Brexit Crushes British Retirement Dreams in Spain
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- As the EU and Britain try to work out a deal to govern their trade relations after Brexit, the dreams that many British people have of retiring in Spain are being shattered by the new reality - and a whole new set of rules. For VOA from Sitges, on Spain’s Mediterranean coast, Alfonso Beato has this report narrated by Jonathan Spier.
Camera: Alfonso Beato
Produced by: Rob Raffaele
There are no "new" rules. There are only old rules which NOW apply to British immigrants, as you would expect for people who decided to leave the EU. Get it right, for God's sake.
see if england say they are new rules they can let the people who voted brexit in believe they are being attacked by the eu but if people are told their are old rules the entilted have nobody to blame but themselves
@@adriankearney4850 its as old as the world.. blame them! not me, for being stupid. Blojo blaming his own country men for not voting against him.. i did what you wanted!!
( living the high live in Mar bella.. mara lagoo)with his cousin in Flawrida
@@robertblokdijk901 Boris is just the same as any political crook, he will be happy to ride off in to the sunset now he's got Brexit through with his pension even tho he was old money rich
Good luck with that
You are right they voted for , they should enjoy their freedom now , it;s not finish yet the clock is still ticking.
English person living in Spain = Expat. Spanish person living in UK = Immigrant, can someone explain this to me please. Also, no matter who reports on this, they always make out that the Spanish are making up new rules to hinder the poor expats (who voted to be out of the European Community). These rules have been around for ages (well before Brexit), most of which the UK had a hand in making, now that they are no longer exempt from them, its blamed on the countries that uphold these laws. My parent immigrated to the UK many years ago, they had to follow their rules and regulation to do so, unfortunately, now it the the turn of the UK nationals wanting to retire/live in Europe, not out of spite, but out of choice, their choice, not ours.
Thank you, especially for the first point you made.
Third country person leaving in USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand = Illegal alien
British exceptionalism knows no barriers, even linguistically. It's just another way to sort people into a hierarchical structure
The main reason for English people to call themselves Expats when living abroad, is that it identifies them as being white.
Expat is a "nicer word"/euphemism for the same thing... you can probably guess what kind of people use which word for the respective groups.
(kind of how people waving a swastika flag call themself "alt-right" nowadays...)
Perhaps as a legacy of colonialism, British people tend to expect privileged treatment wherever they go. Obtaining a Spanish driving license if you live in Spain hardly seems an onerous or unfair requirement. One thing I noticed in the two years I lived in Spain was the disinterest of so many long term British residents of Spain to learn Spanish. In the UK Brits complain about immigrants not becoming British enough, but the ignorance of the culture and languages of countries British immigrants live in is often appalling.
Happens with American expats all the time. Partly to do with our inbred belief we rule the world and partly to do with English being a near universal 2nd language.
Another legacy of colonialism that annoys me is the use of the word expat. england is the only country that uses the word. You never hear about expat Irish or Greeks. And now with the new immigration laws that to live and work in the U.K. you must speak english, can't wait for the E.U. countries to apply that rule to the british immigrants that they speak the language of the country they plan to live in.
@@gilbertmoyes2918 Oh Ameican also love call themselves "expats" all the times. I often see some "expats" who spread years here and still dont speak our language. However, they have the audacity to say shit and spread misinformations about my people. Some idiotic western news media actually believe in that shits and paint him as some kind of hero
EXPATS 🤣🤣🤣🤣 IMMIGRANTS FROM 3RD WORLD 🤡🤡🦄🦄🤥🤥
This is not my experience. I know a lot of English people who are learning or already have a good level of the Italian language. Learning English is much easier than learning any other language as its grammar is very very very easy and it's quite simple to reach a level of confidence in speaking that allows you to get by. I bless the day when I decided to learn English and I was happy to practice it in Italy talking to English people. Learning a new language when you are quite old is even more difficult. And it's fair to say that these
people were spending their money in another country.
It does make me smile listening to the "expats" moaning about their problems. I first came to Europe to work for 6 months then I met a Dutch lady who spoke better English than myself. That was 50 years ago and I'm still here enjoying life as a retired Dutch pensioner. I live in a country where 80% of the people can speak English but knew that the first thing I had do is to learn the language. Now I feel complelty at home speaking either Dutch or English. Having a wife who speaks 5 languages certainly helped. My advice for the "expats" is learn the language of the country you are in and get all your paperwork in order.
Great words
This is indeed a funny video - so they can’t buy a local car and get Spanish car, they have to drive in the wrong direction, too? 😂
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 That arrogance is costing them dearly. If you are not willing to learn the language of the country you live in, then you are excluded out it.
Expats is just a nice nice word people invented for white immigrants.
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 Yeah, but they can't run a country now can they?
The referendum was June 2016. We arrived in Spain to retire in July 2016 - we knew what we had to do in the event of a worst case scenario and we did it. First step, NIE, then residencia and driving licence change. Spain announced that any Brit wanting to stay were welcome, as long as they fulfilled the interim requirements. Many Brits ignored these interim requirements stating "they won't dare chuck us out, we spend money - we own a house - we have been coming here for years". Now those interim requirements no longer apply and any Brit wanting to live in Spain must comply with EU rules applying to nonEU citizens (rules which UK as EU member helped to draw up). The people who ignored the chance they were given and now ignore the rules will have to pay the price - they can be deported and refused entry under the 90/180 days rule. The worst case scenario has happened and UK has turned its back on Europe - how else is Europe supposed to act? I'm alright Jack - I did it properly the first time.
I really wish you a brighter future in Spain. It's the same for us Spaniards "expats" living in the UK. We have to apply for settlement and if we don't, we will be deported; the only difference is that we didn't vote for this and the Brits did.
@@javiervagabond9524 Unless you cross the Channel in a dinghy!
@@tezinho81 To be honest, it didn’t cause me much trouble as I’ve been living and paying my taxes here for over 20 years. I requested my settlement as soon as I could and got it within one week. I also live in London where any type of crisis does not affect us as much as the rest of the country. After the Brexit vote I told my friends both in the UK and Spain that paradoxically those who voted for Brexit will be the one ssuffering the consequences in the northern red belt, in Wales, in Cornwall... London voted remain and it’ll be much less affected.
The arrogance of a brexiter and it come and bit them like it always was
@@glb6065 Ex-patriot has a very specific definition which is when you're working abroad but retain your original citizenship with the intention of returning when your employment is completed. So you could be working in India but still call yourself Brazilian.
If they had registered they would be ok, you can’t live in a country without paying their taxation,it’s not Brexit is just their laziness,
If You own a property in the EU you still have to pay taxes there as well as in the UK so don’t think that there is no taxation for people with homes abroad. They are hammered which ever way they go because of Brexit. The most stupid decision a civilised country could ever make. Madness, pure madness.
@@MrDavey2010 You pay tax in the country you are resident.
@@MrDavey2010 You mix up two things. Paying tax as an owner of a house and pay income tax are two different things. One does not have to pay tax twice.
@@funnelhacking Not in France. You have other taxes to pay despite not being resident in that country.
@@funnelhacking You pay tax in the country in which you are domiciled, which is not the same as "resident."
