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Rorke's Drift: New stories by the men who were there
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Today I am joined by Ian Knight and Lee Stevenson - authors of a new book series about the Battle of Rorke's Drift.
The two books "Rorke's Drift: By those who were there' can be purchased via this link amzn.to/3rl7aVR
I filmed this at the Clash of Empires exhibition currently taking place at the Royal Philatelic Society in London (until the end of July). You can sign up for tickets over at www.clashofemp...
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For those of us unable to attend, these videos are fantastic...thank you❤ much respect to you and all Historians/researchers who do their best to give both sides of the story.
Thanks a lot. It makes me very happy to know that you are enjoying them.
Finishing off the wounded Zulus makes sense. They were not able to provide first aid for so many and it would be cruel to leave them to suffer a slow, agonizing death in the sun. Keep in mind the Zulu disembowelled their enemies so as to release the spirit so it wouldn;t haunt them. They didn;t usually take prisoners. We also need to think of this in terms of men of the 1870s, not 2020s.
I read an account of the Zulus finishing off their serious wounded with an assegai under the armpit.
Yes..The German Nazis killed Jews to save them from starvation.
Absolutely can't blame them. Its life or death, there aren't many of you and there are thousands of them, a wounded man is still deadly.....what if he were faking and slipped up on you, one less to defend your side, you were both willing to kill each other or you wouldn't be there.
Chris, I’d just like to add to my previous comment, that all the work and effort you put into your interviews etc. Is much appreciated by like minded followers of military history.👍
Thanks a lot. These sort of comments really make it all worth while.
Not lame at all Chris. Everybody has their likes and hobbies. We just happen to like military history. It's harmless fun!
The lame show their lameness by denigrating the interests of others.
As far as I'm concerned, it's the "common man's story" that sparks the interest of historey. The general story is so well thought out, that nerds like me crave details. Well done, more of that please!
Very good point, the "common man's story" makes it more real.
I'm not sure why killing the Zulu wounded would be controversial back then, I'm not sure the Zulu took many prisoners at Isandlwana!
The fact that there were no antibiotics and stomach wounds (bayonet or bullet) that pentrated the bowels would be painfully fatal to the receptiant within a week. Mercy for so many wounded and no medical care or morphine.
It's controversial especially now in the 21st century.
Good answer. Those 2 sounded like a pair of apologists for the "noble savage" !
The main weapons of the zulus were the asagai (short stabbing spear) and the knobkerrie (a form of club). At lsandlwana id bet most of the British soldiers would not have been killed outright, but merely stunned or wounded and could no longer defend themselves.
When all resistance ceased, the zulus then went round systematically butchering all the soldiers. The involved the men being stripped and then disembowelled....while they were still alive !!!
....funny that these 2 failed to mention any of these facts.
But maybe its not PC nowerdays to talk about unpleasant truths !
Also, in the morning when the zulus retreated, the soldiers returned to the hospital to see if any of their comrades had survived the night (a lot of the men were either too sick or could not escape as the only door opened up to the oncoming zulus)...only to find them all dead. Butchered as to be unrecognisable !
The British lads knew that would have been their fate too...if they had not fought like Lions...and a Bayonet...with some guts behind it ! 😊
Thanks for the video.
I had the privilege of visiting Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift when David Rattray was alive and walked the Fugitive's Trail with him. The Isandlwana battlefield and trail was littered with white painted cairns beneath which, still lay the remains of British soldiers, also pursued and killed by the Zulus - wounded included.
Rattray had many Zulu accounts and I remember him saying that the Zulu would remove most of their dead and wounded - dragging them away on their shields, with only the severely wounded left behind. Perhaps despatching these unfortunate men after Rorke's Drift was a mercy?
Having seen what a .450 bullet, fired from a Martini Henry, does to a dead cow, most hits to the body, would not have been survivable in 1879.
Ive still got my day of the dead moon story from david and they amazing
The military history people are inflicted, I'm glad I'm a fellow inflicted person. I listen to we have ways with Al Murray who visited the battlefield recently. ✌️
afflicted?
