Why I Won’t Learn Esperanto - A Response.
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- In this vlog, I respond to an old blog post made by the Mezzoguild on why he won't learn Esperanto.
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I’ve been learning a couple of languages over the last 3 years. First it was casual, but then I developed a dream of one day becoming a polyglot. My reason for learning languages is: “I have no idea”. I just like them. I like the fact that I can communicate with different people and make different sounds, and that they mean something to someone.
At first it was German, because why not.
Then it was Dutch, because my fiancé comes from Dutch lineage.
Then it was Spanish, because of the practicality of it here in the US.
Now it is Esperanto, because of the ease of learning, the simplicity, and the community.
Everyone I’ve met through it has been so friendly and amazing. I also am learning it with my brother, who has not learned a language before, and we are able to say simple things to each other without others knowing. It is a simple way to bond and to grow closer.
Last time I told a friend that I was learning Esperanto (the conversation was about languages), he commented it was useless. I just got quiet for the sake of my remaining sanity and time, but congrats to anyone who can concisely and politely defend its point of view.
*ex-friend ;p
It would be hard for me to maintain a friendship with someone like that. That's a very weird thing to say about anyone's interests but especially so a "friend".
Hard to call something you use "useless"
Navajo isn't useless just because it hasn't a Large population.
Anything one uses is useful. And it's important to note usefulness is a subjective quality
Whether it be useless to him or not is useless in an argument of utility when arguments should be built on objective fact, not opinion.
Hard to call something you use "useless"
Navajo isn't useless just because it hasn't a Large population.
Anything one uses is useful. And it's important to note usefulness is a subjective quality
Whether it be useless to him or not is useless in an argument of utility when arguments should be built on objective fact, not opinion.
@@DTux5249 Not to mention, you don't have to actively use a language for it to be useful. Learning a language gives you insight on the culture of those who speak the language and also on how linguistics work. Knowledge is never useless. It expands your mind and makes not only a better learner and thinker, but also encourages you to learn more and expand your mind more.
Didn't mean to watch this entire video, but it was a good response. I actually read that article before and remember rolling my eyes while I read it and thinking, "this guy just doesn't get it." Thanks for putting in the work of putting forth a response.
Thanks :)
That guy (Mezzofanti Guild) highly talked about and wanted evidence and such when it comes to programs to learn languages and such information, but when he was asked about his claims on Esperanto over and over, the closest he did was put a link. The link was to his own self written opinionated article, on how terrible Esperanto was, just regurgitating his accusations about Esperanto. I no longer took him seriously after that.
In fact, Esperanto does have a "country", we call it *_LA MONDO_* !
correction: europe
Bona respondo!
@Μαθηματική (mathimatiki) that’s lovely to hear!
@@jan_Masewin It's actually also spoken by 300 thousand people in China. Yeah, a country that literally blocked itself from the rest of the world, managed to learn Esperanto
@@cranque__7737 Esperanto spread into China as early as the 1930s.
I think Esperanto will fail when every Esperantist has died, all our books have burned and our videos destroyed. Basically, it won't fail.
Even then it would have the biggest chance to be revived : any regime burning everything and everybody Esperanto would self-identify as totalitarian or anti-humanistic, and once defeated such a regime, let us say some form of Islamism or American Evangelism, would fatally give way to a contrary fashion heroizing Esperanto among other symbols.
@@MrMirville Bone dirita! Tiu ĉi lumo neniam estingiĝos!
It is incumbent upon us to prevent that finmalvenko (the information-theoretic death of the language of the hoper) from happening - it isn't a law of nature. Ensure the works are as propagated as possible, that the fundamento and the corrigenda the language's users have implicited added to it are as translated as possible, both into the language itself, other "auxlangs", and into ethnic languages. Also take steps to ensure that the climate remains livable for people and beings who can speak the language and other human languages.
The 'Esperanto has no culture' idea was echoed by J.R.R. Tolkien when his earlier enthusiasm for Esperanto had subsided: "Volapük, Esperanto, Ido, Novial, &c &c are dead, far deader than ancient unused languages, because their authors never invented any Esperanto legends."
I have written elsewhere,
"Arguably, Tolkien was wrong about Esperanto - but for exactly the right reason. Unlike the other languages he mentions, Esperanto does indeed have its own mythology. It does not consist of magical legends, but is a kind of political mythology of hope, a shared belief among its speakers that the world would be a better and friendlier place if everyone in the world could communicate across borders as easily as Esperantists do, in a language that belongs to no single nation or people. This notion, called the _interna_ _ideo_ by Esperantists, is sometimes a source of embarrassment. Nevertheless, this idealism pervades much of Esperanto literature, especially from the first fifty years of its existence. Many, if not most, biographies of Zamenhof tend to mythologize his life, treating the behavior of some of those who tried to gain control of Esperanto's development with the sort of language usually reserved for the likes of a Lucifer or Sauron. So, if Esperanto is not dead, it is precisely because there are legends and myths connected with the language." This, I suppose, is what Mezzoguild means by a cultlike worship of Zamenhof, but that's a stretch.
I disagree since many Esperantists don't believe in the Fina Venko. Language is a part of culture and the shared language, slang, books, jokes, media etc. and people of different backgrounds connecting by having this shared language and identity as Esperantists, people of diverse backgrounds made one through this artificial auxiliary language.
Its pretty typical since people worship JRR Tolkien
We could just ignore that 'old blog', but in responding to it you have created one of the best serious-minded videos on Esperanto you have ever created. Congratulations, but don't neglect the off-beat ones!
Will do!
Vivu Esperanto!
My nativ language is slavic. I learned english in school for 10 years.
Is it worth learning any other language then English? I learned French for two years. I learned Italian for four years. I have traveled nether to France nor to Italy. I visited Hungary, Germany, Russia, Romania and Holland. I listened a lot to french and italian musik. I had the opportunity to talk to some italians (3-4 times) about 1 hour in total. I am not capable to watch films or news nor to read literature in original.
I have been learning Esperanto for two years. After three months of study I started reading my first novel (using dictionary a lot at the beginning) . I have red few books, I can understand videos, news and radio podcasts. Few times a month I participate in chat meetings on the Internet on various topics. I'm not fluent yet.
In my case, the ratio of benefits to the effort invested in learning is convincigly in favor of Esperanto.
There's a saying, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing". How true it is, but unfortunately, people who have a little or no knowledge on a subject, generally act as if they hold PHDs in them, and they go on influencing us. BTW I have started learning Esperanto since yesterday, and I am super excited to start this journey.
> but unfortunately, people who have a little or no knowledge on a subject, generally act as if they hold PHDs in them, and they go on influencing us
Nu, tio estas la ekzakta kialo, ke malmulte da scio estas danĝera afero.
