I Debunked the Entire Manosphere
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Well this time I decided to investigate the Manosphere. The cult mentality of Red Pill think, how they monetise it, the narrative they are selling to their followers, and how this can result in some young men being funnelled into the alt-right pipeline.
I looked into influencers like Fresh and Fit, Kevin Samuels, Rich Cooper, Anthony Dream Johnson of the 21 Convention, Donovan Sharpe, Roosh V, Owen Cook and Julien Blanc to weave together how they are selling the ‘alpha male’ dream to their followers - some of whom will end up classing themselves as incels, after realising that the ‘foolproof’ pickup artist game techniques don’t work for them.
And they’re all having their misogynistic ideas backed up by the one and only Jordan B Peterson, of course.
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0:00 Intro
3:51 RedPill UA-cam Channels & Podcasts
24:39 Spelling Out Red Pill Theory
28:17 Debunking 'Hypergamy'
33:44 Debunking 'Monkey-Branching'
37:42 Debunking the Dating Apps 'Evidence' for Hypergamy
48:29 *CW* Debunking 'R Culture is a Myth'
54:37 *CW* Debunking the 'False R Accusation Epidemic'
1:00:02 Debunking 'Single Mothers Raise Criminals'
1:02:35 Debunking 'The Wage Gap is a Myth'
1:07:00 Debunking 'Women are Unhappy bc of Feminism'
1:11:16 Bad Female/Male Anatomy
1:15:06 The Alt-Right Pipeline *CW Racism/Sexism*
1:22:15 The Manosphere's 'Edgy' Humour *CW R/SA*
1:26:53 PUAs *CW R/SA*
1:30:50 *CW* The Manosphere & Violence against Women
1:35:28 Extremism *CW Racism/R/SA/DV*
1:39:17 Misogyny not being taken seriously
1:40:53 The Manosphere's "Experts"
1:43:22 MRAs
1:44:53 The Solution?
1:46:46 Song & Outro
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When men blamed single mothers for getting pregnant, we listened! When men blamed us for being in an abusive situation and told us to 'pick better men', we listened! Now women are leaving these men alone! Now they complain that they are lonely and that women are not having children anymore. The disconnect is real!
I want to save this comment somehow lol this is it all right here!!
Moving the goalpost at its finest
If you're a woman and single, you're either worthless if you have kids, or if you don't have them you're just a crazy cat lady. You have no worth without a man according to them.
@@Valenz91650 Sir/ma'am, I've never been married and since I'm already 33 and have hit 'the wall' according to these 'men' I'll remain a cat lady until I die! Idk what kind of marriages you've seen but I was raised as a very conservative Christian woman from a third world country. I can do it all for any man with a baby on my hip. I know because I did this as a child and teen helping my mom with my sisters while my stepdad lived in the home and only worked (so did my mom btw). ALL THAT to say men have been molesting their children, cheating on their wives and having sexual side quests because they created a society where women had no other option but to put up with it or die penniless or worse risk the social shame of being a single mom. Just because the marriage doesn't fall apart doesn't mean shit isn't happening behind closed doors. Our grandmothers stayed through it all, some of our mothers got divorced and still had to chase down the man for child support. My generation is not even bothering with all the things we've seen. Men are filled with lust for women and zero respect.
@@Valenz91650 thats a whole lot of backpedalling! ' In the end though what was done in the past to women and what many men feel is going on now, the only choice is to go along with it or leave' That's a real head scratcher. Add some grammar in there so it can make sense.
Someone should tell the guy mad about gynecologists that pretty much every part of the human body has an entire type of doctor dedicated to it's care.
And that there's a TON of medical problems relating to female reproductive organs that medical science still barely cares about.
To be honest, I forgot Urologists exist for a second too lol. Though men don't go to them for checkups nearly as often as they should, the only time I ever went to see one was about 10 years ago, and that was because I had a small growth that I found. (It was not malignant, and the surgery to remove was a success. I asked the doc to add a few inches but he declined.)
Not always doctors but medical people such as opticians, dentists and physiotherapists who aren't doctors as they don't take a degree in medicine and specialise later but take degrees in dentisty, opthalmology or physiotherapy specialising from the start.
There's a difference though. Each part of the body requires immense understanding past the surface. But in a few hours you can learn a lot about most subjects let alone if you've studied how they intertwine for 20-30 years. The funny thing about this is when you study topics that intersect, you get greater understanding of the original topic and vice versa. This is why phycology is a joke without a base layer understanding of behavioral biology. Behaviors > thoughts.
The guy just needs to see a proctologist as his primary care provider.
Ok can i say 1 in 52 ppl being sexually assaulted is still bad, right?? Like some schools have thousands of students that is a lot of assault survivors
this video is trash, brent turvey foresic scientist research shows 30% iof allegations are false, debunks this whole video, motives range from caught cheating dont want to be lablleed the you know what bad name, to money, fame , power revenge etc
lol she says very grandoisily theres never been eveidence for fasles accusations, proceeds to show evidence such as cheating use false accusation as scapegoat when caught etc..
1 in 52 is absolutely still bad! My smallish state university had 11,000 enrolled students every year.
@@corysmith3447 what
@@corysmith3447 She merely made the (correct) argument that the performative fear of ‘being accused’ by women has no basis in reality.
