Do NOT Repeat your Callsign!
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2022
- Get your ham radio callsign across to your contact WITHOUT repeating it over and over! Works for me! For clarity.. The first 10 seconds of this video says, "if someone asks you to repeat something - then you do repeat it - and then they get it right - and they clarify that with you - don't then repeat it again". 73, Callum, M0MCX.
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I loved this wonderfully articulated and expressed information! I have spent the last two days in some sort of confusion due to a bodily infection. Echo chambers for dreams, and conversations will with “What did you say?” So, I have not turned to my beloved radios at this time because I know that I’ll run into a bunch of guys, all younger than I usually, unable to process anything repeated beyond a clean clear statement. I am writing this because you are hitting on a lot of issues we have all the time, what? do you need the time?, and I write comments sometimes but seldom for the reason I am writing this to you. In my foggy state it was so wonderful to hear your clarity. YOUR CLARITY! You’re a Mark Anthony of a Richard Burton of a Ham! In the states I was an English major in my youth, communications always the emphasis, and you delivered a little therapy to me okay Glenn N5MCH
Glenn, I value your comments and I am truly glad I am bringing some enjoyment to your life friend.
This is great advise. What really kills me is when someone says "your 5 and 9" and then I have to repeat everything I say 4 or 5 times. 73 K4ECA
Yep…
Drives me nuts too. Can't be 59 if asked to repeat.
They’re probably in a contest where the primary interest is the numbers of contacts, not a sincere interest in the accuracy of different perceived signal readability. I find a lot more interest in accurate signal reports during ragchews where they are specifically requested.
Oh my god!!!!😂😂😂😂 what is it with that????!!!! M0KJZ
This is so completely obvious now that you explain it and as a new ham I totally do this. Thanks, this is great stuff.
You're very welcome!
This is hands down the absolute best bit of advice for a ham radio operator. Spot on, Cal !!
It's annoying as hell if I am the one trying to get the callsign sorted out, when they keep giving the whole callsign instead of the letter(s) I am missing.
If the shoe is on the other foot, and I have to repeat a letter or part of my callsign, I will do it twice with the appropriate phonetic name and a third time using the DX phonetic alphabet.
Sometimes it's easier to pick Mexico Washington Denmark out of the noise than Mike Whiskey Delta.
PERFECT!
I'm a new commer to radio but every one of your videos has pearls of wisdom and usable tips. Thanks again
Thanks!
This is amazingly true and I hear folks messing this up all the time. Just answer the other stations question. Keep it simple and Learn to LISTEN!
Great video. I don't hear folks talking about topics like this. It's something that comes more naturally to some than others
Tell you what pees me off you call a station on hf and the station comes back asking to repeat your callsign AGAIN AGAIN Yet gives you a 5/9 signal report.😂😂😂
These little "tip" videos are great for the old as well as the new hams. Advice you may have forgotten or just didn't get along the way. Thanks Callum!
Great point!
Studying for my ham here in the states, any and all advice like this is welcomed and appreciated. Thanks Callum!
Fully agree! Another thing that might be helpful is if more hams would learn the difference between a prefix and a suffix. I listened to literally dozens of calls during the last big contest where a station would repeatedly ask for a repeat of the suffix, and the other station would respond by constantly repeating the prefix (or vice versa). People like this is why I don't use a voice activated headset...
Great advice. This also goes for non amateur radio conversations.
Good point. In addition, how about those hams that are into speeding through their callsign? In the army we were taught to speak at a moderate speed enunciating as clearly as possible, not trying to sound like an auctioneer. Thank you for your very informative videos. Check-in with you every day.
And that!
Excellent video and a topic I’ve had to learn the hard way. I travel and operate frequently with a lot of added prefixes and suffixes. For instance I operate in Poland as SP/K4OGO. In hundreds of QSOs I’ve only had a couple get it the first time, rather frustrating but I understand it’s a mouthful. Great advice. 73, Walt K4OGO
Thanks for sharing!
It isn’t just new licensees who struggle with this, another good one Cal
Cheers Dave.
Thanks for the practical advice. Not all of us have friends that we can learn good operating procedures from. I for one find these kinds of tips very useful. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful!
