Man that kit sounds so great. Lets also not downplay the importance of the ROOM. A good drum kit, tuned well, in a good sounding room with a good drummer like Blair is MAGIC.
Just a suggestion about how to keep the mics from getting hit when the lights dim, put a small piece of reflective tape on the joint where the body and the windscreen meet. It has saved many a mic in clubs! And its easily purchased at any office supply!
So cool hearing the different approaches from a live touring perspective versus a recording perspective.. I have been alive Sound Engineer and and done hundreds and hundreds of shows over 10,000 seats. And I also on a commercial recording studio. My approaches to making the kick drum are completely different in each environment. And I really like what the FOH engineer was saying about the other instruments on the kid being his enemy, because that’s exactly the way I approach it. One thing to note when trying to isolate symbol bleed from tom mics is the way that a sound wave emanates from the symbols allows you to move the microphone closer to the symbol, but looking at the drum and you can isolate the bleed from the brass more like getting closer to it, because the soundwave has not had the time to disperse yet. This improves your isolation. Most people think it’s the reverse of that. I am really loving the series
So cool, good job! One thing that wasn't mentioned in this video was that the tom mic bleed sound was really good one. I think that is what truly makes these mics stand out from the traditional options like 421´s (thou these battle in the Josephson category). Need.
I CAN NOT wait for the kick drum mic to drop (idk if that’s being worked on) but I am extra happy to buy a set of Tom mics. Really excited to see what the snom sounds like
a thing i noticed is that, if the tom gets bigger, and all tom mics have the same position, like all pointing towords the middle of the drumhead, you will loose some tonality, because of the size difference. you kinda hear it, at 09:39, the moment he changed from the 2. rack to the 1. floor tom. I solved that "problem" by getting the mic a little bit closer to the drumhead, or angle it a touch steeper, towords the rim. so the sound gets more coherent. and BTW. your stuff sounds amazing
@@andygreen5565 Dude, get a Clarion for the kick too. I know its pricier, but I use it on every record I make. World class drummers listen to the playback and lose their shit asking what signal chain I used. I didn't, its raw. Kick, mic, and a great preamp.
@@andygreen5565 Awesome. Lauten might be the only current company where you can mic an entire kit with only their mics and still get absolute top tier 10/10 commercial quality drums. I've got an insane mic locker with the best of the best mics ever made, and Lauten shits all over them. They're that good.
These sound phenomenal. Out of curiosity, do you know if there was any processing done (comp, EQ, etc.) or are these the mics w/o any outboard or plugins? Edit: just read the description. Wow. Super cool!
Hey cats: becoming a big fan of Lauren mics, I’ve gone for the Snare Mic and the LS-308, both of which are giving gorgeous results. Now looking at Tom mic, which I’m assuming is similar to the LS-308 but in a smaller form-factor?
Thanks so much for being part of the family!! Tom Mic is a totally different design from the 308 designed solely for use on toms. It’s going to sound more polished straight out of the box and pairs amazingly with 308 on bottom Tom!
i cant believe it takes all these people to get an utterly unremarkable drum sound in a multi million dollar studio on a legendary console...., just an observation
IKR. And these mics have a 100% to 400% mark up over the Audix D2's D4's, EV ND-44's & 46, sE;s & Sure 57's . I might still buy a Snare & Tom mic just to see what the fuss is all about😛 . Wait till I tell my old lady I just spent $800 bucks on 2 mic's lol (I'm not even an Audio engineer) 😂🤣😂
did they track into Pro Tools/the analog to digital converters too hot? Kind of looks like it at 20:29 For raw drum tracks without equalization/compression, these sound perfectly fine.
Do you understand that this is done to get different perspectives between a live sound perspective and a creative studio creation perspective? They are demoing the microphones. This is not a tutorial on just how to get a good drum sound in a world class studio. It’s a demonstration of new drum microphones. The company that owns this UA-cam channel is Lawton Audio, and they are the manufacturer of the microphones being used. Maybe you missed that part
We do it ourselves. There are no staged scenes, clapper boards, storyboards, or scripts. We just tell Darrell, Sully and Blair, go do your thing, and we'll capture it.
Bottom micing the toms is a little bit overkill in my opinion. When you hit a drum, the heads will quickly start ‘agreeing’ on a frequency to vibrate in, otherwise you’d hear two distinct pitches when hitting a drum. So I don’t think there’s much merit to the idea that it’d have more low end. At most it will have a less defined attack, because the hit is more spread out by the time the impulse has traveled to the bottom head. But it makes sense that a mic company that just has brought out a tom mic is putting out this idea of bottom micing them lol😜
Lauten is not the first to introduce mic'ing the bottom heads, engineers have been doing this long before this mic came along. 🙃 you know what they say about opinions 😂 lol
+1 this comment. Thank you for pointing out this physics principle. At best, having a bottom tom mic may give you the ability to balance resonance versus stick attack without using EQ at the expense of extra channels, but I agree it doesn't provide more "low end." At worst, more mics = more phase issues.
