I have no idea why Americans drop the 'L' in the pronunciation, but it annoys the hell out of me. I only picked up on this a few years ago but it grates against me every time I hear it. It is pronounced "sole-der", the same way folder is pronounced. Unless you drop the 'L' there too?
This is a pet peeve of mine, and I am American. When I first started putting together small electronic kits as a young teen (way before anyone had access to the internet or youtube videos), I had never heard the world solder pronounced (or at least not that I remembered), so I pronounced it the way it was spelled: "sole-der." Later on when discussing soldering with someone else they asked me why I pronounced it that way and told me it was pronounced "sodder" here in the USA. I immediately asked why it wasn't spelled that way, and they didn't know. 😄 Even all these years later I still pronounce it "sole-der" in my head, but I pronounce it "sodder" when speaking to others. 🤷♂️
Ignore the guy above, you pronounced it the correct way, at least the correct way in Britain. When I first heard and American say solder it was both confusing and kind of hard on the ears..
I do wonder what happened here as it is (to me at least) a significant anomaly, especially after the rationalisation of the spelling of English words that took place in America by Webster to match the normal pronunciation, like COLOUR to COLOR. As you can see (hear), in England the L in SOLDER is pronounced, in America it’s not. Very strange, especially as they are still spelled (spelt) the same way, no correction having been made by Webster. The word solder derives from Latin ‘solidare’, as in making separate pieces solid, and I believe that the word SOLID does not lose the pronounced L in America. Do any other words lose a similarly placed L in the American version of English? I’ve not (yet) heard any Americans say COLDER as CODDER, nor BOLDER as BODDER, so I think it’s definitely not normal, and I’m fairly sure that it’s not something that happens in England’s English. Do correct me if you know of any other silent L’s used in the English language. Over here in England I don’t believe we have the word SODDER, but if we did we would probably use it as a term for someone that performs sodomy. Certainly the word SOD exists over here and is usually used as a term of abuse, commonly as in ‘sod off’, analogous to ‘f..k off’. You can see from the closeness of SODDER to these other meanings why it is a pronunciation that makes those outside America (that also speak English) wince when they hear it. I certainly do as I have been successfully soLdering for over 60 years over here in England! Is there an explanation for this change in pronunciation? Is it perhaps an intentional mis-spelling by American welders who thought that soldering was so inferior that it was worth using a derogatory modification of the word solder to sodder to impart a feeling of superiority, but that has now crept into normal usage in America? Any idea?
@@mjremy2605 - ok, but can you explain WHY the French pronunciation option came into the American language? Most American pronunciations are strictly as per the spelling, but this seems to stand out as a real anomaly. Admittedly, many old English place names are pronounced nothing like their spelling (take Trottiscliffe for example), but English is a real bastard of a language from many sources, and many spellings were phonetic from strong regional accents then written down by the barely literate. I really don’t mind how solder is said, I’m just really curious as to why the difference. If it was, say, an influx (sorry) to America of French specialist solderers to, say, support the manufacture of some weapons in the civil war, then that would be great and understandable. But is it?