"Donovan" has been pushing this anti-Esperanto line *for many years* (he is in his own small way somewhat notorious for it) and he has been consistently exposed to better information by many, many people in almost as many discussions, for just as many years, but he's diligently refused to alter his position in any meaningful way. (His attempt to define "culture" in a way to exclude Esperanto culture -- even if it renders the definition useless, is typical of what happens when he's backed into a corner by inconvenient facts.)
There is no credible way, at this point, to honestly excuse Donovan's persistent anti-Esperanto claims as stemming from mere ignorance. He has "discussed" this topic with too many well-informed people, and repeated the same lines of argument, while ignoring the same and additional evidence, in too many forums, for far too many years, for this pattern to be excused as mere "ignorance"; this appears to be active, persistent (*) malice, a sort of personal propaganda effort, probably rooted in his own "cultish" adherence to some religious &/or ideological belief system on his own part.
I hadn't intended to watch the entire video, but Richard's (Evidea's) comment that he had found Donovan to *not* be an arse, piqued my curiosity enough to watch the whole thing -- I was surprised, but because of the source, willing to consider the possibility. But it seems to me that in the end, Evildea, though bending over backwards to present Donovan as a well-meaning and honest participant in the discussion, for practical purposes has in effect demonstrated otherwise.
* he's still regularly publishing links to the article in question on social media fora such as Twitter (and I presume elsewhere as well).
I've been learning Esperanto for just six weeks now and enjoying it very much. As I got more and more into it I naturally poked around on UA-cam, initially just searching for "Esperanto". It's astonishing just how many of these blogs there are giving reasons for not learning Esperanto. Some of those unsavoury messages I'm sorry to say did get stuck in my green little mind a few weeks ago and could easily have put me off. Thanks Evildea for taking the time to answer this particularly poisonous one. I do wonder though where the motivation for these people comes from and how they can sustain it. I suspect it's just classic getting off on bashing minorities and "others" in the way of Jew or Gay hating, that sort of thing, Esperanto being a perceived threat. Pathetic, if nonetheless destructive.
I look forward to the day I can write something like this in Esperanto instead of English.
Ĉu vi nun povas fari tion?
I actually listened to the podcast were he talked about Esperanto and the venom almost turned me off from listening to the rest of his podcasts. But I figured, I should not take it personally as I was listening to learn and it was just his opinion and I don’t have to live with him.
Thank you for this response video, as usual, you taught me something new.
Yes, the venom is unmistakable. And his persistence in espousing this nonsense despite all the people over so many years trying to discuss the matter with him rationally and courteously, adds a depth to his enmity that is hard to explain. I think there must be something broken, there.
The fact you are gaining subscribers, slowly but you are, just shows that Esperanto is growing and getting better :P
Slowly but surely we'll get there haha
La kerno ne Esperanto ne emas ŝanĝiĝi.
Comparing Esperanto to a cult? The guy obviously knows little to nothing about Esperanto. Its a language (and somewhat a culture, some might say), but comparing it a cult is excessive. Why would anyone criticize a language created with the intention to encourage easy communication & world-peace? Forget him and his ignorant statements. Kudos to you for helping keep Esperanto alive. :)
The guy from Mezzofanti Guild was also asked for proof of his accusations about Esperanto, and what he did was put a link to his own self written opinionated article as evidence.
Also he did not like the Michel Thomas method, and when someone brought up, maybe the criticisms are from people who work for the company, he thought that is something that entered his mind as well. Instead of actually thinking, that there were customers who found MT programs helpful, that disagreed with him. He just had to imply employees from a well known language company find him so important, they would have many people write opposing comments about his opinion, on why he does not recommend the MT programs on UA-cam.
That right there was an indication of his EGOCENTRIC attitude.
I’m late to the party here but I’ve come to the conclusion that Esperanto (or something like it I suppose) is crucial to the preservation of other cultures and languages. The big languages are grinding the small ones to powder; Esperanto gives the little guys hope.
Bonega video, Dankon.
Kie mi povas trovi aŭ legi tiun libron? (La danĝera lingvo)
Esperanto has a fourth generation of speakers; I think that's enough of proof that it didn't fail as a language (but as international....well, it is international but not in gigantic proportions like English).
If Esperanto is a communist language, how is it that the Soviet Union itself prohibited its teaching? In the countries of the former Soviet Union, Russian was the compulsory language in schools, not Esperanto.
Esperanto is literally the only language that would take me seriously. I don't like English.
for fun..
1.- Esperanto
2.- portugues
3.- italiano
Esperanto is not communist though it is not capitalist neither. Communism is a totalitarian ideology with sacred scriptures and authors. The only thing totalitarian about Esperanto is the Fundamento. The rest is all liberal.
"Esperantistan is an ideologically homogenous landscape"
Donovano klare ne pasigis multetan da tempo en Esperantujo.
Li diris tion jam, antaŭ du jardekoj, kaj li tute ignoras ĉion ajn kontraŭan, malgraŭ klarigoj, informoj kaj spertoj de multe, multe da homoj -- li tute ne interesiĝas pri nuraj faktoj... je tiu temo, lia opinio mem estas ja tia "kulta" vidpunkto, kian li mem riproĉas.
I agree with your response to this person who said that Esperanto was cultish and associated with political/communism. He seems to be thinking this is the backdrop for the establishment of "The New World Order." Frankly, I find the languages that are most popular are the languages that bring the most money to the elitists that this fellow seems to be afraid of. For example, it seems everyone and their uncle is learning Mandarin. Ask yourself why. Esperanto seems to be the language for people who want to communicate with people; not in order to make money but to talk to people from around the world.
If someone ever told me to speak a real language, i'd just switch to Swedish, then Korean, then English... I learn plenty of "real"(by their definition) lol
No "stan" is used to parody fictional countries of ideologies. I've seen it most used to satirize anarcho-capitalism and a society based on it as Ancapistan, a fictional world where such a society/country exists
I was unaware of that. I'll remember that for the future.
@@Evildea another example is "kekistan" from when the Pepe meme became a flag/emblem of alt-right sympathizers
So Pakistan is a parody country that became real?
It's also used to imply that some country (real or imagined) has an essential ideological character similar to a Soviet "republic".
Right wingers in my own country have been prone to refer to Canada as "Canuckistan" when we have a Liberal (allegedly "left"-leaning) government (which supposedly leading the nation to a terrible, soviet-style communism, poverty, and totalitarianism).
But it's called the Esperanto COMMUNIty, as in COMMUNIsm, and it is a L-anguage as in L-enin. Coincidence? I think not...
