Ito's ability to turn the mundane into the horrific is quite a skill. He's almost like a comedian in the sense that he's able to point out things that don't seem obvious at first, but he uses it to disturb you instead instead of making you laugh.
That kind of reminds me of an author, I read a bunch of his books years ago, his name is Bentley Little. He wrote books about various things, most if not all of them taking place in the Southwest where he's from. He wrote a book about a supernatural and even more evil version of Walmart, or the same for an HOA, all sorts of stuff. That guy could make McDonald's terrifying if he tried, though of course it wouldn't be McDonald's because he wouldn't want to get sued. As far as I'm concerned he's a better horror writer than Steven King, he certainly can get the endings better than King often can.
The funny thing about Ito-San is that irl he’s actually in real life apparently a very nice person while Miyazaki is a very cold and miserable man despite his works
Uzumaki is like a perfect example of cosmic horror done right. And it weeds out people who don't get/appreciate cosmic horror pretty damn quick. Why? ...Because the whole point is that the story doesn't explain itself. There's no exposition dump scene where the "rules" of the town are suddenly made clear, or convenient omni disciplinary genius character to work out the exact cause and effect of what's happening by breaking the fourth wall to peek at the script. Horrifying, alien, seemingly-inexplicable stuff just *happens* to the unfortunate cast. And as each event unfolds they slowly but surely work out *some* of what's going on the hard way... by trial and error. In a survival scenario. Yeah. (TL;DR? If your automatic response to any kind of unanswered question or ambiguity is anxious frustration? Skip it. If you enjoyed any kind of Lovecraft story and/or a derivative adaption of one at any point in your life? You'll love it.)
Is the unexplainable a necessary component of cosmic horror generally? I associate the unexplainable specifically with Lovecraftian horror, but I feel like there's room for something else there.
Cosmic horror a lot of times is an expansion of fear of the unknown but taken in a different direction, instead of letting your fears run rampant for something until you can define it Cosmic Horror gives you something undefinable or beyond the ability to properly comprehend. Kind of like that moment of terror people get when you're first out at sea and suddenly you realize just how massive and deep those depth are and while you may "know" what lives there you can't really see, hear or use your other senses to know what any of it is doing like you can on land. Mind you trying to put that experience to words or images is incredibly difficult and highly subjective. And unfortunately the reason Cosmic Horror as a genre is so hard is you can't really keep using the same trick, think how scary the movie Alien is the first time you watch it, how scared are you when you get to 3 or Resurrection, or after you rewatch the movie, the beast no matter how unearthly loses its terror (until you play Alien Isolation, but that's aside from the point).
Sometimes people consume these sorts of stories and feel the author has been lazy by not offering any sort of subtext to at least imply what is going on. In this case it works, because it's horror, but in any other genre it's actually infuriating for an author to just assume the reader can directly relate to and interpret their imagination without context.
Don't worry, he still believes those things. Just like any good hypocrite, what he likes/approves of should stay. What he doesn't like/thinks is childish or perverted should be banned.
@@jimperson4513 I'm pretty sure "Grave of the Fireflies is one of the best films ever made" and "anime is cringe" are mutually exclusive statements. He said one of these things in this video. Sounds like he's actually changed.
No, that just means he's reached the connoisseur phase that usually requires going through a phase of general love/fanaticism for anime before emerging from that cocoon into the state of, "Miyazaki was right about anime being a mistake. That said, you should definitely give [ series ] a watch/read, and if you're into [ genre ], you'd probably like [specific recommendation]." No true, seasoned anime fan doesn't spit on the majority of anime.
Don't worry, most seasoned anime/manga enjoyers will attest to "anime is trash", it's part of the cycle. What most people don't get is that anime and manga are more an aesthetic than a genre of writing/animation, in the sense that you can have an anime story about practically anything. Sure, I still ascribe to the notion that "true anime" is only what is written by Japanese mangaka (for my fellow ATLA and Teen Titans fans out there), because there's a who way of story telling and tropes that seem to be very characteristic of Japan, certainly due to their culture. Connor somehow "cheated" and achieved the "enlightened" phase without consuming vas amounts of shonen trash and mid anime, but the end goal is the same: some anime and manga truly stand out as masterpieces, just like any other medium. That's why we don't have 30 Lord of the Rings, in terms of fantasy novels.
*Connor: I hate Anime.* *My, how the turntables.* Yes, i know it's Manga but it's quite the big step going from hating to at least "read the manga". I guess that trip to Japan changed the man.
