The blood oaths were taken out of the temple ceremony in 1990 and given this was at least 9 yrs ago and temple matrons are usually pretty old, it's safe to assume the woman did the blood oaths when she did her endowment. She likely knew the answers but refused to share 😢
Prior to me going through the temple, we hear in the church "what goes on in there is sacred, not secret". “Temples are built for the performance of sacred ordinances-not secret, but sacred.” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: David O. McKay [2003], 126). So my first time through, I made "OATHS OF SECRECY" - and I experienced some cognitive dissonance over this, but pushed it down (like I did many other things) until just a few years ago. To say "what goes on in the temple isn't secret, it is sacred" is a complete lie.
I have always disliked that phrase. What happens in the temple are both sacred AND secret--and that is as it should be. Temple Ascension rituals have been kept secret in every age through antiquity. Just because our modern culture loves freedom of information and distrusts secrecy is no reason to pander to them through trite platitudes like "It's not secret!" when it clearly IS (and should remain so).
I went to the temple honestly believing that I'd meet Jesus on the other side of the veil. I thought that this was why my parents and other adults kept going over, and over again. When I got done I felt completely underwhelmed, like "was that all it was?". Now I realize it was all symbolic, just like every other ordinance the LDS church provides. If I want anything from God, then I need to go to him myself. I also realize that any promises I made there were made under duress and false pretense.
If you open the BIBLE to the book of JOHN and sit quietly and ask the Lord Jesus to reveal Himself to you by studying His Word, by the end of the 3rd chapter alone, you will see the Jesus of the Bible is HOLY GOD. But the false-Jesus of Mormonism, is a figment of Smith's imagination and Satan's dirty trick on good, kind people. I hope you find out He is Spirit and you must trust in HIm alone.
@@Azravald MY view, matters none. The LDS view is that THEY must know Jesus Christ and "heavenly father" who is a glorified man living on planet Koleb with a harem of wives making spirit babies that become people. The message of John 17 is that Christ alone redeems us, for nobody does know or CAN know, the Father unless their sin has been redeemed from their slate by His blood sacrified, and works and Mormon Doctrine and Emotionalism, do not get anyone saved... Only Jesus Who must KNOW YOU, will save. Matt 7:21-23
My first experience was that of confusion. I knew the signs and tokens were not scriptural. I knew God didn’t require passwords to get into heaven. I never did come up with a reason for those things being in the endowment. I went and I went and I went and I never did figure it out. Now I am beginning to learn what those things are. The signs are the signs of how in earlier times, the members would mimic how they would die if they revealed the tokens. I’m not sure about the first two tokens but the last two definitely have sinister meanings. I also remember how odd it was that Lucifer was in the temple! That he was instructing/threatening the attendees, and that we all listen to him as “Adam and Eve” when putting on the apron of fig leaves. What in the world. You sit there, and you try to figure out how this is all good and godly because you’ve been trained to believe that it is. Your whole life, you’ve been trained for this moment, yet you’re still blindsided when you go in. You’ve almost no choice but to accept it.
Hi there, Freemason here. The meanings of the tokens and signs are further elaborated in Freemasonry, and they have nothing to do with the penalties of the oaths. I can't go into detail because of my own oaths of secrecy, but you're barking up the wrong tree with that speculation. It's also not correct to assume that tokens and passwords for entering heaven have no historical precendent. Indeed, very similar tokens were passed down through the followers of John the Baptist into Mandaeism, and tokens were used as signs of covenant-making throughout the Classical world. The more you look at actual historical scholarship outside of simply a surface reading of the Bible, the more the LDS temple practices make sense, and you begin to see direct parallels to ancient practices.
My first endowment, I was so disturbed by the washing and anointing (2002, before you were clothed during the ritual) that I didn't even pay attention. I didn't go back for several years after that. I think I went maybe twice between 2002 and 2019. When I started going again in 2019, I still didn't pay attention to what I was saying or doing, I was just enjoying the peace I felt. When I left the church, I took a hard look at the endowment and realized what I was promising.
