I’m here for the same reason. Although it isn’t the SAME bolt carrier group ours doesn’t have a through hole in the bolt and these do. But same manufacturer. It will be interesting to see.
It’s also good to mention since it has a through hole it may also not have the gas key lug and one of the only 2 failures here was in the gas key alignment so the lugged version may fix that issue (if it is one).
@@billstevens5277 the bolt is a part of the bolt carrier group. The lug I’m talking about is under the gas key which is on the bolt carrier and key which we can’t see in the video.
I thought I knew a lot about the anatomy of the M16/AR15. Been using one version or another for nearly 40 years. The level of detail in your inspections is impressive. Many more tools need to be added to my toolbox. Maybe I'm a nerd, but I love this stuff. For most people, it's "good enough" For me - If I'm going to do something, I want to be as close to perfect as possible". You've got a convert, and subscriber.
As a Gunsmith of over 10 years, I can tell you that 99% of people think they can build a Ar-15. ( slapping together every cheap part they can buy) And can't figure out why their rifle won't work... my bread and butter right there. Gunsmithing, the profession where you need a great poker face when explaing to customers how ignorant they are on tolerance. I have found 3 non plum/straight barrel extentions in the past 2 months alone....
@@xunheilvsnipezx3324 Definitely true. I build/assemble AR rifles/pistols, and I am very particular about what components I use. Most people don't understand "tolerance stacking" and buy a bunch of parts and say, "they'll all within spec" and wonder why they have what Elmer Fudd might call a "wanker wifle".
@@xunheilvsnipezx3324 just headspace gauges - most who consider ARs “just like Legos” don’t bother checking headspace. I started hand loading long before I assembled an AR so I wouldn’t dream of *not* checking headspace.
I like reading the butthurt people in comments that somehow take it personal when a part they use gets torn apart.. I never understood someone's ego getting tied up into the brand they buy..
These are not carriers you buy to be milspec, you buy them for the considerable bump in accuracy they provide. I've had a NM side charging bolt and it's been flawless for 5 years now, gun shoots cloverleaf groups at 200 yards without issue.
I have a Young NM carrier in a 10.3” full auto. Thousands of rounds and had it hot enough to glow the Gas tube and suppressor numerous times. Never had any gas key loosening issues.
I’m using an RLL full auto host and young makes about the only RLL-specific bolt carrier out there, so it’s certainly about the highest/best quality RLL compatible carrier... unless you want to run an un shrouded SP1 carrier from the 70’s/80’s. So of course I run the Young RLL carrier and it’s been fantastic.
I really love the videos, lots of great information! I know you never get any suggestions for BCGs to consider for your autopsy’s, Ha! Smith Enterprise out of Arizona and LMT would be ones I’d like to see! Thanks again for your videos.
I was waiting for this one. I was hoping for the HMB bolt. I wonder if you could modify an existing tool to squarely cut off the bolt tail a thousandth at a time? A hand crank case length trimmer comes to mind.
I just started watching your videos...wow is all I got...so I have heard you say you offer classes?? I would like to know where,when and how much?? I think I would really like to be a student and get some real knowledge... Lol...how much would be nice too
WWSD2020 brought me here too. I wish the gas keys could have been removed to see if these also have the recoil lugs and recess. If they do, I'd take that over staking 8 days a week. Seeing the NM fail on firing pin protrusion make me wonder if that is intentional... reducing firing pin impact velocity is a thing for bolt action match rifles.
Hey dude I really love your videos. Not only do the micrometers tell the truth. But I really appreciate that you don't have any dog in the fight. And what the specs are is what they are
Based on this physical, I would not want to get a BCG from this company. Have you had the opportunity to check out Cryptic Coatings' BCG's? I know they use Toolcraft, but they still have their own QC process and do their own coatings.
I never knew the term “ carrier belly” know that I know the term I have question I’ve been wanting to ask someone knowledgeable..on most of my bcgs including colts I noticed that the bevel on the front of the carrier belly is never centered.the young’s in this video are beveled evenly...why do companies not center the bevel? Hopefully you know what I’m trying to ask lol
How do you headspace without removing (or overcoming the spring tension on) the ejector? Shouldn't the ejector be compressing and fighting you as you push the bolt into your test barrel?
Hey Chad, I love the videos. What I really want to see added to these videos is the remedies you employ to fix some of the issues you encounter. For example on this video when there isn't enough firing pin protrusion, do you file down the end of the bolt or have an alternative remedy?