Would love to see a shoot out with these and the Josephson e22s. I have been looking for an excuse to move the two I own off of tom duty, but cannot find a mic that can even come close to what they give me on toms. Could this be the one!?
@@LautenAudio Thank you for your help, these tom mics sound amazing on top and bottom I was about to buy the new earthworks drum kit but I am buying these instead the sound quality just is absolutely amazing! I see why Grammy winners are using them! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
So how do these compare to the 308s? I bought 6 just a couple of months ago for drum mics along with the snare mic, and they sound amazing, but I'd be a little bummed if these are better.
Thanks for being part of the family!! They are very different microphones with totally different technology and sound. Tom Mic is purpose built in every way for toms only. But that doesn’t negate how awesome the 308 are. If you decided to add Tom Mic to your arsenal, you could always move your 308s to bottom toms. Turns out it sounds ridiculous! Go watch The Black Album drum kit video we just uploaded today to hear it.
Thanks so much for the kind words. Half of the battle is great playing, so do the best you can with what you have. There's no shame in that. We hope if the budget allows one day, you get to try our mics. In the interim, keep rocking!
Snare Mic is similar to the 208, but is not just a smaller version of it. The two are quite different. Tom Mic has no relationship with the 308 and is entirely reimagined in terms of sonics. Hope this helps!
If you are talking about the toms being top and bottom-miked, this is to capture more low-end extension, just like an outside kick mic. I hope this helps!
@@LautenAudio Yes, I understand. But with the first microphone, the XLR connection is on the top, while with the others it's on the bottom. Is there a specific reason for this?
@@svenburgin7603 oh, you mean in relation to the stand. Someone probably threw it on and didn't realize it and left it that way. No impact on the sound.
We do it for the feeling of using these beautiful tools to create music. If we are lucky enought to have hundreds of millions of listens.. well that is the extra reward.
![DRUMS: A Recording Experience With Darrell Thorp And Joey Waronker At Studio 606 [Lauten Audio]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/GEfL7JSG4jI/mqdefault.jpg)
![DRUMS: A Recording Experience With Darrell Thorp And Joey Waronker At Studio 606 [Lauten Audio]](/img/tr.png)
Just put out the “Kick Mic” already! We know you’ve got it ready to go 😏
😂
Stick an LS-308 inside the kick! I have one and I want to try it soon!
This has become my favorite UA-cam channel, I could listen to these gorgeous drum tones and technical conversations all day 🥰
That's amazing. We are so glad you enjoy it!
Same
Ditto 👍
Man that kit sounds so great. Lets also not downplay the importance of the ROOM. A good drum kit, tuned well, in a good sounding room with a good drummer like Blair is MAGIC.
Agreed on all fronts! We also have audio from the ISO booth in the downloadable sessions 😄
Sounds great! And shoutout to Albini, who has been micing the bottom of toms for eons!
🙏😢
Albini rip
Just a suggestion about how to keep the mics from getting hit when the lights dim, put a small piece of reflective tape on the joint where the body and the windscreen meet. It has saved many a mic in clubs! And its easily purchased at any office supply!
Great tip!
Blair is the man!
So cool hearing the different approaches from a live touring perspective versus a recording perspective.. I have been alive Sound Engineer and and done hundreds and hundreds of shows over 10,000 seats. And I also on a commercial recording studio. My approaches to making the kick drum are completely different in each environment. And I really like what the FOH engineer was saying about the other instruments on the kid being his enemy, because that’s exactly the way I approach it. One thing to note when trying to isolate symbol bleed from tom mics is the way that a sound wave emanates from the symbols allows you to move the microphone closer to the symbol, but looking at the drum and you can isolate the bleed from the brass more like getting closer to it, because the soundwave has not had the time to disperse yet. This improves your isolation. Most people think it’s the reverse of that. I am really loving the series
Fun to see the bottom heads starting to get mic'd after just watching the Black Album video where all the tom bottoms were mic'd
Yea, there's no going back after hearing those 🤣
Just bought some based on the video! Looking forward to it.
We hope you love them!
Wonderful mics, the tone, everything.
We are so glad you like it!
So cool, good job! One thing that wasn't mentioned in this video was that the tom mic bleed sound was really good one. I think that is what truly makes these mics stand out from the traditional options like 421´s (thou these battle in the Josephson category). Need.