British Expat in Spain, cool! Then that makes me a Nigerian Expat in UK! Touchè! 😎
The Brits are good at this sort of thing straddling 2 horses at the same time. 😰it must be exhausting
@@tezinho81 Hahaha I never thought of it like this. Sure why not! Let's call everyone expats lol
Yes but they could still get Fish and Chips. Can you get Bush meat?
hey .... not funny ... we all gonna miss the orange Brit with a major sunburn on the beach. We will lose half the laughing factor for the holidays;-(
@@microfarming8583 Sure it will ... LOL. It is amazing how all world depends on the UK.
LMAO.
'Shock, as ex-pats realise they're just immigrants'
Ex-Pats were always immigrants in the U.S. We would just giggle instead of explaining it to them.
"Expats" - why not call them what they are? Immigrants.
And illegal from now🤣
Exactly.
@@alfonsolopez-pantoja8912 Indeed😉
how is someone living abroad with an English passport an immgrant?
Confusion! An immigrant is someone who has made willingly the decision to settle in another country and live there through working or earning his/her life through some kind of activity. It entails becoming eventually a citizen of that country ( and most of the time having to relinquish one’s original citizenship) and obtaining the right to vote. Retirees are only residents of that given country (often for tax purposes) and keep their « original » passport. Original, for a Brit, means British. Unless the retiree decides to adopt that country nationality and meets the requirements.
“I’ve moved abroad & now I can’t get British food” What is that all about?
😂😂😂😂
Happily, the absence of UK food on EU shelves has worked out very nicely for some Irish food exporters.
if you want British food perhaps you off stay in Britain or learn to like the Country Cuisine instead of whinging in any case I bet most Immigrants, or Expats who are Whinging voted for Brexit & thought all other Countries people would bow down to them just like centuries before the 2nd World War it Pathetic
British food...LOL.....So you mean british food is yummy?
I could not imagine living in Spain and not enjoying the Spanish cuisine. I mean I get it I love blood putting and all of that stuff but I live for Spanish food
Must be hard having your British way of life threatened when you live in a foreign country.
Haha, true. I have friends who live in France, but they're not Francophiles, don't speak French well, and haven't adopted the French way of life - they just wanted to live somewhere warmer but carry on like they're still in the UK.
Now they're entangled in the implications of living as foreigners there and of satisfying the resulting beurocracy, which is not a simple matter and the French have no interest in making it easy. Why should they ?
Like the Brits are the only ones to cling on to the country of origin just about every type of immigrant behaves like this globally.
@@btosi Very original
@@btosi So you happen to know when the person you commented on was born then? A boomer is someone born between the years of 1946 and 1964
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So do we get the perspective of Polish, Italian and Spanish EXPATS living in the UK? Why is expats label just used for British citizens?
Cause they got a broom stuck up their arse so far that it is propping up their ego to such a degree that they think they are better than anyone else and they got special ruleset just for their posh tastes. There, that should do it...
@@arvedludwig3584Race and privilege are very different things. Being asian is a race, being british is not. Brits are no less pink than a pole or a german.
If we label everything as a racism problem the word will lose it's impact and people will start to ignore it. It is already hapening around where i live.
Words matter and how you use them should be done with a lot more care.
@@arvedludwig3584 Yeah i can understand that perfectly. I was having an attempt to convey the importance of carefully choosing the words we use to express ourselves.
I am not a native english speaker either so i often have the same problem you do, all the more reason to get better at it :)
The word "immigrant" is highly negative connoted in Britain. That's the result of the agitation of far right politicians and the far right British media. Because British people consider themselves as something better than the displikes immigrants they created a new word: "Expats". Finally that's an expression of racism.
@@FarFromZero the main reason for brexit was because of immigration. The strain on the NHS and public services was caused by cuts from the Tories which were done post financial crisis. It was never the fault of immigrants who were paying more in tax than anyone else and contributing a lot more than anyone else. More businesses and workforces came from Europe and were helping the economy not harming it.
It made me laugh that British immigrants (NOT ex pats) can’t get British food, why should you expect to you are living in a foreign country adapt simple as.😤 by the way I am British
Right? Why didn’t anyone open a British grocery?
@@weltonvillegal6258 Because Britain decided to divert from EU standards, products that do not comply with EU standards cannot be imported to the EU. Proof that EU standards are upheld in a product, is on the producer. This goes separately for any batch of produce.
And processed meat is always excluded from trade between Britain and Spain or anywhere else in the EU.
What is british food. Never heard!
They invented a word because they dont like to think that they are inmigrants.... how big headed of them!!!
Why should they. Plenty of immigrants in the UK continue to eat the food from their own countries. Chinese, Indian, Caribbean, African......they all do it. Why just slag off Brits for doing it?
They are not expats but...immigrants..
@Stephen Valentine immigrants.
@Stephen Valentine how do you call people coming from other countries? Immigrants? Ok... They're immigrants as they are in Spain and came from UK. Glad we settled that , good night.
@Stephen ValentineSorry, Ex - Pat is someone who is sent to work overseas' for his company, British or otherwise, on a temporary posting. I was an Ex - Pat for twenty - five years, now an immigrant in France.
@Stephen Valentine Oxford dictionary to the rescue:
Expat: a person living in a country that is not their own (a short form of expatriate)
Immigrant: a person who has come to live *permanently* in a country that is not their own
@Stephen Valentine So what is your point?
Don't want to be in the UK but want the benefits. Tough Shit!!
Yeah - like they all claim the heating allowance even though they live in the sun! ( and only need any kind of heating for a month or two at most - I know , we've lived in Spain ))
What benefits u moron, people can’t claim here , they have to pay into the autonamos
How many people do u know that claim in Spain
They might claim from Britain which they have a right too , and I bet you claim or will claim , u pompous a h--
Probably payed for all there benefits all there life's paying taxes so not tough shit just wanting what they are entitled too.
Some Brits, living in Spain, travelled back to the UK to vote leave.
Only those who were still on the electoral rolls or who had left the UK recently. Actually, why not? Many EU citizens living in the UK can vote in their own country's elections and often with none of the restrictions applied to British ex-pats.
@@VLADIVOSTOK1954 The point is not that they voted. The issue is HOW they voted!!!!!!!!!
Voting against their own interests 🤔😵💫🫨🥴
The stupidest decision was to ignore the legal requirements to continue living in Spain. You only had 4 years to get it done.
Stupidest decision was ever voting Tory
Some of them need 40 years, by the sound of them.
@@Faliat LOL
@@lakeblackBLM Please rearrange the words to make a coherent sentence
@@lakeblackBLM I bet you've never lived though a Labour government as a tax paying adult because if you had, you would understand why the British people vote the Toffs into power time and time again or did that thought never cross your mind to ask why the majority vote Tory.
Immigrants, not Expats.
Refugees 😁
I noticed that too. It's the sort of 'British exceptionalism' that caused Brexit in the first place. When people go to the UK they're immigrants but when UK citizens go abroad, they're 'ex-pats'. They really think a lot of themselves.
You need to fight to establish certain rights for the Citizens of the UK.