I'm curious about this also. I have a YHM BCG and the bolt is longer than normal when measured with calipers. As a result, the firing pin doesn't protrude nearly as much, and I suspect it would fail your test. What would a proposed solution be? 5.45 Firing pin?
I bought my young hmb bolt and it fails to hold itself up on the gas ring check, seems to work just fine, just seems odd being brand new and almost 400 bucks
They say they don’t stake because their gas keys actually have small recoil lugs underneath that mean a lot of the force otherwise delivered straight to those fasteners goes into the lugs. That makes staking sort of redundant.
Armorer here. I’ve directly seen two examples of their fastners failing and have seen internet documentation (for what it is worth) of several similar situations. My coworker, who is much more metallurgically minded than myself, inspected one set and seemed to think they were overly hardened. The consensus seems to be they do not have a consistent heat treat.
‘HM Defense’ has the Cam Pin “Pocket” on their bolts to “aid in lubricating” the internals of the BOLT carrier group as mentioned. They call it the ‘HMB bolt’...my understanding is THEY R & D’d it. I didn’t know 2 companies offered the innovation...
They’re not staked because they don’t really need to be. Young puts recoil lugs on their gas keys, which distributes a lot of the force put on the fasteners. It’s also not really out of spec compared to anything else. I don’t think anything has ever been totally in-spec according to this channel. What issues do exist with these are fairly minor.
I have no horse in this race..however I was wondering if either you Chad, or anyone in the comments have had one of these Young mfg carrier keys come loose or heard of it happening?
InRange/Brownells uses this bolt carrier group on the WWSD2020 rifle. A commenter mentioned your channel. I'm glad I found you, subbed.
I’m here for the same reason. Although it isn’t the SAME bolt carrier group ours doesn’t have a through hole in the bolt and these do. But same manufacturer. It will be interesting to see.
It’s also good to mention since it has a through hole it may also not have the gas key lug and one of the only 2 failures here was in the gas key alignment so the lugged version may fix that issue (if it is one).
@@ryanbecquer3496 The carrier is probably the same. The hole you're talking about is in the bolt, not the carrier.
@@billstevens5277 the bolt is a part of the bolt carrier group. The lug I’m talking about is under the gas key which is on the bolt carrier and key which we can’t see in the video.
@@ryanbecquer3496 I thought that alignment lug for the carrier was a great idea.
I thought I knew a lot about the anatomy of the M16/AR15. Been using one version or another for nearly 40 years.
The level of detail in your inspections is impressive. Many more tools need to be added to my toolbox.
Maybe I'm a nerd, but I love this stuff. For most people, it's "good enough" For me - If I'm going to do something, I want to be as close to perfect as possible".
You've got a convert, and subscriber.
As a Gunsmith of over 10 years, I can tell you that 99% of people think they can build a Ar-15. ( slapping together every cheap part they can buy) And can't figure out why their rifle won't work... my bread and butter right there. Gunsmithing, the profession where you need a great poker face when explaing to customers how ignorant they are on tolerance. I have found 3 non plum/straight barrel extentions in the past 2 months alone....
@@xunheilvsnipezx3324 Definitely true. I build/assemble AR rifles/pistols, and I am very particular about what components I use. Most people don't understand "tolerance stacking" and buy a bunch of parts and say, "they'll all within spec" and wonder why they have what Elmer Fudd might call a "wanker wifle".
@@xunheilvsnipezx3324 just headspace gauges - most who consider ARs “just like Legos” don’t bother checking headspace. I started hand loading long before I assembled an AR so I wouldn’t dream of *not* checking headspace.
I like reading the butthurt people in comments that somehow take it personal when a part they use gets torn apart.. I never understood someone's ego getting tied up into the brand they buy..
Exactly. I own two of these BCGs and I'm glad for the information. I'll be monitoring them closely for issues.
I have been wanting to get a YM BCG for my next rifle, but dang. Those are expensive parts to be out of spec in any way..
$300 now too
These are not carriers you buy to be milspec, you buy them for the considerable bump in accuracy they provide. I've had a NM side charging bolt and it's been flawless for 5 years now, gun shoots cloverleaf groups at 200 yards without issue.
Doesn't matter, they are out of stock on practically everything.
