Everything Wrong With: Singed | League of Legends
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
- Singed is one of League's oldest champions with one of the most unique designs in the game as well. But his unique design has a habit of eliciting more negative responses than positive, possessing a degenerate playstyle that few players enjoy playing against. So for today we'll be looking at Everything Wrong With: Singed.
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Hey guys, I noticed the comparatively high amount of criticism and disapproval in the recent EWW: Singed video. Having thought about it after reading your comments I suppose from an outside perspective it could've been interpreted as personal and subjectively charged, more than usual compared to other vids. I'll do my best to be more discreet and unbiased going forward. Appreciate your feedback everyone!
Honestly you should add more biased opinions at the end of the video. I love when people rant about league (especially Hash)
That's right. APOLOGIZE.
be biased my guy, we simply just don't want singed to be deleted
Here's a hot take. I want to know you how you feel and think about champions. I trust your opinion, you clearly know what you're talking about. I often find myself agreeing with you, but not always, and that's okay. You always provide a fresh perspective. If I wanted a sterile stat-driven analysis, I'd ask ChatGPT.
I'm not a fan of Singed, but that just over my own frustration. I find myself managing him fairly well, depending on available CC/Mobility. Of the champions we have, Singed isn't that annoying. You know what he does. He knows what he does. You both still try to win.
Tbh, I always assume EWW was more subjective than objective. Saying a champion's kit is objectively wrong is if they doesn't coherently work with itself and champions playstyle
Fum fact: singed is the first champion ever designed. Therefore everyone else is designed wrong in his game
I'm sad now, they barged into his house and rearranged his furniture and he just couldnt stop em
@@dimondsi He was chilling in the domain that is the rift and a bunch of auto attacking gorillas came in and told him he was wrong
he couldn't stop them because he was running away @@dimondsi
what class he is? a runner, the most forgotten class of league, along with lilia and old udyr. this class is the apex of hit and run strategy. singed takes this a step further by just running.
Somehow Lilia is so, _so_ much more annoying to me than Singed.
I think it's the animations and general character. Singed I can at least laugh with.
exactly. I miss old udyr 😢
He is a specialist. Just like Heimerdinger, Azir and Zilean.
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 Lillia also has True dmg aside from Max Health dmg and I feel like she has easier access to high movement speed and it also lasts as long as she's hitting ppl w/ her Q
Edit: Forgot that she heals too as long as someone's affected by her passive
@@Kyong008not to mention Lillia has burst damage potential with her ult to keep still to land her Q or E for big damage along with the DoT
Yeah, I just fundamentally disagree with your analysis of Singed's Poison Trail.
You claim that Poison Trail's optimal usage is uninteractive because it involves a Singed running away from an opponent.
But that is flat out false. In fact, Poison Trail might be one of the most interactive abilities in the game. Poison Trail requires that Singed run away, but it does nothing if there isn't an enemy chasing Singed. That means that you, as a Singed, need to simultaneously encourage an enemy to chase you (by cutting waves, being low health, harassing the backline, etc.) while also preventing yourself from being caught. If you are too safe and too good at running away as a Singed, then your Poison Trail does nothing, because no one will chase you. If you are too risky, you get caught and die, or get CC'd and can get hit by ranged enemies outside your cloud. That is the essence of interaction, which is why Singed hasn't needed changes over the years.
I think that a lot of the time, you analyze champions very much through your own lens. You are a top lane Juggernaut main, so you see interaction as a Juggernaut does - a straight up, no mobility duel between two evenly matched opponents. But trickery, mobility, range, mind games, hit-and-run tactics: those are *also* interaction, just a type that Juggernauts can't interact with.
Top tier take right here
People who have only played league don't understand design
Dude are you seriously this stupid 😂. You don't play league of legends when facing singed, you play a different game. When facing singed you forget the traditional rules when laner vs the average champ and play singed game. It's the same thing with heimerdinger terrible take.
as a top lane juggernaut main myself let me add that Singed may also go Conqueror and poison doesn't stack it automatically, you need to auto attack in between dodging and running to stack it to get its damage boost
@@mihaitoma4144 they changed that a few patches ago as a bug fix. It only stacks every 3-4 sec though.
this is a fantastic explanation
Sounds like Vars just lost lane to a Singed
Exactly what i thought while watching this. He contradicts himself constantly, while doubling and tripling down on his point. Classic babyrage.
Tbh singed's interaction feel more interesting than nasus farming under tower for 10 minutes straight and then running you down with a 90% auto target slow
Or Riven just spamming her dash moves and stun with no real repercussions
@@thejedisonic67 well riven actually oneshots you at lv 2 with absolutely 0 counterplay, it's the worst champion design in league of legends but It technically involves "interaction"
@@kurtozz5089 Singed requires mire interaction than Riven via macro, something that riven mains prolly don't even know the word for
Wtf is this riven slander
@@slickity i just hate the 4 dash no mana frame 1 stun champ with a 3 sec cd 500hp shield, nothing personal
This TBH feels really biased.
I like Singed’s design. “Wheee he only runs away thats cringe” is not the way to put it. Take a look at Minishcap. When a teamfight happens, he goes in and tries to keep posion goin’ for as long as possible, displacing enemies (flipping ADC into your team or flipping enemy engage off his ADC). Just because a playstyle breaks the mold/meta doesn’t mean it’s bad. A bad Singed will keep trying to keep you chasing. A good Singed will run in and cause chaos in you ranks, and preying on badly positioned players.
Exactly, this video seems to be based almost solely on the "Never chase Singed" meme. Which is fine for a first impression, but if you look deeper you see that that strategy is not a strategy, but a rare occurrence. In actual gameplay people aren't stupid enough (most of the time) to mindlessly chase a Singed. So to actually have an impact you need to broaden the horizon and, as you said, aim for a zoning/disruptive teamfighter playstyle.
Exactly, that's how he wants to play, he's a teamfight master
A good singed will not pretend he's a Fiora, and try 1V1 everything, or do the "don't follow me meme", a good singed will farm and proxy and be the incarnation of Chaos in a teamfight
He will slow everyone, launch the enemy ADC into the front lane, and do everything to keep the poison going, he's a menace and that's what makes him fun
I think what you and Varus are arguing are 2 different things. You’re saying he doesn’t just run in a straight line and has actual thought put into his actions which is true, Varus is simplifying it but singed running around and hoping people chase him and avoid direct confrontation outside of throwing someone is true even if there is more to it. It’s not always as brain dead as he makes it sound but he is right
@@usarhabilidade2697therefore a good singed Will do Just One thing, never ACTUALLY engage in a 1v1 or play with the other players but be annoying and run around.
