My theory is that all these specials are the Toymaker just wanting to play with his favorite toys again. The first special really solidified this for me, with it being a FOURTH Doctor story, but now with 10 in that role. It’s just like a kid pulling out all his favorites to play with one last time … and that being similar to RTD’s situation, getting to play with his favorites again, I think it all makes sense. Really enjoyed the first special, but very surprised that many of the scenes we thought might be part of that second special were in this … making me think we know even less about Wild Blue Yonder than we thought we did just a couple days ago.
Yeah! Theres several moments that feel exactly like that scene from flesh and stone with future 11, I'm not 100% sure but it feels almost like things were too easy? In a suspicious way.
Well yeah I figure this is all a "prank" by the Toymaker because 1. The 14th Doctor's clothes changed along with his appearance and 2. Donna spilling coffee isnt going to set the TARDIS ablaze. I think the Toymaker is drawing them in.
Notice also Rose, Donna's Daughter specifically makes toys. Something tells me Toymaker has orchestrated the temporal postponing of metacrisis, but it's not actually gone entirely.
My prediction is that it'll be a Nostalgia Trap for the Doctor and Donna, letting him keep his face and her memories if they agree to become his toys, would be a good metaphor for trapping tge show in a cycle of the same characters being made to remake stories for eternity, which ends with them making peace with the old days being gone and decide to look to the future with Ncuti taking control. In regards to the Meep, I think it would've been interesting for the Doctor to remember the original comic story and wonder why he's reliving old adventures.
I honestly don't believe any other Doctor will be showing up now apart from as some sort of archive footage. Although I think 14 & 15 will meet each other at that Regeneration scene.
Loved the special, ending felt a bit rushed but I figure this is the toymakers doing, I think the trap for the doctor is if he stops the toymaker, Donna will die… ‘I don’t know if I can save your life this time..’ Dalek Carn said ‘this would always have happened, I only helped, Doctor’ - I like to think he seen this future when he went into the time lock unprotected
I have a theory and it REALLY makes sense and answers the a big question. When The Doctor and Donna have their heart tto heart scene in the new T.A.R.D.I.S, Donna asks him 'Why this face again?'. He shrugs it off and it withdrawn for the rest of the conversation. Even being coy (in the 10th style of doing so) when she says 'Have some friends'. But he says something absolutely crucial in a almost 'odd' way of saying it. He pauses and tells Donna 'I really do remember it tho. All those times with you' (I am paraphrasing a bit here). Then he says 'It killed me. It killed me. It killed me. This is the key! Donna and Rose have both just let go of their meta crisis. The part of 10 energy that lived in them. It killed the Doctor twice. 14 is here as 10 as the energy was linked and could not move on into the Timelord afterlife (as shown in 13's finale) while it was split. 10 lost his life and he regenerated. But he had to return to retrieve the rest of his 'soul' so to speak. As soon as Donna and Rose let go... 14 has begun recycling his regenertion (almost like a "Let's do this again, but with everyone this time)'. He knows it's coming. He figured it out as soon as he and Donna began their moment of remimiscing. We have two episofrs left and just like his last regeneration, it's taking it's time to cycle through the process, but completely this time around. This shuts the door on the Doctor Donna, completely and is also his trump card agaist The Toymaker as he has the upper hand in knowing he is going to change / die. In comes 15 and Seaon 1 (Disney Era) begins without having to tread over the same ground again. But like I said, it's just a theory lol
Would be really neat if, like you said, the Giant Toymaker String scene is the reveal that he's been influencing the Doctor and Donna's actions; A whole flashback montage including the coffee drop scene where we learn that certain actions they made were done by the toymaker pulling their strings. Something about an otherworldly force controlling you with no way of actually knowing you're being controlled is creepy to me.
I think it would be fitting if "The Boss" was another Doctor Who character who first appeared in the comics. A crime boss who was first seen in the Doctor Who Magazine comic strip "The Moderator" named Josiah W. Dogbolter. He is kinda like kingpin from spiderman except he's a frog man.
Seeing David running around the set screaming "This is Amazing" had me smiling from ear to ear. I know there has been some talk of David perhaps being overused but it's great to see him back. No disrespect to any actors who followed him but it's as if he's never been away. I'm almost sad we're only getting this for three episodes after all the hype. It would be nice to see a full season run with maybe Donna stepping aside and the new Rose as main companion. Really enjoyed watching this. Looking forward to the episodes to come
I believe it's DEFINATLEY gonna be the Toymaker who is the boss. After all, The Meep were controlled by a psychedelic sun. This makes perfect sense since the original Toymaker story was called "The Celestial Toymaker". The word Celestial relating to the sun.
Question - How do we know they are in the same TARDIS as the one he exited from? The interior changed in the meantime. It surprised The Doctor. Maybe it's not The Doctor's TARDIS. Maybe it was swapped during the episode.
When Meep made a BIG DEAL about "Two Hearts" That got me thinking... We've seen Aliens with two heads, two tails.. Aliens differ in so many ways. BUT, Why was the Doctor's "Two Hearts" such a BIG deal. Of course I'm coming to "The Master" .. I believe Meep is talking about "The Master" as "The Boss"
The 3 specials are alien TV shows for a species that idolises the Doctor (a species from 10's era). They are orchestrated by the Toymaster. The Doctor is not aware, like the Truman Show. RTD will use this to create a meta commentary about toxic fandom and how audiences shouldn't expect to dictate what a TV show does.
You forgot to mention that Rahel Talalay posted pictures online of herself with Peter Capaldi and Matt Lucas around the time that the 60th Specials were being filmed.
Oh, and also, perhaps the episode will be similar to Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS where 11 and Clara were pursued through the endless maze of corridors and rooms by the villains, only this time it will be the deceiving robots we see on the poster, who are dispatched by 15's TARDIS to take care of the paradox which has been unleashed by 14 being inside the 15th Doctor's TARDIS alongside Donna, though that's just my theory. Perhaps the robots go rogue though and malfunction so that instead of harmlessly returning 14 and Donna to the earlier timeline where their TARDIS has ran off to, they seek to kill them which Donna, 14 and 15 must team up to defeat!
