I'm so glad for the 3D legends like yourself that keep it real about newer products. It stinks the companies don't send the test printers during the campaigns, but it makes sense because they wouldn't get as many backers with honest reviews or have to address things before the massive rollout 😅
actually a Lot of the KS DO Give out early prototypes take feedback and then sometimes make changes. Half of Uncle Jessie UA-cam's are early Test Prototypes like this so they have no excuse. This Printer was sent out to UA-camrs to test before it went out months ago, Elegoo has No excuse.
I like Frank but I wouldn’t put him in the elite category. Maker’s Muse, CNC Kitchen, Made with Layers, Teaching Tech are all S rank. I’d put Frank at B rank. Solid skills, entertaining videos, mostly basic projects and finishing these days. I’m not criticizing, I watch his videos as soon as they drop…he’s definitely earned his 1M subs but he’s still got some leveling up to do 😁
Fantastic video and fully feel the frustration with this and other machines that 100% need to be tested more before being sent out to people. That said… I do have a handful of Giga mods I’m testing out in a video tomorrow that will hopefully address a few of the issues you mentioned 🤞
:D cant wait to see this... tho yeah frank is like why do we need to mod a printer to get it to work well. I kinda agree. I have the max 4, and it was not really useful out of the box.
@@knowkontrolmusic let’s be fair though, this is how elegoo rolls and as soon as the current model gets kinda dialled in, they release a new version with newer components and walk away from supporting the older machine. In elegoos world, the public are their beta testers. They always have been.
I agree. When the printer works as expected, and you want to upgrade. That's fine. (And fun). But if you spend 2.5k and you are expected to upgrade just to make it work as expected, that's a problem. Upgrades should be fun, not mandatory. They really should have caught that in testing
just like my 9 yo printer, it worked as expected out of the box from a Chinese factory. granted it was just a box of parts but i expected crap and got crap. i had to print a broken fan shroud. I been upgrading it here and there to keep up with new hardware. its still kicking. its even running on klipper which wasn't a thing 9 years ago. If i bought a $14k mark forge onyx and got crap i would be furious. those printers are built well and print like you expect every time. i think the print settings are controlled by the company so end users cant mess it up and complain.
You just described how I feel about my Neptune 4 Max, I pre-ordered that sucker the minute it went live I was so excited for a large format printer with klipper. I want to love that thing so much but it's been 1 step forward and 2 steps back with no cameo from MC Skat kat. Every time I feel like I'm ready to run with that thing it kicks me in the balls again. I've since added a K1 and a P1S to my garden and it makes me mad at Elegoo because those 2 machines just work. I know the K1 had it's problems at launch but they cleared up relatively quick, the N4 Max seems like it's inventing new problems weekly. It has taught me the valuable lesson to never be an early adopter with a 3D printer. I feel bad for everyone pre-ordering that new AnyCubic color printer, trust me just wait a couple months folks, the industry at large has proven they don't invest in proper testing.
there were already reviews and leaks about the Kobra 3 multicolor having problems and there still no reviewers publishing full testing content about it
Your blunt, straight to the point and your not blowing it up. Frank your awesome and you put this to the test and found some things that us the consumer need to know.so thank you 👍🏼😊
@@FranklyBuilt ...and the really sad part is, how old the E5 basically is. Not that familiar with Cruelities lineup but I'm struggling to see a major difference to replicator designs/clones from 10+ years ago. Is there something I'm missing or did they just need to come up with a design old enough to seem new to the market? ^^ (We've removed a rod, two pulleys and a closed loop belt from the design and replaced it with couplers on the Y stepper, yeah!)
This is so accurate... I love my E5+ to bits, but I love it bc I know it's an old printer that needs tinkering to work right. But man doing all that work on a $2500 printer... nah that's not the way to go
Got my OSG 3 weeks ago and it’s been churning out prints non-stop. Longest print was 5.5 days. It’s been flawless so far, and hopefully it continues that way. With that said, I haven’t printed to max height so I can’t comment on the filament sensor issue you experienced. The only issue I’ve experience is when loading the next spool after a runout. If you simply hit load, the nozzle is sitting at 140°C. I’ve got my printer connected to mobileraker on my phone so I was using the app to set nozzle temp back to 220°C before loading. I’ve since realized if you skip the loading screen and press resume, the nozzle will preheat and load the filament automatically then purge about 150mm of filament (post nozzle measurement) before proceeding to print.
I'm loving the new attitude that tools should already work and not need to be modified in order to work properly. Hey, if you're the type who like to build printers... go build printers and be happy with the hobby how you want to participate in it.
I love the willingness of the community to create their own solutions to things but you are 100% right, we shouldn't have to fix obvious problems in expensive machines. We're not back in the day with new homemade printers. These are new, commodity, printers working with established technology. They should just work out of the box, end of story.
Thank you for the review on it. I wanted to get one, but I wasn't too sure about it because it was new to the scene. im glad I waited. Thank you for the honesty on it.
I big time appreciate this brother 🤜🤛💯 I almost pulled the trigger until I saw this specific video. I'll just stick to my Bambu X1 Carbon. Best money I have ever spent on a new 3d printer. I also choose the Bambu labs X1 Carbon because of your indepth review of it. Thank you again 🤜🤛💯🔥
Excellent review. I wasn’t a backer, because I didn’t really want to be a beta tester. There is value in both being and not being a beta tester. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just engineer one large heated bed.
Probably because of heat bleed when using one bed for a smaller job. I'd bet most users won't be print SO big as to need all 4 beds at once, for the majority of jobs. If you're only heating bed 1 but have a steel plate extending to the other 3 cold beds its going to bleed heat out the adjoining side like mad and you'll loose adhesion on those edges.
