Totally agreed,,,Alliance is the most disciplined team I've seen in the scene EVER. All the players know what they have to do, EternalEnvy's teaching paying off big time...
Loda played PA in another game in the same tournament, against Orange I believe (it might have been against iG or DK as well, those are the matches I watched). Under the right circumstances she is a good carry, and as you saw it was an effective pick :)
enigmas is a channeled which makes It really weak, then also magnus provides buff for carry, also enigma needs farm, so you would have to devote him to jungle or group him with someone so hee doesn't die... then you still need a decent solo mid... enigma is not a good support, his utility is weaker, and his initiation can be countered. where is he exactly stronger?
Because RP goes off in an instant... making it far more reliable as a stun when compared to a channeling ability like what enigma has. Also, empower improves your late game significantly by buffing your carry... Also, if magnus gets enough farm, he can semi carry way better than enimga..
Bear pick up "ok LGD still has this, it's gonna be alright" Batrider "uhh ok it's 50/50 just don't give them wisp..." Wisp pickup "alliance wins..." :(
ive watched many games since the patch he is still one of the most picked his picking ddecreased by a tiny bit that's all still easily one of the most picked
Chinese have dominated dota's competitive scene for ever since dota was created Alliance better keep it going cuz i want to see for the 1st time, the westerns dominating dota's competitive scene for 5 years ahead or so please continue to play this well.
not really, he didn't call him ignorant, he said his statement was. regardless that you don't get the joke, there is no need to call people idiots, especially considering the "USA USA.." bit was in the video he assumably just saw.
I think Lumi was favoring IG to bag this tourney unfortunately they got lost in their own draft and selected heroes they were not comfortable to play with (e.g. CK wisp combo EU style).
*SPOILER!* What was really impressive was how many times their opponents tried to smoke gank. 4-5 times during the finals and no pickoffs? That's like crazy!
Though I agree with the lone druid part of your statement, I must disagree on S4 being the best solo mid player in the world. If you watched competitive Dota 2 over the past year you must have noticed that Mushi almost never loses his lane and performs unrealistically well in the mid and late game,
Whats with that US[A] US[A] US[A] at 15:27? 1. That is pretty embarrasing overall 2. Alliance is swedish and I don't know about what you got told but USA=/= all west
But I think we both agree: Alliance's team game is unmatched. It's like the old "Miracle" phrase goes: "I'm not looking for the best players. I'm looking for the right players."
That moment when I saw xiao8 tapping out in game 1 even as their first tier 3 was going down I knew LGD had no chance whatsoever in this series. They had already resigned.
Well played Alliance, Well played... the special thing for me at this grand finals is that they beat what it seemed to be the best team in the world in terms of execution and drafting (my opinion)... it seemed that lgd were the only team that could contest them, and Alliance destroyed them once gain Anyway Congratz you deserve it
Please do not think about my comment reply as an offense,but Dendi crushed S4 at TI3. However, I find Alliance by far the best team in the world for various reasons. For instance, almost perfect team fight execution,by far the best resource exploitation, excellent drafting and strategies etc...
The "USA" chant for Alliance started during one of the G1 games in twitch chat, where everybody spammed "US[A}" as a joke. They're not stupid Americans claiming credit for a Swedish team, they know better. It's a joke that Lumi even referenced a few times in the G1 series. For those of us who watched the game live and now watch it again on VOD we get it. US[A]! US[A]! :)
fkn.. best dota2 team in universe. They have best carry, best solo side lane player, top level mid solo. They never over extend, never stop farming(its surprising how often pro teams do those stupid things and ruin their game). Text book dota I want to say.
Alliance at this moment it CLEARLY superior to every other team of dota 2. If they keep this amazing play they could be TI3 champions w/o losing. All we can hope is the others team catch up with them on skill level to have a more balanced and fun competition, because if it stays like now they r going to stomp the TI3.
but yeah if the banned lone, wisp both times it would have been easier chen wouldn't be that effective because they would just pick enchantress like you saw them doing
He probably just used that S4 said the chinese is better and will going to be better after this suprise they got from Alliance, but didn't mention much about the suprisre or Alliance. Mentioning that S4 thinks chinese is better. Something like that maybe. :P
Don't get me wrong, Loda plays great, but having watched both players for a very long time -- even recently -- I can say with confidence that Xboct is a better player than Lota overall. However, that doesn't mean that Xboct makes as good of decisions. The primary difference is that Xboct tries to go for the big play, and that often results in him overextending (a big mistake for a safe lane carry). Loda, on the other hand, just does what he is supposed to do, resulting in more consistent play.
