I am amazed at how many stories you find that I have never even heard of. These poor souls need to be remembered, especially the slaughtered children. 😢 Excellent work as usual! 👍
Whether you pass or fail a polygraph shouldn't determine whether you're innocent or guilty because there's numerous reasons whether you pass or fail a test and its not entirely accurate which is why they're not allowed to be used as evidence in a court of law
Tell me about it, it's astounding that they're allowed to be utilized at all anymore. I was given one for a job and failed having not lied to a single question. I imagine my having always seriously doubted the authenticity of these tests and anxiety issues had something to do with the results. Both being qualities way too common among the public to factor into results of such a serious test
For some reason, people back in the days looked much older than the kids from today. My grandfather have a picture of himself when he was 13, and it looked like he was in his mid-20s
Apparently, she was trying to be more womanly. The parents were having a hard time with her hanging around grown men, wearing makeup and women's wear rather than clothing for young girls. This is likely why she looks like a grown woman rather than a young girl her age.
CL I love these series of stories that you tie together that all have a common connection. Poor Ms. Helen Tobolski. All she was doing was cleaning at ND and someone ended her life and riffled through her handbag, which most likely didn’t hold much wealth, and yet they shot her dead as if she wasn’t someone’s mother, sister or Aunt. These are all such sad stories but the Burkert and Addison is a crazy case which will most likely remain unsolved, along with Carolyn Wasilewski.
I was thinking the same thing. I immediately Googled Hatcher afterwards out of curiosity and was completely blown away by his story. Dude had already served six separate sentences for robbery, carjacking, and the rapes of two 16 yr old guys by the time he was only 23 years old! By pure luck, his sentences were always either commuted, suspended, or overturned due to some minor technicality despite the fact that he had never once raised any objections or requested an appeal or review (for these earlier convictions.) Then from the late 1960's through the early '80's, during which he committed his most heinous crimes including the kidnapping, torture, rape and murder of several toddlers and young children, he still somehow managed to convince luck to stay on his side, slipping through the cracks and playing the system in addition to THREE successful prison escapes (and another 3 almost successful escapes for which he was apprehended just hours latsr.) Sorry for the lengthy rant, but I'm just shocked beyond belief that this dude's story somehow seems to have evaded our detection. I still don't understand why some stories garner international publicity and loyal "fan" following for decades while others - some a million times more horrific - seem to get thrown to the curb with yesterday's news
I remember the last case of Rose Berkert and Roger Atkinson covered in one of the initial videos of Criminally Listed, ‘5 Unsolved Hotel Mysteries’. It’s always great to have older cases revisited in more depth and with more information shared. Waiting for this channel to cross the 1 Mn milestone soon!🎉
❤❤❤That's awesome that you guys are going to donate money to help unsolved cases. Not knowing who took the life of the people you love is rough mentally and emotionally. I have had 3 people in my life that were unfortunately murdered, all 3 are unsolved. My friend's grandma answered the front door, the person asked to use their phone. When my friend walked to the door with the phone they shot them both killing them instantly. It's been 22 years. One of my other friends from childhood went to get cigarettes one day and never made it back home. It took 3 days with no help from the police before she was found shot. Still unsolved 3 years later.
Over 60 years later, another train engineer would find another body (basically what was left of one anyway), in the same area in NW Baltimore train tracks. The found remains were that of Stobe the Hobo. It was speculated that he was struck and killed by a train , however there was not much evidence to support other wise.
I get goosebumps watching your content! Maybe it’s your voice…and that music? Thank you for making it so interesting! I have to go make sure my doors are locked now! :)
Eating my dinner on this late night watching... interesting stuff.. thanks CL 🍽... that's 1st story is crazy who ever it was got away with it.. smfh. That amazes me
Something tells me a jealous female killed Carolyn - 1st story. Just something about the entire things as well as no s*xual assault tells me this was over another girl angry about her and Paul.
It's actually just human nature. That's always been too hard for people to stomach so they created the concept of the "devil" to fill the void. There's nothing supernatural about it. We're a violent lot. Always have been.
