A BAD, BAD DAY...It got dropped...
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DENY THE SHIPMENT!!!! I work with shipping companies and machine sales for a living. The shipping company is liable for the damages, but they are notoriously bad at paying out insurance. This is especially true if you sign off on the shipment. Next, look at your invoice. Look at where your FOB is. FOB your place means the seller is going to have to handle it/they are liable. FOB point of origin (most likely) and the seller technically has to do nothing for you, and you have to work it out with the shipping company. Talk to the seller as well. They likely have experience in this. I know for me, we have had machines damaged in transit. If I have that same version in stock we replace the machine for the customer, even though we don't have to, and then handle the shipping company.
He's an English businessman he'll deny the shipment. The only reason they got away with it with the grinder is because they did a drop and run... This comment (yours) needs more likes though to bring it to Alec's attention
I hope he sees this.
Bump
He clearly says they're refusing them 10:38. Pay attention :p
This guy ships
I care more about these machines than most people.
Hey buddy, have you ever considered a lathe restoration?
I love these machines it is just such a shame on how carless people can be and love your channel
gonna need a really really big tub of antirust to sort them two broken bad boys out, or even better throw the dipshit on the forklift in the tub
Omgah, love your channel!
Dude I love watching your videos.
make sure the next ford you buy comes with the heated tailgate option. That way your hands wont get cold while you're pushing it.
C S hahah
@@JonAlycia haha burnt
Why did you buy a Ford? This isn't Europe. Shoulda got a Toyota.
Savage! love it !!!
@@A_Man_In_His_Van You mean a dodge, like one with a cummins
Not "some of the best" but the finest lathes ever made. The EE does better inside of 10 inches than any lathe ever made. In Mare Island where the US made nuclear submarines, inside the electronics shop, we made not only the gyroscopes that were used on nuclear submarines, but the gyroscopes that were sent to the moon, on the EE.
Sent to the moon? Hahaha...riiiiiiight.
Funny people still believe that nonsense.
Apollo's Inertial Measurement Units were made by Draper Labs in Cambridge MA, using 3 gyroscopes each made by the naval shipyard at Mare Island. Similar IMUs are used in submarines, but much larger and heavier. All made in Mare Island's electronics shop. Dove Bid auctioned off 14 Monarch 10EE lathes from there, which have a higher precision than any lathes ever made. Google is your friend. Oh, you are a conspiracy theorist. Heh.
@@JoshuaSeed Yeah he doesn't think we went to the moon.
@@JoshuaSeed You sir are one of a small group of men who could machine some of these components, kudos. I read recently we don't have machinists that could even make the Turbo Pumps for the Rocketdyne F-1's, nevermind the engines. We have gone forward in some areas and backwards in others.
@@bradmundies425 You believe in the moon?
Ford this, Chevy that, WHO CARES! THAT LATHE! I'm crying over here. That thing was absolutely stunning.
wingracer 16 i completely agree
Very sad
wingracer 16
I feel certain the local misanthropes over in Memphis did it. 30% are gangsters 30% are street beggars 30% are below Stupid and only 10% work.. it’s a lovely town, come and visit, bring a security team...
Best comment yet
It did look very well rebuilt its a shame but unfortunately im a chevy guy sorry😋
So here is a lesson for EVERYONE... if it's important if it's expensive if it's worth it... you do not send it via LTL (Less Than Truckload) on a van using common carrier. Common carriers such as Saia, Old Dominion (Old Dominos), Estes, etc are running balls out to keep their distribution centers going, and just about everything you ship gets cross-docked, which means it will get touched at least twice by a forklift. And it doesn't matter how it's packaged. I've seen forks punched right through 1/2 birch plywood and into high dollar architectural metal panels, delivered to my dock, because they don't care. If you have a truck, and it's less than an 8 hour drive, just get it your damned self. Otherwise, call a freight broker and arrange direct shipping either on a partial truck or a dedicated truck. Even small equipment like this, you can get a "hot shot" - a guy with a pickup truck towing a trailer. Not only do you eliminate the cross-docking with all the opportunities for getting forked, but these drivers actually care about their loads and consider it a point of personal pride that it be delivered on time and undamaged. (A lot of the hot-shot drivers are just retired truckers using personally owned super duty pickup trucks to earn a little extra money on the side, and they're often traveling with a wife and/or a small dog. It's so damned cute.) Worth the money when it's something like this.
Underrated comment. This guy knows his shipping stuff. Btw this is also true for Canada.
This absolutely needs to get up voted so Alec sees it. This is coming from a career truck driver who wholeheartedly agrees with the sentiment expressed.
TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN HERE!
Alec, listen to this advice. I've worked in LTL, OTR, and expedited freight, and I know which one I would use for anything of value!
100% Correct. Great Advice. Dedicated Transportation is much more money, but 100 times safer and 100 times more reliable.
"It's super close, it's in the state!" I'm not sure that Alec has yet grasped just how much empty space there is in the US.
Yup...Montana is about 60% bigger than the entire UK. And about 1/60 the population!! Hahaha.