my belif is that the toymakers story will be a continuation of the original toymaker story. in short the doctor escaped what was meant to be his destruction in episode 4 of the celestial toymaker. the toymaker in his own words is a bad looser. he always destroys the destroyer. given the natural process of destroying the winner failed i assume the toymaker is out to complete the destruction himself. he may put donna in a game to lure the doctor. the toymaker is very relaxed and due to his immortality he knows he will always win with enough time. i assume he has been playing in this time so far and he believes he has improved at games or at least his commands. (in the original story the toymaker was never playing he just commanded the pieces and they auto played to perfection in the set of moves he commanded. given it only responded to his voice the doctor did a really good impression and it obeyed him leading to the doctors victory.) he may even put the doctor into another game that forces the doctor to loose and limits his regenerations and forces him towards the end of the cycle. (it would also be a good call back to what they were going to do in the original toymaker story) and that could lead to us have ncuti. ncuti seems to have a more major role than we are expecting. especially being teased in the trailers as much as he has. (even seeing his doctors outfit in the offical trailer.) if it is any one of these it would still be in line with the toymakers character which i am really hoping they dont make him your generic doctor who baddie because he is so much more than that. and one of the reasons im worried is it seems hes more murderous than his original counterpart. the original toymaker was out to see you loose your life but not exactly die. he was there to make you his toy if you win you did die and were techneclly free to go but the toymaker didnt let you have a fair chance of survival either way. you either lost and became his toy forever or won and died. there was no way out of techneclly loosing who you were. he was also very subtle on movement usually only walking and keeping his hands in similar positions. the only other movements were usually snapping his fingers when using his powers. and his calming voice and calm movements are all but gone so far in the new toymaker. even in the calmer lines there is still so much energy in neil's toymaker that i am still very worried and really hope they dont use that energy and spoil the character. (and the toymaker did have a beard. very much like a goatee in the nightmare fair audio drama)
I did love TSB, it was nice to see it looks like WBY will be a truly terrifying episode and I cannot wait to see it next weekend, plus seeing Matt Smith back as 11 to team up with David Tennant's 14 would be awesome because 11 had such great chemistry with 10 in TDOTD, I loved it so much. But if Richard E. Grant's Shalka Doctor makes an appearance that would be cool to see as well, and maybe 14 could mistake him for being the Great Intelligence before he tells him who he really is, that sounds really fun. I do think that maybe 14 meeting Ncuti Gatwa's 15 is a strong possibility as well though, and it could be towards the end of his life as he is about to regenerate again so yeah. Maybe 14 asks 15 to tell him what happened, but 15 insists that he does not want to know or it will break him, 14 keeps on demanding to know though until he finally gives in. What 15 tells the 14th Doctor about the cause of his upcoming regeneration is something so horrific that it makes him scream out in anger and bang his hands against the wall which we see in the trailers as you know. So now the Doctor will know what happens in the future, and maybe this is why 15 is crying in the Christmas special footage because he is still shaken by the information as well as knows the awful fate of his current self which cannot be stopped. Sounds very dark I know, but I agree with The Confused Adipose that any one of those theories do sound plausible and could happen, but who knows, we shall find out in the coming weeks!
I wouldn't look top deep on "the boss". Its probably the Toymaker. The sort of people who make, or comment on, these videos are a small slice of the target audience. The bulk of the audience won't know who the Toymaker is, so any misdirection is lost. I do hope there is more classic series reference than just the Toymaker and Mel appearing, that doesn't necessarily require multi-Doctor but it does seem more a "Russell returns" special than a 60th so far.
I think it could be the toy maker or they are doing a misdirection and toy maker pulls a "wait you thought I was the boss nah I'm like second in command to -insert person-". Personally I think it some one we have not seen in a long time in the doctor who universe someone believed to be long dead...someone that uses a royal title ...yes the rani! And what new character has been announced that uses a title the duchess ! I think the success could be the rani.
I don't know if anyone noticed but i think the toymaker actually appeared in the this episode just after the moment those soldiers minds got controlled. On bbc iplayer or at @18:31 in the episode you will see someone walk past Shirley and it looks like the toymaker. We dont see this person later on in the episode. Thoughts???
Thanks for the offer for a full review of "Star Beast" by yourself. Yes please! I tried watching the previous review, and the sound level was terrible (I'm sure everyone had some interesting things to say... I just couldn't hear most of the dialogue, unfortunately), so I had to give up on it... which was a shame.
i find it funny how both stories so far have dealt with identity in someway The star beast: Beep the Meep is a character with a misleading identity, they look and act cute, but are actually an evil creature, the day is saved because of Roses identity WIld blue Yonder: the Not!things are creatures without an identity, they copy people's faces, the day is saved by the doctor figuring out Donna's identity
@10th_Doctor_ oh I agree, I loved Rose and I didn't mind how she was written at all. Yeah there's a few heavier lines at the end but I know Russell and his style of writing. But there's are people up in arms at the idea of a trans-person in Doctor who in general, the writing just adds more fuel to their hate. Seen some awful comments on twitter and a video or 2 on here today as well as idiots commenting on others videos.
@lexruptor well given the fact that people were in a flap about having a trans-actor even cast way before the episode went out before the episode even Aired shows the level of "valid criticism" I'm talking about. Not to mention tweets I have seen from people watching and I qoute "trans propaganda within the first 15 mins" how is that a valid point or argument? Spoiler its not. All before the climax, meta crisis stuff. So in context you tell me within the first 15 minutes how idiots like that are "valid" oh and lastly unfortunately plenty of people "disliked Rose" for that very reason I mentioned. Don't believe me. Have a look a Bowelstrek, nerdrotic or any of those other channels saying trans People need to be censored
The fact that the Doctor's clothes also regenerated, and with RTD's comments about Davros (which have to be deliberately fake) make me think that all the specials are going to be a dream, or an alternate universe thing. We will only get back to "reality" when the next "regeneration" corrects reality. Or maybe i'm just a sad fanboy theorist.
I also like the idea of Wild Blue Yonder containing other Doctors from other universes and, like you said it including Richard E. Grant as the Shalka Doctor, but what if it also features....ROWAN ATKINSON AS THE FATAL DEATH DOCTOR?! Can you just imagine how many people would freak out about that?
Lastly, I think we might see multiple Doctors come back as RTD made a comment somewhere that we would see the Remember TARDIS from Tales of the TARDIS again, so what if all the actors from those episodes have cameos in the 60th?