LMAO, i was going to buy one, now not so much. will wait to see if any issues are addressed, thank you for your honest testing and thoughts, hope your sister is doing well
I was really interested in this printer, almost backed it, but I live in an apartment so I figured it would eat up too much space. Holy crap.. bullet dodged. Thanks for this video
After that much backing on kickstarter they should be fixing the faults and anyone who has one should be getting all the fixes for free to sort the issues. Great review, nice to see someone who is totally honest about a product.
SUBSCRIBED!!! I Definitely wanted to buy one of these printers, but after seeing your video, it's obvious it needs more improvement. Thanks for telling the truth 👍👍👍🫡
Thanks for the honest review. I've noticed that most of the early testers are no longer posting videos of their challenges. It would have been nice if the testers could have gotten their machines before the kickstarter began. I was hesitant to pull the trigger, but I did and now I wish I had skipped this. If there was a way to cancel and get my money back I'd probably do it.
I've sent a message to Elegoo. Let's see what happens. I'm glad Frank pointed out the fact that all four beads heat up even when only one is needed. If Prusa can do it why can't Elegoo? @@filipefarias3076
Expect it two to three months later than you expected it. Elegoo shipped the “Early Bird” round of printers (the April group) on the last day of April and said to expect 45-60 days for them to arrive in the local warehouses which would ship them to the backers. I’m in the “May” group and I’m guessing I won’t see mine till the end of July.
Ivan Miranda made a huge scale 3D printer and his worked great. It had a sheet of aluminium as the base plate and used four silicone heating mats attached underneath for base plate heating.
Thanks for your feedback :) i have the printer as well and I may have been luckier than others. I got one head crash after replacing my filament and the latest firmware seems to have fixed the problem. Since then, I printed a huge mascot (visible in the fb group), the head was 12 kg of filament and it took a week to print. Then if it works, it works. I also agree with you with the cable management and other little things, or just the power switch being in the back. My powerful ups doesn't support the bed/nozzle heat up and goes in error. But at the end, it's a printer I really like. But it's not the typical printer and probably not for beginners. For me, its real downside is the flow which is limited to around 30mm3/s... with the 1mm nozzle, you have to print quite slowly.... i hope for some upgrade to have a higher flow to take benefit of the speed it could provide.
Great video Frank. I saw a video recently someone did where they were talking to the Elgoo developer and they plan on making an entire Storm line and they do have plans to make a smaller model of the Giga. I'm guessing one about half the size. It would make more sense to me anyway. Anyway I expected more from Elgoo. They had been doing so good as a manufacturer and then they make this huge failure. Let's hope they fix the Giga and make better models in the Storm line that they may have planned.
good video no b.s. thanks. that nozzle blowout is gnarly. I feel like a genius for buying my a1 mini for 250 after looking at all these large format issues
I wonder if an enclosure would help with some issues. If so, those’ll be some big panels! Plus, you can place the spool holder on top of the top panel.
Chinese printer companies rush products to market as a general rule to combat rampant industrial espionage. If you wait long enough to refine your product, your competitor will beat you to market. Being first is more important to them than anything else. This is where Bamboo Labs is a bigger disruptor than the credit they get for it. Delivering a pretty refined consumer product is way different than the “kit printer” mentality of so many of the incumbents. Also, 3D printer communities have become unbelievably toxic places in general.
If you want mass adoption, ease of use is key. And then price is secondary. Bambu did both and now everyone else is play catch up. In the end, the winners are the consumers. I would totally get a large printer from bambu if they ever decide to offer one.
Absolutely. Modern companies would rather take the profit their company makes with no risk, they're putting the risk of product failures on their customers and that's not acceptable.
I agree with you. But, I’m happy paying a bit for a base kit printer. I’ve built a couple large printers. Many people have. I backed this just so I can make it better. It’s fun it my hobby. I back a lot of projects and it’s a waste of money in a way. But there is always new ideas in the products that I didn’t consider before. So it doesn’t feel wasteful. It’s just fun. I could be eating $300 dinners every night and cramping out that money with nothing but a belt collection to show for it. I’m happy being a backer. I’ve never regretted any project in the many years I’ve been doing this. I don’t regret this one and never will. There is an interesting reason the Chinese are on kickstarter more and more. Talk to them and make a friend. You’ll find it highly interesting and very widespread.
@@FranklyBuilt some people will just refuse to take new knowledge and advise, haters always be hating. great honest review by both uncle jessy and yourself!!! thanks franklybuilt!!!!!!!
Couldn’t agree more. Just because we can mod it doesn’t mean we should need to. Sounds like a load of issues that @Elegoo should have resolved before it left the warehouse.
They put a separate power supply on each bed? The bed on my Voron runs right off wall current. Admittedly, that's why I used the highest quality solid state relay I could get my hands on. I can't imagine trying to run a heater of that size off 24 volts.
They’re still fulfilling kickstarter backers orders till Aug, so it’s going to be quite some time before anyone will be able to buy one. I’m hoping with the additional time and the higher cost, the printer will be a better product.
Thank you for sharing ❤️. To be honest, I’m still excited to get this thing mostly for the size and the frame. It’s still a deal if you were to try and custom build this and troubleshoot your own system would spend more time and money and may or may not be more successful 🤷♂️. That said it is definitely NOT what they advertised, they promoted and sold it as an extremely capable product, not a project. So I completely agree, should have been tested and shipments delayed would have saved elegoo and their fans a BIG incoming headache. Good news is I am up for it and love to hear all the feedback you can share.
