Regarding the Kick It comeback and "appropriating characters", Korea actually used to use Chinese characters before hangul was made so I wouldn't consider it appropriating.
THANK YOU this is a late response but i was kinda pissed reading that one. i’m korean and i know of my culture obviously and when people try to correct others on it or get mad at things that aren’t wrong because they think they’re right it makes me so upset lol. thank you for saying this, you are absolutely correct!
As a WayV stan I've always just assumed that they were part of NCT lol. I mean, WayV sounds much better than NCT China, so that's probably marketing. Also, the groups talk about each other a lot. It's pretty obvious tbh 💅
for those nct stans who say wayv isn’t in nct,,,, i don’t get you,,,, why wouldn’t you want wayv in nct,,,,, they’re so talented and funny and i love them so much and deserve more attention 🖐😔🤚
Audrey L. yeah but literally ten, lucas, winwin and kun all debuted with nct and wayv and the rest of nct always make references of eachother so even though they’re not fully included with one another they’re still in the group. like dream and 127 don’t do a lot together but they’re still in nct. and wayv used to be called nct vision so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think nct has 21 members but from what I’ve seen, many wayv stans r separating themselves from the nct fandom because they truly believe that nctzens don’t do anything for wayv (streaming voting on Chinese platforms etc) Like a lot of them think nctzens are just obsessed whether they’re in nct or not and don’t rlly support them. And if it were announced that wayv is not officially part of nct some wayv stans think that nctzens would drop them because they’re not part of the nct system and thus aren’t real fans. I mean I can’t rlly blame them because barely anyone streamed their last comeback moonwalk. Anyways wayv’s upcoming comeback is June 9th let’s show a lot of love and support this time around.
liyong fu in october 2019 woojin left stray kids for personal reasons. it was during a time where they were really busy so i kind of understand why chan was angry. (if you search “chan talking about woojin on vlive” you can find the clip) some people have theories like he was being mistreated, he used it to launch his solo career, he had a dating scandal or something like that (jyp has a ban for dating for three years before and after debut and stray kids debuted in 2017 so it might have been before that) but honestly i don’t think we’ll ever know unless woojin himself comes out to talk about it but i dont think ever will
5:12 most of blackpink' songs could possibly become boring because of the "teddy formula": boombayah whistle playing with fire d4 forever young see you later kill this love Oc they don't sound the same but the choruses structure is similar.
I don't understand the boredom card (I respect your opinion but please develop it) I mean music is all about recycling it's always Verse, pre-chorus, chorus, verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge and outro (it can have like 3 other variations) . This so called Teddy formula is actually a classic pop song formula, if it is boring then 90% of the music industry is. That's all I have to say
@@ahater7567 I'm talking about the lack for choruses, those songs only have a major catchy phrase, then the "onomatopoeia". I know pop music has songs like this too, in my opinion they become boring as time goes on.
I don't agree with you at all. I don't think they're going to become boring because of the "teddy formula" it seems like a usual K-pop formula to me and the chorus' definitely sound very different to me but if that's what you think I'll respect that.
some of y'all dont want wayv to be part of nct but dude if they weren't nct they wouldn't even have the chinese version of Regular and Come Back in the first place, also their fandom name wouldn't be Wayzenni (which is basically just Nctzen/czenni) and their lightstick wouldn't have almost the same color as nct's! y'all are just trying to find reasons to distance them because you dont like nct, but the fact is that wayv IS a part of nct!
@@blossomfg nah blinks are just 70% shitty people and make blackpink look bad. Blackpink did that do themselves too. Jennie's lazy scandals that she had no good reason to have (don't come to me with she's depressed or something. If she could slay her solo stage she could've put a little more effort in her group stages) only Jisoo out of the 4 has had any improvement since debut. Rosé still sounds like she's in labor Jennie is either yelling or barely breathing Lisa barely keeps her voice going too. Blackpink have no reason to be more famous than other groups that actually works for their music and work on improving. Like Twice write their own music or help with writing it and always comeback with better vocals and stability.
@@casteelsimp3539 1. blackpink write their songs too but yg doesn't give them credit 2. your only argument, as always, is "jennie's lazy" when you don't even try to know more about her than those 3 shitty videos that you watched 1yr ago 3. if you don't like them, you don't have to hate on them omg they didn't improve bc they didn't have the opportunity to show more than the 4 same songs of always ( and all of them dance's level improve a lot btw) 4. are you saying that all the hate is because their shitty fandom? so the people telling them that all the fame they got is because the sucked someone's dick, is it just because blinks are toxics? "blackpink did that to themselves", what? being called sluts, anorexics and dealing with death threats every single day? is it their fault? y'all forget that even if they are really famous they are practically rookies in the industry and you didn't give them a breath since day 1, every fucking day judging them and talking shit about them. they only wanted to debut as everyone, they had illusions but you've destroyed their dreams giving them anxiety. you justify your hate into "well they aren't that good to be that famous, you know, this other gg is better" we. don't. care. if they are successful, they are successful. you don't need to belittle them everyday. that's all.
About NCT 127 Concept in Kick It: it isn't the concept chinese culture, it's the topics in Bruce Lee's films. The lyrics are in the othey way to write korean, it isn't the first time they use it, they used to in limitless and in the MV they writte limitless in the background + part of the coreography is similar.
