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@@RaccoonRevolution If it was, do you think Keen would admit it? Like we ask and he says "shucks you got me! I'm a big ol' liar pants.". If you think we should have been more indirect, what would have been crucial to ask with limited questions?
I vote release. Partially out of spite for the mysterious probably evil planetside hacker group that probably needs Keen because he's a medical officer, but mostly because we need him. 1. Using Ms. Whistle as an example was a bad idea, we all saw that Rot, she committed an act of murder and did a job that could be EASILY replaced. Ostracized because of her actions and so she could be with her husband. 2. Relying on students to take up the position of medical personnel would be an excellent way to ensure that people with life-threatening illness, tumors, things that need careful surgery and specialists to ensure survival, die. Dr. Keen may really hate the idea of setting a precedent, but I ought to point out that precedent doesn't matter with the ROT system, who got terminated for a crime once could have a prisoner freed one day. The citizens of Concretta know full well, as older cycle members likely remember prior ROT's where an individual who used to deal drugs... for example, might have been Ostracized for such crimes, while we Released one not too long ago. Last thing, I think we really need to have a Q&A system implemented at some point, so citizens can ask Officer Medina questions about the station at large without someone's LIFE hanging in the balance, because we will likely want some info on who just hacked the ROT broadcast, and would really like not asking the question when it does not apply to the ROT at hand. I understand the Call to ROT has been coming in more and more often, but if there is any time between broadcasts that could be used for the betterment of Concretta, I put it forward as a suggestion.
As a frequent patient with elderly parents and disabled brothers, I have no choice but to vote release. Didn't like the guy even before all this happened, but who am I supposed to go to for managing my family's meds dosages now? The maintenance guy?? Let him work off his debt to society teaching a new medical staff. No easy out for him, I say. Hell I'll even attend the class myself if I have to.
"Understand something for the rest of the citizens, *Scott*" - oh my goodness are we flirting right now? I'm still leaning towards release, especially now that we're aware that a foreign agent has a vested interest in Dr. Keen's ostracizing. Something tells me that things aren't NEARLY as quiet on the planet below as many would like to believe. Either way, time to answer the call.
You're not wrong about the foreign agent, thing is I think we need more information before we determine who's the right side here. Are we trusting Concretta is on the up and up? Why? Because they say so? I'm starting to think our questions might have severe impact on the amount of information we get, and this story could have different endings depending on what we learn and who we side with. I think we should use our questions carefully and really consider when we're handed an opportunity to gleam more information. We know this foreign agent has means of communicating to us, maybe we need to expend a question or keep an ear out for an opportunity to talk to them again and see if they can make their case why we should trust them and not Concretta.
@@therealquade The fact that insignia of theirs had a pickaxe leads me to believe they got some form of old comms equipment from the mining days working.
Honestly I'm just happy we saw True, which debunks the theory that all the options are just a glorified "Terminate" button. As for what I'm voting, I'm leaning on Ostrasize. Command aside, I don't want people to feel like they can get away with committing terrorism, and I don't want to give the perpetrator EXACTLY what he wanted. I am leaning slightly more towards release since his expertise is important, but lets face it, he's not going to give any useful teaching after this. We'd have to pry it out of him and, at that point, we may as well just use textbooks.
I synthesize the medicine here, and I don't know thing ONE about making a diagnosis. What am I supposed to do with a triage bay full of medical students and no presiding doctor? Might as well flush these supplies!
I vote for Release. Not only do we now need medical staff urgently but I have a feeling the doctor might have some ideas as to who would have that...corpse farm set up.
This episode DOES set a precedent for former ROT convicts to return in future episodes if there is valuable insight from their input. That said, if we need to hear from the Doc again, it's not impossible to think Concretta could try to find him on the planet if we opted for Ostracize. Hm, this is a tricky choice.
While I'm not super jazzed about releasing someone who decompression-ed people to death, Concretta needs a specialist doctor! Diseases and health conditions aren't just going to politely wait 2 years until we get another specialist. In a way this ensures that Dr. Keen repays his debt to society. Ensuring that the ship stays healthy until someone else is ready to take over. Also, did anyone else see thay glitch happen? Think it said to ostracize Keen? Weird it would ask us to ostracize him and not terminate ... you guys don't think there really is some society down there? I mean... I'd imagine they'd need a doctor after a while ... Regardless I don't like being told what to do so my vote remains to release Keen.
I think it's a Rebel group that have been sentenced to Ostracize. No doubt they are extremists, but this isn't a black and white situation. If these rebels want Keen.... well it's not the right thing to do, but I won't deny that I would like to see what happens....
@@aisnota5192 Yes, I'll admit that this case has certainly been ... eye opening on some potential goings on. I mean I've never really been one to put full trust in an authority so I'm not surprised at the idea of some corrupt things going on with the highest ranked people (though I'm sure no one was prepared to hear about the human soap...) Regardless if Keen gets ostracize the citizens on the ship loose access to a fully trained doctor. And even if the ostracized are still alive down there we on the ship should take priority... right?
@@aisnota5192 Officially none of his students will be qualified until 2 more years of training and studying He says they are capable of taking over for him, but i hesitate to take the man who wants to be terminated word for it
The doctor really wants to be punished. But that would just bring everyone down losing as many medical support without him. I'd say we eventually send him away but after the situation cools down and stability is brought back
I'm voting Ostracized, not necessarily because it was 'commanded' of me, but because it seems the fairest thing to do in this case. As established in the Whistle case, ostracization is essentially a protracted form of death anyway; and as he said himself, when taken in the round, he and Whistle committed the same crime, so should they not have the same punishment in turn?
I agree. Whistle's case was us setting a precedent, and the doctor made a very valid point regarding it. Similarly, both cases involved murder out of a twisted sense of justice that we can sympathize with. Ostracization is the closest thing we can give to mercy without condoning their actions.
@@gidgetgal7245funnily true. I remember I voted release for Mrs Whistle, yet saw how fast the watcher’s hand went to the ostracize button. Clearly, Dr. Keener wants to die, yet the group that displayed the broadcast wants to sway us into ostracizing him. But I don’t think that will happen. Of my own choice, I will vote to ostracize Dr Keener. But the end result is out of my hands.
I think release. The station, no matter how insular it is, needs the medical training to continue. He made a call that i think many people would have in the situation, however heinous it ended up being. Its not because of his value, but because in his shoes, many would have done the same. Its different from whatshername because hers was a personal vendeta, his was a moral obligation
He said it himself the people who ran the experiments have to be very powerful whats to say they wont kidnap him and torture him to death a few days after he is released?
I’m continually amazed by how compelling this series is. So many details and twists that muddy the waters for how each case should be addressed. Really great stuff
Well, thank you Elizabethk007. Your question was the same as mine and gave me everything that I needed to know. All of the victims were part of the conspiracy that have gone against the ethos of the station. I will vote for Release to give Dr. Keen 1 vigilante excuse. ...One. Next time, I expect him to actually go to the proper authorities.
I've already cast my vote, but I'd like to put in a word of caution after seeing the Reaction to the thought that Mr. True could have been involved As soon as the public's knee-jerk reaction to someone doing something is "Impossible"... that's exactly who you should be watching. If you've filed them as Not A Player, that's a person escaping scrutiny. If you never search under your bed, you'll never find things that fell beneath it. We. Must. Look.
True showing up in this episode does set the precedent that former ROT convicts can appear again to give relevant insight on future episodes. That said, that ability could also be used against us if a malicious person with a vested interest in keeping this conspiracy under wraps was allowed to continue operating. We should take caution to be careful who we're keeping around the station.
Duly noted. The fact that there was some shadowy authority figure "bruising" him lends credence that there is more to come. There are shenanigans aboard this station, and all players need to be scrutinized.
At first I was on the board with Release. A medical professional is a valuable asset. But then I got to thinking. Ostracizing isn't a 100% death sentence. It is essentially, yes. But from what they've shown us. Thinking further I honestly believe... The people on the surface who were ostracized need some help if they want to survive. And a Medical Professional is a valuable asset.
