@@BeefIngot Because they are calling this an X1C clone. Obviously it isn't an A1 Mini clone. Do you even think about context? The A1 Mini is a Prusa Mini clone BTW. Launched in 2019. Just to be extra clear, that's half joke because obviously there were cantilever printers like the Prusa Mini even before that. Funny they even used the same name though, eh?
@@802Garage Even for their space they aren't 2 to 3 x the price unless you only consider the X series. As for your "half hearted" joke, you are willing to change what is or isn't significantly similar in your opinion arbitrarily to support your preconceived views. This has a very somewhat similar build and gets efficiencies by being so. A prusa mini is completely different in build/construction.
@@BeefIngot I think the A1 Mini is one of the best values in 3D printing today. Great printer. Still a clone by the standards of anyone calling this Elegoo printer a clone. Everyone in the comments is calling this an X1C clone, which is why I was comparing that price. Given this will likely be $499 or possibly even $399, yes the X1C is absolutely 2-3X the price. You can come back and correct me if I was wrong when the price is announced. The whole point of my half joke was that it should not be taken super seriously just as nobody should be for calling this a Bambu Lab clone. Why don't people complain in every comment section about the A1 and A1 Mini being clones? They are, of course, by these standards. The A1 Mini is every bit as much a Prusa Mini clone as this Elegoo is a Bambu Lab clone. Down to using the same naming. Not to mention of course you obviously missed the point that there are many, many other cantilever style printers with the same construction that came before the A1 Mini.
So many similarities that Elegoo seems to be deliberately marketing this as a Bambu clone. For those who want a less expensive Bambu Lab X1C without the lousy intellectual property issues and Bambu Lab print server (all your designs are belong to us), it looks like Elegoo is the ticket. They seemed to have nailed the user interface. I hope they open source the entire product.
See now this is a "clone" angle I can agree with. That's the whole point! Hahaha. People act like a cheaper printer that can do most of the same stuff is a bad thing. Wild.
@@802Garage - Humans are tribal, and while most of us have our own preferred brands, that seems particularly true of the Bambu tribe. There seems to be a religious aspect to many of the online Bambu comments.
They know how to easily make Core XY printers because its a proven design, so yeah it doesn't take much time or effort to develop their own copies, just takes new tooling to make the parts like the frames and such. But innovation? THAT takes time. Notice how most have also jumped on the AMS bandwagon too? I still would like to see some innovation in terms of printers that are designed around the notion of slight non-planar printing, so like top surfaces could potentially be smoother. Its something that can be done when you tinker with some printers and its not foolproof. But imagine a machine designed from the ground up to be capable of that out of the box with not only a hotend that has good clearance for non-planar printing (maybe a hotend that can angle itself if necessary?) and would need VERY good software that could be able to really tackle that sort of thing. Or, like what Prusa does with their hot-end swapping for multicolor printing, but just way, WAY less expensive than that monster.
They havent combined the filament runout sensor with the extruder, its an old blade switch type like every bedslinger clone, most of these companies spend time and money skinning an old slicer version and then they have to devote resources to upgrading it and maintaining it, It would be much better to just recommend Orca and create a decent profile for it.
They are not direct copies. Each one does something slightly different. They may be Core XY printers and they may look similar to the X1C in some cases, but they are different in detail. The extruder is different, the nozzle is different, in some cases they use just two threaded rods that are driven separately instead of three threaded rods that are driven by one motor. And even if you built a printer that was identical to the X1C, it would take time to get it into production. You need injection moulds for the plastic parts. You need moulds for the aluminium parts, and for the rest you need to find suppliers and negotiate contracts. Bambu Lab did not cobble together the X1C in 6 months, although they had the Voron project and existing Core XY printers, e.g. from Raise3D or Ultimaker, as blueprints. It took them 18 months and they were able to develop behind closed doors because nobody knew they even existed.
Even the bed plate is a Bambu knock off. At least other companies are adding an AMS with a built in filament dryer. Do appreciate being able to get an X1C like machine for less money, we need competition.
Yeah Qidi Tech even had the X-CF Pro before Bambu Lab existed. Companies always copying, ya know? It was even an enclosed, core XY, multiple lead screw, steel frame printer. Hmmm.
This rhetoric is far more tiresome than any new clone. Bambu Lab did not invent the enclosed Core XY printer. They are a clone as well. What matters is the quality of the machine, how well it prints, and the price.
@802Garage statement "the bambu is a clone itself" is just like "this car is a clone of another car cause it got four wheels and one steering wheel". In reality the situation has many newonces: bambu added a number of innovations making it superior to many existing core-xy printers before. This makes X1C not just a clone. But thoose new elegoo machine along with k1 series of machines from creality - got allmost no innovations over bambu's product, while the whole set of features very closely matches with not just some random core-xy printer, but with X1C from bambu. This defines a clone.
