e of the kids who also climbed in this video, i can say i never feel safer then when im with kate, she knows exactly what she is doing no matter what anyone says cause of her 10 years of experience and preety much completed her scrambles in north wales book, the conditions were perfect, if we didn’t think it was safe we wouldn’t have done it
In my opinion, as one of the kids in this climb i can confirm i felt extremely safe. There was no wind or rain, best visibility u could possibly get and my mum had done these routes multiple times in winter conditions. She knows both of our abilitys and has been mountaneering for over a decade and knows what she is doing and when it is appropriate to use ropes. And at the end of the day, its only a grade 3 🤷♂️
Good on you, you sound like your head is screwed on well. The video shows you've the right attitude and not just being reckless for instagram photos (like I have seen much older people doing!) Looks a great day.
as one of the kids who also climbed in this video, i can say i never feel safer then when im with kate, she knows exactly what she is doing no matter what anyone says cause of her 10 years of experience and preety much completed her scrambles in north wales book, the conditions were perfect, if we didn’t think it was safe we wouldn’t have done it
@@joshscootsuk9715 Well said Lads. Make your own choices and ignore the trolls, it's a superb route age plays little part in safety on it. I regularly solo this at age 60 and one day I'll stop - but when I choose to, not when others tell me too.
Hey. Thanks for the video. Most of the points you mentioned are also useful in guiding situations with less experienced older climbers. Sums it all up pretty good.
@@frankwilliams5766 No matter the grade, if a rock comes loose, you trip over something or if you loose balance - which can happen to anyone - you are going to have a hard time stopping yourself.
What a fantastic experience to share with your son and his friend. I've mountaineered for years, although I've only taken up rock climbing in the last year(I love it), I'm enjoying passing on my love of the outdoors to my autistic 10 year old ... he's really enjoying our stuff(which is great as a skint single dad as its cheap too). Watching this has given me a new aim to train him for. Thankyou😊
100% depends on the child. If you have sensible kids that have built up their ability and confidence properly, and know how to escape if you need to, then it doesn't seem bad at all.
Adolescents will gravitate to danger, I'd prefer for them to experience it in the safety of my care and supervision. Mountain climbing develops a more rounded and wholesome individual with their head screwed on which is more than I can say for many adolescents
Free soloing is not the greatest idea, especially with backpacks. Just my grain of salt. Just climb with a rope or go for hikes instead of putting yourselves in danger.
Really cool video. I have a 6yo and 8yo and though this type of thing is beyond them and my own comfort levels for now, it's an inspirational video to show you can bring up teenagers to have their heads screwed on, respect their environment, know their limits.. and end up with incredible experiences. Well done.
Thank you so much. Wishing you the best of luck with your own journey. Just like everything it's about small steps. There's some amazing grade 1 to 2+ scrambles in the area too
Clearly a fantastic experience for those boys and a hell of a lot better for their personal development than sitting in a basement playing video games. I can see why you called that free soloing (I probably wouldn’t have clicked if you’d called It unprotected scrambling) but I that’s honestly the kind of terrain where most people wouldn’t consider a belay . Still a little risky but not like face climbing. I’m not being a pedant. I’m just saying, it’s class 3. If a hold breaks, or you misstep or even if you take a short fall, it’s not necessarily fatal or even serious
Hey Paul, I think this is a refreshing perspective here. Someone did fall on here a few years back if I recall but there are 3 points of contact throughout and it is line you said a grade 3 in my scrambling book
@@kadadventuresyeah i live in in New York State in the US and our Adirondacks have a lot of terrain like this. You’re not gonna fall because of an accident. You’re going to fall because of a mistake. Unfortunately people make those mistakes on occasion because they are over confident, lack respect for the terrain, or are just trying to get a selfie.
God these comments are absurd. Are you never going to do anything slightly dangerous with your kids? Take them surfing (drown). Driving (crash). Hike (mountain lion/bear attack). Walk around a downtown area (gang shooting). Watch a sad movie (suicide). Damn! Can't do shit I guess. Also...these are 14 year olds. Not exactly toddlers, folks.
Thanks so much for this perspective. I agree. I measured the risk based on a route I know well, the climbers ability and the weather conditions. We actually bailed out of cniefeon arete in March even with consideration of ropes as it was slippery. People are very quick to judge sometimes
Where do you get your statistics about falls on free solo being highly likely? That would be based on surely everyone free soloing providing data and would be based on climber experience and level climbing too?
@KAT adventures Do you check your videos before posting. In this one the music at many points overcomes your voice. On many other your videos is even worse.