Hey! I have the Ender-3 V3, and I feed the spool in from the bottom. I see that you fed it from the top, possibly adjust the runout sensor and feed the filament from the bottom!
The bed not being a one piece sheet ... I kind of like this. Now that bigger printers become more common, large sheets are affordable - still not cheap though. A special extra large sheet for this printer would be extremely expensive and it sucks to replace that large of a sheet if you crashed the nozzle in one corner. But when I saw the first announcement of this printer it already was clear to me there are a lot of things that need to be improved. The inductive bed sensor is an issue that is know for years, not having a proper filament guide or spool mount (are there still printers being sold with the spool holder at the rear ???) .
I have an electronics background to some degree and was excited about the giga. However seeing the same things bothered me too. The biggest red flag for me was the 4 build plates thrown together. I knew that would cause problems. I understand making a full sized single plate would be costly but if you want this size of a printer, you would want and pay for that. Its like when it came time to discuss the build plate they ran out of time and money and just said "Just put 4 plates together..." Not good. The amount of difference in the print you showed was straight up ugly. That in itself would be the one thing that would stop me from buying this. Then again I never buy the first run of anything - I always wait till its been used and reviewed so thanks for the review and your thoughts.
Excellent looking printer except for all the little quirks that should have been resolved. The control panel should have been wireless in my opinion. Thanks for the great review. Keep it coming.
Seems to me if you need or want a giant printer like that, the building materials are available. It really comes down to Software, and having a quality design. Am I off on thinking this?
The only print bed suitable would be one giant one and using load cell bed levelling. No manual adjusting. They could offer smaller plates, but designed for smaller pieces that won't span across multiple plates. The filament mounting should be at the front top and use a reverse bowden for guiding.
While I do think the wifi plug is a pretty unfair complaint (they aren't really made for large power draw), I do agree that this printer wastes a massive amount of energy by not having some sort of enclosure. In my opinion, this product should have came with some sort of wall or enclosure, any additional cost would be well worth what you save in electricity.
The heat saturation issue and bed leveling is a known thing across their line at least the neptune 4 and beyond. You gotta heat soak that bed for everything you want to do. Get that down and makes it easier.
Tech companies (Chinese ones especially) are famous for using early buyers as "beta testers who pay". They then iterate thier designs but not "officially" so the models don't have version numbers.
It's easy to get awe struck at the thought of all the cool stuff you could make with a printer of that size lol. I'm one of the few that kept my cr10-s5, I lost my shit on that thing a number of times but finally worked it out, and understandably, they quit making them I guess. But since figuring it out I've immensely enjoyed it. But when you're paying 2500 bucks for something the way money is during these times, it seems elegoo could have put more consideration into it.
I agree with you about the CF/KS. Established companies shouldn't do CF-ing but there is no stopping them. It has become a nu-store, where all the risk is on us and large companies don't even have to actually deliver a quality product, and many don't. Some large companies run 3-5 CF a year. The board game industry is even worse than tech there.
I personally would’ve liked a printer like that to be the size of one of those print plates but the height of the giga storm, just to print one of those giant retractable swords. Or make a printer half the size and call it a Half Giga. Would be much easier to get out of room and you wouldn’t have to to take it apart to get it through the door
Build a voron 2.4 and stretch the Z axis. You just need to increase the length of z belts, vertical extrusions and wiring. (Panels as well if you want to enclose it).
"We are testing this printer." As soon as I saw this kick-started with the discounted rate, I knew this was a test to see what they could do with large scale. They're a big enough company to take a risk like that without a Kickstarter. It was guinea pig testing paid by the consumer...
In general I agree big companies shouldn't do kick starters. I do wonder though if it's done to keep investors out though. Most big companies still have investors to help create new products. On top of that they are big companies in 3D printing but that's not a super larger market, but it is growing larger year over year. I'd be curios if a Kickstarter was actually needed for these reason or just to not cut into profits with manufacturing.
Elagoo lost any credibility for me when they Kickstarted this. So happy I got a bambu instead. Now all bambu need to do is give us a P1P XL and life will be even better 😂
bambu and prusa need to make a large scale 3d printer like the elegoo 3 max or the creality cr-10. the prusa xl's bed is still smaller than the 3 and 4 max/ cr-10/ cr-m4.
1) This is why backing Kickstarters of manufactured products is extremely risky. 2) I agree that big companies shouldn't be kickstarting products. Consumers shouldn't be paying lots of money to be the R&D department. That is the manufacturers job.
There were some kickstarter prices from around 1200 I believe. The price on the website is now 2500 Euro, and it's not like they don't deliver like 90% of the Kickstarter projects. It helps them distribute which in the past they had troubles with like the Saturn 2. They're always with the lowest prices and the newest technologies for that class. They drag prices down from all the other brands and machines, doing a good job on customers service since day one. Can they get some help with from the community with that?
Since I haven't seen anyone mention this in the comments yet. Elegoo has listed it on their website, with the price now set at 9,999 USD. Now they indicate this price is not final, but I think it is fair to say that it will be somewhere near that price (why else would they publically list it at that otherwise). As well elegoo themselves mentioned that production was a mess on this machine and they seem to have lost money on the kickstarter units. It really seems like their design team built something and put it into production without really knowing the issues with scaling up a printer to these sizes.
I am an elegoo fan, have used their resin printers (mars 2/saturn 2) and Neptune 3 max and even have a phecda but they do always seem to make the wrong cost saving decisions. Things like what you are now pointing out show exactly the issues. Maybe the testers failed to point out these things though.
