Fox vs Legend Harley-Davidson Bagger Suspension│Reviewed and Test Ridden
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Suspension is becoming a more popular upgrade for Harley-Davidson Motorcycles. For performance or ride comfort, riders want to have the best. Matt Laidlaw and Andrew Asevo Demo two of the best sets of rear shocks in the after market world for Touring Chassis H-D's. Learn what to look for when choosing shocks that are best for your size, bike, and riding preferences.
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I'm at the point where I don't care how a shock or the bike look, I'm after riding. handling and suspension travel. Anymore when I hear it was slammed to the ground for the stance, all I hear is a bike that will never leave the county its registered in. And that's cool if that's the type of riding you want but for me, I want to cover states per day not bar to bar, Used to be that's what a bagger was for. Now, it is posing outside the winghut on bike night
I'm ridding Ohlins on my streetglide special 2019 with stage 3 on it , those suspensions are like a miracle to my ride, day/ night difference.
What kind of Ohlins? with piggyback?
I love the Fox 13" IFP-R bagger shocks. Huge improvement. Fox also has a bagger fork spring kit for 2014+ that takes out the small bump chatter and helps a lot with brake dive and cornering. It's only $130 for the kit and takes about an hour to install. FYI, "dampening" is to make something wet, "damping" is what suspension has, that calms oscillations.
I ride an 2019 Iron 883. A couple of months ago I swapped out my rear shocks to the Legend Revo’s (not the A with rebound but the standard shocks). Had I known what a difference it would make I would have done it much sooner. The ride is night and day better. I went with the 13” shock on Legend’s recommendation. It gives about a 1/2 “ more travel than the stock shocks once you preload the shock to the 1” recommended sag. Places where I was getting really beat up have smoothed out considerably now. Also as you mentioned in the video I have definitely noticed that the smaller imperfections in the road that used to give some jolts with the stock shocks aren’t even noticeable with these shocks. It just soaks up the small stuff so as to make them not seem to be there at all. An added benefit of the 13” shock is a noticeable increase in lean angle. I haven’t ridden the Fox shocks but I can whole heartedly recommend the Legends to any of you sporty riders looking to smooth out that ride.
This testimony was very helpful. Thanks for that. I got an Iron 883 2019 too which I am modifying at the moment. I’ll be putting the Revo Arc Piggyback 13” Standard (non-heavy load) on them. Based on your very positive testimony on the ‘entry level’ Legend shocks, I’m expecting to be riding like a King on the Revo Arc ones.
Man, ohlins 159 on back and ohlin fks 226 on front. You tube that!!!!! Thas what I'm ridn. Don't halfway do it do it one time and say efff it. If you notice nobody does comparison with ohlin. If they do, I haven't seen a legit one yet. UA-cam it.
So I’m building a solo seat beat/bobber out of a 2020 1200 stage 2. Looking at legends but didn’t want the huge gap on the rear wheel. How is yours with the thirteen?
I've got Legend cartridges and Revo A shocks on my '14 Road King. The bike simply feels much more planted and stable. My only complaint is that it's firmer than I would prefer (I'm 5'10" and 185 lbs.). I would be willing to try thinner fork oil and lighter springs out back.
So I'm guessing the only difference is the compression damping between the two, with the Legend having a better compression damping as it handled the smaller bumps better. Both setups should've been recalibrated to the rider at the switch though. Obviously, a preload set incorrectly (which is what was the case after the switch) will result in a less comfortable and less confident ride. That's why Matt preferred the Fox, and Andrew the Legend shocks. They were dialled in to their respective weights.
I purchased a 2020 Road Glide. You're correct, I weigh 175 and even with preload all the way down the ride is way to stiff. Looking at Legends for next year. My back is taking a beating. The stock shocks keep the bike at ride height, but that is all they seem to do. I can't see any change adjusting the preload - it doesn't seem to do much. Thank you for the review.
I have a 2018 Street Glide CVO with front and rear JRI suspension. Rears are 13 inch single adjustable and front is their adjustable cartridge set up. I have 7k miles on the stock setup and this is a major upgrade and for those who have only upgraded the rears doing the fronts make a major difference. Rears are a 10min job and front was approx a 3 hr job but pretty straight forward.