This is so stupid. Australians would be heard saying the same thing, and we have roughly the same land area as the contiguous united states and we have 7 continental states.
You're making out a relatively normal statement to be dumb and it's just not.
please, in Australia we have suburbs as big as some us states. Same isze country but we have 7 states
"All our packages are coming in damaged."
Welcome to America.
Do you go for a forklift license in the usa
I've fired Dozens of "Forklift Operators" when you put a name with the damage ppl tend to handle it better. It's your job if you damage it with a Forklift, if you damage freight with a Forklift you weren't operating it correctly.
Uh. So that Monarch can range from 10-30k. Holeeeeeee crap. Man I hope the shipping company insurance picked that up. That and the Bridgeport. I'd have been devastated. Saw some nicely restored ones on eBay - BEAUTIFUL machinery.
The problem in not just the money, but good quality lathes are difficult to get. Even if they payd 100% of the damage 'which they probably will) getting a replacement will be difficult.
Actually... If you get a 10EE rebuilt at the factory they are about $60k. But you can also find 10EEs for a few thousand dollars, rather clapped out and with a horrid paint job on them. But a decent one that it looked like he had would be about 10-20k ish.
I recently did a 5200 mile road trip to transport a Leblond Regal I bought to my house, I was originally planning on shipping it, but the shipping ended up too expensive. I am a little extra happy I transported it myself, seeing the lathe on it's side was painful to see.
You can get new from factory 10ee at 150k. And Monarch does factory rebuilds that are amazing.
Please everyone like this video for these poor hard working guys.. 😭 spending so much money and time to make great content. So sorry for all the unfortunate events..
That was sad. Hurt my soul.
I feel worse for the guy that worked so hard to rebuild it like new, only for it to go straight back into his parts bin.
Those beautiful machines... Mechanical beasts made to last the ages, ruined by a careless ape. I'd be sending those back aswell. The freight company gonna be paying for that!
you should make a shirt that says "Where we dropping boys?" with the lathe and mill jumping out of a plane onto the map of Montana
Jason Scarcella Yes! Alec, if you make it I'll buy it. It needs a good WWII theme...
Hell of a way to win back some investment :D
I'd buy that in a second!
I'll buy it put the grinder in it it hitting the tail end of the plain, because clearly some *** poked his pallet forks in to it
Id buy it
that's not a protective cover on the belt grinder motor, it's the cooling fins of the motor. With parts broken off, they will not cool as much as is in the specs. Don't use it like this or you will void the warranty. Your motor will work, but will wear faster, or break down due to working at a slightly higher temperature...
Should be about as simple as replacing the motor and having the shipping company pay for it. Not nearly as big of a problem as the other two.
There is also a chance that the casing could be warped which could cause the armature to rub or even distort the flux fields causing uneven amperages across the windings which can burn out a motor very quickly. Listen to me, talking like I'm all knowledgeable and stuff!
IEC motors are normally rated for 40 °C ambient temperature (but check the name plate, it will mention Tamb; given it's Australian maybe they use higher / tropical grade motors for these grinders), so I doubt these few missing fins are a problem. They're generally very sturdy, so long as the bearings aren't tensioned/stressed it should be fine. Though still a stupid shipping damage. Must have been a pretty hard hit to break those fins off that cleanly.
It’s definitely been hit hard. It could have knocked the motor out of alignment. Don’t use it.
@@leospitz6541 that's a squirrel cage AC Induction motor not a DC, won't have an Armature, it has a rotor my dude
Came here from a comment on Abom's busted grinder video... that lathe and mill were not crated properly. When crating industrial machinery, you do so in a manner more rigid than if you were bolting it to the floor for use AND any balance issues CLEARLY indicated on every side of the crating. But in reality, if it's top heavy or special handling is an issue due to size... lay it down and/or take it apart and safely ship it in pieces. This load is entirely on the person crating them up.
I've heard of drop forging but this seems a bit ridiculous!
Wow I that sucks. The internet will get you back right. 👊🏼
Gee alec I hope you truly get your monies worth from those that jacked your stuff up
Those 2 machines were gorgous.. I feel bad for you brother..... I hope you have a better saturday.... and remember.. KEEP YOUR SHOP CLEAN. Lol
Sad to say this, but welcome to America, where that just how it is. If you don’t have insurance on shipping and they break some part, they likely aren’t going to tell you about, blame it on you and not fix it. Best of luck getting fixed!
The internet would probably savage anyone he points them at Jimmy, which may be a good thing as the lad hardly gives the impression he'd do more than call them a cad and refuse them tea and biscuits. You're from NY right? You know how this would go down there if things weren't made right quick sharp. Same as where I come from LOL
I sincerely hope the unemployment rate in Montana went up by 1 today. There’s no excuse for such carelessness. This equipment is finely tuned precision machinery meant for detailed work, not chunks of metal to be tossed about like one does with deadlifts. Smh.