How many 14 year olds do you know actually listen to their parents? She was the oldest of 7. She was their live-in babysitter. She was probably tired of being the second mother of the family and rebelled by hanging out with the "bad" crowd. That doesn't mean she deserved to be murdered.
i worked nights as a cleaner at suny in albany in the downtown academic campus, we'd get weirdo's coming in when the doors were unlocked for events. i had to call cops for a young black guy that was hanging around a bunch of young females at one event, he went into the ladies room. they came & grabbed him up & took him, i saw them wrestling with him outside on the lawn. they come in & steal anything, food from the professors refrigerators, things out of their offices. the security guards weren't much better. we had a couple arrested for stealing from the offices. so many criminals everywhere you turn.
@@sydbbyxoox just for a visual. he left an impression. i can add we had grimy white guys come in too. i apologize if i offended. like saying he was tall or had long hair.
@sydbbyxoox 🤦♀️oh LORD! Why do you have to make it like she was saying it to be offensive or racist?? Grow tf up. If it had been a white man, she would've said, "Some white man....."She is simply describing the individual, like MOST people do! Stop trying to imply people are being racist cause they describe someone. It's human nature. And I can GUARANTEE you've done the same. Don't act like you've never said to ANYONE , "some white man" was doing this or that. OR, "this black man did..." A...B....or C... Stop making everything about racism
Or was it just her doodling on her thigh because she had a crush and that's an area that's hidden so nobody would see it her little secret. We have to think of the age she is and things that girls do at that age. Writing in the notebook about their crushes drawing little hearts with their names in this case sitting at a desk and maybe writing someone's name on your inner thigh because no one else can see it but you it's your little secret think of how old she is
Sometimes to destroy evidence or make confusion but most of the time when they do that is to make them think that the victim was actually committing suicide and they think the train will do enough damage to hide what damage they did
This is what my very first thought was when I heard the first story… I think it was a few girls that jumped her. There was no indication of sa and if on her way there to her friend’s house another gal could have lured her there and a couple girls or three could throw her off the bridge if they worked together. Just my opinion.
@malikb8913 But it seems that he did it for sexual gratification, not out of hate. This girl was his only known female victim. Maybe he took her for a boy for some reason? Or maybe he couldn't find another victim and he was getting desperate? It's hard to say now.
@borostergirl60 I know. 8 figured it was a prop or he only played it for fun. I didn't know until the trial that he wanted to be a musician first. He only moonlighted as an actor... I really wasn't a fan. Lol.
Couple? That woman was nothing but his mistress. I can’t imagine the emotions and thoughts that his wife must have been going through. Not only did she find out her husband was murdered but also that he had a secret life
Carolyn only being 14yrs old just blows my mind!! In no way would my 14 yr old ever be allowed to go around looking like a grown ass woman!! That's just disturbing as far as the parents go and you can't tell me they didn't know about it and couldn't have put a stop to it!! As for the Hatcher guy, everybody who had a hand on his being g released over and over should also be sitting in prison!! Also I'm nit understanding why they only sentenced him to life with parole when he requested the death penalty??!! Wtf is wrong with that picture?! Sou ds to me like he knew if he was released he was going to kill again!! This whole thing is just mind blowing!!!
I’d be surprised if “Paul” written on her leg meant anything. As a former 14 year old girl, that sounds like the kind of nonsensical thing I’d do. Write on myself for no reason.
@allan9603 no, but some ytubers don't read them. Because a lot of people will complain when he changes his music.. like thousands of comments. And he still does it. That hurts his channel if he's reading them.
For a murder that happened over 70 years ago and with no leads to go on this makes it all the more difficult to solve and the perpetrator may well have died years ago so where do you even start with this one
That was decades ago. Try to break the law and claim you are mentally ill in the present. See how that works for you. It doesn't "prove" anything. You people just like to say whatever and think you sound smart or deep lmao
The last one you seemed to have wasted time on someone who the incompetent authorities thought might have committed the crime of the couple at the hotel. Filler of information that has nothing to do with the case.
"Fewer ads for this long video." No! No! No! You still put several short ads on this video! So this is gas lighting! You're trying to make us believe that there are fewer ads, when in reality there are more! It should be either/or. EITHER several short ones OR the longer ones, NOT BOTH. 😡😡
That would be "drapes" your thinking of and not "Drape". Drapes are also known as curtains like you just said, but in this particular context and that particular time period of the early to mid 1950's, a "Drape" was slang for a greaser. Wikipedia has a whole article about this and how greaser of the era had different slang names depending on which region of the US they lived in.