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I've seen a few videos where someone declares they won't learn Esperanto because it is dea or useless or not enough people speak it. However, it is precisely this mindset and refusal to learn that slows its spread and stops people from learning it.
I can't say I learned anything new about Esperanto that I didn't already know, but it was fun to learn a new word in "Strine": "bogan"!
Learning a language is a very long and hard task; moreover, just a small amount of people are talented enough to deal with this terrible domain of knowledge, and I'm not this kind of guy - the majority is not. Our respective national language are something precious, because of our identiy and culture, but we live in time of human connexion and we have to find / to create tools to better understand each other; Esperanto is a pretty good one and surely some others in the futur will improve it or propose something different. Esperanto is a solution for humbe people; without it, it would be difficult to easily talk to people without studying during a long time difficult languages like chinese, german, russian or french (even if this last one is my native language). Esperanto gave me a third language and a community to speak with; I'm pretty happy of that, and I became interested more about languages thanks to it.
The solution to connect people is everywhere: in our natural languages and in constructed languages equally.
Some people - esperantist or not -, are learning Toki Pona, Interlingua, Lojban and numerous of other constructed languages, because humanity construction is a work in progress task. Personnaly, I'm happy to learn new things in Esperanto and to practice it from time to time on social networks like Twitter, Mastodon or Nubo.re (Facebook-like for esperantist), but I'm also learning another constructed language which is promising: "Lingwa De Planeta"; I wouldn't say that it'll be the next popular and widely spoken language, but it has pretty interesting ideas to explore. So it's all to me, and I apologize for this shity, long and boring english answer :)
La estonta fojo, mi versxajne uzos la esperantan, sed pro la fakto ke tiu cxi video estis en la angla, mi pensis ke eble pli tauxgis respondi en la angla. Do mi salutas vin cxiuj karaj esperantistoj, kaj ni iumaniere estontece venkos!
What made you choose "Lingwa de Planeta". The only experience I've had with that conlang was someone spamming me about how awesome it is a few years ago. I'm curious why you choose to learn it :)
@@Evildea First of all, I have to repeat that I really like esperanto and have a great pleasure to exchange with people thanks to it. But I heard many comments saying that Esperanto is too eurocentric, and I can't ignore that it's true in part. Because of that, I started to learn "Pandunia" in the first instance, but I wasn't be convinced by it, because there are oriented choices and too much things change every time; moreover it doesn't seem to me stable enough. After that, someone said to me that Pandunia is a fork of Lingwa De Planeta (or Lidepla in short), so I wondered how it could be and, today, I can say that it's pretty interesting in many ways: it works like chinese using particles for "conjugation", but we also have particles and affixes for other needs, and it uses a global vocabulary - it's what some people are waiting for.
As I already said, each time I speak about this language, I don't plane to replace Esperanto by Lidepla, because the first one is a "in use" language (and quite satisfying), and the second one is more a prototype language which can inspire us. I am this kind of man that give a chance to many humanism project, even if there are currently only a dozen of learners/speakers of Lidepla; I could simply snub this tiny community and pretty weird language, but I'm an idealist and I see beautiful promises in many isolated projects or initiatives.
Last point: you probably know how much it's hard to find volunteers to take part in a project; often enough you only have one or two people who will work hard to push something forward. In the case of Pandunia, there was only one guy who worked on french translation from the english documentation, and I was the second (and last) one who accepted to work on it - nobody wanted to work on it. Here is why I spend a bit of my time to give a hand to people who work hard to propose global/universal languages.
Hey, I think it’s pretty cool that you like to work on other conlangs. Hopefully when my Chinese is better I’ll have more time to explore some other conlangs. Thanks for the insight!
2:00 yeah, schools still just don't teach language well.
"Remember these 30 specific phrases and their responses and don't get any bit of them the slightest bit wrong or your marks go down and you can possibly fail this class. Oh, but don't worry about pronunciation, the natives can understand you little Timmy"
5 minutes later, a French learner accidentally says cul instead of coup and everyone is mad because he cursed
It's stupid and I hate it, and I find it's sad that the other students think I'm a language guru for not stuttering after every half letter...
Damn :/
@@Evildea cxi tio komento venis esti malgajeta cxu ne...
In serious now: for me "doing" esperanto (esperantumi) is like playing Chess might be for certain others; I just do it for the doing. ×Who would attack the game of Chess and for what reason? Too much regicide, or is it the knights and bishops?
Too much violence in games these days. Regicide is in it? It's no wonder the prince spoke out against these horrible "games" recently/s
Board games are so yesterday. Didn't you know all the cool kiddies now play Fortnite :D?
Evildea So Chess players are dinosaurs---ho ve! No more sense in being a world chess champion Cxiuj sxak-ludantoj de l' mondo: kabeu!
thanks for all the explanation, the best part was when you said you were capitalism, I have a clear idea about esperanto, it seems interesting and funny, I like the concept of old version of duolingo or bad google translate, for me I will give it a try just because I love the learning process, I write with both hands, I play many instruments, I learn french and chinese despite my native language is spanish so I do like the challenges, I know for what I hear esperanto is everything except a challenge but I would like to meet a person from other culture that I can have a fun because, in other comunities like french sometimes the people just doesn't care, mmmm I don't know how to explain sometimes a native speaker feels like is making you "the favor" and it doesn't feel like a exchange, sometimes I feel like you have to FIT in the culture and follow their rules, obey what it's already written in that culture and language that sometimes you feel like a total stranger, you can't connect with anyone because they exclued you for not have born and not understand the idiosioncracy, well maybe you will never read that, but as I said thanks for clarify everything, I just want it to have a fun and give it a try just for spend a good time, by the way to acomplish the chinese it will take a long long time ahead :) ...
-Stan isn’t Arabic, it’s persian and is used in that part of the world as well as the caucuses. It specifically ISNT used on the Arabian peninsula, basically at all.
I´m currently on erasmus in Warsaw (where Unua libro was published) and on Saturday I went to birthplace of dr-o Esperanto - Bialystok.
As autodidactic polyglot I naturally bought the book in Zamenhof center and started to learn.
Esperanto estos mia oka lingvon.
I searched some to listen and I landed on that exact podcast. I wasn´t too strong to listen him for all time.
I agree with like 100 % you told here.
This dude said there something like: "There were reasearches that Esperanto should help with learning a language. Yes it will but because your target would be you 3rd and not second. When you want to speak French you don´t waste time on Esperanto, because it´s easier. It´s like when you want to play violin, so you learn how to play guitar, because it´s easier."
It was last thing I was able to hear, because he clearly has no idea about music learning. Yeah you don´t learn guitar, when you want violin. But there is group of instruments called wind and nearly every wind musician played the same instrument - recorder.