What a good design
@@fabioviti7384What he means is that a good Singed will never 1v1 cause that's not the point of him. He does both disruption and control at the same time and wants to get in the thick of the team fight. He wants to break down your teams cohesion and remake the fight on his terms.
For the first time I clearly disagree with Vars, I see Singed being unique as something very positive, and I think we need more champions like Singed that are unique and don't always play by the same rules.
And I find it very strange to say that singing is never the reason why you win a game, since teamfight potential is already quite high and strong.
Singed makes teamfights near impossible for Melle ranged heros unless ur tanky af he's an indirect shield to his team
Vars: "Every other champ in the game wants to interact with you."
Yuumi: "Am I a joke to you?"
But yuumi wants to interact with you, she just don’t want you interacting with her
Shaco: maniacal laughter
The entire time I was listening to Vars talking about how singed "discourages interaction" by not wanting the enemies to be able to attack him I'm sitting here like "And so does Ashe? And any other character that's trying to kite you? This analysis feels pretty biased and less than accurate. I might not be a singed player and his playstyle is annoying to fight but that's not necessarily a bad thing
imperial mandate ashe sp especially w spam all game
He is basically a male kiter.
Yeah, I was thinking that the whole time. He's a melee spacing character. Kinda wish Vars would have made the connection that not all of Singed's fights are him fleeing. Being able to zoom through the teamfight, throw the ADC into the mix, and create spacing problems and chaos is super unique and I can't agree that he doesn't fit within League. Bard breaks a lot of rules of champ design too - rule breakers are what makes the game interesting imo.
And when that Ashe gets caught she isn’t gonna tank/burn you while she’s moving 500 miles per hour- him fleeing and him running at you is so mind numbing to fight- it’s predictable asf but absolutely disgusting to fight against.
He can be both annoying and shit at the same time.
The difference is that a champion like ashe still interacts with you in the laning phase, while the meta for singed is often ditching a wave an starting to proxy
Singed’s passive and flip actively encourage interaction, though. Singed cannot effectively hurt something from almost any range in front of him. His q is a fantastic zone control tool, but it’s most useful when you initiate or follow up a fight, and keep hovering around it to constantly apply its damage and AOE.
The passive allows Singed to engage, kite and reengage, while his flip (which is a surprisingly high amount of his single-target damage and a fantastic displacement tool) encourages him to try and rush-down a key target. Because of how Q and passive works, this is often THROUGH a team trying to defend them, which literally forces interaction with himself and the enemy team.
Really feels like people haven't played against singed since he had bulwark as a passive.
I can't hate Singed because back when Yuumi was fucking everywhere in pro some people picked him support to counter that pick. Lehends is a damn legend for how good he is at that stupid pick.
He is Singed OTP Challenger korea before he went pro.
I mained singed support when I still played 😅 predator + WE is freelo
Singed is the only champion in the game that both can't deal ranged damage in front of himself while also not having a gap closer, this forces him to use his body to directly interact with you in many cases moreso than any other champion in the game (want to kill that champion with 50 HP? You have to get in melee range with no gapcloser) In most cases in teamfights, Singed's fling is used 1 of 3 ways: peel, dive (bring enemy into team), trying to kill. It can be used as a get off me tool past the early game but that is rare and oftentimes a waste of the utility of fling, a good fling vs a bad fling can easily determine whether a teamfight is terrible or amazing by itself and it's not providing much utility to his team if it's used only to protect himself.
Ranged champions already try to run away from you while dealing damage (we have a word for that, called kiting! The same thing singed does.) and they also only turn around and actually run towards you when they're confident the trade will go well. The difference with singed's kiting and a ranged champion's kiting is he generally has to put himself in danger in the first place before he starts doing it (there are rare exceptions with a super ideal teamfight flank, but it's FAR more common for a range champion to be able to stay out of range for an entire teamfight than it is for singed to do the same. Singed won't even have an opportunity like this in most games.)
Purposely avoiding head on fights when you won't win them is not different than any other champion, that's how the game should generally be played (it's inting to do otherwise, afterall). In the last couple of years proxying is more used than ever, and arguably also more effective on several other top laners than it is on Singed (largely because they can also take jungle camps, minion damage isn't very relevant, roam of other champions towards mid lane is sometimes stronger like Riven. The only difference is that they might have to wait till level 3-5 instead of doing it at level 1)
Singed goals in a fight is definitely not to be annoying, it's pretty much the same as every other champ (kill a champ, cc a champ for team to kill, peel a champ from team, damage a bunch of champions, crowd control a bunch of champions with rylais, etc). While you can try to play the game as singed where you're just a distraction and running away from everyone all the time, and while sometimes this will be the right choice it is fundamentally the wrong way to think about the champion and you will never succeed at the champion in high elo by doing so (at least these days).
^this!
i mean yes but no, after a certian time passed, that is definately the case, but the thing with singed is that he just does not lane against you like any other champion does. A singed "laning" against an immobile top champion like pretty much any tank or bruiser except maybe the 4 horsewoman of top lane will essentially proxy waves and try not to get cought to avoid direct confrontation. The fact that you need at least 2 people, top and jug to stop him and both losing xp and gold while a Singed who probably built Rylais can still get away means he is basically winning lane by merely existing behind enemy lines, which does not really help his team in the long run and only disrupts the game flow for the enemy top laner, jungler and potentially mid laner. He does not need kills, he can go 0/5 and still do the enemy top laner dirty, because even a tryndamere can't push with no wave. His enemy can't leave his lane, because singed will be able to immeadeately attack your tower, while you will not be able to retaliate and if your roam fails, you lose a lot more xp and gold than just forcing the enemy to back and then roam. Even if your roam succeeds, you may not get a kill, but instead an assist and the time lost by fighting somewhere else is just too much to be worth it against a singed who has essentially already pushed the wave before you roamed. Even if you do menage to kill a singed, because he held your wave so far back and his respawn timer is so low in the early game, he will most likely not even lose XP and gold at all. This changes as soon as the teamfights begin and the death timer gets longer, but essentially Singed is the only champion in the game who can entirely ignore his lane opponent and still win lane, that's why he does not interact with the enemy in the same way other champions do.
@@kanna5721 not reading all that but singed proxying and avoiding your lane opponent isnt the best into most tanks and many bruseirs as you said and def shouldnt be default go to strategy, with ignite+aery/conq singed can easily kill and snowball these lanes and will benefit from that a lot more than just going proxy, but to know that and know into which champs you actually can run setup to win lane instead of proxy or predator roam setup needs some games on him.
@@kanna5721 i mean on paper sure proxy is busted when you say it like that but singed is usually down in gold vs most matchups! Last season (cuz this season is just starting) the ONLY champ he had positive gold vs at 15 mins was Shen (who was the champ with 0 matchups with positive gold at 15 mins). So in practice its not broken at all, and the only reason singed even does proxy is because almost every toplane champ will win vs singed in lane or in any head on confrontation.