Honestly imo the Star Beast was a proper adaptation. It was sumn that already exists. RTD might’ve had some limitations which coulda caused tha lack-luster u guys mighta experienced. What I’m tryna say is please hold on just a sec guys. Don’t judge just yet PLEASE. Wild Blue Yonder is purely RTD. No restrains, ORIGINAL script, full thought put into it. This is where it starts. The Star Beast was an obvious regain to consciousness. Reclaim the vibe of the show and setting of this whacky 40 minute adventures to Doctor Who. Back when cosmic horrors happened in 8 minutes then fixed itself by the end of the episode. Naming a few like that could include, The Unicorn and the Wasp, Tooth and Claw, 42, School Reunion, Idiots Lantern. With Wild Blue Yonder being a horror means that things are turned UP. Out goes the cringey dialogue of last episode and straight into action. We’ve all seen Series 4s “Midnight.” That was penned by RTD instead of a corny game-show episode. RTD made the conscious decision to make a horror for a filler instead of his original intended idea. I think I’ve heard more news about this “Wild Blue Yonder” than I have about any other part to this 3 part story. And ironically it’s the one episode that has had no one from the outside witness. It’s so secret that not even the trailers reveal anything. Remember there’s also the cryptic teasers showing reversed themes, David’s OG TARDIS, etc. Something tells me Russell planned all of this from the start. Something is happening behind the scenes and I feel we’re being laughed at jumping to conclusions and attempting to theorise things…
The Boss has to have two hearts because *why* would they care about another two hearted creature unless they had two hearts themself. The Duchess. The Rani.
I know it was a slip of the tongue, but when you accidentally said ToyMASTER … I could absolutely see RTD making that connection and using that as a way to bring in the Doctor’s greatest adversary. Hell, I’m half convinced RTD was having tea one day and came up with the non-binary thing and wrote The Star Beast around that that idea.
@@quintuscrinis I know where it came from. It’s BASED on the comic, but RTD wrote the screenplay. The non-binary, thing, though, has nothing to do with the comic. It’s not like this was a straight adaptation.
I am convinced Donna has died for real - all these near misses and references to not dying, and that all the doctor had experience since she got her memory back is just toy maker manipulation
My thoughts is if they are pulling old multi media for star beast and they add some comic/novel , then the toymaker has stolen the doctors friends body pre series, so he can be trying to take the doctor or donnas body.
Will the Toymaker collect beings that have two hearts? He is the master of the Meep (who has two hearts). He may collect all the versions of the Doctor.
"The Boss" is another Gender Neutral term...I'm guessing that indicates they are hiding the fact that the boss is female... They are bringing back Davina McCall for the Christmas special, ..could she be playing The Boss.?
Doctor Who doesn't need a "Thanos" or need to be anything like marvel ... We already did that big threat with Davros (who Joe can no longer be utilised) we have had the silence as an overall threat too , the timelords themselves also as a major threat twice and the master/missy too ... We just need something good and The Star Beast was just absolutely meh an hour of no actual story scale or stakes was just bizarre to endure last night weakest post Regen story since twin dilemma ... Bar the meeps mannerisms and bar some nice Donna rose moments this wasn't a good episode ...tennsnt isn't a fave doctor if mine and sadly it showed last night , Whittaker I felt was missing massively there which shows her charm I adored so much .... Capaldi and Smith are my faves too ...tennsnt just doesn't connect the same way
He was in an episode back in the 60s called "The Celestial Toymaker". Unfortunately a lot of that one is missing, so you'll have a hard time trying to watch it
@@jarrodedson5441 His thing is basically mind game and illusions. In the original he took the First Doctor and his companions to his own imaginary realm where he messed around with them.
I think it’s based on: “If the [first] Doctor and his companions had been able to look outside (the scanner was not on) they would have been able to see that the TARDIS was standing in the middle of a large octagonal room, not unlike the interior of the TARDIS itself. From each angle, lines stretched to the centre of the room. The TARDIS was standing at the exact point where the lines intersected. ” - Doctor Who: The Celestial Toymaker by Gerry Davis, Alison Bingeman
Maybe the Doctor should meet God as he's already met the Beast (Devil)? Refer to the Most High. However, another being with two hearts seems a suggestive line. The Boss obviously has a predilection for dual cardiovascular systems. I really hope it won't be Rassilon or Omega. Why would the Celestial Toymaker have a TARDIS? He is an Eternal and not a Timelord? Maybe the Boss is actually the Psychic Sun entity like the one in the Star in Rings of Akhenaten? Or maybe the Beast that is trapped in the black hole? Imprisoned but trying to emerge. Maybe through a wormhole?
The boss is 100% the 15th doctor, you’ll never see it coming, I think he’s playing mysterious behind the scenes because he knows he’s the actual next doctor. Not saying he’s the villain he’s just using villains to get the 14th doctor where he needs him to be so he can finally take his turn as the Doctor
My prediction is that the boss is the Toymaker/Valeyard. They turned the Meep's sun pyscadellic somehow and will do the same to our sun in The Giggle (hence Kate's line). And somehow we will need River Song's help as well, hence why she expected the doctor to recognise her and know about various later events she mentioned in the library. Eventually the doctor will have to regenerare having already lost Donna again.
@@lexruptoralso The Doctor got a new Regeneration cycle cancelling out the Valeyard arrival. Seeing that he is to appears before his last Regeneration - now the Doctor has a new cycle that's been postponed for a long time before it rolls around again 😂
@Mark-nh2hs well except that this face was the last one before that original cycle ended and the regeneration was both a delayed and very negatively fought one. So could the Valeyard have broken off during that final original cycle regeneration, and now we need the face that allowed them to break off to make sure they are fully reabsorbed/defeated?
The Boss is probably the Trickster, and The Toymaker is just a part of that. The Toymaker THINKS he's the big bad, but he's just another pawn in the game.
If 'the boss' is really in prison, then here is a twist. What if 'the boss' was imprisoned in Shada during the time 13 was there and we just didn't see it?
Not Omega again 😂. NuWho fans have been droning on about Omega return way back in season 2 onwards with every NuWho trailers. It's going to be the Toymaker as the Boss. But the only other person who has more power that him is The Black Guardian - which many don't seen to mention.
I will prey for you my name is Christopher rhead and iam 19 years old and i dont say these things for my own selfish endeavours to earn my way into his good graces we carnt ern salvation
What an awful special. Meep is now the jar jar of Dr who. Very annoying and stupid. No respect for the Dr Donna narrative. Tennant and Tate are just nostalgia bate. RTD has lost his mind. Dr Who is still dead.
You quite literally have no idea what you're talking about. First off we all got fooled by Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars being a sithlord and dark side equivalent to Yoda, he's a foil to him in every way. (Hene why it's he that's The Phantom Menace. You can literally see him force manipulating dialogue of several characters with him in the background lip syncing) Second of all coming back to Doctor Who, Beep the Meep's dialogue is almost exactly like the comic and the people who originally wrote them had hands on with the episode production process.
@@zocialix the comparison was to assert that introducing meep into Whovian canon is as annoying as jarjar of star wars episode 1. The fact RTD reused someone else’s content (a comic no less) on the first episode that was suppose to “revive” a dead show is another indication he’s lost his mind.
