ADVANCED LANING TIPS : Holding & Slow Building Waves - How I Climbed Through Challenger
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Also me: *still can't last hit/cs properly*
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Hey KhoraTV welcome to another video
Your tethering video totally changed the way I approach micro in lane, and it's actually insane how much control it gives you, even in giga-losing matchups. Never stop, you beautiful human.
Your content is getting better and better. With each video shows more depth, competency, visual, and auditory explanation. We definitely appreciate your effort; We all see it! Continue your climb in the youtube ladder! (youtube needs it)
Thank you brother, this really means a lot
One unique thing I find about you is that you understand how important examples are. A lot of teachers I've had have always been like "theory is more important because it gives a more fundamental understanding bla bla bla". But you integrate examples into the theory in very smooth and flowing way, which makes it easy to understand what's going on, and how to identify it, as well as what it can or should look like. It's great, and tons of people appreciate it, I'm sure I can say that.
Best Midlane Coach At the Moment👏👏 I really Learned A lot from your Videos😊👌👍
Thanks Marc!
Im curious. How far have u climbed since u found coach and how much do u attribute to him?
This is my favourite video on your channel coach and I rewatched it 3 times now.
ur deeply wrong curtis
nothing is sexyier than a good wave management
but small micro is hot when you perfect bait + juke abilities
hahaha, well I guess I was wrong
I think a lot of people found it boring, for me this is beautiful tho
Puppet Master it’s not how small your micro is, it’s how you use it
@@SkittleBombs henlo my micro is recessed into my loins, how pray tell me do I use it.
The most important thing I learned from you Coach Curtis , is to do every single thing for a reason .
Im a strategist dude by nature, I like to do everything based on information I have and on variables that exist but Ive always had a problem to applicate that on the game . I watched your videos without being specific to things I actually need and I started to adopt that analytical skill that you have. Once you start making decisions based on information (vision - matchups - team compositions etc) you will start to love the game . Thanks so much and keep up the amazing work
Everything must have intention, league is an information based game, the more information we can process, the better quality decisions we will make. !
You dont need to have amazing reflexes neither high level mechanics to win . You just need to use the right information in the right way and you will be able to counter and manage players that have those high skills . Information is a skill and a weapon in itself .
Okay so I've tried to internalize all this and apply it to my own gameplay over the past 5 days and holy shit, coach. Feel like my game just leveled up. +1 awesome content 👏
No problem at all Ryan :) Thanks for giving it a go
Oh wow I want more videos like this. I feel like those small details are the difference between a challenger and a master. This type of content is so hard to find for free so I'm really grateful for what you are doing. But i personally don't recommend low elo players to focus on these stuff but rather focus on the fundamentals and macro since they are more effective to climb
My pleasure man, and you are spot on, not the best for a low elo player to focus on
@3:05 all of this info is sexy things! Lol
Coach Curtis, I am absorbing all this information so that I can climb from my low silver rank up to a higher rank and am trying to do it in the mid lane thanks to your guide.
My brother is a platinum jungle and his birthday is coming up, do you do coachings for other roles, ive told him about your content and would love to surprise him with a coaching session with you! 🤞
Check out Nathan Mott he is a really good coach for junglers and is a good friend of Curtis😉
I believe I replied to your DM :)
@@CoachCurtis yes! I am actually watching his content right now! I think he is gonna love this guy! 🥰
Just about to hit level 30 and I’m excited to jump into ranked. Found your videos the other day and they’ve been super helpful as an ahri main. Thanks for making these! Easy to tell you put in a ton of effort
I'm sorry in advance for the league of legends community. Good luck!
/mute all is your friend bro !!!
will vorce ha, I’ve already muted the enemy team. We’ll see if I end up muting my teammates or not. I play other competitive games and I generally don’t tilt. Maybe league will finally be the game to break me lol
why would you do this to yourself tho
hey bro, turn off the chat even for your team, pings are sufficient
and dont play ranked yet, as a lvl 30 youll need more knowledge or youll fuck your placements and end up in bronze and itll be hard to climb
would love to see this concept expanded more, specifically with using melee champs.