The only person that says they hate anime has seen only bad anime (or, at least, anime that doesn't resonate with them). Once you find the anime (or manga) that resonates with you, you'll understand why it's such an enormous media subculture. There's an anime out there for anyone. _Anyone._ You just have to find it.
@@Armameteus I maintain that certain mediums/asthetics are not for certain people. If your product is good enough, you can punch through it, but it can be harder to do so. I'm not a rap person, and don't really enjoy horror stories, but in both instances a few products of each are good enough that I enjoy them. However that doesn't mean it isn't far more likely that I'll dislike an "ok" product just because I don't care for the medium.
As an extension of the Pantera story. Something similar happened in animation with the terrible Kyoto Animation studio fire. Likewise someone had thought they had stolen his ideas and he lit the place on fire with eveyone still working away inside to ghastly results.
Junji Itto skill is such that every anime Adaptation of his work has been a flop. It's just not that easy to Capture the disturbing Horror he Masterfully put into the page.
I'm watching the latest uzumaki that adult swim has and its.... okay. I just fucking hate how in most anime, they almost always use dialogue to explain everything, rather than just showing.
@@Wabaanimkii his style isn't very conducive to animation. It's too detailed. I believe the first episode captured the look the best it has ever been done, then they had to cheap out on the rest of the episodes
Remina (or Hellstar: Remina) is particularly good for what it does for the 'stalking' aspect being talked about in this video, since that involves an astronomer naming a newly discovered planet after his daughter which in turn causes her to become famous and stalked by admirers. Which she is ambivalent about because her fame in some ways is 'undeserved' simply because of the link of her name with the planet. And which when the planet turns out to be devouring the solar system turns the girl from famous into a pariah and all those who were desperate to be with her now turn on her and decide only sacrificing her will stop the planet from attacking.
My favourite of Junji Ito's works was the short story, "The Town Without Streets". Very little supernatural shenanigans actually go on, yet it really nails the paranoia of thinking you might be being watched by something/someone as well as the violation of privacy.
A Sergeant Major of my unit in the Army was working for Columbus police when Dimebag was shot. It’s interesting to listen to someone who was there when that event transpired concerning how big of a Pantera and overall metal fan I am, it struck me how horrific the scene is.
Kind of cool that you guys are exploring this. It's for certain the most original horror concepts in modern history. Some of them are absolutely haunting.
@@zolarczakl6815 what does that have to do with it. How can you not know that Harry Robinson is a based person? He’s one of the main hosts of the biggest conservative political news podcast in England.
lol. The playing records backwards giving sinister things is one of those pre-widespread internet urban legends that ran riot when I was a kid. Were so many of them I and am sure everyone able to recall that time. Anyone remember the girl who’d not revised and made horrific uses of pencils in her GCSE? Lords Prayer (and other things) backwards whilst looking in the mirror is another!
I am sorely disappointed they haven't covered the grandfather of comics, the master of pulp himself, Edgar Rice Burroughs, as of yet. I mean, you can find most of his work as audiobooks on youtube right now, very easily.
I liked Ito's version of Frankenstein. It's a surprisingly good adaptation, even if there are a few changes like the "Eve" Victor was building being completed, and reacted to "Adam" with the same anger and disgust every other human has shown him, forcing him to destroy her. The bitterness he felt from his master's (supposed, in this case) betrayal was still conveyed, and meshed well with the canon tragedy that Victor suffers. Even when he held up his end of the bargain, his love still gets taken from him.
There is a multi-volume collection of short horror stories called Fuan no Tane (Seeds of Anxiety). Most of the stories are just a few pages long, but still manage to be very unsettling. There's even some horror-comedy, like a monster that knocks on someone's door only to find out that he's at the wrong house.
At 3 minutes in, it reminded of a Japanese horror film 'Cure'. A David-Lynch-style film about everyday people being driven to insanity but the twist is that there's nothing "insane" about that "insanity." A great film.
Something Harry may enjoy: the singer of All That Remains has before refused to explain lyrics that fans had tattoos of, for fear they won't match some obsessive's interpretation.
@@colinr0380so how do u feel about this stuff? asking bc ppl in these corners generally love Japan.. do u think there's an element of Chinese propaganda there? do u accept some retrospective justifications about some of the experiments conducted in that they led to important discoveries ?
There's a lot of cultural aspects from this that are pretty common in Japan. They have all these highly produced bands with highly cultivated images and personalities, having to have secret relationships so fans who think they have a shot will still go as well as to mitigate stalkers, exploitation (physical and fiscal) of all sorts, etc.