I’m a solo stan and to avoid unnecessary hate I usually explain it like “there’s a certain member whose individual work I like a lot and I’m a casual listener of the group” like Yongguk from B.A.P, Zico from Block B, Mino from Winner and RM from BTS. there’s no need to hate the other members, I’ll never ask for the one I stan to go solo but I won’t force myself to like a group if it’s not sincere. It’s totally fine to be a solo stan because the artistry of the group may differ from a member’s individual work and you are not obliged to like everything.
honesty I’d just like to add something saying that if woojin had left skz after talking and clearing stuff with the rest of the skz members then Chan would’ve NEVER brought it up, that just concludes that he might be salty about woojin leaving.
he could've just brought it up bc he knows everyone was wondering and wanted to give us some closure???? lmao the only thing his vlive told us is that woojin was kicked out. I don't think it was that deep
kpop stuffs yeah but after the closure woojin and Chan both received hate and I’m sure Chan is smart enough to see that coming, he knows how toxic stays can get and it’s not like he has received enough hate in the past :/ but yeah maybe I’m just thinking about it too much
On the solo stan thing: I'm sort of a solo stan for YooA of Oh My Girl. I'm not a big fan of Oh My Girl's music. It just isn't something I can vibe to. They have a couple songs I really liked, but overall, not my style. YooA's stuff though? Gorgeous. The reason I get up every day. Her mini is sooo good. Abracadabra for soloist Bside of the year. The members of Oh My Girl are so pretty and so talented and 100% deserve the love that they're getting, it's just that the music they put out as a whole isn't really my style. I really liked Non Stop though, so maybe if they continue with music like that, I could end up stanning them. You can disagree with me, just do so politely. Taste is subjective. If I stan a group/soloist, I do so for the music, not for the people.
At an SM press conference last year, it was literally announced WayV was NCT, the new CEO of SM said WayV was NCT this year...what more confirmation do y'all need???? Don't know why people are still trying to deny it? At this point people who keep trying to say WayV aren't NCT are freaking delusional. They promote each other's comebacks, are clearly friends and hang out off-camera and 4 members of WayV were in NCT 2018 promotions...
I don't get the comment on the NCT members. It's not because of political tension, it's a legal situation that WayV can't have "NCT" in their name. This was addressed when WayV's name was first officially revealed. Also, one of the members of the board of directors of SM said NCT currently consists of 21 members- at least according to a translation I once read. I don't have these articles and posts saved and I couldn't find them now so I don't have anything to back this up :( In any case why are people still talking about this? And with what the comment said, why would NCT 2019 need to be a thing to confirm Xiaojun, Hendery, and Yangyang being in NCT? There's probably other things that go on behind the scenes in terms of officiality, technicalities, legal issues, copyrights, marketing, etc. that we don't fully know about or fully understand, and that goes for all kpop companies, not just NCT or SM.
Tbh I don’t think it’s a matter if you’re white or Asian that you would be successful in America, Korea, etc. While racist is sorta important in kpop (not really, you just need to be Casper) I think its taste. Kpop offers things the west doesn’t have in music. For example, people with higher voices, a cuter visual, and just interested in making that music would most likely suit Kpop compare to America. In America, the big thing is looking tough, thick, and fierce. So someone with a more innocent persona wouldn’t fit well in the American market. So let’s stop focusing on why foreign idols don’t fit into kpop and let’s think why they would fit, despite their racist or color.
I understand that and it’s a huge problem. It just kinda annoys me when people say these white idols should just go to American and pursue a career. Also, of course people of color should get these opportunities. But because of the colorist industry that is kpop, these people of color barely ever get a chance.
It's BTS ( not army ) that had 3 hate hashtags against them trending in Korea and worldwide by two different fandoms while ARMYs never did this to any other group even tho it's easy for them to do . I joined twitter last year and have noticed that whenever multiple fandoms have attacked BTS ( literally calling them the most fucked up things ) only ARMYs fight back and others ignore or laugh at it but as soon as 1 Army with 20k likes says something wrong multiple fandoms jump on it and propagate their ARMYs toxic agenda
the most toxic armys are on twt so I guess you just haven’t gained enough experience. my army friends on insta are nice, I only find supportive and kind fans on youtube, the ones I know in person are extremely C U T E but the ones on twt. lord have mercy on us. 1. they claim everything is theirs, should it be colors, emojis, numbers, styles, way of protecting their idols etc. 2. everyone is below BTS no matter what their relationship is like, when those artists debuted, what they achieved in their times and how far they reached compared to themselves. 3. they claim BTS is not kpop and everyone who listens to any other korean artist as BTS are kpoopies who deserve to be treated like trash. 4. they send targeted hate to everyone who ever had any relation to BTS. When Boy with Luv didn’t win some award, armys rushed to Halsey’s twt account and bombarded her with hate until she tweeted that she feels hurt by all the hate because winning that award would have meant a lot to her as well. 5. it’s also not a rare occurence to see army comments under tweets about the achievements of other artists trying to defame them, look down on them etc. if it’s not your cup of tea, you don’t sip it. simple as that. 6. they’re obsessed with numbers. it’s been a while since I saw some pure admiration for their artistry and not statistics that can easily be falsified. I’m not saying that the numbers are wrong but when a song comes out, they open the mv in 10 tabs and play it over and over again to generate numbers. kpop is not about who can generate more views. it’s some cheap fake love making people momentarily satisfied. these are all everyday phenomenons, don’t tell me that I’m just unlucky. when BTS became famous widely in the west, the fame brought in the feces of the 1D and JB fandom and created this chaotic mess that’s basically ruining og armys’ enjoyment and love for the group and make them leave the fandom. they are overprotective, hurtful, oversensitive and mean to the core. there is a reason why no other fandom wants to be friends with them. I’ve been listening to BTS since day1. I’ve been here for over 7 years so I know what I’m talking about. It irks and hurts me how I don’t get to enjoy the boys’ work the same as I used to because of these immature bullsh.tters.