Whats more, it creates an ‘us vs them’ paradigm. We can all agree that both men and women have been SA’d, falsely accused of SA and physical violence. People are just terrible overall. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be empathetic for the victims.
That being said, women are currently the victim of domestic and sexual abuse more often than men are the victim of false allegations.
I have been on the receiving end of ‘false physical abuse’ allegations.
And while it wasn’t a great experience, the charges were dropped instantly when there was zero evidence.
My experience wasn’t fun, but significantly better than women suffering through abuse and fearing the consequences of coming forward.
The cognitive dissonance required for these people to be like "ALL WOMEN..." but also "NOT ALL MEN" is truly astounding!!
They frighten you 😂
same with women accusing men of stuff
It's more like: "So many women."
Honestly the thing that really frustrates me is seemingly a third of women want men to behave the new way, and a third of women want men to behave the old way, and a third of women switch back and forth depending on what's convenient for them at a given moment.
They don't wear signs that tell you which one they are, and if you pick the wrong one for even a heartbeat it can destroy the relationship or even ruin your life.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Have you tried asking the particular woman you're talking what she's looking for?
@@Vladimirwlr1234 How about they just leave me alone.
That "sexual market value" graph is absolutely wild to me, bro genuinely thinks a 15 year old girl is more "sexually valuable" than a 30 year old woman, he should be locked up.
😂 as a matter of fact she is. That's a product of feminist agenda though
@@antonioyeats2149 🤨
It was only a few generations ago that a woman marrying at 15 was commonplace. No one considered it to be anything but normal. It still happens in many parts of the world.
Making a 60 + year "life long" commitment at 15 is just ridiculous af and modern day people know better and so they so better.
15 isn't even considered old enough to drive now, but yeah have children while still a child.
Sounds like a great plan for everyone involved
@Kyla Armstrong-Benjamin - I don't understand how you conclude it's "ridiculous af." Divorce rates were very low for those people. What these successful marriages tell you is that arranged marriage works, female virginity has value in terms of bonding, and the grandparents' participation in the marriage has its own value. Contrast to marriages today: most women don't marry until around 30. Most marriages fail. Most women are promiscuous for the first 10 years of their adult lives. Women base compatibility on arousal. They call it "vibes." Pregnancies at 30+ are fraught with problems. Children raised by single mothers are far more inclined to use drugs, experience severe depression and complex trauma, and enter prison.
You may want to reconsider your conclusion based on the facts.
I completely lost it at "its not an emotional reaction, it''s a fact reaction". at first I thought this was you making a satirical joke, then he actually SAID it, UNIRONICALLY
it's a reFACTion
If you just define “emotion” as “what women do” and “fact” as “what men do” then yeah I guess men are factual and not emotional
@@DavidW-ng5zv yeah! Better to bottle them up and unleash them on our loved ones!
@@DavidW-ng5zv Any man who feels anything at all is weak to you. I feel sorry for you honestly, the inside of your brain must be a mess. You probably aren't very nice to yourself.
@Midnight Of coarse men have emotion. But one should not based all their views or decisions on emotions as important as they are the 5 senses and critical thinking are more important.
Well, fellas. If you're ever feeling down on yourself, lacking in confidence, or even feeling hopelessness, just remember one thing: at least you're not these guys.
Great, that will really help me in my lifetime of loneliness in a miserable collapsing society where women get a leg up and I get nothing.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatyou won't have a lifetime of loneliness. You need to find hobbies and interests and socialise, you will meet someone that way. What do you like doing? Even gaming, girls game, or you can go to physical board games places! Don't make your happiness revolve around meeting someone, find things you love and go OUT and do them.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatalso trust me if you were a woman you would want to be a man. Women have to give birth, have periods, work AND do 90% of raising a child and cleaning the home. We also have a shelf life in terms of attractiveness when men do not. Oh and we DO get Rd, it's just not how you think. I was Rd by a colleague who plied me with alcohol when I was 23 and when I passed out Rd me. I left my job as I blamed myself at the time.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatugh it didn't post my original comment. I was saying, you won't be lonely forever. My biggest tip is broaden your hobbies and find out what you love and go OUT and do it. DATING APPS ARE BAD NEWS. If you go out and meet people who do what you love you will have stuff in common, develop good social skills and be appealing because a person who is comfortable and has built a life they like they are appealing. People want to be part of someone's world that way.
I took up indoor climbing and I love it! I met my partner through friends! This is the best way. Please don't think all women are horrible, the loud ones who have horrible opinions get ENGAGEMENT online and so you see them.
Some women _may_ cheat. Some women _may_ care only about a mans resources. But that doesnt mean all women will do that. Similarly, some men may cheat, some men may only care about a womans obedience.
Its almost as if you can't put half (slightly more than half even) of humanity into a few boxes
man, its stupid. Also, the roastie girls are epic
Most will
Most women do even if they can't pull it off
Not all men, but more than enough.
Here's a perhaps interesting observation from someone who has explored the cultural developments of the 20th century quite a bit: In the supposedly more monogamous period of the 50s and earlier that these guys mythologise, cheating was actually MORE common, and MORE acceptable. Like, songs and films and whatnot outright glamorising cheating were all over the place. This was precisely because women were financially reliant on their husbands, so if those husbands cheated on them, they just had to take it. They didn't have the option of walking out -- unless they had themselves been cheating, which they may have done simply so they'd have a plan B in case their spouse left them for another woman.