I’m so sorry you had that experience, of having an unanswered question. My second trip to the temple, my new hubby and I had questions. The temple president invited us in to his office, answered every question, no matter how small and just made us feel good for asking. I wish that could have been your experience.
I only attended the temple once on my mission and it was the day before coming home. My mission president went through with us and upon leaving the celestial room he asked me, "Is there anything that you would like to know about the temple?" I asked how the endowment was initially revealed to JS? He answered, "Just like you and me talking." It struck me that he couldn't draw on any revelation or history about the highest most special ordinance on earth and I thought it strange that nobody knows (aside from workshopping it from a masonic ceremony). We have revelations for other special events. Where's this one? Why does nobody ask?
@terrillmel - Hello. I too had similar questions as you about the history of the endowment, as well as its possible links to Masonry. I talked to my Bishop and also found many of the answers I was seeking in the book "Wilford Woodruff's Witness: The Development of Temple Doctrine" by Jennifer Mackley. It's compiled from over 13,000 pages of journal and diary entries from Wilford Woodruff, the only prophet of the Church who was with Joseph Smith and later Brigham Young as temple doctrine was revealed and clarified, not only for the endowment, but for sealings and proxy baptisms too. The revelations to Joseph, Brigham, and Wilford were not a "one and done" communication from God. More light was given as Temples and the Endowment House were built, and as the prophets themselves and the early saints grew in readiness to receive more light and knowledge. For example, originally men and women would do ordinances for each other. God corrected this practice by revealing that women should do proxy work for women, and men for men. I found the book to be informative. As to my Masonry questions, Wilford mentioned Masonry only 7 times in 13,000 pages of entries, and none were associated with Temple practices. Therefore, I am at peace that any perceived similarities are coincidental, or placed on purpose by Joseph or Brigham and affirmed by God because they served a purpose to teach the symbolism associated with the endowment and temple clothing, or they were revealed by God who held them first anciently before the Masons. If you still have a recommend, return to the Temple and see there have been some adjustments since your mission. Things are explained more clearly, in my opinion, and the endowment has been shortened while the covenants and essentials remain.
Many things from the temple went "beyond" the Masonic similarities. They go back to ancient times in Egypt (and many symbols are even there)! I just got back last year and it was very interesting! (However even beyond Egypt - it went back to the time of Adam)! Again great questions and lot to know! (However there is definitely something too it. The Jews had their temple, and they got it from even before them).
@@micheleh3851 okay. It sounds like a trial and error process perhaps guided by the spirit. However, I don't believe Masonic similarities are coincidental as you say. Joseph joined the Masons just a month before creating the endowment. And they are more than just similarities, many of these most sacred parts are nearly exact in their performance. I still find it strange that our most sacred ordinance required for exaltation was inspired by masonry.
@terrillmel - I said they may have been coincidental and I have made peace with the 3 different options I considered. Also, please consider the adjustments and changes that have "happened" in the Endowment and clothing since the presidency of Joseph up to the presidency today. I certainly believe that if God wanted anything perceived similar to Masonry to be taken out or replaced, President Nelson and other prophets before him would have received that inspiration to make those changes. During President Nelson's leadership, there continue to be significant adjustments to the Endowment content and experience. For things that are holding firm then I am sure the Lord is OK with them not needing adjustments at this time.
I wish my whole family hadn’t been there staring at me and asking me what I thought cuz then maybe I would’ve turned to my parents and asked what the hell had just happened.