@@shurmurray "this car is a clone of another car cause it got four wheels and one steering wheel" Yes exactly. The Bambu X1C DID have some new features, but almost all of the features people claim make the machines from other companies "clones" are the equivalent of four wheels or a steering wheel. That's exactly it! Also it's spelled nuances. Bambu added a very few innovations, primarily automatic tuning and not much else. Otherwise they just gathered a lot of features that already existed into a single package that worked well and then sold it for a high price. This Elegoo isn't even copying the few features that made Bambu Lab unique, so how can it be a clone? That's exactly my point. I completely agree this machine is not innovative. Not was the K1 series, and they were also not great quality. It's just extremely pointless and unhelpful rhetoric that completely ignores the history of 3D printing and every industry. The whole feature set matches EVERY core XY printer on the market. The X1C had as many features in common with the X-CF Pro as this has in common with the X1C, yet people didn't constantly call it a clone. The A1 is a Creality Ender 3 and the A1 Mini is a Prusa Mini. Did people complain in every comment section about them being clones? No. It's ridiculous and pointless and I'm tired of pretending we shouldn't be tired of it. What matters is: Does the printer perform well and how much does it cost?
Its good to see an enclosed printer with the spool on the side, I would liked to have seen the filament detection combined with the extruder though, it would have been nice to have access to the power switch on the front or side. Also I noticed the side panels were not flush to the frame edges, I guess that have time to fix this though, after all this is a Beta version.
@@AndrewAHayes I feel the people who want power switches anywhere but on the back and to a lesser extent side mounted spools are a very vocal minority that wants the opposite of what most people want. I want the spool holder to be either the AMS or be at the back. I definitely do not want the power switch on the front or sides. I leave my printers on constantky ready for a job. There isn't any point in having the switch be so accessible, only downsides for the vast majority of people.
Now thats competitive. K1 look, Elegoos touch and it looks to be smaller than a P1 frame yet same build volume. I'd love to have a farm of these if they hold up!
This is very interesting and I intend to keep an eye on how it performs. But I the ~220mm-squared market is already jammed. What we're looking for is 300mm+ core x/y machines.
for the love of GOD ditch the custom klipper. installing any mods on the Neptune 4 is a complete hassle and its not even like the printer gets any updates to justify a brand specific klipper flavour
I much prefer standard Klipper to hacked and reskinned Klipper, but I use the Fluidd interface in a web browser to manage almost all aspects of my Neptune 4 Pro.
It's funny that peoples are outraged because a chinese company made something similar toother chinese company that didn't discover that but took inspiration form other printers. People core XY printer is not bambu lab invention, they just made good production version of it and sold it.
It's interesting you can't deny that Bambulab innovated with user experience but want to pretend they didn't innovate with anything. No one is pretending Bambulab invented Corexy so it's weird that's constantly the line trotted out.
@@BeefIngot With user expierience? So now you will say that every CoreXY Printer that just works out of the box is copy of Bambu innovation? There was no CoreXY printer that worked out of the box before Bambu? What other innovation? Klipper? Klipper Variation in Elego has nothing to do with Bambu discoveries. What else?
@@EpicTimeV7 The majority of this doesn't appear reasonable. Firstly, you start with the wild accusation that I would call every easy to use printer a clone. I have done nothing remotely close to that. Secondly, Bambulab indeed was the first in the class of "it just works" for Corexy printers. Everything else was janky and mediocre at the time. If you feel the ender 7 counts I don't know what to tell you. Thirdly, I have literally no idea what you are talking about with klipper here.
@@EpicTimeV7 It seems you are doing everything to not read what I write and substitute it with a position and argument I never stated. This is obviously aiming to copy the success of Bambulab but I never called it a clone, nor do I think it is. They clearly copy the bed size which is just convenient for their users because Bambulab printers are so popular, the motion system is pretty much the same, and the build is similar though the casting is different and probably an improvement. As for Bambu innovations the very idea of a small computer case like heavily automated build was new, the various sensor options and user experience benefits were new (like their peizo auto z offset implementation, the AMS being smaller and more space efficient than previous systems, the first layer scanning, auto tuning, software driven stepper controllers and more). So the idea they didn't innovate is wildly inaccurate. The lesson for you is, don't get lost in a blind rage where you assume someone else's opinion despite them not stating what you think they think at all.
You mentioned the Elegoo Orangestorm Giga. Did you ever get the improvements done on that to get it working? I don't remember seeing a final video on that.
The real question is will they support it like Bambu? Have only had my Bambu 3 months, and already 3 strong updates for slicer improvement and new filament settings. Except Prusa, none of the clones are nowhere near the customer experience of Bambu. That being said, I wish Elegoo all the best w their new printer. Competition drives improvement and lowers cost. Everyone benefits.