It's only when women began entering the workforce and gained financial independence that they could demand fidelity, and the social acceptance of cheating began to quickly diminish. There was a really sharp change in how cheating was portrayed in popular culture in the 70s, which very neatly correlated with women's lib.
simple fact is, men are destroyed in divorce courts, men have zero say on abortion although it "takes 2 to tango" when it comes to the responsibility of bringing up a child, the list goes on and on and on. Hypergamy is a difficult one but still lot of truth in it. but you cannot tell me a lot of social media is not promoting hypergamy type realities because it is just a fact. Women do indeed throw themselves at celebs etc and celeb women do not sit there picking their fans to mate with.. they do often pick someone their level or above. Women pickiness is not based on fear in general either, I have never seen such strong discrimination based on things beyond ones control such as height for example.. even weight now is being brought into it. You only need to see the modelling industry to prove this societal norm also. all in all this is one large fail of debunking.. some are good points but in the large she just hates anything she believes is right wing as clearly she demonstrates.
"Rape doesn't happen cuz everyone knows rape is BAD", I have never laughed so hard into tearful facepalm than when I heard that.
Nobody dies because everyone knows death is bad
"If you're going to get stabbed, just remember they can't do that without your consent and it'll all be fine"
To be fair, that's not what he said.
He essentially says that [people say out loud that rape is bad,] therefore [society is hostile to rapists.]
The 'duh' isn't [people do crimes] but [people lie].
@@JoshSweetvale let them be disingenuous that's the entire point of this video in the first place.
She even use the argument that cheating is not the norm to defend women but had no problem using rape which is even more uncommon as if it's a normal thing that happens to women everyday
@@Victhemightyya, because rape is an order of magnitude worse bud. It isn't disingenuous to say (fore example) "Women cheat 10% of the time and that's fine" and also say "1% of women are raped and that's bad". They aren't the same thing...
There’s something pretty saddening about how the modern world was supposed to make connections and interaction easier yet everyone seems to feel more isolated than ever. And everywhere you look there’s some grifter telling you there’s some group to blame for it all.
That feeling has a name: alienation. And there is no group to blame for it, it is the inevitable result of capitalist development.
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it's a spiral of doom, they get banned from everywhere for saying their "opinion" and feel justified by that, but if you don't ban them you could get more impressionable people agreeing with them and then it becomes a legitimate party that will vote for their ideals, you can't allow this.
They don’t make money on talking about a world of acceptance, care, or having a humanitarian view of the world. I imagine the American male talked about here can’t afford healthcare if they don’t grift through life. I would recommend men from other countries to not mix up the grind in the US with a generalized European society. There’s not a lot of countries in as bad shape as America where grifting is a livelihood for so many.
Must point out that the old days sucked even worse.
Munecat blaming thing on patriarchy doesn't help either. I would like her to explain what is patriarchy and how does it influence modern countries in Europe.
I used to use tinder. I once swiped right on a guy I thought was cute and he instantly started insulting my looks, weight, and other shit I just ignored him and blocked him. That was one of many bad experiences I’ve had with men.
What other bad experiences did you have?
Tinder isn't really the best way to find someone serious, since either people take the app as a joke to make fun of others or as a medium for hookups.
@@novinceinhosic3531 I was using tinder as a hookup app so most insults related to my body, like insulting scars on my body from past self harm and biking incidents. However I have also gotten insults on my hobbies, degree and career choice (cybersecurity and criminal justice), my fashion, everything. I’ve gotten similar comments from women too (tinder and friends) but I’ve had more men say it, women seem to not match with me on tinder lol.
@@novinceinhosic3531 asking a woman that is a silly thing. Every woman has had so many bad experiences with men that it would be a book before we finally jotted them all down.
@@fawnieee But then what else is to be done then? Should women all turn lesbians because the bulk of interactions with men are bad?
@@novinceinhosic3531maybe men should stop being assholes to women. This sounds like a more plausible option to me tbh
Jordan Peterson: 10th Rule for Life 'Be precise in your speech'
Also Jordan Peterson: I'm an Evolutionary Psychologist
Also, Also Jordan Peterson: Has no formal education in Evolutionary Psychology...
Also Also Jodran Peterson: I need 45 minutes to answer a yes/no question....
I can't stand Jordan Peterson....evolutionary psychology is a pseudo-science anyway.
Isn't he also an evangelical Christian? Wouldn't expect a lot of things to go together, but what do i know.....
@@floatingpointz5903 that's hard to pin down, as he's tried hard to keep that line blurry.
When asked "do you believe in the literal reincarnation of Jesus Christ as written in the Bible?", Jordan Peterson's response was "well, it'll take 45 minutes to answer that question..."
Yes but that does not undo that he is precise with his language. Even if he takes 10 hours, that's fine so long as he is precise.@@c0nd0rd4myt
The part about men being ashamed of being the victims of domestic violence really hits home for me, I'm an attorney who handles a lot of DV matters and ide say 95% of the time male victims I've worked with have ended up voluntarily dismissing their cases, even when they have solid evidence of abuse. Some have even outright just told me that was their reasoning despite believing the abuse would likely continue.