Cyntri got it. Even in clips where he said "singed doesnt want to fight and interact, the video in the back showed singed trading hits with his opponent.
This video makes sense if you never watched someone play this champ.
What do you mean?
You mean you're some singed main's fan?
Clueless @@wylle1566
@@tenpiedad9844 The entire video is built on the 5000% incorrect premise that Singed's entire purpose is to run away from enemies and not interact. Which is literally the exact opposite of what the champ does. Singed is literally one of, if not THE, best 5v5 team fighting champs in the game. Singed can cause more chaos for and damage to the enemy team than virtually any other champ in the game if played properly, in addition to being able to both engage/initiate team fights/skirmishes and peel other allied carries during team fights/skirmishes.
The entire Proxy Singed strategy was created solely as an answer to Singed's below F tier laning phase vs a lot of other champions. But the thing is, it's easily countered by any amount of jungle attention. Of course, due to the pre current season meta, top lane has been largely ignored by junglers for years. With the introduction of the grubs, that's no longer the case. And the funny thing is that Singed isn't the only champion who uses the proxy strategy on a regular basis if they are up against a bad or counter-pick matchup.
Also, the video is just stuffed full of entirely inaccurate statements about how the champion works, terrible comparisons, outdated information, and contradictions between what the vid claims and the clips used in the video to supposedly demonstrate those claims. 6:34 is a perfect example of this internal contradiction of the video where he claims Singed wants to avoid physically interacting, but literally shows Singed physically fighting, trading and actively persuing the enemy Yone in melee combat for an extended period. And the video is stuffed full of these cases of the footage he's using to try to justify his incorrect and invalid statements literally show what he's saying is pure BS.
The whole thing just feels like someone had a bad experience laning against a Singed and they decided to make a video raging about it based entirely on their complete lack of understanding of not only the champ but a lot of fundamental concepts of League in general.
@@OverworkedITGuyvars entire shtick is thinking he knows what his talking about, his an armchair analyst. Expect shit analysis.
Singed is actually an anagram for design
Makes sense, he was the first champ Riot designed XD
Dam now all makes sense
Nice muscles dude
Fun fact : It can be translated (kinda) as "Monkeyed" in french.
I know I'm not supposed to chase Singed players, but my pride as a Rammus OTP simply doesn't allow me to do so, there is only room for ONE speedster on MY rift. Singed I will chase you till the end of the earth, NO till the end of Runeterra. No matter how many times you backflip me and slow me.. I will keep rolling to you. Should you kill me, I will continue to haunt you forever in the afterlife by spamming /all Chat
ok
Are you rammus because youre the fastest or are you the fastest because youre rammus?
Spiderman 90s energy - "SHOCKAAAEEERRR, YOU CANT ESCAPE MEEE, I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EAAAAAARTTTTH"
Both of them are on my top 3 most played champs, I started with rammus but being able to stay fast and not get my speed interrupted by hitting someone makes singed's speed a bit more reliable imo
The fast may chase the singed, there is no other being that can. Rammus is a good close second though.
Everyone hates a good Singed player. Also though, everyone respects a good Singed player.
We hate the good ones because they make the game nearly impossible to win unlike any other champ in the game. It's not like most carries that you can just catch out making mistakes. Oh, look, we caught Singed out, away from his team. Lets get him. Wait. We cant catch him and the enemy team is getting objectives while we chase this asshole.
@@EGreeneConversationsyep, that’s the wrong move your team made there. Even if you go at him with 4 people and Singed dies, it drags you away from the base and allows the enemy team to take towers on the sideline. He’s not mind controlling you, just push him off with 1 person who wins the 1v1 and stop getting baited. He also takes towers kinda slow without void grubs, so if you win a team fight, your team can take 2 turrets in the time he gets 1.
Just because Singed players are focused on the macro game doesn’t mean you have to forget about your macro game.
@@EGreeneConversationsthen don't chase hin
-tips since 2011
I like Vars's videos but he's exactly the type of person who the saying "Gamers make bad devs" is exactly about. Singed brings something else to the table, it's different and unique and there is nothing wrong with it, in fact, I think the league needs a lot more of it, not another 5 different types of Samira, 6 dash assassins blah blah blah.
Don't get me wrong, hate singed but I am glad he's in the game.
Imagine saying that Singed's gameplay is unfair and unfit for the game when characters like Yone exist.
Agree as well
@@Oscar97o Two things can be true at once.
@Oscar97o While Yone is overloaded like a mother trucker, bringing him into the conversation adds nothing. Both can be true, and both can be wrong.
Fortunately, Smolder is one of this unique type of characters being a caster marksmen with the "procect the adc" type of gameplay.
It brings a whole new experience to the game where you're basically playing an AD mage that needs to be protected and it even fits tematically with the champion being a baby dragon
Singed is an engage/disengage hybrid specialist who forces engages onto himself with constant lane pressure, and it's very predictable how he's played, as he's forced to lane he can be beaten with a bit of early jungle coordination.
Or just pick yorick and take his tower with mistwalkers while he proxy.
Vars: "singed doesn't belong in League because his playstyle is so different"
me: ok, and?
Everything that needed to be said thank you
To be fair he said its only about his kit and not about the playstile, he even said it with the splitpush example where you avoid enemy's too.
But I guess you meant that anyway.
some of the things you are saying are just completly wild. like "singed is never the reason your team wins a game": singed has probably the best team fighting in the game and solo wins fights a lot of games. I think you are looking at it from way too much of a theoretical standpoint while also not considering the singed players pov. Just like any champ singed wants gold, kills, and any other advantages he can get
That's pure copium you are inhaling there, while he does provide a lot of dmg and a fair amount of cc to a fight he is not the best teamfighter, he lacks the big tram foght move like orianna, malphite, yone or lillia
@@nechocat1234 xd fs man wombo comboes are what makes a champ be strong in fights because they are just so consistent. yone is balanced around being bad in teamfight situations, since hes strong in sidelanes, and you even suggesting him being a good teamfighter is wild
@@nechocat1234 during 2-3 item situations singed is the best and most consistent teamfighter, atleast out of every champ ive ever played.