Can someone explain why people are so protective of Bambu labs? a lot of businesses follow trends and imitate what works and in many cases people get to use technology at a cheaper price because of this imitation, I have multiple brands of printers Bambu being one of them, buy the brand you can afford and just enjoy it.
Bambu Lab is currently the fastest growing internet religion. If you don't affirm that Bambu is the only path to salvation, you are a heretic and you will be cast out and torn asunder by the Bambu acolytes. Don't try to reason with them. Logic and facts have no place here. Their beliefs are faith based.
I understand where you’re coming from and that is fine. I enjoy my P1S. The reason I will not buy this machine is because it is a knock off and it is not a P1S or X1C. Nothing towards Elegoo because I do like Elegoo but they really should have made something different imo or at least tried something different to at least separate themselves from BL. To each their own but I personally would not buy this machine.
I’ll wait for the replacement “pro” upgrade 3 months after this unit is released. I guess the one good thing is BL has reset the bar for what’s considered a decent budget printer.
You mean QIDI for budget printers: the X smart I got for black friday was 190e and max speed is 600mm/s, the Q1 Pro is half price the P1S and it has an heated chamber.
Why buy this when the Bambu has been out for this long, tested and proven. Unless this is cheaper by far, then I don't see the point of its existence at all to be honest.
I bet they make good money from this. Make what people already know but make it super cheap and your overhead from r&d is essentially non-existent. It’s the same X1 clone we’ve seen these past couple years.
Are you kidding? PIE spring steel plates existed long before Bambu Lab even existed. As far as I know Prusa introduced them with the MK2 in 2016 and Wam Bam offered them for all kinds of printers. And since many of the printers were clones of the Ender 3, they had the same build volume.
@@802Garage Invent what exactly? If you're talking about the advent of space efficient welded steel chassis Corexys without bulky plastic exteriors they certainly popularized that. Then, there is the auto z offset which they were one of the first to use. Creality tried first, but that system was renowned for issues.
The last 10 years were that of i3 clones. The next 10 years will be the era of X1 carbon. Not necessarily the worst thing that could have happened unless it shifts the whole industry to closed source.
When people demand that companies should be innovative, I always ask myself what they expect? For example, should a car manufacturer suddenly develop a flying car because all the other cars are driving on the road? Bambu Lab itself was not as innovative as many people think. Most of what you find in the X1C already existed in the community before. They themselves say that they used many projects from the Voron community as ‘inspiration’.
@@andreas.grundler inductive heated hotend, temperature/layer time calibration using infrared camera, faster and more reliable multi material system (maybe ams lite iteration with IDEX added), auto flow rate calibration using eddie currents like A1 hotends, 'brick layers' in slicer, variable temprature in slicer, multi axis printers for better overhangs/strength of prints, non planar printing. There are plenty of things that i've had not hear about and are waiting in line to be introduced in 3d printers. Most of the companies were woken up by bambu with quality, and now they are trying to beat bambu with price - but loss in quality/durability is usually unacceptable.
@@anonim1133 The features all sound great, but a company has to present a product that they can sell. At $1500, the X1C is already at the upper limit of what most hobbyists are willing to spend. Plasmics sells for example a inductive hotend for 476€. That is more expensive than a lot of printers on the market. It is really impressiv but I doubt they will sell a lot of units. There is a reason why Bambu Lab released the P1P/S. The X1C is the flagship but I bet they sell a lot more P1 and A1 printers.
Just shows how little innovation there is in Chinese companies. Bambulabs being the exception. Look at all these clones. Before this they all just made ender 3 clones.
My Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro was a constant headache. Its still already but... yeah. Since buying a Bambu Lab P1S I haven't touched it. Even if I wanted it printing side projects the babysitting it requires wouldn't be worth it. So... yeah... not buying anything from Elegoo but the occasional cheap roll of filament.
The design looks an awful lot like my infimech tx . I did not catch the build volume and they way they are not sharing the price I am thinking it is going to be in the PS1 range/!?1? maybe.. I aonly paid 350 for the infimech with upgrades and it has been a workhorse!
Saying the X1 was nothing new is crazy. Why are people so reluctant to admit it when a Chinese company innovates So much of the auto tuning and sensor stuff is new to printers, yet all I see is people saying they didn't invent Corexy as if anyone said they did.
@@BeefIngot I have no issue with Chinese companies! Elegoo is one! What was new? Exactly like you said, auto tuning. "Sensor stuff" is not an actual feature I can compare. The basic structure and design of the printer was not innovation. People are calling this a clone based on styling. That's my issue. This Elegoo doesn't even have the auto tuning, so if that was Bambu Lab's innovation, and this printer doesn't even use it, how is it a clone? You're making my point. No hate, but you're pointing out exactly what I'm talking about. Most people calling it a clone, or any other printer, either think Bambu Lab did invent the basic structure and mechanics because they don't know anything about 3D printing history, or they are talking about styling and have only skin deep criticism. What matters is how well the printer performs and what it costs.