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Producers didn't RIG that show game, that's just being stupid on your part. The Western Team wasn't even in their seats for some odd reason, and China is pretty strict when it comes to stuff like that. That said, I don't disagree with you on the rest of it. Alliance tore up shop, and dominated every Chinese team. If the Chinese teams were saving some strats for TI3, they'd better hope that those strats are good enough, because, even with them, I think Alliance runs roughshod.
I say damn man you have a lot of issues. Don't think a lot man it is just a game and enjoy it. If there's one thing that the tourney has proven its the fact that the level of gap between Chinese teams, premiere EU teams and some SEA teams its not actually that far unlike a year ago in the TI 2.ATM, Alliance is the best Dota 2 team perhaps with a slight advantage (well coordinated, commits minimal mistakes and great individual players). This would make the TI 3 more enticing to watch.
its just so funny that now there are so many people saying that no one was talking shit about western teams, Alliance and Liquid got so flamed before this tourney begins. chinese fan boys where are you?
I didn't trash anyone, lol. I mean, if you believe that Akke is better than Kuroky or Vanskorp, that's your opinion. My point, which your so put off by, is that Alliance's team game is far superior to their individual play, and it's why they are the best team in DOTA. I don't know how that can be construed as trashing, but to each his own.
They thumbed you down because you have no idea what your talking about. S4 just beat every mid in china, who were able to beat dendi mid. Bulldog isn't just good with lone druid, hes the best, and he's great with other heros as well. Loda has a near god like status in china for a reason, he made 0 mistakes in these last two games. Akke got chen banned repeatedly against alliance yet no one banned it out vs any other team. EGM is the only player I wouldn't say is in the top 3 for their roles.
Sigh, Alliance homers thumb down my comment, even though it was accurate. I like Alliance more than any other team out there, and I've already called for an Alliance vs. iG finals in TI3 (assuming iG figures out what they are doing wrong). However, don't thumbs a comment down just because it states the obvious. You can be objective while supporting a team. If you're not, then you're just a fanboy.
you missunderstood everything i said. I didnt say in any moment that enigma was a good iniciator. Just exactly the opposite. Most of the times you dont expect the enigma to iniciate. Thats why you should not expect the magnus to do it. The aoe in RP is very low, and if it catchs less than 3 heroes is often not enought, Funny thing is, my comment has lots of haters, however the "pros" almost never pick magnus nowdays. Just proving my point
Looking back LGD probably didn't know enough about Alliance's play style. Gyro is quite annoying on Lone Druid because of flak cannon and middle barrage.
this time it was arrogance... LGD.cn is one of my favorite team but they got way to ahead of themselves thinking alliance will just lose 2-0 and seriously need to rethink that bs
LOL obviously your not following Dota 2 scene they are saying that like in TI2 where in Navi vs IG was happening OBVIOUSLY they know they are not from USA BUT its a KAPPA kind of thing!
lol people calm down about that US[A].. its just the way the twitch chat cheering Alliance or any team thats getting ahead(I'm not sure how this start but I think its from the trolls). people are not dumb, of course they know that Alliance are sweds. its just the way people cheer. well I guess you guys never really watch live streams on the tournaments.
I am sry, as much as i like Alliance and Loda, Loda is by far NOT the best carry, period. Bulldog has come an amazing way and can probably be considered at least top3 offlaner atm, but saying s4 is only top level while those 2 are best (in their respective area) is pretty harsh. And the fact that you leave out Akke and EGM (who was a trial member for qpad lolz xD) who both played amazing in g1 is also määh. else i agree
![Alliance vs DK (G-1 LAN Finals) [OMG STRAT]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/w8hYPw12a2I/mqdefault.jpg)
![Alliance vs DK (G-1 LAN Finals) [OMG STRAT]](/img/tr.png)
I'm confused here. So Alliance is used to be called no tidehunter is it?
