NEW SERIES from Grand Design!! 2023 MAV Toy Hauler Travel Trailers • 27MAV Model
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- NEW MODEL & SERIES!! 2023 Grand Design MAV 27MAV Toy Hauler Travel Trailer
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Weights & Measures:
Hitch 1,200 lbs.
Max 10,995 lbs.
Empty 6,835 lbs.
Cargo 4,159 lbs.
Height 12' 2"
Length 32' 3"
Width 8' 4"
Ceiling 7ft
Fresh 96 gal.
Grey 74 gal.
Black 37 gal.
Furnace 35k
A/C 15k
Bed 60x80"
Solar 165w
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00:00 LOL
00:21 RV Overview
02:44 Quick Peek Inside
03:48 Front to the Back
07:12 Back to Front
09:55 Storage & Bed System
12:24 Bathroom
14:05 Bedroom
16:15 Road Mode
16:50 Exterior
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Convection air flyer Portable work awesome.
Yes they do
I like it
Thank you for watching!
I do like the table is window height, but maybe a flip up counter under window. 😁😁😁
Truma!!!
Very cool!! I wish GD would use 30 gallon propane tanks, though. The bedroom is nice and roomy. Love all the windows. Best thing in this rig: that roll up screen door!!!! That is absolutely amazing. Our old bodies need recliners but I'm pretty sure that's about all that would keep this from being a great camper for us.
Bigger LP on this could make sense.. that’s solid input
Thanks Josh, did I miss the part about the generator?
Appreciate the drings. Jiggle-banging a 4 seater UTV could end up badly.
facts!
I need a bigger truck! I love this trailer so much and now I want one. 🤣
😊
#NerdHerd 🎉 🎉 😊
TY so much once again! :)
I've been hunting for a TT Toy Hauler that can fit a legit off road SxS but without the hassle of the beels, whistles aka stuff that breaks. This is essentially the floor plan of our Hideout Full Queen but with the Toy hauler we are looking for to fit our toys and growing family. Thanks for taking the time to make the video
MAV models like this or perhaps Wolf Pack might be some options to consider!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks for replying, and promptly. Which wolf pack as the 27 pack 10 doesn't have the garage size needed.
I would love a after market screen room option for the party deck.
Aftermarket enclosed side vestibule like the MDC's have.
If they are not going to put an oven in camper then put in a convection microwave. Some of us do cook and use an oven while camping. Also if they put in an “easy bake oven” then give us a convection microwave. Otherwise we really like this rig!
👍🏻
Just bought one. Thanks for your review.
Hope you enjoy it!
I'm thinking of making a trip to go look at one, how are you liking it so far? any significant drawbacks or issues?
@Natedoc808 We like it a lot. No issues fits our Polaris Ranger 500 Crew perfect.
Folding bar stools all the way up is dinning hite
I like that!
I would like suggestions for getting light under bunk with ramp closed sitting at benches?
Oh man. That’s something I can’t believe isn’t done more often
Briefly Jayco had led track lighting under there. It was AWESOME. Now nobody does it
my only hard hit is the outside speakers give me a Potabe Bluetooth speaker 10 xs better sound quality that a person can move around and two less leak points on the sidewall
I’m with ya
Add a three-season door and lower the GVRW by 955 lbs (to make it under 10,000 lbs) and it would be just about perfect.
👍🏻 ty
I'm watching for the third time and it is growing on me. The upper bed I would use for my fishing pole/tackle storage .😁😁😁
I appreciate that. I actually walked up to this one thinking I knew what it was. I felt like it was just going to be another gray wolf. But I really took some time to kind of sit in it and digest it. I thought about the bigger body size, the taller ceiling, and things like those awesome tank capacity is and cargo capacity I realize it really wasn’t trying to be someone else. It’s just… a MAV
Had me till no oven and no option for one.
Nice toy hauler. It would be nice if one of these manufactures would put some kind of system in the floor for a motorcycle front tire chock . Condor Motorcycle Chock company makes some great chocks. But like all motorcycle chocks you have to screw them to the floor. That can be difficult cause you don't know what's underneath the floor.