Why? They teach you on this instrument the basics of music and your breathing. Same with Esperanto.
He also mentioned how Esperanto failed, because it didn´t fulfil the idea, because the word speaks English. As Czech, who´s language was opressed by Germans for like 5 centuries, I have to learn that language to speak to the world, but he has naturally, so he shouldn´t even speak about this, because his (and your, but you get it) was never opressed like this.
Obviously, the god of Esperanto is Evildea
Ĉ𝖚 ĝ𝖎𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝖉𝖎𝖆𝖇𝖑𝖔 𝖕𝖔𝖛𝖆𝖘 𝖊𝖘𝖙𝖎 𝖉𝖎𝖔?
Estunto Kiel vi skribas en tiuj literoj?
@@peacefulamerican8803 Serĉu "Fraktur in Unicode" kaj vidu la retpaĝon YayText
Marco Aurélio dankon mia amiko!
+Douglas Furber ˙ɾɐılɐ ɐl lɐ nɹıp ǝu pǝS ˙uoʇuǝɯoʞ uɐıʌ uǝ ınlɓ ɾɐʞ ııdoʞ ǝʇsod 'uoʇsʞǝʇ ıɓıɹɐdıʇılɐ sɐʌod ıʌ ǝıʞ '(sʇuoɟɓı ˙zʞǝ) ɾoɾǝʇǝɹ sɐʇsƎ
I am a conservative in Texas and have fallen in love with the language. I am on day eight I think on duolingo. Saluton Kaj bonan matenon.
I do wonder how long that's lasting :'D
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Currently on day 361
I really enjoyed this video, some people just do not get the ideas, even when this is very clear;
11:16
Hmm, I'm an Esperantist and I still read the Unua Libro (English translation) once out of pure curiosity. So I already knew most of what you were talking about.
Esperantistes : good vibe, left leaning sometimes, want to have some fun or connect people
This blogger : "crackpots who turn their kids into circus acts by raisin them with Esperanto"
But i guess it's the esperantistes who have a problem lol 😐
Anyways great video
Zamenhof never wanted Esperanto to replace national languages including English : the only problem is that English is not neutral but imperial, defended by big guns and big money and used to impose an ideology, which French also does. Even in a world where most money was to be exchanged in English, Esperanto would provide English-speakers themselves with a non-imperial language without class distinctions and without an ideology. Translating from a small language such as Hebrew or Modern Greek into Esperanto is easy, translating from the same small language into French or English is very difficult and doesn't go without much loss of content.
Esperanto would have to kill several billions of people to get people's respect - humans are like cattle, they mindlessly follow the power.
ABalphabeta made two videos about Esperanto. One of them is where he speaks a poem written in Zamenhof's "Proto-Esperanto" and in the other, he reads poems in other "forms" of Esperanto, one of them being a pseudo-archaic form of Esperanto created for fun. You should check them out.
He certainly has a very closed minded interpretation of Esperantujo. He even goes so far as to insult the people who devote time and energy to learning or using the language. I've seen his videos on this topic. You don't have to like the language, there are many who don't. So why be so abrasive about it? It hurts your credibility.
Ĉu vi ne legis la eseojn de Claude PIRON?
Ĉu tiu propagandisto ne superas tion, kion priskribis Piron?
Thanks for taking time for a detailed video response, mate. Respect. I've had an internal debate for ages about doing a follow-up (video/blog post) to respond to the endless criticisms I've received. Some points do need to be readdressed or clarified on my part (e.g. the fact that people call me anti-Semitic is absolutely hysterical). Your video has motivated me to respond. While I still disagree on most of your points, you at least convinced me that not all Esperantists are socialist Greens voters. There may be hope yet.
I'm glad you took my response in a positive light. I totally get that Esperanto isn't for everyone. The anti-semitic comments from others, probably comes from the fact that what you've said about Esperanto and what Hitler said are almost exactly the same. This resulted in the deaths of basically the entire Esperanto speaking population in Germany during WWII. That wound is still very fresh for many Esperanto speakers in that part of the world.
by the way, you say you "disagree" with most of his points, there's not much to actually disagree with because you're just plain wrong.....What he's stating here is objective...not a matter of opinion and "disagreeing" facts, my friend
People have been pointing that out to him for years, decades even, sometimes with personal experience, sometimes with citations (sometimes even formal, academic citations) but without making the slightest effect on his "position".
The evident and verifiable facts aren't actually relevant, here -- his stand is fundamentally ideologically based (and the irony of this is quite lost on him).
While I'm here, I figure should mention Conlang Critic's video on Esperanto. I think the criticisms there are perfectly valid and not like the garbage arguments you just destroyed, since they come from a linguistic/practical perspective.
Not necessarily a request for a video-response BTW
I haven’t seen it but I’ll check it out anyway because now I’m interested :)
He does misrepresent Esperanto to try to make Tokipona seem better. I find it very unfair to that language to have him promote it that way.
@@spelcheak Been a while since I've seen it, but how is he misrepresenting Esperanto? And if he thinks Toki Pona is better than Esperanto, then that's his opinion which he is certainly entitled to.
@@DerEinzige Maybe just watch the video or read the comments? He says a lot of things that just aren't true/his VERY subjective opinion as if they are facts. Borderline racist comments, acting like Toki Pona is perfect (or at least assuming it's better) and any diffrences between the two are flaws with Esperanto, hypocritical/just dumb comments "Suno doesn't sound like sun": which despite being the same in both languages, is a flaw of Esperanto but not Toki Pona-also it's just dumb, they do sound alike.
@@spelcheak I watched it right after I replied to you lol
I disagree with his claim that Toki Pona is better, where he just plain gets things wrong (e.g. "you have to guess where you live" and the suno/sun thing), and the part of the grammar section where he looks at ONLY the accusative and says "Welp I guess Esperanto is too hard". I'd say the -igi/-iĝi system is a much bigger hurdle because you then have to memorize whether a verb is inherently transitive or intransitive. But what borderline racist comments?
I do agree with him, however, that Esperanto has some failings as an auxlang, like having very Eurocentric vocab and a sub-par phonology for it's intended purpose, and inconsistent diacritics. But these are not new criticisms.
4:30 "Esperanto has no God", but also "Jen Evikdea vian Dion"
I’m not Esperanto’s God. I’m everyones God.
Evildea hahaha
@@Evildea Vi estas niaj dio
@@the-bruh.cum5 neee haha sed kio estas niaj?
@@nelomah Kiam mi eklernis esperanton mia esperanto ne estis bona sed niaj estas nia mdr
Mi estas budhista esperantisto
Bonvenon!