I was voting ostracized anyway for the same reason he brought up with the last murder, and he doesn't get to decide his fate. But now some cryptic secret organization messages trying to tell me what to do! I'm voting o because of my own reasons!
Ostracized. He still need to be punished for his crime, no matter how justified it was, and at least this might lead to some good down on the planet since I doubt they have any doctors down there.
I think it would be most effective to allow Dr. Keen to continue his work as a medical specialist for the period of time (est. 2 years) during which new students will be completing their education and training. Perhaps a secondary trial could be carried out after that time, though I am not sure if allowing the ROT system to posthumously change its results would set the best precedent. In my true opinion, he should be Ostracized. My vote, however, is for Release.
I think the whole concept of this series is awesome! Also the fact that out choices affect the series in both the short term and the long term is really awesome
Voted O. Reason: He has chosen to be judged and face punishment over any reconstruction. That attitude is a bigger threat then a bomb. May he help the mining colony survive.
While Whistle and Keen did commit the same kind of crime (although Dr. Keen's victim count is much higher), what differs is the motive and the attitude of the accused. Whistle's motive was a selfish one, and from the evidence we got her judgment was flawed, her anger was misguided, and her victim was innocent - plus she asked to be released because she believed she was justified. Dr. Keen uncovered a massive ethics violation that has far-reaching implications and in order to prevent this from happening any longer, he weighed his options and made a choice that he acknowledges should result in his death. Vigilante justice shouldn't be encouraged, but if literally every other medical specialist was part of it, then who could he reliably report it to? He was put into a terrible situation. I'm voting release.
Dr. Keen clearly has a strong moral standing. One that would be waisted by jettisoning or otherwise removing him. His actions may seem extreme, but I believe he merely took the only actions he could to ensure the safety and wellbeing of the people. As Keen said, if a higher up was behind the experiments, then reporting the lab would have resulted in nothing, and if it one of his peers was to blame then the problem has been removed. I believe the ends do justify the means in this particular case. Circumstances surrounding the case matter! I vote for release!
@@aisnota5192 Circumstantial evidence indicates that people sentenced to ostracism have created a community/communities on the planet and need medics.
@@aisnota5192 Given the tone of the message, I'm betting it's possibly a society of people who were ostracized in previous ROT trials, like a lot of people are suggesting. Clearly they want him alive and on the planet for some reason, and we don't fully know why. It could be that they just need a doctor down there, or it could be something more malicious. That "Concretta Had Its Chance" message really says that they aren't open to the idea of peaceful co-existence, and Keen might be pushed to aiding in whatever plot they have cooking if we ostracize him, since we'll not only be going against his wishes, but also forcing him onto the planet, possibly leaving him embittered and in a position to help this "FIT" group, as shown in the message. If we ostracize, we not only lose potentially vital medical knowledge, but also possibly aid a splinter faction in weakening if not outright destroying Concretta.
My petty ass says ostracized. Not because he deserves it, but more because Concretta is going to shit. The last person we released is clearly still being supervised. And if Dr. Keem is released, he might be coerced into doing something against his personal code as the only professional left. It would be an absolute waste for him to be terminated as much as he feels like he deserves it. The world or in this case, the ship, needs more people that care about humanity which it clearly does not. Enough to have an experimental wing. I feel there is a sector on the planet that would better appreciate his skills. If Concretta doesn't want him, he definitely can find other people to help.
Yes, our home is truly being warped, but we can’t just send people to their probable death just because there’s a possibility that a fairer society has been built down on the surface… …but I’m happy that there’s another citizen who has seen through our leaders’ charade. Our votes may be different, but I’m glad to know there’s more of us.
Release. His value to the whole is more important than the sins on his hands. Punishment is living with his deeds and penance through saving the lives of those who reside on the ship. His hell will be in his own mind.
...Ostracize. That is my vote. It really is the fairest thing to do. No further questions. (OOC: at first I was like "okay, no way should we do what the purple text says, because that's a good way to become wrapped up in a bad evil scheme." But then I was like "But if we don't get wrapped up in whatever this is, there's no story." So uhhhh despite the moral dilemma, I am going to vote Ostracize because it seems to be where the plot wants us to go, and I wanna know what the plot is. However, I also would probably have gone for Ostracize even if there was no message. Releasing not only doesn't seem right given the severity of the crime, but I don't trust Keen to be able to carry out any of his duties properly given the mental state he's in. But I also am kind of making it a goal to never vote "terminate" unless I really think it's extremely needed to prevent further harm...or proceed with the story. I don't really believe in the capital punishment in general, and folks don't have to agree with me, but this is a case where Keen doesn't seem like he would reoffend, so I don't see the point in killing him beyond the fact that he requested it. And hey, it's a punishment. If he asked to be terminated, would giving him what he wants be a punishment? Nah. O is my final answer.) (Also OOC: sidebar, WHY IS ELIAS TRUE STILL THE MOST ICONIC CHARACTER IN THE SERIES FULLY TWO ARCS AFTER HIS VERDICT? THANK you for animating an entire freaking cameo of him just to sass off. I love him so much. Even if he does become a menace to society, I will never regret voting to release him purely because he is just a joy of a character to have around in the fictional context.)
I think there's room to try and glean information on who this foreign entity is before we trust them. I say we should try to ask a question that subtly implores them to contact us again and make their case why Concretta is beyond support and why we should trust them instead.
Also, there could still be a story if we don't do what the intruding group says. I imagine this is a story that could have different endings depending on our choices and who we decide to support during it.
Having worked with recent medical graduates, it is hard to have confidence in new doctors let alone medical students. It will take quite a while for new graduates to gain practical experience, especially without guidance from an experienced doctor. As much as it would hurt to set a bad precedent it might help the community more to release Dr. Keen. Then again without other doctors to assist Dr. Keen his help might not be as impactful, considering that being head of medicine doesn't mean he is specialized in all aspects of health care.
I voted for the release of Ms. Whistle last time, I'll still do for Dr. Keen. I do not trust whoever is running Concretta nor the Splinter Group. I will however trust in a doctor who will indeed teach the new specialist and therefore ingrained in them the missing morality those who've been lost in the explosion.
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AAaaaaaaaaaaaa 😱 It boils down to Honor vs Pragmatism, and whether or not the interference can be trusted... To quote a particular trading card focused indie game: Sacrifices. Must. Be. Made. P.S. the game I'm referencing is Inscryption P.S.S. Hello again, Mr. True 👋
I feel like the doctor is missing the larger context to this. He didn't do this out of petty or unjust reason. The people he got rid of would have been taken to ROT and immediately been terminated anyway. That's only if they weren't being protected by someone higher up as well. Keen did his job, excised disease from the colony, and he shouldn't be terminated or ostracized for it. I certainly don't trust the signal personally. There might be problems with the colony, but the signal could be from the planet and group made exclusively of those who have been ostracized, so they wouldn't have good intentions for those that voted for them.
Ostracize, not out of morality but more due to a morbid curiosity as to what happens if we do give in to...whatever is contacting us. I'm also fascinated by the "Concretta had it's chance" thing. While you could argue that the point is to literally kill the citizens of Concretta by getting rid of their one doctor, I also like to entertain the idea that they're some kind of revolutionary organization, perhaps one made by the rejected residents of the mining planet. In this case I'd say they admire the doctor for his sense of "justice" and seek to recruit him to their cause. Now as for the cause itself, I don't know their ideology but I think it's not hard to say that Concretta's society does have structural evils in it's organization. Release if you want to play it safe, but I'm fascinated by what a true upheaval to this system could mean.
This is a tough choice. If someone higher up was really involved in said lab, then there is no certainty that something wouldn't happen to the doctor if released as an act of vengeance or said person finding a way to coerce him into starting another unethical laboratory. But there are no other trained medical specialists and that seriously jeopardizes the safety of the ship. If we're being fair, Ostracizing is the punishment given last time for someone who has a personal vendetta rather than feeling a moral obligation to stop something that going through normal channels might've proven fruitless. Termination is what he desires, but that also shows he does have some sense of justice or conscience about what happened. All things considered, Ostracize. Maybe he can be of help to whatever society is Planetside and will be beyond the reach of anyone who might've been behind the lab.