Hey sometimes there is nothing you can do. These girls are gonna do things their own way. The world needs pole dancers too. 🤷♂️ There seems to be no shortage of “free spirits” who want to do things their way. Well, some things just come with the territory.
An amoral adulterer & a homewrecker. If people didn’t cheat, lie or sneak around then maybe they would still be alive today. But hey, it keeps the police employed. 🤷♂️
Oh ok ole Hatcher took himself out. Most people do community service 🐕🦺 as an alternative to incarceration. He got life and finally did everyone a favor and did community service. RIP to all the victims and condolences to all their loved ones. Stay up CL 🫡💪🏾
I am amazed at how many stories you find that I have never even heard of. These poor souls need to be remembered, especially the slaughtered children. 😢
Excellent work as usual! 👍
Criminally Listed for the WIN!
I'll take this over Paul vs Tyson any day of the year!
🙄 Considering that was a one night only event; you don't have to worry about it happening again.
Well yeah? This don't even compete with it though.
The Slap Fight to boost JPs career. Tyson pulled his punches.
I’ll take watching paint dry over that garbage fight lol
I enjoyed it. Dont need to see it again but I am glad I watched. A 58 year old man vs a 27 year old in his prime! Tyson did well.
Thanks for the early access! Been a fan for years!
I've been a fan for years too! This is one of my favorite channels
Same here I've been subscribed for years love this channel
@@celesteuribe4748 Just wish channel owner would respond to these comments.
I just checked my joining date, Sept.14th 2016 wow.. I never miss an episode 😊
No worries 👍
I couldn’t sleep but a new video 😍 thanks 🫶🏼 your voice soothes my overactive brain 😮💨
Same, this is my sleeping sounds 😂
Omg I needed this after such a long day at work..thank you!
Thanks for the awesome upload CL! ❤
Whether you pass or fail a polygraph shouldn't determine whether you're innocent or guilty because there's numerous reasons whether you pass or fail a test and its not entirely accurate which is why they're not allowed to be used as evidence in a court of law
Tell me about it, it's astounding that they're allowed to be utilized at all anymore. I was given one for a job and failed having not lied to a single question. I imagine my having always seriously doubted the authenticity of these tests and anxiety issues had something to do with the results. Both being qualities way too common among the public to factor into results of such a serious test
New Mexico uses polygraph evidence and used in some federal cases
Well they sure use it anyways...
At this point they are considered very unreliable but the cops still use them as an intimidation method.
@@PeachysMomYes, I was about to say that!
Thank you, Robert.
Thanks for this video CL
Carolyn was only 14 but could easily have passed for a decade older judging by her photos
For some reason, people back in the days looked much older than the kids from today. My grandfather have a picture of himself when he was 13, and it looked like he was in his mid-20s
Apparently, she was trying to be more womanly. The parents were having a hard time with her hanging around grown men, wearing makeup and women's wear rather than clothing for young girls. This is likely why she looks like a grown woman rather than a young girl her age.
She really looks much older
Looks like a glamour shot.
@Only-me-baby-fe2ji I remember those
My favorite UA-cam channel of all time 🖤
I look forward to hearing your voice, sir.
CL I love these series of stories that you tie together that all have a common connection. Poor Ms. Helen Tobolski. All she was doing was cleaning at ND and someone ended her life and riffled through her handbag, which most likely didn’t hold much wealth, and yet they shot her dead as if she wasn’t someone’s mother, sister or Aunt. These are all such sad stories but the Burkert and Addison is a crazy case which will most likely remain unsolved, along with Carolyn Wasilewski.
You know CL makes your night 💯🔥too !
Thank you we appreciate your hard work and dedication to these videos !
thank you so much, CL. you’ve been helping me sleep since about 2017. your voice soothes my overactive mind. 🖤
That last one is a doozy. 1 year to life for r-ping a 6 year old, he gets out and does it again. WHAT THE ACTUAL FLUCK!?!
The hatcher part of that last entry could've been a story all on its own.