Great job explaining the stock suspension and reasons for it. I like that you are thorough with your explanations.
Thanks for the video. Here in Scottsdale AZ during bike week last April. I took a 2018 Street Glide Special over to Skully customs
. They were set up here for the event. For just about 800.00 they installed a life time warranty air ride system on mine and a friends bike as well. For another 900.00 they installed a MRI center stand. You could do the air ride with or without the center stand. The air ride
Gives you 5”s of travel adjustable on the fly. Now I will never go back to stock or even close to stock suspension. Just wanted to give a little feedback from Scottsdale AZ.
I put 13" racetech shocks on my 18 sgs, love the shocks. I am going to raise my forks 1" to level it out
My roadmaster comes stock with a fox racing shock and I am able to adjust the air pressure. It rides wonderful!
WTF is a Roadmaster?
So the fox site says 1yr warranty but legend lifetime. Just a year worries me. Great great video man. Extremely helpful in the details
I ride a 07 FXDB with 32k miles on stock suspension. I'm 325#. Front dives a lot and the rear doesn't take big bumps very well, can't tell ya how many times I've bottomed out this suspension to the point i could swear I've bent a wheel. I'm personally looking at upgrading to progressive 490 13 1/2 rear and 2" tube extensions with progressive heavy duty front springs, valve emulators & preload adjusters up front. I ride aggressive as well.
I installed 13" Legend REVO-A this weekend on my 2020 RGS, and I have a nice saddlemen seat. New rear shocks should be the first upgrade on a new Harley.
Did you do the front forks too?
Or does rear only do the trick?
I've got new ohlins 30mm cartridges up front and ohlins hd357 in the rear on a 2014 street glide special. Handles like a Ducati or BMW superior stability and handling at high speeds. Also upgraded to galfer 320mm brake rotors and brembo monoblock calipers in the front and upgraded rear rotor to galfer. Complete package!
Just worked the graveyard shift and I’m finally home enjoying a beer watching one of my favorite UA-cam channels! Hey Matt...I’m in Spokane Valley ,Washington temporarily...are you familiar with lone Wolf Harley Davidson dealership?
For sure, don't get heavy version Legend unless you are a 300lb and ride with passenger with tour pak, I had heavy duty Legend Revo and couldn't get the sag adjustment to work for me. Got it sent back to Legend and they swapped out with softer springs. I am still trying to get them to adjust for my weight (225lb) and getting the best suspension ride. Weather is a bit cold so I will wait until warmer day then try do the final adjustment....can't wait!
Just installed a set of legend Revo A’s on my 2019 CVO Rd. glide, much better ride much better handling I like the fact that you can adjust The rebound if you have a passenger. I’m very happy with the product I’m looking forward to a long ride maybe to Sturgis this year.
Thanks, I've been looking for review from a CVO owner. 👍🏾
I REALLY wanted to see more of the shocks working, and how much of the bumps the are absorbing.
I’m looking at aftermarket rear shocks for my ‘19 FLTRU and can definitely confirm your statement about how the rear stock shocks ride so much better with two people on board versus solo. Even at 0 preload, my 195lb doesn’t compress the 13” stock shocks for any bit of sag at all. But once my beautiful wife hops on back, the bike rides like a dream and requires only a couple turns of preload to achieve perfection. Finding new shocks that achieve the same effect when I’m riding solo AND two-up will definitely get my attention and money 💰
I've been trying to find me a big lady to hop on back.
Matt, I took your advice a year ago and spent the coin for Legend front and back. I’ve been really happy with this setup. BUT! I rode a new, stock RGS yesterday. Wow! I immediately noticed the difference! Thanks for the great videos and recommendations. I know now I can’t ride my RGS without the Legend upgrade.
I have a 15 Street Glide Special and I’ve been running Ohlins HD159 on the rear and their FKC102 inserts in the front forks. I’ve loved every mile on them once I got the rebound dialed in. It’s a totally different bike from stock and if I ever got another bike changing the suspension would be right behind an exhaust and intake upgrade.
I have 18 roadking special I needed even lower then the stalk low pro shocks it came with. Im only 5'5" & I ended up installing air ride, really helps me when backing and parking especially on uneven grownd flat footed. And when i take off its nice to be able to adjust up to a good comfortable ride hight. Grate video .