Most of them use a floor that could allow you to mount one where you'd like it. I think the challenge with doing that from the factory is trying to predict "the right place to mount it."
Every person buying an RV seems to have a different idea when it comes to that stuff. People can't even agree on where to mount a toilet paper holder in a bathroom lol
I use two rubber wedge type chocks, one front/rear of front tire and wrap a ratchet strap around them, then just use handlebar soft tie straps to hold 'em in place. Never had a problem. I have a buddy who made an attachment for E-track to the D-Rings and then welded e-track tabs onto a metal wheel chock- I'm no fabricator so I went with my redneck version that I can put anywhere.
It's nice for what it is, but what it is isn't what we want it to be, because what we want it to be is a Reflection 341RDS. Having said that, the intro was absolutely brilliant. Murderhobos need more representation on social media and the RV industry.
Well the good news.. there's already a reflection 341RDS so it doesn't need to be that lol :)
❤ The reviews. keep them coming! A no-slide beast!
Ty!!
That full pull down screen is a lot better than the magnetic shitty hanger type, and is it the camera but the garage doesn't seem too big???
As Always, great presentation brother, thank you!
Shower is bigger than in My single wide mobile
Thanks for the update regarding 3 season doors, I'd have to have those, but I love this model!
Ty Richard
Thank you for talking your shoes off in the bed. I always love your videos. You are great 😊
You bet. Grinds my gears when I see people leave their shoes on someone else’s furniture
When it comes to half ton towable I'm a firm believer in just because you can doesn't mean you should
Yeah I've had MFGs text me after they see my video on their camper and say "so you WOULDN'T recommend a 32ft trailer that weighs 7200lbs for a half ton? Come on man!"
Yeah.. well.. when your GVWR is approaching 10k and someone is going thru elevations or high winds... it's different vs. flatland Michiana.
I had my eye on the jayco 265, but this looks like it suits me much better! Too bad is ~15k more money
yeah the extra size and things like bigger holding tanks add up a bit.
If you live out west, then check out the new 255THW jay flight. might be a good “in betweener”
Thank you for bringing up the 3 seasons garage door is not available. That was something I would want. Also would like a fuel station and generator.
Thankfully the full G-Class momentum travel trailers have those features available
Uncle Josh, what would you do for stairs on the deck?🤔🤔🤔
Pretty sure there are available stairs out there that can work on this one. I'd say "build something" but you asked me what I'd do and I wouldn't trust my body weight on anything I built
@@JoshtheRVNerd You are too self critical
Tires? Make and Size? Thx. Keep up the great vids…
It is not road mode, it is load mode 👍👍👍
I owe you a nickel
@@JoshtheRVNerd As long as you make me laugh and cringe, you owe me nothing.
I owe you several nickels. Recorded a momentum 25G and used your phrase. Pretty sure I gave you credit though :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd I cannot wait. Thnx uncle Josh 👍👍👍
Needs a 3-season door.
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This is awesome!!! It would be nice to have the three seasons door, but definitely NOT a deal breaker. It is damn near the perfect camper!!❤❤❤
That is a deal breaker for us
I really like this trailer and had put it on my "list"...until you said the 3-season doors are unavailable. Bribe the door makers.
After I made this video, I’ve started to see a few creep in to RV the size. So it’s possible somebody did work something out. I’m not sure and haven’t been able to verify what’s available on these since
Did you just say doctor jelly finger? 😮😂
Yeeeeep.
Welp, found my camper if they get Lippert to play ball w the door. Ill build a fold down bar table w stools under the main window, and probly take off the kitchen side couch for lounge chairs.... sold.
Awesome! Glad you like it :)
@Josh the RV Nerd at Bish's RV worth mentioning Uncle J, on grand designs website floorplan for this, they mention having a "60×24 backer for gear+helmet" installed where the overhead storage ISN'T that you mentioned. So, I assume GD expects you to add your own variety of hangly dangly storage galorage up there.
@@wmoscati yeah I was speaking with their factory guy on that yesterday after he saw this video. At the time I recorded these videos their sites information wasn't yet complete so I didn't know about that.