I was thinking the same thing. I immediately Googled Hatcher afterwards out of curiosity and was completely blown away by his story. Dude had already served six separate sentences for robbery, carjacking, and the rapes of two 16 yr old guys by the time he was only 23 years old! By pure luck, his sentences were always either commuted, suspended, or overturned due to some minor technicality despite the fact that he had never once raised any objections or requested an appeal or review (for these earlier convictions.) Then from the late 1960's through the early '80's, during which he committed his most heinous crimes including the kidnapping, torture, rape and murder of several toddlers and young children, he still somehow managed to convince luck to stay on his side, slipping through the cracks and playing the system in addition to THREE successful prison escapes (and another 3 almost successful escapes for which he was apprehended just hours latsr.)
Sorry for the lengthy rant, but I'm just shocked beyond belief that this dude's story somehow seems to have evaded our detection. I still don't understand why some stories garner international publicity and loyal "fan" following for decades while others - some a million times more horrific - seem to get thrown to the curb with yesterday's news
They couldn't prove Hatcher killed the inmate. Did they save DNA?
I remember the last case of Rose Berkert and Roger Atkinson covered in one of the initial videos of Criminally Listed, ‘5 Unsolved Hotel Mysteries’. It’s always great to have older cases revisited in more depth and with more information shared. Waiting for this channel to cross the 1 Mn milestone soon!🎉
❤❤❤That's awesome that you guys are going to donate money to help unsolved cases. Not knowing who took the life of the people you love is rough mentally and emotionally.
I have had 3 people in my life that were unfortunately murdered, all 3 are unsolved. My friend's grandma answered the front door, the person asked to use their phone. When my friend walked to the door with the phone they shot them both killing them instantly. It's been 22 years.
One of my other friends from childhood went to get cigarettes one day and never made it back home. It took 3 days with no help from the police before she was found shot. Still unsolved 3 years later.
Thank you
Thanks for another great episode! I can't imagine the work that you put into investigating all these cases.
Yess! A new CL episode!! Thanks CL!!!
CL should cover the incident that inspired 'Rivers Edge'
Marcy Conrad, Milpitas California 1981. 💔
Pretty clear that the bartender was the killer in the last one right?
Exactly, too much of a coincidence that he suddenly took off and joined the military. Why couldn’t they still track him down and question him ?
Thats what i think too!
Over 60 years later, another train engineer would find another body (basically what was left of one anyway), in the same area in NW Baltimore train tracks.
The found remains were that of Stobe the Hobo. It was speculated that he was struck and killed by a train , however there was not much evidence to support other wise.
I get goosebumps watching your content! Maybe it’s your voice…and that music? Thank you for making it so interesting! I have to go make sure my doors are locked now! :)
PERFECT TIMING ♥️🙏
My favorite!
Thank you for posting right before bedtime 🙏
I can listen to your voice all day long so soothing,please keep these videos coming🤩
Blessings criminally listed
Last case, obv the ex boyfriend. Dude killed her dog
Real ones will know that the last case was featured in the unsolved hotel mysteries video
❤ this channel
Eating my dinner on this late night watching... interesting stuff.. thanks CL 🍽... that's 1st story is crazy who ever it was got away with it.. smfh. That amazes me
It seems to me that Carolyn’s parents should have been investigated for her murder.
Something tells me a jealous female killed Carolyn - 1st story. Just something about the entire things as well as no s*xual assault tells me this was over another girl angry about her and Paul.
Women can be evil and do it sneaky.
I wonder if Paul had an ex girlfriend who he broke up with for Carolyn or a girl who fancied him
Oh I didn’t know they had ruled out SA. I didn’t hear that part.
24:00 You may not believe in God, but surely we can all agree, the devil is alive and well in men and women like this .
It's actually just human nature. That's always been too hard for people to stomach so they created the concept of the "devil" to fill the void.
There's nothing supernatural about it. We're a violent lot. Always have been.
Hello from St Joseph,Missouri I was familiar with the Atkinson case Such a strange unsolved mystery
Great episode.Hopefully these cases will be solved one day soon
Carolyn shoulda listened to her parents. Last guy was a real sleaze bag. Zero sympathy. Damn, how many times were they gonna keep releasing Hatcher?!
She was 14, and you have no sympathy at all? What is it like being a giant piece of shit? Rethink your life.
How many 14 year olds do you know actually listen to their parents? She was the oldest of 7. She was their live-in babysitter. She was probably tired of being the second mother of the family and rebelled by hanging out with the "bad" crowd. That doesn't mean she deserved to be murdered.