Hmm, seems like those who were ostracized have been able to interfere with the station, in some way. I wonder if it's prudent to feed more competent people to the clearly present and organized group down in the planet below?
That heavily depends on who we think are the "good guys" here. I'm going to reserve judgement but not entirely trust the foreign interference unless and until they make a case to us what their mission statement is and why we should side with them over Concretta, and then decide who I think passes the vibe test.
I vote terminate. Reasoning: It is unlikely that he didn't know about the lab, since he is the top head of medical, and given its scale. He might have actually been the one to set it up, since he had the most means available to him to do so. The most likely explanation as to what happened is that he got into some kind of disagreement with one or more of his peers and they threatened to expose him. So he blew up the lab with everyone in it who had inside knowledge, thus ensuring anyone else who knew about it would be killed and blown into space, leaving him as the only one with the knowledge of its existence. His "terminate me" statements show just how manipulative he is. If he was true to his word, he would just tell people to judge him accordingly and leave it up to each person voting to make their own judgement. By telling people to terminate him and reasoning that it's the most "just" thing to do, he sways opinion to having people vote for him to live. Even if none of the above is true, then he did judge many people and execute them himself. So, vote is for termination.
Honestly, sounds grizzly but I'm fine with the lab. Resources are scarce in space, they had a good thing going and he blew it up. I'd like to space him, but that's what he wants, so I should vote against that. Ostracised would be funny but there's a chance he'll still be alive down there So bugger it, voting release knowing he has to work while looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. that and he hates the morality of being spared because of his value, so yeah funny
From a story angle, on Concretta there could be a moral trust in the promise that they don't repurpose human remains for material, even if it would be pragmatic. I imagine it's a bit like the fact that (speaking as an American) some Americans prioritize our right to guns so much that any suggestion of regulation on it makes them go apesh*t because some old document promised our right to guns and so it's the principle of the matter than the guns need not be taken away, even if it would be better if we didn't have so many damn guns everywhere that are so easy to access. In a similar vein the promise to not repurpose human remains could be similarly sacrosanct and a line the people of Concretta trust their government not to cross lest there be severe backlash.
If we choose O, we seem to get an interesting addition to the story. It seems like our perspective character might get revealed soon if we choose O. If we do R or T who knows what might happen, we may loose out on a story path.
To follow up on this without editing, I do think that if we choose release, it could cause more agitation from the splinter group leading to more sections such as the Emergency Call trailer.
Dr. Keen's actions may have been well intended but that is no excuse for the murder of his fellow Medical staff and the endangerment of countless others aboard Concretta. If Keen was unaware of this lab until recently it would stand that at least a few of the people he killed were also unaware and therefore innocent of any unjust experimentation. While his expertise will be sorely missed I do not feel it would be wise to return him to his position on the ship. If some of our suspicions are correct about a larger conspiracy then we cannot risk having those who ordered the prior experimentation coercing Dr. Keen into continuing these abhorrent actions. For these reasons I am voting to Ostracize, and I would highly encourage the rest of you to do the same.
I have been really enjoying the ROT videos, thank you so much for making these! The first two were fairly easy Release votes for me but this one was a real head scratcher. Ultimately I cannot trust him to continue to serve as the head of medical, even under strict supervision. How can he reconcile trusting station security so little that he would not report these obvious crimes and turn instead to murder yet would also trust security to give him a fair trial? His morals are inconsistent. I voted to Ostracise because consigning someone to an uncertain fate is still better than the death penalty. The FIT broadcast made me consider voting to Terminate considering how little I trust that lot. But realistically the harm Keen could do to the station from the surface is realistically very little.
If we lose our only good doctor and are without one like him for 2 years, we will be mega cooked. I think we gotta release him. Edit: ERMMMMMMM... I just saw the video glitch. I don't think we should ostracize him. We don't know who exactly is sending the message.
Release. Why should he be granted the punishment he deems fit? Concretta's new medical staff needs proper training. He would live with the guilt of his own making. This wasn't a personal vendetta. He acted out of moral obligation: the previous medical specialists broke their oath when they experimented on deceased bodies. How deep does this operation run? At least if Dr. Keen is on the ship, there's a medical specialist we could, ironically, trust.
I'm gonna take a wild guess about the random thing that showed up that told us to ostracise keen, its probably from those who've been previously ostracised, asking us to bring him to them so they have a professionally trained doctor. anyway, release
Both Termination and Ostracization would only let him escape due punishment. He still has a responsibility, if not as a doctor, than simply as a citizen, to aid in the rebuilding of the Med. Division. He wants to rid Concretta of corruption? Than help train the students, teach them proper ethical procedure, and ensure that no measures like the one he committed need ever happen again. I vote Release
5:38 "You've proven you're listening" so whoever this messanger is had an interest on being heard. If anyone can find this comment listen closely. Whoever interrupted the brodcast is most likely a rebel in isolation or something like that. It couldn't be whoever was the mastermind of the experients because they dont want Keen Terminated. I'm skeptical, but I think we should take a leap of faith and do what it says.
I think that release is a better option. Yes, he did go against everything a doctor stands for. But, first he did this outside of his duty hours, so as a civilian, and second, i don't think letting him go so easely is a good thing. He killed a dozen of people and gets to do nothing to repair the damage he did? I think he must remain on ship, heavely guarded so that he can repay his crimes in a useful manner
_Someone_ has a plan, and that plan clearly requires him alive _and_ off the Concretta. If he _knows_ who "Someone" is and knows (or thinks he knows) what their plan is and doesn't want to cooperate, and/or is genuine about his moral conviction that a murderous terrorist shouldn't be allowed to live based on his social status or utility to the community, and truly believes that the way the Concretta operates is best for all (at least given current severe resource shortages) I'd say that adds up. Termination means his guilty conscience is appeased, his faith in the Concretta, its systems, and its people is restored, and "Someone" doesn't get to deny the Concretta the benefit of highly-trained medical personnel for two years _while also_ having a highly-trained doctor squirreled away out of communication with the Concretta.
I mean he said it himself if he wanted to terminate himself he would have stayed in the explosion, ending his life. Plus sitting back and letting something happen to you compared to doing the action yourself are two different things. Maybe he wanted to clear his mind and is willing to follow what we chose of him.
Ooh, this is a tough one. There are valid arguments for all three options, but in the end I think I'm going to have to vote to Terminate. Moral justification or not, it was not his place to act as judge, jury, and executioner, especially when it resulted in such widespread damage and death. I know it's giving him what he wants, but Keen is right: it's the punishment such an extreme action deserves.
I choose Ostracized we might learn about the other party and seems the best option. I think is the second best option Released but, the doctor might have "accident" leading to his termination with security. The doctor knows too much and someone with too much power will want him terminated by any means possible. If Termination we lose the only medical doctor to help out on the Concertta, any other possible information he has and let the one the doctor fears win. But, choose what you think is best just sharing my thoughts on this.
Ostracized. He cannot have an easy death. Even though he is a valuable asset to concordia, if the powers at be are the actual culprits of this heinous crime of using our loved ones bodies as tools, then if released he will be a hinderance to protect from thise forces.
I'd been leaning towards ostracization but being TOLD to do so by some nebulous faceless glitch means I'm using the key and doing as the doctor himself wants and voting termination. Congratulations faceless organization, you played yourself.
Ostracize, not just because I am a very curious cat but because Keen clearly wants to be held accountable. Besides, perhaps he could somehow give medical care to the other ostracized members.