I think some kind of easy-peel sticker or something helping people understand what's under that skin in the wall there would be helpful
@Josh the RV Nerd at Bish's RV Absolutely. Same sticker thereabouts as "tv backer" but "gear." I dig it, cuz not all helmets and such would fit in most overhead cabinets, more leeway for the end consumer. Still need that Lippert door though 😜
I like this one, definitely interested in the 3 season door! Hope GD is watching!
They’re actively trying to get it done
I always get excited for a Grand Design video and I am not disappointed! Great setup, great design (call it grand even) Can't find anything I don't like except I prefer netting rather than a cabinet door over top of the bed, but there should be something.
Awesome ty Don!
cabinet above bed easy fix if you can cut a rectangle out of a board and screw in hinges and simple latch.
I've seen some DIY solutions like that on used RVs before
Max trailer weight should be 75-80% of trucks max towing.
Really like the enclosed wet bay hookup area in the pass through. I wish it had an inverter though...
Where does the generator go? That’s a decent amount of extra weight to throw on the tongue.
Does not have on-board allowances. It's like the step before a true full on toy hauler that way
I love this!!!!!
Yeah I think they did well
Superbe
I like it. I do hate they removed the fireplace from the prototype.
Yeah this this is nearly completely unrecognizable vs. that original prototype. I was kinda shocked
Does anyone know the headroom under the bunk⁉↕
Apologies I do not. Scanned around and have no resource telling me
We don't have these at my home store else I'd have measured it up real quick as a courtesy
This is exactly what I'm looking for. Just wish it was a bit lighter so I could haul it with an F150...thanks Josh!
That's the trick with haulers. Especially one with a monster cargo capacity like that!
I have footage of the 22MAV coming btw
Love that table!!❤
Those are really handy. They're kind of a pain to set up the legs if you're alone but beyond that they're great.
Can Bish’s add a sewer holder tube to any RV we buy from you?
Certainly
I have a 265BH and LOVE it. When ready for a toy hauler this could be a serious contender! I love the similarities between the Transcend and this. Build quality seems great! Once the kids don’t need the bunks anymore I’d give this a serious look
They’re made by the same teams so you can kind of see the family resemblance
No generator option is going to be a problem. I love the layout floor plan . So much cabinet space everywhere. Don’t like the No hen, and No Oven . I can live with no ducted ac vents but it’s a must to have 2 ac units
Thank you for watching!
@@JoshtheRVNerdjosh it’s a pleasure watching your videos. It comes with a lot of knowledge, a lot of Info and a little bit of Funny. Don’t know any rv guy that can top you. Have a great afternoon.
Now, were I to go for one of those with a sofa and murphy bed behind it in the front, I'd have that whole assembly ripped out and replaced with kind of multi-use sofas in the cargo bay to save weight. I mean, they gotta be comfy enough to sit on, and a halfway decent rollup topper would be easy to daytime store, surely..(?)
Very nice - I would like a smaller version thats lighter weight for a mid size truck. Haul bikes, canoe or the dog kennels - don't need a side by side or golf cart.
I think that's were a lot of those 26RR Grey Wolf style campers really fit the bill. I feel like Grand Design was looking to fill a slot that had a little space in it rather than building just their copy of someone else's thing
It's that originality that's always served them well I think
That being said... I also wouldn't like a smaller version of this lol :)
Wait ...what that is a microwave! Out here in the west we call them Bread boxes :D
That’s about all we use them for too
Why are there different MSRP's at your different locations? What is being added to make that price difference? It needs bigger lp tanks. We would upgrade the tires and suspension. Not a bad rig.
Thank you for all you do!
Great question. Shipping costs vary and they're part of that equation
i seen a vid the other day on 12v DC AC units and i was wondering if you knew why they are not used on RVs more. especially on the smaller ones? just a thought/maybe a vid idea. good vid
I do not know for certain but I suspect it's an issue of supply vs market volume. I'm estimating there aren't enough of them to feed the rv industry
I dont have any toys to haul but I kinda like it anyway. A portable table and chairs would make that porch a great tea spot.😮❤
Lot of folks look at the smaller "crossover" style toy haulers that way. It's a nice way to get extra living space without a slide
My wife and I saw the video for this one and the 22 MAV, we like this one over the 22 MAV because it offers outside storage and a walk around bed and closet. Would love to see it offered with the Euro rocker recliners like the ones in the 22 MAV.😃
Thanks for sharing!