Will do :)
You are actually the best educational content out there. This is exactly the stuff that LS used to talk about in his coaching vods, but this is far and away much more understandable and explained better. I love how in depth you are willing to go to analyze the examples you use. The problem with LS's old vods is that he always had to talk in hypotheticals, because the client didn't know how to properly tether or how to manage 2 waves in advance. Even after hearing him talk about it, it was very hard to apply because it was hard ot picture. And this does give credence to LS saying that his old videos are still relevant because tethering and gaining a resource advantage and holding waves are concepts as old as the game, but this is by far the better content, and also TWT and biscuits didn't exist when he made those vods. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much Mark, really appreciate that :)
I've been abusing your tips with FF Akali Top and I'm closing in on Plat. This is my 1st season playing a lane as my main roll and your videos have been a gold mine. Thanks Coach!
Love it man! keep up the climb CJ
First time I visit your channel and I'm amazed, gj!
Oh yes! Part 2! Thanx coach, this is gonna be great!
season ending, curtis posting, we chillin.
we chillin
Great vid Curtis. Love all of your videos, especially your drafting one.
Im grateful for every single one of your vods, you are an amazing teacher
I believe all this experience on wave manipulation during lane phase is pretty great, But I believe in low elos doesn't apply entirelly considering the game is often a mess, constant team fights, so that's where it comes from our pesrpective that priority is always good, but as I climb is good to understand it how can I improve it on this details. Good content as usual
This is still applicable in low elo, even more so. A lot of dives and aggression from mid laners can be massive mistakes.
To answer your question at the end of the video yes I do want to see more in-depth wave management videos great video like always curtis
Thanks man, got another one coming up soon
@@CoachCurtis thanks appreciate u always responding and liking comments I'll be looking forward to the next vid!
I was hardstuck gold 1 gold 2 most of the season startd watching u now I'm plat 2 trying to reach diamond very useful content
Imagine being hardstuck challenger sad
Your channel is so good, the videos are amazing and you sound like a great guy
I swear that when I get a job I'll support you on patreon!
Loved this video, really want to experiment with this strategy! Thanks Curtis!
Hey, one question, when the guys youre facing have to take a bad recall, you instantly recall, but you have the chance to take a turret plate, but that would mean that you are extending and letting them to reach, and now they have the control of the wave, so it is worth taking that 130g for a plate ? Great content bro, keep it up!!
plates are actually worth 160 gold, and in my opinion its only worth to go for them if they are really low (if you can kill it with 2 hits for example) and if you are lacking the gold to get an important item or item spike (like lost chapter ou sorc shoes)
i also think you should avoid doing this if it gives roaming champions like katarina or talon free tempo to get roams.
hope i could help :p
@@darkharvest32 yeahhh thanks!
You are so good at what you are doing Curtis love your content!
This video is insane! A must watch for all mids. Konq signing out
I'm a simple man: I see my babe Orianna and I hit like
Ah yes I was waiting for this
Galio and Nocturne cannot freeze waves because their Empowered Autos do AOE damage.
If you play those kind of champs your Playstyle is different.
You have to Roam and make plays with Galio and Nocturne, because their Ults are Roaming and you basically are a Ultless champ if you dont roam.
AND both dont scale well into late game, thats why you will probably get outscaled if you dont push the pace of the game.
Oriana on the other hand is a scaling mage, so she is completely fine with freezing and delaying the pace of the game.
Galio and Noc are not.
This strategy doesn't work with those hard push and move champs unfortunately because of their need to shove for protection PLUS having AOE passives
Thanks Curtis! This will help me climb into gold.
All this knowledge and the 25:30 dancing ww makes me happy :)
LOL
yes please more of these advanced tips coach :D
can you also do some kind of video focused on playing as assasin champs?