@@KpopStuffs no she's saying that there was good armys but the toxic ones are the ones that took over and covered up the good armys who have been there since day 1 like herself
abt the blackpink one, i don't think their songs are THAT special as everyone makes it out to be, but since we rarely hear from blackpink, everyone is just willing to like anything yg throws at us. it's their whole marketing plan. i hope in their future cb they don't do like d4 or klt though. i really liked the concept variety they had in 2016-2017. from tropical edm, to acoustic ballads and synth pop
People are jumping on the bandwagon and calling blinks and ARMYs toxic when fandoms like like once and blackjack trash talks about blackpink on their fave's videos and some of their comments arevthe most liked ones and in Blackpink's and BTS'S video, no one mentions any other groups
5:20 I have to disagree with it Since momoland and Blackpink face a massive bandwagon now, they are all both critized for the bare minimum, on things they have no control over or even for simply breathing. The girls don't deserve the hate they get and it really fucking piss me off when Blinks attack Momoland instead of defending Bp since they both struggle rn. We have to show solidarity instead of division and be mature!
Wowwwwwww I am too early...but make sure to accept other people’s opinions because it is an opinion not a FACT Also please take care of yourself during the virus🥺🤍
imo armys are the most toxic fandom atm - not bc they're the biggest fandom but bc bts are the biggest group. the same thing happened with EXOLs when exo were the most popular bg and with VIPs when bigbang were in the same position. being the top group means there are some fans who get this huge superiority complex which is shown through ugly behaviour. unfortunately bc bts keep breaking records, making strides in music and growing bigger, this just feeds the complex. when things calm down some more, the fans will too. (this is also because many of the fans that are toxic tend to be younger so they'll grow out of it around the same time the buzz around bts calms down.)
I mean I would get it if it was situation like an american using an east asian language as an aesthetic without knowing what it means, but as far as I knew Chinese characters r intertwined with Korean anyways and the themes they used weren't rlly offensive but idk 😭
i think for the 'line distribution' part, its because some idols are clearly having way less lines than others, yes i think their position matters, but aren't they all training hard to be singers/idols? i think it would be okay if only some songs are like this, but for some idols its most of the songs, they trained hard to be idols, so they should atleast have 1-2 more lines.
The this about line distribution- position and voice are totally a factor but on the flip side, why put a member in if you're never going to give them lines and stunt their career?
5:40 i think ppl say that to sound more objective, as in, to make it clear they're not biased to love everything x group puts out bc they're not fans, kind of like saying "you don't need to be a fan to see this group slays".
I love bap like I live they're music and they're concept to this day even after disbandment but HIMCHAN has ALLLLWAAAAYS rubbed me wrong and I felt the need to force me to to like him which made me distance myself from the group in fears of being a 'bad' Stan but I'm past that point and I still don't like him...but bap SMACKS
4:04 if we're talking about gg then maybe it was weki meki (don't really stan them, so idk) but overall the group that pioneered this type of music and made it a trend is NCT.
Part 2 and 3 would be great to pass time especially from a great and honest yt channel☺. one thing i will comment about it😅 the noisy music, i feel like all kpop boy group lately have the same vibe and sound they are all edm and somehow annoying as i couldn t tell such group from another ,same concept and almost same choreography so a lot refer to it as noisy mostly edm songs. Same for gg honestly some group use the same shit over and over ,they aren t bad its just too repetitive 😧.
Army isn’t a toxic fan base, there are just toxic people in that fandom. And literally every fandom has toxic fans, bts just has a larger fan base with younger fans ig so ofc there’s a lot of toxic people, but it doesn’t mean that the whole of army is toxic. I know some army’s who are the nicest people who are respectful and lovely to non army’s and stuff. Some people just think they know everything, and they don’t think logistically 🥰💅
who said that nct was appropriating chinese culture with their concept in kick it😭😭 so much of korean culture came from china n korea literally used chinese characters in the past before they developed their own language n they still use chinese characters regularly (like in news articles) to this day- n like u said they were just referencing famous people jn the lyrics
that last comment was the most logical of all and your reply made it better. i think people should be more open-minded about it and just stop the hate lol
liking the "noisy" music is never something to be ashamed of. many artists release that type of music because they like it. If u got anything bad to say about people working hard to release music and getting hated on for the sound FUCKING KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.
they literally couldn't for the past year because of internal issues. it wasn't up to them or the current employees at bbc. but either way the lore that does exist is pretty unique to them
I agree with the line distribution one. I don't get it when blinks or midzys complain about lines distribution when most of their line distributions are fair. Yeah, Jisoo and tends to be last and Chaeryong/Yuna don't get the most lines mostly but they do get lines, not like in other line distributions like Hi High/So What by Loona or half of Everglow's songs, where line distributions are actually really unfair
line distributions dont matter to me :// unless if a member with a good voice keeps having like 5 second lines or smth. if its the main rapper has less lines then its just how it works, rappers have more words but less time. but if its a sub vocalist getting 3 seconds then im not okay with it ://
1:05 kay but like when my mans ahn jaehyo gets barely 2 minutes of lines out of ~35 minutes of music??? let us hear his voice!! homie legit had one line in Shall We Dance before the hiatus,,,,
ok, I personally don't like Lana's music, and I think she looks a little bit weird, but it's because we don't used to see white people in K-pop, but wtf are you saying about opportunities? she's russian, not American or even West European, what kind of opportunities she has in West countries? could she do the style she likes in usa? not only music, but also dance and aesthetic? probably couldn't, do she has more chances to be successful in the west? maybe, but are they that much bigger? I don't think so
she's white. racially, she has more opportunities to do whatever she wants. that doesn't mean she would've been immediately more successful, but white privilege is a real thing she would benefit from.
white ppl in kpop doesn't bother me but if they can't speak basic hangul,,,, that's where it starts to get messy edit: ok hangul is their alphabet not language- illiterate tingz 💋💅
NCT China doesn't sound good to me, I think it doesn't fit, it feels kinda empty and the name it's boring, but WayV sounds cool and interesting. Also, WayV is under SM and (I don't know too much about it) but a Chinese company called... something V, so that's why they are called Way...V.