@@Brandonw55 The only comparison you could make is that both Beep the Meep and Jar Jar Binks were very successful at pulling the wool over peoples eyes with their seemingly bumbling nature. Furthermore, you do know the point of a Doctor Who ANIVERSARY special right, it's to incorporate older elements and implement it with the new. This is the same for 50th Aniversary (Which I don't like as much for what it did to the Time War and how it undermined how psychotically desperately evil Time-Lords became towards the end) with multiple Doctor's crossing their time-lines and use of classic monsters such as Zygons. Beep the Meep is a classic Doctor Who villian from a comic of Tom Baker's era that's been finally brought to life on the television screens with masterful use of practical and CGI effects. This is like spilitting hairs and asking why do showrunners bring back other classic Doctor Who characters such as The Master and Daleks or reinvent the Cybermen which Rusell T Davies knocked out of the park, why not?
1. Jarjar in star wars was universally hated to the point the actor contemplated suicide at the time. Meep was similarly stupid and annoying. 2. The 50th involved the best marketing and writing and was the climax of the modern Who paradigm. Several highly followed Whovian commentators (that aren’t a shill for the BBC) have stated similar statements about this first special being cow manure compared to the glorious 50th
@@Brandonw55 Yeah, cause the Star Wars fandom is full of internet obssessed weirdos that drive people to hurt. Truth is you got duped by Jar Jar Binks, you can tell in hindsight he was meant to be a foil to Yoda and would've explaind why Yoda reacted in kind to first meeting Luke. As Lucas said it rhymes like poetry. We were just to stupid to see it. Meep was similarly devious in his perceived stupidity and seemingly harmless apperance. The 50th special of Doctor Who was wasted on focusing too much on a single Zygon whilst randomly flipping through one moment to the next till eventually Time War is reversed yet no set up to showing how Doctor's all knew what to do at that specific point in time (It could've been excellent if more was done to set this up but it just comes across as under developed to me instead Moffat opts to use that time to focus on a joke 10 made in End of Time Part 1 about being married to Queen Elizabeth... Least the Meep's ship acts as a reason for Doctor-Donna to follow.), problem with a lot of Moffat's stories is they don't give time for a story beat to breath. They skip along in order to quickly get to the next plot point without regards for the potential consequence of the broader narrative that's being told. Characters are rarely developed and he creates so many plot threads of which the large bulk of them don't even get resolved clearly. (Such as was crack in the wall from Tardis exploding or Time-Lords trying to make contact with The Doctor to give him more regeneration cycles? Seems to be whatever Moffat wants x plot device to be in spur of the moment the further he wrote himself into a corner. Also the plot detail of Trenzalore essentially being The Tardis manifesting a graveyard is just dropped in the Time of the Doctor. Matt Smith's final episode doing him an absolute disservice.) Literally my favourite episodes of Matt Smith and Capaldi Era are from writers that weren't Moffat. For Matt Smith, A Town Called Mercy by Toby Whithouse. In addition Jamie Mathieson is another such example in Capaldi's era with Mummy on the Orient Express and Flatline) Moffat works better when he allows himself to focus on a single environment like Skaro in The Witch's Familiar where Doctor, Davros have a conversation about their ideologies, Blink, and Empty Child. He loses the plot the moment he tries to jump back n' forth timelines without their seemingly being a reason to do so. (The Magician's Apprentice.) Why is The Doctor on a tank playing electric guitar in medieval England times? (Who cares now we're on Skaro) Things just happen in Moffat's era of Doctor Who and it becomes increasingly clear the more you watch it. Moffat is overated. Also, this special wasn't the 60th final it's a piece of the story, the second and thrid episode directly follow on from it. Anyway to end on Moffat. His characters are 2-Dimensional plot devices, his plot lines are more often than not needlessly contrived and his story arcs are all over the place. Oh and his fans are really obnoxiously annoying who are under the impression they've solved some of the most complicated Doctor Who stories when a lot of them are a random mess of contradictions...
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My theory is that all these specials are the Toymaker just wanting to play with his favorite toys again. The first special really solidified this for me, with it being a FOURTH Doctor story, but now with 10 in that role. It’s just like a kid pulling out all his favorites to play with one last time … and that being similar to RTD’s situation, getting to play with his favorites again, I think it all makes sense.
Really enjoyed the first special, but very surprised that many of the scenes we thought might be part of that second special were in this … making me think we know even less about Wild Blue Yonder than we thought we did just a couple days ago.
Yeah! Theres several moments that feel exactly like that scene from flesh and stone with future 11, I'm not 100% sure but it feels almost like things were too easy? In a suspicious way.
Well yeah I figure this is all a "prank" by the Toymaker because 1. The 14th Doctor's clothes changed along with his appearance and 2. Donna spilling coffee isnt going to set the TARDIS ablaze. I think the Toymaker is drawing them in.
Notice also Rose, Donna's Daughter specifically makes toys. Something tells me Toymaker has orchestrated the temporal postponing of metacrisis, but it's not actually gone entirely.
And selling them to the master.
I think we will see Ncuti in this episode, and it will be a multi-doctor story, but not in the way we expect.
I don’t think so I think towards end
He's gonna be in the third episode unfortunately
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Unfortunately?
I think it's a good idea having someone young and electric play the character.
It will be end of the giggles episode ncuti gwa
@@exploringwithkeiran7876yall were wrong
My prediction is that it'll be a Nostalgia Trap for the Doctor and Donna, letting him keep his face and her memories if they agree to become his toys, would be a good metaphor for trapping tge show in a cycle of the same characters being made to remake stories for eternity, which ends with them making peace with the old days being gone and decide to look to the future with Ncuti taking control. In regards to the Meep, I think it would've been interesting for the Doctor to remember the original comic story and wonder why he's reliving old adventures.
Yesss oh my god, yes, please let this be the case.
I honestly don't believe any other Doctor will be showing up now apart from as some sort of archive footage. Although I think 14 & 15 will meet each other at that Regeneration scene.
Loved the special, ending felt a bit rushed but I figure this is the toymakers doing, I think the trap for the doctor is if he stops the toymaker, Donna will die… ‘I don’t know if I can save your life this time..’
Dalek Carn said ‘this would always have happened, I only helped, Doctor’ - I like to think he seen this future when he went into the time lock unprotected
I have a theory and it REALLY makes sense and answers the a big question.