Make a Baymax xD But yeah, the two things that griped me was the number of plates and they maybe could had a bar going on the top in the center to hold the rolls?
They seem to be going down the same path as Creality, put something out and then have the community design the fixes. This is why I gave up on Creality, the Prusa XL had a lot of the same problems, but Prusa fixed most of them - lots where done in software.
A little unrelated, but I’m looking into buying a 3D printer and the Ender 3 looks great, but I’m wondering if it’s possible to print something like an Iron Man helmet on 220*220, or if there’s at least a way to split the file into separate parts? I don’t have a thousand dollars to throw at a CR-10 right now so if the Ender can do the job that would be great.
Don't get a 220x220 bed. I would encourage you to get at least a 300mm size if you plan on printing full size helmets. Creality just shipped out their new Ender 3 V3 Plus (i own one and it's printing great!) Again, splitting helmet into 2-4 peices only not going to be a lot of prep work but takes too darn long to print 😅
@@psx1986 Thank you for the insight, Im having trouble making the decision so its good to know its more worth it to get the upgraded model. Would you know anything about the V3 Max Neo? Its also an option Im looking into that's a little less costly but also keeps the bigger 300*300 size, however you would probably know more about it than I do.
I feel like the Ratrig Vcore4 idex is the next exciting large format printer. 500mm cube is not as big but probably big enough for most and fits through doors.
i can relate to your thinking on this, i work in the tool making industry primareky milling, and i look at machines also and think: "why wasnt this reconsidered?" all that aside, im also very confused they didnt put a probe standard on this machine, and also a nozzle probe? like the one Anycubic made. A machine this size really needs accurate operation as a standard part of it :S
I like how you delved into this with great detail. Since you are comparing you probably just could have said. Do you think this is what Bambu labs would have done? Because if they do a giant printer it probably will not be like this. I think it will be very hard to make a Huge machine that gets adopted by a lot of people. Unless it makes a Large print twice as fast as a Prusa makes a small print there is no point for MOST people in getting one. Heck, I saw a tuber, his first printer is an x1c and he says the only thing he does not like about it, IT IS TOO SLOW.... this is the future! What do you think?
Hey Frank, i had a question for you. if you dont mind would you be able to make a katana for Inosuke? It's been a long time since your last swords for demon slayer characters.I really enjoyed those. I'm working on my first prop and struggling to find the correct files to print Inosuke's katana. I also don't know how to craft a sheath and am trying to figure that out by watching UA-cam tutorials. I was hoping you could make one since your tutorials are some of the best out there. Keep up the fantastic work!
I dont think the feed to the extruder would be to bigger thing to get right Sure the consumer shouldn't have to do this but the build volume is amazing wow wow wow
I appreciate the critique but I really don't see any deal breakers. Things like updating the firmware, leveling, and changing the spool angle are super easy.
I'm so glad for the 3D legends like yourself that keep it real about newer products. It stinks the companies don't send the test printers during the campaigns, but it makes sense because they wouldn't get as many backers with honest reviews or have to address things before the massive rollout 😅
actually a Lot of the KS DO Give out early prototypes take feedback and then sometimes make changes. Half of Uncle Jessie UA-cam's are early Test Prototypes like this so they have no excuse. This Printer was sent out to UA-camrs to test before it went out months ago, Elegoo has No excuse.
I like Frank but I wouldn’t put him in the elite category. Maker’s Muse, CNC Kitchen, Made with Layers, Teaching Tech are all S rank. I’d put Frank at B rank. Solid skills, entertaining videos, mostly basic projects and finishing these days. I’m not criticizing, I watch his videos as soon as they drop…he’s definitely earned his 1M subs but he’s still got some leveling up to do 😁
These types of videos always get the least views but require the most knowledge/experience. Thank you, genuinely, for being a real one.
Fantastic video and fully feel the frustration with this and other machines that 100% need to be tested more before being sent out to people. That said… I do have a handful of Giga mods I’m testing out in a video tomorrow that will hopefully address a few of the issues you mentioned 🤞
:D cant wait to see this... tho yeah frank is like why do we need to mod a printer to get it to work well. I kinda agree. I have the max 4, and it was not really useful out of the box.
The mod it really needs is a chube hotend so you can actually use the massive size
@@knowkontrolmusic let’s be fair though, this is how elegoo rolls and as soon as the current model gets kinda dialled in, they release a new version with newer components and walk away from supporting the older machine. In elegoos world, the public are their beta testers. They always have been.
Sad to hear about Frank had divorce and he had and is living with his mom now
@@proaudiorestore8926 :( yeah the community tends to come to the rescue
I agree.
When the printer works as expected, and you want to upgrade. That's fine. (And fun).
But if you spend 2.5k and you are expected to upgrade just to make it work as expected, that's a problem.
Upgrades should be fun, not mandatory.
They really should have caught that in testing
just like my 9 yo printer, it worked as expected out of the box from a Chinese factory. granted it was just a box of parts but i expected crap and got crap.
i had to print a broken fan shroud. I been upgrading it here and there to keep up with new hardware. its still kicking. its even running on klipper which wasn't a thing 9 years ago.
If i bought a $14k mark forge onyx and got crap i would be furious. those printers are built well and print like you expect every time. i think the print settings are controlled by the company so end users cant mess it up and complain.
You should print small objects massive to put in that room so you look like ant man in that room 😂
Yes! I would donate filament to that cause!
@franklybuilt you should also print an AntMan suit to go with it!