What air ride and how do you like it?
Put the Legend Revo-A and the Axeo front on my ‘16 FLHTK about a year ago. Night and day difference! Feels like whole different bike. Highly recommend...
How difficult was it to set sag/setup on the forks?
To the people who always ask why does Harley have crappy stock suspension, well the answer is all Oem suspensions are crappy depending on how you ride, meaning if you really like spirited riding you’ll have to upgrade factory suspension on all touring bikes period. If you do the speed limit and not ride the hell out your bike the factory suspension will suffice. Just my .02
Your thought on Harley coming out with a performance bike was spot on. ST 🤘🤘
Thanks for the video! I've been researching rear shocks for my 17 SGS, which rides like a brick! I'm 5'9" @ 195. I have over 10K miles on my SGS and absolutely hate the ride quality - it's garbage! I have played with shock adjustments and small tire pressure changes with no luck. I still have the stock/thin seat, which also doesn't help. Don't misunderstand, I really like my bike! I have also installed an Ultra Limited front tire/wheel to get the thicker sidewall up front, which made a noticeable difference, but still not enough for a quality ride over-all.
However, after riding a completely stock 18 Ultra Limited for several hours, the difference/better ride quality was almost mind blowing as compared to my bike. I attribute this to the 13 inch shocks and thicker seat. And these are the OEM pieces!
I WILL be getting 13 inch shocks and a better seat. I just need to figure out which to buy.
Can you recommend a plush solo seat?
Which rear shock would you buy again from the two you reviewed here?
Thanks from Michigan!
I bought a 18 road glide special, (now before anyone disagrees with me, I raced dirt bikes for a few decades and went through many after market suspension companies) I weigh 155lbs my wife is 100 lbs sopping wet, she feels like this bike rode good stock. I said the suspension was all wrong right from the test ride, it's too stiff in the top 1/3 not stiff enough in the mid stroke and even though I ride hard at 155 lbs I shouldn't be able to blow through the bottom end. Ohlins was hands down the best suspension I raced with so that's where I started on this bike. It handles all the small bumps especially the stutter bumps really well without making the chassis move, the medium bumps are noticeably but soaked up. I've yet to bottom them out and they really help keep the chassis settled down and the tire stuck to the road. But as you said they are more expensive.
Matt, I have been harping on the same thing for a long time! Harley-Davidson needs to come out with a high performance street glide and road glide model, and that means suspension /handling. I was thinking they might look into chassis/suspension redesign to achieve a much more nimble sportier ride, At least for a touring machine! Who knows, even a mono shock design in a new lighter stiffer frame that saves some weight as well. Your vids are well appreciated my friend!
Really good video! Thank you! I switched to full length (13”) factory Harley-Davidson shocks on my 2017 Road Glide and just the extra travel alone has made a huge difference in ride quality.
I think I’ll keep my fox shocks on my dirt bike and legends on my Harley! Jus sayn.
I have Fox on my YZ and i like them. Honestly never knew they made shocks that fit a harley. They say you learn something new everyday. Let's call it Early morning Tech class. ✌and God bless stay vigilant. And keep the rubber side down.👊🇺🇸🇺🇸👊
Gatekeepers 98 Yea I think they are relatively new to the HD world. It’s about time. They are on every other two wheel vehicle out there.
I do cross country touring. I have 20k miles experience on each of those exact shocks in 13”. I wouldn’t hesitate to say I feel the fox is a smoother ride.
I put Legend Axeo's on the front late last summer....unbelievable difference, wish that had been my first upgrade to my 2018FLTRU...put a set of Revo's on the rerar can't wait to try them out when the snow goes.
These are a must . shocks , a better seat , pipes ,heated grips, better lighting, better windshield, stage two , My 2016 Road Glide Ultra will be done .
I have a 18 gunship grey cvo and I'd like some better rear shocks but after spending 40k I just dont have that right now. Needs to get some bars first. I like yours Matt.
I have the CVO as well, bummer Harley doesn’t partner with one of these suspension companies and just include them on their bikes.