When The Doctor and Donna have their heart tto heart scene in the new T.A.R.D.I.S, Donna asks him 'Why this face again?'. He shrugs it off and it withdrawn for the rest of the conversation. Even being coy (in the 10th style of doing so) when she says 'Have some friends'. But he says something absolutely crucial in a almost 'odd' way of saying it.
He pauses and tells Donna 'I really do remember it tho. All those times with you' (I am paraphrasing a bit here). Then he says 'It killed me. It killed me. It killed me.
This is the key!
Donna and Rose have both just let go of their meta crisis. The part of 10 energy that lived in them.
It killed the Doctor twice.
14 is here as 10 as the energy was linked and could not move on into the Timelord afterlife (as shown in 13's finale) while it was split.
10 lost his life and he regenerated. But he had to return to retrieve the rest of his 'soul' so to speak. As soon as Donna and Rose let go... 14 has begun recycling his regenertion (almost like a "Let's do this again, but with everyone this time)'.
He knows it's coming. He figured it out as soon as he and Donna began their moment of remimiscing.
We have two episofrs left and just like his last regeneration, it's taking it's time to cycle through the process, but completely this time around.
This shuts the door on the Doctor Donna, completely and is also his trump card agaist The Toymaker as he has the upper hand in knowing he is going to change / die.
In comes 15 and Seaon 1 (Disney Era) begins without having to tread over the same ground again.
But like I said, it's just a theory lol
Oooooo I like that a lot...
Would be really neat if, like you said, the Giant Toymaker String scene is the reveal that he's been influencing the Doctor and Donna's actions; A whole flashback montage including the coffee drop scene where we learn that certain actions they made were done by the toymaker pulling their strings. Something about an otherworldly force controlling you with no way of actually knowing you're being controlled is creepy to me.
Could the Meep's "Boss" be a Red Herring?
Obviously its intended to implicate the Toymaker, but could it be someone else? The Master for example
I think it would be fitting if "The Boss" was another Doctor Who character who first appeared in the comics. A crime boss who was first seen in the Doctor Who Magazine comic strip "The Moderator" named Josiah W. Dogbolter. He is kinda like kingpin from spiderman except he's a frog man.
Didn't Beep the Meep have a "Boss" he worked for. What you wrote is ringing a bell from way way back.
Seeing David running around the set screaming "This is Amazing" had me smiling from ear to ear. I know there has been some talk of David perhaps being overused but it's great to see him back. No disrespect to any actors who followed him but it's as if he's never been away. I'm almost sad we're only getting this for three episodes after all the hype. It would be nice to see a full season run with maybe Donna stepping aside and the new Rose as main companion. Really enjoyed watching this. Looking forward to the episodes to come
Definitely need a big Thanos type villain in the whoniverse and the toymaker would fill that role perfectly😃
I believe it's DEFINATLEY gonna be the Toymaker who is the boss. After all, The Meep were controlled by a psychedelic sun. This makes perfect sense since the original Toymaker story was called "The Celestial Toymaker". The word Celestial relating to the sun.
I believe the Tardis realised Donna was there once she spilled the coffee and went into panic mode
The Boss is implied to be specifically interested in people (other people?) with two hearts…. Therefore….
Therefore?
Like… the master? Cos he’s always trying to steal the doctors regenerations? Davros? I’m not sure what you’re hinting at here
The boss is Gallifreyan? Please explain what you're talking about
Maybe an elder Time Lord like a modern interpretation of Omega or The Other? I feel like the master is far too obvious!
Therefore... I have no idea!
Question - How do we know they are in the same TARDIS as the one he exited from? The interior changed in the meantime. It surprised The Doctor.
Maybe it's not The Doctor's TARDIS. Maybe it was swapped during the episode.
Exactly this. How better for the toymaker to manipulate his toy than to control external reality. 14 definitely noticed something was off..
When Meep made a BIG DEAL about "Two Hearts"
That got me thinking...
We've seen Aliens with two heads, two tails.. Aliens differ in so many ways.
BUT, Why was the Doctor's "Two Hearts" such a BIG deal.
Of course I'm coming to "The Master" .. I believe Meep is talking about "The Master" as "The Boss"
Spoiler...............................................John Simm is in the cast list!!!
@@thecelticdruid7707For the next series or the upcoming episodes?
@@alexrobertssings For "Wild blue yonder", I saw the cast list on IMDB.
The 3 specials are alien TV shows for a species that idolises the Doctor (a species from 10's era). They are orchestrated by the Toymaster. The Doctor is not aware, like the Truman Show. RTD will use this to create a meta commentary about toxic fandom and how audiences shouldn't expect to dictate what a TV show does.
You forgot to mention that Rahel Talalay posted pictures online of herself with Peter Capaldi and Matt Lucas around the time that the 60th Specials were being filmed.
Oh, and also, perhaps the episode will be similar to Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS where 11 and Clara were pursued through the endless maze of corridors and rooms by the villains, only this time it will be the deceiving robots we see on the poster, who are dispatched by 15's TARDIS to take care of the paradox which has been unleashed by 14 being inside the 15th Doctor's TARDIS alongside Donna, though that's just my theory. Perhaps the robots go rogue though and malfunction so that instead of harmlessly returning 14 and Donna to the earlier timeline where their TARDIS has ran off to, they seek to kill them which Donna, 14 and 15 must team up to defeat!
Interesting that Rose Noble is also a toymaker...probably nothing!