This is true for a lot of these cases for all sexes. Always pursue it, never accept any less.
Male female both victims have same be behaviour. They tend to supress their helplessness and go back to the abuser.
@@sista363 eh, the female victims are more of a 50/50 in my experience
@@sista363 Female abusers are often a lot more subtle in their abuse, though, as it's usually a lot more psychological and less physical. Women tend to abuse through gaslighting and other forms of manipulation, which typically results in her mistreating and disrespecting her man while convincing him and their mutual friends that he is the problem. Long term, this can result in major depression and trauma and even questioning your own sanity. But good luck getting anyone to take you seriously.
While feminists keep arguing that men are privileged, it's really women who are privileged, as men's rights, men's suffering and men's issues in general are almost always ignored and even ridiculed.
@@OutOfTheBoxThinker yes this is a common one, I've experienced it and most of my friends have, when a woman treats their partner like shit, flirts with people in front of them, shows them direspect, goes along with other men messaging them, tells their friend every private detail etc. When their partner eventually says they dont like this they are informed by her that they are 'controlling and abusive', trying to control what they do. And when this drama gets out, everybody will side with her because we've been told we have to unquestioningly.
Of course though most domestic abuse is committed by men and we need to sort our issues out as well. Particularly men pulling the mental health card to excuse actually abusive and controlling behaviour.
Mens issues are ignored because of the same sexist mindset that women suffer from as well, I.e women have to be always feminine and weak, and men cannot show weakness, depression, emotions, have supposedly feminine interests or admit loneliness. They are kept from their families by courts because they have the sexist belief women are there for family work. Both sexes are suffering and it shouldnt be a men Vs women thing.
Saying you can tell when a woman has a lot of sex by the way her labia looks is like telling girls not to date guys without foreskin bc their foreskin fell off from having too much sex
I think the only men that can hold that belief are men that see very few or maybe even no labia. I have sex with women that have huge amounts of sex and every woman has different labia and that's very beautiful and interesting by the way.
@@ouwebrood497 I would argue that most men have seen lots of labia, but only through pornography. Which is like saying you have seen a variety of cars because you watch formula 1. Its hardly a good representation of the general population.
@@ihurtmyarm Good point! I admire sexual freedom, but I have a problem with pornography. It's the unhealthy fastfood of sexuality. Lots of young men with erectile disfunction or premature ejaculation because they watched too much porn.
@@ouwebrood497 I am torn on this issue. I have also heard that increased availablity of pornography reduces incidents on rape. I think the main problem is that it is too easily available for young people to access and that, like everything on the internet, it has been a race to make the most extreme content.
@@ihurtmyarm To my knowledge, there hasn't been much evidence for either one of these: that availabilty reduces sexual violence or (what some claim because porn could have a 'normalizing' effect) an increase in sexual violence. What I'm pretty sure of (don't know if there is hard evidence) is that for the individual development of sexuality it is not good. Men should have easier acces to real women, which shouldn't be a problem, because lot of women are willing to be with a man if they want to pay. Than a man learns how real sex works.
As a studied biologist these manosphere guys make my blood vessels burst because they use language they don't understand to proof shit that doesn't make sense once you start thinking about it. It makes me irrationaly angry
I don't have the benefit of your education, but I place a lot of faith in fields such as sociology, psychology, biology, etc. Even from a non-altruistic perspective I find the manosphere claims upsetting; patriarchy tries to dictate what and who I should be because I happened to be born amab; feminism liberates me from that.
So what do your studies tell you? Add something please.
Patriarchy told me to protect women, I dipped from it as soon as I could. It said not to steal, lie, etc. Umm, gimp myself? No thanks. I went the easier path.@@jeremy49988
@@barry963You're gay for myron and fresh
@oddv123456 Peterson is about to lose his licence lmao
my wife and i were set up by friends and did a blind first date. the stories she told me about dating apps were horrific. the way dudes on those apps behave is beyond mind-boggling.
Same for women. Dating apps suck for both sides
Dating apps are why so many people have sworn off dating. So much ICK!
It's literally no different for men the way women act entitled on there is insane.
Oh please 🙄
@@painunending4610
Men get upset at women for what women won't do for them.
Women get upset at men for what men do to them.
There's a difference.
The Fresh and Fit moment when as soon as the women spoke out and stood up for themselves were immediately kicked was actually embarrassing. My god, what a sad level of insecurity
Yeah that was so sad 😂😂😂😂😂
How is this podcast allowed on platforms?
But we are not emotional bros, my outburst when people point my respect hypocrisy is completely factual bro, only women emotion, I big testosterone, gym, facts, never mad, only women get emotional
@Sean E because of the purposeful dumbing down of society, I dunno
@Sean E they keep contradicting their views, i do not understand how they have following.
I have dived deep into the rabbit hole of that alpha male crap around 2-3 years ago and I was so much convinced with these guys. I missed out the opportunity to talk to girls in my school days and it resulted into my thinking being completely f*cked up towards women. I have a younger sister and I didn't talk to her much but it all changed when the COVID happened. Since we were not going anywhere outside, we started to take evening walks on our tarace and that's where I first time got a genuine interaction with my sister and from then on my thinking got completely changed towards women. At that moment I realised that any idea which divide humans among different groups and paint them all similar is not worth following. Every human is an individual and everyone is different and we just cannot judge someone by their gender or any other thing, no two people are gonna act the same way in any situation. From there till now, I have changed a lot
Wow
It's wild to me to hear men say they never took the opportunity to talk to women. Like.... that you have that option even is wild.