Side note... here’s hoping Jimmy heads west to visit the boys once the shop is up and running for another Epic Collaboration video... (call Alex French Guy to fly out and cook up dinner, make it a 4way series across all 3 channels!!!)
I'm a truck driver and seeing freight that expensive being handled that carelessly absolutely infuriates me. Hope things turn around soon, Alec.
Thank you!! 🙏
well its not always carelessness. not saying it wasnt just saying that just because something happened it doesnt mean carelessness on default
@@raver377 What else would it be ? You don't knock over a piece of machinery like that on purpose.
after seeing the palett it was on it definitly looks like it was carelessness. and as i said ''im not saying it wasnt'' i never claimed it wasnt careless ness but its just dumb to assume carelessness per default when something goes south
@@raver377 see the stuff I see on a daily basis in the freight business and that's the ONLY thing it is. 99.9% of your average dock workers couldn't give half a hoot what happens to your stuff.
I'm an old guy. Back in my day Ford was all we had, so we just walked everywhere.......
Robert Bizzarro no bro. Just stop. The organization joke was Chevy, so just stop
Regardless what brand--- ROFL!
HAHAHAAAAAAA SO TRUE
LOLOLOLOL!
If you're being chased by a ford, don't worry, it will brake down eventually
I sure admire your professional composure and wish you well is getting replacement machines.
As a machinist it is deeply depressing seeing 2 beautiful machines like that be handled carelessly. So sorry for you. Hopefully the replacement process is easy for you
3 beautiful machines, don't forget the poor grinder.
The grinder just has cosmetic damage the lathe and mill have damage that will actually affect functionality
machinist here too. Reallt sad to see how some people dont care about other peoples stuff... Im both sad and really really angry :(
@@joshuahuman1 It doesn't matter its "only" cosmetic, it still got handled poorly by some idiots, who didn't care a damn about other people's property! I hate freight companies and their incompetent employees - there's too many reckless SOB in that business!
Not a machinist here, just someone who takes care of my own tools... except the bench grinder that fell out of the back of a moving van and broke the right wheel... accidents happen. But, to me at least, this looks like the person responsible was careless and rushing, instead of taking a few extra steps, thought he was smarter than the laws of physics and now 2 great machines are damaged. Work will
Be delayed, someone else will have to pay to fix these errors and time & money is wasted due to (the word of the day) carelessness.
Dude, that sucks. I'm sorry that you seem to be under a black cloud. It was good to see you showcase exercise as a stress reliever, hands down one of the best ways to reduce stress. Things will get better. Hope you get some good news soon.
I think the curse started by buying a Ford. Fix Or Repair Daily
Hey buddy, that's too bad about the shop equipment but it's good to hear they are making it right. You're making good progress, I can't wait to see what you make with new equipment, a new location and new inspiration.
Side question; Have you been to any of the national parks in MT yet? Yellowstone or Glacier are pretty close and a good way to spend a day and get to know the area. Could give you some great material to work with and inspiration as well - The winter months will be cold but as a bonus will have fewer people to catch on video. 11/10 would vacation in Yellowstone again.
That lathe damage can make a grown man shed a tear. Hope you get recompense, even though the machine itself is essentially irreplaceable
There are a lot of people in the comments saying the same things - about how outrageously angry they would be. The thing is, I know Alec is extremely angry... But he's doing the same thing I would do - showing a calm outward demeanor. I believe this is what is meant behind 'a stiff upper lip'. ;) But seriously, this is how you end up getting your way most easily, be the reasonable party. Especially when everyone expects you to not be - keep your cool, stay professional, and demand satisfaction immediately and quickly. In the end, you will get what you want - in this case the insurance should simply make good on the equipment, and new equipment should arrive undamaged with no cost out of pocket. The biggest question is how long will this take...
**edited because incompetence **
Actually this is absolutely correct. Naming and shaming what might be the wrong company at fault does nobody any good and gets rid of any sympathy from those who might otherwise help to remedy the situation. Respect for Alec and Will, thank you for pointing it out Eric K.
No use crying over spilt milk. If you're building something you gotta keep pressing on.
Eric, you hit the nail on the head.
You are exactly correct! Accidents happen, sometimes by negligence, sometimes tie downs, bolts, whatever fail. If found that being calm and polite in these situations usually nets bigger and faster gains!
They're being professional adults and not adolescents that can't control themselves.
Where i work, we ship expensive, top heavy and, most importantly, fragile equipment of all kinds. It's one of the worst feelings when you drop something. I've been lucky for a while, haven't broken enything in a few years.
Sucks about the lathe my friend. Seeing that beautiful piece of history so badly damaged just breaks my heart.
I work for a trucking company and I can tell you, we're at the top of the game when it comes to this stuff even though we're a small (32 trucks) outfit. I couldn't tell you the last time we had a damaged shipment that wasn't caused by the shipper. We pride ourselves in having the best drivers and equipment.
It's truly incredible how mature you have been about this whole endeavor. It's easy to forget how young you are when you display such professionalism and calmness in such a terrible situation.