My first time through the temple, I also had no clue what was happening. But I liked it. I was excited to finally get some religion that didn't feel like milquetoast Protestantism. I will say that the church needs better Temple Prep. We also should have a temple follow-up class to talk about what happened in more detail. I will say that the whole, "You can't talk about the temple except in the temple" is a myth. It's absolutely not true. There are certain phrases, etc., that we don't discuss in detail, but we can talk about the temple with other endowed members in a secure place for the purpose of instruction. That answer from the Temple Matron was such BS, too. When I went through the first time, the temple president came and found ME afterward and explained a lot of those things to me as best he could. Of course, I've learned a lot more now after years of studying ancient temples and becoming a Freemason. At least in the few places where there is overlap, Freemasonry explains in much clearer detail and contextualizes many of the things that happen in the temple. There was a time when Freemasonry was almost like the Boy Scouts in Mormonism: all the men were members, and it was treated like temple prep, so there was no NEED to explain many of the symbols that we still use today, but lost the meaning of once the Grand Lodge of Utah banned Mormons in the 1800s. Full disclosure, I am still an active LDS, and the temple is one of the primary reasons I stay. Through an in-depth study of the ancient world, one comes to understand exactly what's happening in the temple, the parallels with other ancient religious rites, and sees just how necessary it is. Christianity without temple rituals (like the Christian Mysteries of the first few Centuries AD) is hollow. I encourage Latter-day Saints to broaden their horizons and prepare their children more for the temple so they can feel when they go just how transcendent the experience is meant to be. They're part of an ancient legacy that has been passed down since before writing itself existed. It's beautiful, and I feel so sad for those whose "shelves" were broken by the temple needlessly because of ignorance.
I have a lot of respect for the passion that you're bringing to your faith! I'm exmormon, born LDS and raised LDS. It is not a myth that you cannot talk about the temple outside the temple. It's how the older generation was taught. Even though it is no longer taught that every part must be kept secret does not mean it is a 'myth' or misunderstanding - the teaching was: be absolutely secret or kys.
@@karis3647 That's simply not true. Modern archaeology, biblical studies, and finds like the Nag Hammadi library and the Elephantine Letters prove that what we see in the Bible is not the full story of the ancient Hebrew temples, or of the Christian Mysteries which followed in the first several Centuries AD.
@@emma7694 It is a myth. It may have been a pervasive myth, but that doesn't mean that it was correct. It falls into a similar category as many of the other common "Mormon Myths" explored by scholars like Christopher Blythe.
Hello I just saw this, and Im really "sorry" you had a bad experience inside (with perhaps a somewhat rude person)! Trust me I have had a few of these myselfs along with others I've heard about! (most people inside are good) but it is still no excuse! My brother (who works inside the temple said they are trying to better "instruct" temple workers to not do this kind of thing , in which they are all volunteers). I think the church is doing a better job now, but trust me, all it takes is a few things like that to happen to not to want to go back (unfortunately). Anyway - hope we can all get over those battle scars and not let those situations stop us / get in the way. (Okay take care, and I completely understand)! As would Christ! Okay take care and god bless :)
@@nute742 The tokens are symbols of the blood oaths - older Mormons know what the tokens mean, that is why the matron reacted that way - which is the point of the video. The point of the video is not that the matron was 'rude.' It's also the fact that they were in the endowment in the first place. The lds church would have me believe that God told Joseph Smith to use blood oaths in the endowment so that everyone promises to k*** themselves if they talk about the ceremony. That's kinda messed up - definitely not the type of god I'd worship. Additionally, it's the fact that no one talks about it. They just tell you to sincerely ask God about the tokens and then think to themselves: If God answers you He'll tell you to kys if you tell anyone about the signs and tokens. I don't think it is very difficult to tell why some of us may have a problem with the blood oaths.
My first experience in the temple was, "wow, this is basic stuff that we learn from Genesis." The only people who think it's a cult, are those who thought it was before going in and are religious bigots, looking for EVERY reason to defame religious beliefs. Yes, much of the temple endowment ceremony is goofy and unnecessary, but it's not a cult.
Where were the blood oaths mentioned in Genesis? Any religion that tells you to kys if you tell anyone about a 'goofy' ceremony falls into a cult in my book. Btw NO ONE goes into Mormonism thinking 🤔🧐 wouldn't it be neat if I joined a cult today?! Wake up brah.
I think you can learn a lot about human nature by studying the religions man has created. Most religions put women in a subservient role to men. It's pretty obvious from that that men invented that religion. "Man created God in his own image."
@@cecynay7369 you’re right, I remember Jeremiah 7 condemning the people for believing in the lies of temple worship, and I remember Helaman 6 condemning secret oaths and covenants and secret words.