It's NuWho anything is possible regardless how out there or daft it is 😂
my belif is that the toymakers story will be a continuation of the original toymaker story. in short the doctor escaped what was meant to be his destruction in episode 4 of the celestial toymaker. the toymaker in his own words is a bad looser. he always destroys the destroyer. given the natural process of destroying the winner failed i assume the toymaker is out to complete the destruction himself. he may put donna in a game to lure the doctor. the toymaker is very relaxed and due to his immortality he knows he will always win with enough time. i assume he has been playing in this time so far and he believes he has improved at games or at least his commands. (in the original story the toymaker was never playing he just commanded the pieces and they auto played to perfection in the set of moves he commanded. given it only responded to his voice the doctor did a really good impression and it obeyed him leading to the doctors victory.) he may even put the doctor into another game that forces the doctor to loose and limits his regenerations and forces him towards the end of the cycle. (it would also be a good call back to what they were going to do in the original toymaker story) and that could lead to us have ncuti. ncuti seems to have a more major role than we are expecting. especially being teased in the trailers as much as he has. (even seeing his doctors outfit in the offical trailer.) if it is any one of these it would still be in line with the toymakers character which i am really hoping they dont make him your generic doctor who baddie because he is so much more than that. and one of the reasons im worried is it seems hes more murderous than his original counterpart. the original toymaker was out to see you loose your life but not exactly die. he was there to make you his toy if you win you did die and were techneclly free to go but the toymaker didnt let you have a fair chance of survival either way. you either lost and became his toy forever or won and died. there was no way out of techneclly loosing who you were. he was also very subtle on movement usually only walking and keeping his hands in similar positions. the only other movements were usually snapping his fingers when using his powers. and his calming voice and calm movements are all but gone so far in the new toymaker. even in the calmer lines there is still so much energy in neil's toymaker that i am still very worried and really hope they dont use that energy and spoil the character. (and the toymaker did have a beard. very much like a goatee in the nightmare fair audio drama)
I did love TSB, it was nice to see it looks like WBY will be a truly terrifying episode and I cannot wait to see it next weekend, plus seeing Matt Smith back as 11 to team up with David Tennant's 14 would be awesome because 11 had such great chemistry with 10 in TDOTD, I loved it so much. But if Richard E. Grant's Shalka Doctor makes an appearance that would be cool to see as well, and maybe 14 could mistake him for being the Great Intelligence before he tells him who he really is, that sounds really fun. I do think that maybe 14 meeting Ncuti Gatwa's 15 is a strong possibility as well though, and it could be towards the end of his life as he is about to regenerate again so yeah. Maybe 14 asks 15 to tell him what happened, but 15 insists that he does not want to know or it will break him, 14 keeps on demanding to know though until he finally gives in. What 15 tells the 14th Doctor about the cause of his upcoming regeneration is something so horrific that it makes him scream out in anger and bang his hands against the wall which we see in the trailers as you know. So now the Doctor will know what happens in the future, and maybe this is why 15 is crying in the Christmas special footage because he is still shaken by the information as well as knows the awful fate of his current self which cannot be stopped. Sounds very dark I know, but I agree with The Confused Adipose that any one of those theories do sound plausible and could happen, but who knows, we shall find out in the coming weeks!
The celestial Toymaker isn’t a time Lord. I’m still waiting for the reveal that the timeless child is Morbius messing around with the Matrix
I wouldn't look top deep on "the boss". Its probably the Toymaker. The sort of people who make, or comment on, these videos are a small slice of the target audience. The bulk of the audience won't know who the Toymaker is, so any misdirection is lost.
I do hope there is more classic series reference than just the Toymaker and Mel appearing, that doesn't necessarily require multi-Doctor but it does seem more a "Russell returns" special than a 60th so far.
I think it could be the toy maker or they are doing a misdirection and toy maker pulls a "wait you thought I was the boss nah I'm like second in command to -insert person-". Personally I think it some one we have not seen in a long time in the doctor who universe someone believed to be long dead...someone that uses a royal title ...yes the rani! And what new character has been announced that uses a title the duchess ! I think the success could be the rani.
I don't know if anyone noticed but i think the toymaker actually appeared in the this episode just after the moment those soldiers minds got controlled. On bbc iplayer or at @18:31 in the episode you will see someone walk past Shirley and it looks like the toymaker. We dont see this person later on in the episode. Thoughts???
As you have mentioned, that Meep said, "Another with 2 hearts"..! Just who has two hearts.!..?
Thanks for the offer for a full review of "Star Beast" by yourself. Yes please!
I tried watching the previous review, and the sound level was terrible (I'm sure everyone had some interesting things to say... I just couldn't hear most of the dialogue, unfortunately), so I had to give up on it... which was a shame.
i find it funny how both stories so far have dealt with identity in someway
The star beast: Beep the Meep is a character with a misleading identity, they look and act cute, but are actually an evil creature, the day is saved because of Roses identity
WIld blue Yonder: the Not!things are creatures without an identity, they copy people's faces, the day is saved by the doctor figuring out Donna's identity
Ik its not always accurate but for one of the specials John Simm is credited for playing the Master!
The guy buying toy's from Rosey.
@@wispa1awhat do you mean?
I'd be down for a full review. Bit scared as don't want to subject you too all the "you know" comments regarding people who disliked Rose
@10th_Doctor_ oh I agree, I loved Rose and I didn't mind how she was written at all. Yeah there's a few heavier lines at the end but I know Russell and his style of writing. But there's are people up in arms at the idea of a trans-person in Doctor who in general, the writing just adds more fuel to their hate. Seen some awful comments on twitter and a video or 2 on here today as well as idiots commenting on others videos.
@@10th_Doctor_facts
No one disliked Rose, you people need to quit dismissing valid criticism every time it happens, it's really rude
@@anthonyfisher-7090Not really, no. Only people upset that her trans-ness was made vital to the plot for no real reason.
@lexruptor well given the fact that people were in a flap about having a trans-actor even cast way before the episode went out before the episode even Aired shows the level of "valid criticism" I'm talking about. Not to mention tweets I have seen from people watching and I qoute "trans propaganda within the first 15 mins" how is that a valid point or argument? Spoiler its not. All before the climax, meta crisis stuff. So in context you tell me within the first 15 minutes how idiots like that are "valid" oh and lastly unfortunately plenty of people "disliked Rose" for that very reason I mentioned. Don't believe me. Have a look a Bowelstrek, nerdrotic or any of those other channels saying trans People need to be censored
The fact that the Doctor's clothes also regenerated, and with RTD's comments about Davros (which have to be deliberately fake) make me think that all the specials are going to be a dream, or an alternate universe thing. We will only get back to "reality" when the next "regeneration" corrects reality.
Or maybe i'm just a sad fanboy theorist.
My theory is that he's planning to cause trouble.
I also like the idea of Wild Blue Yonder containing other Doctors from other universes and, like you said it including Richard E. Grant as the Shalka Doctor, but what if it also features....ROWAN ATKINSON AS THE FATAL DEATH DOCTOR?! Can you just imagine how many people would freak out about that?
I’d love to see a review just from you, if possible 🙌🏻🙏🏻🤞🏻
Lastly, I think we might see multiple Doctors come back as RTD made a comment somewhere that we would see the Remember TARDIS from Tales of the TARDIS again, so what if all the actors from those episodes have cameos in the 60th?
I liked that DoctorWho is now in 4K Dolby Vision
Honestly imo the Star Beast was a proper adaptation. It was sumn that already exists. RTD might’ve had some limitations which coulda caused tha lack-luster u guys mighta experienced. What I’m tryna say is please hold on just a sec guys. Don’t judge just yet PLEASE. Wild Blue Yonder is purely RTD. No restrains, ORIGINAL script, full thought put into it.