Hey Robert, I do but they're not perfect. Thanks for pointing this out. I kind of use the channel just to inspire others, I'm not getting anything else out of it and you tube algorithm doesn't promote my content either. Need to focus on the full time job I have that actually pays the bills 😉
Under no conditions is free soloing ok to encourage for children to try. Idgaf if they have the skills and grips of Adam Ondra and the mental of Alex Honnold. They are too young to risk their lives. I really dont care if you free solo as an adult. I admire the skills and the mental capabilities of those who do. But you should be an adult before you gamble with your life. I know you can say that your child also has a risk of drowning when in a swimming pool or tripping on a sidewalk and onto the street under the wheels of a vehicule. Its clearly not the same though. I can't with good concience accept the idea of promoting free soloing at all. Not to mention - for kids. I can very easily imagine myself as a 14 year old watching this and taking your authority as enough justification for me to free solo. Especially cause I didnt even care wether or not I got hurt or killed. Or at least it wouldnt come to my mind. I could maybe swallow the video was it not for the obnoxious music in the background making it obvious how light your approach is to this. And I know, Ive read the comments. And, again, I dont care if your kids are the second incarnation of Mark- Andre Leclerk. Teach them safety. Soloing is a vice. A vice that kills 90% of those that attempt it. And yeah, it can feel amazing, but so can any other vice. And there's a reason why we dont allow kids to drink, smoke, take drugs, get tatoos or gamble at a young age. Their brains arent formed enough to make an informed decision about their safety not to mention - what they want. Who tf knows what they want when they're a kid really? And its okay to experiment with experiences but it should always be safe if it's a child.
Thank you for taking the time to write. I can see and appreciate your perspective. I did make a follow up video in response to comments ua-cam.com/video/8-TNAlnW5RA/v-deo.htmlsi=HfQL9Eff1yLlT2EL This is a diff climb or grade 3 scramble. I feel I layed out my considerations of safety quite clearly in the video you commented on. Whether you want to accept this, the truth is that kids this age ARE experimenting with alcohol and drugs. They are sensible lads able to make their own choices and I beleive that if we raise our kids to self reflect, they have every capacity to make decisions for themselves. I think I have highlighted the dangers in my video. The kids I know and climb with know their limits amd express them which I respect.
Nothing wrong with it if done properly. 3rd grade scrambling without rope is a normal thing in the mountains and usually also done with kids. Normally you bring a backup rope anyway if shit hits the fan. They only have to be old enough to be aware of the danger.
@@oleyholmes1989I think I address some key points and considerations in my reflection video ua-cam.com/video/8-TNAlnW5RA/v-deo.htmlsi=9vnmLBMOm8tDbV3V
'How to take your kids free soloing' Hmm I wonder what the comment section will be like 😅 .. maybe this is just good trolling? I don't have the knowledge to comment on the specifics of this video, so I can't assess the risk lvl. On a more general note I think people should accept that other people choose an apparent higher level of risk in their lives. Perhaps they believe that a 'low risk' culture/lifestyle is actually high risk in that it might make you less capable mentally and physically, less capable of handling danger, hardships and stress, less daring when need be etc. lowering your likelyhoood of success, happiness ..
Thank you for this insight. We are not all the same. I really feel that life is for living and the sports I do I am so present in the moment, for me, it enhances my life. I don't force my kids to follow in my footsteps, they have dipped in and out of many sports as they see fit. For them to want to enjoy the mountain like I do, I don't pass judgement on but will always do all I can to keep them safe.
What bothers me the most is that you are filming and vlogging a not paying full attention to your kids while you are guiding. free soloing with your kids seems questionable at best, but put the camera away and focus on the climb.
You can be the best climber in the world, the best free soloist even. But you can never control nature. Stay safe
Yes. Totally
e of the kids who also climbed in this video, i can say i never feel safer then when im with kate, she knows exactly what she is doing no matter what anyone says cause of her 10 years of experience and preety much completed her scrambles in north wales book, the conditions were perfect, if we didn’t think it was safe we wouldn’t have done it
Ah thanks Josh. Appreciate you writing in 🙂
In my opinion, as one of the kids in this climb i can confirm i felt extremely safe. There was no wind or rain, best visibility u could possibly get and my mum had done these routes multiple times in winter conditions. She knows both of our abilitys and has been mountaneering for over a decade and knows what she is doing and when it is appropriate to use ropes. And at the end of the day, its only a grade 3 🤷♂️
Good on you, you sound like your head is screwed on well. The video shows you've the right attitude and not just being reckless for instagram photos (like I have seen much older people doing!) Looks a great day.
as one of the kids who also climbed in this video, i can say i never feel safer then when im with kate, she knows exactly what she is doing no matter what anyone says cause of her 10 years of experience and preety much completed her scrambles in north wales book, the conditions were perfect, if we didn’t think it was safe we wouldn’t have done it
@@joshscootsuk9715 Well said Lads. Make your own choices and ignore the trolls, it's a superb route age plays little part in safety on it. I regularly solo this at age 60 and one day I'll stop - but when I choose to, not when others tell me too.