Got some in the works :)
Let's gooo!! can't wait
I know everyone says it but you really are the goat! UA-cam doesn’t pay you enough to do this
Thank you brother
This was a really intersting video. I'm actually bronze and i hope this will make me climb even faster :))
cant believe this was a year ago. time flies so fast.
Ah a friend just showed me your videos, super useful! I always have troubles against poke and harassing champions whenever I play an assassine and I have to farm under my turret. It's so hard to get the cs without dying, do you have any tips for that, when they constantly push? I'm already excited for your next videos!
I talk about this in my zed guide/ekko guide I believe
Wow thats really awesome content! Ty Curtis!
Great video! Curtis have you ever thought about making a video explaining the importance of matchups precedents? For those who aways get soloed by the same champion.
Asin how matchups should work?
Yep. Just general lines like assassins vs mages, ad vs poke etc.
Yep. Just general lines like assassins vs mages, ad vs poke etc.
These stuff helps indentify the identity of the champions we are versing
Hi coach, great video as always, I'm not really sure to understand how you manage the wave until the 3rd one, what's the plan there ?
Thanks so much for all
THIS IS JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR TYSM!
Hi Coach, thanks for this video, it's really interesting! As a melee champions lover, I felt really really sad for that Akali and I'm trying to figuring out how to play around this kind of playstyle without relying too much on my jungler. I found myself in some sort of that situation playing Akali vs Orianna or Lux (it's difficult to find good mage players but when i do it's ff for me). You talked about how that Akali was in a lose-lose situation, got frustated and committed a bad all-in. What should Akali have done?
Super great vid, I am wondering when the wave slow pushes toward your side and you play Twisted Fate would you still trade the opponent and take the aggro of the wave by using target ability or you can only do that with champs with skillshots like Orianna ?
It can work with Tf as well, aslong as you have access to resources, DOPA does this often actually
This is why mid jg duo is the best
Hi Curtis,
I don't know, if You read comments here anymore, but I'm kind of asking/telling myself while watching this, that this all looks nice and cool with Orianna, but the thing is, if You do this as Azir, You will automatically aggro minnons if You attack opponent with abilities, which You need to prevent them from getting gold/xp right? But aggroing minnions means there will be no push towards Your turret.
You don't aggro minnions with abilities with other control mages, but You do with Azir, because his soldiers kind of counts as basic auto attack I guess. You can get very low hp very quickly if You go way too far for poking and enemy doesn't even need to do anything to You. Minnions will do the job.
I don't know if You were talking about this in Your Azir videos. Or did You? And if not, do You have in plan like any Azir video #3 in a future?
Thanks man. I appreciate it you earned your sub.
Hello Curtis. I know you're a mid player, but would it be possible for you to do some jungle videos too? I am in love with your content (often listen to it whenever biking somewhere, taking public transport etc). But I main jungle and I cant find anyone doing indepth content for that role.
Great video. What are your thoughts on anivia in the current meta ?
I had this really awesome wave play earlier when I played Fizz into a Zed where I noticed my he missed the XP from one minion so I knew I would hit lvl 3 first so I was able to take half his health, dodging his W + Q with me E and getting my full combo onto him. I was very proud of myself to be honest :D
Beautiful, thats exactly what you want to be doing as burst assassins that spike hard at lvl 3
Coach Curtis thank you coach :D I’m learning so much from you!
Im jungle main but your videos are so informative that i watch them lol
Great work, man I really appreciate it! But please answer 1 question: in this VOD you played ranged vs melee. But what I should do, if I play Yone or Kassadin against ranged who is applying your strategy? I other words: how to play against your strategy?
You need to call for your jungler to hover while you get the wave out safely or you need to heavy trade as the wave is bouncing out at lvl 3 in which the enemy is too low to protect the wave, OR another way is ward to one side as the wave is bouncing out and heavy lean while aggressively trading for the wave and then instant resetting.