Mi estas islamano Esperantisto🇹🇷💚
I love Esperanto
Esperanto estas la pordo gvidanta al ĉiuj lingvoj de nia Tero
The only thing I find weird about spoken Esperanto is that most speakers appear to always pronounce vowel combinations as hiatuses (which is actually the prescribed pronunciation) and to pronounce most stressed vowels as long vowels while keeping the unreduced pronunciation of unstressed vowels. It sounds pretty unnatural TBH. Personally I think that turning the hiatuses into diphthongs and using a Spanish intonation (syllable-timed) would make it sound far more natural.
17:14 the statement is not very smart. The fact that this guy wrote this post in English says that he likes or at least has to understand how important it is to learn an international language, and pretty much thats the main reason we learn it! Let it be connected to everyone equally to prevent some groups of people hating the former of the language to get more speakers and just giving people a much more easy language to learn. This whole thing is not related to any politics, you have to acknowledge the importance of an international language no matter pf your political views. I am personally a nationalist for my country and have right wing views for the most part.
Oh mi spektis tiun looooongegan videon, sed fakte bonaj klarigoj kaj rimarkoj. Kaj la unuan fojon post longega tempo mi ekrimarkis aŭstralan prononcon! Ŝajne mi eklernas distingi ĝin de aliaj anglaj prononcoj!
Iom post iom la aŭstralia angla fariĝos la plej prestiĝa angla.
saluton, lernis Esperanton dum la lastaj 3 semajnoj, ŝatante ĝin
Bonege!
Bonega elsendo.
I'm sorry, I know it's a minor point, but it bothers me to no end when people say "I'm a capitalist" when they mean "I'm for capitalism". A "capitalist" is someone in a particular social class, not someone of any particular ideology.
The ideology behind capitalism is Liberalism, and I understand that the US ruined the proper name for the rest of the world, so many people avoid its use.
I'd prefer "I'm for capitalism" or "I'm economically liberal", "liberalist", almost anything, as long as it's not "I'm a capitalist".
About that argument that Esperanto has no culture (I'm tempted to call it a "meme" rather than "argument"). It's true that the internal culture is not as developed as most national cultures. It's probably more comparable to a geek fandom, a religious ritual, an urban tribe, or some other sub-culture thing. But who cares?
The point about the language is to provide a bridge to all cultures, not to a single one, so in a sense, Esperanto's culture is made of all cultures where there's an Esperantist you can talk with.
Liberalism in Australia has a very different meaning to liberalism in the US. I guess I could say I'm for capitalism and it makes no difference to me. Regarding culture, Esperanto is a lot deeper than any fandom or urban tribe. It has 130 years of history behind it which makes it considerably older than any geek fandom. I think the most involved fandom I've seen is Warhammer 40k and or Lord of the Rings and they pale in scope compared to Esperanto.
I just looked up the definition of a capitalist and I definitely invest in industry for profit. It doesn't mention anything regarding class.
@@Evildea
Yeah, you are right, I wasn't being fair with the urban tribe comparison.
About classes, that's because I'm using the marxist definition of class, that is about relation to the means of production. I meant the same thing the dictionary says, more or less. I always forget "class" means something different for most people ;)
It’s all good!
+Evildea Ĉu la Liberala Partio de Aŭstralio as tia sangsuĉa fiularo kia la Respublikana en Usono?
Ĉiu lando kun sia lingvo, Esperanto por ĉiuj.
Fek! Nia sekreto estas trovita!
Ho pardonu haha
21:20 Esperanto has no culture? Clearly, the person who made that claim has never sung along to Dek Bovinoj, or heard our excellent collection of Anaso / Ananaso jokes.
culture =/= art
@@lucassantossj Uh... Read again, pally... I didn't say that art is equal to culture. At any rate, mi fartas bone ĉar mi havas anason...
... Mu.
Dek bovinoj estas nia vera himno... la Espero ne plu estas moda :P
Ho ve! Vi eble eĉ pravas... :(
Ĉu efektive indas respondi tioman mallarĝmensulon?
Ne
Nur ĉar kelkaj homoj ne multe scias pri Esperanto, kaj kompreneble sin demandas ĉu aŭ ĉu ne tiu homo (tiu mallarĝmensulonbone) komprenas tion, kion li "klarigas" pri la malboneco de esperanto, kaj kial li pro tio ne lernos la lingvon.
mi estas juda esperantisto (mi estas komencanto tamen)
eĉ en novjorko, nur malmulte judoj parolu esperanton. plej multe esperantistoj estas cristianoj aŭ ateistoj. mi estas la unu de la nur judo en la novjorko ĉaptero de e-usono
Ho, tio estas iom malĝoja. Eble vi povas konvinki pli da viaj samkredantoj lerni la lingvon.
Which advantages for career if I learn Esperanto?
What career are you aiming for?
@@Evildea Tourism
The Unua Libro is a Shelling/focal point. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_point_(game_theory)
Eble li legis kaj akceptis tion kion skribis Adolf Hitler en "Mein Kampf"? "Tiel longe, kiel la judo ne fariĝos la mastro super la aliaj popoloj, li vole‑nevole devas paroli ilian lingvon, sed tuj kiam tiuj estos liaj servutuloj, ili ĉiuj devos lerni unu universalan lingvon (ekz. Esperanton!), tiel ke ankaŭ per ĉi tiu rimedo la judaro povus regi ilin pli facile." Eble tial li kunigis esperanton kun komunismo kaj la juda komploto. Fakte, li ne devis legi Hitler por malami judojn kaj konsideri esperanton kiel kulto. Antisemitismo kaj fanatikismo estas granda malsano, kaj ekzistas gxis nun ankaux cxe ni, en Pollando. Lastatempe oni fermis la "Centron Zamenhof" en Bialystok pro tio ke Zamenhof ne estis "suficxe pola".
fyi, around 16:34 the captioner put "broken" instead of "bogan", which changes the meaning. btw the political party is labor not labour
The accusative case in esperanto and it's eclectic combination seams strange to me.
Interlingua is more natural as a romance language.
It is not strange once you mater it. In fact it is one of the most important features of Esperanto. It allows for free word order:
I see a cat: mi vidas katon; katon mi vidas; vidas mi katon; mi katon vidas...
Esperantistoj kreskas, sed malamuloj malkreskas. Saluton el Ĉilio, Evildea mia dio
A third interpretation of the -stan thing comes from reading (at least Norwegian translations of) Donald Duck comics. "Langtvekkistan" (far-away-stan) is sometimes used about a far-away country, either metaphorically or possibly even about a real country within the story's universe.