@@maevependragon Of course she didn't deserve to be murdered. But she'd be alive if she'd listened to her parents. So my statement was 100% accurate.
Thank you Paul 🙏
Nice picture of Rita Tushingham
Love the written clues series.
i worked nights as a cleaner at suny in albany in the downtown academic campus, we'd get weirdo's coming in when the doors were unlocked for events. i had to call cops for a young black guy that was hanging around a bunch of young females at one event, he went into the ladies room. they came & grabbed him up & took him, i saw them wrestling with him outside on the lawn. they come in & steal anything, food from the professors refrigerators, things out of their offices. the security guards weren't much better. we had a couple arrested for stealing from the offices. so many criminals everywhere you turn.
What part of this story requires you to disclose this man’s race? What relevance does it serve your story? None.
@@sydbbyxoox just for a visual. he left an impression. i can add we had grimy white guys come in too. i apologize if i offended. like saying he was tall or had long hair.
@sydbbyxoox 🤦♀️oh LORD! Why do you have to make it like she was saying it to be offensive or racist?? Grow tf up. If it had been a white man, she would've said, "Some white man....."She is simply describing the individual, like MOST people do!
Stop trying to imply people are being racist cause they describe someone. It's human nature. And I can GUARANTEE you've done the same. Don't act like you've never said to ANYONE , "some white man" was doing this or that. OR, "this black man did..." A...B....or C...
Stop making everything about racism
The third story (Iowa hotel slaying) is covered in depth on the show The DNA of Murder with Paul Holes.
Or was it just her doodling on her thigh because she had a crush and that's an area that's hidden so nobody would see it her little secret. We have to think of the age she is and things that girls do at that age. Writing in the notebook about their crushes drawing little hearts with their names in this case sitting at a desk and maybe writing someone's name on your inner thigh because no one else can see it but you it's your little secret think of how old she is
The second case, could the date “I died” be the date someone was fired from there?
Sometimes to destroy evidence or make confusion but most of the time when they do that is to make them think that the victim was actually committing suicide and they think the train will do enough damage to hide what damage they did
Damn, 14 going on 28!
This is what my very first thought was when I heard the first story… I think it was a few girls that jumped her. There was no indication of sa and if on her way there to her friend’s house another gal could have lured her there and a couple girls or three could throw her off the bridge if they worked together. Just my opinion.
That's a very interesting theory! Could definitely be true
Thanks
Thank you CL🙏🏼💔🕊️🇨🇦🇺🇸
Hatcher was very obviously a homosexual. It is very strange that he would kill a female.
And he did not confess to it.
A lot of gay men dislike/hate women believe or not. As a gay man myself, I’ll never understand it
@malikb8913 But it seems that he did it for sexual gratification, not out of hate. This girl was his only known female victim. Maybe he took her for a boy for some reason? Or maybe he couldn't find another victim and he was getting desperate? It's hard to say now.
I LOVE that movie "Crybaby". What a cult classic!!! 💜😍💜
Johnny Depp was a pretty baby back then.
Me too! When I heard him say " The Drapes"?;1st thing I thought was" Cry baby?" Lol
@@Only-me-baby-fe2jilove the Sauvage commercial. I didn't know he was a serious guitar player. He's joined Marilyn Manson and recorded.
@borostergirl60 I know. 8 figured it was a prop or he only played it for fun. I didn't know until the trial that he wanted to be a musician first. He only moonlighted as an actor... I really wasn't a fan. Lol.
@@Only-me-baby-fe2ji that's ok. Everyone likes different things/actors.
Couple? That woman was nothing but his mistress. I can’t imagine the emotions and thoughts that his wife must have been going through. Not only did she find out her husband was murdered but also that he had a secret life
Thanks for the upload!
"Shortened their last names to Wells." Right. Not like us.
Carolyn only being 14yrs old just blows my mind!! In no way would my 14 yr old ever be allowed to go around looking like a grown ass woman!! That's just disturbing as far as the parents go and you can't tell me they didn't know about it and couldn't have put a stop to it!!
As for the Hatcher guy, everybody who had a hand on his being g released over and over should also be sitting in prison!! Also I'm nit understanding why they only sentenced him to life with parole when he requested the death penalty??!! Wtf is wrong with that picture?! Sou ds to me like he knew if he was released he was going to kill again!! This whole thing is just mind blowing!!!