It's pretty good. It's EXTREMELY slow and not justifiably. Lots of time is wasted on unnecessary dialogue. I watched it after finishing Death Note, so I found the pace to be utterly torturous.
Another important 'post-WWII' Japan animation is Barefoot Gen and its sequel. Which is more autobiographical and came out a couple of years before Grave of the Fireflies.
yes ... Uzumaki ... I found it when I was looking for something new because i just read all available Naruto's ... yeh ... it sucked me in ... for a day i saw spirals all around me .... never looked at manga the say way again.
A lot horror manga now are just becoming shock content/author working our their own personal traumas in life or at worse, sadomasochistic fetishes. Ito feels more like he's USING his to create compelling narratives. That's my issue I've notice with modern day graphic novels and manga. People aren't USING the traumas, fears, short-comings to create fictional tales like Lovecraft and Ito, they're just having mini disturbing therapy-sessions with themselves. Now I know Lovecraft did some ranting in his tales about other races too, but the cosmic horror mythos always felt like to me him using all his hatred/fears of the unknown in life to create it.
5:35 There's the Nuns song "Sewerslide Child", that's always a funny one. "You let me down, down, down, down down down! You slit your wrist, you stupid bitch!" I know it doesn't sound funny in text, but listen to it, you'll probably chuckle.
In defence of Zappa releases: it’s owned by his family, I don’t think he’d mind at all. They’re all committed to his creative legacy and work in that spirit. 200 Motels can be watched as a feature film because his planned live event at the Royal Festival Hall was shut down by the council pearl clutchers before he could put it on - about a decade ago, his wife Gail, organised the premier of it there just like he wanted (even down to projecting a barbed wire enclosure around the theatre which he imagined but couldn’t have realised at the time it was supposed to happen. He was recording and mixing his tapes constantly at home - seeing what happened if he put this with that, adding parts, experimenting like a mad scientist. I fully believe that given enough time he’d have released loads of stuff he had but never got a chance to.
Speaking of the belief that bands incite listeners to "end themselves". The best rebuttal to this was made by Stormtroopers of Death (S.O.D) with the 3rd track on their album "Speak English or Die". UA-cam's ToS won't let me say the name, but everyone feel free to look it up
If youre covering graphic novels I'd love a discussion on Patrice Killoffer's '676 apparitions of Killoffer', possibly one of the greatest graphic novels ever written imo.
One of my favourite things about Junji Ito is that he seems to take 'current hot topic issues' from the culture - anorexia, stalking, becoming a hikikomori, jealousy and so on - as a kind of initial starting point and then rather than just leaving it at that, he folds it into his own worldview of people becoming obsessed or in thrall to other people or things (or even just the _thought_ of people or things), which usually ends up completey overwhelming and transforming them.
Untrue. We played Stairway to Heaven backwards when I was stationed in Monterey California. It takes a while to find it but you'll hear "Aaahhh Sweet Satan... ... Six Six Six." I'm sure it's very possible it was a coincidence but it's in there.
Oh yeah and the guilt and traumas of Unit 73, two nukes and firebombings. It's prime country for horror content and I had it to them. There's literally no other nation in the world that has mastered the horrors of humanity and extended out to the paranormal/supernatural like the Japanese. From human horrors, to cosmic horror (which the thanks largely Lovecraft, but I think the concept of cosmic horrors goes back a bit further than him, but Ito has state his Lovecraft inspiration for some of his works like Hellstar) or ethereal horrors, Japan's got it on lock.
Western horror slop has a problem with telling too much and explaining the horror, Ito's works is straight show no tell, letting the audience use their brains and imagination to explain what is happening. Western slop treat you like children, Japanese works treat you like an intellectual adult.
Totoro: no plot, just good vibes… Bro’s, they move to the countryside to be nearer the hospital their cancer riddled mother is being treated. Mai runs away and ends up at the bus stop (where Totoro meets up with her and takes her and Satski on the Catbus) with a cob of corn a neighbour they called Granny said is full of goodness to make Mummy better. It ends with them sitting in a tree watching Mum opening her window and finding the corn and somehow it does feel like she’s gonna survive - but it’s not guaranteed. All we know for sure is that the girls have bonded through a magical (if traumatic for Satski who finds a shoe and believes her sister has drowned for a moment back there) adventure, that they have become friends with wondrous creatures - and that when they grow up they won’t*
Ooh, that morbidity of scavenging through a dead musician's works could be the basis of a horror story along the lines of the "Tell Tale Heart" or "The Raven." I don't have the skill or understanding of the industry to try.