People think armys calling a group flops is peak toxicity (i have see it on twitter all the time), but just last week we got people making fun about the death threats Joon got, and before that we had nct k-stans calling JK a sexual abuser, and then we got k-pop stans trending hate hashtags about Jimin on his bday. I'm not saying armys are saints because we arent, but we haven't done half of the shit kpop stans have done to BTS and even us. So no, me saying you stan a bunch of flops after your fandom called my fav a rapist isnt me being the most toxic person in the world. The times i have seen armys crossing the lines fr are small, and sometimes... I just dont care. I have seen my favs go through so much that i just have no empathy for other fandoms. If you come for my favs i'm gonna drag yours. And until the day i see armys siding with naz!s i'm not gonna stop defending my fandom
I'm so fucking tired of people always shitting on BTS and Army. In the end of the day they are the ones bringing out the toxic side of the fandom. And again, every single fandom has that group of toxic fans. I'm not even a part of the Army but it's so stupid
To be honest regarding to WayV as not part of Nct is quite dumb idea like what the fuck is Sm thinking debuting Lucas,Ten, Winwin in their two diff groups agenda No.2 factor (Some WayZenNi hate the fact that WayV is part of Nct, why?? Czennies i'm lost at word y'all always say that you're an OT21 but when WayV has a comeback only few supports them, as a stan twitter i've seen enough shits. Where is your vision????
I really really really dont like g idle. (Please dont hate me 😂) i dont like their music, the only song i enjoy is uh oh. I guess theyre just not fot me. the only member that i liked was miyeon tbh.
Lana is there cuz she loves korea and it’s culture ( not in a koreaboo way ofc ) there’s nothing wrong with her being there. Even Koreans are accepting more diversity it’s all the international fans that swear they know what it’s like for Koreans and other asians that are being annoying.
white people can succeed in any other place. she can love korea and not debut there. white people have so many opportunities to be successful, poc have so little. why take the place when poc are actually happy and represented???
Amalia De Pinho Sarni I understand that ofc, especially since Asians in particular didn’t have any representation in America or other countries before kpop. Lana is white but she sings Korean, giving them representation. And she’s unproblematic unlike groups like Kaachi that are disrespecting kpop and Korean culture.
Woojin and skz aged not so well, i wish ot8 best of luck and they did not deserve this ..let's pretend 9 or none is actually for twice bc skz are onces
hope u guys enjoyed lmao. keeping this pinned right here for when i need to clarify smth bc i already know someones gonna be mad at smth i say ❤
I ain't disagreeing
"people can like what they like, just don't be rude about it"
THIS
OVER AND OVER AGAIN
I love this.
@some bg and gg stans who bash each other
Regarding the Kick It comeback and "appropriating characters", Korea actually used to use Chinese characters before hangul was made so I wouldn't consider it appropriating.
They still use use it and learn charachters from 6th (and last) grade of primary school. It's used rarely but it is a part of korean language
@@anpatman yeah, I know it's not uncommon for Korean people to know the hanja (I think that's what it's called) characters and meaning for their name
THANK YOU this is a late response but i was kinda pissed reading that one. i’m korean and i know of my culture obviously and when people try to correct others on it or get mad at things that aren’t wrong because they think they’re right it makes me so upset lol. thank you for saying this, you are absolutely correct!
Some people tend to talk without knowledge
As a WayV stan I've always just assumed that they were part of NCT lol. I mean, WayV sounds much better than NCT China, so that's probably marketing. Also, the groups talk about each other a lot. It's pretty obvious tbh 💅
for those nct stans who say wayv isn’t in nct,,,, i don’t get you,,,, why wouldn’t you want wayv in nct,,,,, they’re so talented and funny and i love them so much and deserve more attention 🖐😔🤚
Audrey L. yeah but literally ten, lucas, winwin and kun all debuted with nct and wayv and the rest of nct always make references of eachother so even though they’re not fully included with one another they’re still in the group. like dream and 127 don’t do a lot together but they’re still in nct. and wayv used to be called nct vision so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think nct has 21 members but from what I’ve seen, many wayv stans r separating themselves from the nct fandom because they truly
believe that nctzens don’t do anything for wayv (streaming voting on Chinese platforms etc) Like a lot of them think nctzens are just obsessed whether they’re in nct or not and don’t rlly support them. And if it were announced that wayv is not officially part of nct some wayv stans think that nctzens would drop them because they’re not part of the nct system and thus aren’t real fans. I mean I can’t rlly blame them because barely anyone streamed their last comeback moonwalk. Anyways wayv’s upcoming comeback is June 9th let’s show a lot of love and support this time around.
ikr 😔
I mean even Mark said that WayV is part of NCT
Ooh the first skz one is hot tea and exactly what I’m thinking atm
What happend actually? I began to stan in begin 2020
liyong fu woojin left before the levanter cb. And we don’t know why he left
liyong fu in october 2019 woojin left stray kids for personal reasons. it was during a time where they were really busy so i kind of understand why chan was angry. (if you search “chan talking about woojin on vlive” you can find the clip) some people have theories like he was being mistreated, he used it to launch his solo career, he had a dating scandal or something like that (jyp has a ban for dating for three years before and after debut and stray kids debuted in 2017 so it might have been before that) but honestly i don’t think we’ll ever know unless woojin himself comes out to talk about it but i dont think ever will
Me reading this in 2020 like.....
@@ellabise no
wayv got added to the official "This Is NCT" spotify playlist. more proof of ot21
5:12 most of blackpink' songs could possibly become boring because of the "teddy formula":
boombayah
whistle
playing with fire
d4
forever young
see you later
kill this love
Oc they don't sound the same but the choruses structure is similar.