Deadpool 3 Antman helmet complete with skull
@@JaXxX410 that wuld be made in ohio❣bestregards
Can we acknowledge how well spoken frank is, trying 3d printing content myself, you sure make it look easy 😂. Great video Frank
Can I make it worse by saying this was all shot and filmed on an afternoon? I was busy and didn’t have time to script lol 😂
@@FranklyBuilt MAN 😭😭
It's so impressive that someone running such a small and brand new channel can talk in front of a camera
13:26 Franks arms are JACKED lol
You just described how I feel about my Neptune 4 Max, I pre-ordered that sucker the minute it went live I was so excited for a large format printer with klipper. I want to love that thing so much but it's been 1 step forward and 2 steps back with no cameo from MC Skat kat. Every time I feel like I'm ready to run with that thing it kicks me in the balls again. I've since added a K1 and a P1S to my garden and it makes me mad at Elegoo because those 2 machines just work. I know the K1 had it's problems at launch but they cleared up relatively quick, the N4 Max seems like it's inventing new problems weekly. It has taught me the valuable lesson to never be an early adopter with a 3D printer. I feel bad for everyone pre-ordering that new AnyCubic color printer, trust me just wait a couple months folks, the industry at large has proven they don't invest in proper testing.
there were already reviews and leaks about the Kobra 3 multicolor having problems and there still no reviewers publishing full testing content about it
Your blunt, straight to the point and your not blowing it up. Frank your awesome and you put this to the test and found some things that us the consumer need to know.so thank you 👍🏼😊
Dog is in the video 10/10
Love the hollow knight grub
cargo shorts ….
ohio dog himselph at that.. mrs tusjak the program teacher stole my dog and is kis
Can't decide whether this video is more about 3D printing or muscle flexing ... the posing is unreal 😂
Looks like a synthol advertisement. My projection I just got 14 pounds off out of overweight
Basically, its a glorified OG Ender 5 Plus with stationary bed:
-Expensive
-Bed leveling problem
-Bed flatness problem
-and other things
….that was. Painfully accurate
@@FranklyBuilt ...and the really sad part is, how old the E5 basically is. Not that familiar with Cruelities lineup but I'm struggling to see a major difference to replicator designs/clones from 10+ years ago. Is there something I'm missing or did they just need to come up with a design old enough to seem new to the market? ^^
(We've removed a rod, two pulleys and a closed loop belt from the design and replaced it with couplers on the Y stepper, yeah!)
This is so accurate... I love my E5+ to bits, but I love it bc I know it's an old printer that needs tinkering to work right.
But man doing all that work on a $2500 printer... nah that's not the way to go
"I'm not standing on the print bed, I'm standing on the edge. Get out of my DMs". Frank has the best quotes.
Got my OSG 3 weeks ago and it’s been churning out prints non-stop. Longest print was 5.5 days. It’s been flawless so far, and hopefully it continues that way. With that said, I haven’t printed to max height so I can’t comment on the filament sensor issue you experienced. The only issue I’ve experience is when loading the next spool after a runout. If you simply hit load, the nozzle is sitting at 140°C. I’ve got my printer connected to mobileraker on my phone so I was using the app to set nozzle temp back to 220°C before loading. I’ve since realized if you skip the loading screen and press resume, the nozzle will preheat and load the filament automatically then purge about 150mm of filament (post nozzle measurement) before proceeding to print.
I'm loving the new attitude that tools should already work and not need to be modified in order to work properly. Hey, if you're the type who like to build printers... go build printers and be happy with the hobby how you want to participate in it.
I love the willingness of the community to create their own solutions to things but you are 100% right, we shouldn't have to fix obvious problems in expensive machines. We're not back in the day with new homemade printers. These are new, commodity, printers working with established technology. They should just work out of the box, end of story.
Nice honest video, thank you!
Thank you for the review on it. I wanted to get one, but I wasn't too sure about it because it was new to the scene. im glad I waited. Thank you for the honesty on it.
finally, an honest review of elegoo
I big time appreciate this brother 🤜🤛💯 I almost pulled the trigger until I saw this specific video. I'll just stick to my Bambu X1 Carbon. Best money I have ever spent on a new 3d printer. I also choose the Bambu labs X1 Carbon because of your indepth review of it. Thank you again 🤜🤛💯🔥
3:20 And this is why they do these Kickstarters. No better testers than the public.
Excellent review. I wasn’t a backer, because I didn’t really want to be a beta tester. There is value in both being and not being a beta tester. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just engineer one large heated bed.
Probably because of heat bleed when using one bed for a smaller job. I'd bet most users won't be print SO big as to need all 4 beds at once, for the majority of jobs. If you're only heating bed 1 but have a steel plate extending to the other 3 cold beds its going to bleed heat out the adjoining side like mad and you'll loose adhesion on those edges.
@@clintstlaurent4263never thought about that but it is true, even though I think the real reasons were costs and time to deliver
LMAO, i was going to buy one, now not so much. will wait to see if any issues are addressed, thank you for your honest testing and thoughts,
hope your sister is doing well
Glad to see you still going!
Thank you for your candor!👏🏼👏🏼 💯 I was going to get this but id rather just wait for a newer version.