I think it is interesting how post war Japan is very based while post war Germany has become demoralized and deracinated, You can easily make a Grave of the Fireflies or Barefoot Gen type of story of the German civilians who like the Japanese suffered greatly but until recently such stories has not reached prominence.
Did Connor convert? Change his opinion? We accept him with open arms into the manga/anime fandom of Junji Ito's artworks. Ito is the Japanese, Lovecraft. Lovecraft is not as revered as he should be. He contributed much to American horror. He got canceled instead.
I accept him into the manga/anime fandom purely on the ground that he denounces manga/anime (it's the bell-curve meme), but that he likes Junji Ito is a nice bonus.
That Japan, legendarily civilised and orderly society that it is, could spew up something like Unit 731 is an irony so neat and cruel it seems like bad writing.
Watch Steins;Gate for the best main character ever. Watch Mob Psycho 100 for the best supporting character ever. Watch Code Geass for the best ending ever
Michael Jackson bought the Beatles records and refused to sell them back to the band. I couldn't care what Sony did with his music after he died. Jackson would be a hypocrite if he was alive to care what they did to his music.
The beatles weren't a band anymore when Jackson bought the rights and Paul McCartney even advised Michael to do it because he knew it would be a good business move for him. It wasn't a malicious thing. Also, Jackson didn't butcher and bastardise the beatles music or plunder their graves.
Fundamental misunderstanding of Lovecraft and Ito. It's more like... Lovecraft: _"FUCKING IMMIGRANTS and... What if humanity was just tiny spec in the GRAND cosmic scheme of greater beings we can't EVER hope to comprehend that have no care one way or the other for humanity, but as pawns or food?"_ Junji Ito: _"Oh that's interesting because my country's mythology is steeped in heavy horrors, xenophobic in it's own right and we still have things to psychology process post-WW2 after the atrocities we committed and was committed to us. Let me add to that."_
The MOST IMPORTANT PART of Totoro is that the family has been uprooted to rural Japan because the mother is gravely ill. The father is doing his best to protect the little girls from the painful burden of their uncertain future.
@@racheljames7 Relocate to a crapshack because mom has a disease that's no biggie? No. That's the false impression created for the children, which allows them to retain their sense of childlike wonder, made manifest in Totoro. That's the whole point. The genius of the film is that it can still be viewed through the children's perspective, but there's more to it than that.
Ito's ability to turn the mundane into the horrific is quite a skill. He's almost like a comedian in the sense that he's able to point out things that don't seem obvious at first, but he uses it to disturb you instead instead of making you laugh.
That kind of reminds me of an author, I read a bunch of his books years ago, his name is Bentley Little. He wrote books about various things, most if not all of them taking place in the Southwest where he's from. He wrote a book about a supernatural and even more evil version of Walmart, or the same for an HOA, all sorts of stuff. That guy could make McDonald's terrifying if he tried, though of course it wouldn't be McDonald's because he wouldn't want to get sued. As far as I'm concerned he's a better horror writer than Steven King, he certainly can get the endings better than King often can.
The funny thing about Ito-San is that irl he’s actually in real life apparently a very nice person while Miyazaki is a very cold and miserable man despite his works
Ice cream, Spirals, Balloons, And being Sorry.
@@SpartanTrigger Simple. Good old fashion. "I am more disappointed with Reality" thing going on.
I don't desire skill in certain subjects, this being one.
I enjoyed the nerdy chat, lads. More of these, please.
Sounds like the Japanese H.P Lovecraft (which is a compliment).
Or not...
@@R0d_1984from me it is.
*compliment
@@deadshot8077Quite right, thanks for correcting me. 👍
Uzumaki is like a perfect example of cosmic horror done right. And it weeds out people who don't get/appreciate cosmic horror pretty damn quick.
Why? ...Because the whole point is that the story doesn't explain itself. There's no exposition dump scene where the "rules" of the town are suddenly made clear, or convenient omni disciplinary genius character to work out the exact cause and effect of what's happening by breaking the fourth wall to peek at the script.
Horrifying, alien, seemingly-inexplicable stuff just *happens* to the unfortunate cast. And as each event unfolds they slowly but surely work out *some* of what's going on the hard way... by trial and error. In a survival scenario.
Yeah.
(TL;DR? If your automatic response to any kind of unanswered question or ambiguity is anxious frustration? Skip it. If you enjoyed any kind of Lovecraft story and/or a derivative adaption of one at any point in your life? You'll love it.)
Uzumaki didnt illicit any response from except depression.
Is the unexplainable a necessary component of cosmic horror generally? I associate the unexplainable specifically with Lovecraftian horror, but I feel like there's room for something else there.