OR if you can't do any of this, then get the wave out as much as you can, then recall, TP back with replenished resources and go for round 2 (sacrificing your Hp for the wave), ideally healing slowly back up with fleet on the next wave
Coach Curtis got it coach, will try it today! Thank you!
Thank you for the content as always!
One thing I was curious about was that I'm not sure if your recall at 26:58 was necessary. You still had 1 corrupting and 2 biscuits and you don't get a significant buy so I'm thinking maybe it was better to stay to possibly get a mid tower plate or get deep vision with Warwick in top jungle.
It was the best thing to do.
I assume the next wave is a cannon wave.
That means that if Coach recalls he will miss 1-2 Melee Creeps from the cannon Wave.
What he gains is another item (he got 600g) AND full Mana ( he was 1/4 Mana). Remember that Coach said that he wants to create a Resource Advantage.
If he stayed and greeded for a plate he could not spam his Q for aggressive Trades and Wave Management because of Mana issues and would be scared to walk up aggresively.
Yone would have noticed his low Mana and go for an all in.
Since Yones Lvl 6 All in is really strong and Coach cant fix the wave or poke Yone (because low mana) , Coach might have died to a solo kill.
He also shouldnt put Vision because that would delay his Recall time and lose him Tempo.
He was also playing for Lane and not for roams.
Since he freezed the wave under his tower he did not need deep vision because he cannot get ganked anyway.
So the recall was necessairy.
I can stay but it doesn't really achieve anything. I'd much rather refresh my pots, spend my gold and replenish my resources. Warwick is heading back to his jg to clear regardless. If I want to keep the pressure on during these heavy trading matchups I need all the resources I can get
@@CoachCurtis I see, thank you for the swift reply!
@@Esbro Thank you for your thoughts. I see that making sure you're always fully stocked on resources is essential to making sure you get wave control.
Actual title: why tp is an overpowered spell
Curtis you're following mma? .. what a pleasant suprise :D
I’m pretty sure u tp’ing on the melee minion in the ori vs lucian example helped the push. Since there are less minions to target the first melee creep would die faster
once question i have here is, i understand why corruption pot is important for this strategy, but i dont really see why time warp tonic is necessary for it. it seems like as long you use your corrupting potion early, you get pretty much the same result, since its not like time warp tonic actually gives you more resources to work with or anything. not to say that time warp isnt good, and it definitely has a lot of synergy if you're already taking corrupting pot
could you do ziggs guide?i dont know what to do after winning lane lol i cant carry if my team ints
Great guide, I'd almost want to play mid now ! ^^
Nice coaching man rlly appreciate that
No problem mate
Is this concept applicable for other champs that aren't like Orianna or Syndra?
Say, if I played Zed or Sylas, how would I attempt such a thing? Especially against a ranged champ?
If I was Zed against Lucian, how would I try and create such a scenario where I am given the advantage. (Also considering I don't have TWT or Corrupting pot with Zed. I know you have that super in-depth guide with Zed which I watched but I can't remember if such a thing was discussed.) Would minion de-materializer be taken for such a situation to help have more power over the minion waves? Or is it just a simple loss by matchup. Agh, I'm trying to figure this out but I feel like the more I try to improve, the worse I get at the game ahaha.
My issue is that recently, I just haven't felt any power in lanes. It always feels like the enemy laner is stronger from the get-go and I just can't do anything. I feel like I can't EVER go up to CS, even if the enemy is melee and I don't know why. In the end I just feel choked out when nothing even happened yet really. I don't know what's happening. I used to be pretty dominant in lane, but now I lose lane dominance before laning phase even starts.
I will have to explain this more using melees, but it's much harder to do with melees unless you are versing very low range champions and you are stronger then them in which you can zone them from hitting the wave. Sometimes if you are versing Zed vs Lucian but you have dirk and they have vamp scepter, you can do this sort of strategy, but only if your W is available. As soon as your W is down, you have to respect in which they can thin the wave. So either you hold and generate threat, or you go for the all-in
@@CoachCurtis ah I see. For melee it's just not really the strategy to go for then, which makes sense. Melee doesn't have that same kind if pressure and ease with poking that these champs do.