@@TG-pd3ftI love this comment! 100% ❤
Hey. Thanks for the video. Most of the points you mentioned are also useful in guiding situations with less experienced older climbers. Sums it all up pretty good.
Ah thank you 😊 and thanks for watching
My good friend, a 7c climber, died soloing a 4a when a rock came loose. You have no clue what you are talking about.
Orry to hear about your friend.
That's a big statement
Ok but...this isn't even 4a? It is 2 or 2+ at the crux. This is a scramble.
@@frankwilliams5766 No matter the grade, if a rock comes loose, you trip over something or if you loose balance - which can happen to anyone - you are going to have a hard time stopping yourself.
okay well nothing bad happend so what’s the issue?
What a fantastic experience to share with your son and his friend.
I've mountaineered for years, although I've only taken up rock climbing in the last year(I love it), I'm enjoying passing on my love of the outdoors to my autistic 10 year old ... he's really enjoying our stuff(which is great as a skint single dad as its cheap too). Watching this has given me a new aim to train him for. Thankyou😊
Ah that's amazing!!! What an exciting journey you have ahead of you. Rock climbing is an awesome sport 👌 I hope to hear more about your journey
In my opinion extremely irresponsible to bring an adolescent soloing.
100% depends on the child. If you have sensible kids that have built up their ability and confidence properly, and know how to escape if you need to, then it doesn't seem bad at all.
Adolescents will gravitate to danger, I'd prefer for them to experience it in the safety of my care and supervision. Mountain climbing develops a more rounded and wholesome individual with their head screwed on which is more than I can say for many adolescents
Free soloing is not the greatest idea, especially with backpacks. Just my grain of salt. Just climb with a rope or go for hikes instead of putting yourselves in danger.
how cute
Really cool video. I have a 6yo and 8yo and though this type of thing is beyond them and my own comfort levels for now, it's an inspirational video to show you can bring up teenagers to have their heads screwed on, respect their environment, know their limits.. and end up with incredible experiences. Well done.
Thank you so much. Wishing you the best of luck with your own journey. Just like everything it's about small steps. There's some amazing grade 1 to 2+ scrambles in the area too
Clearly a fantastic experience for those boys and a hell of a lot better for their personal development than sitting in a basement playing video games.
I can see why you called that free soloing (I probably wouldn’t have clicked if you’d called
It unprotected scrambling) but I that’s honestly the kind of terrain where most people wouldn’t consider a belay . Still a little risky but not like face climbing. I’m not being a pedant. I’m just saying, it’s class 3. If a hold breaks, or you misstep or even if you take a short fall, it’s not necessarily fatal or even serious
Hey Paul, I think this is a refreshing perspective here. Someone did fall on here a few years back if I recall but there are 3 points of contact throughout and it is line you said a grade 3 in my scrambling book
@@kadadventuresyeah i live in in New York State in the US and our Adirondacks have a lot of terrain like this. You’re not gonna fall because of an accident. You’re going to fall because of a mistake. Unfortunately people make those mistakes on occasion because they are over confident, lack respect for the terrain, or are just trying to get a selfie.
God these comments are absurd. Are you never going to do anything slightly dangerous with your kids? Take them surfing (drown). Driving (crash). Hike (mountain lion/bear attack). Walk around a downtown area (gang shooting). Watch a sad movie (suicide). Damn! Can't do shit I guess. Also...these are 14 year olds. Not exactly toddlers, folks.
@@oleyholmes1989 In YDS this is 5.1-5.3 at the CRUX (which is at the start, by the way). Have you ever climbed a tree?
Thanks so much for this perspective. I agree. I measured the risk based on a route I know well, the climbers ability and the weather conditions. We actually bailed out of cniefeon arete in March even with consideration of ropes as it was slippery. People are very quick to judge sometimes
Where do you get your statistics about falls on free solo being highly likely? That would be based on surely everyone free soloing providing data and would be based on climber experience and level climbing too?
Quite right Frank
@KAT adventures Do you check your videos before posting. In this one the music at many points overcomes your voice. On many other your videos is even worse.