@@SaltpeterTaffy Rather the incomprehensible.
Cosmic horror a lot of times is an expansion of fear of the unknown but taken in a different direction, instead of letting your fears run rampant for something until you can define it Cosmic Horror gives you something undefinable or beyond the ability to properly comprehend. Kind of like that moment of terror people get when you're first out at sea and suddenly you realize just how massive and deep those depth are and while you may "know" what lives there you can't really see, hear or use your other senses to know what any of it is doing like you can on land. Mind you trying to put that experience to words or images is incredibly difficult and highly subjective. And unfortunately the reason Cosmic Horror as a genre is so hard is you can't really keep using the same trick, think how scary the movie Alien is the first time you watch it, how scared are you when you get to 3 or Resurrection, or after you rewatch the movie, the beast no matter how unearthly loses its terror (until you play Alien Isolation, but that's aside from the point).
Sometimes people consume these sorts of stories and feel the author has been lazy by not offering any sort of subtext to at least imply what is going on. In this case it works, because it's horror, but in any other genre it's actually infuriating for an author to just assume the reader can directly relate to and interpret their imagination without context.
connor going from straight up having an anime hate-boner and thinking its absolute cringe to reading junji itos works... my my, what a twist.
Don't worry, he still believes those things. Just like any good hypocrite, what he likes/approves of should stay. What he doesn't like/thinks is childish or perverted should be banned.
@@jimperson4513 I'm pretty sure "Grave of the Fireflies is one of the best films ever made" and "anime is cringe" are mutually exclusive statements. He said one of these things in this video. Sounds like he's actually changed.
No, that just means he's reached the connoisseur phase that usually requires going through a phase of general love/fanaticism for anime before emerging from that cocoon into the state of, "Miyazaki was right about anime being a mistake. That said, you should definitely give [ series ] a watch/read, and if you're into [ genre ], you'd probably like [specific recommendation]."
No true, seasoned anime fan doesn't spit on the majority of anime.
coomer idolshit is crap, which is what people thibk of when anime is brought up
Don't worry, most seasoned anime/manga enjoyers will attest to "anime is trash", it's part of the cycle. What most people don't get is that anime and manga are more an aesthetic than a genre of writing/animation, in the sense that you can have an anime story about practically anything. Sure, I still ascribe to the notion that "true anime" is only what is written by Japanese mangaka (for my fellow ATLA and Teen Titans fans out there), because there's a who way of story telling and tropes that seem to be very characteristic of Japan, certainly due to their culture.
Connor somehow "cheated" and achieved the "enlightened" phase without consuming vas amounts of shonen trash and mid anime, but the end goal is the same: some anime and manga truly stand out as masterpieces, just like any other medium. That's why we don't have 30 Lord of the Rings, in terms of fantasy novels.
*Connor: I hate Anime.*
*My, how the turntables.*
Yes, i know it's Manga but it's quite the big step going from hating to at least "read the manga".
I guess that trip to Japan changed the man.
it was always a question of how much time until he saw the proper one for him.
The only person that says they hate anime has seen only bad anime (or, at least, anime that doesn't resonate with them). Once you find the anime (or manga) that resonates with you, you'll understand why it's such an enormous media subculture.
There's an anime out there for anyone. _Anyone._ You just have to find it.
@@Armameteus I maintain that certain mediums/asthetics are not for certain people. If your product is good enough, you can punch through it, but it can be harder to do so. I'm not a rap person, and don't really enjoy horror stories, but in both instances a few products of each are good enough that I enjoy them. However that doesn't mean it isn't far more likely that I'll dislike an "ok" product just because I don't care for the medium.
Anime is an art style. Reading a Manga is engaging with anime
He still wants it banned. The ones he likes stay, the perverse and childish ones banned. He's just gonna be a hypocrite about it.
As an extension of the Pantera story. Something similar happened in animation with the terrible Kyoto Animation studio fire. Likewise someone had thought they had stolen his ideas and he lit the place on fire with eveyone still working away inside to ghastly results.
But we can all agree that nothing's more terrifying than *welcoming new housecats into your home*
Talking about Ghibli - Porco Rosso is surprisingly deep and really underrated film.
Probably my favorite of theirs.
Really? 😂 Not in a rude we, because I'm sure I like some stuff, but I always considered Porco Rosso to be the dumbest of the lot.
My favorite Junji Ito short story is Love As Scripted. It's absolutely perfect and very human.
Grave of the fireflies is one of the saddest movies I’ve ever seen the ending crushed me. I don’t think I could get myself to watch it again.