@@WNH3 yes, a common in house joke phrase to describe our interest.
Much respect for all your efforts … keep it up.
Congrats on 40k subs, well deserved 😊
Cheers for that. It’s been a slow painful growth but at least I’m slowly getting to spread the word about subjects that I love. Appreciate all your comments mate
The truth of history should be open good and bad, all should be taught!
I'd love to have a pint with Ian Knight and talk the Anglo-Zulu War.
To quote Wilbur Smith " war makes monsters of us all " nice work Chris 👍
Hi Chris, another fascinating interview to finish your week on. It was great to meet you and see you at work, early on Wednesday morning. To hear the first hand accounts, is fascinating. Keep up the excellent work.👍 Cheers. Alex.
met you briefly at the exhibition
and we thank you Chris learnt so much from you and you videos
all the best mate
Thanks Andy. Was fantastic to meet. It was great to be part of the event. Hope to see you again!
Thank you for sharing this. As a former soldier I cherish the truth of the circumstances, and I do feel dejected that the film of the circumstances leading up to, and during the battle was changed for being sensational. I believe a great injustice was done to Pte. Henry HOOK and Otto WITT. Enough said.
Honestly, these videos are just fantastic and anybody who mocks what you do can go and phuma kimi !
Phuma kimi? I'm afraid to ask for a translation! 😅
Loved the Clash of Empires exhibition, but your videos fleshed out aspects that have made it more interesting, thanks
Thanks Chris. Appreciate it. Being an American I cannot attend, but the video is good enough for me. Someday I plan on meeting both you and Ian. Thanks again.
It would be great to meet one day. Let's hope it happens. Glad you enjoyed the videpos
Excellent. Thank You.
The facts lay bare the horrors of war.
Hi Chris. Just wanted to say thanks for letting me know about the exhibition via your channel. I think I would have missed it otherwise. I went along on Friday and it was superb. Thanks again. Brilliant channel!
Awesome, thank you - appreciate you letting me know and I'm glad that you liked it.
Was very taken eith the zulu lay authors account of her grandmothers story and thoroughly enjoyed the run through of the infantry kit-Thanks for your continued input and efforts, much appreciated
Glad you enjoyed it. All the best and keep in touch.
Well done...
Chris,this is good stuff...the more info that comes to light the more intriguing the battle of "Jims Place" gets!!!.....We can read and listen to all the stories about the battle & so forth but it's good to doubt and keep asking questions, seeking new sources!
Very well done all involved.
Thanks a lot for the compliment - very much appreciated.
Terrific video. Your enthusiasm made it exciting to hear new facts and details i didn't know. I really enjoyed it. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it - it was brilliant to meet Ian Knight in person and learn from him.
More great content, Chris. Keep going. As for the “mockers” , these are people who have no understanding of that forgotten word, “honour”. Ignore them, mate. They have no understanding of the integral role the British armed forces played in establishing the empire that brought immeasurable gifts to the “colonies” and the world (e.g. rule of law). It makes me very angry to hear of idiots mocking the memory of heroes who built our current world (with all of its flaws) and fought off the tyranny of the Hohenzollerns, Nazis, and Soviet Communists.
I am probably going to be controversial here. The first thing, is that I understood that at Rorke's Drift the unscrewed all the Martini ammunition cases before the battle, something not done at Islewanda, which led to a shortage of ammunition, and disaster there.
I also suspect so many VC's were awarded for PR reasons after the earlier disaster at Islewanda. I do not mean that they were undeserved, just good PR news hides the bad news. I honestly admit, I would not have liked to have been there.
Great video, looking forward to visiting in a couple of weeks. The comment at the end really resonated with me, I went to Ypres and Cambrai last week and most people laugh at you for taking some time away from work to do that.
Enjoy the visit. Yes, people's funny looks and giggles is the cross we bear - that's why it is so nice to meet our "own people".
Brilliant set of videos. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed it!
And the Zulus always looked after the enemy's wounded... silly me
Britain took some serious hits on their road to colonization.. this wasn't the only country..