That's why your powerhammer was in a steel caged frame!
Don’t forget to be sickeningly kind while dealing with this. Angry customers don’t have their grievances fixed as quickly as overly patient ones that keep good notes.
im not sure Alec is capable of negative emotions at anyone except himself honestly.
Been a bad day. 3 Machines damaged by careless shipping. Glad to hear they will be replaced. That should teach the freight company something. Good luck Alec
While new at work, they where moving some of the large CNC machines around. They had to take the celling off the place and use these 28 wheel trucks with cranes attached. One of the lads who worked there didn't check one of the cables, and while we where all there watching it snapped and not only dropped the machine breaking it to the point of having to be rebuilt, but sent the hook and cable through a steel door.
I have never seen a man as angry in my life as the boss was. Surprisingly the guy wasn't fired cus the boss is sound, said cus he worked there so long and all after calming down .
Somewhere there is a security guard laughing as he watches camera footage of an idiot warehouse worker tipping over your crate, then going back and doing it again.
jay west It’ll probably end up on UA-cam as part of an “idiot workers” compilation.
☹️😢 sorry Alec. Hope tomorrow is a better day and you get back into the GRIND of things 👍
Are you guys expecting? Cause obviously someone has dad jokes.
I did tool making in college many years ago (ehem ehem). I loved it, except we were never tutored in carbide lathe bits, so couldn't keep my job sadly, the boss was expecting me to know that these bits could cut 5mm at a time, spitting red hot chips everywhere. But the love of metalwork still lives in me, even though I haven't done any for sooooo long.
Seeing this lathe in such a poor health makes me want to get the bandages out and start the healing process. Such a beautiful machine too. So sad
Wow, what a way to start your adventure. Hopefully it all gets taken care of and you are able to get back to work.
That belt grinders damage is a bit more severe than is played off. Those fins are meant to dissipate heat, effecting the longevity of the motor. It's also one of the most expensive components.
It's a real shame all these machines being in such sad shapes.
This needs more upvotes.
Although he can contact the seller and have a new motor shipped unlike the lath and mill with we’re totally destroyed
Yeah you're right, they are heat sinks but in reality it isnt going to affect the life of that motor in any measurable way. If they motor was running at full load, near maximum capacity at a low speed then yes, its going to do damage but that motor is carrying little load for its size and will spend its life running fast, the small inefficiency of a few broken fins won't make a difference. But... even after all that, there is no way i would just let that slide, i would claim for a new motor but just leave it on the shelf as a spare
Skeptic spot on.
@@dalepr69 Agreed, partially. Thermal breakdown is measurable. Perhaps negligible in this application but who knows for sure. I just feel that in light of damaged equipment it too should be addressed. In no way should people just eat damages they didn't cause.
Responsible parties should always be held accountable for bad practices.
You need to forge a giant pair of scissors and then cut a big ribbon when you open up. That'd be cool
Fantastic idea
Damascus Scissors yeah!
do it alec
I'd love to see this
@@DMalek - 1 MILLION LAYER!!!
So sorry to hear about your new old machines Alec from what I seen you took it really well. I would have been furious. Hope you get them replaced soon. Can't wait to see your next forging project
Alec as a lift driver that moves machinery, that lathe didn’t tip over. That was dumped from height. That pallet was most likely on the forks piss poor and wobbled and dropped. The mill was loaded incorrectly as well. In my 10 years experience moving machinery, bolts don’t sheer from pallets unless 1 of 3 things happen. 1. Piss poor pallets. 2. The truck gets into a wreck. Those pallets looked good, and they would have told you about the truck getting into a wreck, so that leaves only 1 other thing.... the lift driver(s) screwing the pooch and either dropping the pallet, OR loading it incorrectly(ie not level on a solid base).
As someone who just moved across the country with a bunch of equipment, seeing the negligence of the shipping company turned my stomach. Lot of respect for you sharing and dealing with these headaches. Can't wait to see you up and running again.
I guess you could say that guy was a...numpty
Shipping companies need go start being held responsible. Every day I hear more and more about ppl not getting packages,broken, weeks and weeks late. It's getting more and more common. You shouldnt have to have crazy insurance and sue shipping companies bc they absolutely destroyed a package for a customer
Hey Alec, I’m 3 hours away and have a Bridgeport about that size that I’ll give you a smoking deal on.
What model?
@@kaptein1247 anders wil jij 'm wel hebben? Haha
@@iansoede874 nee, maar duitse!
@@iansoede874 kijk eens aan! meer nederlanders hier. Cool beans
@@iansoede874 Tuurlijk zijn er Nederlanders hier.
On the (hopefully) brighter side. The truck fixed should be easy (trans oil + filter change plus dropping the control frame and cleaning it replacing that) - the cluster should be either fuses or bad connections.....I hope. My used 2009 was in good shape once I changed all the lifetime fluids.
If your trans stopped shifting, you should consider having the front and rear differential fluids changed as well as the transfer case fluid.