2009 FLHTCU running Fox Revo on the rear. I love them. It's totally worth it.
I have a 2014 SGS. Installed 13 inch Heavy duty Fox shocks (HD matched 2up weight specs). Riding 2 up was great --- never could get the setup "great" for just myself.
Ended up putting the Pro-Action fork kit in my bike and was so impressed I purchased their 13 inch rear shocks to try in place of the Fox. WOW WOW is all I can say. Fox shocks are headed to ebay.
I ordered a set of Legends RevoA after just watching this . I never had even thought about the suspension before. Crazy.
I traded in my 2013 Ultra Limited for a 2017 Ultra Limited last year and i thought the suspension on the new bike was a complete night and day difference compared to the crappy rear air shocks that were on the 2013. So far i am happy with the suspension on the 2017 and think it's damn near perfect for my style of riding.
I upgraded my 15 Ultra Limited which had the HD air shocks.... So for me that was a huge difference... I bought the Legend Revo A and loved them... Unfortunately I had one blow out after a month when I hit a big pothole... Legend was awesome and got me a new set right away and now its winter here in WI so not much riding happening here... But I am happy with the feel and with Legend as a company
Matt, can't that you enough for your videos....helped me buy my 2018 Street Glide Special and is helping me immensely to add to my bike as I make it my own. I live in Baltimore but appreciate the advice and am a big fan...
I put the legends revo a and the axeo front on my 15 SG. Best money i spent on the bike so far! Great comparison video. Keep them coming. Thank you!
I have a 2012 Street Glide CVO. My ride was rough over the road but didn’t think about it u til I test drove a 2018. Out Legend shocks on the front and then it rode like an 2018. Getting ready to finish the rears before summer. Worth every dollar spent.
Matt, i really appreciate you "getting out there", riding, experimenting, reviewing the bikes, different roads & locations, & new equipment, and bringing us this content. It is helpful & enjoyable to watch. I check my subs list everyday, hoping to see a newly uploaded video from you, b/c i know it will be interesting & fun to watch. So, about "my" suspension: 2018 CVO SG! One thing I love about the suspension is the adjustable rear. Funny tho, I seem to prefer the plushness of the setting decreased to 0, over the stiff & tight "ride quality" set all the way to max preload. I am 6'2", ~250 pounds. I'm thinking about going BACK, to zero preload. One thing i HATE is how the FRONT slaps around at high speeds if I hit med to large dips in the road. I really could use a steering damper on the front, after 75mph. Waiting on a new offering from GPR for a 2018 CVO SG. They dont have one for this model yet. Any "other" suggestions? Thanks in advance. (Long Beach, CA)
Thanks Matt for this video. Unless you are the type of rider, who just rides short rides to lunch or beer hangout, this upgrade is necessary. I like that the Legend you can adjust without using the tool. Also good info about front suspension is best on 17 or newer. Good info to know for riders shopping for a used bike. Thanks!
AGreed, Thanks for the comment
T Sav sorry to hear that
Watching this now and thinking Harley defiantly listened to this video at around 17:00 min in when you start talking about what is pretty much the 2022 road/street glide ST.
Shawn Smoak had just pit 13" Legend shocks on his SGS, he's very pleased with them 👍😎
I like Shawn's stuff. He seems like a very knowledgeable guy
Matt Laidlaw you're right & an excellent man with the spanners. All his bikes are immaculate, looks after his stuff, I am totally OCD with mine, took me yrs to get my first Harley so I look after it. Those shocks look the biz ay Matt, when are you thinking of doing the Stage 1V on yours 👍😎
Just ordered Revo-A's for my '18 Street Glide based on Shawn's video, my ass can hardly wait
Great timing for your suspension video .!!! Due to my getting past 70 yrs but still doing interstate road trips several times a year I recently traded my H-D Street Glide in on a 2018H-D TriGlide (FLHTCUTG)... After a short break in period I really do love the Triglide . I hear other trikers all talk about improving the suspension...... I am 200 lbs and ride solo almost all of the time so I have not experienced any problems with the factory suspension ..... HOWEVER .... I am all about making my ride more comfortable for long rides ..... Do you have any recommendations for TRIGLIDE ......THX MATT !!!