@@Karli_searches_and_prays I think learning about promises in the temple wouldnt be the same as having "secret oaths" like the gadianton robbers. For everything that God has, the other side has their counterfeit (or parallel teaching). One is to learn about heaven & god (the other to deceive, kill, cheat etc - sorta like how the mafia has their hierarchy of stuff). That is what happened to Cain.
She’s not being destructive. She’s not being rude or calling names or mocking anyone or being disrespectful. She’s simply sharing her experience. Get a grip.
@karis3647 the BITE model is ambiguous enough to apply to any religion if you want it to, or almost anything else, like Disney or Apple products or sports fans.
@Azravald Most religions or belief systems don't dictate what you wear and don't use thought control or emotional manipulation. Cults do. Like the Mormon church.
I think that was the temple president’s wife’s response, because she literally had no idea herself.🤯
The blood oaths were taken out of the temple ceremony in 1990 and given this was at least 9 yrs ago and temple matrons are usually pretty old, it's safe to assume the woman did the blood oaths when she did her endowment. She likely knew the answers but refused to share 😢
Prior to me going through the temple, we hear in the church "what goes on in there is sacred, not secret". “Temples are built for the performance of sacred ordinances-not secret, but sacred.” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: David O. McKay [2003], 126). So my first time through, I made "OATHS OF SECRECY" - and I experienced some cognitive dissonance over this, but pushed it down (like I did many other things) until just a few years ago. To say "what goes on in the temple isn't secret, it is sacred" is a complete lie.
I have always disliked that phrase. What happens in the temple are both sacred AND secret--and that is as it should be. Temple Ascension rituals have been kept secret in every age through antiquity. Just because our modern culture loves freedom of information and distrusts secrecy is no reason to pander to them through trite platitudes like "It's not secret!" when it clearly IS (and should remain so).
Thank you Karli! Thank you for sharing this!
I went to the temple honestly believing that I'd meet Jesus on the other side of the veil. I thought that this was why my parents and other adults kept going over, and over again. When I got done I felt completely underwhelmed, like "was that all it was?". Now I realize it was all symbolic, just like every other ordinance the LDS church provides. If I want anything from God, then I need to go to him myself.
I also realize that any promises I made there were made under duress and false pretense.
Under duress and false pretence? How do?
If you open the BIBLE to the book of JOHN and sit quietly and ask the Lord Jesus to reveal Himself to you by studying His Word, by the end of the 3rd chapter alone, you will see the Jesus of the Bible is HOLY GOD. But the false-Jesus of Mormonism, is a figment of Smith's imagination and Satan's dirty trick on good, kind people. I hope you find out He is Spirit and you must trust in HIm alone.
@@ApatiEktetheimenos I love John! I'm curious what your perspective on John 17:20-23 is?
@@Azravald MY view, matters none. The LDS view is that THEY must know Jesus Christ and "heavenly father" who is a glorified man living on planet Koleb with a harem of wives making spirit babies that become people. The message of John 17 is that Christ alone redeems us, for nobody does know or CAN know, the Father unless their sin has been redeemed from their slate by His blood sacrified, and works and Mormon Doctrine and Emotionalism, do not get anyone saved... Only Jesus Who must KNOW YOU, will save. Matt 7:21-23
@@ApatiEktetheimenos so is verse 21 when is says "That they all may be one", what do you interpret being one to mean?
My first experience was that of confusion. I knew the signs and tokens were not scriptural. I knew God didn’t require passwords to get into heaven. I never did come up with a reason for those things being in the endowment. I went and I went and I went and I never did figure it out.
Now I am beginning to learn what those things are. The signs are the signs of how in earlier times, the members would mimic how they would die if they revealed the tokens. I’m not sure about the first two tokens but the last two definitely have sinister meanings. I also remember how odd it was that Lucifer was in the temple! That he was instructing/threatening the attendees, and that we all listen to him as “Adam and Eve” when putting on the apron of fig leaves. What in the world. You sit there, and you try to figure out how this is all good and godly because you’ve been trained to believe that it is. Your whole life, you’ve been trained for this moment, yet you’re still blindsided when you go in. You’ve almost no choice but to accept it.