You might ask them to bring the computers up to the most current level / version (while still under warranty...otherwise it's as much as $300 dollars depending on dealer)
so sorry about your machines, such beautiful restorations, really makes ya cry. I live in Australia and they almost always do drop-n-run delivery regardless of what they're meant to do making this sort of crap even harder to deal with.
Iv done my fair share of shipping freight and this truly annoys me. To be fair they did hang the katana backwards and that's bad luck so maby it's not all the shipping companies 😂 ( for those that are curious you hang a katana blade up and handle to left in times of peace and to the right in times of war, hanging it to the right in times of peace is inciting war and supposedly the katana will bring bad luck in hopes of going to war if hung handle to the right in peace time)
burntbeef 1 my god...
I think Alec needs to read this... I’m not a superstitious person, but to have everything going so smooth until he hung the swords up last video....
@@armourdyldo I'm not very superstitious either but it is a bit of an odd coincidence
I’m not big on superstition but I think he definitely needs to flip it around just because who knows maybe the luck will change
I've always believed that it's bad luck to be superstitious. ;-)
_Before video:_ "Well, it says bad in the title, but how bad can it really be, right?"
_After video:_ *OH...*
To be fair, it says bad twice.
I know right... fml i dont think i would even feel half as crushed if i lost a home or car... those machines are works of art themselves. This is borderline criminal...
That's a serious bummer. When we moved our shop I had to do all the heavy presses and such by myself and it was definitely a learning experience.
you know, since you love older things that have been lovingly rebuilt, maybe you should get a late 70s truck thats been restored, with an all mechanical diesel, like an old chevy 3500 with a Detroit diesel, and then you'll have a manual transmission again
A fully restored 10EE....I've never been so heartbroken from a youtube video.
Agreed. I'm curious what that machine cost him, especially with all the work done to it.
Ugh. Freight companies are the WORST! Sorry for the hellish day, man. I had to order a hood for an F150 King Ranch once upon a time after a hail storm. They’re about $4500. It took 7 hoods before one got through shipping without being dented or destroyed...
Alec, I hope the shipping company makes it right. I don't know it if can be fixed at all, but if not, they really should buy you some top of the line replacements. I doubt those precision machines could ever work right again after what they've suffered. It amazes me how careless people can be. Apparently, somebody hid the fact that the Mill was dropped on its side too, although that could've happened anywhere along the trip. Total shame though, no matter what they may do to correct the situation. Good luck. Sorry you've had such a rough start, you seem like a decent kid. I've enjoyed watching you create, so welcome to the U.S., I'm glad you've brought your talent here.
Great choice in grinder!!!! Its the sames as mine and brilliant! The Shop Master is a great grinder also, but the Gibson 72 hauls!
That sucks. That lathe and Bridgeport are so beautiful and they went and ruined them...
Matt 68 where there’s blame there’s a claim!! $$$$$$$$
I've worked with lowes for over 6 years now and as a lift driver I would never have treated a load like that.
I remember a few years ago a woman I worked with was loading a pallet of tile into a customers truck and ran the forks right into the bed floor. The truck was brand new still under 100 miles.
Wow. That's horrible. I would have made sure that got turned into a new truck for sure.
@@OGSnoberry as far as I know they made it right with the customer but they didn't even take the license away from the woman that did the damage. She just got a slap on the wrist and went back to work.
Hats off to you for being so patient and calm about the destruction of your machines. I would have been on the phone or in store making peoples ears bleed until the problem was resolved. Well done to you both for being so positive.
So this is what the result of industrial machine bowling looks like.
Hope you are getting replacements that are just as beautiful.
The belt sander should have been crated. Shrink wrap was a mistake. Very smart move to refuse delivery on these items. The skids should have been built from oak or some hardwood. Bolt and DO NOT used lag screws !!! They used spruce from Lowes/Homedepot. The shipper has some room to blame here too in my opinion. The skids were way to light duty.
Maybe they should have more crating and protection, but they really shouldn't need it if the shipping company does their job right. Whenever I've bought big equipment, one bandsaw came with about 2 sheets of plywood and several 2x4's all around securing the whole thing in several places. I bought a big planer, and it was just screwed to a single pallet, not even wrapped, and it survived fine too. It's just some bad luck for Alec today.
Once you get to a certain weight there needs to be steel framing and mounts for that type of item. Serious ineptitude on the whole process. I don’t ship things like that anymore but when I did I overbuilt the container/pallet and still never felt 100% confident it would make it because there are a LOT of grubby lazy careless hands it’s going to pass through before it reaches its destination. Bad form. I sympathize for you so much young Alec. You don’t deserve to get that sort of news about such precious machinery. I really really hope this whole thing gets made right and that soon.
The pallet wasn't what caused damage to both machines. The missing part was on the end not the side, it is impossible for it to tip over because that 4x4 was missing. It would teeter totter not fall over. If the 4x4's were running the length and one was knocked off then it would tip over. Then tipping over wouldn't cause that much damage. Now being on a trailer that had all the weight to one side will cause the trailer to tip over and the damage would be significant like seen with the lathe if it hit the ground while the mill may have had something between it and the ground and just that one part contacted the ground. As for the pallets, pine or spruce is fine for single use shipping, you want hardwood if it will be used over and over again which obviously these were not considering they are not standard dimensions.