I put the 13” legends on my 12’ street glide after getting beat up by the 11” drag specialties that were on it. Right out of the box. They felt Awsome. Smooth. I adjusted them a few days later to the 12” recommended sag with me on the bike. I don’t like it as much. Little rougher. Probably gonna put it back to where it was around 12& 1/4”.
Wish I seen this video yesterday for a comparison. Just put progressive 944’s in my 14 Streetglide last night
I'm wondering (for the 2021 models) if the front suspension is the same for the standard and special models(?) I'm on the short side and about 140lbs and yea, my 2021 street glide is the roughest bike I have owned, and I think I just sat on top of the springs even with no preload. so Just last night I replaced the rear shocks to Ohlins HD039s, 12" (though they do have almost 3" of travel unlike the OEM at 2" travel), and I will avoid saying Night and day difference, but I would say its a noticeable difference, and would gauge it as a 75% improvement. I'm not happy with the front OEM suspension and trying to decided what to do about it.. Normally you'd feel the sharp bumps 3 time harder on the rear shock, but now I feel the pain about 1-1 ratio which means the front suspension is really showing its weakness (besides fork dive and high speed tracking issue)
I have to add that I am still running factory stock on my 2017 SGS and they are fine BUT the roads in my area are FAR better than what I see on your videos. I do agree with Andrew that the stock seems to provide a better ride when riding 2 up or loaded down with luggage.
Love the bars on Andrew's bike ! You have one of the best looking white bikes I've seen ! GODBLESS , ride safe !
Thank you !
I have a 2015 SG special that I have owned since brand new, I am 49 yrs old about 220lbs and I think the stock suspension is sub par. I have been looking into the Legend rear shocks. I will probably pull the trigger on some within the next couple of weeks. Thanks for the Video Matt
I agree with you Matt about HD offering a model with some of the popular upgrades already installed as long as they don’t go crazy on the price!
Don't forget to check your belt tension & headlight adjustment. For saving money, wouldn't standard roadking shocks be a big improvement?
Matt I trust your opinion. I have a 2015 Street Glide Special stock that I new at Palm Bay Harley in Palm Bay Harley in Florida. Our roads are getting worse by the day. I bought it new and kept it very well maintained it has just 30,000 on it. The rear shocks are dead. I went for a 230 mile yesterday and my body was beat. I’m 72yrs. Old and have been since I was 17 yrs. Old. I am 5’6” and way 180 lbs. do you think the help the ride. I do all the maintenance on my bike except for one thing that was the head bearings. I would like to keep keep the same length as stock. And would you ship them to me. I can install them
Yes new rear shocks would help for sure. Check out www.Matt-laidlaw.com
Grab some Russ wernimont or legend shocks. Both are good.
great piece Matt and Andrew, thanks. I personally run WP shocks on my CVO Dyna and it made an enormous difference of the stock shocks.
What about the Legend 14" vs their 13" shocks? Would the ride be even smoother you think? At 6'3" tall and 210lbs the extra inch is no issue for me it its lifting it the extra inch.
So again the pros and cons of the 14' over the 13' if any?
Johnny Turbo if you go higher than a 13” you run the likelihood of the axle bolt hitting the exhaust pipe. To run 14’s you have to use a mid length or shorty pipe. OR take a hammer and put a big axle clearance dent on the inside of each pipe.
@@deltaecho1776 thanks for clarifying that. Makes sense.
Matt, ride a 2016 FLTRXS just upgraded front and rear this spring with Legend. Totally different ride and the added lead angle was a huge bonus. Have not dragged footboards since the change. Also loosing the front end dive was huge, actually took me a minute to get used to that.
I had a good run out of my Progressive 440, now called the 444. My Triumph is about the same weight as Road King
Very informative Matt. I normally don’t learn things from people who’s trying too hard and calling themselves PRO, but you are relaxed and very thoughtful to your mods… Reminds me of myself.
So at first I bought the legends because it was advertised more and found them first. But after comparing to the Fox after watching your video and many others I think the legend is a rough draft of the FOX. Specially after seeing that FOX includes an owner manual while the legend just showed you videos how to. Then it’s the packaging, FOX wins again. Last is the fact that you don’t need 2 people to calibrate the Fox as there are weights sags instruction on the manual. The legend, you need manpower grip and it’s a 2 people job finding the best 1 inch sag which just throws me off as something that’s street style and not clear.