@@EdeewLol during 2 item situitions the best team fighter is yone that IS his peak performance, at the same time yone is not an easy to execute champion even with all the free bs riot gives him, maphite has no item requirements to do his job that is one of his selling point it doesn't matter if you are behind you can still get a 3 man ult and win a teamfight, orianna also doesn't need items to be one of the most impactful champs on teamfight, but she requires lots of practice and good positioning, singed is the most effective when a teamfight has dissolved and people are not fighting together, like blue bot against red mid and jungler in red with red bot against mid and jungler in river happening at the same time, this lets singed apply full dmg to both groups without risking getting perma stunned
@@nechocat1234 Singed is probably among the top 10% in terms of teamfighting in the game. A full on 5v5 teamfight, a singed is more likely to be able to disrupt the fighting in a way that makes the team win. In soloq that is. He thrives on chaos, creates chaos and disrupts in a way that is quite unique. While very different from other assassins, assassins also thrive on chaos. Singed isnt picked in proplay, for a number of reasons. But one of those reasons, and one that he shares with a lot of other assassins is that you want chaotic teamfights. You dont get that in proplay now, everything is far more coordinated.
But lets say over 100 teamfights, where you have malphites, singed, orianna, yone or lillia, i would not be suprised if the singed was the most consistent. Because he doesnt have a big wombo that he uses to win the teamfights, he doesnt have one that can miss either. You mess up malph ult, youre a bit useless afterwards. The same kinda goes for the others, while singed just runs around, flips and grounds, and disrupts.
Singed is absolute peak of LoL design in terms of simplicity/depth ratio.
Agree, to play him well you need to have an even bigger knowledge of your's and the enemy's character
What a fantastic champion. I fucking hate this place.
Well, if you rearrange his name it literally says Design
yea man press R and get every possible stat in the game
cool design
I just wish they’d rework his R. Give him a gas bomb or something, let him fill a large area with gas like in lore. Or some sort of visible noxious traps. Idk but his current ult is so boring
i have a feeling that Vars was fucked by a Singed recently
(even tho i dont main Singed, in my opinion he is a very cool something differnt)
He has been getting fucked by singed since 4 years. That being said singed fucks everyone up
Its a free country, you have the right to be wrong.
If Singed was truly a problem then you would see him being used in pro-play, or you would see lots of Singed players reaching masters, but you don't see him there, he's super rare, because he's actually super predictable, he only really has two options, to lane or proxy farm, and if you know where your opponent is going to be in a game full of competent players then there is no problem.
@@CoronaMage to be fair he was used in pro play, SP Singed
@@CoronaMage The problem is that a champ can be problematic even when it has no presence in proplay.
Case in point, Sion.
I mean, you say that his optimal strategy is only running away... Have you considered that his optimal strategy is teamfights is actually so spread his poison across the entire battlefield while tagging as many enemies as possible? He doesn't have a dash and a lot of people have learned it isn't worth their time to chase. So Singed needs to balance engage, disengage and positioning against the enemy team to efficiently spread his damage source. That's actually pretty interactive in my eyes.
If you only count on people chasing him, you're getting brainwashed by the memes and lose a more critical view on his playstyle.
Agree, he's not a Fiora or a Darius, he doesn't want to 1V1 the enemy because he will most likely lose. But he wants to be in a team fight, that's the moment where he shines the most
That's literally the reason I started playing with him, he is so chaotic and fun to play in the middle of a team fight. He will throw the enemy ADC into the front line, slow everybody, and if played correctly will make the enemy team waste everything, while being an active threat the whole time
He's not the 1V9 killing machine or the 13K Health CC monster that everyone expects from the top lane. But there's not a single ADC safe from his E during a Team fight!
I'm reading this comment section, and at least for me, a lot of people respect a good singed player
i know it might make him op, but it would be nice if he had some kind of taunt attached to his first autoattack on champions every x amount of seconds, would go along with the interactivity thing, and play into his poison
except even in teamfights he wants to stay the fuck away from you, just surround you so you make the mistake of moving inside the cloud. defending singed is defending the braindead smurfs ruining everyones games and saying smurfing is not a problem. it's stupid and we both know it
I mean that depends on your definition of interactive. AP shaco spamming traps is also pretty uninteractive. If you’re entire goal is to avoid all confrontation but still be annoying that sounds pretty uninteractive
Oh fucking please, Singed isn’t maximizing his poison. He stat checks your backline and just presses ghost and bleeds them out to death with zero counterplay while being tanky af and having like 700 movement speed. He is literally cancer and the only reason more people don’t bitch about him is because he is very unpopular. Same thing as Nilah or Zilean
One of my best friends is a singed main, he is by far one of the best players i know and play with, the amount of utility that he can bring to us when playing is so damn big just by proxying and making the enemy champion annoyed with the fact that they cant kill him every time is just insane. Singed reminds me the old days of league where people played that like a strategy game, his playstyle is really unique and in my opinion beside Singed may a divergent playstyle, he is really fine rn, he is a really good champion in the right hands and all singed mains have my respect for playing this dude pratically the same way that he is played since ever, i just wished that my main Heimerdinger got the arcane vgu instead of him bc he really dont need a vgu.
singed is a relic of what league damage used to be, it's why he is very volatile, for 3 seasons he's had no items which exaggerated his struggles of being a unique champ it's why he was nerfed as soon as we got old liandrys back. he isn't a bad champ or designed badly, the state of the game changed but singed has stayed the same.
I don't want to say you're wrong but singed isn't a champ that is solely based on his kit and I feel you're trying to compare a unique champs playstyle to champs that aren't as unique, like lets talk about his poison, his poison isn't a "fighting" tool its a fog of damage that the enemy team has to deal with, you're taking obj singed can zone with his poison, in team fights he can spread dmg, effects from items, and fling the carry towards the team.
I think to say he is the reason the team can't win just isn't true from my experience even in the last 3 seasons being able to just perma slow the whole enemy team with rylais is enough utility and flings and goos and he does a lot for the team, hell team wants to take drag? singed can split top get 4 people on him cuz he's been proxying and executing all game and the enemy team want him dead and their tier 3 tower alive.
all singed really needs is a shield on his fling or goo+fling, literally all he needs since he has items now. To really understand singed you have to play him and int a couple hundred times then u understand why this champ is so beloved among people that play him.
Edit: why say singed is meant to not interact with the enemy but show nothing but clips of singed interacting with his enemies. Just because he's not a micro based champ doesn't mean he's on a different axis of playing the game. like I said before you really have to play him for a while to really get him.
Any champ that has no counter play is inherently broken. Singed takes no skill at all compared to real champs. Any champs that can proxy are badly designed dumpster fires. They are boring to play, boring to play against and are either useless or completely impossible to deal with. That means he is a bad champ inherently. Singed players just cope by thinking that proxy is the smartest thing in the world and that no one has ever done it before.
@@SaintSoba singed's toplane matchups are damn near nothing but counters.
Proxying is just a strategy, if you don't have the champ to stop it or not pinging jungle or mid to rotating, it's kinda on you cuz singed really only can proxy a lot if the matchup that are insanely bad to lane in.