Thanks! Looking forward to more :)
So it seems like the strategy for an assassin/melee champ is to avoid getting completely spanked until you can get poke down and kill the other guy with an all-in - it goes back to the tethering concept. If Aka was landing a ton of Qs and backing out of/ dodging Coach's QEW then the "frustrated" all-in might have netted a kill instead of just looking silly. If I'm reading this right, on, say, Zed/aka/diana you just want to get an angle and spam Q while avoiding hitting the wave forcing the enemy to push in to you & wait for a good trading opportunity or even an all-in - you're still using the concept of letting an enemy push / holding the wave, but you have to be v focused on the micro element to avoid getting poked down. If you've managed to hit 6 on an assassin vs an ori who is under your tower at that point due to you having held the wave there, and if you've poked them down to half HP with your Qs or other ranged spells, they're just dead. A 1/2 HP Ori isn't going to get away from a lv6 zed if they're playing under Zed's tower. The hard thing is avoiding getting poked out during the first levels - to that end as Coach says it's really a matter of resource management. It's ok to miss some CS as an assassin to save your HP for the all-in - even if you don't net the kill, you will be able to force the enemy mid back and crash your wave, denying him CS, equalizing your creep score and maybe even scoring plates. I think i got most of that right based on the previous videos and my own experience but Coach might have some input I overlooked.
Cheers!
about the being ahead in levels "potentially even a level and a half" at 21:32 ... NO! you can literally see he's lvl 7 and you're lvl 8.3 or something like that. So the maximum lead you can have is 1,3 levels. But at the same time your wave also pushes into him so he still ought to get a bit more XP momentarily. So that makes anywhere from a 0 lvl up to a full level lead. (that's just without even considering how the laning phase went up to that point just from the pure state of the screenshot at that time)
Hi Coach! I wanna know your insights for example if you are a melee AD/AP champion (Yone/Ekko) how can you apply being able to zone them out of the wave?
Wow what a great video. Im going to implement this and climb. 46:30.... nvm
Gotta get grinding those fundamentals!
Hey Coach! great video as always. One little question: how would you adapt this strategy to Cass? Is it worth to not go with domination as secondary to have time warp tonic + biscuits? Is it okay to trade the early tear for a D-ring + dark seal early back?
Thanks!
Skill capped made a video about this strategy and they recommended using the strategy on Cassio in aggressive matchups, but options for a more scaling rune page in less aggressive matchups.
I haven’t tried the strategy myself on Cassio but I imagine it’s still probably better to go tear early.
I dont recommend this with Cassio because she doesn't really win trades hard enough due to having such a small mana pool given her mana costs.
Is this possible with assasins or do Assassins have another playstyle?: shove and roam.
Im playing alot of qiyana also with timewarp and corruption potion, but qiyana is absolutely useless before lvl 3. Should i just wait for 3 then try to take aggressive trades and start freezing and stuff like you showed us or should i shove waves with qiyana and start roaming? Thanks as always for your content, watching you since last year, you teached me so much :)
It is if you are in a favourable matchup or you get ahead in the early game.
Generally Qiyana won't be able to do this sort of thing though in the early game due to how weak you are, and you need to constantly trade on the enemy with grass Q post lvl 3.
But if you do get ahead post first base, you can start to slow build waves if you position appropriately (I will cover this in my video coming out tomorrow)
Hey coach! Little question here: what are you thoughts on Seraph's Orianna? Been seeing it multiple times on worlds, but it isn't a classic build. Do you think it's a "pro-only" thing? When would you recommend building Seraph's as a low elo peasant (G3) ? Thanks !
I think Seraphs is actually the best lower elo item because it scales so incredibly well and is much easier to execute . Seraphs into Rabadons
@@CoachCurtis Thanks a lot, again! My final follow up question: would you say it is worth to delay Seraph's to execute this strategy? Else, is it okay to pseudo execute this strategy with the same runes and starting item but getting tear on first back?