Super cool story! It gives me hope that not everyone is entrenched forever in their beliefs.
@@amys0482 Have you ever talked to men? Yeah that's what I thought.
@@SabatSch95 Yes. All the time. That is the point. What kind of question is this?
I've decided that every time someone mentions alpha males to me I'm just gonna go "oh are we roleplaying the omegaverse now? Awesome, I wanna be a beta"
Yeeessss
Or, after the "alpha wolf" research was revised, "so you're a pregnant canine?"
@@floatingpointz5903 Hell yeah hit them with the original Mech thesis counter
'I don't believe rape culture exists. Because people KNOW that it is BAD!'
Your honor. My client couldn't possibly be a mass murderer. Because everybody KNOWS murder is BAD.😌😂😂
Your anaolgy is a complete miss
The first argument is there can't possibly be a "culture" for something everyone is against. A culture is something people embrace
Your flawed analogy is about an individual commiting a certain act. And that he couldn't have done the act becuase of what everybody knows????
You're not way out in left feild, you're not even in the ballpark☺😂😂
@@MikeBarbarossa _"there can't possibly be a "culture" for something everyone is against"_ Ah, sweet, innocent summer child...
In short: R-culture, and every other - at the time - accepted abhorrance to human dignity and rights - slavery; ethnic segregation (such as Jim Crow laws, apartheid); systematic sexism (such as women not being allowed to vote or own property); systematic inequality (such as getting to vote based on status/fortune); oppression based on your religious affiliation; torture; et cetera, ad inifinitum, ad nauseum - are/were all _rationalised_ as 1) justified 2) necessary 3) not actually existing.
R-culture flies under the radar by points 1 and 3... "the sl*t had it coming, dressing like that" or "no, that does not actually happen".
....the latter of which you just showed an example of.
It is not that people did/do not think that being an unfair arsehole towards your fellow human beings is not a bad thing... they just found/find ways to ignore/deny that this is what they are/were doing. Not even actual R-ists accept being accused as such, they _always_ have an excuse to why it was not an actual R.
So can R-culture exist despite everyone agreeing R is horrible?
It can, it does. And every f-er denying it exists, keeps it alive.
@@michaelkarnerfors9545 very poor examples. You gave examples of things that were legal, socially accepted, and even backed by institutional might and governments. Complete opposite of rape. What a flailing attempt
@@MikeBarbarossa Alright, what about alcoholism, particularly during the prohibition? Everyone knows alcoholism is bad, and during that time it was even illegal. People still drank unregulated alcohol to dangerous degrees and recklessly endangered others.
This wasn't because it was widely accepted, this wasn't because it was legal. It was because a bunch of mentally ill morons created a culture around a dangerous habit.
What about homophobia in Western society? It is widely regarded as normal for someone to be gay. There are still large groups of people who advocate against it in the West.
There's also racism. We all know it's bad. There're still many groups for it. Hell, the goddamn kkk still exists in modern form.
Nazis exist in a modern form. We all know that's bad.
radio silence from them now haha@@MikeBarbarossa
Having depression and not having access to therapy for many years pushed me into the arms of self-help for a while. My takeaway? The self-help industry almost makes law and politics look honest by comparison. It did leave me with an abiding fascination with the inner workings of marketing and scams though, and once you start reading about that stuff, you really start seeing it everywhere. Hard to imagine that they don't require a "how to manufacture desperate customers and manipulate them" course in every comms and business school.
This video on the manosphere group but I'd lump them together with the likes of Deepak Chopra. With all of them they help a little as it's basically people in need of somebody to listen and then they hook you and take you for all you have. It sickens me what people are willing to do to make money and how many of them are then thought of as 'good' people.
I have a friend in business school, and he says they told students on their first class that the reputation of business schools always say terrible things, like they're teaching students how to manipulate people out of their money, how to lie just enough to not be legally accountable and such, and that they would prove this reputation wrong.
They then proceeded to teach him how to manipulate people out of their money and to lie just enough to not be legally accountable and such.
There is a lot of good self help out there and honestly even a person you don't always agree with can give you good advice that can benefit you. It's about discernment. I think Jordan Peterson has helped a lot of people.
Yeah it’s an industry. And if people stay miserable, they’ll come back and buy more self help books. It’s all connected
It’s called “marketing” and it is included in comms and business courses
Archaeologist here: the idea that hypergamy emerged as a result of the rise of agriculture and monogamy was “invented” to fix this is the single stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in my entire career. That’s brain worms shit. That’s a [citation needed] sign so big it would blot out the sun.