@@802Garage I'm not helping your point at all. You said the X1 was nothing new when it came out and that was demonstrably false. Peizos for auto z offset, first layer scanning auto flow and pressure advance calibration were all brand new features. The AMS was also new and so was the form factor for a mass produced printer where previous manufacturer methods involved a lot of bulky plastic or aluminium extrusion. The core of the point that I disproved and disagreed with was that the X1C did nothing different.
@@BeefIngot I will totally concede "wasn't actually anything new" was not the correct language to use. I was speaking of the printer overall and in context of what most commenters mean when they say "clone" not trying to say there were zero new things that came with the printer. I agree Bambu Lab has innovated and I appreciate what they have done for the industry. I don't hate their printers. I do hate extremely tired and lazy rhetoric which helps nobody and changes nothing. Everyone in the comments parroting the same line about this being a clone is not talking about automatic calibration or even multi-color. They are talking about styling or incorrectly about printer mechanics and it drives me bonkers. That's all. As addressed in the other comment thread though, they also didn't come up with the piezo force sensor use. The AMS was new in its form, but they were not the first to do multi color either. I agree with you it is incorrect to say the X1C did nothing different, but as you have done and as so many do, people give Bambu Lab credit for inventing/innovating/creating features they didn't. Their main complaint for most enclosed core XY printers that come out now being clones is simply that they look like a Bambu Lab printer and to me that's pointless and silly. Often it's not even accurate.
Sooo a bambu printer with Mike Tyson's face tattoo... interesting...
If it was a Bambu Lab printer it would be 2-3X the price, so the tattoo must be a discount tag.
@@802Garage Where does this idea OF Bambulab being expensive come from when the A1 Mini is literally 180 right now.
@@BeefIngot Because they are calling this an X1C clone. Obviously it isn't an A1 Mini clone. Do you even think about context? The A1 Mini is a Prusa Mini clone BTW. Launched in 2019. Just to be extra clear, that's half joke because obviously there were cantilever printers like the Prusa Mini even before that. Funny they even used the same name though, eh?
@@802Garage Even for their space they aren't 2 to 3 x the price unless you only consider the X series.
As for your "half hearted" joke, you are willing to change what is or isn't significantly similar in your opinion arbitrarily to support your preconceived views.
This has a very somewhat similar build and gets efficiencies by being so. A prusa mini is completely different in build/construction.
@@BeefIngot I think the A1 Mini is one of the best values in 3D printing today. Great printer. Still a clone by the standards of anyone calling this Elegoo printer a clone. Everyone in the comments is calling this an X1C clone, which is why I was comparing that price. Given this will likely be $499 or possibly even $399, yes the X1C is absolutely 2-3X the price. You can come back and correct me if I was wrong when the price is announced. The whole point of my half joke was that it should not be taken super seriously just as nobody should be for calling this a Bambu Lab clone. Why don't people complain in every comment section about the A1 and A1 Mini being clones? They are, of course, by these standards. The A1 Mini is every bit as much a Prusa Mini clone as this Elegoo is a Bambu Lab clone. Down to using the same naming. Not to mention of course you obviously missed the point that there are many, many other cantilever style printers with the same construction that came before the A1 Mini.
if it's cheaper than the P1S or X1C, i bet it would sell very well.
I'd be surprised if it isn't much cheaper. Elegoo machines tend to be.
Itll be interesting to see if they can get it under £500
No multimaterial option shown here though... A better comparison would be the K1
So many similarities that Elegoo seems to be deliberately marketing this as a Bambu clone. For those who want a less expensive Bambu Lab X1C without the lousy intellectual property issues and Bambu Lab print server (all your designs are belong to us), it looks like Elegoo is the ticket. They seemed to have nailed the user interface. I hope they open source the entire product.
See now this is a "clone" angle I can agree with. That's the whole point! Hahaha. People act like a cheaper printer that can do most of the same stuff is a bad thing. Wild.
@@802Garage - Humans are tribal, and while most of us have our own preferred brands, that seems particularly true of the Bambu tribe. There seems to be a religious aspect to many of the online Bambu comments.
I really don't get how it takes these companies two years to just make a knock-off X1C, with no additions or innovations whatsoever....
not even that
feels like a knock-off k1
the only thing that matters is if it can do the same but cheaper
They know how to easily make Core XY printers because its a proven design, so yeah it doesn't take much time or effort to develop their own copies, just takes new tooling to make the parts like the frames and such. But innovation? THAT takes time. Notice how most have also jumped on the AMS bandwagon too?