Hey Robert, I do but they're not perfect. Thanks for pointing this out. I kind of use the channel just to inspire others, I'm not getting anything else out of it and you tube algorithm doesn't promote my content either. Need to focus on the full time job I have that actually pays the bills 😉
Under no conditions is free soloing ok to encourage for children to try. Idgaf if they have the skills and grips of Adam Ondra and the mental of Alex Honnold. They are too young to risk their lives. I really dont care if you free solo as an adult. I admire the skills and the mental capabilities of those who do. But you should be an adult before you gamble with your life.
I know you can say that your child also has a risk of drowning when in a swimming pool or tripping on a sidewalk and onto the street under the wheels of a vehicule. Its clearly not the same though.
I can't with good concience accept the idea of promoting free soloing at all. Not to mention - for kids. I can very easily imagine myself as a 14 year old watching this and taking your authority as enough justification for me to free solo. Especially cause I didnt even care wether or not I got hurt or killed. Or at least it wouldnt come to my mind.
I could maybe swallow the video was it not for the obnoxious music in the background making it obvious how light your approach is to this. And I know, Ive read the comments. And, again, I dont care if your kids are the second incarnation of Mark- Andre Leclerk. Teach them safety. Soloing is a vice. A vice that kills 90% of those that attempt it. And yeah, it can feel amazing, but so can any other vice. And there's a reason why we dont allow kids to drink, smoke, take drugs, get tatoos or gamble at a young age. Their brains arent formed enough to make an informed decision about their safety not to mention - what they want. Who tf knows what they want when they're a kid really? And its okay to experiment with experiences but it should always be safe if it's a child.
Thank you for taking the time to write. I can see and appreciate your perspective. I did make a follow up video in response to comments ua-cam.com/video/8-TNAlnW5RA/v-deo.htmlsi=HfQL9Eff1yLlT2EL
This is a diff climb or grade 3 scramble. I feel I layed out my considerations of safety quite clearly in the video you commented on.
Whether you want to accept this, the truth is that kids this age ARE experimenting with alcohol and drugs. They are sensible lads able to make their own choices and I beleive that if we raise our kids to self reflect, they have every capacity to make decisions for themselves.
I think I have highlighted the dangers in my video. The kids I know and climb with know their limits amd express them which I respect.
disappointed, no myths debunked, just an horribly irresponsible thing to teach your kids.....
Why do you think that?
oh yeah really irresponsible to teach kids how to live there life, have a great time w there friends and enjoy nature, so irresponsible kate!
Nothing wrong with it if done properly. 3rd grade scrambling without rope is a normal thing in the mountains and usually also done with kids. Normally you bring a backup rope anyway if shit hits the fan. They only have to be old enough to be aware of the danger.
@@oleyholmes1989what do you mean 'without pro'?
@@oleyholmes1989I think I address some key points and considerations in my reflection video ua-cam.com/video/8-TNAlnW5RA/v-deo.htmlsi=9vnmLBMOm8tDbV3V
Here's my comments on everyone's input so far ua-cam.com/video/8-TNAlnW5RA/v-deo.htmlsi=Ffjc73oHhN47s2Kh
'How to take your kids free soloing' Hmm I wonder what the comment section will be like 😅 .. maybe this is just good trolling? I don't have the knowledge to comment on the specifics of this video, so I can't assess the risk lvl. On a more general note I think people should accept that other people choose an apparent higher level of risk in their lives. Perhaps they believe that a 'low risk' culture/lifestyle is actually high risk in that it might make you less capable mentally and physically, less capable of handling danger, hardships and stress, less daring when need be etc. lowering your likelyhoood of success, happiness ..
True, but it take a certain type of irresponsibility to do that with minors. Might as well give them a 500cc motorbike.
Thank you for this insight. We are not all the same. I really feel that life is for living and the sports I do I am so present in the moment, for me, it enhances my life. I don't force my kids to follow in my footsteps, they have dipped in and out of many sports as they see fit. For them to want to enjoy the mountain like I do, I don't pass judgement on but will always do all I can to keep them safe.
What bothers me the most is that you are filming and vlogging a not paying full attention to your kids while you are guiding. free soloing with your kids seems questionable at best, but put the camera away and focus on the climb.
I'm not a guide, I'm a mum. I've talked through and modelled the moves before filming. Not sure what more I can do from above anyway?
May as well lose the helmet
You know, I have never found one that fits. I genuinely wish I could.
Helmet is there to protect from stuff falling from above more than anything else..