@@truthagenda5699
You don't, you just regurgitate nonsense from your favorite talking head.
@@truthagenda5699 who pays you to write this drivel you always come up with? Get a proper job perhaps and you may well get your self-esteem back...
Just because you're brits doesn't mean you get to call yourself "expats". Why not call yourself immigrants ? I've never seen brits have trouble using that word to talk about anyone else.
Powerful statements and for many very hard too take. Particularly coming to a country who throughout history broke in the door, shit in the corner and told the inn keeper to clean it up
@@gaelicd8328
Your extreme use of metaphor is appreciated, but it is not always obvious as to the exact meaning in terms of actual occurrences.
@@memyself1566 are you British
You obviously have a bias, when considering the situation yourself. The explanation is like this - when British people talk about themselves, they like to call themselves expats; when talked about by other people within the country that the British have moved into, they are naturally called immigrants. It all depends on your personal perspective as an individual, of course! The United Kingdom, for your information, is filled to the brim with immigrants. They, of course, would consider themselves expats from their own country. The problem is that Britain has been dumped on by all of these people. It is all the fault of successive governments - although there is a strategy to the whole scheme. Most British people, or whatever you would like to call them, cannot see it.
@@gaelicd8328
Would you criticise the Spanish for doing similar things to South America and other parts of the world? Or, is it just “the British?”
It low key pisses me off how these immigrants are mad that they have to integrate into their destination country.
good
Timo: why are you mad. The British went around colonizing 2/3rds of the world´s surface. Kate and William have the gaul to parade throughout the Caribbean like they are a step above everyone else. They colonized everyone else. Why should they have to integrate!
British immigrants:
Learn Spanish and pass a Spanish driver's license test !
They want the easy way!
What about Spanish workers in UK should our govt be throwing them out the way the Spanish are throwing out UK citizens ?
@@Sabhail_ar_Alba For those who could apply for permanent residency, life is already a lot harder, there's a reason why so many Europeans left. For those who want to come after Brexit, it is as complicated as it is for Britons to come and live in the EU..
Spain isn't throwing UK citizens out, but they've lost the privileges of being an EU national, so have to apply for residency visas unlike being able to come under freedom of movement. It means Britons have to adhere to the same rules as say Americans or Russians, nothing more, nothing less.
@@Sabhail_ar_Alba absolutely, if they don’t follow the rules
You can just swap your English licence for a Spanish one lol
The same here in France, many Brits worked and lived here for years but lived on the black. Never registered, drove GB plated vehicles and worked for other Brits on a cash only basis. Drank and ate in British bars and restaurants. Had their healthcare covered by the EHIC and they are now up in arms that they have to complete all the paperwork, blaming French beaurocracy and some claiming the French authorities are acting out of spite.
So true! I have paid taxes, always employed in France and yet , still waiting for my new ID card!!!
To Brits it's always somebody else's fault.
@@weezer5442 Please don`t generalise. Not all Brits are the same!
if you have stupid rules and regulations in your country it is not the brits fault.we make our own rules in the uk
Exactly ...spot on
It’s not “new” rules it’s the same rules for 3rd countries
@Stephen Valentine no, its not we are third-country rules, you maybe want to look and see what the rules are
@Stephen Valentine they are not a 3rd country, they are a group of countries with a free trade agreement, brexiteers have this notion that they need us more than we need them, boy are they in for a shock
@Stephen Valentine in fact brexiteers think the rest of the UK would be stricken without the union, that's not the case either they are doing no end of damage to the union, they are the very opposite of unionist, its you do what we tell you and the rest f us are getting hacked off with the attitude
@Stephen Valentine we have 1 trade deal worth 0.0007% of what we had with the eu that's all we have, Australia turned us down, no doubt canada and USA will as well ....
@Stephen Valentine why don't you explain it to us?
Correction: They are British Immigrants, not Expats. Only racists use expats.
Good one. Greetings from Tricity in Poland 👋
Whats racist about that?
Thank you for this. But I guess they are called expats because they refuse to integrate into the local community?
@@agymayachelonia8381 the same like muslim immigrants in U.k but brots always want to feel and call themself better than others.
@@manwithapan1294 Westerner are expats while other people are immigrants. I dont know what this sound to you
I've not an ounce of sympathy. They had five years to plan for such an outcome.
The Spanish are moving the goal posts every 6 months, how on earth do you plan for that? 90 days in, 90 days out. Can't use your UK license. Grace period that never materialised. Theyre being vindictive. Whilst in the UK the Spanish are allowed to get on with their lives, uninterrupted.
@@bfhfhfhdj The EU is about power and control. Always has been, always will be. We're better off out.
@@bfhfhfhdj I live in New Zealand, but my wife and I split our time six months in UK, Six months down in NZ. On my NZ passport I'm able to spend three months in each EU country and then enter again on my GB passport. We travel to Europe and stay pretty much as long as we want to.
@@bfhfhfhdj No queue for me, My wife and I use Smart gate. So much quicker.
@@dinglebat63 unlike the UK that rip up agreements and promises before the inks even dry on the paper.
Leavers voted and won. Now own the clusterfuck it's only going to get worse.
i love the way the title is " Crushes retirement dreams" but the worst difficulty the retired couple living in spain is complaining about in the video is having to apply for a spnish driving license.
'But we're British!!!'
You clung onto that instead of listening to what they actually said?
@@QnA22 I have no sympathy for people who move to Spain expecting to treat it like a British colony.
Yeah....and "the worst decision any country could make" Why? Because it causes them a bit of an inconvenience....us, us, us....
@@kenclark9743 Brexit has no benefits whatsoever. It's national suicide. Over the next 20 years this country will slip into recession and will suffer a brain drain like nothing before - it's already happening but is invisible unless you work in the industries affected. We will become a sick old man of europle again because some Tory loons pine for the old days of empire.
British expats? British immigrants. Live in Spain, embrace the culture, eat the food and learn the language.
But if you hear someone ‘speekin’ forin’ on the bus hear in little old brightly, guarantee it will bring Fartage and his merry band out of the woodwork, saying we’ve been taken over.
Racists, just take a look who’s in charge of this country now and eat a big pile of steaming 💩
Their sense of entitlement is beyond appalling.
Yes, the classic remoaner at the start was one entitled twat.
@@eddy4688 Totally agree mate. One jumped up prick, he turned his back on his country, so fuck him.
@@stephensmith4480 his country turned its back on him by literally abandoning him.
@@lakeblackBLM He chose to leave and now things are not in his favour so it`s Boo Hoo Hoo 😭. Make ya bed ya lay in it.
@Basic Correct me if I am wrong. But did I state that I hated anyone ??? Don`t think I did. You see, the problem with the likes of you is, you are not nearly as clever as you think you are. Now do me a favour and PLEASE... do not reply because you are a boring Bastard with not the Brains you were Born with. Now go and have a meaningful discussion with your father, assuming you know who he is.
Easter eggs are late arriving ,nobody should have to endure such hardship , so sad for them
Shitpost in bad, bad Shitglish.
@@emm_arr you on the other hand are so eloquent ,shitglish hahaha
Yes, my sympathies.