@@russnixon6020 Yep, I was really wanting a 6.5 grendel bolt from them, un-obtainable sadly
@@PineyJusticenot gonna get better accuracy given that the match grade bolt had looser tolerances than the regular bolt…
I have a Young NM carrier in a 10.3” full auto. Thousands of rounds and had it hot enough to glow the Gas tube and suppressor numerous times. Never had any gas key loosening issues.
Sure you do, buddy.
I’m using an RLL full auto host and young makes about the only RLL-specific bolt carrier out there, so it’s certainly about the highest/best quality RLL compatible carrier... unless you want to run an un shrouded SP1 carrier from the 70’s/80’s. So of course I run the Young RLL carrier and it’s been fantastic.
@@rustyshackleford8473 Is that so hard to believe?
I know what you mea I’ve got 4 in my colts,love ‘em ..I think they’re great!
I really love the videos, lots of great information! I know you never get any suggestions for BCGs to consider for your autopsy’s, Ha! Smith Enterprise out of Arizona and LMT would be ones I’d like to see! Thanks again for your videos.
YFS is a Taiwan company. Not China. Big difference.
Maybe a physical on Aero Precision parts in future. Very informative and helpful videos 👍
I was waiting for this one. I was hoping for the HMB bolt.
I wonder if you could modify an existing tool to squarely cut off the bolt tail a thousandth at a time? A hand crank case length trimmer comes to mind.
Just use a file. But I’m not sure if you would actually be seeing problems with it unless you were running some really crap ammo.
Good luck getting through that hard chrome with a hand tool.
Your videos are my favorite
Wish I would’ve seen this sooner.
I just started watching your videos...wow is all I got...so I have heard you say you offer classes?? I would like to know where,when and how much?? I think I would really like to be a student and get some real knowledge... Lol...how much would be nice too
Which coating/treatment is in your opinion best for the BCG?
Would you prefer hard chrome, QPQ or something completely different?
Chad is a hard chrome guy.
kinda blows my mind how many expensive, "top tier" products have issues
wow... i was not expecting Young to fail this one.
WWSD2020 brought me here too. I wish the gas keys could have been removed to see if these also have the recoil lugs and recess. If they do, I'd take that over staking 8 days a week. Seeing the NM fail on firing pin protrusion make me wonder if that is intentional... reducing firing pin impact velocity is a thing for bolt action match rifles.
I'd bet that right. Some bolt carrier are modified so you can use softer primers too like the 205m feds without slam fires.
@@brandonsjsj 205 ms soft?
@@greybone777 yes federal primers are softer then any other primer I've ran across.
Lol okay inrange fanboys shocked their gurus recommended bad product
@@Photosbybb Young BCGs aren’t bad products, guess you think KAC makes bad products because one of their BCGs failed one of the tests before too.
Would you consider doing a physical on a surefire obc?
I was pretty sure he already did? I could be mistaken though
No stake no buy
Hey dude I really love your videos. Not only do the micrometers tell the truth. But I really appreciate that you don't have any dog in the fight. And what the specs are is what they are
Based on this physical, I would not want to get a BCG from this company. Have you had the opportunity to check out Cryptic Coatings' BCG's? I know they use Toolcraft, but they still have their own QC process and do their own coatings.
Why?
Chad has said himself that these are small sample sizes and you shouldn’t judge a product off of these tests.
Oddly my young HMB bolt carrier does not have YFS screws I wonder how much they have changed besides that?
Supposedly they are phasing out the chromed extractor and cam pin as well.
How's the AO precision BCG holding up do there bolts hold up better than Toolcraft
In another video he replied to a comment recommending the AO precision phosphate.
I never knew the term “ carrier belly” know that I know the term I have question I’ve been wanting to ask someone knowledgeable..on most of my bcgs including colts I noticed that the bevel on the front of the carrier belly is never centered.the young’s in this video are beveled evenly...why do companies not center the bevel? Hopefully you know what I’m trying to ask lol
They should be angled to assist pushing the bolt catch down if it jumps up.
What is the purpose of checking for magnetizism?
Because if you are running steel cased ammo it can be an issue.
in your opinion what mfg makes the best most durable bcgs
How do you headspace without removing (or overcoming the spring tension on) the ejector? Shouldn't the ejector be compressing and fighting you as you push the bolt into your test barrel?
Those headspace gauges are cut to clear the extractor, you can see they have a narrow tail.