Hi mate, no one is here moralising but it doesn't mean we can't recognise that it happened. I think Ian makes the point fairly clearly. Thanks for watching and keep in touch.
There are many published letters from soldiers to friends and family in "The Red Soldier" by Frank Emery.
Yes an excellent book
I love what you are doing Chris. Keep up the great work!!
Thanks a lot - I appreciate that!
I enjoyed your words at the end. Very well said. Thank you! Regards from Canada 🇨🇦
Thanks so much, Keith. I think we must all have the same feelings. All the best.
Hello Christian, great video mate, I absolutely love military history, it shapes the world we live in, the Zulu War is of particular interest to me, I would love to see many battlefields all over the world but top of the list for me would be Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift, have a safe journey home mate, all the best, Lee.
Thanks a lot Lee and I always appreciate your comments
Excellent interview
Chris, all kudos to you, and too those you referenced who mock you . Shove it…. I’m ex Brit military of 24 years who now lives in the US. Since I stumbled on your channel a few years ago, it reignited by interest in Brit military history, especially Anglo Zulu and Boer.
I’ve been fortunate enough to have visited the battlefields a couple of times, including Mar this year. I’ve listen to the fascinating stories from both sides. There’s an old pic of David Ratray as a boy sat in the shadow of Isandlwana, listening to the elder Zulus talk….. that’s like me listened, wanting more knowledge, but also wanting to quiz some of the theories.
Next year I intend to come back and carry on my adventure.
Through you and this amazing channel, I heard of this exhibition and happen to be in going to Germany to visit old ex military friends. I was able to drop everything and to get across. I visited last Mon with my son, unfortunately before you arrived, but did manage to talk to Ian K and get my copy of Zulu Rising signed. It was well worth the 30 hour trip.
To you I say thank you and don’t stop doing what you clearly love doing. Coz it’s not only you that benefits from what you learn…. We do as well.
Take care and hope to run into you sometime in Kwa Natal.
Hi mate, that is a lovely message and very much appreciated. I hope we do get to meet. All the best mate.
A really interesting video, thanks
Thanks mate
Paused on the RD model for an age. I've read the books and seen the maps... never realised how big the defended area was - probably down to the models of the combatants. Really worthwhile video thanks.
Thanks for all your coverage of the event Chris.
No worries mate. Thanks for watching. I still have a couple of interviews in my back pocket also from the event so will share them when I can.
Thanks for this a very different viewpoint and much appreciated. as for being mocked as we would say in Yorkshire " Its nowt to do with them" and that's the polite version
I love these first hand accounts
Found on your fellowship list a picture of you and TheHistoryChap, one of my big favourites, on @redcoathistory, I'm glad you like him as your lectures overlap and complement each other so nicely. You could almost say Chris cross Chris. Thank you for a lovely day in Zululand with all the lectures and features at the exhibition Clash of Empires. Tonight I will enjoy the movie Shaka Zulu as I have never seen it before. All in all, thank you for your work, which I greatly appreciate.
That is lovely to hear. Thanks so much. I did laugh at "Chris cross Chris" :-)
Great to meet you Chris - had a great day . Keep up the fantastic work
Lovely thanks a lot. It was an absolute pleasure to be there and to meet you.
It's really disappointing to hear, not only that you get mocked for your interests, but obviously sometimes you take that to heart. 40k subscribers, let and way more casual viewers demonstrates worldwide appreciation of your interests and knowledge and efforts to bring that to a wider audience. But even if no subscribers, and you never published a thing, it's not reason not to proud of what you do and your interests. Don't let those who sneer and mock get you down, they are not worth it!
Thanks Andrew, I really appreciate that comment. All the best mate
Really interesting. Many thanks. What a great display too! :)
Thank you Chris.
Very welcome and all the best.
I know nothing about this compared to y’all. Being a Texan it reminds me of the Alamo but with a happier ending. I’ve always imagined the Zulu casualty number to be higher. I wash shocked to hear how long the battle lasted. The Alamo siege went on for 13 days but the final stand was probably done within an hour. Too bad our Texans didn’t have the Martini Henry
Hi, thanks a lot for waching. I don't know much about the Alamo but would love to visit and make a film there one day. If I ever moved to the USA then Texas would be the place for me!