2ne1's i am the best and big bang's bang bang bang also have the same structure :///
@@vicktoria4864 teddy's formula, once again
I don't understand the boredom card (I respect your opinion but please develop it)
I mean music is all about recycling it's always Verse, pre-chorus, chorus, verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge and outro (it can have like 3 other variations) . This so called Teddy formula is actually a classic pop song formula, if it is boring then 90% of the music industry is.
That's all I have to say
@@ahater7567 I'm talking about the lack for choruses, those songs only have a major catchy phrase, then the "onomatopoeia". I know pop music has songs like this too, in my opinion they become boring as time goes on.
I don't agree with you at all. I don't think they're going to become boring because of the "teddy formula" it seems like a usual K-pop formula to me and the chorus' definitely sound very different to me but if that's what you think I'll respect that.
4:00 I Got A Boy did NOT become 2013 song of the year for I Don't Like Your Girlfriend to be called the pioneer of that sound k thanks
she's cute but she aint THAT cute
periodt
What
yea
But I think she meant that everybody say: itZy inVEnteD tHe TeEn CRuSh concept.
some of y'all dont want wayv to be part of nct but dude if they weren't nct they wouldn't even have the chinese version of Regular and Come Back in the first place, also their fandom name wouldn't be Wayzenni (which is basically just Nctzen/czenni) and their lightstick wouldn't have almost the same color as nct's! y'all are just trying to find reasons to distance them because you dont like nct, but the fact is that wayv IS a part of nct!
joyce조이스 PERIODT
someone finally said it
NOT THE LOONA LORE POSTER
5:20 bro whoever said this is WACK... blackpink is one of the most hated groups on stan twt but okay babe
mainly because people hate successful women
@@blossomfg nah blinks are just 70% shitty people and make blackpink look bad. Blackpink did that do themselves too. Jennie's lazy scandals that she had no good reason to have (don't come to me with she's depressed or something. If she could slay her solo stage she could've put a little more effort in her group stages) only Jisoo out of the 4 has had any improvement since debut. Rosé still sounds like she's in labor Jennie is either yelling or barely breathing Lisa barely keeps her voice going too. Blackpink have no reason to be more famous than other groups that actually works for their music and work on improving. Like Twice write their own music or help with writing it and always comeback with better vocals and stability.
It's true tho thier new comeback will be aiiyl 2.0
@UCfLAl4t6zvvBNTuf9mt4A7g no thanks ♥️
@@casteelsimp3539 1. blackpink write their songs too but yg doesn't give them credit
2. your only argument, as always, is "jennie's lazy" when you don't even try to know more about her than those 3 shitty videos that you watched 1yr ago
3. if you don't like them, you don't have to hate on them omg they didn't improve bc they didn't have the opportunity to show more than the 4 same songs of always ( and all of them dance's level improve a lot btw)
4. are you saying that all the hate is because their shitty fandom? so the people telling them that all the fame they got is because the sucked someone's dick, is it just because blinks are toxics? "blackpink did that to themselves", what? being called sluts, anorexics and dealing with death threats every single day? is it their fault? y'all forget that even if they are really famous they are practically rookies in the industry and you didn't give them a breath since day 1, every fucking day judging them and talking shit about them. they only wanted to debut as everyone, they had illusions but you've destroyed their dreams giving them anxiety. you justify your hate into "well they aren't that good to be that famous, you know, this other gg is better" we. don't. care. if they are successful, they are successful. you don't need to belittle them everyday. that's all.
"I know some of you don't really like this. *But I don't really care* "
Legend 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Idk why but the way they pronounce Woojin made me laugh hsjdhdkd
_wohjin_
About NCT 127 Concept in Kick It: it isn't the concept chinese culture, it's the topics in Bruce Lee's films. The lyrics are in the othey way to write korean, it isn't the first time they use it, they used to in limitless and in the MV they writte limitless in the background + part of the coreography is similar.
I’m a solo stan and to avoid unnecessary hate I usually explain it like
“there’s a certain member whose individual work I like a lot and I’m a casual listener of the group”
like Yongguk from B.A.P, Zico from Block B, Mino from Winner and RM from BTS.
there’s no need to hate the other members, I’ll never ask for the one I stan to go solo but I won’t force myself to like a group if it’s not sincere. It’s totally fine to be a solo stan because the artistry of the group may differ from a member’s individual work and you are not obliged to like everything.
the loona one 🤣 when you just pulled out the infographic lol
This was quite an interesting discussion
Yall she doesnt care about ur sob stories
honesty I’d just like to add something saying that if woojin had left skz after talking and clearing stuff with the rest of the skz members then Chan would’ve NEVER brought it up, that just concludes that he might be salty about woojin leaving.
he could've just brought it up bc he knows everyone was wondering and wanted to give us some closure???? lmao the only thing his vlive told us is that woojin was kicked out. I don't think it was that deep
kpop stuffs yeah but after the closure woojin and Chan both received hate and I’m sure Chan is smart enough to see that coming, he knows how toxic stays can get and it’s not like he has received enough hate in the past :/ but yeah maybe I’m just thinking about it too much
NAWT THE LOONA LORE INFOGRAPHIC😭😭😭
great video!!
On the solo stan thing:
I'm sort of a solo stan for YooA of Oh My Girl. I'm not a big fan of Oh My Girl's music. It just isn't something I can vibe to. They have a couple songs I really liked, but overall, not my style.
YooA's stuff though? Gorgeous. The reason I get up every day.
Her mini is sooo good. Abracadabra for soloist Bside of the year.