Andy , they do have Easter eggs in Spain she could have bought Spanish eggs that would have solved her problem , and she would also be helping her ‘adopted ‘ country’s economy .
"Easter eggs" ="Huevos de Pascua". They do them in Spain too. She doesn't need to import them from the UK. She just needs to learn the Spanish market and then probably she will get them cheaper, faster and sell more to both British and Spanish.
Most English people living / retired in Spain have had plenty of notice to get their 'residencia'. They just chose to ignore it and now those chickens have come home to roost! 🤨
The last interviewer, Susan Vessey from A Taste of Home, the owner was crowing about Brexit on Facebook and was a rabid Brexiteer. Now playing the violin? Hope they go under.
Amazing she was bright enough to begin her own business.
So these people would have preferred us to stay in the EU so that they could get out of the UK and go to live in Spain.
Maybe they prefer to live with Europeans rather than so many from the 3rd world. The amount of focus George Floyd has received in the UK is unbelievable, hardly another Martin Luther King
@@declancurry4479
Spain is flooded with third world people. They are commonly referred to as Spaniards except they are usually less affluent.
@@sargon4451 Idiot
Well why not ?
I don't think those two voted for brexit.
‘new rules on residency’
No, they were always there for non-EU citizens.
Slight of hand there.
Rules also exist for EU-citizens.
@@DavidPerrinbeanphotographed
Hi David, what ones had you in mind?
@@ClannCholmain Whilst EU citizens can move and work within the member states freely, there is a requirement that within 3 months you should register with the appropriate authorities of your host country. When registering you will need to show that you have either a job, a place of study, or the means to support yourself. I have moved twice within the EU (the UK to Sweden, and Sweden to Spain), and both times have gone through the process of registering my residency as required. It’s not a complicated process but many UK citizens choose not to go through it.
@@DavidPerrinbeanphotographed Finaly someone who knows about what to do. Not blind by thinking I DON,T NEED THAT PAPER. Well done David, i did the same when i move from holland to spain in 1999. the the rules were harsher then untill last year for you NIE number. And my stephson has done the same when he found a good payed job in holland. Better safe then Sorry
@@DavidPerrinbeanphotographed thanks for that, I had more or less known that, it’s simply a formality, I’m sure they do checks for a criminal record as part of that too.
Do you know what the rules are for a 3rd country person?
They have always been the rules. They have just been ignored. You moved to Spain, fit in
Ironic when you consider that most of those British second home owners and a lot of those who live here in Spain actually voted FOR Brexit!
I voted for Brexit and live in France, it was the best thing I did. Its always hard for a lot of people to understand that some people vote for the good of the country and not themselves. Take for example had it been 1930's Germany and I was a German working and doing well under the nazi's, I still would have voted against them, Why because it would have been better for others and the country. Guys like you who never get that would vote for Hitler because its better for you. Get it?
Don't forget 99% of Brits work,live and stay in the UK, They voted for what was best for them, had they voted for what was best for others maybe the vote would have been different.
So give me one good thing that has come out of Brexit so far.......
@@SlimTortoise No, they voted because they wanted immigrants out, that's it. Immigrants like you.
@@lindsaysnelling3422 The vaccine roll out. I have a long list is you want to hear it 😃
Can't we stop calling them expat and call them immigrants?
@@truthagenda5699 nope, Brits in Spain and, frankly, everywhere else.
We'll start calling them refugees.
@@christga100 I do not actually care, it is just yet another symptom of British exceptional ism, which seems to matter a lot to quite a few of your compatriots
@@thecaptain2000 It's English speaking people. They use the term expat all over the English speaking world.
@@christga100It was annoying that you call everybody else immigrants and you give yourself a different status like you are on a sort of a pedestal none else seem to see. Now not so much, it is like having a fly, flying around you, it can be annoying but it does not matter much in the end.
If you do not want to live in the UK then hard luck follow the rules of the EU rules regardless whether its France or Spain.
@@snowrabbit9558 Wrong
Ok mate we will.
No. they want all the benefits of the UK and all the benefits of the EU. 😂😂😂😂. Thanks to Brexit, the UK is doing very nicely thank you. Hows the vaccine roll out doing over there? Most of us have had ours because we didn't have to ask all those other countries to give us permission. 👍🇬🇧🍷🍻🇬🇧
@@snowrabbit9558 our economy is on the up and we are apparently going to do better than the eu thanks for asking.
@@snowrabbit9558 Darling this is what I hear and read. Is it true.? I think there is every chance it is. Now you and your hate clear off as I know that this is the last thing you want to believe that we as a country just might do OK.
They needed to get their residents permits and Driving licence sorted Six months ago. I did here in Germany and the German Civil servants were friendly and Helpful.
Why are they called "expat"? They're immigrating trying to Spain. Immigration not ex-patriation.
Sounds posh. Immigrants sounds cheap!!!!
I am an immigrant from the UK living in Spain with my non EU family. Yes we had to sort new driving licenses, new Residence cards and some stuff at the local health centre. I don’t say all the process was easy but we had plenty of time to sort it and free advice was available . So i don’t really understand why it is a problem for some people. I do miss quite a bit of stuff which is no longer on the shelves in Iceland and I have given up ordering anything mail order from the UK. Still got a job and sunshine though so it’s pretty good
Agreed. I’m a retired ex U.K. military person having lived and worked in the EU for nearly 30 years. After working in Germany I retired to the south of France where I bought a house. I registered as an immigrant as soon as I arrived and I pay income tax in both the U.K. and France. Like many others I’ve had significant problems in changing my U.K. licence even though I applied for a French one over three years ago. The registration process is simply an on-line application which I made in October. My carte de sejour came through recently.
I am lucky in that my parents were Irish immigrants to the U.K. so I applied for an Irish passport after the Brexit vote. My EU rights are now maintained. I probably won’t renew my U.K. passport as it is now just about useless.
It’s now very difficult to get items sent from the U.K. without duty being paid. I had my ten year old iMac desktop sent over and it cost me €90. So, like many others, we’ve stopped ordering things from the U.K.
Those who have been caught out are those who lived under the radar which was possible before Brexit. I’ve known a few of them. They’ve all now gone home. I live in a close knit French community who have welcomed me and my non EU wife with open arms.
Would I ever go back to Boris’ Britain? Never...
@@phoneme52xxx6
Your story is very interesting, but I find it sad that your former country is now so disappointing to you! I would agree that England has gone downhill considerably since the 1960s, I would think. It has followed the United States of America too closely. Guess what - the USA does not care about the U.K.
It's a problem for some people because those other people have no legitimate right to effect their lives that way. Odd how almost nobody is considering that at all, isn't it?!
@@havenbastion se tomó una decisión, que, pensando como algunos piensan, seguro que apoyaron, sin escuchar a nadie y convencidos solo de la tontería irreal en su cabeza....nuestras decisiones tienen consecuencias lógicas y razonables y hay que asumirlas....No se debe hacer pagar a otros por nuestros errores, errores encadenados uno tras otro, sin escuchar las voces que nos avisaban . Otra frase de mi abuela' " en la cama que haces vas a dormir" ....y ahí está de nuevo.