I prefer Murder Hobo Action Vehicle
Frankly.. so do I
Thanks for the tour of this new model 😊
My pleasure!
At 18:58 What is the hole? Second at 19:34 is that a black tank flush on the camp side above an outlet?
18:58 I think you’re referring to the hole in the skirt metal. That is a little access point for the crank it makes a spare tire accessible from the belly.
19:34 I’m not sure what you’re seeing, but that couldn’t be a black tank flush on that wall. That wall goes directly into the loading and living space. The Walter not thick enough to offer a black flash to hide within it.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Went to the site, I think 19:34 is Solar Power Inlet. and the hole by propane cooker hooker, I think is the spare tire lowering crank like a truck.
So cute love the screen ❤🇨🇦.also the intro was excellent shame I wouldn’t be able to close the back up ever night and putting everything away where would it go
Oh man that’s sweet. I would very quickly build a collapsible screen roof and walls for the back deck area. But I’m pretty sure it’s way way out of my price range. And if it’s available in Canada
Pretty sure grand design has some canadian dealers... I guess I don't know that for certain and would've just kinda.. assumed
Hello Josh, is 22MAV review coming soon? Thanks 🎉
Yep!
I am looking at this from a whole different perspective. Most people see an RV as what it is. I see it for what it CAN be. I want a couples camper with tall ceilings (6'7" husband) that I can easily make my own. Out comes the fold down seating and in goes the sofa with storage and a recliner and BAM...we have a couples camper! Maybe we could have the indoor furniture be outdoor furniture so that it could serve double duty on the patio even! I absolutely LOVE that the microwave is low. Even though I am tall (5'10") every time I use mine, I fear a mishap when pulling out hot food from my microwave perched above the stove. I don't mind the fact that this does not have an oven. I haven't used mine in at least three years because I find a way to cook EVERYTHING outside so that food odors, heat, and unneeded moisture are not in the camper. The table looks very similar to the one we use now when camping and is truly multi-functional with the varying heights. I like that there is clothing storage at the foot of the bed and not just at the sides as many have. I can certainly see some possibilities for this one even though we don't have ANY toys!😄
That's what is so fun about RVs like this - they're whatever you WANT them to be!
No oven at least offer a convection/micro. For the price they cheap out and give a quad F fans? No genset/fuel station?
Important to remember this isn’t a full Momentum
@@JoshtheRVNerd true
@@slamboy66 curious - with the counter space and outlets available do you think things like toaster ovens/air fryers/etc are functional substitutes for no oven in an RV like this?
Your feedback is always pretty rooted in common sense so I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts
@@JoshtheRVNerd If it will fit a frozen pizza, YES.
Let’s pass 22MAV floorpan to Ember. 😢 perfect off pavement adventure vehicle with truma / solar and no wood no slide
OPAV
Off pavement adventure vehicle 🚗
I'm dieing to see the 22mav! I know you got it there! Hurry lmao. Thanks Josh. You the man
I have footage. It’ll happen
@@JoshtheRVNerd same! id like to see that one
Murder Hobos, YAY! You had me laughing Josh. Great work.
"yay" lol :)
I would totally believe that name, it's catchy.
Hahaah
That has gotta be my favorite intro iv seen you do. Love you vids dude
hahaha TY :)
Definitely would need a front room slider maybe possibly a front bedroom slide
Interesting. TY
I like it a lot. I really need an oven, so, I'd have to create some sort of work-around for that. I don't want a TV in the main living space, so, above the microwave would work for me. I have to be able to bake my pizzas and biscuits.
Plenty of toaster/air fryer solutions out there I think. And enough counter space here to make that work.
Uncle Josh how much is that unit going for
Apologies - I do not know. I don't have pricing files and GD doesn't allow us to publish discounted sale pricing on our website so I have nothing I can reference.