The members of Oh My Girl are so pretty and so talented and 100% deserve the love that they're getting, it's just that the music they put out as a whole isn't really my style. I really liked Non Stop though, so maybe if they continue with music like that, I could end up stanning them.
You can disagree with me, just do so politely. Taste is subjective. If I stan a group/soloist, I do so for the music, not for the people.
Same.
At an SM press conference last year, it was literally announced WayV was NCT, the new CEO of SM said WayV was NCT this year...what more confirmation do y'all need???? Don't know why people are still trying to deny it?
At this point people who keep trying to say WayV aren't NCT are freaking delusional. They promote each other's comebacks, are clearly friends and hang out off-camera and 4 members of WayV were in NCT 2018 promotions...
tbh i agree with all of this, but i'm still saddened by the fact that renjun (ft. chenle) were the only ones who even tried to promote atw/tbt.
5:00 true genius cannot be described with words
I don't get the comment on the NCT members. It's not because of political tension, it's a legal situation that WayV can't have "NCT" in their name. This was addressed when WayV's name was first officially revealed. Also, one of the members of the board of directors of SM said NCT currently consists of 21 members- at least according to a translation I once read. I don't have these articles and posts saved and I couldn't find them now so I don't have anything to back this up :( In any case why are people still talking about this? And with what the comment said, why would NCT 2019 need to be a thing to confirm Xiaojun, Hendery, and Yangyang being in NCT? There's probably other things that go on behind the scenes in terms of officiality, technicalities, legal issues, copyrights, marketing, etc. that we don't fully know about or fully understand, and that goes for all kpop companies, not just NCT or SM.
Tbh I don’t think it’s a matter if you’re white or Asian that you would be successful in America, Korea, etc. While racist is sorta important in kpop (not really, you just need to be Casper) I think its taste. Kpop offers things the west doesn’t have in music. For example, people with higher voices, a cuter visual, and just interested in making that music would most likely suit Kpop compare to America. In America, the big thing is looking tough, thick, and fierce. So someone with a more innocent persona wouldn’t fit well in the American market. So let’s stop focusing on why foreign idols don’t fit into kpop and let’s think why they would fit, despite their racist or color.
white privilege is a thing and is the main reason white people invading a poc space is harmful
I understand that and it’s a huge problem. It just kinda annoys me when people say these white idols should just go to American and pursue a career. Also, of course people of color should get these opportunities. But because of the colorist industry that is kpop, these people of color barely ever get a chance.
the woojin opinion didn't age well 💀💀
Neither the NCT and WayV one at 6:20 💀💀
Lmao I was just thinking that.... and now nct 2020 with 23 members lol
It's BTS ( not army ) that had 3 hate hashtags against them trending in Korea and worldwide by two different fandoms while ARMYs never did this to any other group even tho it's easy for them to do . I joined twitter last year and have noticed that whenever multiple fandoms have attacked BTS ( literally calling them the most fucked up things ) only ARMYs fight back and others ignore or laugh at it but as soon as 1 Army with 20k likes says something wrong multiple fandoms jump on it and propagate their ARMYs toxic agenda
THANK U! ARMY RECEIVE ALL THE HATE AND WHEN WE FIGHT BACK WE ARE THE MOST TOXIC FANDOM
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the most toxic armys are on twt so I guess you just haven’t gained enough experience. my army friends on insta are nice, I only find supportive and kind fans on youtube, the ones I know in person are extremely C U T E but the ones on twt. lord have mercy on us.
1. they claim everything is theirs, should it be colors, emojis, numbers, styles, way of protecting their idols etc.
2. everyone is below BTS no matter what their relationship is like, when those artists debuted, what they achieved in their times and how far they reached compared to themselves.
3. they claim BTS is not kpop and everyone who listens to any other korean artist as BTS are kpoopies who deserve to be treated like trash.
4. they send targeted hate to everyone who ever had any relation to BTS. When Boy with Luv didn’t win some award, armys rushed to Halsey’s twt account and bombarded her with hate until she tweeted that she feels hurt by all the hate because winning that award would have meant a lot to her as well.
5. it’s also not a rare occurence to see army comments under tweets about the achievements of other artists trying to defame them, look down on them etc. if it’s not your cup of tea, you don’t sip it. simple as that.
6. they’re obsessed with numbers. it’s been a while since I saw some pure admiration for their artistry and not statistics that can easily be falsified. I’m not saying that the numbers are wrong but when a song comes out, they open the mv in 10 tabs and play it over and over again to generate numbers. kpop is not about who can generate more views. it’s some cheap fake love making people momentarily satisfied.
these are all everyday phenomenons, don’t tell me that I’m just unlucky. when BTS became famous widely in the west, the fame brought in the feces of the 1D and JB fandom and created this chaotic mess that’s basically ruining og armys’ enjoyment and love for the group and make them leave the fandom. they are overprotective, hurtful, oversensitive and mean to the core. there is a reason why no other fandom wants to be friends with them.
I’ve been listening to BTS since day1. I’ve been here for over 7 years so I know what I’m talking about. It irks and hurts me how I don’t get to enjoy the boys’ work the same as I used to because of these immature bullsh.tters.
how have u been here for 7 years and haven't found all the good armys on twt 😭
@@KpopStuffs no she's saying that there was good armys but the toxic ones are the ones that took over and covered up the good armys who have been there since day 1 like herself
abt the blackpink one, i don't think their songs are THAT special as everyone makes it out to be, but since we rarely hear from blackpink, everyone is just willing to like anything yg throws at us. it's their whole marketing plan. i hope in their future cb they don't do like d4 or klt though. i really liked the concept variety they had in 2016-2017. from tropical edm, to acoustic ballads and synth pop
This. Their bsides are superior tho
all the woojin stuff sure hits different now don’t it👀
With line distributions I wont get upset unless one member gets like less than a second or some shit
the loona one was iconic 😭
and the two last ones 🗣🗣🗣
The LOONA one lmfao that picture of the mobius strip theory isn't even the most complicated part... it made me laugh
People are jumping on the bandwagon and calling blinks and ARMYs toxic when fandoms like like once and blackjack trash talks about blackpink on their fave's videos and some of their comments arevthe most liked ones and in Blackpink's and BTS'S video, no one mentions any other groups
THIS. Literally! They're the 2 biggest fandoms of course they're going to have the most toxic fans.
unpopular opinion: hate is not an opinion
I like google speech voice way more than a persons actual voice, the speech voice just makes it funnier
Unpopular opinion: almost all unpopular opinions in these types of videos aren't unpopular.