Legend is like the street style on doing business. You never know what you are getting until you get something good and you have to expect the unexpected even though many reviewers are praising they are good including you. But FOX sets the high standard that they are the best. Specially FOX does participate in high speed racing Motorsports and advertising their brand everywhere in gears, clothings now Motorcycle Shocks… imagine these guys are already on top as in quality wise and they have been on top with everything else.
So I canceled the Legends suspension from Amazon and bought the FOX from Revzilla. I think with just your videos I’ve made the right choice. There wouldn’t be a wrong choice comparing from stock but between Fox and Legend, I want to be with the guys that’s been in business for longer and the guys that started it all. Kinda like comparing Indian vs Harley. The refined finish and the amount of customization you can do on Harleys and the popularity and the community Harley has built cannot be compared to Indian or any other models. I mean if you want to enjoy your ride and be part of a trend, Harley is the way to go. And same as the shocks. Rather chose FOX.
Matt, you gave a height of 5’10” and up for the 13” Legend shocks. I’m glad I stayed around till the end of the video for your explanation of Harleys methodology for their Street/Road Glide models. At
'18 FLTRX here, and I am loving this M8 engine. Shocks, not so much. They are a tremendous improvement over previous models!
Anything with more travel will be an improvement. Have you tried the 13" shocks from the Ultra Classics yet? Really cheap alternative...
Frost heaves and expansion joints, however, have given my back jolts that hit the old L5 pretty hard. I'm gonna look into Ohlins and maybe the Foxes.
I'm taking the suspension apart already on my 2018 Road King and 17 Road Glide it's the same old crap inside the tubes went to Legend cartridges huge difference Harley could have at least put some valving in there to control the fluid flow just drilling holes in a metal tube doesn't cut it! they really need to get with the program!
Matt, I was wondering when you guys were going to wake up concerning the rear shocks, on the 17's. The upgrade is a must in my opinion, I have the Fox shocks on both my 17 Streetglide special and 15 Ultra Limited. On the 15 Limited, I tried the Progressive for the forks but went to the Legend and WOW! I agree that the 17 front suspension in the forks is plenty good, the 14,15 & 16 definitely need the Legend fork suspension along with the rear shocks, whether they are Legend or Fox. Great video as always.
Great to hear that confirmation
Matt, love your channel! Subbed, of course. The 13" would raise my bike 1", but the factory shocks give me 0" sag. So, once I set the 1" sag on the Legends, my ride height is the same as stock. The 1" additional rode height only applies to when the bike is parked, without me on it. Correct? Am I missing something in this logic?
You’re correct. That’s why Legends are more plush.
Yeah I would have agree about hitting small bumps or like rail road crossings, the stock spring makes you leave about an inch off the seat. Now to put this on my dream list of parts.
I ride a 2015 Ultra Limited Low, the suspension is definitely lacking in plushness, rear doesn’t absorb much and the front makes it difficult to hold a line in sweepers, I put a hammock seat on to help which it does but will be upgrading suspension to 12” legend rear and ohlin front.
Great video...... I bought the Legend Revo A’s about a year ago for my Ultra. Absolutey love the Legends! Thanks for the videos. I like your presentation style and speaking the truth.
Riding a 2015 Limited with stock air suspension and it’s really good. Especially 2up. Really good when aired up and riding 2up.
wait until it starts to leak air you will feel pain!!!!!
In the market for suspension upgrades. Thanks for the video. I bought my 17 RG in late 16 and have to say I'm not super impressed with the stock suspension. My 09 SG and 2000 EG bot had a better feel as far as ride quality. I get a horrible wobble at higher speed in the corners and really feel the bumps where as I didn't with the two previous baggers. At this point I see Ledgands going on this winter.
great thanks Mat . i did find the front makes a big improvment over stock handling and control ,nose dive when braking smother ride . cheers
I purchased the Fox shocks based on this comparison video. I am very happy with the purchase. Thank you Mr. Laidlaw for providing me with useful information.
I’m glad they made the difference for you. Enjoy.