But if you check here www.bishs.com/rv-search?stocknumber=27mav and drop a note to our team on any of those entries, then they can get you discounted price
My wife is short the microwave is in a good spot and we never use our oven
I also like the setup. TY :)
Btw - in my line of work we wouldn't call her short
We'd say she's "Gravity Friendly"
The campside window coverage is fantastic. Many, many things to like about this unit. Any idea on if you can leave a 3” mattress topper on the cargo bunk bed and the struts still support it? Or would need to move the latches down to lock it? 🤔
I’m not sure exactly how much room is above that upper bunk, but the foam topper me squish enough, that it might work
Loved this RV. went to see it in person and was even more impressed. Sadly though, not much room between the bunk bed and the roof. Makes my kiddo a little uncomfy. I'd really like to see you review a 25G. That looks like where we will land. Concerned about floor buckling reports in the 28G.
Hadn’t heard that on the 28G but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening. I can’t stay plugged into EVERY detail naturally. Ty for the heads up
@@JoshtheRVNerd id also love to see a 25G video as well! I love this toy hauler just wish it came with the recliner's too and the 3 season doors as an option
@@taryncuen6239 I think I have one coming
A bit late to the party, but a lot of people prefer tanked water heaters when boondocking for comfort. When you're taking a military shower with most RV tankless water heaters, turning the water back on often results in a blast of cold water (the water in the system between the heater and the shower head that has had a chance to cool down) followed by scalding hot (the water that was sitting in the hot heater) until you get to the water that entered the heater when you started back up. When you don't have the consistent water flow and easy draining of hookups, a water heater with a tank is better at providing consistent temperatures. That said, my old water heater would use close to 10 pounds of propane just to get a tank up to temperature, so you sometimes just have to pick which inconvenience you want to deal with.
Very handy info. Thank you.
Need fireplace, love it, checks all the boxes that I d like in my current toy hauler/trailer
Where do you think would be a good place to fit one?
Only Josh can nearly make you spit out your drink 15 seconds into a video. Murder Hobo action vehicle 😂😂😂😂
Great video as always Josh!
hahaha :)
This doesn't come with those 2 cool chairs that the 22 MAV comes with?
Not that I saw
@JoshtheRVNerd maybe they were missing. They were a nice touch.
Great job and great rv! Understated, capable, enormous, elegant and quality built assured with that Grand Design name. I like that there are no slide outs. Some folks that just want to tour and keep it simple while dragging along their favourite toys can just load up and go. I have been following this channel for a long time now and have been developing my own checklist and wish list and for an old fat bachelor that can see himself with a significant other as well as a bunch of buddies changing from weekend to weekend and if things got real different where a partners kids suddenly needed a place to sleep, THIS could be the best solution to anything that could happen in the next 20 years!
This one has my wheels turning as far as making a dream a reality. It can cover a lot of "what ifs".
Cheers.
TY Pete! I think they did well on these. Heavy build, big tanks, massive CCC... smart execution of the stuff that REALLY matters for this kind of camping
Josh can you please do a review on the Palomino 1910 truck camper. Thanks for all the information.
Possibly. I don't see many truck campers. I'll keep an eye out for them
I would like a flip up breakfast bar and some stools in that open space. That wouldn’t be hard for us to add ourselves.
I like that flip bar idea. Jayco does that in one model
I like your title option better! When are you going to be selling those RV Nerd hats? We need one!
Last I heard we have our first wave of nerdmerch under production!
Wow! ORV level tank sizes.
Cargo is good.
Does anyone sell that back gate as just a patio and not a toy hauler?
Yeah.. those tank sizes *really* shocked me considering this isn't a Momentum G-Class or something like that.
Now, that's a cargo capacity. Maybe they can slap a 2970RL on that frame/suspension.
Yeah I had to do a double take on it. I was like "...am I doing that math right?"
And I was. They're just really beefy for heavy loads that way
And GREAT holding tank capacities
🎉#NerdHerd
Toy hauler's are missing the opportunity of ditching the cargo area and making the outside into a deck with a normal inside layout.