So, this a tricky decision, but I'm going to have to go for Release. This might seem ill-advised, but let's review what we know (fair warning, this is a *LARGE* read): 1) The FIT Message- (Reposted from a point made to another commenter) Given the tone of the message, I'm betting it's possibly a society of people who were ostracized in previous ROT trials, like a lot of people are suggesting. Clearly they want him alive and on the planet for some reason, and we don't fully know why. It could be that they just need a doctor down there, or it could be something more malicious. That "Concretta Had Its Chance" message really says that they aren't open to the idea of peaceful co-existence, and Keen might be pushed to aiding in whatever plot they have cooking if we ostracize him, since we'll not only be going against his wishes, but also forcing him onto the planet, possibly leaving him embittered and in a position to help this "FIT" group, as shown in the message. If we ostracize, we not only lose potentially vital medical knowledge, but also possibly aid a splinter faction in weakening if not outright destroying Concretta. 2) Keen's position as the remaining medical professional- Ironically, thanks to Keen's own actions, Concretta only has one medical professional ready to act. Keen *has* stated that his students are or at least will be ready soon enough to assist in the now immediate need for medical care on the Concretta, but this is still an *opinion.* They may be talented, but they are still new to the field, and as such do not have the experience to operate in an emergency capacity. Keen may be one man, but he's still the only true doctor left on the station, and due to circumstances (admittedly caused by his own actions) is needed to prevent a possible medical emergency in the Concretta's future. If an outbreak or other severe medical event occurs, even more lives may be lost without experienced medical professionals. Despite the loss of life he has already caused, even more may be lost in his absence, at least until the current batch of students have been proven in the field. 3) Keen's sentence- This is the most difficult part to account for. If Keen truly is worried about setting a precedence for future ROT sentences in light of Whistle's ostracizing, then let me be clear on my stance of releasing him: this is not about pity. I'm under the personal belief that if he is to be released that he will work off his debt to Concretta's society by continuing to train future medical personnel while under close surveillance. He won't be killed, but he won't go un-punished either. He will be obligated by both his oath and his sentencing to train future personnel for the good of Concretta, thus fulfilling the need for both his punishment AND Concretta's future medical staff. And besides, the Whistle sentence was under different circumstances. Whistle killed someone not because of a moral obligation to shut down a potentially immoral/illegal science branch, but because of her personal vendetta against Officer Termins. Even if Termins *did* slant the narrative, that does not give anyone the right to kill in revenge/cold blood. What Keen did certainly doesn't give him legality to kill multiple personnel, but his circumstances *were* different. He did what he did because of a potentially illegal and immoral practice on board, while Whistle was clearly not mentally well. I have to stress that YES, he did get several medical staff killed and damaged the Concretta, and he SHOULD have contacted the appropriate personnel to look into the situation, but given the possible corruption on the Concretta AND the influence of possible splinter factions such as this "FIT" seemingly operating from the planet's surface, who is to say he would have gotten the opportunity to do so before someone found out he knew? Again, this doesn't excuse the lives lost from his actions, but it does emphasize that what Whistle and Keen did were different from each other, and applying the exact same logic to both doesn't fully line up. Keen did what he did to prevent disgusting malpractice in medical, Whistle acted in the heat of passion and wanted revenge. Honestly, this one is a difficult decision to make. I even had to re-review Whistle's case just to be sure I didn't misinterpret things from memory, but I believe releasing Keen under close supervision to train new personnel is the best course of action, both to prevent a medical catastrophe from occurring, and to prevent this "FIT" from enacting permanent harm to the Concretta.
As much as I’d love to abide Keen’s wishes of termination and deliver justice, I feel that Ostracize would be a better choice for him. Can’t really say why, but I don’t think he’d like to continue living on the ship after what he just did, but I certainly don’t want him to die. I can’t only hope for the best for him, whatever choice is picked in the end.
Damn it, True, this isn’t even your tri-wait a minute is he in trouble AGAIN!? Edit: WAIT A MINUTE! TRUE SAID IN AN EARLIER ROT THE MEDICAL STAFF WAS SHIFTY! DOES HE KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT ALL THIS!?
Oof, this is a tough one. Yes, Keen shouldn't have played judge/jury/executioner... but still... Is it possible to Release him for a time until all the students are trained enough? And who is wishing for the good doctor to be Ostracized so badly? Also, hello again, Mr. True.
From the perspective of a station resident, it seems to me that the best choice is to Release. I understand his desire to be punished for what he did, but as stated, he is the only legitimate doctor at the station. And we need someone to guide the students. Please just watch out for him so that he doesn't cause further harm to others and himself.
I vote release. There are too many lives on the ship at risk if Dr. Keen is jettisoned or sent planetside. We can talk justice, morality and personal obligations all we want, but Dr. Keen is needed for the health and safety of everyone, weather we or he like it or not.
the dud should work off his debt of guilt first with training up a new crew of medical staff, can always be send down to surface or terminated at a later date, if still wishes so for himself at that point.
Dr. Keen I'm sorry, but your continued life aboard the ship will help students stay safe. You are one of the few people who might recognize the warning signs of anything suspicious happening to or around the students. I wouldn't feel safe with the risk that one of the people teaching the students could have been involved with the creation of the lab. At least I know you have faith in the students
i am voting release, mostly out of mere pragmatism than anything else. Whatever happened, its bigger than Dr. Keen himself; and while the doctor's actions were beyond reckless, it would equally reckless to rely on automated systems for Concretta's medical needs. While release is not the proper outcome, it would be if either ostracize or termination would follow after the training of new doctors. Its kind of ironic that the very acts that would condemn someone (And someone very enthusiastic about being condemned at that) would just end saving him. Also, i am not trusting the hackers, for all that we now they were involved on the illegal lab.
Missed the last one (I need to escape the doldrums, I swear that rock of procrastination exists somewhere in my house, I will destroy it) Oh well, fate’s taloned hand hovers over you keen
Curiouser and curiouser... I'm curious if this FIT group is actually a group not on the Concretta, but on the planet itself. If they were a group of people left behind and/or ostracized, it woud make sense to want Dr. Keen to get ostracized and to join them. To have someone with such expertise and resolve would surely boost their survivability and morale.
Concretta will need to train more specialists either way, but what about those ostracized to that mining planet? I bet they could probably use a medical professional as well.
There's a serious problem here: If Dr. Keen's allegations are true and there are forces on the station conspiring, Releasing him would expose him (and others) to additional danger should they seek reprisal. What happens if that happens while educating his students?
Indeed. Olivia committed murder solely for personal vengeance, while Elias committed fraud for the benefit of the people. We were all pretty confident in the severity of the crime, as well as the value of the individual.
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I voted release before watching. Doing the right thing sometimes comes at the cost of others and ones self.
I will also vote release, however I believe he will get terminated by someone hacking the system! Officer Medina, stay vigilant!
people of concretta WE HAVE GOTTEN EXTREMELY BETTER AT ASKING QUESTIONS!!!
And yet nobody thought to try and figure out if the explosion was a cover for something.
@@RaccoonRevolution If it was, do you think Keen would admit it? Like we ask and he says "shucks you got me! I'm a big ol' liar pants.". If you think we should have been more indirect, what would have been crucial to ask with limited questions?
But we can be better
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I vote release. Partially out of spite for the mysterious probably evil planetside hacker group that probably needs Keen because he's a medical officer, but mostly because we need him.
1. Using Ms. Whistle as an example was a bad idea, we all saw that Rot, she committed an act of murder and did a job that could be EASILY replaced. Ostracized because of her actions and so she could be with her husband.
2. Relying on students to take up the position of medical personnel would be an excellent way to ensure that people with life-threatening illness, tumors, things that need careful surgery and specialists to ensure survival, die. Dr. Keen may really hate the idea of setting a precedent, but I ought to point out that precedent doesn't matter with the ROT system, who got terminated for a crime once could have a prisoner freed one day. The citizens of Concretta know full well, as older cycle members likely remember prior ROT's where an individual who used to deal drugs... for example, might have been Ostracized for such crimes, while we Released one not too long ago.
Last thing, I think we really need to have a Q&A system implemented at some point, so citizens can ask Officer Medina questions about the station at large without someone's LIFE hanging in the balance, because we will likely want some info on who just hacked the ROT broadcast, and would really like not asking the question when it does not apply to the ROT at hand.
I understand the Call to ROT has been coming in more and more often, but if there is any time between broadcasts that could be used for the betterment of Concretta, I put it forward as a suggestion.
Dr Keen is guilty, and he should be punished by forcing him to help with training. It's not a second chance. It's not forgiveness. I vote Release.
What a good point, the only thing nobody wants is really probably the best thing for Concretta at this moment.
"So as long as I'm useful enough I can do whatever I want..."
@@Machiniacal No, as long as there is literally no other option.