I just bought the fox shocks. I think they changed their lineup a bit and offer 3 different spring rates now. Standard, Heavy Duty, and Super Heavy Duty. Heavy Duty is from I believe 270lbs to 350lbs range and S.H.D covers above 350lbs. I went with the standard 13" length. So far I am very pleased with these on my 2019 FLHT. I almost went with Russ Wernimont shocks which are probably a smidge better but the price I payed for the Fox shocks was right. Thanks again for the great review.
Hey man I just ordered these yesterday. I’m about 215-220. I have an ultra classic. I ride 80% of the time solo without my tour pack. I will be honest I didn’t look into the load ratings because I assumed they were similar to legends. But after reading that they had 3 with a much tighter load index, I’m worried that going with the standard version may feel a little rough when I do load up a little more. So my question to you is, how much do you weigh or typically ride loaded up? And how have those shocks performed for you?
@@mike_honcho_92 I'm about 220lbs and ride 70% of the time solo. I have the spring preload waaaay lighter than recommended in the manual. Going off that, you will probably be okay with the standard springs because you can always add more preload. I was after maximum comfort. Ultra classic with tour pack is a heavier bike but I think the lightest fox springs have a bit more to give so you are probably okay. I think you will find yourself dialing back preload as you get used to them. Also I found maximum comfort with the rebound knob turned to the most firm...clockwise. It will control the rebound better. But I live in Los Angeles and our roads suck!
Thanks for the thoughts on front end, didn’t finish watching full video before made a comment.
Seen plenty of clips about bagger shocks!! I ride a 2012Super Glide with the shocks that came with it .dont know what brand. They do bottom out though. I'd like to see some clips on different shocks to suit
I have a 2007 Road King. Classic I got Legends in the back. And I put in legends in the front. Totally off the chain better ride 100% I have a 2016. CVO I'm planning on putting Legends in the back and the front suspension in the front. Just commented. What do you think of that idea?
I just got the Legend 13" heavy duty vs the standard Revo-A. I test rode the standard but decided because Australian roads leave a lot to be desired that the heavy was for me. No regrets but I can see and feel that the standards would be more plush for most roads and solo riding.
First thing I noticed during the unboxing that sold me on the Fox Racing shock is the markings on the shock body showing you where your pre-load setting is at. As far as I know the Legend shocks don’t have that, and that’s a deal breaker for me. I’m not going to install almost $1000 shocks and figure out pre-load with a tape measure!
you only need to set in one inch of sag it is done the same way on both shocks you just turn the spring easy!! i have the legends on my 15 cvo RG love em
On my 2014 sporster the stock suspension is OK, it does it's job and somethings I am impressed with it. I am looking at progressive monotube forks and 490 rear shocks, I am curious to see if there will be a difference.
I'm on a 2018 Road Glide standard, stock suspension and love it. I had a 2011 ultra limited with stock suspension and the 2018 feels like a sport bike compared to the 2011. I plan on upgrading the suspension next year though.
Also, I agree that HD puts the rougher riding 12" shocks on stock for marketing/sales purposes. Wouldn't a reasonable additional strategy be to offer to swap out the 12" Premiums on the Special models for the 13" Premiums for a nominal fee?
Just noticed this video. Great rundown. Did you do the comparison with the stock front suspensions?
Love the ease of adjusting the Harley premium shock over these. It looks like you have to adjust both every time instead of one knob on one side.
The adjustment knob is for one side only. The other shock is a slave shock and pretty much useless.
I think you’re right about the bagger movement leaning towards the performance aspect. After deciding to Stage kit my HO 103 in my 2015 Limited, I’m wanting better suspension and I’m seeing videos from Shawn Smoak and Adam Sandoval about this Legend Revo-A. I’m considering this upgrade. Thanks for the vid Matt. Ride safe.
I only have the stock on my 2019 RKS, i find it very harsh with one up, much better with a passenger.
Same here. I discovered, suspension setting chart is, to say the least, incorrect. I should be running on preload 4, but it is better on 2 or 3 🤷🏼♂️
For $26000+, Harley could offer a different packages for ride height and comfort. HD offers Low packages on other bikes. Why compromise on a premium level touring machine? It just doesn't make sense to me. The ElectraGlide is basically the same bike but the ride is soo much nicer. It really doesn't need to be either-or.