Totally agreed,,,Alliance is the most disciplined team I've seen in the scene EVER.
All the players know what they have to do, EternalEnvy's teaching paying off big time...
Feels pretty good being swedish when you're seeing this.
Did you watch TI3?
Loda played PA in another game in the same tournament, against Orange I believe (it might have been against iG or DK as well, those are the matches I watched). Under the right circumstances she is a good carry, and as you saw it was an effective pick :)
Do Alliance have a facebook page?
Why ban Chen over Bat and Wisp?
My god Alliance have to be considerer a serious Champions aspirant for Ti13 this year will be a great tournament
enigmas is a channeled which makes It really weak, then also magnus provides buff for carry, also enigma needs farm, so you would have to devote him to jungle or group him with someone so hee doesn't die... then you still need a decent solo mid... enigma is not a good support, his utility is weaker, and his initiation can be countered. where is he exactly stronger?
Why are the Group Pictures of Chinese Teams very Formal?? Unlike Alliance's . . . . \m/
Because RP goes off in an instant... making it far more reliable as a stun when compared to a channeling ability like what enigma has.
Also, empower improves your late game significantly by buffing your carry...
Also, if magnus gets enough farm, he can semi carry way better than enimga..
Bear pick up "ok LGD still has this, it's gonna be alright"
Batrider "uhh ok it's 50/50 just don't give them wisp..."
Wisp pickup "alliance wins..." :(
ive watched many games since the patch he is still one of the most picked his picking ddecreased by a tiny bit that's all still easily one of the most picked
Chinese have dominated dota's competitive scene for ever since dota was created
Alliance better keep it going cuz i want to see for the 1st time, the westerns dominating dota's competitive scene for 5 years ahead or so please continue to play this well.
not really, he didn't call him ignorant, he said his statement was.
regardless that you don't get the joke, there is no need to call people idiots, especially considering the "USA USA.." bit was in the video he assumably just saw.
did they just played with ai?
16:57 This is why Admiral Bulldog is the best Lone Druid in the world.
I think Lumi was favoring IG to bag this tourney unfortunately they got lost in their own draft and selected heroes they were not comfortable to play with (e.g. CK wisp combo EU style).
*SPOILER!*
What was really impressive was how many times their opponents tried to smoke gank. 4-5 times during the finals and no pickoffs? That's like crazy!
really looking forward to TI3!! cant wait!
Ah I see, haven't been following the team rosters recently I guess!!
Thanks
Though I agree with the lone druid part of your statement, I must disagree on S4 being the best solo mid player in the world. If you watched competitive Dota 2 over the past year you must have noticed that Mushi almost never loses his lane and performs unrealistically well in the mid and late game,
I'll give him amazing credit for that relocate save on loda, it was beautiful. But he hasn't wowed me much.
Whats with that US[A] US[A] US[A] at 15:27?
1. That is pretty embarrasing overall
2. Alliance is swedish and I don't know about what you got told but USA=/= all west
But I think we both agree: Alliance's team game is unmatched. It's like the old "Miracle" phrase goes:
"I'm not looking for the best players. I'm looking for the right players."
16:55 for Admiral bulldog dodging sven stun with ult
That moment when I saw xiao8 tapping out in game 1 even as their first tier 3 was going down I knew LGD had no chance whatsoever in this series. They had already resigned.
Lumi, do you even lift?
Well played Alliance, Well played... the special thing for me at this grand finals is that they beat what it seemed to be the best team in the world in terms of execution and drafting (my opinion)... it seemed that lgd were the only team that could contest them, and Alliance destroyed them once gain
Anyway Congratz you deserve it
Bold prediction.... How can they possibly do worse?
Please do not think about my comment reply as an offense,but Dendi crushed S4 at TI3. However, I find Alliance by far the best team in the world for various reasons. For instance, almost perfect team fight execution,by far the best resource exploitation, excellent drafting and strategies etc...
The "USA" chant for Alliance started during one of the G1 games in twitch chat, where everybody spammed "US[A}" as a joke. They're not stupid Americans claiming credit for a Swedish team, they know better. It's a joke that Lumi even referenced a few times in the G1 series. For those of us who watched the game live and now watch it again on VOD we get it. US[A]! US[A]! :)
wow alliance made IG and LDG look like novices, really amazing dota right there
Buldog and S4 nailed on both games
epic good play by Alliance
can't be beggars and choosers -lumi
@ 21:50
love all your odd phrases and pronunciations lumi!