Cal, the more I listen to you, the more I am hooked. You talk common sense and allow the hobbyist to improve. I started watching when I was looking for a good, affordable
HF antenna, now I listen no matter the topic. Love the channel, love the material. Brilliant - KE2ALN from Brockport, NY. Hope to make contact someday. BTW, I’ll have a DXCommander order in very soon :). Spring’s coming!
Tim, so glad you think the same. Have a great day!!
What he said, What you think he said, What he thinks you heard him say, What you wanted him to say, what he actually said! I'm forever telling people "Negative" and repeating only the bit they got wrong
HAHA Paul!
Another pearl of wisdom Cal.
Spot on. This has happened to me while doing a POTA activation. I ask "Last letter pls" then I got a complete call sign and I was out in left field.
Thank you for putting this out in the universe! I've been baffled as to why some folk would repeat stuff that the calling station has already verified. Also...when there is a pileup I hear some of the big stations repeating their callsign like three times all over the top of one another...quite obnoxiously...but anyway...great videos, thank you! 73, KN4FTT
Totally!
Useful advice, thanks! In a hobby based on communicating, I'm always staggered that people concentrate on the technical side and ignore effective, practical procedures.
Oh yes! Nice to see you on the comments (again!) - don't let up. ALways geat to have you around!
@@DXCommanderHQ Thanks Callum, you are very kind, I did wonder if I was helping or hindering.
I feel that if someone goes through the effort of making a video, the least I can do is thank and support them.
Hopefully I will back on the air soon! Best 73.
Thanks Callum. Your content is so imformative and I subbed.
Thanks for the sub!
I've been on the HF bands for just about 2 months and I'm so glad that I heard this, I've been not realizing what trouble I can be causing. Cheers!
HAHA!
True. Both sides of the QSO should be using these skills. Ask for what you need, and provide what they are asking for. This makes the effort a tad easier during difficult conditions.
If this information is obvious, then the video isn't for you. But it's great advice to those that need it. It's good RT procedure, especially in a known format construct such as amateur radio callsigns. Great work, Cal.
Well spotted!
Great tips, Callum. I think that practical advice on how to behave on the air is very important and necessary. You have found a great direction for interesting videos. Thanks for the content.
I also learned a new word from this video - "Temptation" 😆
Temptation! That's what you have Raisa! :)
YES!
Listening is more important than transmitting. Also, the DX hunter should make sure the he/she has the complete call of the DX station. I remember an american expat in Belize, V31BB (SK), would be heard on 10m into North America daily; always a big signal! If he answered your call and you asked for his full call, he would say "no contact"! Why? He said his call at the beginning of every contact and CQ! I loved the way he handled his pileups!
Well said.
It is a lot different when somebodies life is on the line, When my team and I are at work, I ask for a repeat of my orders and vise versa .
I ask everyone when using the radios, to be clear, not talk fast and to repeat message. As that tells me my message or vise versa was understood.
As my team and I work on telecommunication / broadcast towers, which heights could be from 100 feet high to over 1200 feet in height.
Now you have to include climbing around whilst working and hoisting up tools and equipment .
And don't forget about the winds, which can sometimes make it very difficult for radio communications .
So when it come to the teams communications, we will repeat until the message is understood ...
I understand that this is a hobby for most, however I take radio communication very seriously.
Great videos, and I do understand your frustration !
OK, saving a life is of course completely different to making a contact. A bit like when they read up the code to Apollo 13.. They had to repeat it all else they wouldn't have got home!
Thanks Callum, a Wonderful tips ..... Having been a Signaller in the Artillary ..... I Still have the habit of NOT Saying... " REPEAT " .... This in Artillary or Gunner/ Mortar terms means ' Repeat the last Salvo " .... :-) :-) :-) .... I Still use .... " SAY AGAIN " .... :-) :-) :-) Thanks for All your Great Vidclips.... So Informative and Great Entertainment ... Cheers from ChCh, NZ ZL3KEI
Absolutely true and excellent advice
Boom!
This is very true and practical. I’m new to HF , I’ve only been an upgraded general class about 6 months , so if they’re having trouble hearing me , I just bail out and let someone have a go . I’m only running 100 watt radio and a dipole on 20/40 meters . So until I upgrade , I’m not gonna waste the air time for someone who has a much better setup . It doesn’t frustrate me , so I just sit back and listen and learn
Ah. OK. You know many folks are on 100W.. It can work :)
Raise your antenna. Seriously. 10ft makes a world of difference.