I don't get what you mean by singed doesn't take skill like a "real" champ, like what do you mean? I'll give mechanically but i bet if you picked up singed you'd do nothing but int. Mechanical skill =/= macro skill.
Honestly this all comes off as you got gapped by a singed top that proxy'd you to your nexus getting destroyed
@@SaintSoba You've been inting your last three vs singed matchups, haven't you?
@@BoneWalker i think he one of those people who play 200 years champ, decide to chase singed and just die from it 😂😂
Or just some kid who only know how to fight and nothing else so they get bored when the singed just run around and not fighting
@@BoneWalkerthats uh, none of your business.
The best part about Singed is that he is one of the most important characters in league's lore, at least half the champions in the game have some kind of connection with him.
He is also a clear reference to some of the worst "doctors" in human history with Arcane only scratching the surface of the things he has done (and that he will do).
Yet despite all that he has the goofiest gameplay in the entire game.
As a Singed OTP i see this video as a absolute win
you shouldn't, this youtuber is trying to get your favorite champion deleted ("reworked").
@@michaelfetter5413 I just love when somebody hate us,also, what his opinion can do?cmon, it's Riot.
@@michaelfetter5413won’t happen lol
Singed wont get reworked
@@michaelfetter5413 nah they cant minihcap1 wouldnt allow it
i have to say that after maining jungle for several years, feeling bored with the game, deciding to roleswap to top and otping singed was one of the best decisions, playing him made me actually enjoy league again. He's just so fun to play and that he is so different from any other champ in league is so great. Thank you mr.singed 🙏
Vars: Singed bad.
People: Haha bee Singed goes brrrrrr.
I love singed, I never played him but I love playing against him, it brings fun in to a game that is all about 1shotting people and I love that
Hard disagree, I think his design is exactly what a champion needs to forever be a very distinct pocket pick with ultra dedicated mains. He is so distinct, no other champion comes close to how he fights other than maybe Lillia, and his win con is much more distinct than Yorick's pushing 6 lanes at once while doing his taxes.
He is infuriating, but that is very much what he is meant to do, just check the entire team all game and prove much more pressure than you can imagine by focusing solely on running.
Singed has the best champion design in all of League of Legends and this video is 14minutes and 29seconds of straight trolling.
Singed main dropping by to place a curse upon this channel until league reworks my purpose in life
Tell me you havent played singed without telling me you havent played singed
Singed is an anagram for design but little did Sotere know it would only take 200 years for his design to be realized as the perfect champ not needing the overloaded kit but by needing to run away
Eeeey leave my boy alone he is perfect as the way that he is
100%
In my experience playing Singed, he forces you to confront him not by running away and being annoying, but running INTO you and being annoying. Singed is a walking skillshot, and if he can’t lure you into his poison cloud, then he’ll simply bring his poison cloud to YOU. And with his Passive and Ult giving him move speed boost after move speed boost, whenever he’s in a team fight, his game plan is to gun it right for the backline, getting his poison right in the enemy team, and forcing the target in a bad position.
I disagree on a couple of accounts
One, I believe an uniteractive playstyle(split pushing or funneling) than a kit that is unitaractive, because singed at the end if the day wants to scale and team fight kinda like kayle or kassadin, unlike kayle and kassadin and more like sion his kit leaves him vulnerable while trying to farm conventionally against the 80% of toplaners (espically the popular ones) which leads singed and sion to proxy and/or die for the wave because it's more worth to get both layers ahead than fall behind as the scaling champ
Two, there are TONS of uniteractive champs. Teemo for example which you name in your video his whole playstyke revolves trying to be as untouchable as possible kiting away from you with his move seed and traps he has set sown and if you do get to him pray you don't need your autos and you point is that he still wants to kill you, it's not like singed doesn't want to kill people I guess he doesn't in the early game but again that's most hard scaling Champs. And to add to that most anti carries want to stop interaction. For example malzhar, granted you can interact with him early but once he gets a few levels and components he just perma shoves wave and stopping him alot of the time is too risky as he will literally stop you from playing the game(if thats not uniteractive idk what is) and his jungler will come to help him kill you while your keyboard isn't installed and it's not like late game he's any different he just ults the person he believes he ults who he when he should. I could go on(Kennen, Quinn, zed, shaco ect.) But for better or worse uniteractive gameplay is just a part of lol ,hell 90% of the cast that's 20 and 0 will definitely feel uniteraftive and unfair(side not ik none of these things I've named are exactly known to be fun to play against but I feel that it would not be the same game without them and your whole point was that singed doesn't go by the games rules)
Final (minor) point I disagree with your point on his e being used mostly as a get off me tool. Take note this argument is based almost entirely on personal experience and what I see other singed players do. I really find that for most part it's used aggressively. Honestly most of times I or singed mains i see use it defensively is in laning( as discussed is really weak) and for when your playing for the win condition of peeling for your carry in a fight which usually you only when you are too weak whether the enemy adc got too fed or you made mistakes while laning itemizing or selecting runes. Most of the time, in the mid to late game (which is what you're playing for as a singed) you use it catch opponents out for your team and in team fights usually as you run in and out of it you wanna fling the adc in to clump up the enemy teams life harder and makes it hard for said adc to stand still and auto attack you to death.
Anywho, absolutely 0 hate towards you vars(if you even read this unholy amount of text, sorry) I'm not infallible we can have differing options and I genuinely love how most of your videos encourage talking about game design and balance from a semi objective point of view where unlike most of lol who just wants to wine about whatever they lost lane against you help create a positive discussion to talk about the game and(this time) champ I love Love your videos keep it up
My first question was, why is there 2 Alistars??
I dont play singed but he is one of my fav champs to have in the whole game. The whole playstyle of running around flipping everyone around while being tanky is quite funny.
The game was made to be fun and goofy so having a champ to represent that is great.
The problem is that Singed never skips leg day
"Interaction: The occurrence or situation in which two or more events or objects act upon one another to produce a new effect; the effect resulting from such an occurrence or situation"
You interact with his poison trail, he flips you over his head, throws you into a puddle of sticky... Sounds interaction enough to me bruh.
Anytime i play against a singed, i can't help but get the feeling that they're just giggling uncontrollably the entire time
FACTS, we always have fun!
Every singed player is zonked out of his mind on every drug in order to make the decisions singed would irl
watch some miniscap clips, his cackle is iconic
@@christophermikiewicz7083as a singed player who dabs before every match i approve this message
While it doesn't prove your point moot I would like to add that being rooted when thrown into adhesive, adhesive having the grounding effect and Singes passive have all been changes since the original release. So while he hasn't been reworked, he definitely has had some QoL updates that have helped him stay relevant and that also fully reinforce his playstyle and identity.
I smell the strong bias in this video. You just got rolled by a Singed in your game, didn't you, Vars?