I agree with you in most of the opinions :')
5:20 I have to disagree with it
Since momoland and Blackpink face a massive bandwagon now, they are all both critized for the bare minimum, on things they have no control over or even for simply breathing. The girls don't deserve the hate they get and it really fucking piss me off when Blinks attack Momoland instead of defending Bp since they both struggle rn. We have to show solidarity instead of division and be mature!
Wowwwwwww I am too early...but make sure to accept other people’s opinions because it is an opinion not a FACT
Also please take care of yourself during the virus🥺🤍
lmao that loona mv one actually made me laugh because i remember trying to understand the theories and gave up before my brain combusted
imo armys are the most toxic fandom atm - not bc they're the biggest fandom but bc bts are the biggest group. the same thing happened with EXOLs when exo were the most popular bg and with VIPs when bigbang were in the same position. being the top group means there are some fans who get this huge superiority complex which is shown through ugly behaviour. unfortunately bc bts keep breaking records, making strides in music and growing bigger, this just feeds the complex. when things calm down some more, the fans will too.
(this is also because many of the fans that are toxic tend to be younger so they'll grow out of it around the same time the buzz around bts calms down.)
red veluvs are lowkey the chillest fandom
Omg I love u how respect everyone's oppion I love u I can't express how much I appreciate you 💗❤️❤️ ( subscribed)
I honestly agree with everything you said😅
"Too bad" IDK WHY BUT THAT HAD ME WHEEZING
i am fr wondering how u can appropriate a letter system
I mean I would get it if it was situation like an american using an east asian language as an aesthetic without knowing what it means, but as far as I knew Chinese characters r intertwined with Korean anyways and the themes they used weren't rlly offensive but idk 😭
@@KpopStuffs exactly 🤣
i think for the 'line distribution' part, its because some idols are clearly having way less lines than others, yes i think their position matters, but aren't they all training hard to be singers/idols? i think it would be okay if only some songs are like this, but for some idols its most of the songs, they trained hard to be idols, so they should atleast have 1-2 more lines.
The this about line distribution- position and voice are totally a factor but on the flip side, why put a member in if you're never going to give them lines and stunt their career?
YEAHHH TURN THAT NOISE MUSIC UP I LIVE FOR THAT SHIT
THE FREAKING LOONAVERSE CHART
5:40 i think ppl say that to sound more objective, as in, to make it clear they're not biased to love everything x group puts out bc they're not fans, kind of like saying "you don't need to be a fan to see this group slays".
I didn't see this getting released so I'm late, but I definitely didn't expect Let Me In best solo to make it lol
I love bap like I live they're music and they're concept to this day even after disbandment but HIMCHAN has ALLLLWAAAAYS rubbed me wrong and I felt the need to force me to to like him which made me distance myself from the group in fears of being a 'bad' Stan but I'm past that point and I still don't like him...but bap SMACKS
idk as for me i consider wayv as another group from nct but does it really matter if i keep respecting both of them? i think not,,,,,
4:04 if we're talking about gg then maybe it was weki meki (don't really stan them, so idk) but overall the group that pioneered this type of music and made it a trend is NCT.
Part 2 and 3 would be great to pass time especially from a great and honest yt channel☺. one thing i will comment about it😅 the noisy music, i feel like all kpop boy group lately have the same vibe and sound they are all edm and somehow annoying as i couldn t tell such group from another ,same concept and almost same choreography so a lot refer to it as noisy mostly edm songs. Same for gg honestly some group use the same shit over and over ,they aren t bad its just too repetitive 😧.
Wow I like google voice more because I feel like I'm to close to the peiple when its their own voice and I feel uncomfortable
Army isn’t a toxic fan base, there are just toxic people in that fandom. And literally every fandom has toxic fans, bts just has a larger fan base with younger fans ig so ofc there’s a lot of toxic people, but it doesn’t mean that the whole of army is toxic. I know some army’s who are the nicest people who are respectful and lovely to non army’s and stuff. Some people just think they know everything, and they don’t think logistically 🥰💅
I hate most kpop youtubers actual voices. I like the robot voices. 🤷♀️
Me too (i don’t hate their voices tho, I just prefer the robot voice)
who said that nct was appropriating chinese culture with their concept in kick it😭😭 so much of korean culture came from china n korea literally used chinese characters in the past before they developed their own language n they still use chinese characters regularly (like in news articles) to this day- n like u said they were just referencing famous people jn the lyrics
peep gone days in the back 👀
i really liked this video!! it was quite interesting
as a big weki meki stan, i completely agree they could have become a huge hit. unfortunately, they're still criminally underrated :(
that last comment was the most logical of all and your reply made it better. i think people should be more open-minded about it and just stop the hate lol
liking the "noisy" music is never something to be ashamed of. many artists release that type of music because they like it. If u got anything bad to say about people working hard to release music and getting hated on for the sound FUCKING KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.
great video i hope you make a part two
1:30 i agree so much.