I still would like to see some innovation in terms of printers that are designed around the notion of slight non-planar printing, so like top surfaces could potentially be smoother. Its something that can be done when you tinker with some printers and its not foolproof. But imagine a machine designed from the ground up to be capable of that out of the box with not only a hotend that has good clearance for non-planar printing (maybe a hotend that can angle itself if necessary?) and would need VERY good software that could be able to really tackle that sort of thing.
Or, like what Prusa does with their hot-end swapping for multicolor printing, but just way, WAY less expensive than that monster.
They havent combined the filament runout sensor with the extruder, its an old blade switch type like every bedslinger clone, most of these companies spend time and money skinning an old slicer version and then they have to devote resources to upgrading it and maintaining it, It would be much better to just recommend Orca and create a decent profile for it.
They are not direct copies. Each one does something slightly different. They may be Core XY printers and they may look similar to the X1C in some cases, but they are different in detail. The extruder is different, the nozzle is different, in some cases they use just two threaded rods that are driven separately instead of three threaded rods that are driven by one motor.
And even if you built a printer that was identical to the X1C, it would take time to get it into production. You need injection moulds for the plastic parts. You need moulds for the aluminium parts, and for the rest you need to find suppliers and negotiate contracts.
Bambu Lab did not cobble together the X1C in 6 months, although they had the Voron project and existing Core XY printers, e.g. from Raise3D or Ultimaker, as blueprints. It took them 18 months and they were able to develop behind closed doors because nobody knew they even existed.
Even the bed plate is a Bambu knock off. At least other companies are adding an AMS with a built in filament dryer.
Do appreciate being able to get an X1C like machine for less money, we need competition.
Joel looks so cringe just sitting there listening to the lady ramble on like they've innovated, definitely a paid video.
holy crap they just moved the dang screen and relabeled everything it looks lol. its too much alike its a mix of the x1 and p1
@@anthonystownsend It's conference floor coverage... Not a review. Highly, highly doubt this was paid.
Just buy a Voron Kit
Did you ask why not a 300x300x300 + print size?
Cost and market demand.
@@stevendunn264 because... bambu
The "Carbon" name is everywhere these days
i remember those days (4 years ago) when the only "X1 Carbon" i knew was the Lenovo laptop my employer gave me for work.
Yeah Qidi Tech even had the X-CF Pro before Bambu Lab existed. Companies always copying, ya know? It was even an enclosed, core XY, multiple lead screw, steel frame printer. Hmmm.
By Carbon I guess they mean Carbon Copy as opposed to an improvement to the competition.
Centauri Carbon Let's GOO!!!
Left me with an impression - they are a bit late with yet another bambu clone :)
This rhetoric is far more tiresome than any new clone. Bambu Lab did not invent the enclosed Core XY printer. They are a clone as well. What matters is the quality of the machine, how well it prints, and the price.
@802Garage this is not just generic enclosed core-xy. This replicates one very specific product.
@@shurmurray And?
@802Garage statement "the bambu is a clone itself" is just like "this car is a clone of another car cause it got four wheels and one steering wheel".
In reality the situation has many newonces: bambu added a number of innovations making it superior to many existing core-xy printers before. This makes X1C not just a clone.
But thoose new elegoo machine along with k1 series of machines from creality - got allmost no innovations over bambu's product, while the whole set of features very closely matches with not just some random core-xy printer, but with X1C from bambu. This defines a clone.
@@shurmurray "this car is a clone of another car cause it got four wheels and one steering wheel" Yes exactly. The Bambu X1C DID have some new features, but almost all of the features people claim make the machines from other companies "clones" are the equivalent of four wheels or a steering wheel. That's exactly it! Also it's spelled nuances. Bambu added a very few innovations, primarily automatic tuning and not much else. Otherwise they just gathered a lot of features that already existed into a single package that worked well and then sold it for a high price. This Elegoo isn't even copying the few features that made Bambu Lab unique, so how can it be a clone? That's exactly my point. I completely agree this machine is not innovative. Not was the K1 series, and they were also not great quality. It's just extremely pointless and unhelpful rhetoric that completely ignores the history of 3D printing and every industry. The whole feature set matches EVERY core XY printer on the market. The X1C had as many features in common with the X-CF Pro as this has in common with the X1C, yet people didn't constantly call it a clone. The A1 is a Creality Ender 3 and the A1 Mini is a Prusa Mini. Did people complain in every comment section about them being clones? No. It's ridiculous and pointless and I'm tired of pretending we shouldn't be tired of it. What matters is: Does the printer perform well and how much does it cost?
Its good to see an enclosed printer with the spool on the side, I would liked to have seen the filament detection combined with the extruder though, it would have been nice to have access to the power switch on the front or side.