Uncle Scrooge will, for example, threaten to send his nephew to Langtvekkistan (though more often to Siberia) - which supports one of your two suggestions, but I would say it's not necessarily demonized any more than what's implied in the fact that the place is far away (it'll be an arduous journey) and that the culture will be *different* (complications, not necessarily conflicts) and/or homogenous unto itself - like our friend here suggests about Esperanto.
Ah I wasn't aware of that :)
I couldn't find the book la danĝero lingvo. 😟
La nomo estas "la danĝera lingvo"
Tridek minutoj! Ho ve, tre longa filmeto. Sed mi ja spektos.
Kaj mi ja spektis. Bona filmo.
Esperanto for me has been about 3 things: The history is very interesting, the language is indeed fun to use and learn, I use it because I enjoy it, and the community, I have a lot of fun through it and have met some incredible and weird people.
I do tell others about Esperanto, but I don't expect anybody to want to learn it.
Herzberg am Harz.
Koro monto / heart mountain :-) ... am Harz
@@CoffeinshockDe ne ne... "Hert" estas vorto por *cervo*, en la nederlanda kaj en la nordgermana dialekto de Herzberg
@@ronaldonmg Pardonu. mi ne parolas bonan esperanton. Jes. "Hert" estas vorto por cervo en "plattdeutsch" germana dialekto. Sed la vorto estas "Herz". In Hochdeutsch the word Herzberg literally translates to heart mountain. Pardonu, mi ne certas, ĉu mi komprenas vin.
@UCxYXrHA3_VnjodSdzx7MO7Q tio estas la nomo de la esperanta urbo en germanio.
@@verdakorako4599 Dankon. Mi nur ŝatas la nomon. Tio estas poezia nomo. Pardonu por mia malbonan esperanton. Mi estas komencanto.
hey upload more videos
🇯🇵🇨🇳🇫🇷
Kial ne farinte vi vian videon en Esperanto?
?
"Esperantistan" appears to be a fitraduko of "Esperantujo".
Zamenhof: Esperanto is such an easy language to learn!
Esperanto: *scii*
Me, who speaks a native language that has no consonant clusters and English, which doesn't have any /sts/ sound: **Bruh**
Hotel: Trivago
We have “sc” in English, it’s “wrists”.
@@Evildea Yep. But does it occur in the beginning of a word?
I think you understand my frustration as English was my 2nd language and "wrists" was one of the words that it took me a long time to fully pronounce correctly.
Three-consonant shouldn't be in one of the supposedly world's easiest languages.
@@arvinroidoatienza7082 I think it’s a bit hard to say what should and shouldn’t be in an international language. Like it’s all a trade off. You cut down the consonants and you end up with something that sounds like Toki Pona and all words basically become unrecognisable and therefore take longer to learn. So it’s a trade off between making it easier to learn phonetically or via memorisation. I’m pretty sure every Esperanto speaker has their own gripes. In fact, I remember meeting speakers from many different language backgrounds and when asked this question everyone gave a different answer for what caused them the most hassle. Maybe there is a way to increase ease of lernability by a tiny fraction for everyone everywhere via a machine language created language. However then you have the biggest issue of trying to convince people to learn it. Esperanto has hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of speakers already. I’ve seen many recent attempts at auxlangs that claim to be better than Esperanto according to some metric yet don’t have any speakers. For me, it’s a matter of ease of learnability and practicality. I’ve actually had the chance to use Esperanto many times before for work and travel but never had an opportunity to use the other created languages I’ve explored.
@@Evildea I myself don't wish Esperanto. I'm just expressing my problems with the language. It isn't like Filipino is perfect anyway. I just wanted to expressed my frustration. It's just that my Esperanto instruisto is a person who thinks it is so perfect. While I'm also kinda interested with Ido, I just find it trying so hard to be Latin. Ido tre estas pretentious. Also they removed the diacritics I have learned to love. I wanna improve the diacritics, not remove them, Ido!
I really love the concept of Esperanto, it's grammar is great and its conjugations is so very clever, but I personally think Zamenhof should have done more effort with its phonology and vocabulary.
Sorry for all the complaining. As a person who have just starting to accept Esperantist as a word to refer to myself, it's kinda conflicting to me.
@@arvinroidoatienza7082 I don’t bother giving myself labels. I’m an Esperanto speaker and I enjoy the language and culture. I’d say don’t take it too seriously. Enjoy the process. Make friends. Have fun with it. One thing you can say though is that you’re a speaker of the only living language with native speakers created by an individual :D
Fakte, mi kredas ke esperantistoj povas aspekti kiel fanatikuloj, simple ĉar ege pasias pri Esperanto. Mi ege penas ne aspekti fanatikulo, sed tiom entuziasmas, ke se oni eklasas min paroli, mi ĝojege parolegas
Jes, mi estas perfekta ekzemplo de tio!
Tamen, se iu simile pasias pri futbalo, aŭ pri ĵazo, pri amatora teatro, pri hororafilmoj, ktp... aŭ eĉ pri iu alia lingvo kiel ekz. la hispana... neniu taksas tiun homon vera "fanatikulo", ĉu?
Mi deziras videon por "kial ne lerni la lingvon
ubyk" :)
You use a long time talking about culture, but I that maybe both of you are wrong in what you think culture is.
You having your own lingo, nicknames, stories and jokes with yout friends? Guess what, that's a shared culture! You go to work. Your workplace probably has its own culture, it's own unwritten rules of do's and dont's, its own stories, myths (maybe not myths except for That One, but you get my drift)
In this regard esperanto has culture. There's the epic facebook battles of the fundamentistoj and kontrawfundamentistoj, that's culture. There's pasporta servo, esperanto speakers when using esperanto are more hospitable, more kind, more honest. Culture doesn't need super long to develop.
Culture doesn't need physical proof like books, or events, or history. Just you getting in an fight over gi should be an accepted pronoun or not is proof that esperanto is culture.
Whether or not this disproves any claims, i do not know, but there is a widespread misconception on what culture actually in its rawest form is.
I tried to find any good sources that proves my claims, but none sufficiently in english, but here my culture textbook is anyways:
ndla.no/subjects/subject:18
Mi amas viajn videojn, sed mi devas diri: ĉu li estas kristano grava por la argumento? (^^;)...
Mi kredas je mi mem!
@@Evildea Mi ne pensis pri tio tiel, dankon por klarigi tion! Parenteze, vi inspiras min! Lastatempe mi pendigis notojn en mia ĉambro por studi novan vortprovizon!
Mi ĝojas, ke mi inspiris vin pli profunde lerni Esperanton!
Unfortunate to see people conflate communism with authoritarian state capitalism with no intentions of achieving Communism. Communism is a cashless, stateless, classless society. Soviet Russia and Mao China and all the others, are NONE of those criteria. Even more so when we factor in having democracy not only in politics, but also in the workplace, and then as a sub category is abolishing the commodity form of making things to sell it for profit (which is hard to do, given the things already mentioned). They're just not Communist under any standard definition of what Communism is. Very unfortunate that it has to be conflated with this stuff.