@@lisatreelove9278 yes all great points!!
Hi there, Freemason here. The meanings of the tokens and signs are further elaborated in Freemasonry, and they have nothing to do with the penalties of the oaths. I can't go into detail because of my own oaths of secrecy, but you're barking up the wrong tree with that speculation. It's also not correct to assume that tokens and passwords for entering heaven have no historical precendent. Indeed, very similar tokens were passed down through the followers of John the Baptist into Mandaeism, and tokens were used as signs of covenant-making throughout the Classical world. The more you look at actual historical scholarship outside of simply a surface reading of the Bible, the more the LDS temple practices make sense, and you begin to see direct parallels to ancient practices.
My first endowment, I was so disturbed by the washing and anointing (2002, before you were clothed during the ritual) that I didn't even pay attention. I didn't go back for several years after that. I think I went maybe twice between 2002 and 2019. When I started going again in 2019, I still didn't pay attention to what I was saying or doing, I was just enjoying the peace I felt. When I left the church, I took a hard look at the endowment and realized what I was promising.
It’s crazy how much and often it changes for being a “restoration”
I’m so sorry you had that experience, of having an unanswered question. My second trip to the temple, my new hubby and I had questions. The temple president invited us in to his office, answered every question, no matter how small and just made us feel good for asking. I wish that could have been your experience.
I only attended the temple once on my mission and it was the day before coming home. My mission president went through with us and upon leaving the celestial room he asked me, "Is there anything that you would like to know about the temple?" I asked how the endowment was initially revealed to JS? He answered, "Just like you and me talking." It struck me that he couldn't draw on any revelation or history about the highest most special ordinance on earth and I thought it strange that nobody knows (aside from workshopping it from a masonic ceremony). We have revelations for other special events. Where's this one? Why does nobody ask?
@terrillmel - Hello. I too had similar questions as you about the history of the endowment, as well as its possible links to Masonry. I talked to my Bishop and also found many of the answers I was seeking in the book "Wilford Woodruff's Witness: The Development of Temple Doctrine" by Jennifer Mackley. It's compiled from over 13,000 pages of journal and diary entries from Wilford Woodruff, the only prophet of the Church who was with Joseph Smith and later Brigham Young as temple doctrine was revealed and clarified, not only for the endowment, but for sealings and proxy baptisms too. The revelations to Joseph, Brigham, and Wilford were not a "one and done" communication from God. More light was given as Temples and the Endowment House were built, and as the prophets themselves and the early saints grew in readiness to receive more light and knowledge. For example, originally men and women would do ordinances for each other. God corrected this practice by revealing that women should do proxy work for women, and men for men. I found the book to be informative. As to my Masonry questions, Wilford mentioned Masonry only 7 times in 13,000 pages of entries, and none were associated with Temple practices. Therefore, I am at peace that any perceived similarities are coincidental, or placed on purpose by Joseph or Brigham and affirmed by God because they served a purpose to teach the symbolism associated with the endowment and temple clothing, or they were revealed by God who held them first anciently before the Masons. If you still have a recommend, return to the Temple and see there have been some adjustments since your mission. Things are explained more clearly, in my opinion, and the endowment has been shortened while the covenants and essentials remain.
Many things from the temple went "beyond" the Masonic similarities. They go back to ancient times in Egypt (and many symbols are even there)! I just got back last year and it was very interesting! (However even beyond Egypt - it went back to the time of Adam)! Again great questions and lot to know! (However there is definitely something too it. The Jews had their temple, and they got it from even before them).
@@micheleh3851 okay. It sounds like a trial and error process perhaps guided by the spirit. However, I don't believe Masonic similarities are coincidental as you say. Joseph joined the Masons just a month before creating the endowment. And they are more than just similarities, many of these most sacred parts are nearly exact in their performance. I still find it strange that our most sacred ordinance required for exaltation was inspired by masonry.