He doesn’t even know how singed plays
I agree with some of your points that singed is frustrating, but implying that the purpose of singed in a game is not to interact but to stall is completely ridiculous, singed is a champion that wants to damage and fight you, but in his terms, the same way a rammus only wants to fight high attack speed champions. How is singed playstyle any less interactive than an adc with great mobility like zeri kiting away? It's the exact same thing, singed wants to exerce his pressure while you can't exerce yours, like an adc attacking from range
Singeds weaknesses are also similar to adcs, if a full build Caitlyn tries to stand still and tank a bruiser she will most likely die, the same is true to singed, singed can only win situations where he is either damaging multiple people or damaging and weaving in and out of the range of his enemy.
Singeds optimal strategy isn't to run away, because enemies aren't that dumb. Singeds optimal strategy is to keep his poison tagged while avoiding damage the maximum that he can, because while many champions have aoe abilities, singeds kit allows him to damage 5 enemies in the same rate he would damage one, so he actually benefits the most of putting himself in dangerous situations of disadvantage if he can escape the enemy's damage
In summary, singed works like a ranged melee champ that is forced to come in melee every few seconds to exerce his ranged pressure, he feels annoying because of his confusing design to learn to deal with
I think singed should become a full ap champion that doesn't build tank very often, like gwen, right now he resembles mordekaiser in durability and usability of ap but in my opinion If his build consisted most of damage and they tuned down his durability a bit he would feel way less overwhelming to play against as it would emphasize the kiting and avoiding cc and damage on his kit instead of tanking + flipping and disengaging.
singed was the most unique champion for years (almost an entire decade)
even now he has an incredibly unique playstyle that even functions with LoL's mechanics
singed is a great champion
Maybe this is why even riot banned a singed support who was a mad house
So to summarize, Singed is supposedly bad because he's not like any other champion and having a playstyle unique to him that doesn't follow the same rules as everybody else. So... how exactly is that bad design? If it's in the game, and it's a viable strategy to take, it literally does not matter, nor should it matter, if you like it. Either adapt, or counter it with your own strategy. Complaining about "being unfair" just because you got used to certain kind of gameplay is just being petty and sore loser. To win, one does not have to adhere to a thing everyone else does, and thinking you should is just cringe.
And that is not to mention that Singed has literally the same kind of combat presence and positioning as Lilia, yet you don't see anyone complaining about her, much less balance patching to her name.
Uniqueness is great and should be expanded, not branded as bad design and frowned upon as unfair.
NO YOU DONT GET IT EVERY SINGLE CHAMP IN THE GAME HAS TO BE THE SAME WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL CREATIVITY AND FUN OUT OF THE GAME WE NEED A SINGED REWORK LIKE THE AATROX ONE THAT TOOK A UNIQUE AND FUN CHAMP AND TURNED IT INTO RIVEN!!!!!!
Well i played singed in few season (oh golden zz'rot portal era) as well as "playable only when proxy" etc, new league goes more into interaction between champions (changes to WW, Nunu Q spam probably malza sooner or later) singed as champion literally dont want to interact with you in any way, like stacking Susan (its changes when he have enough stacks tho) whole Singed gameplay is fked like most old champs (remember old Anivia ult? :P) league is changing and have no place for non interactive mechanics (reason why i stopped played as well, they ruined my fun for sake of interactions thinking about going back with new map tho....)
Edit: Lilia is similar but other than R she dosn't have get off me button she is more interactive and have shorter range of damage dealing than singed
And dont get me wrong i loved/love singed even old 0/20 minion gold worth carry strategy
It makes me genuinely wonder how long some people have been playing the game. Back in 2013, you WANTED champs to be different. Corki worked way different than Veigar, who all worked extremely different than Kassadin, and those were all mid picks.
I remember when the game was entirely wacky and fun. I used to play Singed bot lane with my friend who played Annie, I would Fling ADCs directly into Tibbers stuns. I don’t understand why people get this way when a game gets figured out that every character has to be the same.
I don’t think Singed is as one-dimensioned as you seem to think, but I definitely see why people hate him. Running away is *definitely not* always the most ideal situation for him in fights. Especially so in recent metas.
Bad players struggle with not chasing singed so he has to always be over weak to have a balanced wr because he’ll win too much in gold elo if not so infuriating
As a top main I've never really had an issue with Singed, I want unique champs, especcially ones as skill expressive as Singed since his teamfight, roaming, and splitpushing potential are all huge it makes the match very interesting in a way it never feels unfair. I definitely get why he's annoying, but I'll take him over K'sante, Yone, or Akshan any day of the week
Singed : Catch me if you can without dying
singed is one of the only thing that keep me playing League, the others are shaco and the chat
worst thing to me would be to make the game boring, it's not like the game is good or balanced to begin with
I love singed. No matter if I’m tryharding in ranked, goofing around in norms, or playing aram I tend to enjoy all the characters that are different . I’m an ivern main in ranked. Champs like this I think add a breathe of fresh air to this game.
I actually think you missed the point here, Vars. As a long-time Singed main, I disagree with your assertion that Singed's main gameplay focus is avoiding interaction. In fact, I think it's quite the opposite. Singed actually wants to force interactions, but only ones that favor him. If he can't force the interactions in lane, he'll go proxy and force you and your jungler to come deal with him, thereby wasting large amounts of both of your time. Singed is all about forcing enemies to do things they don't want to do.
Personally I don't think that's a healthy design. It makes for unfun and annoying interactions. May be enjoyable from Singed's POV, but it's irritating from the people having their time wasted from a champion that's just going to run away.
But that's also the problem. He's not a champion that you can just ignore either, because he's going to cause damage to your top laner directly (minion damage) or gradually lower the plates. So you're being forced into a scenario that, without extreme damage and lockdown, he just wins.
So basically we are playing chess and singed is playing 4d chess. Ok got it.
Singed is like the magic rooster episode from southpark, singed is casting eldrich horror while everyone plays volleyball, and to compensate the different gameplays; the singed player gets to eliminate players for free
Rule #1: Never chase a Singed
The unspoken rule.
What could go wrong??
Rule #34: 💀
Singed mains hate their lives so much that it isn't enough, they have to make opponents hate their lives too
This video has big “I chase singed” energy. Lol
I haven't even gotten past the mandatory ads before the video starts and I'm already pre-emptively angy that anyone could call anything wrong with my favourite oddball.
In Dota, Batrider has a very similar ability in leaving a big trail of fire, he even gets an amped version of the toss by just actually dragging you for like 3 seconds. Its definitely problematic in its own way for top play, but its interesting how in a different context that kit still seems to be more reasonable in Dota than in league.