Junji Itto skill is such that every anime Adaptation of his work has been a flop. It's just not that easy to Capture the disturbing Horror he Masterfully put into the page.
I'm watching the latest uzumaki that adult swim has and its.... okay. I just fucking hate how in most anime, they almost always use dialogue to explain everything, rather than just showing.
@@Wabaanimkii his style isn't very conducive to animation. It's too detailed. I believe the first episode captured the look the best it has ever been done, then they had to cheap out on the rest of the episodes
You guys should watch and review Frieren, it's been the number one anime on my anime list daught kom for over a year.
Great anime
Junji Ito is great.
Remina (or Hellstar: Remina) is particularly good for what it does for the 'stalking' aspect being talked about in this video, since that involves an astronomer naming a newly discovered planet after his daughter which in turn causes her to become famous and stalked by admirers. Which she is ambivalent about because her fame in some ways is 'undeserved' simply because of the link of her name with the planet. And which when the planet turns out to be devouring the solar system turns the girl from famous into a pariah and all those who were desperate to be with her now turn on her and decide only sacrificing her will stop the planet from attacking.
The nerds are back!
My favourite of Junji Ito's works was the short story, "The Town Without Streets". Very little supernatural shenanigans actually go on, yet it really nails the paranoia of thinking you might be being watched by something/someone as well as the violation of privacy.
Yeah that one is fantastic with how it escalates and spirals becoming truly dreamlike
A Sergeant Major of my unit in the Army was working for Columbus police when Dimebag was shot. It’s interesting to listen to someone who was there when that event transpired concerning how big of a Pantera and overall metal fan I am, it struck me how horrific the scene is.
Kind of cool that you guys are exploring this. It's for certain the most original horror concepts in modern history. Some of them are absolutely haunting.
Didn't realize you were a Zappa fan Harry... based.
Imagine being surprised that Harry is based.. You obviously pay no attention to the main lotus eaters channel do you? 🙄
@YorkshiremanReacts26 Has he said he's a fan of Frank Zappa elsewhere?
@@zolarczakl6815 what does that have to do with it. How can you not know that Harry Robinson is a based person? He’s one of the main hosts of the biggest conservative political news podcast in England.
@@YorkshiremanReacts26 Mate. Read my first comment. I said it is based that he is a fan of Frank Zappa lol.
lol. The playing records backwards giving sinister things is one of those pre-widespread internet urban legends that ran riot when I was a kid. Were so many of them I and am sure everyone able to recall that time. Anyone remember the girl who’d not revised and made horrific uses of pencils in her GCSE? Lords Prayer (and other things) backwards whilst looking in the mirror is another!
AY UP LOTUS EATERS
I am sorely disappointed they haven't covered the grandfather of comics, the master of pulp himself, Edgar Rice Burroughs, as of yet. I mean, you can find most of his work as audiobooks on youtube right now, very easily.
I liked Ito's version of Frankenstein. It's a surprisingly good adaptation, even if there are a few changes like the "Eve" Victor was building being completed, and reacted to "Adam" with the same anger and disgust every other human has shown him, forcing him to destroy her. The bitterness he felt from his master's (supposed, in this case) betrayal was still conveyed, and meshed well with the canon tragedy that Victor suffers. Even when he held up his end of the bargain, his love still gets taken from him.
There is a multi-volume collection of short horror stories called Fuan no Tane (Seeds of Anxiety). Most of the stories are just a few pages long, but still manage to be very unsettling. There's even some horror-comedy, like a monster that knocks on someone's door only to find out that he's at the wrong house.
I still think Amigara's fault is very disturbing.
"This hole is mine; it was made for me"
@@DantinozMCThat one really got to me. It taps into both of the things I find most horrific.
At 3 minutes in, it reminded of a Japanese horror film 'Cure'. A David-Lynch-style film about everyday people being driven to insanity but the twist is that there's nothing "insane" about that "insanity." A great film.
Something Harry may enjoy: the singer of All That Remains has before refused to explain lyrics that fans had tattoos of, for fear they won't match some obsessive's interpretation.
Kudos for mentioning Unit 731. Not enough people know about that. I only learned about it last year. Makes MK UItra look like a picnic...
That Men Behind The Sun film about the subject was very disturbing.
And what about Unit 8200?
@@colinr0380haven't even seen it, not sure I want to... 😣
@@JadeRunner The 1995 sequel Black Sun: The Nanking Massacre is even more eye-popping, far wider scaled and even more reprehensible in some ways.