@@emilyh7912 I haven’t though I just read a synopsis. To be honest this sounds like a book of evolutionary psychology wrapped in an anthropology wrapper. It appears to make some really sweeping pronouncements about human sexuality in antiquity without any real evidence. It’s not wrong about mobile hunting and gathering in the pre-agricultural world, but I don’t know how the authors can be so sure about sexual practice in those societies. To be quite honest this is the same sort of evidence guys like Jordan Peterson use to back up their ideas - that is to say there is no evidence one way or the other. It is entirely possible ancient HGs, in many cases, had bonobo-like sexual networks or whatever - but we do not have direct evidence for that - the same way we do not have any evidence that they would have preferred monogamous relationships. Social scientists love to use archaeology to bolster their claims about contemporary human nature but rarely adopt the humility that every archaeologist has about what the data can and cannot tell us.
Geez I woke up grumpy I’m sorry. I haven’t even read the book! So whose the one making proclamations without evidence? It’s me.
Holy shit that's a big sign. O_O
Monogamy. Yes. That's what they used after agriculture.
*looks at the nearly universal polygamy and concubinage in most literate Near Eastern societies, aka the ones who used agriculture*
@@merrittanimation7721 How do these societies manage to get such a surplus of women to give nearly every man in the society multiple wives and/or concubines (assuming we're not talking about women being allowed multiple husbands)? I mean, I guess a single dominant, highly militant culture could steal them through raids, but it seems like that would probably make widespread polygamy difficult in the neighboring societies.
@@Freefall347
Not everyone had so many women in their relationships
I used to be somewhat like this. Never so blatant or aggressive but I still had the inkling. The moment I stopped seeking dates for the sake of it I suddenly found myself flush with interest. Its almost like women are people and appreciate real human connection instead of some weird fake pursuit of them??
Weird how when others stop trying people are interested in them meanwhile I've never tried and no one's ever been interested in me
No, it’s not because you stopped looking for dates, it’s because you stopped being a desperate tryhard. It’s a difference that most guys ignore. Persistently looking to get dates is a far better strategy either ways
how long were you like this ?
@@marvin2678 Shamefully long. Maybe 3-4 years if you include the deprograming phase
@@PuddiPuddingdoesnt seem to work for me lol
I actually met my wife on Tinder, incredible as that is. We matched right at the height of covid, our first date was at the outside seating area of one of my favorite restaurants, we hit it off quite well. 3 years later, we got married. Early on when we were dating, I asked her if there was anything in particular that made her swipe right on me. In short she said I seem "more normal and sane than the average tinder dude" lol
Normal is a euphemism for taller and more lean. I have good pictures and never get any matches on online dating. I got to lose weight and get jacked.
@@dannyguy2008 There was an entire portion of the video dedicated to debunking what you said. Do you people just come on random videos and start spewing nonsense?
@@bratprica6383 Nope, I read the chart she put after the 80% OkCupid stats. Below average men get far fewer messages than those attractive. It’s even worse on Tinder and Hinge. I don’t know why she misread it.
@@bratprica6383 She didn’t debunk that part. Less attractive males get less messages according to the graph she posted. She just misread it.
@@dannyguy2008 What? How did she misread it? The blue line literally reaches it's apex below average.
I recently casually mentioned to a guy I know who's part of the manosphere that I'm ace. He told me that wasn't a real thing and that I must just be so bad at attracting women that I'm in denial about wanting them - he used the term "sour grapes". Ironically, I got way better at being around women when I came out to myself as ace, because prior to that point I saw myself as straight and (stupidly) had it in my head that being single was a failure of some sort and I tended to approach all women as potential partners. It's hard to tell without seeing myself from the outside, but chances are I was being very creepy.
Realizing I honestly have no interest in dating people (outside a misguided and stupid attempt at comforming to social norms) meant I started treating women as regular humans, and - shock and awe - that made them way more willing to be friends with me, which I'm more than happy with because friendship is awesome. Acting the way the manosphere would have me act was actively pushing women away from me - I know, shocking.
"that's not a real thing." and then they wonder why the number of asexuals are rising. Like could it be that your personality is such shit that it's turning people off? So sorry that happened to you, of course asexuality is real and valid.
@@hey9433 what?
@@hey9433 You realise he wants to be friendzoned. That's what being ace means. You know, asexual. He just wants to find friends.
@@hey9433 you must not have any reading comprehension huh
@@hey9433 I appreciate that everyone else here appears to be as confused by this comment as I am
Damn. I knew that that podcast where it's just men screaming abuse at women was messed up, but the off camera set up of confiscating their phones and getting them drunk is just evil.
Seriously. They need to be investigated.
Yeah, can't look up proof to debunk their bullshit if you don't have a cellphone
@@KaritKtanaunironically a non-zero chance that some of those women have been taken advantage of by the hosts or guests, wouldn't be surprised with how vile those guys are
@@Scooter_Alice Well no shit, ya think? I'm sure some vile stuff has happened in that building.
I knew their podcast was awful, but I didn't know about them taking women's phones and then having them get drunk so they can barely argue against them. If you have to get someone drunk to beat them in an argument, then you've already lost. And the nerve to charge hundreds of dollars FOR A PHONE CALL ABOUT ADVICE YOU COULD GET LITERALLY FOR FREE ANYWHERE ELSE. Just preying on insecure young men and it's fucked up.
I am a man and 27 now i can't believe i fell in manosphere content when i was a teenager...
looking back there content made no sense
thank god i am out of the loop now
During the rise of gamer gate I fell into a lot of the “anti-SJW” crowd (especially with my nerdy, white guy friend group) and this shit was always an “unspoken truth” about women in the community.