Does anyone notice eerie similarities between the Rose Burket and Roger Atkinson case with the movie Photo Booth?
I’d be surprised if “Paul” written on her leg meant anything. As a former 14 year old girl, that sounds like the kind of nonsensical thing I’d do. Write on myself for no reason.
The Toothpaste Serial Killer! How bizarre!
He chose those hotels off the interstate so he can get on the move quick
Great work! Keep goin! True Crime needs always, hehe, fresh Blood;)
Does the channel owner ever respond to these comments and questions?
Only on his other channel P.L.
have l ever seen a reply.
No. He doesn't even read them either.
@@MM-ig1iv Has he ever gave a reason?
@allan9603 no, but some ytubers don't read them. Because a lot of people will complain when he changes his music.. like thousands of comments. And he still does it. That hurts his channel if he's reading them.
@allan9603 I think some of them think there too good to talk to us..
You need to do sleep stories becaise this has been my go to voice since he DIDNT speed up the sound by 2x...
For a murder that happened over 70 years ago and with no leads to go on this makes it all the more difficult to solve and the perpetrator may well have died years ago so where do you even start with this one
❤🎉The timestamps are on time! ^_^❤🎉
To be 14 she looks alot older
Dude, that toothpaste detail . . . 😬🤢🤮 ‼️
It just proves anyone can claim to be mentally ill to get a lighter sentence which is ridiculous really
That was decades ago. Try to break the law and claim you are mentally ill in the present. See how that works for you. It doesn't "prove" anything. You people just like to say whatever and think you sound smart or deep lmao
Not anymore. Psychiatry has come a long way and the legal test for insanity is much stricter.
I dont think the date was wrong, I think something happened to the killer on that day that led to the killing
I want to be in one of your videos 😊
Re: Helen Tobolski's murder. Test the chalk for dna.
Wait why would she leave n go to a registration and a dance with rollers in her hair
Hairhoppers … leave those rollers in til the last possible minute!❤😂
14 that chick looked 44!!!
😂exactly! Like TF?!
The last one you seemed to have wasted time on someone who the incompetent authorities thought might have committed the crime of the couple at the hotel. Filler of information that has nothing to do with the case.
Yeah I would say you guys most definitely would have the same killer on those two cases
someone knew he was cheating on his wife. being a church man and doing that would have been a huge sin back then
New vid!!!
This reminds me of that song: Why do good girls like bad boys...🎵
Damn Carolyn looked old for her age, make-up aside even
So "Crybaby" was a Documentary. 😂
Drapes and....?
Aaargghhh! Can't remember. 😅
doomdoom deyuuuuiiuuuuhhh
Noice
you got to get rid of that high pitch sound it interupts the story annoying
"Fewer ads for this long video."
No! No! No!
You still put several short ads on this video! So this is gas lighting!
You're trying to make us believe that there are fewer ads, when in reality there are more! It should be either/or. EITHER several short ones OR the longer ones, NOT BOTH. 😡😡
Ok wtf is a drape
curtains
As explained in the video, "drape" was a term for a "greaser," which might also been known as a "biker" or "rocker."
That would be "drapes" your thinking of and not "Drape". Drapes are also known as curtains like you just said, but in this particular context and that particular time period of the early to mid 1950's, a "Drape" was slang for a greaser. Wikipedia has a whole article about this and how greaser of the era had different slang names depending on which region of the US they lived in.
It was a gang that hung around a lot in windows. 😁
Isn't it a gang?
Hey sometimes there is nothing you can do. These girls are gonna do things their own way.
The world needs pole dancers too. 🤷♂️
There seems to be no shortage of “free spirits” who want to do things their way.
Well, some things just come with the territory.
Second
An amoral adulterer & a homewrecker.
If people didn’t cheat, lie or sneak around then maybe they would still be alive today.
But hey, it keeps the police employed. 🤷♂️
Wow. Seek help.
Monotone garbage 🚮
There's fluctuation there. Maybe it's his cadence. I like his voice and the music together.
Oh ok ole Hatcher took himself out. Most people do community service 🐕🦺 as an alternative to incarceration. He got life and finally did everyone a favor and did community service. RIP to all the victims and condolences to all their loved ones. Stay up CL 🫡💪🏾
Here and happy to see an upload!