@@colinr0380so how do u feel about this stuff? asking bc ppl in these corners generally love Japan.. do u think there's an element of Chinese propaganda there? do u accept some retrospective justifications about some of the experiments conducted in that they led to important discoveries ?
This is great to see. I love that he adapted the everyday stuff to be a horror. Our obsessions with stuff.
There's a lot of cultural aspects from this that are pretty common in Japan. They have all these highly produced bands with highly cultivated images and personalities, having to have secret relationships so fans who think they have a shot will still go as well as to mitigate stalkers, exploitation (physical and fiscal) of all sorts, etc.
I love the background
This was a FANTASTIC conversation I’m blown away
You guys should read or watch Monster.
It's probably one of the greatest manga or anime of all time.
It's pretty good. It's EXTREMELY slow and not justifiably. Lots of time is wasted on unnecessary dialogue. I watched it after finishing Death Note, so I found the pace to be utterly torturous.
Another important 'post-WWII' Japan animation is Barefoot Gen and its sequel. Which is more autobiographical and came out a couple of years before Grave of the Fireflies.
yes ... Uzumaki ... I found it when I was looking for something new because i just read all available Naruto's ... yeh ... it sucked me in ... for a day i saw spirals all around me .... never looked at manga the say way again.
Before going into manga full time, Ito was a dentist.
*Now **_that's_** scary.*
A lot horror manga now are just becoming shock content/author working our their own personal traumas in life or at worse, sadomasochistic fetishes. Ito feels more like he's USING his to create compelling narratives. That's my issue I've notice with modern day graphic novels and manga. People aren't USING the traumas, fears, short-comings to create fictional tales like Lovecraft and Ito, they're just having mini disturbing therapy-sessions with themselves. Now I know Lovecraft did some ranting in his tales about other races too, but the cosmic horror mythos always felt like to me him using all his hatred/fears of the unknown in life to create it.
I thought the marine that shot Dimebag did it because he blamed him for Pantera breaking up.
5:35 There's the Nuns song "Sewerslide Child", that's always a funny one. "You let me down, down, down, down down down! You slit your wrist, you stupid bitch!"
I know it doesn't sound funny in text, but listen to it, you'll probably chuckle.
In defence of Zappa releases: it’s owned by his family, I don’t think he’d mind at all. They’re all committed to his creative legacy and work in that spirit. 200 Motels can be watched as a feature film because his planned live event at the Royal Festival Hall was shut down by the council pearl clutchers before he could put it on - about a decade ago, his wife Gail, organised the premier of it there just like he wanted (even down to projecting a barbed wire enclosure around the theatre which he imagined but couldn’t have realised at the time it was supposed to happen. He was recording and mixing his tapes constantly at home - seeing what happened if he put this with that, adding parts, experimenting like a mad scientist. I fully believe that given enough time he’d have released loads of stuff he had but never got a chance to.
Hellstar Remina
poor Remina and what she has to go through 😢
Speaking of the belief that bands incite listeners to "end themselves". The best rebuttal to this was made by Stormtroopers of Death (S.O.D) with the 3rd track on their album "Speak English or Die".
UA-cam's ToS won't let me say the name, but everyone feel free to look it up
If youre covering graphic novels I'd love a discussion on Patrice Killoffer's '676 apparitions of Killoffer', possibly one of the greatest graphic novels ever written imo.
One of my favourite things about Junji Ito is that he seems to take 'current hot topic issues' from the culture - anorexia, stalking, becoming a hikikomori, jealousy and so on - as a kind of initial starting point and then rather than just leaving it at that, he folds it into his own worldview of people becoming obsessed or in thrall to other people or things (or even just the _thought_ of people or things), which usually ends up completey overwhelming and transforming them.
Untrue. We played Stairway to Heaven backwards when I was stationed in Monterey California. It takes a while to find it but you'll hear "Aaahhh Sweet Satan... ... Six Six Six." I'm sure it's very possible it was a coincidence but it's in there.
Oh yeah and the guilt and traumas of Unit 73, two nukes and firebombings. It's prime country for horror content and I had it to them. There's literally no other nation in the world that has mastered the horrors of humanity and extended out to the paranormal/supernatural like the Japanese. From human horrors, to cosmic horror (which the thanks largely Lovecraft, but I think the concept of cosmic horrors goes back a bit further than him, but Ito has state his Lovecraft inspiration for some of his works like Hellstar) or ethereal horrors, Japan's got it on lock.
A surprise to be sure
But a welcome one
Western horror slop has a problem with telling too much and explaining the horror, Ito's works is straight show no tell, letting the audience use their brains and imagination to explain what is happening. Western slop treat you like children, Japanese works treat you like an intellectual adult.