@@lucas23453 exactly is he stupid
As a frequent patient with elderly parents and disabled brothers, I have no choice but to vote release. Didn't like the guy even before all this happened, but who am I supposed to go to for managing my family's meds dosages now? The maintenance guy?? Let him work off his debt to society teaching a new medical staff. No easy out for him, I say. Hell I'll even attend the class myself if I have to.
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"Understand something for the rest of the citizens, *Scott*" - oh my goodness are we flirting right now?
I'm still leaning towards release, especially now that we're aware that a foreign agent has a vested interest in Dr. Keen's ostracizing. Something tells me that things aren't NEARLY as quiet on the planet below as many would like to believe.
Either way, time to answer the call.
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@@spiderbits2923 HEY NOW LET'S NOT GET HASTY
You're not wrong about the foreign agent, thing is I think we need more information before we determine who's the right side here. Are we trusting Concretta is on the up and up? Why? Because they say so? I'm starting to think our questions might have severe impact on the amount of information we get, and this story could have different endings depending on what we learn and who we side with. I think we should use our questions carefully and really consider when we're handed an opportunity to gleam more information. We know this foreign agent has means of communicating to us, maybe we need to expend a question or keep an ear out for an opportunity to talk to them again and see if they can make their case why we should trust them and not Concretta.
Ah yes "concretta had its chance" is a spiteful outsider alright. Nobody onboard would say that
@@therealquade The fact that insignia of theirs had a pickaxe leads me to believe they got some form of old comms equipment from the mining days working.
I’m so happy my question got in! Also it was nice seeing references/cameos of the previous ROT cases
Honestly I'm just happy we saw True, which debunks the theory that all the options are just a glorified "Terminate" button.
As for what I'm voting, I'm leaning on Ostrasize. Command aside, I don't want people to feel like they can get away with committing terrorism, and I don't want to give the perpetrator EXACTLY what he wanted. I am leaning slightly more towards release since his expertise is important, but lets face it, he's not going to give any useful teaching after this. We'd have to pry it out of him and, at that point, we may as well just use textbooks.
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I respect this guy's wishes and they didn't give me this big red button just to look at.
Well due they didn't make the buttons bright colors. This is life and death.
I synthesize the medicine here, and I don't know thing ONE about making a diagnosis. What am I supposed to do with a triage bay full of medical students and no presiding doctor? Might as well flush these supplies!
@@Lawsonomy1 I mean…I know a guy who could take those off your hands.
I vote for Release. Not only do we now need medical staff urgently but I have a feeling the doctor might have some ideas as to who would have that...corpse farm set up.
This episode DOES set a precedent for former ROT convicts to return in future episodes if there is valuable insight from their input. That said, if we need to hear from the Doc again, it's not impossible to think Concretta could try to find him on the planet if we opted for Ostracize. Hm, this is a tricky choice.
While I'm not super jazzed about releasing someone who decompression-ed people to death, Concretta needs a specialist doctor! Diseases and health conditions aren't just going to politely wait 2 years until we get another specialist. In a way this ensures that Dr. Keen repays his debt to society. Ensuring that the ship stays healthy until someone else is ready to take over.
Also, did anyone else see thay glitch happen? Think it said to ostracize Keen? Weird it would ask us to ostracize him and not terminate ... you guys don't think there really is some society down there? I mean... I'd imagine they'd need a doctor after a while ...
Regardless I don't like being told what to do so my vote remains to release Keen.
I think it's a Rebel group that have been sentenced to Ostracize. No doubt they are extremists, but this isn't a black and white situation. If these rebels want Keen.... well it's not the right thing to do, but I won't deny that I would like to see what happens....
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Yes, I'll admit that this case has certainly been ... eye opening on some potential goings on. I mean I've never really been one to put full trust in an authority so I'm not surprised at the idea of some corrupt things going on with the highest ranked people (though I'm sure no one was prepared to hear about the human soap...)
Regardless if Keen gets ostracize the citizens on the ship loose access to a fully trained doctor. And even if the ostracized are still alive down there we on the ship should take priority... right?
@Nublet864 Didn't Keen say his students were ready?
Yes, but also the red bar is the Terminate one, not Ostracise! Someone wants him dead, and someone wants him on the planet!
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Officially none of his students will be qualified until 2 more years of training and studying
He says they are capable of taking over for him, but i hesitate to take the man who wants to be terminated word for it
The doctor really wants to be punished. But that would just bring everyone down losing as many medical support without him.
I'd say we eventually send him away but after the situation cools down and stability is brought back
Unfortunately, we can only pick one of three extreme choices.
...and I'm now firmly and securely invested in this world you've crafted...
I'm voting Ostracized, not necessarily because it was 'commanded' of me, but because it seems the fairest thing to do in this case. As established in the Whistle case, ostracization is essentially a protracted form of death anyway; and as he said himself, when taken in the round, he and Whistle committed the same crime, so should they not have the same punishment in turn?
I agree. Whistle's case was us setting a precedent, and the doctor made a very valid point regarding it. Similarly, both cases involved murder out of a twisted sense of justice that we can sympathize with. Ostracization is the closest thing we can give to mercy without condoning their actions.
@@gidgetgal7245funnily true. I remember I voted release for Mrs Whistle, yet saw how fast the watcher’s hand went to the ostracize button. Clearly, Dr. Keener wants to die, yet the group that displayed the broadcast wants to sway us into ostracizing him. But I don’t think that will happen.
Of my own choice, I will vote to ostracize Dr Keener. But the end result is out of my hands.
I think release. The station, no matter how insular it is, needs the medical training to continue. He made a call that i think many people would have in the situation, however heinous it ended up being. Its not because of his value, but because in his shoes, many would have done the same. Its different from whatshername because hers was a personal vendeta, his was a moral obligation
He said it himself the people who ran the experiments have to be very powerful whats to say they wont kidnap him and torture him to death a few days after he is released?
I’m continually amazed by how compelling this series is. So many details and twists that muddy the waters for how each case should be addressed. Really great stuff
EYYYYY MY QUESTION WORKED!!! You got it, weird pink guys! O it is!
But brother they don’t want to safe out ship. “We had our chance.” Seems a bit threatening right?
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Well, thank you Elizabethk007. Your question was the same as mine and gave me everything that I needed to know. All of the victims were part of the conspiracy that have gone against the ethos of the station. I will vote for Release to give Dr. Keen 1 vigilante excuse.
...One. Next time, I expect him to actually go to the proper authorities.
Glad it helped with your decision!
I've already cast my vote, but I'd like to put in a word of caution after seeing the Reaction to the thought that Mr. True could have been involved
As soon as the public's knee-jerk reaction to someone doing something is "Impossible"... that's exactly who you should be watching. If you've filed them as Not A Player, that's a person escaping scrutiny.
If you never search under your bed, you'll never find things that fell beneath it. We. Must. Look.
True mentioned the Doctors were shady when he was up to R.O.T, even if he’s not involved he may have sniffed around something important.
True showing up in this episode does set the precedent that former ROT convicts can appear again to give relevant insight on future episodes. That said, that ability could also be used against us if a malicious person with a vested interest in keeping this conspiracy under wraps was allowed to continue operating. We should take caution to be careful who we're keeping around the station.
Duly noted. The fact that there was some shadowy authority figure "bruising" him lends credence that there is more to come. There are shenanigans aboard this station, and all players need to be scrutinized.
At first I was on the board with Release. A medical professional is a valuable asset. But then I got to thinking. Ostracizing isn't a 100% death sentence. It is essentially, yes. But from what they've shown us. Thinking further I honestly believe... The people on the surface who were ostracized need some help if they want to survive. And a Medical Professional is a valuable asset.
I was voting ostracized anyway for the same reason he brought up with the last murder, and he doesn't get to decide his fate. But now some cryptic secret organization messages trying to tell me what to do! I'm voting o because of my own reasons!
SAME I got bare annoyed
But the red bar that has appeared is for Terminate...
Ostracized. He still need to be punished for his crime, no matter how justified it was, and at least this might lead to some good down on the planet since I doubt they have any doctors down there.