If we wanna talk death, Capitalism absolutely dwarfs that other version of capitalism at the time ("communism"). But yea it's not at all easy to get to that stage (especially with all the things intentionally holding it back). But that's wayyyy down the line. Socialism doesn't need to entail Communism, or even getting rid of currency and markets. Worker co-ops are shown to be very effective, and better in endless ways (which is essentially Socialism done right there, along with a democratic election system. Not hard to attain it). So there's good stepping stones here that stand on their own, and that we should all be pushing towards (even right-wingers). It's usually just that they have such an unfortunate understanding of what these things are, and a deep emotional aversion to such things.
As far as the reason for Esperanto in the first place, it's naturally going to have a lot more left leaning individuals, but yea not exclusively. As far as the ends of the spectrum go, Esperanto is quite fitting for a Communist, but is VERY antithetical to a Fascist.
"Communist" as in, the actual definition. As far as the shitty authoritarian state capitalist version of what people think "Communism" is, that is not overly fitting of Esperanto, as far as the original motivations and intentions behind the language.
Not that everyone has to give a shit about the original intentions and motivations, but that would shape a lot of people's views on the language when they were first learning about what it was and if they're interested or not. Plus, it still acts as a very good bridge language anyway, and people who learn other languages are I'd say more likely to be left leaning generally, unless it's just like, the most "western", "whitest" culture language they can find.
Even then, they're probably going to develop some empathy for immigrants when it comes to the English language lol.
Communism has been tried enough times to know it just isn't possible. A strong leader always takes charge and then eventually manipulates it to his/her benefit.
@@Evildea - Communism isn't going to come about via the methods used in the past. Especially since they had no intentions of attaining Communism as far as the standard definition of what Communism is. But that doesn't mean actual Communism itself gets written off.
Not that one should expect Communism to come about on any large scale for like, a number of life-times. That is a very long term project that needs to be come about in a certain gradual way, on a more global scale.
It can pop up in small areas, but it's not long before they get crushed by other areas. It's no easy task by any means whatsoever.
BUT! You can have Socialism, without Communism. Quite easily (relatively speaking. Just need democracy not only in elections, but also in the workplace. Worker co-ops. Studies already show that they work great).
Authoritarian leaders under Capitalism and under the guise of attempted Communism, are indeed terrible. Certainly not my cup of tea.
0:30 hey! Chess is black and white.... :)
So is Go :)
La originalan tekston skribis viro kiu nek lernis, nek lernas, nek lernos Esperanton. Li scias absolute nenion pri la lingvo mem, kaj tamen skribis aĉan tekston. Li estas nur stultulo.
Hi random reader. Hope you have a nice day!
Thank you. I hope you also have a nice day!
Dankon mia amiko. Vi ankaŭ havi bonan tagon!
I'm going to go against the flow here and wish that no one has a good day :P
@@Evildea Pro tio, neniu sxatos vin.
Dankon! Hodiaŭ estas tre bona
Very few people learn languages for fun and anyone who does so could be considered a "crackpot" regardless of the language learned. Most people learn languages because they HAVE to, or because the perceive a real benefit in terms of career or future advantages. Esperanto speakers are no more crackpots than someone who learns Irish or French or Polish WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
Whats wong with leaning languages for fun? You could say the same thing about practically anything. "Anyone who just sits in front of a computer and just watches something is a crackpot. You shoukd only watch videos when you have to, to learn something oe to get further ahead of your career. Watching videos is a waste of time" point is, people enjoy diffeent things, no need to call them crackpots.
@@jetison333 I don't think he was saying that there was anything wrong with it.
@@theinternationallanguagees9213 crackpot has some negative connotations to it
@@jetison333 As you can see I put "Crackpot" in quotes to show that I was quoting Donovan. My point was that if you think learning Esperanto is a crackpot idea then so is learning languages when you don't need to. My point was that there ISN'T anything wrong with doing that and that it was inconsistent of him to call Esperantists crackpots.
tero kaj chielo estos ruin` sed verda stelo restos sen fin`
the communist manifesto is actually translated to esperanto lol
19:30 mi fakte ne parolas Esperanton. Mi parolachas.
Anyway this is a great takedown of ridiculous drivel that demonizes Esperanto in the vaguest terms possible. All my future posts on this channel will be in Esperanto 😉
God wont allow us to go back to babylon lol😂😂no esperanto
"Which is not, because there's no religious aspect to Esperanto, there's no god-higher being to worship"
Oomto: Am I a joke to you?
Ĉu "mojosujo" vere estas uzata tra esperantujo?? Mi pensis ke tio estis nur afero de via sankta menso.
Tute ne estas universale. Estas inter mia kaj miaj amikoj, mi ne esprimis tion sufiĉe klare en la filmo
+Evildea Kio nomiĝas la ĉefurbo?
Krokodilejo... :P
Very good video! However, I do not think it resolves the idea that Esperanto has been a political movement, or tied up in some sort of ulterior motive. At its core, Esperanto's philosophy is (as it seems to me) that if everyone spoke the same language, and was able to clearly communicate with each other, then barriers between different cultures and peoples would be broken down. At a basic level, this is a kind of political statement, and Esperanto is the vehicle for this. Personally, while I speak competent Esperanto, I would not want to use it because I think that this philosophy is unachievable. I would prefer to learn a more neutral IAL, and one which has more reasonable goals, or one which is not tied to a larger movement or political philosophy.
The spirit of Esperanto is of everyone adopting this universal, efficient language for communication, thereby mutually abandoning their own languages. This would serve to cut the most obvious ties to one's own culture, history, tradition, in favor of global commonality among all humans. In my opinion, this language was purposed as a [destructive] tool for destroying distinctions between peoples and cultures. I'm not opposed to learning it, but it was intentionally created as a means to an ideological end, as opposed to more spontaneous origins of other languages. If one is to take an ideological stance on language, I'd rather it be for the sake of recognition or preservation of culture and identity, as opposed to the abandonment of it.
Voluntas Revelata most Esperanto speakers are very against Language death. In fact, they see it very differently. If you learn Esperanto you’ll have a easy tool for communicating with others and won’t need to waste 5-10-20 years learning English at the expense of your own native language. For many people, it becomes a choice “learn English and abandon your own culture or fall behind in English and get cut off internationally”. Maybe if everyone spoke Esperanto they’d abandon their native languages but I doubt that as most people consider their native language as part of their identity.
Mi viro
mi ne lernos esperanton char ne estas varmaj virinoj kiu parolas gjin
tute male!