Also I noticed the side panels were not flush to the frame edges, I guess that have time to fix this though, after all this is a Beta version.
@@AndrewAHayes I feel the people who want power switches anywhere but on the back and to a lesser extent side mounted spools are a very vocal minority that wants the opposite of what most people want.
I want the spool holder to be either the AMS or be at the back. I definitely do not want the power switch on the front or sides.
I leave my printers on constantky ready for a job. There isn't any point in having the switch be so accessible, only downsides for the vast majority of people.
Now thats competitive. K1 look, Elegoos touch and it looks to be smaller than a P1 frame yet same build volume. I'd love to have a farm of these if they hold up!
Nice! Will release just in time for the tariffs to hit the US!
This is very interesting and I intend to keep an eye on how it performs. But I the ~220mm-squared market is already jammed. What we're looking for is 300mm+ core x/y machines.
I just bought an SV08. I wanted coreXY, but I also wanted the larger 300x300 build plate. Open source was icing on the cake.
How about bed temps or chamber temps. Is suitable for ABS ASA etc… And please skip special UI, vanilla Klipper and screen is more than enough
To be honest, it needs to come at the price point of the flash forge 5m pro
for the love of GOD ditch the custom klipper.
installing any mods on the Neptune 4 is a complete hassle and its not even like the printer gets any updates to justify a brand specific klipper flavour
I much prefer standard Klipper to hacked and reskinned Klipper, but I use the Fluidd interface in a web browser to manage almost all aspects of my Neptune 4 Pro.
They don't even have a cloud integration to push, they could have used Klipperscreen with vanilla Klipper and make the users happy.
It's funny that peoples are outraged because a chinese company made something similar toother chinese company that didn't discover that but took inspiration form other printers. People core XY printer is not bambu lab invention, they just made good production version of it and sold it.
It's interesting you can't deny that Bambulab innovated with user experience but want to pretend they didn't innovate with anything.
No one is pretending Bambulab invented Corexy so it's weird that's constantly the line trotted out.
@@BeefIngot With user expierience? So now you will say that every CoreXY Printer that just works out of the box is copy of Bambu innovation? There was no CoreXY printer that worked out of the box before Bambu? What other innovation? Klipper? Klipper Variation in Elego has nothing to do with Bambu discoveries. What else?
@@EpicTimeV7 The majority of this doesn't appear reasonable.
Firstly, you start with the wild accusation that I would call every easy to use printer a clone. I have done nothing remotely close to that.
Secondly, Bambulab indeed was the first in the class of "it just works" for Corexy printers. Everything else was janky and mediocre at the time. If you feel the ender 7 counts I don't know what to tell you.
Thirdly, I have literally no idea what you are talking about with klipper here.
@@BeefIngot So what reasonable is in your comment here? What is bambu lab innovation and what was cloned? List it.
@@EpicTimeV7 It seems you are doing everything to not read what I write and substitute it with a position and argument I never stated.
This is obviously aiming to copy the success of Bambulab but I never called it a clone, nor do I think it is.
They clearly copy the bed size which is just convenient for their users because Bambulab printers are so popular, the motion system is pretty much the same, and the build is similar though the casting is different and probably an improvement.
As for Bambu innovations the very idea of a small computer case like heavily automated build was new, the various sensor options and user experience benefits were new (like their peizo auto z offset implementation, the AMS being smaller and more space efficient than previous systems, the first layer scanning, auto tuning, software driven stepper controllers and more). So the idea they didn't innovate is wildly inaccurate.
The lesson for you is, don't get lost in a blind rage where you assume someone else's opinion despite them not stating what you think they think at all.
Why use the name carbon? That's an easy way to be called a cheep copy of Bambu
Like the use of the word 'carbon', it has a familiar ring to it.
Would love to know its price tho.
You mentioned the Elegoo Orangestorm Giga. Did you ever get the improvements done on that to get it working? I don't remember seeing a final video on that.
The real question is will they support it like Bambu? Have only had my Bambu 3 months, and already 3 strong updates for slicer improvement and new filament settings. Except Prusa, none of the clones are nowhere near the customer experience of Bambu.
That being said, I wish Elegoo all the best w their new printer. Competition drives improvement and lowers cost. Everyone benefits.
What makes that printer better than Bambu? The touchscreen with green colors doesn’t even try to not be a Bambu clone.
Price.
Man I wish my K1 Max was half that quiet. If it really prints consistently at that volume level they've got a winner on their hands.
Can someone explain why people are so protective of Bambu labs? a lot of businesses follow trends and imitate what works and in many cases people get to use technology at a cheaper price because of this imitation, I have multiple brands of printers Bambu being one of them, buy the brand you can afford and just enjoy it.
It's ridiculous. Most of them don't even realize that there were enclosed core XY printers before the X1C.