Curtis, at the end of the video you mentioned cassio, however you dont run Tonic or biscuits on her, do you still run corrupting pot? Can you do this start on her?
This tactic will be a lot more benefitial againsts roam oriented champs in preseason because of canon changes
That's actually a good point
20:20 Nidalee is nearly out of mana. Blue's guaranteed gold, a big win vs a Karthus and necessary for a safe dive or any ensuing fight. I don't think she has a better play here.
BTW: I learned a lot. These videos are amazing.
I can see that for sure, I wasn't really aware of her mana pool, although she just needs to come and AA him once or even blind Q from out of vision, it's worth because of how much Lucian will miss and then if we force Lucian to base I can help nidalee get the enemy blue anyway. But I can see why Nidalee didn't come for sure
What's your opinion on Cosmic Insight vs Timewarp Tonic on Orianna?
I really like the extra CDR that CI grants for ball mobility, whereas I don't feel like the MS / instant restore from TWT makes a large difference.
As a follow-up, would you recommend going for Corrupting Potion without taking TWT?
I never go corrupting without TWT.
Cosmic is better if you are playing a slower early lane for sure , but personally magical footwear+ biscuits is best if you dont want TWT
That Khabib vs Conor reference. We gotta be friends my dude
Love my UFC references haha
Hi curtis , im stuck at high D1 / low master and I wanted to ask do u think this kind of strategy works the same if u are playing a champ like viktor or azir? I play with tonic and biscuit on viktor but the first hexcore is super crucial for pushing the waves and mana, do you think a doran plus dark seal could be the play early game?
3 games I made my enemy afk yesterday with this. 😂 (low plat) low kills, around a 30-40 cs gap, just picking up the freebies.
It would be cool to see this strat on other champs. Seems easy and doable on ori/vik/ect but ahri lux veigar ect might have difficult time with it
Sir can u please make a video on skillshots?
Like more indepth than other vids on youtube
For example like how you move your character to force the enemy champ into moving in certain ways before landing skilshots
Im struggling
Khôi Lê Watch his previous video about tethering and micro
I will be going deeper on this for sure
@@CoachCurtis thank you good sir
I feel like the quality of gameplay fromt the opponents shown in this video is on par with my current elo (d4 euw) I love your videos coach but i would like to know how you do on other servers :)
I have played on other servers briefly, got to d1 playing my second role only in KR in 3 weeks from unranked, and played in Chall in NA, but haven't had the opportunity for EUW yet. Planning to go play on EUW next year which will be fun!
Most of the opponents in this vod were low master, I believe the yone was 300ish LP GM. From the people I've spoken to, EUW Chall is a lot better then NA and OCE so it'l be fun experience :)
Hello Couch!
I have found this strategy very effective when it comes to stomping mid but as a melee mid player I find myself in the situation where the enemy will simply use their range advantadge to farm safely and give me no opening to allin them. So while I do get huge CS leads over them, they don't really die and safely farm what they can and wait for the jungler to come and bail their lane. I have found that this pressure is simply not enough in soloque when, say, a sidelane is constantly fighting (and dying).
Do you think in those cases its ok to "sabotage" your mid gap ego and just shove and roam to make sure you don't have a 0 20 botlane by 10 minutes? Or you think you should not get out of your way to compensate for your teammates mistakes?
On the other hand, many times when I hold and deny waves the enemy player will simply accept that they have nothing to do mid and roam to one of their winning sidelanes that obviously has full prio and vision. They grab free kills there and there is simply no way I can follow them with 0 vision. Now their sidelane is even more ahead and my teammates have an excuse to why they inted their lane (mid diff). Anything to do there?
Rank is D2 EUW for context.