I have 2 P1s, I was looking to go bigger for some of my points. I was about to order it but your video changed my mind
I was really interested in this printer, almost backed it, but I live in an apartment so I figured it would eat up too much space. Holy crap.. bullet dodged. Thanks for this video
After that much backing on kickstarter they should be fixing the faults and anyone who has one should be getting all the fixes for free to sort the issues. Great review, nice to see someone who is totally honest about a product.
thanks for posting another great vid frank
SUBSCRIBED!!! I Definitely wanted to buy one of these printers, but after seeing your video, it's obvious it needs more improvement. Thanks for telling the truth 👍👍👍🫡
Thanks for the honest review. I've noticed that most of the early testers are no longer posting videos of their challenges. It would have been nice if the testers could have gotten their machines before the kickstarter began. I was hesitant to pull the trigger, but I did and now I wish I had skipped this. If there was a way to cancel and get my money back I'd probably do it.
I did and feel the exact same way, I’m actually going to start trying to find a way to get a refund
If you find a way, please share how you do it. I've been looking for a way also.
Talk to elegoo I saw them working on refund with some backers
I've sent a message to Elegoo. Let's see what happens. I'm glad Frank pointed out the fact that all four beads heat up even when only one is needed. If Prusa can do it why can't Elegoo? @@filipefarias3076
At least you have it. I ordered it and hopefully get it soon.
Don’t hold your breathe lol
Expect it two to three months later than you expected it.
Elegoo shipped the “Early Bird” round of printers (the April group) on the last day of April and said to expect 45-60 days for them to arrive in the local warehouses which would ship them to the backers.
I’m in the “May” group and I’m guessing I won’t see mine till the end of July.
Ivan Miranda made a huge scale 3D printer and his worked great. It had a sheet of aluminium as the base plate and used four silicone heating mats attached underneath for base plate heating.
Thanks for your feedback :) i have the printer as well and I may have been luckier than others. I got one head crash after replacing my filament and the latest firmware seems to have fixed the problem. Since then, I printed a huge mascot (visible in the fb group), the head was 12 kg of filament and it took a week to print. Then if it works, it works.
I also agree with you with the cable management and other little things, or just the power switch being in the back. My powerful ups doesn't support the bed/nozzle heat up and goes in error. But at the end, it's a printer I really like. But it's not the typical printer and probably not for beginners.
For me, its real downside is the flow which is limited to around 30mm3/s... with the 1mm nozzle, you have to print quite slowly.... i hope for some upgrade to have a higher flow to take benefit of the speed it could provide.
Great video Frank. I saw a video recently someone did where they were talking to the Elgoo developer and they plan on making an entire Storm line and they do have plans to make a smaller model of the Giga. I'm guessing one about half the size. It would make more sense to me anyway. Anyway I expected more from Elgoo. They had been doing so good as a manufacturer and then they make this huge failure. Let's hope they fix the Giga and make better models in the Storm line that they may have planned.
good video no b.s. thanks. that nozzle blowout is gnarly. I feel like a genius for buying my a1 mini for 250 after looking at all these large format issues
I wonder if an enclosure would help with some issues. If so, those’ll be some big panels! Plus, you can place the spool holder on top of the top panel.
Chinese printer companies rush products to market as a general rule to combat rampant industrial espionage. If you wait long enough to refine your product, your competitor will beat you to market. Being first is more important to them than anything else. This is where Bamboo Labs is a bigger disruptor than the credit they get for it. Delivering a pretty refined consumer product is way different than the “kit printer” mentality of so many of the incumbents. Also, 3D printer communities have become unbelievably toxic places in general.
Nah bambu lab is what made 3d printer space so toxic. Attracted so many shitheads that think they are superior for not knowing how 3d printer works.
If you want mass adoption, ease of use is key. And then price is secondary. Bambu did both and now everyone else is play catch up. In the end, the winners are the consumers. I would totally get a large printer from bambu if they ever decide to offer one.
Existing or established companies should be banned from Kickstarter, regardless of industry.
Then it will be 95% scam
It's already 95% scams
@@ellingtonlinford guess you are right, last time I checked has been half a decade ago.
Absolutely. Modern companies would rather take the profit their company makes with no risk, they're putting the risk of product failures on their customers and that's not acceptable.
@@Kx0195 But at least they put their brand at risk, when they act badly on kickstarter and won't scam you completely like many others there.
I agree with you.
But, I’m happy paying a bit for a base kit printer.
I’ve built a couple large printers. Many people have.
I backed this just so I can make it better. It’s fun it my hobby. I back a lot of projects and it’s a waste of money in a way. But there is always new ideas in the products that I didn’t consider before. So it doesn’t feel wasteful. It’s just fun.
I could be eating $300 dinners every night and cramping out that money with nothing but a belt collection to show for it.
I’m happy being a backer. I’ve never regretted any project in the many years I’ve been doing this. I don’t regret this one and never will.
There is an interesting reason the Chinese are on kickstarter more and more. Talk to them and make a friend. You’ll find it highly interesting and very widespread.
Love your giga videos, it's how I found your channel. Would love to see more to see if you can get this printer working well.
Very accurate points and definitely correct it should be caught in internal testing not using customers as unpaid testers.
boy they are slaughtering you on the facebook. I appreciate that you are not just being a fan boy. Now I'm worried for when it arrives.
It’s just that one guy who can’t wrap his head around the points im making. Unless you mean another group?
@@FranklyBuilt yeah the one you posted this vid in :/ i guess all points of view are invalid on the internet
@@FranklyBuilt some people will just refuse to take new knowledge and advise, haters always be hating. great honest review by both uncle jessy and yourself!!! thanks franklybuilt!!!!!!!
Frank, THANK YOU for that major heads-up.
Couldn’t agree more. Just because we can mod it doesn’t mean we should need to. Sounds like a load of issues that @Elegoo should have resolved before it left the warehouse.
They put a separate power supply on each bed? The bed on my Voron runs right off wall current. Admittedly, that's why I used the highest quality solid state relay I could get my hands on. I can't imagine trying to run a heater of that size off 24 volts.