"Expats..." Gets me every time. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
The word has been around since Roman times. It is Latin - ex means 'out of' and patria means 'country or homeland'.
If you are not a permanent immigrant then ex-pat is a useful term. You are neither on holiday there nor are you a permanent resident. There is no reason why anyone shouldn't use it and I'm sure the Roman's used it to describe themselves when they invaded Britain.
@@AnyoneCanSee but all the eu-citizens that came to work in UK is clearly "immigrants" according to the brexit voters, talk about double moral standards.
@@AnyoneCanSee So my grandparents who went back to Lebanon every Summer were not immigrants but expats?
I live in Vietnam 8 months a year, travelling the globe the rest, and I am an immigrant.
Ex patriots or immigrants , the look on their faces when you say either is priceless
@@marksykes5434 lolol 😂
I am British and hate the ex pat mentality, of just turning up and expecting all the good stuff the UK can't offer you like the sun and cheaper living costs, but none of the downside like speaking the local lingo, eating the food, or having to associate with any of the locals for any longer than you have to! You are not ex pat's you are immigrants! You live abroad you learn the language, learn the culture and learn to adapt, just as anyone coming to the UK should. When in Rome!
Just thinkin' to myself..."British Easter eggs not available in southern Spain .." How about "5 billion people would love to have your problem"
How could you forget their desperation at finding their British teas. The choices and stresses are real!
Not new rules, existing rules are now being applied.
The Brexiteers complain about foreigners using the NHS. People who come from the EU to work in the UK were usually young and healthy. Spain had mostly older Brits who are in need of more health care. A fact the ERG etc failed to mention.
People thought the freedom they enjoyed came through being a Briton. Turned out it was because of being a European.
That... is very well put!
Whats an Expat ? - Your an Immigrant - An immigrant who now needs Visa's and work permits... Welcome to your Brexit... Enjoy
Actually, many Brits are going about this the wrong way. The easy way is to fly to North Africa, charter a large (seaworthy) rubber boat and wade ashore at Tarifa (or some other beach on Spain's southern coast). Burn your passport, claim asylum and you are in for good, no questions asked.
@@VLADIVOSTOK1954 And prepare to live on street selling garbage or work for 10€ day in the agriculture...
@@manjelos Except of course these would be British 'wannabe' expats masquerading as false immigrants and able to draw on money salted away in a Swiss bank vault.
If you love it so much there become Spanish citizens.
You still can have the citizenship as you were born. But they did not register in spain. To lazy,shady past?? stubborn? or just wanted the best of both worlds unlimited. They had the time. There are plenty of British who did register,we got a couple here in the street living. They don,t complain or cry. It is 1 or the other,not both. That rule is for a spaish person in the UK the same. My stepson lives and works in the Netherlands,he asked me what to do because in am dutch and live registerd for more than 20 years in spain. I told him to do his paperwork 100% legal and correct. That will avoid problems in the future,like when he can retire and apply for his pension build up in holland. That is how you must do it. And not wait untill the last day. then you are toooo late.
Spain does not allow duel nationality. Personally I'm a Brit and walking away from that is something I would think twice about. residency is just fine for many! Having said that if it was between a US passport and a UK one, I would go for the US, its all about what each person thinks is good for them and what opportunities and value it has, Spanish passport is low on my list, very low!
@@SlimTortoise Spain DOES allow dual citizenship.
@@ernestuz It's on a country by country basis. Spain has different requirements and rules for different nationalities. As per rule of thumb, countries with a more similar culture to Spain (Ibero-American countries) are treated differently compared to 'foreign countries'. So ex Spanish colonies etc =/ UK rules. e.g. Spain doesn't allow for dual nationality with the UK, but they're fine with Argentina. Chileans can become citizens after a 2y residence period, UK citizens need to be a permanent resident for I believe something around 10 years?
@@SlimTortoise Curious to the reason behind that. The Spanish citizenship/passport is not only one of the strongest in the world, it also gives you direct access to the European Union. Looking at US/Spain alone (I love both countries in their own ways), Spain has an objectively better healthcare system, cheaper costs of living, the geography of the country doesn't lose to the states at all, the cities are designed better. The only benefits to the US citizenship would be purely economic reasons assuming you decide to live in the US for the rest of your life. Since the US is the only country on the world that will force you to pay taxes there even if you don't live in the US anymore! (Tax by citizenship instead of residence. Eritrea tries doing that but the US is the only country with the power to force people to comply with this insanity)
You cannot complain, you've had long enough to sort it!
If my own country turned its back on me I’d never forget it
I started planning my escape the day after the referendum result, not requiring a crystal ball to see the clouds of bitterness, hatred and division gathering momentum. Now a happy legal EU immigrant, essential to learn the language though, Salud de Gran Canaria.
Mon ami,
Si je visit les canaries,
The first round is on me.
Good decision. I have lived in Germany for nigh on 30 years, but as soon as I heard the Brexit result I started the process of earning German nationality. Not that difficult, but it meant taking exams on my understanding of German culture and mores, and a language exam. I have zero sympathy for the people who are now suffering from Brexit problems, no matter what they voted. I suspect the attitude of so many Brit immigrants in Spain has been one of amused tolerance for the natives. I was a serviceman in the FE in the 60’s and had exactly the same attitude - for which I am now mightily ashamed!
LOL...I guess you don't follow European politics, where they have real far right parties with real presence in parliament...
@@truthagenda5699 Have you stopped taking your meds? The UK is a shining example of a country run by a cabal of morally bankrupt politicians, led by the insufferable buffoon Bodgejob.
@@oldskoolrools3087 But at least they are a) open about their beliefs, unlike the tories, and b) have no chance of governing. You may also have noticed that the EU is doing its best to rein in the undemocratic behaviour of some of our East European members. Don’t see any similar way this is being, or could be done, in the UK.
Please stop calling British migrants “expats” !
They'll be back demanding care from the NHS in a few years times as they get older. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
fantastic comment
@@bobwallacejnr6852 No nonsense comment the Spanish Healthcare is better. Also much of the NHS is already privatised in a few years the rest of it will be, Covid has delayed it but Uncle Sam wants it
And why not. They have probably paid into it all of their lives. Its free you know at point of use.
@@davidguest1158 They are no longer British, so they should pay the going rate.
@@PsychicLord They are still British. Their passport is British.
The 1st couple is legit they clearly didn't want Brexit to happened
They should take out citizenship in Spain
@Lies Tricks Oh well, that really is the problem of British people still living in the UK trying to get by is it? .. It's their problem living in Spain and if they really want to stay there then Get On With It, they should start the ball rolling with citizenship of Spain and stop moaning about the British people still living In Britain and their decision to vote Brexit...
Unlucky
Stupid decision by the UK because it affects us 🤣
@@johnmacaroni105 To get Spanish citizenship, you also have to give up your British citizenship which is quite a big sacrifice.