Is this gonna be a thing?
Totoro: no plot, just good vibes… Bro’s, they move to the countryside to be nearer the hospital their cancer riddled mother is being treated. Mai runs away and ends up at the bus stop (where Totoro meets up with her and takes her and Satski on the Catbus) with a cob of corn a neighbour they called Granny said is full of goodness to make Mummy better. It ends with them sitting in a tree watching Mum opening her window and finding the corn and somehow it does feel like she’s gonna survive - but it’s not guaranteed. All we know for sure is that the girls have bonded through a magical (if traumatic for Satski who finds a shoe and believes her sister has drowned for a moment back there) adventure, that they have become friends with wondrous creatures - and that when they grow up they won’t*
*be able to see them because grown ups can’t. Maybe they’ll reflect that it was all in their imaginations: but we know it was all true!
The comic books actually gave me nightmares. Films and books haven't given me nightmares for donkeys.
Because they aren't limited by the technical constraints of Animation.
Ooh, that morbidity of scavenging through a dead musician's works could be the basis of a horror story along the lines of the "Tell Tale Heart" or "The Raven." I don't have the skill or understanding of the industry to try.
I think it is interesting how post war Japan is very based while post war Germany has become demoralized and deracinated, You can easily make a Grave of the Fireflies or Barefoot Gen type of story of the German civilians who like the Japanese suffered greatly but until recently such stories has not reached prominence.
Did Connor convert? Change his opinion? We accept him with open arms into the manga/anime fandom of Junji Ito's artworks. Ito is the Japanese, Lovecraft. Lovecraft is not as revered as he should be. He contributed much to American horror. He got canceled instead.
I accept him into the manga/anime fandom purely on the ground that he denounces manga/anime (it's the bell-curve meme), but that he likes Junji Ito is a nice bonus.
Fantastic content from the lads 👌🏼🔥 usually have to listen to leftists talk about manga
That Japan, legendarily civilised and orderly society that it is, could spew up something like Unit 731 is an irony so neat and cruel it seems like bad writing.
I thought Conner hated anime...
ok ito is the most popular, name other horror manga authors
Now try Violet Evergarden
Manga/anime has destroyed the minds of many Japanese, they act like children, it's everywhere.
Watch Steins;Gate for the best main character ever. Watch Mob Psycho 100 for the best supporting character ever. Watch Code Geass for the best ending ever
Yeah, it was awful what the american Government did to the Japanese civilians during WWII.
Michael Jackson bought the Beatles records and refused to sell them back to the band. I couldn't care what Sony did with his music after he died. Jackson would be a hypocrite if he was alive to care what they did to his music.
The beatles weren't a band anymore when Jackson bought the rights and Paul McCartney even advised Michael to do it because he knew it would be a good business move for him. It wasn't a malicious thing. Also, Jackson didn't butcher and bastardise the beatles music or plunder their graves.
Do Attack on Titan, now!
I think that one might be "too anime" for Connor.
@@ReboyGTR exactly. He'll just call it childish and dumb.
R. I. P. Dime
It kinda reminds me of goosebumps or tales from the crypt keeper but taken up a notch
You're kidding. I just got 'Uzumaki' for my birthday.
Lovecraft: AH! BIG FISH IS SCARRY!
Junji Ito: ho ho ho let's make random shit scary. spirals, man-shaped holes, balloon heads.
Fundamental misunderstanding of Lovecraft and Ito. It's more like...
Lovecraft: _"FUCKING IMMIGRANTS and... What if humanity was just tiny spec in the GRAND cosmic scheme of greater beings we can't EVER hope to comprehend that have no care one way or the other for humanity, but as pawns or food?"_
Junji Ito: _"Oh that's interesting because my country's mythology is steeped in heavy horrors, xenophobic in it's own right and we still have things to psychology process post-WW2 after the atrocities we committed and was committed to us. Let me add to that."_
The MOST IMPORTANT PART of Totoro is that the family has been uprooted to rural Japan because the mother is gravely ill. The father is doing his best to protect the little girls from the painful burden of their uncertain future.
I didn't think the mother was gravely ill. She was in hospital yeah, but it turns out it's no biggie.
@@racheljames7 Relocate to a crapshack because mom has a disease that's no biggie? No. That's the false impression created for the children, which allows them to retain their sense of childlike wonder, made manifest in Totoro. That's the whole point. The genius of the film is that it can still be viewed through the children's perspective, but there's more to it than that.