Bambu Lab is currently the fastest growing internet religion. If you don't affirm that Bambu is the only path to salvation, you are a heretic and you will be cast out and torn asunder by the Bambu acolytes. Don't try to reason with them. Logic and facts have no place here. Their beliefs are faith based.
I understand where you’re coming from and that is fine. I enjoy my P1S. The reason I will not buy this machine is because it is a knock off and it is not a P1S or X1C. Nothing towards Elegoo because I do like Elegoo but they really should have made something different imo or at least tried something different to at least separate themselves from BL. To each their own but I personally would not buy this machine.
Now do a 300mm+ cube
I’ll wait for the replacement “pro” upgrade 3 months after this unit is released.
I guess the one good thing is BL has reset the bar for what’s considered a decent budget printer.
You mean QIDI for budget printers: the X smart I got for black friday was 190e and max speed is 600mm/s, the Q1 Pro is half price the P1S and it has an heated chamber.
Why buy this when the Bambu has been out for this long, tested and proven. Unless this is cheaper by far, then I don't see the point of its existence at all to be honest.
Elegoo always manage to have competitive prices and often have various sales
Will they be doing multi color printing as well?
hope they have a k2 plus sized machine
good job elegoo nice looking printer love my neptune 3 plus next to my Creality k1 elegoo make nice printers !
I bet they make good money from this. Make what people already know but make it super cheap and your overhead from r&d is essentially non-existent. It’s the same X1 clone we’ve seen these past couple years.
@0:55 - uhm.... "it's a Bambu COPY?!"
thats cool
Man, Gotta give it to Bambu. Now other companies are even making the beds interchangeable....
Bambu was the best thing to ever happen to 3D printing!
Are you kidding? PIE spring steel plates existed long before Bambu Lab even existed. As far as I know Prusa introduced them with the MK2 in 2016 and Wam Bam offered them for all kinds of printers. And since many of the printers were clones of the Ender 3, they had the same build volume.
@@andreas.grundler They mean the bed sizes and tabs make the beds for each machine compatible with each other
Bambu Lab did not invent this hahaha.
@@802Garage Invent what exactly? If you're talking about the advent of space efficient welded steel chassis Corexys without bulky plastic exteriors they certainly popularized that.
Then, there is the auto z offset which they were one of the first to use. Creality tried first, but that system was renowned for issues.
It’s literally a P1S that looks like a K1
Cheaper than both.
Their sales promo should read.."We copied the P1S." ..sheesh
stop it, it's ridiculous and iritating. It's jus Core XY. Chinese Bambu Lab didn't invent Core XY.
Wooo E1C or Elegoo K1C
The last 10 years were that of i3 clones. The next 10 years will be the era of X1 carbon. Not necessarily the worst thing that could have happened unless it shifts the whole industry to closed source.
The audio track in Italian has a translation that makes even chickens laugh🤔🐔 🤣🤣
Did she say Elegoo did $200M in sales last year?
let's just hope it doesn't release half finished like the neptune 4.
great printer but whoever bought it at launch had a TERRIBLE experience
Traditional 3D printer companies out of china are excellent at copying and cheapifying.
Ahhh yes a core xy machine from a company that’s struggled with every FDM printer…
All I see is a Bambu Knockoff - come on, innovate!
It's going to be $900.00 cheaper. This is its innovation.
These Bambu Carbon looking clones popping up of late almost feel like the echoes of the ~2010's with Makerbot Replicators and all their clones.
When people demand that companies should be innovative, I always ask myself what they expect? For example, should a car manufacturer suddenly develop a flying car because all the other cars are driving on the road?
Bambu Lab itself was not as innovative as many people think. Most of what you find in the X1C already existed in the community before. They themselves say that they used many projects from the Voron community as ‘inspiration’.
@@andreas.grundler inductive heated hotend, temperature/layer time calibration using infrared camera, faster and more reliable multi material system (maybe ams lite iteration with IDEX added), auto flow rate calibration using eddie currents like A1 hotends, 'brick layers' in slicer, variable temprature in slicer, multi axis printers for better overhangs/strength of prints, non planar printing. There are plenty of things that i've had not hear about and are waiting in line to be introduced in 3d printers.
Most of the companies were woken up by bambu with quality, and now they are trying to beat bambu with price - but loss in quality/durability is usually unacceptable.
@@anonim1133 The features all sound great, but a company has to present a product that they can sell.
At $1500, the X1C is already at the upper limit of what most hobbyists are willing to spend. Plasmics sells for example a inductive hotend for 476€. That is more expensive than a lot of printers on the market. It is really impressiv but I doubt they will sell a lot of units. There is a reason why Bambu Lab released the P1P/S. The X1C is the flagship but I bet they sell a lot more P1 and A1 printers.