@@mjremy2605 - Well, all very interesting, and with a French surname your proposal should carry more weight with regard to French related etymology. However, I’m not convinced of your argument. Firstly, you ascertain that ‘a lot of Blacksmiths(*) were French and Italian’, but a) surely they were in a small minority, and b) if the assertion is true then, despite likely being a tiny minority, would the spelling not have reflected the pronunciation? The answer that I’m heading towards is that the general American accent does not lend itself well to the pronunciation of some letter combinations that require ‘unusual’ mouth contortions. When I see that quite a few words are listed by Webster’s as also having a silent ‘L’, words, that as a natural Brit, in which I do pronounce the ‘L’, like calm and walk, then I do start to understand this anomaly. I am currently learning German and finding some of the pronunciations very difficult, my 70 year old mouth finding it almost impossible to get some of the required inflections to speak it correctly. My German fluent wife is amused at the difficulty I have with ‘easy’ words like Deutsche that are so natural for her to pronounce, but near impossible for me. Taking my own example, I can extend my inability to articulate unusual (to me) word constructs on to the American accent and see how difficult it would be to pronounce ‘solder’ with a spoken ‘L’ when it is not said in ‘calm’ and ‘walk’. The anomaly has now evaporated in my rationalisation! Bottom line, it’s not miss-spelt (sic!), it’s not from the French, it’s just the American accent getting in the way and has to be accommodated in many apparent mispronunciations. I’m happy with that explanation. Are you? PS In Liverpudlian the dropped ‘L’ is also common, again because the accent doesn’t lend itself to that construct, to which the only reply is “Caam darn, caam darn…” 🤣
-- Yanklish -- Easy word rhymes: bolder, colder, folder, scolder, holder, solder. I confess, I find it odder: Yanks insist that solder's "SODDER" ... 🙄
I'm Australian too, and whenever I hear the Americans say the word Solder in any DIY videos, they make my ears bleed, but they do make good content though
Doing things the wrong way, then calling it "American way". You can't have too many exceptions in a language before it is rendered useless. Write it the way you pronounce it. THAT should be the way to go. Not this.
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I have no idea why Americans drop the 'L' in the pronunciation, but it annoys the hell out of me. I only picked up on this a few years ago but it grates against me every time I hear it. It is pronounced "sole-der", the same way folder is pronounced. Unless you drop the 'L' there too?
My tution teacher pronounces it like 'soldier' 🤣🤣🤣
The word solder comes from the Middle English word soudur. Many words have silent letters.
@@reoman98actually it derives from the Latin 'solidare' . The English pronunciation (as in from England) 'sole-der' reflects this
This is a pet peeve of mine, and I am American. When I first started putting together small electronic kits as a young teen (way before anyone had access to the internet or youtube videos), I had never heard the world solder pronounced (or at least not that I remembered), so I pronounced it the way it was spelled: "sole-der." Later on when discussing soldering with someone else they asked me why I pronounced it that way and told me it was pronounced "sodder" here in the USA. I immediately asked why it wasn't spelled that way, and they didn't know. 😄 Even all these years later I still pronounce it "sole-der" in my head, but I pronounce it "sodder" when speaking to others. 🤷♂️
Solder comes from the Middle English word soudur.
Ignore the guy above, you pronounced it the correct way, at least the correct way in Britain. When I first heard and American say solder it was both confusing and kind of hard on the ears..
@@edenjaycollins6055So should everyone also say co-lo-nel (rather than kerr-nel)? Even Brits do not do that
I do wonder what happened here as it is (to me at least) a significant anomaly, especially after the rationalisation of the spelling of English words that took place in America by Webster to match the normal pronunciation, like COLOUR to COLOR. As you can see (hear), in England the L in SOLDER is pronounced, in America it’s not. Very strange, especially as they are still spelled (spelt) the same way, no correction having been made by Webster.
The word solder derives from Latin ‘solidare’, as in making separate pieces solid, and I believe that the word SOLID does not lose the pronounced L in America. Do any other words lose a similarly placed L in the American version of English? I’ve not (yet) heard any Americans say COLDER as CODDER, nor BOLDER as BODDER, so I think it’s definitely not normal, and I’m fairly sure that it’s not something that happens in England’s English. Do correct me if you know of any other silent L’s used in the English language.
Over here in England I don’t believe we have the word SODDER, but if we did we would probably use it as a term for someone that performs sodomy. Certainly the word SOD exists over here and is usually used as a term of abuse, commonly as in ‘sod off’, analogous to ‘f..k off’. You can see from the closeness of SODDER to these other meanings why it is a pronunciation that makes those outside America (that also speak English) wince when they hear it. I certainly do as I have been successfully soLdering for over 60 years over here in England!