Feminism is bad because it denies the “natural order” of gender, real men need financial success, women are happiest in traditional roles… it’s really not hard to see how these “self-evident” things can push normal, insecure teens into believing these huge conspiracies (massive amounts of media pushing it doesn’t help)
It’s kinda shocking how low the age range is when talking about this shit (like 12-17). These guys haven’t even gotten a chance to grow up and they’re already dragged into hopelessness through this bizarre pipeline
What's hilarious is that in hunger gatherer communities, research shows that women were hunting almost as much as men. Both opportunitisxlt as well as actively. And 80% of food came from gathering, meat was a rarity which is why dogs became omnivores because meat wasn't always available. (Also fun fact! It's been recently found that it was thanks to women dogs were domesticated! As men only treated them as livestock to help with hunting, but women treated them as trusted companions and as part of the family. So much so they would even feed abandoned pups with their own body if said woman has a baby herself
! Very cool!)
And the defining role they talk about is that women stay home and men work only really existed in the 50s, for most of history women have always worked even if they were never paid for it. They have always been a part of the work force.
I have no idea why the manosphere insists on the 50s ideal because not only were women having to use drugs (mummy's little helper) to keep up with the workload of constantly popping out babies and also treating her husband as if he were a child. There's a reason this dynamic didn't last long.
And why single and childless women are the happiest demographic of all people.
Men have only ever benefited marriage. It was guaranteed they were allowed to reproduce because women didn't get to choose who they were with and it also meant that men got a free mummy bangmaid that had to obey him no matter what. It was created to benefit men and that still rings extremely true today. Even if a woman outearns her husband, he will still expect her to maintain all the responsibilities and child rearing as a stay at home mother. Which is why studies show that when a woman gets married, her leisure time is drastically decreased or gone entirely while mens only increases because she's now taking care of things he did when he was alone.
There's a reason why the happiest demographic of men are married, but the most miserable are married women and single men.
Every part of this video is getting more embarrasing then the last. Munecat, you are a champion for suffering through all this for us
The big figures are scumbags mostly, irredeemable, but they are brainwashing a massive group of isolated emotionally vulnerable boys. Sure there are grown men in that stuff, but read the comments on those types of channels and you start to see the trend.
Isolating members from the outside using paranoia, hate, and unique acronyms and words that most don't know, all common tactics for cults.
pa!
@@tumericvalley6749 this
Facts, facts.
i feel bad for these blue pill comunity seriusly, the later u f ind out about true women nature, the less time u have to change ur self
You know, this whole "single mothers are garbage" talking point triggers me on a personal level.
After my father had an affair and left (a mostly "peacefull" divorce) my mother raised her 4 boys on her own while working. All of us graduated from school with little problems and 3/4 have university degrees while the youngest is still studying.
My mother worked her ass off to provide for us and having her work so casually diminished and insulted makes me angry on a level I didn't even know I had.
My parents got divorced when I was 10. Dad cheated. To this day my 74 year old mother still insists she did absolutely nothing to make it happen. I know my mother, I know her arrogance. I know exactly what she did, but she will never admit it.
You have to remember. 2 people involved, 2 people responsible. The harshness consequences of behavior do not dictate who the real victim is.
divorced mothers and widows are NOT considered single mothers in the manosphere community. Singles mothers refers to mostly baby mamas who have children out of wedlock.
@@andrehines divorced mothers are the same category. They are infact the epitome of it, when they eject for the cash and prizes.
@@andrehines weird they call them kids of single mothers, and not kids of absent fathers. So convenient to blame women for everything as if they get preggo by flower pollen.
You are talking about the righteous single mother of the past.
THE PAST IS NOT THE PRESENT REALITY.
PAST "MOST SINGLE MOTHERS" =/= PRESENT "MOST SINGLE MOTHERS"
Now, most women don't leave because of "bad mens", but just because of "not good enough men". And if they are not good enough, while they never get a better man after that ? Any woman leaving her "not good enough" man but finding no better men, only have one person to blame : herself, not men. You tried to get better than you deserve, at the cost of destroying your famility. Shame on you. Women of the past >> women of the present. With feminism, ungrattefullness is not diseapering, it's just changed side. "Most present women = most past men" is what modern feminism is pushing for.
Why MOST (not all) single mothers are bad according to manosphere ? If you choose a man serious enough to having kids with you, why cant' you keep long enough for your kids to even get more than 2 years old, what the fuck are you doing ? Men need to wait a women to choose them, and even if they go seriously about it, they get thrown out because the princes want to try again to get her prince after getting her kids. "First marriage for kids and money, and then go back to the street to try again to get my prince".
Once a woman get too entitled and try to get better than she what she deserve, she call out men to take HER responsability to leave the "boring" relationship.
What single mothers does often, is living with a man, while he can't tell anything to her kids or ask anything from her, meaning they share a house and life, but only according to her own rules. That's not being equal at all. Whatever is the behavior of the kids, the women will put the rebellious toxic kids on a piedestal while the men need to be hers kids servant. How can you defend that kind of Single-mother behavior ? I am just curious.
In your mother age, where could you find bunch of single mother with 1-2 years kid ? Only widow or some unluncky women could be like that. Now, women like that are the norm. Entitlement is key here. Ordinary men and ordinary life isn't enough for ordinary women.