They'll be in top 5 , but I do not think that they will win. I'm an Alliance fan too but "No team is invincible" - iG.Zhou
I don't remember LGD int winning G-1 undefeated or did I miss a year or two.
I.E. your point is invalid
fkn.. best dota2 team in universe.
They have best carry, best solo side lane player, top level mid solo.
They never over extend, never stop farming(its surprising how often pro teams do those stupid things and ruin their game).
Text book dota I want to say.
Picks 1:18
Game 9:09
Alliance at this moment it CLEARLY superior to every other team of dota 2. If they keep this amazing play they could be TI3 champions w/o losing. All we can hope is the others team catch up with them on skill level to have a more balanced and fun competition, because if it stays like now they r going to stomp the TI3.
Sylar looks like a fucking bad ass from a jackie chan or Bruce lee movie, he would make a good actor.
AM i the only one impress by EGM @ 27:45? how the hell did he guess Loda was gonna get gank? Next LEVEL DOTA!
True man, i just cant wait for TI3, im waiting for the rematch lgd vs [A] and also lgd.int vs [A] TI3 will be so fucking awesome
i honestly thought lgd would have won, their line up was really strong, fortunately alliance's map awareness is so good. i love alliance :D
39:56 the announcer was like "Ei-kay-kay-Eeh" and Akke was like "I dare you to say that again"
to what seems to be the trend with magnus initiation is that he is used at counter initiation BAAM RP GG
The level after the next level
dark seer ignored?
Great games from a total n00b these were fun to watch.
not sure if they "will", but they should for sure :)
but yeah if the banned lone, wisp both times it would have been easier chen wouldn't be that effective because they would just pick enchantress like you saw them doing
He probably just used that S4 said the chinese is better and will going to be better after this suprise they got from Alliance, but didn't mention much about the suprisre or Alliance. Mentioning that S4 thinks chinese is better.
Something like that maybe. :P
Don't get me wrong, Loda plays great, but having watched both players for a very long time -- even recently -- I can say with confidence that Xboct is a better player than Lota overall. However, that doesn't mean that Xboct makes as good of decisions. The primary difference is that Xboct tries to go for the big play, and that often results in him overextending (a big mistake for a safe lane carry). Loda, on the other hand, just does what he is supposed to do, resulting in more consistent play.
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It actually worked.
Hey...where is eternal envy????
Producers didn't RIG that show game, that's just being stupid on your part. The Western Team wasn't even in their seats for some odd reason, and China is pretty strict when it comes to stuff like that.
That said, I don't disagree with you on the rest of it. Alliance tore up shop, and dominated every Chinese team. If the Chinese teams were saving some strats for TI3, they'd better hope that those strats are good enough, because, even with them, I think Alliance runs roughshod.
38:26 Loda showing some love
He got kicked out of No Tidehunter and joined Kaipi. No Tidehunter is now sponsored by Alliance.
I say damn man you have a lot of issues. Don't think a lot man it is just a game and enjoy it. If there's one thing that the tourney has proven its the fact that the level of gap between Chinese teams, premiere EU teams and some SEA teams its not actually that far unlike a year ago in the TI 2.ATM, Alliance is the best Dota 2 team perhaps with a slight advantage (well coordinated, commits minimal mistakes and great individual players). This would make the TI 3 more enticing to watch.
As I said, Xboct doesn't always make the best decisions. Loda plays much more consistent, even if his overall ability isn't as good as Xboct.
he said sweden at the end of the match, after the GG call
its just so funny that now there are so many people saying that no one was talking shit about western teams, Alliance and Liquid got so flamed before this tourney begins. chinese fan boys where are you?
Nope. Almost never. Not even banned either. Random pop ups in the Eastern scene, all but dissapeared from the Western scene(except Alliance)
I didn't trash anyone, lol. I mean, if you believe that Akke is better than Kuroky or Vanskorp, that's your opinion. My point, which your so put off by, is that Alliance's team game is far superior to their individual play, and it's why they are the best team in DOTA.
I don't know how that can be construed as trashing, but to each his own.