I have been using this method since the 1990s with absolutely no knowledge. It works.
Yes.. I think many of us do. Some didn't!
This is brilliant advise.
Great advice Cal
Greetings from Sweden!
You,Sir, just got yourself a new subscriber.
Phil! Welcome my friend!
This is great 👍🏻 I hear this all the time
Nailed it !!!!!! Thank you for saying this.
Great!
Amazing advice, I’m new to radio and this is excellent demonstration. I shall follow this ruling in future
Welcome aboard!
iam only using CB radio in lack of licens, BUT i get alot of people who wants signal reports etc. This videos has helpt me alot last 6 months 👌🍺🥳
Ah great!
Great advice, can also apply to conversations with YF. TY! 73 (in trouble as usual)
Great advice as always Cal. Thanks 73 Jim M7BXT
You bet!
Thanks for the info. I'm not sure if I have done this in the past but I will definitely be more aware of it for the future.
I'm sure a clever guy like you Richard wouldn't fall for that!
Hello
MM7MWD here. My name isn’t Roger…. ;-)
Well explained. Have a great weekend Cal
Thanks, you too!
My good mate Angus McYaesu from the Outer Hebrides holds that callsign and concurs with everything you've said but added that it isn't the conditions, the deep QSB or the frequent power cuts that cause the most problems but his strong Scottish brogue that most ops struggle with.
Another good one about the basics. Thanky, Cullum. 73. WW5MB.
Angus? Yes OK!
Great information Callum. Nice Les Paul on the wall.
I can't play it!
One exception, operators need to learn to repeat back what they hear to get quicker QSLs. Some contest operators say something catchy like "North America Radio" for a NAR suffix instead of "November Alpha Romeo". Then a roger roger QSL gets the suffix acknowledge done. I totally agree with you Cal. Information that is NOT necessary to repeat can quickly lead to a missed opportunity, especially in pile ups. 73 from Ontario Canada. Love your videos.
Very clear Callum, got it. Thanks for this reminder. 73 😉
No worries!
Who's on first!! 😆 Great advice. Thanks Callum!
Boom!
Short and to the point!
Roger Roger.... Good topic and great video!! Cheers.
Thanks 👍
Excellent. A much needed lesson. Thanks! 73, AC5JS
Glad it was helpful!
Good advice Cal. I have dared to repeat once or twice after they have my callsign. By the time I have repeated again they are already QRZ again. Mark, 2E0MSR.
Very good point!!! Thank you.
My pleasure!
Hi! New ham here. Your information is gold. Thank you for your videos. I have learned so much to jumpstart my entry into amateur radio. 73 KF8AUV
Welcome aboard!
Thx - going to practice with you on friday again 😎
You got this!
Love the advice and the purple nail! We need more nail polish in radio!
I have a face for radio! And hands!
It is funny because I run into the same thing with my on the phone customer service work from home job. It is really just understanding that a conversation is a back and forth flow and not a forced one way waterfall. Thank for this
Oh yes!
Good advice.
Great video on a very frustrating situation.
Tell me about it :)
I've definitely made this mistake before. Thanks for the good advice.
Any time!
Great video Callum you are absolutely right. Roger Roger Roger. I am nearly on the air. I have picked up a Ft817 also have a 10m DX commander just need to sort a battery and a antenna then boom. Motters M7TRS 73 👍🏻
Right on! Sounds fab!
Love this...I was getting frustrated just listening to this.
Great video. As someone new to HF, this is great info about one of the MANY things I haven't learned/thought about.
Thanks Callum!
Michael-WA5AZQ
Glad it was helpful!
At one time US Hams could be cited by the FCC for giving less than a full callsign. This happened to my shop teacher who was licensed before there were country prefixes. He had been 9ABC (not his real call) and became W9ABC sometime in the middle 1920s when the country prefixes were added. In the 1950s when he was my mentor and teacher, he ID'd our school club station as 9JBL (vice W9JBL) and got a violation notice from one of the FCC monitoring stations.
Wow.. The old days!