@@JETWTF Not necessarily. If the heavy end was where the board was missing then hard braking in a turn could cause it to tip. All warehouses keep hammer and nails handy for busted boards the lift operator simply didn't get his/her lazy ass out of the seat and fix what they had damaged. Fact of the matter is all the operator had to do is raise the forks and use bottom of the mast to push the pallet in but most never think to do that.
@@tonyrmathis , the company that sold these machines skimped and the skids. Period. The 10EE is a very pricey tool-room lathe and to place it and a light duty skid was a mistake. I have been shipping and building heavy skids/pallets for 30 years. Going cheap can be very costly. The freight company and consignee are going to have a "he said , he said" on this job. There were lags used where bolts should have been used, plain nails versus rings shank. OSB was used thanks for cost. The Bridgeport should have been BOLTED, lags were used. These young guys are bad mouthing the forklift drivers and have little if any time behind the wheel of a forklift.
The damage on the grinder motor housing was forklift damage. Who ever was loading and unloading was not using short bite long bite method. That is where you get the forks in just far enough to be able to lift the pallet enough to drag it away from the wall or other pallets just far enough that you can then go all the way thru without hitting something behind it.
There has apparently been an increase in damaged shipments all over recently. My son an I had lunch today. They manufacture a large product that ships by freight to customers. In the last few months there have been more returns due to damages freight than in all the prior years he has worked there. The shipper told them that due to the recent increase in shipments (a growing economy) they have had trouble finding well trained people to truck and handle shipments resulting in more damage claims. Just an FYI.
i feel your pain brother, Ive had a 1930s oliver pedal mounted die filer show up in pieces, a 6x12 boyer schultz show up in pieces, and a keller power hack saw show up in pieces, all from what I can only imagine to be drunken forkloaders. three different shipping companies, three different occasions, in the last 5 years. Turns a day that feels like Christmas into sinking disappointment, its especially hard when its beautiful older equipment that was lovingly restored or maintained....
Restored 10EE = THE most desirable small lathe ever made.
Makes you wonder how they managed to not only drop it; but also ENTIRELY destroy it. 😢 Such a sad day
the initial shots when you first got to the lathe almost made me cry. Tough luck on those machines. Keep your chin up, it will get better
my mouth was hanging open. what a catastrophe :(
so sorry about the lathe . I have been working in the freight business as a forklift operator for almost 18 years now and the problem is not that people dont care . its that some people dont have the experience to handle the shipments . nor have no idea of the value or how fragile the shipments are that they move daily.
I've never worked freight, but for one summer job I worked at a brick yard where I operated a forklift...
Although its sad, you should cut the guys some slack. The packages on trucks, especially ones like these, can have very surprising weight distribution. You think you've got it safely held, but you don't because the weight is way off to one side. Things shift in transit, making it difficult to get a safe hold on the crate due to the orientation, or due to other packages pressing on it. There is a time crunch too, the truck drivers and yard managers need you to load and unload as quickly as possible... plus these guys probably have fairly minimal training and experience.
That said, they probably should have alerted their managers when it happened, it shouldn't have been a surprise at the very end of the line.
I'm mostly only familiar with bricks, but I imagine its probably pretty similar working freight too.
About 45 years ago, I ran those same machines in a machine shop while I was getting my BSME. The Monarch was a TANK and it looks like it was dropped off the loading dock to do that much damage. So sorry for the trouble you had but glad to hear the company is standing behind their equipment.
That was my thought too.
It fell off the dock. Looks like it rolled over 360. No 90degrees
That's what I was thinking, this was more than just falling over in the truck. And how much does a Bridgeport weight? No way it bounces around that much in a air ride trailer.
Yep! That is what I was thinking.
I would guess a trailer tipped over due to improperly loading it. Seen that happen multiple times. If it was just the mill I would guess falling off a dock but both machines? Highly unlikely. Put all the weight on one side of a trailer and you wont get it out of the yard without laying it down on it's side.
@@rickylynn1020 Manual says a Bridgie weighs in at 1988 pounds
New meaning to words... fell off the back of a truck. 😜🤣😂
I am so sorry and I hope everything gets worked out for you guys.
So sorry your beautiful machines were damaged and good on you for not accepting them! Looking forward to seeing their replacements! Chin up and carry on - so much to be thankful for 👍🏼
Being a machinist and hearing your lathe and Mill got damaged I cried a little best of luck with the rest of your stuff👍
ALEC STEELE: DO NOT ACCEPT THE LATHE PART OF THE SHIPMENT! Immediately refuse the shipment and make the shipper send it back at their cost. If you accept it in that state, even to get an RMA number, you're letting the shipping company off the hook. If you refuse to accept the shipment, the shipping company then has to return it back to the shipper at the shipping company's expense.