Shit...$30,000 & still had to purchase a heal toe shifter & only got 1 key fob.
This is what's wrong with Harley
At this point I'm wondering about the Legend Revo Arc 14" remote reservoir shocks. Will extra travel make my front end twitchy? Will the belt drive length be OK? Too much gangster lean without a kickstand block? Would I be happy with a 13" Fox or Legend shock? Decisions, decisions.
I blew a fork seal on my 2018 Breakout last night riding hard through some twisties. Its got a bit of dive in it as well.
Love to upgrade the front suspension, even go to inverted forks IF I could find an option for it. I've read a little about someone putting Fat Bob forks on a breakout. You have to swap out the triple tree and all. Also, it leave the connector point for the second caliper on the right fork. I'd consider converting to dual front disk breaks but there is no way to mount a rotor on the breakout front wheel on the right hand side so if I were going to do that i'd have to change the wheels out as well.
Come on after market...
For baggers I went from a 13 rgc to a 18 rgs the 18 is miles ahead I ride 2 up pretty pleased with stock but when I ride solo could use the legends in the corners dont get me started on the front end extremely happy with the 18 hate to see people bash the moco RIDE ONE everyday
I just ended up ordering the super duty fox shocks. Thicker springs and such. I'm excited to see how they work.
Nice man. You’ll like them
What do you think about olhnis?
Too expensive?
Good video, I ride a 2017 Triumph bonneville bobber and am looking at putting an adjustable Fox shock on the rear. We also have terrible road surfaces here in New York State. Cheers mate!
Great Vids Matt!!! My 07 SG had aftermarket air ride.. and I really didn't care for it, but it gave the bike a great look. Traded for an 18 RGS, and love it. Cant get over how good the stock shocks feel compared to my 07. Am considering the Legend.. did you need to adjust the headlight to compensate for the rear being lifted. The bike looks more level now... Not a huge fan of that but the ride makes it worth the sacrifice Im sure.. keep up the Great work!!!
Great video.. Why dont they put these on stock Harleys? I test drove and just said to self. I can't handle this suspension and went out and bought a Gold wing.. I love Harleys but... wish I knew this b4..?
What about the forks? I saw a youtube change his forks as well. The only issue, your weight must be dialed in before they get installed. Same company.
Thank you so much,this video is very useful to me. I plan on upgrading my suspension on my wife’s ‘17sporster 48 this winter. Keep up the great work,your video’s are always packed with useful information.
OK Matt you asked what people are doing..... I only have a 2006 Sportster 1200 ( Hammer Performance equipped) and a '10 model Streetbob (with a reworked CVO top end and much more ). Both hopped up a bit (90+bhp and 125bhp respectively) but I found similar problems with both bikes. At the front, the springs were too soft and long meaning they had way too much preload which meant that with the standard damping they were scary - much like a kid's pogo stick ! My solution was to get springs made that are 50% stronger, simply wound - not dual rate and definitely not progressive - and I use about an inch and a quarter preload with preload adjusters for fine tuning along with 30 weight oil. Oh, and most importantly here, Race Tech cartridge fork Emulators - they are where Showa got the idea for this 'dual bending valve' non-sense. I get a smooth ride with 'feedback' and much less fork 'dive' when braking harder - both bikes have twin disc.
At the rear it is a similar story :- stronger springs, less preload and two way damping i.e. compression and rebound. The length of the shocks is purely rider choice - I have mine lowered as I find it comfortable and at 60 I am no longer that much of a 'boy-racer'. I use Hagon Nitro shocks from here in England that are built to individual order for a much more competitive price, and Avon tyres as the Harley branded Michelins are not 'grippy' enough - and the Avons cost less. I use Drag Spec urethane mounts on the Sporty and Big Bear Performance mounts on the Dyna. The Dyna mounts use FXR rubbers for the rear and late Touring front rubbers on the front (though I use urethane ones there as well to stop the engine leaping about). On both bikes the ride is firmer due to the suspension mods and the change in engine mounts (though my fillings don't come loose !) but these mods make the bikes much more enjoyable than the soft and sloppy items they were when I bought them.