My parents moved to Spain in the mid 80's they did it correctly proving they had income to stay there. They renewed residency every two years at the Embassy in Alicante. I think many have gone trying to avoid local taxes and putting much into the system. We are emigrating in July as I retire to Bulgaria and will follow the process with residency etc not just holidaying there all year or for as long as we like. It caused much grief in Uk with people coming in and just taking from the system, there has to be balance. I have neighbor with home in Spain 20 years, spends 9 months there ( 3 from now on) never registered for residency now coming unstuck for which I have little sympathy
Yes I agree they know the rules but lots of them trying to ignore it now have a problem,, it’s the same in Switzerland,you cannot live there without having the means financially and registering ,
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I suspect your U.K. born neighbour will have Spanish tax taken from the proceeds of his Spanish home and will seek the assistance of a LA in the U.K.
I wish him luck because he will need luck or a soup kitchen
I agree. Little sympathy from me as well.
Quite a lot of them are effectively fraudsters - 9 months or more per year elsewhere so they pay no UK tax, and not registered in their adopted country, so they do not have to pay into the system there either.
It was obvious to me that this would likely happen if we left. Anyone with any sense would have made efforts to legalise their residency or sell up and quit the European country as soon as the referendum went against remaining in the EU.
I have a couple of friends who have retirement homes in Greece and Spain respectively. As soon as it was obvious we were leaving, both took advantage of having Irish parents/grandparents and got Irish passports. They are having no trouble. Neither is my cousin who runs a Spanish/UK transport company and followed the correct procedures to become a Spanish resident many years ago.
@@dormie200 I am Irish and my Irish brother in law lectured and married in Spain and he has always praised the Spanish Health system. Presently caring for his older sister in Dublin but he always takes a break to visit his home and doctor in Spain, He is terrified of losing his access to the Spanish Health system. The British has access to the system whilst in the EU and have thrown all that away whilst voting for Brexit. I have no time for the UK immigrants living illegally in Europe.
They still think Europeans are a sub species.
Brexit is not going well for them is it? Most of us are not well off and I would think a lot of these UK residents cannot afford to return to the UK and purchase a property. Totally stupid not to register and pay Spanish taxes and become resident.I am sure the UK tax Revenue will be interested.
Having lived in spain for nearly 20 years I have found that sufficient information was available to obtain the required residential papers.It is purely an attitude that we won't be affected and buried their heds in the sand.the 90 day rule has always been in existance likewise the requirement to have a spanish driving licence if you lived here
.We were warned by the embassy many occasions of the changes.
Probably the most selfish people ever, My heart bleeds for you.
Yep Me Me Me.
@@ronniehaywood2725 In spanish its YO YO YO ......LOL
They‘ve taken back control. Hurray!
Hurray for Spain
@@Happin3ess time you left mate. If you’re young you can go to Spain and become one of the 50% unemployed.
@@Happin3ess missing you already
Yup! And they've got their sovereignty now!
@@Happin3ess F*ck off then. You won't be missed.
if you think the lockdown is anything to do with the referendum you are just inexcusably stupid.
They've been told over and over on the brexit consequences and they've decided not to listen and now they've got the audacity to say that nobody knew
This is just remoaners whining. Ignore their twaddle.
It's beginning to become clear that many people who voted for Brexit had no idea of what the EU was.
Probably because they didn't care!!!
Should saystupidity and laziness killed the dream
The knew it was coming.
I almost shed a tear. Almost.
Apply for citizenship like you should have and sit your driving test in Spain. Oh woe is me,I'm english and I didn't expect to be treated like an immigrant
Exactly its remainers moaning
Love the way that democracy in the UK and Brexit then makes Brits abroad anti-British, you could not make this up!!!!
I bet they loved that local restaurant that sold 'fish n chips' next the beach...
And Bingo?
And baked beans, walkers crisps and Watneys red barrel.
"The stupidest decision ever made by any country ever", for them. Oh dear, what a shame. Never mind :-)
They're right though. Name one single positive to come from Brexit?
Brexit is utterly stupid though. Brexiters are all liars.
@@SMlFFY85
Eventually, we will be able to make our own laws for the benefit of our own people. In case you did not realise, the whole concept of what is now the EU was developed in the last few years of the Second World War in Nazi Germany. That should give you some food for thought. Assuming, of course, that you do indeed think for yourself.
@@memyself1566 What laws did the EU make that you didn't like?
@@Pommy1957
The EU should not be in a position to make laws that benefit themselves at the same time as to the deficit of any other country - it is a Communistic dictatorship. It is Germany’s third attempt at European domination.
Your choice, you’ve had loads of time to get sorted!!
I’ve lived here in Spain for the past 22 years and among my British friends...I’m still a newbie. Brexit has been a major issue for us living here.
But that’s not new news...we always knew it would be. However, Spain wants everything to work...as do we, and the Spanish government has done all it can to help, legitimate British citizens to transition from being EU citizens to being non EU Citizens living in an EU Country.
Please bear in mind...no one living outside the UK was given a vote in the Referendum yet, it potentially would have the biggest impact on our lives with a vote to leave. That didn’t seem fair. After all Millions of us living not just in Spain but all over Europe are UK Taxpayers too. I still Pay UK Taxes. However under the new laws I can elect to pay my UK taxes in Spain...and plan to do so.
He Spanish Government have as I said done everything they can to assist me to remain in Spain and to continue to live my full Nd amazing life here. Yes, we’ve had to change our paperwork... and Brexit caused us to change our status and has made many thousands of British citizens
Consider there futures... It’s not easy to live in Spain illegally now. Those people who ...as we called it... flew under the radar ... being protected by simply being an EU citizens are finding...working here and not paying tax...and not being here legitimately ( paper wise) find... they no longer qualify for medical care, and will sooner or later be deported. Well so be it
Brexit will and is doing a wonderful job of ...cleaning out the undesirables... Spain is seeing this as a positive thing.
My paperwork is done... I have a new TIE card...which gives me all the same rights as it did before British Brexit.
in fact...driving a car on a British Driving License, has always been Illegal here, at least after a few months of Living Here. That’s not news.
True, the So caked British Supermarkets have for a short while had less items for sale...that’s down to the transport companies not having the paperwork in order... But the British Importers, were too slow getting information from Britain on this fact.
Britain saw the lorries queuing up at the docks as did we. But that’s pretty much sorted now...I still buy my British Essentials from Supermarkets and no issues.
Now...Since March ... Any British People moving to Live here.... have to qualify to a new standard of rules...including Income and ability to pay for Health Care.... as they do to live in Australia Canada America in other words...Anywhere else in the world other than the UK.
They don’t qualify for state benefits until they meet Certain targets, such as having a legal contracted job and have paid into the system for a certain period of rime.
That’s fair enough. But holiday makers still get free healthcare ...which I might add...is of a superb standard.
No...Life here post Brexit...is perfectly good...almost no negative effects... Now our paperwork is in order. And I’d say, in time...We will have a lot less...
British Dodgy tax drifters.
People who contribute to life and want to be be here... legitimately, will flourish and grow. Spain has been very good to me these past 20 plus years and thousands like me...who came here to work and live legitimately...I’m now retired and no plans to return. I will live here till the end of my,life...and everyone will know I had a good life, and was well looked after... Here in Spain.