EDIT: Also take pictures and let the shipper know why you refused shipment. This will protect you if the shipping company does something scummy like dumping the shipment on your doorstep and claimed it's delivered.
I think the video counts, and they said they did exactly as you said
did you not watch the video? he refused both the lathe and the mill.
Do you even watch the video
No need to take pictures. Just send them this video.
Hi Alec just to let you know the Bridgeport head should be swung through 180 degrees and the table should be wound down on the knee to the lowest position then place a wooden board on the table and wind the knee up until the table supports the motor the cross slide is usually wound in fully adjusted the head slide to position this is the way Bridgeport J heads are delivered
Sorry for the bad luck Alec. I hope you have better luck soon. You have a great outlook on things and are so upbeat. I would be quite irate about the tuck. It sounds like you might have a truck that was in flood run away from that thing if you can. There are many vehicles bring resold that were in the flooding during last year's hurricanes in tx and fl.
It's time for the freight company to see just how good their liability insurance is.
And we still have to see what happens to the crate from the UK.
to be fair i thought this was the crate from the UK, the lady on the phone said "all the tools are dumped out" or something. either way it's a terrible way to start your day
The base on that lathe is aluminium, the lathe I am rebuilding at the moment is the same (smashed and welded clutch leaver, smashed Handel, and the cross slide has been smashed and re welded too and I have a bent cross slide screw too), so at some point that has been, turned over onto its front too, according to col spares this is what most of the parts they sell are to replace.
That is heartbreaking! :( Best of luck getting the replacements in a timely fashion.
as a machinist who uses equipment that is that old and older, im pissed that they did that to such a wonderful bit of history.
That lathe wasn't tipped over. It was dropped from a forklift. Probably fell on the mill and knocked it over.
Alec! So sorry about these sad events! I hope things resolve themselves to your satisfaction! So terrible to see bad things happen to such a positive person! Best wishes!
In Germany you have to get a special license to operate a forklift. The tests you have to go through to get that are pretty hard. And even when you have that experience and do nothing else but operate forklifts all day, sometimes accidents still happen. A friend of mine works with forklifts. If anything happens he has to inform his superior ASAP and that person then calls the companies insurance. If something was damaged that doesn't belong to the company they also call the owner and tell them that their insurance is gonna handle it.
Just found this channel through a link someone posted to show how bad shipping can go. I was thinking, "why does this guy need so many heavy machines?", then I read the description. Forging all kinds of medieval weaponry sounds like a fun thing to do, especially if you have the right tools to do it. Another one of my friends got the blacksmith qualification just to be able to this stuff as well. He had a cool boss that let him use the shop for his personal projects after closing, as long as he cleaned up after himself. Don't know if he still works at that place, haven't seen him in years.
Anyway, good luck with your new workshop and this channel. I hope there won't be any more roadblocks for you.
ALL truck manufacturers make lemons, and make gold. Ignore the brand wars. I am so so sorry that the shipping company ruined the mill and lathe. I hope you can find replacements quickly for the shop. Welcome to America!
They don't make em like they used to.
Alex take a look at EngelsCoachShop in Montana. He is Montana, has a UA-cam Channel and is an extraordinaire craftsman. He is a wagon maker. Worth a look. The damage to that Monarch and Bridgeport was sickening. You held your cool better than most.
Alec* you mean
An easy mix up
Engelscoachshop is almost as good to watch as this Channel! Very old custom tools but both of you are very precise and put a lot of time and effort into your builds! His series on the borax wagons is amazing. Such heavy well built machines! Both of your shops are on my tours list when ever I can make it to Montana. Keep up the great work and projects. Just remember somebody built it. It can almost always be repaired...
I had tears seeing the damage. I'm can empathize. Hopefully good things come your way man.
Alec, next time you need to ship something, use TransPak for your crate build, and coordinate shipping through S&C. We routinely ship extremely high value items using these services for work, and have never received a damaged shipment. Avoid a truck line here called YRC. Saia is your best bet state side. Sorry about the luck on the Monarch, she was a beauty.
Whoever tipped those better be fired. Wish i could lend you a hand and help you get moved in and set up, sadly im on the other side of the country. Hope things go smoother.
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There's a link below to a truck you may like.
Also, id reccomend a dodge.
*Ram
This time a year it's probably a temp who's already not going to show up to work in a week anyway.
Chevy! (cough, cough) In all honesty Fords of that year range really live up the Found On Road Dead title. personally i wouldn't want any f150 made between 1997 to 2015
@@Scottew2 When it comes to trucks, I'd never buy new. I'd get one with a little experience under it's belt. Then you use it until there is nothing left but a steaming pile of molten metal.
No_You_Can't 97-03 f150s with the 2v 4.6/5.4 are some of the best trucks.
That dealership heard your accent and probably thought they could get away with screwing you over. I wouldn’t go back to them again if you need another truck.
You have a great attitude, and are a classy individual. Well done. Great videos. Keep up the good work.