This is where it starts. The Star Beast was an obvious regain to consciousness. Reclaim the vibe of the show and setting of this whacky 40 minute adventures to Doctor Who. Back when cosmic horrors happened in 8 minutes then fixed itself by the end of the episode. Naming a few like that could include, The Unicorn and the Wasp, Tooth and Claw, 42, School Reunion, Idiots Lantern.
With Wild Blue Yonder being a horror means that things are turned UP. Out goes the cringey dialogue of last episode and straight into action. We’ve all seen Series 4s “Midnight.” That was penned by RTD instead of a corny game-show episode. RTD made the conscious decision to make a horror for a filler instead of his original intended idea.
I think I’ve heard more news about this “Wild Blue Yonder” than I have about any other part to this 3 part story. And ironically it’s the one episode that has had no one from the outside witness. It’s so secret that not even the trailers reveal anything. Remember there’s also the cryptic teasers showing reversed themes, David’s OG TARDIS, etc.
Something tells me Russell planned all of this from the start. Something is happening behind the scenes and I feel we’re being laughed at jumping to conclusions and attempting to theorise things…
Maybe the boss is actually... TECTEUN lol
It's the Rani. Master of monsters.
I personally think there's a villain above the Toy Maker. Just seems too simple that we already know the boss without some sort of big twist.
Buying those toy's online.
The master.
The sixth doctor and peri brown were on set for a photo recently. So maybe a few doctors pop up
The Boss has to have two hearts because *why* would they care about another two hearted creature unless they had two hearts themself. The Duchess. The Rani.
What if it's a tease for a Ncuti Gatwa 2024 episode, and The Boss is actually Sil? !!!
What if it's multiple masters and missy from all the years of dr who
I know it was a slip of the tongue, but when you accidentally said ToyMASTER … I could absolutely see RTD making that connection and using that as a way to bring in the Doctor’s greatest adversary. Hell, I’m half convinced RTD was having tea one day and came up with the non-binary thing and wrote The Star Beast around that that idea.
The Star beast comes from a comic in the 80s so all RTD did was adapt it and join it with the overarching theme of the specials.
@@quintuscrinis I know where it came from. It’s BASED on the comic, but RTD wrote the screenplay. The non-binary, thing, though, has nothing to do with the comic. It’s not like this was a straight adaptation.
Not the Master again - face palm I hope not sick of seeing him now. 😂
I am convinced Donna has died for real - all these near misses and references to not dying, and that all the doctor had experience since she got her memory back is just toy maker manipulation
My thoughts is if they are pulling old multi media for star beast and they add some comic/novel , then the toymaker has stolen the doctors friends body pre series, so he can be trying to take the doctor or donnas body.
Matt Smith was replaced with nguti gatwa in adventure in space and time
I Agee with my brother. The Tardis is a Drama Queen using the coffee as an excuse to take them where they Need to be.
The boss is the warlord/master from the war games !
The master sounds likes boss but maybe John Simms master.
Will the Toymaker collect beings that have two hearts? He is the master of the Meep (who has two hearts). He may collect all the versions of the Doctor.
The boss is the Valeyard of course. 😂
The boss has to be the toymaker
Eckelson as the Valyard.
I reckon they’re going to separate the doctors regeneration so past doctors can appear in specials
Also. Maybe Rose has been selling those toys she makes to the Toymaker.
Doctor Who already had a "Thanos" & he's half Dalek.
The Master is Half Dalek? 😅
Great video thank you
I think the man with the goatee could be Colin Baker
In the video commentary to star beast David said he didn't know who the boss is so i think it's really about Ncuti Doctor
You called the Meep "he" and "him", but we know from the episode that the Meep's chosen pronouns are the definite article: The Meep.
Unfortunately from what i heard Matt Smith wasnt brought back
my theory is this is Clara and ashildr tardis
2 hearts MASTER
I guess the boss is the series 14 villain
I think they might have landed in houses new house
"The Boss" is another Gender Neutral term...I'm guessing that indicates they are hiding the fact that the boss is female... They are bringing back Davina McCall for the Christmas special, ..could she be playing The Boss.?
Doctor Who doesn't need a "Thanos" or need to be anything like marvel ... We already did that big threat with Davros (who Joe can no longer be utilised) we have had the silence as an overall threat too , the timelords themselves also as a major threat twice and the master/missy too ... We just need something good and The Star Beast was just absolutely meh an hour of no actual story scale or stakes was just bizarre to endure last night weakest post Regen story since twin dilemma ... Bar the meeps mannerisms and bar some nice Donna rose moments this wasn't a good episode ...tennsnt isn't a fave doctor if mine and sadly it showed last night , Whittaker I felt was missing massively there which shows her charm I adored so much .... Capaldi and Smith are my faves too ...tennsnt just doesn't connect the same way
So is the toy maker an original Doctor Who villian? Or a recurring one?
Second appearance.
He was in an episode back in the 60s called "The Celestial Toymaker". Unfortunately a lot of that one is missing, so you'll have a hard time trying to watch it
@@Hb1290Logos wait so give me some more context to this character
@@jarrodedson5441 His thing is basically mind game and illusions. In the original he took the First Doctor and his companions to his own imaginary realm where he messed around with them.
@@Hb1290Logosdang, I didn't know that
Please do a review by you're self😊😊😊
15 Will meet 14?
I think it’s based on:
“If the [first] Doctor and his companions had been able to look outside (the scanner was not on) they would have been able to see that the TARDIS was standing in the middle of a large octagonal room, not unlike the interior of the TARDIS itself. From each angle, lines stretched to the centre of the room. The TARDIS was standing at the exact point where the lines intersected. ”
- Doctor Who: The Celestial Toymaker by Gerry Davis, Alison Bingeman
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Maybe the Doctor should meet God as he's already met the Beast (Devil)? Refer to the Most High.
However, another being with two hearts seems a suggestive line. The Boss obviously has a predilection for dual cardiovascular systems. I really hope it won't be Rassilon or Omega.
Why would the Celestial Toymaker have a TARDIS? He is an Eternal and not a Timelord?
Maybe the Boss is actually the Psychic Sun entity like the one in the Star in Rings of Akhenaten? Or maybe the Beast that is trapped in the black hole? Imprisoned but trying to emerge. Maybe through a wormhole?
Nope
The boss is 100% the 15th doctor, you’ll never see it coming, I think he’s playing mysterious behind the scenes because he knows he’s the actual next doctor. Not saying he’s the villain he’s just using villains to get the 14th doctor where he needs him to be so he can finally take his turn as the Doctor
Thought it was a great comeback for who
It would've been, if it was great, and if it was coming back, but it was mid, and the show never left, so alas, misinformation.