Totally agree with you apart from the British supermarkets in Spain. Ours here have struggled to get deliveries since 1st Jan, because of Brexit , despite sourcing some goods via ROI. They have huge gaps on shelves and already have laid off 8 British staff. I can't see this improving because even with paperwork in order (and there are mountains of it) that have to be checked, together with extra expensive health certificates causing delays for drivers, this will only get worse in October when UK also starts checks.
@@susansantapola Why would you need a British supermarket in Spain? What's wrong with Mercadona? Eroski? Hipercor? or the food halls at El Corte Ingles?
They all sell good quality food. In fact give me a Mercadona any day over Tesco or ASDA because the quality of food is far superior. Or do these British immigrants want to use British supermarkets because they've never bothered to learn Spanish or Catalan/Valencian? Absolutely disgraceful, as a teacher of modern languages in the UK it utterly disgusts me to see these self-entitled Brits who have lived in Spain for years and have never learned the language. Arrogant, pig-headed, empire mentality.
The Range Rover in the photo is RHD. Not even bothered to change that. And the registration ?
As residents they can keep RHD car provided they rematriculate it onto Spanish Plates and pay an import tax based on the trade value of the vehicle. The car will need to have it headlights changed and it's rear reversing light if it on the right of the car, Vehicle inspection and the Spanish MOT. My 9 year old YETI cost me 1.600 euros, import tax, new plates, ITV(MOT) and rematriculaion.
@@davidchapman7904 Obviously they didn't want to pay the tax, no doubt thinking, "We're British why should we pay this foreign tax?"
@@davidchapman7904 Most high spec cars have 2 reverse lights. Even my Capri from 1986 has 2, so really shouldn't be an issue. As others have said, ignorant and lazy.
I'm Irish, 70 odd years . I can get by in Spanish. Call a taxi, book a table, order a meal in Spanish. Book a hotel room ask the time of day. Ask directions etc.
But then again, I am an Irish European.
Happy Brexshit.
The stupid self inflicted wound that is brexit.
My heart bleeds for them.....not .
All because of Margaret Thatcher.
Its only stupid because it does not suit you as for a decision for the country its the best decision
1:02 as they have said they spent more of their time in Spain than in the UK therefore a change of licence is obv. necessary. Same applies to most countries, like US etc.
I lived in Spain for 18 months in 2005. Brits were regularly stopped by the police if they were driving British cars. After checking all documents were in order, the warning was; get your plates/car registered in Spanish as soon as possible. I eventually bought a Spanish vehicle but most of the Brits that I met, simply ignored the police's requests. Until their car was impounded maybe a year later!
NOT to defend Brexiters, but .. in 2005 UK was still part of the EU, so I thought there would be no issue with what country is on one's license plate.
if the POLICIA ARMADA , the greys were on the streets of Spain your brits would obey on the the command voice
@@theultimatereductionist7592 uh-hu, maybe you did not get the memo that in spain we drive on the right side of the road, and so cars are required to have the wheel at the left side?
Every person I know that has gone to live in brittain needed to take a drivers course there. Every person I know coming for LATAM had to do the same here and get new plates along with registering their vehicle officially, even tho they also drive on the same side and drive the exact same cars. If yours is and older vehicle that lacks EU licensing, you still ned to register it and change plates. So why is so fing hard for britts to understand?
Immigrants. Immigrants is the term to refer to British citizens living abroad, NOT expats.
Both are correct terms.
@Stephen Valentine You don't become an expat when you go to France for the weekend.
@Stephen Valentine yes you do ( if you settle in a country outside of the UK)
@Stephen Valentine Right, so it's not simply a term used for people who have left the UK.
@Stephen Valentine That's right. You don't become an immigrant when you leave your country, you become an emigrant. Small but important difference.
If the first couple could prove home ownership and time in Spain then they have no problem stay, but yes if your in Spain, change your licence and by a left hand drive car. I'm an ex forces in Germany and it's the same here, I pay health insurance . No problem
I live in Norway also absolutely no problem, just leave the ‘fish and chips’ mentality in the UK!!….
@@pete9b
Please explain what exactly is the “fish and chips mentality“? Does it exist across the broad spectrum of the socio-economic levels within the UK?
@@memyself1566 I mean (some) Brits living in another country yet still expecting everything to be the same as home. I have ‘integrated’ into Norwegian life and not expected Norwegian society to shift towards mine!..
You don’t want to be in uk ok ,bye bye.learn Spanish and take Spanish citizenships. Revoke uk ,home is where you live.the Brit’s never cease to amaze me 🤔🤔
Expats, immigrants are still subject to UK tax without getting anything for it.
@@veahpereabras6969 all the better to give up uk citizenship for Spain no? No more uk taxes.
@@dickybirdcch unfortunately you are wrong. If you receive a pension from the private sector the UK govt claims the right to tax it if it exceeds your personal allowance. Anything over is taxed by the country you choose to live in.
@@dickybirdcch sorry I meant public sector. Hope that helps.
And what about when your ill or you need meds you still have a right to the free NHS think
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If they love Spain so much they could always apply for citizenship but they want the best of both
Please do your homework . You know absolutely nothing about this or what the requirements are
Dry your eyes mate if you don't believe in democracy boo hoo
@@mall231 you think you’ve got democracy 😂😂🙈😂😂 ps not your mate at all
@@peterneumann7145 well the UK left the EU ? To be honest I'm not interested in your reply your just another troll with no content on there channel makes me wonder
They don't need citizenship, they need residency. If you don't have the €30k odd to deposit in a bank or €2k per month pension or investment income then you are likely to be a burden on the state and I'm not surprised they don't want you.
These are the sort of people that most British people voted against - They wanted their bread buttered on both sides but it’s not going to happen.
And good riddance to them. Two less entitled lazy whingers.
Live in Spain but still get the benefits from the UK including coming back to use the NHS.
I lived in Spain for four years, the number of ex-pats immigrants I saw driving the same UK registered car was amazing, although the cars were registered in the UK and on UK plates those cars never went back to the UK to be MOT'd or had the Spanish ITV "Spanish equivalent of the UK MOT".....some even used the vehicle for business purposes they even had their Spanish details "Spanish phone and e-mail address on the side of the vehicle"....
A lot of them used a relative's UK address to insure the vehicle, driving a UK registered car on UK insurance whilst living in Spain will invalidate the insurance...."no MOT, and false information on the vehicle insurance application".....
I registered my car as soon as I could after moving to Spain, it cost something like 500e to have it done "but I was legal", not long after I was stopped by the Guardia for a routine vehicle check, I was okay, they saluted me and waved me on my way.....
Just look at "A Life in the Sun" on TV the majority of the "ex-pats" on there are driving UK registered cars......
Best decision ever to leave the eu . You stay there we are managing fine .
The reporter should have interviewed a Brexiteer couple in Spain.We need some laughter
I voted Brexit, live in Spain, have residency, have Spanish driving licence, a couple of pensions and even a part time job. All legal and absolutely loving it. I'm laughing 🤣🤣🤣
the independence vote in catalonia region of spain was brutally ignored, cancelled and crushed by the spanish government, this is not democracy, the will of the people TO BE INDEPENDENT and to be in control of themselves was crushed . . . however, the uk government honoured the democratic vote to leave the tyrannical EU . . . there was a long list of reasons people wanted to leave the EU, for example, UK people DID NOT WANT TO BE A NET CONTRIBUTOR OF £BILLIONS PER YEAR TO SUPPORT THE SPANISH AND 26 OTHER EU ECONOMIES ! . . . . how about that for a laugh ?