Thanks for the info and I do hope Elegoo will fix it
I think everyone has some form of that blanket in the window. a grey plush blanket, probably from Walmart. hahaha. Love you videos as always Frank!
They’re still fulfilling kickstarter backers orders till Aug, so it’s going to be quite some time before anyone will be able to buy one.
I’m hoping with the additional time and the higher cost, the printer will be a better product.
what do you do with the failed prints or your test? cause that looks like a huge amount of material
Thank you for sharing ❤️.
To be honest, I’m still excited to get this thing mostly for the size and the frame. It’s still a deal if you were to try and custom build this and troubleshoot your own system would spend more time and money and may or may not be more successful 🤷♂️.
That said it is definitely NOT what they advertised, they promoted and sold it as an extremely capable product, not a project. So I completely agree, should have been tested and shipments delayed would have saved elegoo and their fans a BIG incoming headache.
Good news is I am up for it and love to hear all the feedback you can share.
Hey! I have the Ender-3 V3, and I feed the spool in from the bottom. I see that you fed it from the top, possibly adjust the runout sensor and feed the filament from the bottom!
It doesn’t work. The sensor is wearing out
@@FranklyBuilt Crap
×2 playback speed is sweet for tight time. Good looking Deutsch Sheppard
I had a blowout on my Voron V4 running a Phaetus Dragon high flow hot end. That's what I would call impressive pressure.
The bed not being a one piece sheet ... I kind of like this. Now that bigger printers become more common, large sheets are affordable - still not cheap though. A special extra large sheet for this printer would be extremely expensive and it sucks to replace that large of a sheet if you crashed the nozzle in one corner.
But when I saw the first announcement of this printer it already was clear to me there are a lot of things that need to be improved. The inductive bed sensor is an issue that is know for years, not having a proper filament guide or spool mount (are there still printers being sold with the spool holder at the rear ???) .
Feels like a big DIY 3d printer someone threw together over the weekend
I have an electronics background to some degree and was excited about the giga. However seeing the same things bothered me too. The biggest red flag for me was the 4 build plates thrown together. I knew that would cause problems. I understand making a full sized single plate would be costly but if you want this size of a printer, you would want and pay for that. Its like when it came time to discuss the build plate they ran out of time and money and just said "Just put 4 plates together..." Not good. The amount of difference in the print you showed was straight up ugly. That in itself would be the one thing that would stop me from buying this. Then again I never buy the first run of anything - I always wait till its been used and reviewed so thanks for the review and your thoughts.
I backed the giga and this video is honestly giving me anxiety, but appreciate the honest feedback on your part
I just got my Kickstarter unit…. Can confirm, they didn’t change a thing 🤗🤦♂️
I love how the spool of filament looks so tiny on the top of the printer.
Excellent looking printer except for all the little quirks that should have been resolved. The control panel should have been wireless in my opinion. Thanks for the great review. Keep it coming.
Seems to me if you need or want a giant printer like that, the building materials are available. It really comes down to Software, and having a quality design. Am I off on thinking this?
That's huge!!!
What color filament do you use the most and what type of filament
Grey sunlu
The only print bed suitable would be one giant one and using load cell bed levelling. No manual adjusting. They could offer smaller plates, but designed for smaller pieces that won't span across multiple plates. The filament mounting should be at the front top and use a reverse bowden for guiding.
While I do think the wifi plug is a pretty unfair complaint (they aren't really made for large power draw), I do agree that this printer wastes a massive amount of energy by not having some sort of enclosure. In my opinion, this product should have came with some sort of wall or enclosure, any additional cost would be well worth what you save in electricity.
The heat saturation issue and bed leveling is a known thing across their line at least the neptune 4 and beyond. You gotta heat soak that bed for everything you want to do. Get that down and makes it easier.
Tech companies (Chinese ones especially) are famous for using early buyers as "beta testers who pay". They then iterate thier designs but not "officially" so the models don't have version numbers.
It's easy to get awe struck at the thought of all the cool stuff you could make with a printer of that size lol. I'm one of the few that kept my cr10-s5, I lost my shit on that thing a number of times but finally worked it out, and understandably, they quit making them I guess. But since figuring it out I've immensely enjoyed it. But when you're paying 2500 bucks for something the way money is during these times, it seems elegoo could have put more consideration into it.
I agree with you about the CF/KS. Established companies shouldn't do CF-ing but there is no stopping them. It has become a nu-store, where all the risk is on us and large companies don't even have to actually deliver a quality product, and many don't. Some large companies run 3-5 CF a year.
The board game industry is even worse than tech there.
I would use a bluetti as a UPS just need to buy the one that can handle the total wattage needed.
A single print plate would be nice. I agree that the USB/screen plugs needs moved as well as the spool mount and sensor
I personally would’ve liked a printer like that to be the size of one of those print plates but the height of the giga storm, just to print one of those giant retractable swords. Or make a printer half the size and call it a Half Giga. Would be much easier to get out of room and you wouldn’t have to to take it apart to get it through the door
Build a voron 2.4 and stretch the Z axis. You just need to increase the length of z belts, vertical extrusions and wiring. (Panels as well if you want to enclose it).
"We are testing this printer."
As soon as I saw this kick-started with the discounted rate, I knew this was a test to see what they could do with large scale.
They're a big enough company to take a risk like that without a Kickstarter. It was guinea pig testing paid by the consumer...
True
Bought to be a fire vid!