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I think it would be most effective to allow Dr. Keen to continue his work as a medical specialist for the period of time (est. 2 years) during which new students will be completing their education and training. Perhaps a secondary trial could be carried out after that time, though I am not sure if allowing the ROT system to posthumously change its results would set the best precedent. In my true opinion, he should be Ostracized. My vote, however, is for Release.
I think the whole concept of this series is awesome! Also the fact that out choices affect the series in both the short term and the long term is really awesome
Voted O.
Reason: He has chosen to be judged and face punishment over any reconstruction. That attitude is a bigger threat then a bomb. May he help the mining colony survive.
While Whistle and Keen did commit the same kind of crime (although Dr. Keen's victim count is much higher), what differs is the motive and the attitude of the accused. Whistle's motive was a selfish one, and from the evidence we got her judgment was flawed, her anger was misguided, and her victim was innocent - plus she asked to be released because she believed she was justified. Dr. Keen uncovered a massive ethics violation that has far-reaching implications and in order to prevent this from happening any longer, he weighed his options and made a choice that he acknowledges should result in his death. Vigilante justice shouldn't be encouraged, but if literally every other medical specialist was part of it, then who could he reliably report it to? He was put into a terrible situation. I'm voting release.
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Dr. Keen clearly has a strong moral standing. One that would be waisted by jettisoning or otherwise removing him. His actions may seem extreme, but I believe he merely took the only actions he could to ensure the safety and wellbeing of the people. As Keen said, if a higher up was behind the experiments, then reporting the lab would have resulted in nothing, and if it one of his peers was to blame then the problem has been removed. I believe the ends do justify the means in this particular case. Circumstances surrounding the case matter! I vote for release!
We have to release him for the sole reason that he is the last experienced doctor
But what about the message we got?
@@aisnota5192We don't know how many people were sent down and what jobs they were doing on the station. Maybe they need a doctor.
@@aisnota5192 Circumstantial evidence indicates that people sentenced to ostracism have created a community/communities on the planet and need medics.
@@aisnota5192we don’t negotiate with terrorist
@@aisnota5192 Given the tone of the message, I'm betting it's possibly a society of people who were ostracized in previous ROT trials, like a lot of people are suggesting. Clearly they want him alive and on the planet for some reason, and we don't fully know why. It could be that they just need a doctor down there, or it could be something more malicious. That "Concretta Had Its Chance" message really says that they aren't open to the idea of peaceful co-existence, and Keen might be pushed to aiding in whatever plot they have cooking if we ostracize him, since we'll not only be going against his wishes, but also forcing him onto the planet, possibly leaving him embittered and in a position to help this "FIT" group, as shown in the message. If we ostracize, we not only lose potentially vital medical knowledge, but also possibly aid a splinter faction in weakening if not outright destroying Concretta.
My petty ass says ostracized. Not because he deserves it, but more because Concretta is going to shit.
The last person we released is clearly still being supervised. And if Dr. Keem is released, he might be coerced into doing something against his personal code as the only professional left.
It would be an absolute waste for him to be terminated as much as he feels like he deserves it. The world or in this case, the ship, needs more people that care about humanity which it clearly does not. Enough to have an experimental wing. I feel there is a sector on the planet that would better appreciate his skills. If Concretta doesn't want him, he definitely can find other people to help.
Yes, our home is truly being warped, but we can’t just send people to their probable death just because there’s a possibility that a fairer society has been built down on the surface…
…but I’m happy that there’s another citizen who has seen through our leaders’ charade. Our votes may be different, but I’m glad to know there’s more of us.
Release. His value to the whole is more important than the sins on his hands. Punishment is living with his deeds and penance through saving the lives of those who reside on the ship. His hell will be in his own mind.
...Ostracize. That is my vote.
It really is the fairest thing to do.
No further questions.
(OOC: at first I was like "okay, no way should we do what the purple text says, because that's a good way to become wrapped up in a bad evil scheme." But then I was like "But if we don't get wrapped up in whatever this is, there's no story." So uhhhh despite the moral dilemma, I am going to vote Ostracize because it seems to be where the plot wants us to go, and I wanna know what the plot is. However, I also would probably have gone for Ostracize even if there was no message. Releasing not only doesn't seem right given the severity of the crime, but I don't trust Keen to be able to carry out any of his duties properly given the mental state he's in. But I also am kind of making it a goal to never vote "terminate" unless I really think it's extremely needed to prevent further harm...or proceed with the story. I don't really believe in the capital punishment in general, and folks don't have to agree with me, but this is a case where Keen doesn't seem like he would reoffend, so I don't see the point in killing him beyond the fact that he requested it. And hey, it's a punishment. If he asked to be terminated, would giving him what he wants be a punishment? Nah. O is my final answer.)
(Also OOC: sidebar, WHY IS ELIAS TRUE STILL THE MOST ICONIC CHARACTER IN THE SERIES FULLY TWO ARCS AFTER HIS VERDICT? THANK you for animating an entire freaking cameo of him just to sass off. I love him so much. Even if he does become a menace to society, I will never regret voting to release him purely because he is just a joy of a character to have around in the fictional context.)
I think there's room to try and glean information on who this foreign entity is before we trust them. I say we should try to ask a question that subtly implores them to contact us again and make their case why Concretta is beyond support and why we should trust them instead.
Also, there could still be a story if we don't do what the intruding group says. I imagine this is a story that could have different endings depending on our choices and who we decide to support during it.
For the good of Concretta, we need to release him
Having worked with recent medical graduates, it is hard to have confidence in new doctors let alone medical students. It will take quite a while for new graduates to gain practical experience, especially without guidance from an experienced doctor. As much as it would hurt to set a bad precedent it might help the community more to release Dr. Keen.
Then again without other doctors to assist Dr. Keen his help might not be as impactful, considering that being head of medicine doesn't mean he is specialized in all aspects of health care.
I voted for the release of Ms. Whistle last time, I'll still do for Dr. Keen.
I do not trust whoever is running Concretta nor the Splinter Group. I will however trust in a doctor who will indeed teach the new specialist and therefore ingrained in them the missing morality those who've been lost in the explosion.
I'd vote O only as a hope of paying for his sins in the chance of saving someone else's life on planetside.
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Just voted. Also, man, I am gonna need that background soundtrack, it's so good 10/10
Hm.
O, I have faith that medical students will be able to lead where others may have failed.
Release - We can't send our only medical officer on the ship away, especially after a huge disaster (albeit, one caused by him.)
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It boils down to Honor vs Pragmatism, and whether or not the interference can be trusted... To quote a particular trading card focused indie game: Sacrifices. Must. Be. Made.
P.S. the game I'm referencing is Inscryption
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We have to get the “All ROT Achievement.”
I feel like the doctor is missing the larger context to this. He didn't do this out of petty or unjust reason. The people he got rid of would have been taken to ROT and immediately been terminated anyway. That's only if they weren't being protected by someone higher up as well.
Keen did his job, excised disease from the colony, and he shouldn't be terminated or ostracized for it.
I certainly don't trust the signal personally. There might be problems with the colony, but the signal could be from the planet and group made exclusively of those who have been ostracized, so they wouldn't have good intentions for those that voted for them.
Ostracize, not out of morality but more due to a morbid curiosity as to what happens if we do give in to...whatever is contacting us. I'm also fascinated by the "Concretta had it's chance" thing. While you could argue that the point is to literally kill the citizens of Concretta by getting rid of their one doctor, I also like to entertain the idea that they're some kind of revolutionary organization, perhaps one made by the rejected residents of the mining planet. In this case I'd say they admire the doctor for his sense of "justice" and seek to recruit him to their cause. Now as for the cause itself, I don't know their ideology but I think it's not hard to say that Concretta's society does have structural evils in it's organization. Release if you want to play it safe, but I'm fascinated by what a true upheaval to this system could mean.
I vote release, the student who was guilty did what she di out of wraith, dr. Keen did it because he had no choice
there is a society down there they want a MEDIC do not give those brutes a medic
This is a tough choice.
If someone higher up was really involved in said lab, then there is no certainty that something wouldn't happen to the doctor if released as an act of vengeance or said person finding a way to coerce him into starting another unethical laboratory.