Is there an explanation for this change in pronunciation? Is it perhaps an intentional mis-spelling by American welders who thought that soldering was so inferior that it was worth using a derogatory modification of the word solder to sodder to impart a feeling of superiority, but that has now crept into normal usage in America? Any idea?
@@mjremy2605 - ok, but can you explain WHY the French pronunciation option came into the American language? Most American pronunciations are strictly as per the spelling, but this seems to stand out as a real anomaly. Admittedly, many old English place names are pronounced nothing like their spelling (take Trottiscliffe for example), but English is a real bastard of a language from many sources, and many spellings were phonetic from strong regional accents then written down by the barely literate.
I really don’t mind how solder is said, I’m just really curious as to why the difference. If it was, say, an influx (sorry) to America of French specialist solderers to, say, support the manufacture of some weapons in the civil war, then that would be great and understandable. But is it?
@@mjremy2605 - Well, all very interesting, and with a French surname your proposal should carry more weight with regard to French related etymology. However, I’m not convinced of your argument. Firstly, you ascertain that ‘a lot of Blacksmiths(*) were French and Italian’, but a) surely they were in a small minority, and b) if the assertion is true then, despite likely being a tiny minority, would the spelling not have reflected the pronunciation?
The answer that I’m heading towards is that the general American accent does not lend itself well to the pronunciation of some letter combinations that require ‘unusual’ mouth contortions. When I see that quite a few words are listed by Webster’s as also having a silent ‘L’, words, that as a natural Brit, in which I do pronounce the ‘L’, like calm and walk, then I do start to understand this anomaly. I am currently learning German and finding some of the pronunciations very difficult, my 70 year old mouth finding it almost impossible to get some of the required inflections to speak it correctly. My German fluent wife is amused at the difficulty I have with ‘easy’ words like Deutsche that are so natural for her to pronounce, but near impossible for me. Taking my own example, I can extend my inability to articulate unusual (to me) word constructs on to the American accent and see how difficult it would be to pronounce ‘solder’ with a spoken ‘L’ when it is not said in ‘calm’ and ‘walk’. The anomaly has now evaporated in my rationalisation!
Bottom line, it’s not miss-spelt (sic!), it’s not from the French, it’s just the American accent getting in the way and has to be accommodated in many apparent mispronunciations. I’m happy with that explanation. Are you?
PS In Liverpudlian the dropped ‘L’ is also common, again because the accent doesn’t lend itself to that construct, to which the only reply is “Caam darn, caam darn…” 🤣
-- Yanklish --
Easy word rhymes: bolder, colder, folder, scolder, holder, solder.
I confess, I find it odder: Yanks insist that solder's "SODDER" ...
🙄
Thx for all the examples by many different ppl. I like this.
Glad to hear you like our approach!
Yes, I noticed that Americans pronunce Solder with at silent L...... I am Australian and we pronounce it Sole der.
I'm Australian too, and whenever I hear the Americans say the word Solder in any DIY videos, they make my ears bleed, but they do make good content though
It’s Sol der, not sod er. If yanks want to change the pronunciation, change the spelling.
Gloucester sends its regards.
How many american soddiers are still over in Afghanistan? Go on, prove me wrong...
Bruh this might start world war 3
I really do wonder how rubbish like 'sodder' got started. Probably some innocent mistake that someone just grabbed and ran with...
because people are lazy - it's solder NOT sarder
My thoughts exactly! It's like that Spanish king who had a lisp so everyone around started lisping as well and it became a part of the accent.
I don't know but there's no "w" nor do they have an east coast accent from the U.S..
@@OtisDeLarge i remember learning that in spanish 1 lol
Language evolves. Written words used to reflect real-world pronunciation. Written words aren’t used to prescribe language or pronunciation.
Doing things the wrong way, then calling it "American way".
You can't have too many exceptions in a language before it is rendered useless. Write it the way you pronounce it. THAT should be the way to go. Not this.
Can the Brits please spell "draft" properly and also pronounce "clerk" correctly? That would be great, thanks.
Bullshit.