Wow, really feel for you guys. So sad that those old machines got destroyed. Hope you get a full refund and find good replacements. Keep on with the good work guys. Love you videoes. Inspiring me to start smithing myself. Been saving up money for a blacksmith/knifesmith course in early 2019, and gonna give it my all to become a great knifemaker like you guys are. Thanks for all the awesome vids. You guys rock! Greetings from Norway 🇳🇴
I'm so sad for you Alec, but I'm heart broken for the company that sunk so much time and care into these machines. They built them back up and were happy to share their hard work with you, only to have it dashed by a third party.
LEMON LAWS. look into it Alec. Don't take that from a dealer trying to sell you a crappy vehicle
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It was not a new truck.
Cant really claim lemon law if the vehicle is that old. Its not a brand new truck, its like a 2010. That truck was used and abused and then sold by a shady dealer.
If your gonna buy used 2-3 years old max
yeah not even having it a month, no way he should have to pay for anything wrong with it
completely heartbroken about the lathe and Bridgeport....I couldn’t operate either one if I tried, but I truly appreciate gorgeous vintage machinery that were handcrafted by artisans and lovingly restored by the same.
Yeah, so I've been watching through your moving series and your new workshop series up until this episode and thoroughly enjoyed all of it. But you know, the way that you two gentlemen handled this particular turn of events was extremely impressive and truly an example worthy of respect. Something (especially) for young people like myself to take inspiration from. I was considering whether or not I should subscribe, as I already find it kind of hard to keep track of my other subscriptions, but after this episode I'm sold. Completely. Congratulations on earning yourselves a new subscriber, both on YT and Instagram. Oh, and I'm really happy to see that the matter was handled so well by the company that sold you the equipment .
Greetings from Norway =)
Unbelievable, I work in shipping. I can't believe how careless they were. Disgraceful...!
I also work in shipping. And It is not a surprise in the slightest. Carelessness is the name of the game when it's about the numbers
I also work in shipping and I bet y’all have heard this line.... now I not telling you to do anything unsafe but do what ya got to do to get the job done.
@@JohnSmith-lp7px I'm a driver and they tell us basically the same thing.
@@zacharyhutcheson7489 Exactly! I have lost a couple of jobs because I refused to do stupid things to get the times they demanded. Rather look for work than drop things.
@ Steven I use to be Otr now I’m a yard dog for Knight Transportation at a chemical plant
First? That casing on the motor is a heat sink that it does really need. I hope the shipping company will provide you with a repair and replacement of that casing.
Heck yes I am
First view, comment and like! Boom!
I watched the video after this first, and wow, they actually bolted this machine down! wild how it keeps it from being as damaged in transit.
to be honest this happens to often, im very happy i got norwegian shipping company that NEVER delivers a package damage, and where i buy stuff from ANY damage to the product i get a replacement and most of the time i get to keep the product. i hope everything goes well with the machines and greetings from norway come visit our beautiful country sometime! :)
Time to put the claymore to use.
Agree - off with thier heads.
🤣 you made me laugh real good!
From what little I've seen they weren't paletted well at all. No center balance markings especially if fully enclosed and no frames built around the bases. Those are minimum requirements. Still very very unfortunate more care wasn't taken.
In the mill case, it doesn't even matter - you tip a mill on the side, it's all over. Even if it has no visible damage.
@@leus Why is this? Does it have parts inside that move around easily?
Agreed on the packaging. The top of the mill wasn’t even blocked to the table, a bump on the road would cause the frame to bend or cracks to form. Sloppy all around
@@Krytern It's incredibly heavy, and needs to be incredibly precise. The sheer massiveness keeps vibrations down and generally smooths the movement, but if it falls, something is moving that really shouldn't, and that's really bad.
Completely agree... Anything on the machine that can move like the handles should have a stop (even a freaking zip tie!). Anything that could bend or tip needs to be braced. I saw nothing like that in the mill crate. The lathe didn't even look like it had a crate! Unless it wasn't shown. I'm not any sort of expert with crates but those didn't look overbuilt at all... they looked pretty minimalist to me. Even if that mill was bolted down... You have a 1300+ Kg machine bolted down with lagg bolts on a 1" board are you kidding me? Where is the bracing? I guess those two 2X4s at the bottom of the crate at 9:34. This isn't excusing the gross negligence of freight companies...maybe that is why I'm so used to working with crates you have to take a freaking day to disassemble to get your damn machine out...
ALEC that hurts my heart to see that happen to those machines because I ran a Bridgeport and monarch and LeBlanc lathes for 40 years and I watched when you rebuilt your Bridgeport mill and brought back some headaches but at the same time a lot of pride when done. I honestly hope y'alls luck turns for the better and I have a Kennedy fool around full of machinist tools for sale if your interested. Jacob Bissel Slidell LA.
More than a year later, but the same thing happened to me. My vise fell to the floor. And broke several pieces. I had no intention of making a video about transportation, but with what happened, I made the video and published it. I did everything very carefully, so maybe for that I didn't get hurt., well only in my hand.
Cheers Alec