I agree with this.....someone build it and take my money
I'm not opposed to the idea
agreed! huge market for this
13:09 hey uncle Josh, what’s your opinion on those retractable shower doors? Do they hold up fairly well? Thanks again for the fan flipping tastic videos. !!!!!😅
I lack personal experience with them and don't feel qualified to offer insights as a result
Wonder if there’s a link for that gap panel that keeps dogs and kids from trying to jump off the patio at that gap between the door opening and the rails?
I haven't been able to find anything I'm afraid
Their webite 360 view of this trailer shows it having a slide but it dosent actually have one. Thats so misleading. Put a slide on it and a 3 season door and Im a buyer.
Out of curiosity I just checked that 360. It accurately shows this one as no slide. I'm wondering if perhaps you bumped into a G-Class Momentum vs. a Mav?
@@JoshtheRVNerd nope i just went to the site again. Clicked the toy hauler link then clicked explore button for the mav. Then spun the 360 around on the page and it clearly shows a closed slide. I can send you a screen shot.
@@scottfowler5417 please do because I'm not seeing anything like that on my end..
MAX STORAGE!!! Seriously struggling to find camping gear and kids toys to fill the extra space! Also this bunk system is WAY better than the motorized version. Thanks for keeping it real NERD!!!
Always a pleasure!
Loving the adult sized drop down bunk over the dinette/sofas. It doesn't take up space like a traditional bunkhouse, you don't have to convert the dinette/sofa and lug out all of the bedding each night, and it easily lifts up out of the way during the day. Too bad this concept hasn't made it into traditional travel trailers for lazy people like me who want something smallish, simple, and sleeps several people without the fuss. It would be cool to have rear living space with wrap around windows and drop down bunk (as seen in this toy hauler) but without the tie downs, tacky metal legs on the sofas/dinette, and open back patio for the gas station murder hobo to come snatch your kids.
Are 3 season patio doors an option?
They are not. I discuss that during the exterior portion of the video if you'd like more information.
It doesn't have a oven or a tv
Correct
I’m not impressed with cargo space and it wouldn’t fit canam rr model or and pro r from rzr which imo are the two leading cars out. Unfortunately, The sxs keep getting bigger. Majority of my friends either own atc trailers now or having custom trailers built by well known horse trailer companies like Logan trailers. It’s Super frustrating as I’d like more of Rv feel to my toyhauler the cargo trailer.
That’s the catch 22
Hard to get nice living space and big toy space until you’re in those 45ft behemoths
Can am rs will fit in side
To quote the eminent Dr. "Bones" McCoy..."Dammit Josh, I'm a doctor, not a proctologist!!!" ( that's from 1 of the episodes)...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣....I'm pretty sure ya know "Unka" Josh that the Doc is in the house...and right near the begining of the video, I had a question pop into my tiny cluttered mind....you point out that there is NO oven and NO option for one, but with all of the modular kitchen appliances out in the uni'sphere , you can purchase a very good size and capable counter top/table top "Toaster" oven/air fryer for less than $300 cdn from any big box store or on Amazon, so it would seem that it almost makes a built in oven redundant , so IMHO, and fully wanting and respecting yours, is a built in needed?...especially if you add a more useful solar package...like 6-800 watts...lmao....then you can run away to the ocean or lake side, and hide away from ...ewwwww...people, and the gas station murder hobos what are out thar lookin' for y'all....anyway, just a wonderin'....peace out Nerd Herd, from Doc, in the Great White( kinda green now) North of southern Ontario, Canada🍁🍁🍁
I 100% agree regarding appliances. You'll see a lot of comments on this video where people mention disliking the lack of oven. I've learned in my years of doing this a large number of viewers or potential buyers really walk in with specific expectations - often shaped based on what they expect to be in a "kitchen" based on a house.
But an RV is not a house necessarily and kind of like a hotel room doesn't always need to be equipped the same. Everyone feels differently about that, though.
I did some reading on different aspects of the human imagination and found there's actually two kind of people in this regard -- those who can picture things that aren't there or can literally mentally imagine something that isn't there. And those who can only see exactly what is.
And they're not usually aware of the other's existence so they get very confused by one another.
Love it but the lack of the 3 season door is a deal breaker for me. Other than that I think GD nailed it!! Hope they make the change in the very near future.
GD is trying to get the doors. It's just the fact there's no supplier for them right now.