Well, switching from one grip to the other it's possible, but other than that. False edge parries with the handshake grip are good at longer ranges, otherwise you develop a gap in the zone of the right elbow where things tend to get stuck (especially thrusts). So well, distance management, but if the opponent is close, you need to parry with the true edge, or change grip.
Hi, what do you think of traditional Fiorists saying you should not use the thumb grip since it's not what Fiore showed in the manuscript and it's a bad idea ? Sure, for tournaments, you use whatever works but i just wanna hear your thoughts
Well, the only way to make work the roverso mezzano with the false edge in a good way (so not clumsy) is by thumbing the flat of the handle/blade (depending at which height your hand is positioned on the handle). So, as for many things in fencing, certain actions in the manual ends up being better with a grip (The punta falsa punta curta, for example, in which in a certain way you even distinguish some kind of thumb grip in the drawing themselves) and others are better with the other. So that POV is wrong in my opinion, it's true that a good 75/80% of the actions tend to be easier with the handshake, but you need to transition to do the others. The whole thing about the "German grip" happens to be simply because German explain this grip clearly, because for them is more prominent and important for certain actions. It doesn't makes it exclusive or special, otherwise. In a weapon with the handle as simple as a longsword, moving the hand and thumb is quite easy, and the hand has to be soft and mobile most of the time while fencing, to get good at fencing. But to compare this to something later, Thibault does something "really german" in his way of gripping the Rapier, basically reinventing Destreza because of this... But funny enough, for some actions, he had to explain a complex grip transition, because otherwise it would be hard or impossible to hit with the edge. Long story short, both in fencing and in the interpretive work, rarely absolutes tend to be good, or real.
@@FedericoMalagutti Very insightful. But I do have to say that you can indeed throw a Reverso Mezzano false edge without a thumb grip. Basically just do it like how you would throw a beat from Boar's Tusk, but horizontal. I usually do it from Donna Sinestra and it does ended up become a beating action itself from mid height when I don't want to be predictable with my low line beats.
@@jaketheasianguy3307 I’m well aware of the fact you can do it. But it only partially exploits the advantages of doing it with the false edge, and it transforms it in a one trick pony cut, which either beats or snipes hands. Instead by thumbing the flat, you can more easily land it after parries and during combinations. Check this. ua-cam.com/video/oWhveQ1hbyQ/v-deo.html
A me è parso di notare che, quando paro così di falso, se il colpo è diretto alla mia mano o avambraccio spesso lo prendo comunque. Mentre se ho il tempo e la rapidità di fare una parata di dritto difficilmente vengo colpito.
Dipende anche dall’angolo tra la mano e la spada in questo senso. Parando di falso è meglio tenere l’arma molto verticale e il pollice sul piatto. Comunque, anche io preferisco la parata di dritto ;-)
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Grazie Matt ;-)
I'm 2 weeks behind but the locations you train in continue to fill me with wonder.
The krumphau is good with cheese! 😂😂😂
Mmmmmhhhh! So good!
@@FedericoMalagutti thank you for the excellent video as always!
@@silverswordguy4191 you are most welcome!!!
Love it.
Hi Fede, I have just watched this video AGAIN, and like a good movie, I'm discovering more little gold nuggets each time. Thanks! 🙂
I’m really happy to read this. Happy to be of any help :-)
I'm finally on time for a video
Instead, I was writing an article and I wasn't... doh! Ahhahahaha
great footage along with the advice!
Thanks!
Great stuff as usual, thanks!
You are welcome Jeff!
Thank you for your lessons!)
You are welcome ;-)
Great video as always. Any recommendation for those who use a handshake grip, but still wish to parry with the false edge?
Well, switching from one grip to the other it's possible, but other than that. False edge parries with the handshake grip are good at longer ranges, otherwise you develop a gap in the zone of the right elbow where things tend to get stuck (especially thrusts). So well, distance management, but if the opponent is close, you need to parry with the true edge, or change grip.
Do you use a sigi standard or shorty concept?
Standard. 135 cm
Hi, what do you think of traditional Fiorists saying you should not use the thumb grip since it's not what Fiore showed in the manuscript and it's a bad idea ? Sure, for tournaments, you use whatever works but i just wanna hear your thoughts
Well, the only way to make work the roverso mezzano with the false edge in a good way (so not clumsy) is by thumbing the flat of the handle/blade (depending at which height your hand is positioned on the handle).
So, as for many things in fencing, certain actions in the manual ends up being better with a grip (The punta falsa punta curta, for example, in which in a certain way you even distinguish some kind of thumb grip in the drawing themselves) and others are better with the other.
So that POV is wrong in my opinion, it's true that a good 75/80% of the actions tend to be easier with the handshake, but you need to transition to do the others.
The whole thing about the "German grip" happens to be simply because German explain this grip clearly, because for them is more prominent and important for certain actions. It doesn't makes it exclusive or special, otherwise.
In a weapon with the handle as simple as a longsword, moving the hand and thumb is quite easy, and the hand has to be soft and mobile most of the time while fencing, to get good at fencing.
But to compare this to something later, Thibault does something "really german" in his way of gripping the Rapier, basically reinventing Destreza because of this... But funny enough, for some actions, he had to explain a complex grip transition, because otherwise it would be hard or impossible to hit with the edge.
Long story short, both in fencing and in the interpretive work, rarely absolutes tend to be good, or real.
@@FedericoMalagutti Very insightful. But I do have to say that you can indeed throw a Reverso Mezzano false edge without a thumb grip. Basically just do it like how you would throw a beat from Boar's Tusk, but horizontal. I usually do it from Donna Sinestra and it does ended up become a beating action itself from mid height when I don't want to be predictable with my low line beats.
@@jaketheasianguy3307 I’m well aware of the fact you can do it. But it only partially exploits the advantages of doing it with the false edge, and it transforms it in a one trick pony cut, which either beats or snipes hands. Instead by thumbing the flat, you can more easily land it after parries and during combinations.
Check this.
ua-cam.com/video/oWhveQ1hbyQ/v-deo.html
A me è parso di notare che, quando paro così di falso, se il colpo è diretto alla mia mano o avambraccio spesso lo prendo comunque. Mentre se ho il tempo e la rapidità di fare una parata di dritto difficilmente vengo colpito.
Dipende anche dall’angolo tra la mano e la spada in questo senso. Parando di falso è meglio tenere l’arma molto verticale e il pollice sul piatto.
Comunque, anche io preferisco la parata di dritto ;-)