"Too bad" HELP
Loona dosen’t really apply their storyline in their mvs lately they only apply it in teasers which makes it...
they literally couldn't for the past year because of internal issues. it wasn't up to them or the current employees at bbc. but either way the lore that does exist is pretty unique to them
U know u love a song when the background music is so low but u still know it (gone days)
I agree with the line distribution one. I don't get it when blinks or midzys complain about lines distribution when most of their line distributions are fair. Yeah, Jisoo and tends to be last and Chaeryong/Yuna don't get the most lines mostly but they do get lines, not like in other line distributions like Hi High/So What by Loona or half of Everglow's songs, where line distributions are actually really unfair
What is let me in best solo? That confused me. Is that a song?
let me in by haseul, referring to loona solos
@@KpopStuffs oh ok
QUEEN
3:32 say it louder holy shit if you don’t like one side why are you interacting with them so much this goes for every kpop fandom
line distributions dont matter to me :// unless if a member with a good voice keeps having like 5 second lines or smth. if its the main rapper has less lines then its just how it works, rappers have more words but less time. but if its a sub vocalist getting 3 seconds then im not okay with it ://
1:05 kay but like when my mans ahn jaehyo gets barely 2 minutes of lines out of ~35 minutes of music??? let us hear his voice!! homie legit had one line in Shall We Dance before the hiatus,,,,
Firsttt
My opinion
Yaya good stuffs
5:01 Lmfaaaoooo
ok, I personally don't like Lana's music, and I think she looks a little bit weird, but it's because we don't used to see white people in K-pop, but wtf are you saying about opportunities? she's russian, not American or even West European, what kind of opportunities she has in West countries? could she do the style she likes in usa? not only music, but also dance and aesthetic? probably couldn't, do she has more chances to be successful in the west? maybe, but are they that much bigger? I don't think so
she's white. racially, she has more opportunities to do whatever she wants. that doesn't mean she would've been immediately more successful, but white privilege is a real thing she would benefit from.
Intellectual. That’s all I’m going to say.
5:02 dudeeeeee you #BURN the haters 😂
most of these are almost the exact same 🤧i g n o r a n t
Why hello there
Where Lana is from in Russia is closer to korea than the european part of Russia idk why people act like shes not asian.
her family is caucasian
@@KpopStuffs oh really? Lol I didnt know that.
i just saw a discussion about my opinion that was in the video... yikes
white ppl in kpop doesn't bother me but if they can't speak basic hangul,,,, that's where it starts to get messy
edit: ok hangul is their alphabet not language- illiterate tingz 💋💅
Hangul.....girl...hangul is their alphabet...
you could of just said korean 😭
@@KpopStuffs MY DUMBASS DOESNT KNO SHIT MAN-
6:24 that didn't age very well
NCT China doesn't sound good to me, I think it doesn't fit, it feels kinda empty and the name it's boring, but WayV sounds cool and interesting. Also, WayV is under SM and (I don't know too much about it) but a Chinese company called... something V, so that's why they are called Way...V.
it stands for "we are your vision." i dunno why, but sm felt the need to promote wayv under a different sub-label called labelv.
People think armys calling a group flops is peak toxicity (i have see it on twitter all the time), but just last week we got people making fun about the death threats Joon got, and before that we had nct k-stans calling JK a sexual abuser, and then we got k-pop stans trending hate hashtags about Jimin on his bday. I'm not saying armys are saints because we arent, but we haven't done half of the shit kpop stans have done to BTS and even us. So no, me saying you stan a bunch of flops after your fandom called my fav a rapist isnt me being the most toxic person in the world. The times i have seen armys crossing the lines fr are small, and sometimes... I just dont care. I have seen my favs go through so much that i just have no empathy for other fandoms. If you come for my favs i'm gonna drag yours. And until the day i see armys siding with naz!s i'm not gonna stop defending my fandom
Y'all just gotta be respectful, y'know? It ain't that hard...
I'm so fucking tired of people always shitting on BTS and Army. In the end of the day they are the ones bringing out the toxic side of the fandom. And again, every single fandom has that group of toxic fans. I'm not even a part of the Army but it's so stupid
I completely agree with the Woojin one, thank you so much ❤
To be honest regarding to WayV as not part of Nct is quite dumb idea like what the fuck is Sm thinking debuting Lucas,Ten, Winwin in their two diff groups agenda
No.2 factor
(Some WayZenNi hate the fact that WayV is part of Nct, why?? Czennies i'm lost at word y'all always say that you're an OT21 but when WayV has a comeback only few supports them, as a stan twitter i've seen enough shits. Where is your vision????
5:01 lmaoajsbsjs
5:03 big oof
I really really really dont like g idle. (Please dont hate me 😂) i dont like their music, the only song i enjoy is uh oh. I guess theyre just not fot me. the only member that i liked was miyeon tbh.
Omg korea is appropiating characters bc just chinese ppl can speak chinese
Lana is there cuz she loves korea and it’s culture ( not in a koreaboo way ofc ) there’s nothing wrong with her being there. Even Koreans are accepting more diversity it’s all the international fans that swear they know what it’s like for Koreans and other asians that are being annoying.
white people can succeed in any other place. she can love korea and not debut there. white people have so many opportunities to be successful, poc have so little. why take the place when poc are actually happy and represented???
Amalia De Pinho Sarni I understand that ofc, especially since Asians in particular didn’t have any representation in America or other countries before kpop. Lana is white but she sings Korean, giving them representation. And she’s unproblematic unlike groups like Kaachi that are disrespecting kpop and Korean culture.
Stop being mean to isis or I'll have to woof woof grr bark bark SNARL grr your face
Woojin and skz aged not so well, i wish ot8 best of luck and they did not deserve this ..let's pretend 9 or none is actually for twice bc skz are onces