Wow wheres this. I love this story
Based on your recommendation, I’ve bought Vol 1 of their book.
as for the killing of the wounded it was war. what were the British defenders going to do with them. they had really 2 choices leave them to die or finish them off. if your go out and kill the wounded you don't have to worry about them maybe getting a shot off later risking on of your men after the battle but before the wounded died and also you as the defenders have to sit there and listen to men dieing and even if they are your enemies that is hard to listen too. or option 2 kill them while the emotions are high zero risk later no strain on your supplies and you don't have to listen to the Zulu slowing dieing.
Great work mate thanks for sharing Chris.
Thanks mate - glad you liked it
Very interesting
Glad you think so!
Perfidious Albion - W. Shakespeare
Thanks for these videos and the ones that continue to look for more info/stories to help expand what happened.
How did the Zulus treat the British wounded ? War is war and it is about you winning it.
I hope I don't ever have to cross swords with you! :-) In fairness this is a tricky one. I'm not here to make moral judgements but I think its important to recognise that it happened.
@@redcoathistory
Of course it happened. And especially if you have no men to spare.
Fantástico, outra vez 👌👌
Obrigado!
I don't mock any military history. To me it's quite interesting.
I am sure the lads og the 24th Foot knew what the Zulus did to soldiers they defeated ..... and what had just happened to their mates at Isandlwana. Some revenge was taken after the battle.
More that 10,000 people are killed (euthanised) by the Canadian medical profession each year - & rising -in the midst of a wealthy Western country enormous clinical resources available. The wounded Zulu weren't just 'wounded', but all severely wounded, unable to stagger off even aided by their friends & comrades, carried on shields, etc. They had been left to die, according to the hardy Zulu life.. On a remote & still-threatened outpost, what alternative had the soldier but to end the suffering - perhaps doing what Canadian doctors would have prescribed anyway!
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@@tomberg5564 ?
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And it must be said that had the Zulu’s won they would have killed all our wounded as they did at Islandlwana .
How many times can that guy say " sort of" in 10 minutes
no tales from the zulu boys
No written language at the time sadly. Quite a few oral accounts from Isandlwana that are very important 👍🏼
What about Pvt Cole
Chris, I have made a few attempts to contact Will 71 from Brecon museum regarding artifacts found on the Isandhlwana and Rorke's drift battlefields. I would like to donate them to the museum. Do you know how I might go about contacting the museum ?
Hi mate - I'm afraid I haven't ever spoken to the museum (hopefully one day!). If I find out I'll let you know.
@@redcoathistory thank you very much Chris.
60,000 plus rounds of ammunition expended roughly 400 Zulus killed just doesn’t add up
Have any surviors of isandlwana ever been interviewed?
Yes, many of them. You may enjoy Ian Knight's other book - Zulu Rising
killing of zulu wounded is controversial??? Brits fighting for their lives dont got time to secure or guard a determined threat...of course you would do that...next
Hi mate. We aren't here making moral judgements. Each viewer must decide for themselves if it was correct or not. But yes, British soldiers killing wounded enemy combatants, in any war, is a controversial subject. If you think it isn't then I'm surprised. It would make us bad historians if we didn't mention it.
I can show you a car In the film Zulu
So can most people who have seen the film,no big deal.
Tell ne where it is then ?
Nothing controversial about it at all imo.
No Geneva Conventions in those days , the British wounded were despatched at Ishandlawana without any comments so what’s the difference , in fact the butchering of the British by the Zulus May have even contributed to the no quarter given at Rorkes drift if indeed that had got back,and for the reasons stated plus what If the wounded weren’t so wounded that they could rejoin the fighting?
No brainer 🧠
Great work mate don't worry about those who moke you for it , they probably have real stupid interests,
Yes those evil British, when in fact the Zulus were helping the wounded British at Isandlwana
I don’t think anyone is saying that. No one is making moral judgements, just saying what happened.
Idiot