Lauten did it again! Well done!
🙏❤️❤️
insane tones btw
I CAN NOT wait for the kick drum mic to drop (idk if that’s being worked on) but I am extra happy to buy a set of Tom mics. Really excited to see what the snom sounds like
Love this videos and microphones!!!!
a thing i noticed is that, if the tom gets bigger, and all tom mics have the same position, like all pointing towords the middle of the drumhead, you will loose some tonality, because of the size difference. you kinda hear it, at 09:39, the moment he changed from the 2. rack to the 1. floor tom. I solved that "problem" by getting the mic a little bit closer to the drumhead, or angle it a touch steeper, towords the rim. so the sound gets more coherent.
and BTW. your stuff sounds amazing
That is definitely another way of doing it! And thank you so much!
Can’t wait to get some these mics. Have a pair of LA-220 V2’s and they’re amazing!!!
We hope you love them! Thanks for being part of the family!
@@LautenAudioProud to be a part. Can’t wait to see what the future holds.
@@andygreen5565 Dude, get a Clarion for the kick too. I know its pricier, but I use it on every record I make. World class drummers listen to the playback and lose their shit asking what signal chain I used. I didn't, its raw. Kick, mic, and a great preamp.
@@legacyShredder1 I am. My goal is to have their whole range honestly. I’m saving for The Snare Mic right now.
@@andygreen5565 Awesome. Lauten might be the only current company where you can mic an entire kit with only their mics and still get absolute top tier 10/10 commercial quality drums.
I've got an insane mic locker with the best of the best mics ever made, and Lauten shits all over them. They're that good.
I love micing tom bottoms! Its almost impossible to go back after
This was a new wrinkle, even for us. No going back, indeed.
I do it sometime, meh
Holy cow that IS in FACT a GORGEOUS DW kit... and I'm not at all into DW.
These sound phenomenal. Out of curiosity, do you know if there was any processing done (comp, EQ, etc.) or are these the mics w/o any outboard or plugins?
Edit: just read the description. Wow. Super cool!
These are straight into the board, flat 😄
Hey cats: becoming a big fan of Lauren mics, I’ve gone for the Snare Mic and the LS-308, both of which are giving gorgeous results. Now looking at Tom mic, which I’m assuming is similar to the LS-308 but in a smaller form-factor?
Thanks so much for being part of the family!! Tom Mic is a totally different design from the 308 designed solely for use on toms. It’s going to sound more polished straight out of the box and pairs amazingly with 308 on bottom Tom!
i cant believe it takes all these people to get an utterly unremarkable drum sound in a multi million dollar studio on a legendary console...., just an observation
IKR. And these mics have a 100% to 400% mark up over the Audix D2's D4's, EV ND-44's & 46, sE;s & Sure 57's . I might still buy a Snare & Tom mic just to see what the fuss is all about😛 . Wait till I tell my old lady I just spent $800 bucks on 2 mic's lol (I'm not even an Audio engineer) 😂🤣😂
did they track into Pro Tools/the analog to digital converters too hot? Kind of looks like it at 20:29
For raw drum tracks without equalization/compression, these sound perfectly fine.
Do you understand that this is done to get different perspectives between a live sound perspective and a creative studio creation perspective? They are demoing the microphones. This is not a tutorial on just how to get a good drum sound in a world class studio. It’s a demonstration of new drum microphones. The company that owns this UA-cam channel is Lawton Audio, and they are the manufacturer of the microphones being used. Maybe you missed that part
@@nicefish10 maybe u missed the part where the drums sound bad? If they sound great people will buy what they’re selling
Yeah I was also surprised seeing all the comments about how good the drums sounded. Thought it sounded pretty bad.
Would love to hear you all do something with a focusrite and in a home for folks like me. Lol
I'm glad that there's this alternative to the "other L-shaped condenser mic that's favored for tom-toms..."
Great sounds!! Darrell is known for using Soundradix Auto-Align on drums. Did he use it on those sessions?
I'm going to guess he did. It's a go-to for him
absolutely terrific video! great sounds and engineering! if i can ask, who was the video production company that put this all together? thanks
We do it ourselves. There are no staged scenes, clapper boards, storyboards, or scripts. We just tell Darrell, Sully and Blair, go do your thing, and we'll capture it.