But there are no other trained medical specialists and that seriously jeopardizes the safety of the ship.
If we're being fair, Ostracizing is the punishment given last time for someone who has a personal vendetta rather than feeling a moral obligation to stop something that going through normal channels might've proven fruitless.
Termination is what he desires, but that also shows he does have some sense of justice or conscience about what happened.
All things considered, Ostracize. Maybe he can be of help to whatever society is Planetside and will be beyond the reach of anyone who might've been behind the lab.
Hmm, seems like those who were ostracized have been able to interfere with the station, in some way.
I wonder if it's prudent to feed more competent people to the clearly present and organized group down in the planet below?
That heavily depends on who we think are the "good guys" here. I'm going to reserve judgement but not entirely trust the foreign interference unless and until they make a case to us what their mission statement is and why we should side with them over Concretta, and then decide who I think passes the vibe test.
This is hard. Our vote can shake the legal system itself.
I vote terminate. Reasoning: It is unlikely that he didn't know about the lab, since he is the top head of medical, and given its scale. He might have actually been the one to set it up, since he had the most means available to him to do so. The most likely explanation as to what happened is that he got into some kind of disagreement with one or more of his peers and they threatened to expose him. So he blew up the lab with everyone in it who had inside knowledge, thus ensuring anyone else who knew about it would be killed and blown into space, leaving him as the only one with the knowledge of its existence. His "terminate me" statements show just how manipulative he is. If he was true to his word, he would just tell people to judge him accordingly and leave it up to each person voting to make their own judgement. By telling people to terminate him and reasoning that it's the most "just" thing to do, he sways opinion to having people vote for him to live. Even if none of the above is true, then he did judge many people and execute them himself. So, vote is for termination.
Honestly, sounds grizzly but I'm fine with the lab. Resources are scarce in space, they had a good thing going and he blew it up.
I'd like to space him, but that's what he wants, so I should vote against that.
Ostracised would be funny but there's a chance he'll still be alive down there
So bugger it, voting release knowing he has to work while looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. that and he hates the morality of being spared because of his value, so yeah funny
From a story angle, on Concretta there could be a moral trust in the promise that they don't repurpose human remains for material, even if it would be pragmatic. I imagine it's a bit like the fact that (speaking as an American) some Americans prioritize our right to guns so much that any suggestion of regulation on it makes them go apesh*t because some old document promised our right to guns and so it's the principle of the matter than the guns need not be taken away, even if it would be better if we didn't have so many damn guns everywhere that are so easy to access. In a similar vein the promise to not repurpose human remains could be similarly sacrosanct and a line the people of Concretta trust their government not to cross lest there be severe backlash.
If we choose O, we seem to get an interesting addition to the story. It seems like our perspective character might get revealed soon if we choose O.
If we do R or T who knows what might happen, we may loose out on a story path.
To follow up on this without editing, I do think that if we choose release, it could cause more agitation from the splinter group leading to more sections such as the Emergency Call trailer.
Concretta The rot system is flawed! Down with Rot, fight back Release the doctor. We can still make a better tomorrow on the Concretta!
Dr. Keen's actions may have been well intended but that is no excuse for the murder of his fellow Medical staff and the endangerment of countless others aboard Concretta. If Keen was unaware of this lab until recently it would stand that at least a few of the people he killed were also unaware and therefore innocent of any unjust experimentation.
While his expertise will be sorely missed I do not feel it would be wise to return him to his position on the ship. If some of our suspicions are correct about a larger conspiracy then we cannot risk having those who ordered the prior experimentation coercing Dr. Keen into continuing these abhorrent actions.
For these reasons I am voting to Ostracize, and I would highly encourage the rest of you to do the same.
I have been really enjoying the ROT videos, thank you so much for making these!
The first two were fairly easy Release votes for me but this one was a real head scratcher. Ultimately I cannot trust him to continue to serve as the head of medical, even under strict supervision. How can he reconcile trusting station security so little that he would not report these obvious crimes and turn instead to murder yet would also trust security to give him a fair trial? His morals are inconsistent.
I voted to Ostracise because consigning someone to an uncertain fate is still better than the death penalty. The FIT broadcast made me consider voting to Terminate considering how little I trust that lot. But realistically the harm Keen could do to the station from the surface is realistically very little.
ive been waiting for this for a long time
If we lose our only good doctor and are without one like him for 2 years, we will be mega cooked. I think we gotta release him.
Edit: ERMMMMMMM... I just saw the video glitch. I don't think we should ostracize him. We don't know who exactly is sending the message.
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Release. Why should he be granted the punishment he deems fit? Concretta's new medical staff needs proper training. He would live with the guilt of his own making.
This wasn't a personal vendetta. He acted out of moral obligation: the previous medical specialists broke their oath when they experimented on deceased bodies. How deep does this operation run? At least if Dr. Keen is on the ship, there's a medical specialist we could, ironically, trust.
I'm gonna take a wild guess about the random thing that showed up that told us to ostracise keen, its probably from those who've been previously ostracised, asking us to bring him to them so they have a professionally trained doctor.
anyway, release
Both Termination and Ostracization would only let him escape due punishment. He still has a responsibility, if not as a doctor, than simply as a citizen, to aid in the rebuilding of the Med. Division. He wants to rid Concretta of corruption? Than help train the students, teach them proper ethical procedure, and ensure that no measures like the one he committed need ever happen again. I vote Release
5:38 "You've proven you're listening" so whoever this messanger is had an interest on being heard.
If anyone can find this comment listen closely.
Whoever interrupted the brodcast is most likely a rebel in isolation or something like that. It couldn't be whoever was the mastermind of the experients because they dont want Keen Terminated. I'm skeptical, but I think we should take a leap of faith and do what it says.
He's got a "holier than thou" vibe, but I have to vote to release the doc.
I think that release is a better option. Yes, he did go against everything a doctor stands for. But, first he did this outside of his duty hours, so as a civilian, and second, i don't think letting him go so easely is a good thing. He killed a dozen of people and gets to do nothing to repair the damage he did? I think he must remain on ship, heavely guarded so that he can repay his crimes in a useful manner
The people behind the experiments are powerful and they are most likely high up in the station so if he is released he will just get killed any way
I have fulfilled my duties as a citizen and voted 👍
I’m beginning to wonder…is termination really just death? If he wants termination but wouldn’t kill himself if released…it doesn’t add up
_Someone_ has a plan, and that plan clearly requires him alive _and_ off the Concretta.
If he _knows_ who "Someone" is and knows (or thinks he knows) what their plan is and doesn't want to cooperate, and/or is genuine about his moral conviction that a murderous terrorist shouldn't be allowed to live based on his social status or utility to the community, and truly believes that the way the Concretta operates is best for all (at least given current severe resource shortages) I'd say that adds up.
Termination means his guilty conscience is appeased, his faith in the Concretta, its systems, and its people is restored, and "Someone" doesn't get to deny the Concretta the benefit of highly-trained medical personnel for two years _while also_ having a highly-trained doctor squirreled away out of communication with the Concretta.
I mean he said it himself if he wanted to terminate himself he would have stayed in the explosion, ending his life. Plus sitting back and letting something happen to you compared to doing the action yourself are two different things. Maybe he wanted to clear his mind and is willing to follow what we chose of him.
Ooh, this is a tough one. There are valid arguments for all three options, but in the end I think I'm going to have to vote to Terminate. Moral justification or not, it was not his place to act as judge, jury, and executioner, especially when it resulted in such widespread damage and death. I know it's giving him what he wants, but Keen is right: it's the punishment such an extreme action deserves.
I choose Ostracized we might learn about the other party and seems the best option. I think is the second best option Released but, the doctor might have "accident" leading to his termination with security. The doctor knows too much and someone with too much power will want him terminated by any means possible. If Termination we lose the only medical doctor to help out on the Concertta, any other possible information he has and let the one the doctor fears win.
But, choose what you think is best just sharing my thoughts on this.
I think you’re right. We don’t know how high up this corruption goes, and it’s pretty likely Keen could end up dead if he gets released.