@terrillmel - I said they may have been coincidental and I have made peace with the 3 different options I considered. Also, please consider the adjustments and changes that have "happened" in the Endowment and clothing since the presidency of Joseph up to the presidency today. I certainly believe that if God wanted anything perceived similar to Masonry to be taken out or replaced, President Nelson and other prophets before him would have received that inspiration to make those changes. During President Nelson's leadership, there continue to be significant adjustments to the Endowment content and experience. For things that are holding firm then I am sure the Lord is OK with them not needing adjustments at this time.
That response from that lady in the temple was horrible.
I took it as her basically saying... "I don't know what the hell the tokens are either. Just shut up and go along with it."
I was freaked out by my first time.
I wish my whole family hadn’t been there staring at me and asking me what I thought cuz then maybe I would’ve turned to my parents and asked what the hell had just happened.
My first time through the temple, I also had no clue what was happening. But I liked it. I was excited to finally get some religion that didn't feel like milquetoast Protestantism. I will say that the church needs better Temple Prep. We also should have a temple follow-up class to talk about what happened in more detail. I will say that the whole, "You can't talk about the temple except in the temple" is a myth. It's absolutely not true. There are certain phrases, etc., that we don't discuss in detail, but we can talk about the temple with other endowed members in a secure place for the purpose of instruction. That answer from the Temple Matron was such BS, too. When I went through the first time, the temple president came and found ME afterward and explained a lot of those things to me as best he could. Of course, I've learned a lot more now after years of studying ancient temples and becoming a Freemason. At least in the few places where there is overlap, Freemasonry explains in much clearer detail and contextualizes many of the things that happen in the temple. There was a time when Freemasonry was almost like the Boy Scouts in Mormonism: all the men were members, and it was treated like temple prep, so there was no NEED to explain many of the symbols that we still use today, but lost the meaning of once the Grand Lodge of Utah banned Mormons in the 1800s.
Full disclosure, I am still an active LDS, and the temple is one of the primary reasons I stay. Through an in-depth study of the ancient world, one comes to understand exactly what's happening in the temple, the parallels with other ancient religious rites, and sees just how necessary it is. Christianity without temple rituals (like the Christian Mysteries of the first few Centuries AD) is hollow. I encourage Latter-day Saints to broaden their horizons and prepare their children more for the temple so they can feel when they go just how transcendent the experience is meant to be. They're part of an ancient legacy that has been passed down since before writing itself existed. It's beautiful, and I feel so sad for those whose "shelves" were broken by the temple needlessly because of ignorance.
@@Aldrnari I suggest you follow my series Ex-Mormon Bible Study, I just released part 1 on temples.
What you do in the temple today didn't happen in biblical times. It's very clearly described in the Bible. There's no room for missing rituals.
I have a lot of respect for the passion that you're bringing to your faith! I'm exmormon, born LDS and raised LDS. It is not a myth that you cannot talk about the temple outside the temple. It's how the older generation was taught. Even though it is no longer taught that every part must be kept secret does not mean it is a 'myth' or misunderstanding - the teaching was: be absolutely secret or kys.
@@karis3647 That's simply not true. Modern archaeology, biblical studies, and finds like the Nag Hammadi library and the Elephantine Letters prove that what we see in the Bible is not the full story of the ancient Hebrew temples, or of the Christian Mysteries which followed in the first several Centuries AD.
@@emma7694 It is a myth. It may have been a pervasive myth, but that doesn't mean that it was correct. It falls into a similar category as many of the other common "Mormon Myths" explored by scholars like Christopher Blythe.