My prediction is that the boss is the Toymaker/Valeyard. They turned the Meep's sun pyscadellic somehow and will do the same to our sun in The Giggle (hence Kate's line).
And somehow we will need River Song's help as well, hence why she expected the doctor to recognise her and know about various later events she mentioned in the library. Eventually the doctor will have to regenerare having already lost Donna again.
The Valeyard is a dropped plotline, it's not coming back, it got the show canceled.
@@lexruptor The trial of a timelord was 5 years or so before the cancellation.
@@lexruptoralso The Doctor got a new Regeneration cycle cancelling out the Valeyard arrival. Seeing that he is to appears before his last Regeneration - now the Doctor has a new cycle that's been postponed for a long time before it rolls around again 😂
@Mark-nh2hs well except that this face was the last one before that original cycle ended and the regeneration was both a delayed and very negatively fought one. So could the Valeyard have broken off during that final original cycle regeneration, and now we need the face that allowed them to break off to make sure they are fully reabsorbed/defeated?
The Boss is probably the Trickster, and The Toymaker is just a part of that. The Toymaker THINKS he's the big bad, but he's just another pawn in the game.
The Black Guardian 😂
If 'the boss' is really in prison, then here is a twist. What if 'the boss' was imprisoned in Shada during the time 13 was there and we just didn't see it?
nope
Could it be omega the boss ?
Not Omega again 😂. NuWho fans have been droning on about Omega return way back in season 2 onwards with every NuWho trailers. It's going to be the Toymaker as the Boss. But the only other person who has more power that him is The Black Guardian - which many don't seen to mention.
It wasn't "not perfect". It was a hot, woke, mess. Doctor Who is destroyed.
If it's The Master again he's becoming as overused as the Daleks. Now what if it's cue dramatic music - The Black Guardian 😂
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What an awful special. Meep is now the jar jar of Dr who. Very annoying and stupid. No respect for the Dr Donna narrative. Tennant and Tate are just nostalgia bate. RTD has lost his mind. Dr Who is still dead.
You quite literally have no idea what you're talking about. First off we all got fooled by Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars being a sithlord and dark side equivalent to Yoda, he's a foil to him in every way. (Hene why it's he that's The Phantom Menace. You can literally see him force manipulating dialogue of several characters with him in the background lip syncing) Second of all coming back to Doctor Who, Beep the Meep's dialogue is almost exactly like the comic and the people who originally wrote them had hands on with the episode production process.
@@zocialix the comparison was to assert that introducing meep into Whovian canon is as annoying as jarjar of star wars episode 1. The fact RTD reused someone else’s content (a comic no less) on the first episode that was suppose to “revive” a dead show is another indication he’s lost his mind.
@@Brandonw55 The only comparison you could make is that both Beep the Meep and Jar Jar Binks were very successful at pulling the wool over peoples eyes with their seemingly bumbling nature. Furthermore, you do know the point of a Doctor Who ANIVERSARY special right, it's to incorporate older elements and implement it with the new. This is the same for 50th Aniversary (Which I don't like as much for what it did to the Time War and how it undermined how psychotically desperately evil Time-Lords became towards the end) with multiple Doctor's crossing their time-lines and use of classic monsters such as Zygons. Beep the Meep is a classic Doctor Who villian from a comic of Tom Baker's era that's been finally brought to life on the television screens with masterful use of practical and CGI effects. This is like spilitting hairs and asking why do showrunners bring back other classic Doctor Who characters such as The Master and Daleks or reinvent the Cybermen which Rusell T Davies knocked out of the park, why not?
1. Jarjar in star wars was universally hated to the point the actor contemplated suicide at the time. Meep was similarly stupid and annoying. 2. The 50th involved the best marketing and writing and was the climax of the modern Who paradigm. Several highly followed Whovian commentators (that aren’t a shill for the BBC) have stated similar statements about this first special being cow manure compared to the glorious 50th
@@Brandonw55 Yeah, cause the Star Wars fandom is full of internet obssessed weirdos that drive people to hurt. Truth is you got duped by Jar Jar Binks, you can tell in hindsight he was meant to be a foil to Yoda and would've explaind why Yoda reacted in kind to first meeting Luke. As Lucas said it rhymes like poetry. We were just to stupid to see it. Meep was similarly devious in his perceived stupidity and seemingly harmless apperance.
The 50th special of Doctor Who was wasted on focusing too much on a single Zygon whilst randomly flipping through one moment to the next till eventually Time War is reversed yet no set up to showing how Doctor's all knew what to do at that specific point in time (It could've been excellent if more was done to set this up but it just comes across as under developed to me instead Moffat opts to use that time to focus on a joke 10 made in End of Time Part 1 about being married to Queen Elizabeth... Least the Meep's ship acts as a reason for Doctor-Donna to follow.), problem with a lot of Moffat's stories is they don't give time for a story beat to breath. They skip along in order to quickly get to the next plot point without regards for the potential consequence of the broader narrative that's being told. Characters are rarely developed and he creates so many plot threads of which the large bulk of them don't even get resolved clearly. (Such as was crack in the wall from Tardis exploding or Time-Lords trying to make contact with The Doctor to give him more regeneration cycles? Seems to be whatever Moffat wants x plot device to be in spur of the moment the further he wrote himself into a corner. Also the plot detail of Trenzalore essentially being The Tardis manifesting a graveyard is just dropped in the Time of the Doctor. Matt Smith's final episode doing him an absolute disservice.)
Literally my favourite episodes of Matt Smith and Capaldi Era are from writers that weren't Moffat. For Matt Smith, A Town Called Mercy by Toby Whithouse. In addition Jamie Mathieson is another such example in Capaldi's era with Mummy on the Orient Express and Flatline) Moffat works better when he allows himself to focus on a single environment like Skaro in The Witch's Familiar where Doctor, Davros have a conversation about their ideologies, Blink, and Empty Child. He loses the plot the moment he tries to jump back n' forth timelines without their seemingly being a reason to do so. (The Magician's Apprentice.) Why is The Doctor on a tank playing electric guitar in medieval England times? (Who cares now we're on Skaro) Things just happen in Moffat's era of Doctor Who and it becomes increasingly clear the more you watch it. Moffat is overated. Also, this special wasn't the 60th final it's a piece of the story, the second and thrid episode directly follow on from it.
Anyway to end on Moffat. His characters are 2-Dimensional plot devices, his plot lines are more often than not needlessly contrived and his story arcs are all over the place. Oh and his fans are really obnoxiously annoying who are under the impression they've solved some of the most complicated Doctor Who stories when a lot of them are a random mess of contradictions...