Ostracized. He cannot have an easy death. Even though he is a valuable asset to concordia, if the powers at be are the actual culprits of this heinous crime of using our loved ones bodies as tools, then if released he will be a hinderance to protect from thise forces.
Release him, station needs specialist in medical field.
I'd been leaning towards ostracization but being TOLD to do so by some nebulous faceless glitch means I'm using the key and doing as the doctor himself wants and voting termination. Congratulations faceless organization, you played yourself.
Ostracize, not just because I am a very curious cat but because Keen clearly wants to be held accountable. Besides, perhaps he could somehow give medical care to the other ostracized members.
So, this a tricky decision, but I'm going to have to go for Release. This might seem ill-advised, but let's review what we know (fair warning, this is a *LARGE* read):
1) The FIT Message- (Reposted from a point made to another commenter) Given the tone of the message, I'm betting it's possibly a society of people who were ostracized in previous ROT trials, like a lot of people are suggesting. Clearly they want him alive and on the planet for some reason, and we don't fully know why. It could be that they just need a doctor down there, or it could be something more malicious. That "Concretta Had Its Chance" message really says that they aren't open to the idea of peaceful co-existence, and Keen might be pushed to aiding in whatever plot they have cooking if we ostracize him, since we'll not only be going against his wishes, but also forcing him onto the planet, possibly leaving him embittered and in a position to help this "FIT" group, as shown in the message. If we ostracize, we not only lose potentially vital medical knowledge, but also possibly aid a splinter faction in weakening if not outright destroying Concretta.
2) Keen's position as the remaining medical professional- Ironically, thanks to Keen's own actions, Concretta only has one medical professional ready to act. Keen *has* stated that his students are or at least will be ready soon enough to assist in the now immediate need for medical care on the Concretta, but this is still an *opinion.* They may be talented, but they are still new to the field, and as such do not have the experience to operate in an emergency capacity. Keen may be one man, but he's still the only true doctor left on the station, and due to circumstances (admittedly caused by his own actions) is needed to prevent a possible medical emergency in the Concretta's future. If an outbreak or other severe medical event occurs, even more lives may be lost without experienced medical professionals. Despite the loss of life he has already caused, even more may be lost in his absence, at least until the current batch of students have been proven in the field.
3) Keen's sentence- This is the most difficult part to account for. If Keen truly is worried about setting a precedence for future ROT sentences in light of Whistle's ostracizing, then let me be clear on my stance of releasing him: this is not about pity. I'm under the personal belief that if he is to be released that he will work off his debt to Concretta's society by continuing to train future medical personnel while under close surveillance. He won't be killed, but he won't go un-punished either. He will be obligated by both his oath and his sentencing to train future personnel for the good of Concretta, thus fulfilling the need for both his punishment AND Concretta's future medical staff. And besides, the Whistle sentence was under different circumstances. Whistle killed someone not because of a moral obligation to shut down a potentially immoral/illegal science branch, but because of her personal vendetta against Officer Termins. Even if Termins *did* slant the narrative, that does not give anyone the right to kill in revenge/cold blood. What Keen did certainly doesn't give him legality to kill multiple personnel, but his circumstances *were* different. He did what he did because of a potentially illegal and immoral practice on board, while Whistle was clearly not mentally well. I have to stress that YES, he did get several medical staff killed and damaged the Concretta, and he SHOULD have contacted the appropriate personnel to look into the situation, but given the possible corruption on the Concretta AND the influence of possible splinter factions such as this "FIT" seemingly operating from the planet's surface, who is to say he would have gotten the opportunity to do so before someone found out he knew? Again, this doesn't excuse the lives lost from his actions, but it does emphasize that what Whistle and Keen did were different from each other, and applying the exact same logic to both doesn't fully line up. Keen did what he did to prevent disgusting malpractice in medical, Whistle acted in the heat of passion and wanted revenge.
Honestly, this one is a difficult decision to make. I even had to re-review Whistle's case just to be sure I didn't misinterpret things from memory, but I believe releasing Keen under close supervision to train new personnel is the best course of action, both to prevent a medical catastrophe from occurring, and to prevent this "FIT" from enacting permanent harm to the Concretta.
As much as I’d love to abide Keen’s wishes of termination and deliver justice, I feel that Ostracize would be a better choice for him. Can’t really say why, but I don’t think he’d like to continue living on the ship after what he just did, but I certainly don’t want him to die. I can’t only hope for the best for him, whatever choice is picked in the end.
Damn it, True, this isn’t even your tri-wait a minute is he in trouble AGAIN!?
Edit: WAIT A MINUTE! TRUE SAID IN AN EARLIER ROT THE MEDICAL STAFF WAS SHIFTY! DOES HE KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT ALL THIS!?
Oof, this is a tough one. Yes, Keen shouldn't have played judge/jury/executioner... but still...
Is it possible to Release him for a time until all the students are trained enough?
And who is wishing for the good doctor to be Ostracized so badly?
Also, hello again, Mr. True.
I have never seen this before but it's so cool
From the perspective of a station resident, it seems to me that the best choice is to Release. I understand his desire to be punished for what he did, but as stated, he is the only legitimate doctor at the station. And we need someone to guide the students. Please just watch out for him so that he doesn't cause further harm to others and himself.
Understood. Thy will be done, hacker. Let's make some changes around here, for weal or woe.
Hold the phone, SO tyhere IS a faction group
I vote release. There are too many lives on the ship at risk if Dr. Keen is jettisoned or sent planetside. We can talk justice, morality and personal obligations all we want, but Dr. Keen is needed for the health and safety of everyone, weather we or he like it or not.
yay I’ve been waiting for this
This security chief needs to be retrained. Or jettisoned.
the dud should work off his debt of guilt first with training up a new crew of medical staff, can always be send down to surface or terminated at a later date, if still wishes so for himself at that point.
Dr. Keen I'm sorry, but your continued life aboard the ship will help students stay safe. You are one of the few people who might recognize the warning signs of anything suspicious happening to or around the students. I wouldn't feel safe with the risk that one of the people teaching the students could have been involved with the creation of the lab. At least I know you have faith in the students
i am voting release, mostly out of mere pragmatism than anything else.
Whatever happened, its bigger than Dr. Keen himself; and while the doctor's actions were beyond reckless, it would equally reckless to rely on automated systems for Concretta's medical needs. While release is not the proper outcome, it would be if either ostracize or termination would follow after the training of new doctors. Its kind of ironic that the very acts that would condemn someone (And someone very enthusiastic about being condemned at that) would just end saving him.
Also, i am not trusting the hackers, for all that we now they were involved on the illegal lab.
I vote release he deserves a second chance and i want to be on the willing side plus we are going to need a doctor if thing get out of hand.
Missed the last one (I need to escape the doldrums, I swear that rock of procrastination exists somewhere in my house, I will destroy it) Oh well, fate’s taloned hand hovers over you keen
I will never *FIT* in…I’m autistic, after all
MR.TRUE!!!! I MISSED YOU!!! AHHH!!!
6:17 Elias True!!!
Curiouser and curiouser... I'm curious if this FIT group is actually a group not on the Concretta, but on the planet itself. If they were a group of people left behind and/or ostracized, it woud make sense to want Dr. Keen to get ostracized and to join them. To have someone with such expertise and resolve would surely boost their survivability and morale.
The pickaxe says to me they’ve managed to find and/or repair some of the old mining colony’s comms equipment
Concretta will need to train more specialists either way, but what about those ostracized to that mining planet? I bet they could probably use a medical professional as well.
loved seeing Elias True again by the way. he's such a fun character lol
this do be a toughie
I vote Release
RELEASE. Don't be sorry. Be better.
Hold up! Did True get arrested again?
Pretty sure he's still on probation.
There's a serious problem here: If Dr. Keen's allegations are true and there are forces on the station conspiring, Releasing him would expose him (and others) to additional danger should they seek reprisal. What happens if that happens while educating his students?
3:15 Wow. I'm new here.... you guys voted to Ostracize her and Release Mr. Elias True?
Indeed. Olivia committed murder solely for personal vengeance, while Elias committed fraud for the benefit of the people. We were all pretty confident in the severity of the crime, as well as the value of the individual.