This sounds like the proselytizing of a religious nut.
so you're an atheist? So was I but my foxhole caught up with me. Those foxhole are pretty fast and the older you get....well, you'll find out.
What's wrong with being an atheist?
Mi estas frua
This is the most popular Esperanto channel?
This is how you know there's no where near 2 million speakers, like so many claim, if the most popular channel can only get 73k views on the most popular video and the vast majority of videos have a couple of thousand of views each.
The Esperanto community is very divided. A large part is found in Asia which don't use UA-cam and exist on other platforms like Wechat etc. Another part is found in central Africa which don't even have an internet connection. I know of a few villages in Africa where there a numerous Esperanto families but they don't have any internet connection and speak it due to historical reasons. Finally, I'm not a mainstream Esperanto speaker so many don't follow me as they don't like my content.
@@Evildea wtf re: the african villages
that sounds like there's a story to tell, there
Mi scias, ke ĉi tiu video estas malnova, sed ĝi aperis al mi hazarde dum mi retumas sur UA-cam kaj temas pri subjekton, kiun mi ankaŭ vizaĝas lastatempe en mia lando, Brazilo. Mi spektis videon de brazilano lingvokreinto, kiu malbonparolis pri esperanto (do mi ekkontraŭargumentis lin, hehe).
Nu, mi ne tute spektis ĉi tiun videon, sed mi konas iomete pri Denovan kaj ankaŭ imoete pri Evildea. Mi reiris al UA-cam por spekti kelkajn videon de Evildea, ĉar mi memoris kiam mi eklernis esperanton (22-a aŭgusto de 2022). Mi ne tute komprenis kiam li parolas la lingvon, sed nun mi povas kompreni preskaŭ ĉion.
Do, eklernis esperanton, ĉar mi volus senti kiel estas kiam oni bone lernas lingvon. Mi lernas ankaŭ la francan kaj la ĉinan, sed ĉi tiuj lingvoj ne estas tiel facilaj kiel esperanto. Mi nur bezonis tri monatojn por lerni la fundamentoj kaj poste nur daŭris la lernadon iom per iom.
Mi ankaŭ, kiel Denovan, estas kristana. En mia lando, esperanto estas tre fama por la spiritismaj verkoj, tial kelkaj homoj eble pripensas, ke la lingvo estas por spiritismo. Dum mia esperanta lernado, mi legis spiritisman libron, kiu temis pri la vivo de Zamenhof. Mi opinias, ke la verko estis bonega kaj mi povis lerni multe el ĝi.
Fakte, Zamenhof havis filozofion bazita en la sekulara humanismo. Kiel kristana, mi ege malkonsentas, eĉ pli ĉar Zamenhof vidis Dion nek kiel persona Dio, sed nur kiel nepersona forteco. La problemo, finfine, restas en la koncepto de pripensi, ke ĉiuj povus kredi unu “dion” kiel ĉi tiu nepersona dion, pli kiel forteco. Mi opinias, ke ĉi tiu estas senseco, ĉar la vera filozofo devas serĉi la veron (mi scias, ke hodiaŭ ne estas tre simple, ĉar ni vivas en la postvera mondo). Nur diri “kredu en unu neŭtrala dio kaj ĉi tiu dio estas la sama kiel vi kredas en via religio”, nu, estas senseco. Se ĉiuj pravas, tiam neniu pravas pri ĉi tiu temo. =S
Nu, mi skribis super pli por montri, ke eble tiu estas la plej bona maniero de klarigi kial kristanoj povus kontraŭargumenti pri Zamenhof kaj siaj ideoj. Ni ankaŭ havas “problemon” en Brazilo, ĉar preskaŭ nur “specifa” grupo ŝatas esperanton. Kiam mi vidas la emblemon de BEJO en Brazilo, la emblemo estas virino montrante la brakon kiel la komunisma kaj feminisma propagando. Pro tio oni klare vidas, ke kelkefoje esperanto suferas por esti “naŭtrala” lingvo, ĉar parto de la movado havi iliajn ideologiojn. Tiu estas normala, en ajna lando la popolo havas iliajn aliajn ideologiojn ankaŭ, sed por la esperantista movado ĉi tiu estas problemo, sub miaj okuloj, ĉar ĝi deklaras ĝian propran karakterizan kiel estante “neŭtrala”. (Do, ĉi tie oni povas vidi, ke esti “neŭtrala” estas neeble, hehe).
Do, por kristanoj, ideologioj kiel feminismo, komunismo, la kultura marksismo, ĝenerale, estas problema por ni, ĉar ili portas tre fortan materiisman pensmanieron kaj mondvidon. Kaj por niaj sperto, malfeliĉe ni vidas la danĝeron por la mondo kiam kelkaj homoj pensas adoptante tiujn pensimarieon, do ni timegas kio povus ozaki pli malbone en la estonteco. Eble tion, kion mi diris ŝajnas kiel senseco por oni legante mian tekston, mi tute komprenas, sed mi ne povus klarigi pri tiu nur skribante malgrandajn liniojn, mi pardonpetas.
Sed mi bezonas konsenti kun Evildea, ĉar mi opinias, ke esperanto estas nur lingvo. Kaj kia lingvo! Mi ne scias kiel mi povas esprimi ĉi tion, sed mi amas lingvojn kiel esperanto. Mi nur povas parola bone la anglan, mi estis enamiĝita de la angla kiam mi estis infano, kaj mi vidis, ke la angla havas tre specifajn vortojn kaj estas tre klara kiam oni legas ĝin. Mi ne pensas, ke mia propra denaska lingvo estas tiel klara por legi kiel en la angla. Mi ankaŭ sentas tion kiam mi uzas la esperantan. Oni povus esprimi multe detalojn uzante la esperantan.
Tiu estas mia kialo lernante la esperantan, ĉar mi opinias, ke ĝi estas tre logika lingvo kaj ĉi tiu karakterizo estas mia motivo por lerni ĝin. Hodiaŭ mi uzas la lingvon por skribi mian taglibron, por preĝi kaj por legi la Biblion. Mi volas estontece paroli kun miaj pastroj kaj eble krei socian projekton por instrui la lingvon senkoste en la preĝejo. En Brazilo, plimulto de la brazilanoj ne povas paroli bone alilandajn lingvojn. Mi opinias, ke la esperanto povas helpi ilin por post eklerni aliajn lingvojn kiel la angla, la franca kaj la hispana, ekzemple.
Finfine, Evildea, dankon por viaj videoj, mi ne sekvas vian kanalon ĉiumomente, sed estas bonan fonton por ĉiuj, kiuj volas konsumi kvalitajn esperantajn videojn.