In my opinion, I think it's because Batrider is designed in a much more fair way. Of most relevant here, his Firefly ability has an uptime of 50% at max rank, so he can't rely on it like Singed can perpetually rely on his poison trail. That's a pretty big factor.
The other factor here is that Batrider isn't obnoxiously tanky and absurdly fast. Batrider's Firefly gives him free pathing (over terrain), but it doesn't make him any faster and Batrider's movespeed is also pretty low as well.
Also, since Batrider isn't obnoxiously tanky, if he is caught, he can die pretty easily. Big slows, stuns, roots all cripple him pretty badly and he dies very quickly before he can do his thing. And on the note of "his thing", he's designed to be something of a Blitz where you pull an enemy into your team for a guaranteed (or likely guaranteed) kill through Blink -> Flaming Lasso -> Force Staff back into your team. Singed isn't this, his job is to just run around like the world's most annoying cockroach.
In terms of playstyle Bristleback is much closer, in the sense of being a melee kiter.
Their only similarity is the trail, but gameplay wise they are totally different.
Batrider has huge kill presence in lane because of napalm stacks. You can see level 4 batriders diving your midlaner and not dying.
The other is mobility. Yeah Batrider isnt fast but he has flying movement and can use Blink Dagger.
@@ArilandoArilando Even then, Bristle is much easier to deal with by exploiting his weaknesses.
He's very vulnerable to slows. Singed is too, but he gets much higher movespeed from his ult than Bristle does. CC also is more plentiful and lasts longer in Dota.
He has very specific counters, like Faceless Void using his W to make his low CD spells actually take 10-15 seconds to come off CD. Void is also a great counter to Bristleback's damage reduction passive because he can force freeze him for a few seconds and hit him in his front.
Bristle is also completely countered by Break. So you pick Viper or Hoodwink, or you buy Silver Edge (which is a great reliable source of Break). You can also get Break through PA's Shard.
There's plenty of ways to make Bristle manageable. Singed is just fucking annoying. You can lock him down, but then you've just wasted most/all of your CC on the frontlining tank that isn't doing that much damage **and** there's no guarantee he dies because he's Singed. So now you have nothing left for his team.
Singed is a very old champion, and there was no rules back then, it is cool in a way that there is a champion that does not want to interact with enemies directly and just runs and stinks around a teamfight while not caring about anyone, he is a tank that taunts the player by being annoying, but have patience and deal with his team first, he is not really an immediate threat (at least if some ap items in league did not add cc and on-hit max health % burn to abilities)
I did not know singed's passive got changed to a movespeed buff, I thought it was still runic bulwark lol
I play Singed a lot when auto filled jungle and he's one of the best at stalling time, protecting carries and punishing aggression - which makes for quite non-linear and independent playstyle, not falling off a cliff like a feeding Lee sin
As a singed main i strongly disagree with a lot of what you said. One point being that he is not there to win a game, but if a game lasts longer than 25 minutes, Singed is pretty much the best Teamfighter in the game. No one can outrun you when you reach 700-1k movement speed, skillshots wont hit anymore and the damage is crazy, while slowing everything and flinging enemies into your team. His ability to escape makes him an awesome splitpusher, switching lanes faster than you can react to.
Also, what is this reasoning: He has a different playstyle than everyone else, so he doesn't belong in the game? Go two steps further and we can get rid of all but one champ. I didnt like any other champs for a long time, but Singed kept me playing, because he is fun.
Imo, flinging into poison is also just a nice to ha...ppen. Flinging fleeing enemies into goo/teammates, thats the sh*t.
I think the best way to make Singed less aggregating is to actually double down on the poison trail idea instead of him just flinging enemies into poison. Maybe he can use his trails to create shapes that fill in areas (for example if singed makes a circle out of poison, the shape fills in doing much less damage than the area he marked). I guess he could gain bonus combat stats while submerged in poison making him more of a AP bruiser that controls wide areas of space rather than playing tag against the enemy team.
Then again, he is super unique to League already and even if I don’t like the execution of his gameplay, I do like the concept.
Honestly? I mean… I’m biased as an enjoyer of the champ, but I genuinely believe there are many, MANY far worse designs in league. He’s just not fun to deal with - cruel and unusual is likely accurate.
The sin singed commits is noninteraction, but many champs can force interaction and he’s not the only champ that actively diminishes interaction. If you catch him out earlier in the game he can’t really get out, he can’t kill if you’re on him and he can’t get back in the game - a common weakness of many top laners that don’t have comeback mechanics or long term objectives that they are uniquely equipped to handle.
So, yeah he might not be super fun to deal with but he’s not an outlier in that respect and with knowledge of the champion (or your own champ into him). I’ve been learning his “high-rank psychopath” playstyle lately and he’s genuinely incredibly fun and educational, not to mention the depth he has in just his W alone!
I think the best comparison I could give to his kit is dropping a dota character like meepo or the techies into LoL. His power budget is focused on his sheer potential and range of versatility, having to compensate with careful gameplay but providing several ways to bend the rules.
(At least, that’s how it feels having a little bit of dota in the past and taking a genuine interest in their character designs)
I’m probably not the popular opinion on this, but I genuinely hope singed never gets overhauled or reworked. I already found his kit interesting before getting lost in the sauce, but having played him now he just offers so much to the game and so much insight on how players play and understand the game that losing him and his playstyle would be a genuine tragedy. I get he’s not liked but it doesn’t change the impact he’s had or what he provides. If anything, I’d rather see ashkan, yone, kaisa, or even someone like belveth or zilean reworked before he is.
(I don’t like the new champs that compensate for their kit design by including 99 billion passives and catch-up mechanics, by the way. Yone shouldn’t have yasuo ult on a basic.)
Quick reminder Singed has a world's skin
This one is a miss. He's interactive if he wants to be affective; he has to run through ideally 5 champions in teamfights, opening him up to getting locked down.
Proxy farming is a huge risk that opens him up to death; and even running him off the wave before he can get it and forcing him back into lane can become a huge advantage for the enemy top laner.
last turn is actually banned because of rulling issues because of how piss pour its worded
Its funny to see you using singed420 footage.
Man, I do miss him. His streams were the best.
Someone got recently stomped by singed in lane
You should probably define what interaction is in future videos, Because I would think going into melee range with the enemy, while remaining targetable, is interaction.
"his optimal playstile is to run away" you never played singed this video is just a loss of credibility
I definitely noticed the throughlime between this video and your Vars III video on Smash top tiers also being toxic because of interactions.
I love that take
Man - you mentioning Shyvana's aura in a Singed video makes me miss her fire trail.
Back in the day her W would leave a firey trail behind her when in dragon form. Basically worked like Singed's trail.
Man i haven't seen a singed player in years it feels like.
he’s gotten a lot more popular recently since AP bruiser items got a lot stronger.