Thumbnail goin crazy. Now ik why your name is frankly BUILT 💪🏻
In general I agree big companies shouldn't do kick starters. I do wonder though if it's done to keep investors out though. Most big companies still have investors to help create new products. On top of that they are big companies in 3D printing but that's not a super larger market, but it is growing larger year over year. I'd be curios if a Kickstarter was actually needed for these reason or just to not cut into profits with manufacturing.
Elagoo lost any credibility for me when they Kickstarted this. So happy I got a bambu instead. Now all bambu need to do is give us a P1P XL and life will be even better 😂
bambu and prusa need to make a large scale 3d printer like the elegoo 3 max or the creality cr-10. the prusa xl's bed is still smaller than the 3 and 4 max/ cr-10/ cr-m4.
Hey I only just found out you were in the air force, thank you for your service
1) This is why backing Kickstarters of manufactured products is extremely risky.
2) I agree that big companies shouldn't be kickstarting products. Consumers shouldn't be paying lots of money to be the R&D department. That is the manufacturers job.
There were some kickstarter prices from around 1200 I believe. The price on the website is now 2500 Euro, and it's not like they don't deliver like 90% of the Kickstarter projects.
It helps them distribute which in the past they had troubles with like the Saturn 2. They're always with the lowest prices and the newest technologies for that class. They drag prices down from all the other brands and machines, doing a good job on customers service since day one. Can they get some help with from the community with that?
Since I haven't seen anyone mention this in the comments yet. Elegoo has listed it on their website, with the price now set at 9,999 USD. Now they indicate this price is not final, but I think it is fair to say that it will be somewhere near that price (why else would they publically list it at that otherwise). As well elegoo themselves mentioned that production was a mess on this machine and they seem to have lost money on the kickstarter units. It really seems like their design team built something and put it into production without really knowing the issues with scaling up a printer to these sizes.
The $9999 pricing is something lots of Chinese websites do when they have products listed that aren't yet for sale. Don't read anything into it.
I am an elegoo fan, have used their resin printers (mars 2/saturn 2) and Neptune 3 max and even have a phecda but they do always seem to make the wrong cost saving decisions. Things like what you are now pointing out show exactly the issues. Maybe the testers failed to point out these things though.
Make a Baymax xD
But yeah, the two things that griped me was the number of plates and they maybe could had a bar going on the top in the center to hold the rolls?
Add a Bowden tube after the run-out sensor.
Love the video frank
What slicer do you use for the elegoo neptune 4 pro?
They seem to be going down the same path as Creality, put something out and then have the community design the fixes. This is why I gave up on Creality, the Prusa XL had a lot of the same problems, but Prusa fixed most of them - lots where done in software.
Value wise you get a huge value for a small price.. I like to buy creality products cuz I know few upgrades and I get great printer for few bucks..
Frankly built is like an icon the the 3d printing community, he explains stuff so good like HOWW?!
A little unrelated, but I’m looking into buying a 3D printer and the Ender 3 looks great, but I’m wondering if it’s possible to print something like an Iron Man helmet on 220*220, or if there’s at least a way to split the file into separate parts? I don’t have a thousand dollars to throw at a CR-10 right now so if the Ender can do the job that would be great.
Don't get a 220x220 bed. I would encourage you to get at least a 300mm size if you plan on printing full size helmets. Creality just shipped out their new Ender 3 V3 Plus (i own one and it's printing great!) Again, splitting helmet into 2-4 peices only not going to be a lot of prep work but takes too darn long to print 😅
@@psx1986 Thank you for the insight, Im having trouble making the decision so its good to know its more worth it to get the upgraded model. Would you know anything about the V3 Max Neo? Its also an option Im looking into that's a little less costly but also keeps the bigger 300*300 size, however you would probably know more about it than I do.
I feel like the Ratrig Vcore4 idex is the next exciting large format printer. 500mm cube is not as big but probably big enough for most and fits through doors.
I DID RIP THAT CORD OFF OF MINE!!! and i told elagoo about it, and they replaced it all for free.. just in case you were wondering!!!
i can relate to your thinking on this, i work in the tool making industry primareky milling, and i look at machines also and think: "why wasnt this reconsidered?"
all that aside, im also very confused they didnt put a probe standard on this machine, and also a nozzle probe? like the one Anycubic made.
A machine this size really needs accurate operation as a standard part of it :S
elegoo's FDM track record is spotty at best
I like how you delved into this with great detail. Since you are comparing you probably just could have said. Do you think this is what Bambu labs would have done? Because if they do a giant printer it probably will not be like this. I think it will be very hard to make a Huge machine that gets adopted by a lot of people. Unless it makes a Large print twice as fast as a Prusa makes a small print there is no point for MOST people in getting one. Heck, I saw a tuber, his first printer is an x1c and he says the only thing he does not like about it, IT IS TOO SLOW.... this is the future! What do you think?
Listen to this man, he’s smart
Hey Frank,
i had a question for you. if you dont mind would you be able to make a katana for Inosuke? It's been a long time since your last swords for demon slayer characters.I really enjoyed those.
I'm working on my first prop and struggling to find the correct files to print Inosuke's katana. I also don't know how to craft a sheath and am trying to figure that out by watching UA-cam tutorials. I was hoping you could make one since your tutorials are some of the best out there. Keep up the fantastic work!
I dont think the feed to the extruder would be to bigger thing to get right Sure the consumer shouldn't have to do this but the build volume is amazing wow wow wow
I appreciate the critique but I really don't see any deal breakers. Things like updating the firmware, leveling, and changing the spool angle are super easy.
How have you not printed an R2-D2 frame yet?