@@AB-zn7di That's because you think the contribution was based on philanthropic reasons
How about taking the Spanish driving test ,and learning Spanish recipes or am i complicating things
We need learn english if we want live in your country
@@AlinaMolnar2024 see you are almost there or come to Norfolk you will seem intellectual
@@allancrotch2953 There are intellects in Norfolk?
@@colinp2238 NO we are all normal in Norfolk but for the sake of diversity we could take 1 or 2 we are always up for a laugh .
@@allancrotch2953 what would Alan Partridge make of it?
They had five years to sort it out... they want to have the best of both worlds.
The long established EU Law gives you up to 180 days in another country before applying for settled status, (tax, health, etc). It is and always has been applicable to ALL citizens in the EU. The same applies to driving a self owned car.
What you cannot do is have settled status in more than one country.
So what gives whining expats the idea that in all the years they have spent i.e. in spain, they dont or hav'nt to comply with the rules applicable to the rest of europe?
You choose your bed and lay in it.
It's easy to say it's the stupidest thing a country has ever done, when you don't live in the U.K.
I can't stop crying over the terrible plight of these people who needed to fill out some forms. Clearly this is one of the most outrageous affronts to human dignity in history and war is the only reasonable response.
Well it is, if those people have never before in their life experienced something so hard and humiliating.
Pathetic = IF you wanna live there SORT YOUR STATUS OUT = Spain is no longer a county of England where you can buy pork bangers at the corner shop
Welcome to the immigrant life 😁
@Stephen Valentine So what is an immigrant then? Are all those 'immigrants' in the UK no expats?
Let's use the term Aliens like the US of A
@Stephen Valentine Stupid logic. If you come into the EU as a theerd country you are called immigrant . You dont like it but you are no the same as if you come from Africa into the EU.
@@xythiera7255 Europeans are quite different to Africans
@Stephen Valentine Funny how the self-proclaimed "Brits" can't quite get the English language right, isn't it?
They've been flying under the radar for years instead of doing it properly, it's not like they didn't know what was going to happen they just buried their heads in the sand
In a beer!
Stop calling British Immigrants expats. They are normal ordinary immigrants as Europian or Asian people who decided to live in UK.
🤣🤣🤣🤣Immigrants, not Expats.
They are immigrants of British decent, NOT Expats.
Expats is actually ONLY applies to people who work temporarily as representatives of a i.e. British based company abroad, without the intention to settle in the country they visit. They either have their kids on local British schools or in boarding schools in the UK. Most of the time these REAL Expats are receiving one part of their salary as a taxable local income and the larger amount and their bonuses tax free onto an offshore account.
So please stop mixing up the terms, retirees are by NO means Expats, they are and will always be considered to be either as tourists, long term visitors or if they want to retire for good in the respective country and receive a permanent residency, they will be immigrants, NEVER Expats.
Look it up on Wikipedia before you try to prove how clever you are. Got to love these know-it-all's who just expose their ignorance.
@@abscomm - I am aware of what the word means and were it stems from. I have been an Expat for over 30 years and I lived in over 10 different countries. I am familiar with use of the Expat term. To use this term for some glorified British immigrants is ridiculous.
Otherwise let me ask you, do you use or have you ever seen anywhere in the British press the term Expats used i.e. for refugees from Syria or Libya? - NO, because the common term used is ‘immigrants’. And these long term tourist retirees are nothing else.
@@philippschwartzerdt3431 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate
@@abscomm - stop patronizing if the only thing you know is Wikipedia. This is not as it is seen in the Expat community itself.
@@abscomm They are immigrants. You can keep your false semantics bs in where you pulled them out from.
I do feel a bit sorry for these guys as they didn't vote to leave and its affecting them but all the UK immigrants in other countries who voted to leave deserve everything they get. I feel sorry for the youngsters who either voted remain or where not old enough to vote because this will affect them throughout their entire lives
Good job I am wearing corsets, because my sides are splitting!
i want to live in Australia with our son , Grandson , and 2 great grandchildren , but like most countries you have to go through an immigration process , listening to these i know why we are called whinging Poms
Piss off, traitor.
@@artsed08 , why am i a traitor for wanting to be with my family ?
@@josephcroft4268
I think that he was referring to your lack of support of your own people. The Brits always criticise their own kind far more harshly than they do others. That is why he called you a traitor.
@@memyself1566 , yes i guess hate speech is the truth that liberals don't like
I know people who moved abroad to retire but soon came back when ill health struck them. They came back for the NHS. Same as all the immigrant workers in the UK you have to register to stay there.
If you look at the heath service league tables, Spain is the 8th best healthcare system in the world, the UK was 16th when I last looked. I have a lot of experience with the Spanish system through my ex wife and its excellent.
It’s the same in Germany. I know many Germans who emigrated to the US or to Ireland or the UK and as soon as they hit their mid 60s and the health problems started, they were back home here in Germany, to our great health system , quicker than you can blink.
@@chrismalcomson7640 Much of the NHS is already privatized. When the welfare state was created after WW2 most of the population contributed and then it all could work. Things are very different now, that is why the retirement age keeps going up, and benefits are getting cut.
The Spanish health system is very good. Better than the NHS
They clearly came back where it felt like home, for emotional reasons and prompted by the sad news. Or where doctors would speak english. Objectively in terms of healthcare, Spain would have been a much better choice.
He says it was the most stupid thing for a country to do, leave the Eu, well for him it is but then he does n't want to live here, for the UK it's the best thing we've done in decades. Stay in Spain mate cause we don't want you back here. Reminds me of Branson moaning about Brexit whilst living in the Caribbean ! Foxtrot Oscar I say.
My Spanish and Romanian colleagues had no trouble getting residency in the UK they filled up the online form and got their permits 2 weeks later without charge and they can still access the NHS
yes because they are actually working and contributing, you cannot stay and get a Visa in Thailand for being tourist or economic migrant...its same everywhere. Except if you are in the eu as eu citizen.
Spain is the same this is just bs
@@atilla4352 i have parents with residency both retired it was easy for them
@@angrybrit7331 what is their income ? OK I'm a bit confused about those there pre-brexit as the income requirement was ridiculously low as an EU citizen, but if you move now you need a lot more than people only with a UK - amazingly when (France) insisted Brits regularised their situation, it was discovered there were Brits trying to live on LESS than £500-ish per person / £800-ish for a couple ... and of course the key thing that was lost was S1 health cover for those of state retirement age so new migrants will need to pay social charges ... so to make the move now you need a decent company pension in addition to state pension ...
@@yangtse55 yes i think my parents are in a more fortunate position. But if you can't afford it thats life i suppose.
They are not expats they are immigrant´s getting the same treatment as immigrant´s in the UK!
So they get put in 4 star hotels and receive benefits? Spain deports illegal immigrants like the UK did before Blair