I did this yesterday lol. Will try to just give the partial in the future
I agree with this
Thanks for the tip
Easy Joe :)
A wild game of hangman
i am the bloke that said i was a bit worried about speaking to strangers, you kindly said, dont worry. and then i saw this vid and became horrified again, both by the fact the interaction was so governed by nuance and ethics, and that i just realised i seem to be expected to memorise a massive list of q codes, or i'll appear daft.
AH.. Hello again.. There's a difference. You keep it short and sweet and people will completely understand. These are "advanced" topics that was probably annoying me on the day. NOBODY will think anything less of you.
Wow, so true! It can really go downhill in a hurry! 🤣
Yes :)
Such great advice. Keep exchanges simple for weak signal work and follow the standard QSO flow. Why does this content bother some people?
No idea.. Lots of content recently for newbies.. I'm having a newbie fortnight. You may have guessed!
Nice Les Paul by the way!
Hey, you're that bloke with the antennas. 👌
Apparently!
Calum, I love your purple nail varnish.
Awe thanks!
This is so correct, I'm often on the other side, big pileup/contest... stations calling over etc.. I give out the callsign I'm answering, so often I hear 59 and the callsign again... then my thinking is - why did he repeat the callsign ?? and one thing - when doing fast contesting , your brain is expecting something - so you are not really listening for the repeat of the callsign after the report - so you will need to call - please confirm etc.. so rate goes down - and often the pileup just is back on top and the caller missed any chance of repeat.
Yes!
LOL. Abbott and Costello 'who's on first?'
An intelligent man
Spot on!
Excelente criterio!!
muchas gracias!
(buenisima tu uña jjajaja)
Very good tip Callum! 73
Many thanks!
spot on...
I just started listening to the space station repeater when it passes over, and have come to the conclusion that it's just a bunch of people getting each other's call signs all mixed up and you can't tell who's trying to correct who, and who's got it right or wrong. Then three minutes later the transmissions fade out, then you wait another 90 minutes, then you wait another 3 days, and try it all over again.
Well, in THAT case, you are right.. It is a rare even for hams to actually say they got through - so it's a scamble.. Correct.
Good advice
Thanks!
Absolutely right Callum, I tried telling this to people when I was doing a special event. I said "if I am right give me a ROGER!" Then they would not give me a roger and just repeat their call again leaving me unsure yet again even though in the end it turns out I had it all along! All they need to bloomin say is roger roger ROGER!!!
Agh! Yes 👍
Well, no. Roger means you understood them, not that they understood you. The word you're looking for is CORRECT.
In summary: 'empathy'
Another good one
Glad you enjoyed it
That is good advice, I'd never thought of it in that way and I'll certainly take it on board 73's MM3KVV
sooooo, so funny, ur video, becuz I've laughed at this for so many yrs, probably for many decades; so mni tnx for addressing it, as we continue to hear this excess & unneeded verbage all too often! 73 de WA4ELW in TN 🇺🇸 dit dit 🤓
dit dit yes!! :)
Gd bit of advice which i have done sins getting my hf radio. Also u seem to get a 5.9 back after all the back and forward.
Yes!! Preach to the masses!! - KO4DKI
Excellent advice!! Sounds like you've experienced this before on both ends. De WO8USA🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Yep, that was me!
I got the popcorn ready for the comment section.
Haha!
to true, i all ways say YES THAT IS CORRECT, that way they get the yes or the correct of both yes and correct :D
great advice dude, 73, mike.... charlie. tango......
Perfect!
Yeah Joe!
Thanks for the vid! Is that a fender Mustang bass behind you on the wall?
Copy!
When I work really weak (like S0 basically not there) stations, and I say something to the effect of " if I have that correct give me your strongest yes yes yes".
In my opinion it's poor operating on my part to not ask for exactly what I want and the way I want it. Especially from new operators that might not know better.
Erm. OK!
Great advice!!!! At 2:19 in the video you said that he said - MW7MWD. I think you meant to have him say MM7MWD. If he actually came back with MW7MWD, wouldn't you say negative & repeat the correct prefix: MM7 MM7 MM7 73 from N7RLV
What you THINK and what happens are two different things.. But yes!
Roger, Roger, Roger! The other problem which occurs in contests is when you've put out your contest call and then the responding station repeats your call back to you before stating theirs....You end up starting to type your own callsign into your contest log before you realise....🙄
Oh goodness yes!
Nice nail polish😀
Haha.. You are the only one to comment that :)