I would have liked to see you inspect one of their standard carriers.
Have you done a work on a sharps rifle company bcg?
You can order them with the HMB closed off bolt or a regular style bolt, whichever you prefer.
YFS fasteners? Good? Bad? No staking? What lock tight do they use? Rock Set?
YFS = bad. No staking = bad. Not sure on the chemical used.
Hey Chad, I love the videos. What I really want to see added to these videos is the remedies you employ to fix some of the issues you encounter. For example on this video when there isn't enough firing pin protrusion, do you file down the end of the bolt or have an alternative remedy?
I'm curious about this also. I have a YHM BCG and the bolt is longer than normal when measured with calipers. As a result, the firing pin doesn't protrude nearly as much, and I suspect it would fail your test. What would a proposed solution be? 5.45 Firing pin?
@@hairydogstail he probably has tons of firing pins laying about that he could find one that's just a bit longer to accommodate
Machinist to lengthen the bolt bore a couple thousandth.
What are your thoughts on the older stoner solid firing pin retainers? One piece gas rings? Why is magnetism important? I have a theory only.
He’s stated before he isn’t a fan of helical gas rings, magnetic components attract metal shavings.
well this video saved me $300 lol
All looks for this bolt imo.
I bought my young hmb bolt and it fails to hold itself up on the gas ring check, seems to work just fine, just seems odd being brand new and almost 400 bucks
U got shilled some bad stuff
@BBPhoto413 Man you sure have a vendetta.
So if you had to run this, go with Nation Match Bolt Carrier and standard Bolt. And why not stake?
They say they don’t stake because their gas keys actually have small recoil lugs underneath that mean a lot of the force otherwise delivered straight to those fasteners goes into the lugs. That makes staking sort of redundant.
Soooo.....they all send them to you. Pass or fail no bs. 👍🏼
High five for those who are here because of the WWSD2020
so is yfs a bad thing ?
Armorer here. I’ve directly seen two examples of their fastners failing and have seen internet documentation (for what it is worth) of several similar situations. My coworker, who is much more metallurgically minded than myself, inspected one set and seemed to think they were overly hardened. The consensus seems to be they do not have a consistent heat treat.
Why not stake the gas key?
Keep in mind that your method is not the mil method of checking gas ring serviceability
Why is "Magnetism" relevant???
Because if you are running steel cased ammo it can be an issue.
I wonder if Young would sell me a NM carrier only so I could put together my own BCG combo
The bolt OAL should have been measured.
If you're using these bcgs don't be surprised with light primer strikes,gas key problems ect.
Why is magnetism important?
Because if you are running steel cased ammo it can be an issue.
‘HM Defense’ has the Cam Pin “Pocket” on their bolts to “aid in lubricating” the internals of the BOLT carrier group as mentioned. They call it the ‘HMB bolt’...my understanding is THEY R & D’d it. I didn’t know 2 companies offered the innovation...
HM Defense Manufacturing also have a complete bcg with their specific bolt.
Why pay $300 for something this out of spec and not staked? Are they worth it?
They’re not staked because they don’t really need to be. Young puts recoil lugs on their gas keys, which distributes a lot of the force put on the fasteners. It’s also not really out of spec compared to anything else. I don’t think anything has ever been totally in-spec according to this channel. What issues do exist with these are fairly minor.
@knifedance2402 Yeah, seems awful nitpicky and the usual gun crowds aversion to change.
I have no horse in this race..however I was wondering if either you Chad, or anyone in the comments have had one of these Young mfg carrier keys come loose or heard of it happening?
Never herd of them and I won't be buying from them.
I use YMFG bolts for 7.62x39 and work great
Y/M finds the need to engrave made in the USA on the side of there carriers but use Chinese fasteners on there gas keys . That bothers me
SotAR: These parts are so out of spec, they should be x.xX
Terrorists around the globe: Write that down!
ISNT THERE ANY BRAND BCG THAT IS ON SPECS COMPLETELY. VERY DISSAPOINTING
Watch the Forward Controls BCG physical.
Wow. Shame on these guys. Charging a premium and not passing. Where the QC in the price?
THANKS
Has anyone ever actually seen a failed YFS fastener on a gas key? As far as I can tell that's some ARFCOM "muh made in murica" meme.
KAC used to use YFS screws and had a few sheer off on their sandcutters.
nogo
Dang, what a disappointment
Junk