What he said ☝
Bottom micing the toms is a little bit overkill in my opinion. When you hit a drum, the heads will quickly start ‘agreeing’ on a frequency to vibrate in, otherwise you’d hear two distinct pitches when hitting a drum. So I don’t think there’s much merit to the idea that it’d have more low end. At most it will have a less defined attack, because the hit is more spread out by the time the impulse has traveled to the bottom head. But it makes sense that a mic company that just has brought out a tom mic is putting out this idea of bottom micing them lol😜
Lauten is not the first to introduce mic'ing the bottom heads, engineers have been doing this long before this mic came along. 🙃 you know what they say about opinions 😂 lol
+1 this comment. Thank you for pointing out this physics principle. At best, having a bottom tom mic may give you the ability to balance resonance versus stick attack without using EQ at the expense of extra channels, but I agree it doesn't provide more "low end." At worst, more mics = more phase issues.
Would love to see a shoot out with these and the Josephson e22s. I have been looking for an excuse to move the two I own off of tom duty, but cannot find a mic that can even come close to what they give me on toms. Could this be the one!?
The E22 is killer! It's a 16mm capsule, so the sound is quite different from Tom Mic. You should grab a pair and check them out.
wow exelent channelll
🙏
I need to demo these time mics for my Front Of House
Do it!!
What other mics were you using on the rest of the kit including bass,snare overheads and room mics!
@@MatthewBarelick you can download all of the info and session files here:
www.lautenaudio.com/tom-mic-in-use
@@LautenAudio Thank you for your help, these tom mics sound amazing on top and bottom I was about to buy the new earthworks drum kit but I am buying these instead the sound quality just is absolutely amazing! I see why Grammy winners are using them! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
So how do these compare to the 308s? I bought 6 just a couple of months ago for drum mics along with the snare mic, and they sound amazing, but I'd be a little bummed if these are better.
Thanks for being part of the family!! They are very different microphones with totally different technology and sound. Tom Mic is purpose built in every way for toms only. But that doesn’t negate how awesome the 308 are. If you decided to add Tom Mic to your arsenal, you could always move your 308s to bottom toms. Turns out it sounds ridiculous! Go watch The Black Album drum kit video we just uploaded today to hear it.
These mics are craaazy! Not for my 1$ budget though🥲 awesome sound❤
Thanks so much for the kind words. Half of the battle is great playing, so do the best you can with what you have. There's no shame in that. We hope if the budget allows one day, you get to try our mics. In the interim, keep rocking!
Fuck yeah Blair!
We agree!
I currently own the LS208 and 308 - are the snare and tom mics same build just in smaller bodies? Or different internals?
Snare Mic is similar to the 208, but is not just a smaller version of it. The two are quite different. Tom Mic has no relationship with the 308 and is entirely reimagined in terms of sonics. Hope this helps!
@@LautenAudio so I should also buy these 👌🏽 . Also have your Atlanta's - incredible. Go-to for vocals.
I wonder about the Shure 91 right on the floor
Artist talkback. Not in use for the video
Could you share the cymbals specifications? Thanks
They are all Istanbul, but I'll see if we can get that list.
Cymbals are all @istanbulagop: 15" Mantra Hats, 22" Matra Ride, 19" 30th Anniversary Crash on left, 18" 30th Anniversary Crash on right.
@@BlairSinta thanks so much 🙏🏻🤘🏻
Nice, i owned the snare mic. But why is the microphone on the first tom mounted upside down?
If you are talking about the toms being top and bottom-miked, this is to capture more low-end extension, just like an outside kick mic. I hope this helps!
@@LautenAudio Yes, I understand. But with the first microphone, the XLR connection is on the top, while with the others it's on the bottom. Is there a specific reason for this?
@@svenburgin7603 oh, you mean in relation to the stand. Someone probably threw it on and didn't realize it and left it that way. No impact on the sound.
Now I see it. At first glance, it looked like the microphone was turned.
@@svenburgin7603 It just got spun around in the mount, which is why it looks that way.
You already probably know why I am here.
Same
Here goes my wallet 🥵🥵🥵
😅
So funny how much money and expertise is in this recording, meanwhile a song made by a teenager in a bedroom gets hundreds of millions of listens.
Two things can be true at the same time 😃
A hit is a hit, does not matter if you sing it into an iPhone!
We do it for the feeling of using these beautiful tools to create music. If we are lucky enought to have hundreds of millions of listens.. well that is the extra reward.
Techs who actually know how this shit works get paid crumbs, just like the musicians.
Nah, my drummer ain’t getting a mic for a Tom that’s worth more than my vocal mic 🎤 🤪
😂
Sounds awesome!! BUT it seems too big for live situation!! 😢
They've been on tour with Foo Fighters for months 😁
Yep sounds like drums.... lol
'I would have them farther away'. Moves mics closer...
they were way over the toms, moved them back over the rim (further away) but down closer (lower). You cant tell from the camera angle