Jesus also said in John 18:20 that he doesn't teach anything in secret
Hello I just saw this, and Im really "sorry" you had a bad experience inside (with perhaps a somewhat rude person)! Trust me I have had a few of these myselfs along with others I've heard about! (most people inside are good) but it is still no excuse! My brother (who works inside the temple said they are trying to better "instruct" temple workers to not do this kind of thing , in which they are all volunteers). I think the church is doing a better job now, but trust me, all it takes is a few things like that to happen to not to want to go back (unfortunately). Anyway - hope we can all get over those battle scars and not let those situations stop us / get in the way. (Okay take care, and I completely understand)! As would Christ! Okay take care and god bless :)
Um I think most of us have problems with the secrecy and blood oaths, not "rude" ppl lmao
@@emma7694 No blood oaths anymore (as part of the ceremony) that was taken out 20+ years ago. (so anyone who is saying that is giving out old info)
@@nute742 The tokens are symbols of the blood oaths - older Mormons know what the tokens mean, that is why the matron reacted that way - which is the point of the video. The point of the video is not that the matron was 'rude.'
It's also the fact that they were in the endowment in the first place. The lds church would have me believe that God told Joseph Smith to use blood oaths in the endowment so that everyone promises to k*** themselves if they talk about the ceremony. That's kinda messed up - definitely not the type of god I'd worship.
Additionally, it's the fact that no one talks about it. They just tell you to sincerely ask God about the tokens and then think to themselves: If God answers you He'll tell you to kys if you tell anyone about the signs and tokens.
I don't think it is very difficult to tell why some of us may have a problem with the blood oaths.
You're extra lucky you didn't go through the pre 1990 ceremony.
I’m old and I still ask him to show me the answers
The Jews will build a "3rd Temple" before Christ 2nd coming (very soon, most likely). It will be interesting to see!
Are you a non-denominational Christian now?
@@I.Prokopto yes! Thank Jesus! 🙏🏻❤️
My first experience in the temple was, "wow, this is basic stuff that we learn from Genesis." The only people who think it's a cult, are those who thought it was before going in and are religious bigots, looking for EVERY reason to defame religious beliefs. Yes, much of the temple endowment ceremony is goofy and unnecessary, but it's not a cult.
Where were the blood oaths mentioned in Genesis? Any religion that tells you to kys if you tell anyone about a 'goofy' ceremony falls into a cult in my book. Btw NO ONE goes into Mormonism thinking 🤔🧐 wouldn't it be neat if I joined a cult today?! Wake up brah.
I absolutely felt it was a cult when I though. The chanting freaked me out. That was very cult like behaviour.
I thought it was just part of the test. God was testing us if we had enough faith to do silly s just because he said so.
I think you can learn a lot about human nature by studying the religions man has created. Most religions put women in a subservient role to men. It's pretty obvious from that that men invented that religion. "Man created God in his own image."
It's all in the Old Testament. Every piece of the standard works, actually.
Which verse? Please specify
@@cecynay7369 you’re right, I remember Jeremiah 7 condemning the people for believing in the lies of temple worship, and I remember Helaman 6 condemning secret oaths and covenants and secret words.
@@Karli_searches_and_praysHelaman?
@@Karli_searches_and_prays I think learning about promises in the temple wouldnt be the same as having "secret oaths" like the gadianton robbers. For everything that God has, the other side has their counterfeit (or parallel teaching). One is to learn about heaven & god (the other to deceive, kill, cheat etc - sorta like how the mafia has their hierarchy of stuff). That is what happened to Cain.
@@KlintonSilvey Helaman is a book in the LDS Book of Mormon, I quote it to point out their own scripture doesn’t support their temple doctrine.
So sad to see a beautiful young woman spending her energy being destructive.
She’s not being destructive. She’s not being rude or calling names or mocking anyone or being disrespectful. She’s simply sharing her experience. Get a grip.
"If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have NOT the truth, it ought to be harmed."--J. Reuben Clark.
Very Culty
The original definition of the word?
Absolutely
(a group with a common set of beliefs and ritual practices)
The pop culture definition?
Not as much...
@@Azravald The bite model fits the Mormon church very well.
@karis3647 the BITE model is ambiguous enough to apply to any religion if you want it to, or almost anything else, like Disney or Apple products or sports fans.
@Azravald Most religions or belief systems don't dictate what you wear and don't use thought control or emotional manipulation. Cults do. Like the Mormon church.
@karis3647 most religions don't dictate what to wear? What planet are you from?
Is it cult lol
Its a cult