Cheers.
luv your videos they help alot
Every video u do is so good unfortunately i dont have enough time to Watch them all :/
Any suggestions on how to manage waves as a support? I reckon a lot of has to do with creating pressure for my AD, but sometimes the AD doesn’t manage the waves properly or I give up pressure
Hey coach, would it be possible to get some more melee versions of this?
I noticed that while watching some of Chovy's VODS he uses the exact same concept on irelia
makes a lot of sense, since she has such great wave clear in the early portion of the lane
Great video m8, I'm always watching really good content, but honestly for me as a Kassadin player that doesn't helps at all xD I can't do that early game and I'm unless in a even match up I can't zone slow builds waves, will be nice to see a kassadin video soon, peace
He has 2 videos about kassadin
I can do some more kassadin videos
would you do this with annie? so different runes compared to your annie guide?
Thanks man alot its really great video
I got a question What would you do if you were lucian or yone against a really good wave management player?
At 12:22 you used TP to get back to lane. Lucian was shoving and I don't think he could've crashed it by the time you got back. Wouldn't it be worth it to save the TP and be able to keep a freeze? Lucian would be forced to back and stay far away.
Agreed, I didn't have to TP here
Me: "Damn coach is a player"
Coach: "Now, this isn't to show off how good I am"
Me: "Too late, what's done is done"
thanks so much coach!!
Is this exclusive to champions that already start corrupting pot or can it be used on all mages? I am an azir otp so would I be able to use this as well?
These types of wave management strategies can apply to anyone who can out-resource/pressure the enemy laner. It will be harder in counter match ups and easier when you counter them. twt and corrupting helps get that advantage, but if you can generate this without it, you can apply the same strategies
Skill capped made a video about this strategy a bit ago and had a list of champions that they reccomend we doing it for. iirc azir wasn’t on that list but I feel like he can probably still opt in for this strategy if he wants to, thi azir has so much harass and waveclear there are probably a lot of matchups where he can replicate this without even needing the time warp tonic and corrupting pot.
it can be for all mages but the matchup has to be one that you have wave control or win trades in. It definitely works with Azir and with D-Ring or corrupting pot
Hi Coach, I've been playing Orianna in low Elo and I was wondering if you think the corrupting potion/dark seal/dorans start could work well with the AA staff build as I still want early lane strength without having to sacrifice scaling since my games tend to drag on for a long time
in low elo i think the dorans ring start into archangels is the most reliable, but if you are versing a very heavy trading champ like Yasuo, then this build/setup makes more sense. But you can still do this approach with the AA build for sure
I went from mid to top lane. But r emember this. Amazing vids. Just invest in yourself glhf
since I'm pretty much a yone main right now I'm curious if you could say what yone should've done versus this strategy, would help me a lot
and for context, I'm d2, not playing against full trash mid laners with 0 knowledge about the game :D
He either had to trade harder lvls 1-2 to prevent the wave from crashing and bouncing, OR as the wave is bouncing out he needs to ward to one side and heavy lean and try and contest me and fight me off of defending the wave OR call his jungle for assistance way in advance to help him get the wave out
Felt so bad for the Lucian.. but no actually, f*** this boring OP champ. Great video as always.
I main ekko mid and I started this season I dont play much ranked mostly customs with my friends but I have an 80 percent winrate in the last 10 games in around gold 4 mmr and I have been just perma pushing at lvl 7 and roaming. Should I stop doing this?
Played a game of Orianna vs Qiyana following everything I learned, won lane really hard got a 2 level lead just from denying xp, but team didn’t listen to missing pings and she got fed anyway, I hate gold elo...
If you can replicate getting a 2 lvl lead = gg
Can you apply this strategy to Leblanc? How do you play this type of laning phase without a strong laner/without TP?
It works on any style champ as long as it's a favourable matchup OR you get ahead in the early game
You just need to be very careful of your resources and be decisive on which wave you are recalling on
11:38 why no boots? is there any reason you prefer a control ward over boots?
Pinks are essential for me in order to play aggressive
If ure freezing and enemy romes shuld u insta shuwe or still freez?