I was so bewildered by the horrible auto generated german audiotrack, at first I thought it was in a bad dream
why I listen this in spanish?
It should have been bigger. It's just another Bambu
la traducción es graciosa 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So a bambu clone that brings nothing new to the market. Great.
Just shows how little innovation there is in Chinese companies. Bambulabs being the exception. Look at all these clones. Before this they all just made ender 3 clones.
Not really, QIDI for example was making corexy printers before Bambu and now they all have heating chamber.
If it's not multi material it's not interesting at this point
Its interesting to see chinese companies copy other chinese companies 😮
My Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro was a constant headache. Its still already but... yeah. Since buying a Bambu Lab P1S I haven't touched it. Even if I wanted it printing side projects the babysitting it requires wouldn't be worth it. So... yeah... not buying anything from Elegoo but the occasional cheap roll of filament.
Clone or not, I wouldn't mind getting one. All parts come from he same place in China anyways.
elegoo x1 carbon
If this thing is priced right, interesting. Otherwise it’s just an also ran…
how about we not print a benchy
The design looks an awful lot like my infimech tx . I did not catch the build volume and they way they are not sharing the price I am thinking it is going to be in the PS1 range/!?1? maybe.. I aonly paid 350 for the infimech with upgrades and it has been a workhorse!
its a rip off of the X1c.. very similar
another product for Elegoo to abandon in few months after release :D
Pretty compact but elegoo? Nothing invantional from bambu and elegoo????yaks!!
Elegoo seems to come close but I will never trust this company
Dude the High 5 = CRINGE
Wow, their only 3 years to late... Bro Bambu was so ashamed of all the other guys it took the competition years to catch up
Love Elegoo but no… Just no.
Really? Hope they paid you well to act excited about their Bambu clone
...yawn. 😴
DON'T TOUCH THE PEI SHEET WITH YOUR GREASY FINGERS!!!!!! IT HURTS ME PHYSICALLY!
It's not that big a deal
lol. They couldn’t resists copying the UI colours either
Took an awful long time for a Bambu clone, they even stole the “carbon” in the name. 😂
There is literally nothing new. It a rebranded Bambu. We’ll see what they want for it.
Just like the X1C wasn't actually anything new when it came out. What matters is execution and price.
Saying the X1 was nothing new is crazy.
Why are people so reluctant to admit it when a Chinese company innovates
So much of the auto tuning and sensor stuff is new to printers, yet all I see is people saying they didn't invent Corexy as if anyone said they did.
@@BeefIngot I have no issue with Chinese companies! Elegoo is one! What was new? Exactly like you said, auto tuning. "Sensor stuff" is not an actual feature I can compare. The basic structure and design of the printer was not innovation. People are calling this a clone based on styling. That's my issue. This Elegoo doesn't even have the auto tuning, so if that was Bambu Lab's innovation, and this printer doesn't even use it, how is it a clone? You're making my point. No hate, but you're pointing out exactly what I'm talking about. Most people calling it a clone, or any other printer, either think Bambu Lab did invent the basic structure and mechanics because they don't know anything about 3D printing history, or they are talking about styling and have only skin deep criticism. What matters is how well the printer performs and what it costs.
@@802Garage I'm not helping your point at all. You said the X1 was nothing new when it came out and that was demonstrably false.
Peizos for auto z offset, first layer scanning auto flow and pressure advance calibration were all brand new features.
The AMS was also new and so was the form factor for a mass produced printer where previous manufacturer methods involved a lot of bulky plastic or aluminium extrusion.
The core of the point that I disproved and disagreed with was that the X1C did nothing different.
@@BeefIngot I will totally concede "wasn't actually anything new" was not the correct language to use. I was speaking of the printer overall and in context of what most commenters mean when they say "clone" not trying to say there were zero new things that came with the printer. I agree Bambu Lab has innovated and I appreciate what they have done for the industry. I don't hate their printers. I do hate extremely tired and lazy rhetoric which helps nobody and changes nothing. Everyone in the comments parroting the same line about this being a clone is not talking about automatic calibration or even multi-color. They are talking about styling or incorrectly about printer mechanics and it drives me bonkers. That's all. As addressed in the other comment thread though, they also didn't come up with the piezo force sensor use. The AMS was new in its form, but they were not the first to do multi color either. I agree with you it is incorrect to say the X1C did nothing different, but as you have done and as so many do, people give Bambu Lab credit for inventing/innovating/creating features they didn't. Their main complaint for most enclosed core XY printers that come out now being clones is simply that they look like a Bambu Lab printer and to me that's pointless and silly. Often it's not even accurate.
its either my expectation is too high or it just plain copy cat of k1 haha
kinda put in perspective how bambu lab had no decent competitor
Embarrassing. Should add X1
Copy/Paste
Make it cheaper, make it work, make us happy.