@@chummyfudge8988WE HAVE ITEMS NOW!!!!! WOOOO!
Singed is unique, but not anywhere near the level of troll capable of a certain champ.
We need one of these for Bard. Every time I get one they put their ADC behind, int in other lanes, and absolutely throw the game for their team.
But if your complaint is that they die, the problem isn't with the champion, it is with the players.
Bards design is not "go die to the enemy all the time", he is made to roam. And the players who figure that out, have incredible success with him. It just seems like you can't separate your feelings from the analysis of the champ.
As someone who played a LOT of Singed back in the day I dunno he felt pretty interactive.
I think my main gripe with your analisis is that by that logic most ADCs are also uninteractive because if your being chased you spent most of that fight running back, firing an auto/ability then keep runing, repeating until you or the enemy dies.
Singed is about running into the enemy team and try to spread your poison around the battlefield, running between targets, flinging enemies into your team or hitting as many people as possible with your glue, poping your ult to run into the enemy ADC or support and fling them out of position or even running ahead of an enemy to block their exit with poison.
At least thats how i saw it, unless im the 1% singed who happens to be hyper agressive.
Singed is literally one of the most unique champions in the game and retires creativity to play effectively. To say he’s a poorly designed champion because he’s not been drastically changed is nonsense. I would argue the exact opposite, he’s the best designed champion because it’s immediately obvious what he does; run at you or away from you. He’s one of the more healthy champions because you can’t just play him Willy-nilly and you need to have good macro to play him at high level: which should be the case for every champion.
I think it would be cool if singed threw a poison cloud onto a specific area. Relatively small. But, if he or the enemy gets in the cloud, they drag the poison along with them.
Yea even i'm not reading all that stuff i wrote down there so here tl;dr: Basically, if you dont interact with him, he forces you to choose between his own, disadvantageous interactions. Either let him proxy, chase him and possible lose gold and exp, or take the initiative and force an interaction onto him before he does anything.
I feel as though singed doesnt discourage interaction, it instead forces a disadvantageous interaction on the enemy team if you dont stop him from getting into that position. You said no other champ can do the same thing to get advantage, but that is simply what a specialist is. They force you to interact with them differently than other champs. He doesnt discourage interaction, he makes you choose between interactions. For example you can decide to confront him in lane, keep him there and push the wave if your champ has wave clear, but if you dont do this, he will instead push the wave to under your turret, go get into his own advantageous position and get the outcome he wants. But that is still because of your choices in interacting with him. If you choose not to confront him in lane and let him do what he wants or if you dont push the wave that lets him force an interaction onto you, he'll push you under tower and go proxy causing your jungle to decide if he wants to come and help you try to kill him, or do something else causing him to be able to either proxy and get an easy advantage or take pressure off of botlane and let them be more aggressive, causing an interaction with botlane by simply pushing the wave and getting ganked.
Idk if this would be too similar to your other league series or videos, but maybe you can make a series or video on different champions who frequently get banned in ranked (ie. draven, eve, samira, etc.)?
singed has one of the highest dps's level 1 with conq and ignite, typically if you dont respect him he will win any early game duel with very easy to reach win conditions of fighting in teh wave, where slipstream will proc, once you kill them once its kinda over if the singed knows how to not play into the enemy win con
i was waiting for this one
Secret answer: nothing. Singed is perfect how he is.
I think it way completly undercut here how Singed will run at your carry in a teamfight and flips them behind him, then cutting off the enemies escape route through a slowing cloud of poison.
Singed os not the only champ that discourages interaction, Ap Shaco top also dies that
I think the key point really is what you say early on "the only reason he is such a problem is not due to his gimmick, but the circumstances in which the game has developed to not be welcoming of it."
I'd argue those developments have been the problem. They're focusing not on creativity of playstyle and strategy, but on continuous action / fighting and minimizing maneuvering and other strategic actions where it's not absolutely necessary for the game. They focus too much on champion to champion interactions instead of champion - neutral - champion or champion - neutral - map state - champion interactions.
You mentioned Yu Gi oh, let me tell you about the Spright/Runick meta..
They negated anything you did first turn, then proceeded to delete your whole deck by
letting you discard cards from your deck. discard 2. Discard 3 and because you discarded
discard 1. Discard, Discard, Discard. They can do this during your turn too.
Then they activate the effect of some other card, getting all the used spells used to discard
from the graveyard back to the hand, now its your turn:
Discard discard discard, add spells back to the hand, negate anything you do with handtraps
That was the whole game for a long time..
playing singed is like a dance of engaging and taunting the other team into your utility for your team to take advantage of unless youre stupidly fed or the other 4 teammates are stomping the game if youre not playing around your team youre not winning you HAVE to be where youre team needs you when they need you to dance correctly (and if youre a god at dodging skill shots and positioning just out of rage of the other enemy champs nothing feels better when you style on them and your team hits the ???? ping)
0:06 we were that close to having literal Megamind in League. Who ever decided to step down worth to be fired
0:10 That Pondseidon artwork is so old. Super OP this season.
Vars, I love what ya do and how nice your vids are but I'm feeling like this Singed vid is way too subjective to be appropriate.
Singed's kit is still the way it is purely from how well it has weathered the test of time. When he's strong or weak, its never a problem with Singed specifically. Its always his key items getting messed with that makes or breaks him. And that thing about zero interaction? A Bad Singed runs around like an idiot getting people to chase him, a Great Singed runs into the fight to cause chaos and be a massive AoE damage spreader like Brand and such but for a much bigger risk and payoff. He HAS to be in melee range to even do any damage to you and since he has zero dashes, the man has to be good enough to juke every single bit of CC you throw at him. If he's literally in your face, the man has earned the right to be there.
As for Fling? My guy, yeeting the enemy ADC into frontline is literally one of the biggest boons you can have as a champ and not only that, because its a displacement, it screws over a lot of other champs with dashes who are
**RUNNING AWAY**
Singed's kit is not purely defensive, even GLUE can be used in an offensive context since it grounds and can fuck over a Riven who's trying to jump over a wall and such.
The only truly lackluster part of his kit that could've been done better with his playstyle is his ult tbh. A stat steroid really isn't much of an ult even though it does give free Grievous Wounds.
Still enjoyed the vid though, thanks for that
He is one of the bests and the reason why I am playing the game ( I don't play him now days, but it's what hooked me in this drug)
"Inconspicuous yet insidious" is the perfect description of Singed
So far, it feels like the whole video is specifically about early game laning Singed
At least you're right about Singed's goal being to make you die inside lmao
Man when you sayd final coutdown from yugioh i got refresh of memory when play against bot, he used 3 in one turn and i was ohh shit