They thumbed you down because you have no idea what your talking about. S4 just beat every mid in china, who were able to beat dendi mid. Bulldog isn't just good with lone druid, hes the best, and he's great with other heros as well. Loda has a near god like status in china for a reason, he made 0 mistakes in these last two games. Akke got chen banned repeatedly against alliance yet no one banned it out vs any other team. EGM is the only player I wouldn't say is in the top 3 for their roles.
its hard to tell in comments :P well good to hear that XD
Just because LGD int failed doesnt mean [A] would fail u know?
Its absurd to think that way bro.
Seems like you really know alot, thanks for the lesson. O_o
Sigh, Alliance homers thumb down my comment, even though it was accurate. I like Alliance more than any other team out there, and I've already called for an Alliance vs. iG finals in TI3 (assuming iG figures out what they are doing wrong). However, don't thumbs a comment down just because it states the obvious.
You can be objective while supporting a team. If you're not, then you're just a fanboy.
Holy shit when s4 goes into that gank at 22:22 he leaves an "S" on the ground.
Magnus is almost never picked/banned anymore, dunnow what Dota you are watching.
48:20 Aui thinking: fuck how we gonna compete against them at TI3
you missunderstood everything i said. I didnt say in any moment that enigma was a good iniciator. Just exactly the opposite. Most of the times you dont expect the enigma to iniciate. Thats why you should not expect the magnus to do it. The aoe in RP is very low, and if it catchs less than 3 heroes is often not enought, Funny thing is, my comment has lots of haters, however the "pros" almost never pick magnus nowdays. Just proving my point
Congrats to [A]. loda reclaimed his crown.
LGD let 5 dangerous heros through such a huge huge mistake.
Why not add your own picture to your profile before calling others ugly? O_o
Okay, sir.
well, Alliance have the BEST LONE DRUID PLAYER IN THE WORLD... and the BEST SOLO MID PLAYER... they have nothing to lose, men.
LGD says they're going to 2-0 Alliance, then gives them Lone Druid, Wisp and Batrider. Kappa style.
who the hell had the clever idea of solo laning a gyrocopter against a lone druid with an enchantress support???????
Looking back LGD probably didn't know enough about Alliance's play style. Gyro is quite annoying on Lone Druid because of flak cannon and middle barrage.
this time it was arrogance... LGD.cn is one of my favorite team but they got way to ahead of themselves thinking alliance will just lose 2-0 and seriously need to rethink that bs
LOL obviously your not following Dota 2 scene they are saying that like in TI2 where in Navi vs IG was happening OBVIOUSLY they know they are not from USA BUT its a KAPPA kind of thing!
loda was so shy XD when all ends, nice guy
it IS the start of a new dawn...Navi can move aside
pre ti 3 predictions?
not sure.. i think ig will do better than this
lol people calm down about that US[A].. its just the way the twitch chat cheering Alliance or any team thats getting ahead(I'm not sure how this start but I think its from the trolls). people are not dumb, of course they know that Alliance are sweds. its just the way people cheer. well I guess you guys never really watch live streams on the tournaments.
Because of Akke. That's why.
need to go back to the 3 ban before picks.
Omg.. Loda and Bulldog are luckiest players. Thats why they constantly go LD and PA. The luck heroes are for them.
Where Alliance goes US[A] follows
I am sry, as much as i like Alliance and Loda, Loda is by far NOT the best carry, period. Bulldog has come an amazing way and can probably be considered at least top3 offlaner atm, but saying s4 is only top level while those 2 are best (in their respective area) is pretty harsh. And the fact that you leave out Akke and EGM (who was a trial member for qpad lolz xD) who both played amazing in g1 is also määh. else i agree
haha aui at the end was just staring at his computer which im guessing had the chinese girls still on it, Thinking with the right head mate
38:40 That woman taking the trophey: AIN'T NO SWEDISH TEAM GETTING THIS! I'M OUT OF HERE!
Bat rider and Lone druid, good luck with that.
the amount of truth in this comment, dear god!
So disappointed that loda didnt pick up the sven
best support with akke
"i imagine germans do that, everyone would be like: oh nazis ..." That escalated quickly!
47:23 guy on the right side so creepy
MANHANDLED!