80% of women, fighting for 20 to 5% of the top men in online dating. Majority of women (don't remember the numbers this time) on tinder ARE NOT SINGLE. Tell me how those bunch of single mothers appearing from nowhere have nothing to do with this, all telling "my man is boring" (= not good enough for me).
Now, women are saying in the feminosphere "First mariage is for money, second is for love". How can women say that without any shame in feminosphere, but women keep defending them ? Unbelievable.
Most break-up are done by women, they decide they deserve better while the father get thrown out while they keep the house, money, and kids. Kids are called "burden" during relationship, while single mothers say "they are my world". Kids are only called burden by women when they share them, to get slave-pity, but as soon they break-up they become "their world" to get courage-praise. That's how work modern womens : change everyone world view as long it suits your need. Call kids burden to blame men, then call them their world to get praised (and justify that mens accept being less important than everyone else, even the dog/cat). How many women just want to get "a better man and dad", when herself and her kids already have one ? "I am bored, let's throw him out and take all his money, it's time to find real love!".
Don't compare them to your mother. Put her in history books and teach modern women what a real hero is : your mother-like, not them-like. The pride of martyr, is the pride to fight against suffering like your mother, not the pride to suffer because you screw your life but at least people won't blame you for destroying your family and mental health of your kids, because you don't care about anything except yourself and "your feelings". When a modern feminist talk about feelings, it means she stop caring about reality.
Stop saying modern women are as glorious as past women, when they are just the most entitled ever. If a man have a bad life, is fault. If a woman has a bad life, his fault not her ! Women say "i need no men", their hapiness is the result of only their own work, but they get a man it's his fault if anything goes wrong in her life. Entitlement is real.
But most feminists and single mother of today, are "garbage" (= self-entitled person, choosing random dude as dad of their kids, or leaving for selfish reason with zero tough about their kids outside of herself). Take a man, get YOUR kids (your kids only have one parent at birth), throw out the man and try to level-up your man while enjoying your ex money without asking why men should all be happy to raise other mens kids while being put last.
Frankly, I think that if there is an accusation of rape, it should be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated. Not just for the sake of the person who claims they were raped (Even if that is the most important factor here), but honestly, being falsely outed as a rapist can be extremely damaging to any future the person may have.
So for everyone's sake, it should be taken with the gravity it truly deserves, rather than how offhandedly dismissed it gets.
It’s not just rape but the me too movement of a guy using his position for sex. Newsom had an affair and destroyed a marriage but the woman was like I didn’t want to treat this like a me too movement cause it was consensual. I’m like hmm. Did she sign a NDA like bloombergs women? Idk. Bill Clinton should have been prosecuted with the me too movement as it could be argued he clearly had a position of power over Monika.
Right??? We work under an innocent until proven guilty system for a reason, a fair trial only serves to find if it happened, not to find out what **didn't**
Sometimes for the accused not even an innocent verdict can repair the damage done by the allegations.
A false rape accusation is for life. I've seen it over and over. It isn't funny and it isn't OK. Go back to singing for ABBA.
@@mrsherwood2599ah yes, and trauma obviously isn't for life
It's insane how if you just have a chat with women, like, a normal chat, not trying to flirt or anything, a conversation, you realize how much nonsense it all is. These dudes need to go out and just have friendly chats with women. Most of my close friends are women and I would feel infinitely embarrassed to think like this about them.
What in particular is nonsense?
What makes you think women want to speak to these men?
Ask your female friends if they'd be friends with someone with no female friends. The answers will make everything make sense. Hopefully they will enlighten the normie mind
@@painunending4610 the assumption that the expectation of friendship, and not having a simple conversation, kind of speaks volumes. You're already assuming that women owe you something simply because you're engaging with her, and you assume she'll reject you for it. Which isn't surprising because there are far too many men who only engage with women when they think they can get something out of us, and many women are aware of that which is why (shocker) they don't want to engage with you because they sense your entitlement.
@@DavidW-ng5zv did you actually watch the video?
Rewind it and watch it. She breaks it down in a very simplistic way. Hope this helps!
@@fawnieee also, in case you need to hear it, you ARE NOT a victim
Bro as a straight black man, i feel such a visceral hatred towards Fresh and Fit cuz i used to work with guys 10 years older than me that used to spew that same shit at me and called me strange for thinking it was bullshit. Every conversation would delve into talking about some Crypto bullshit or some probably fake story about how many women they've slept with. It got so bad niggas would try to give me unsolicited dating advice to try and "help" me and i just had to awkwardly laugh it off.
You really sat there and typed out the n word? Smh
@@treacherousjslither6920 ??tf up nicca
@@kofi6239 More ignorance. Sad smh
@@treacherousjslither6920 y is it ignorant?
@@kofi6239 It's the perpetuation of a racial slur and you're using it against your own people. It doesn't make any sense. Why say it? You think it's cool to say the n word or something?
To any guys out there trying to make heads or tails of modern dating:
I flirted with redpill type content for a long time. It’s a trap. You know how they said “capitalism will sell you the solutions to the problems it creates?” This is it. The content is generated to create an easy, fast and digestible way to rationalize a world where men are isolated and, really, cut off from love and physical affection.
I married a beautiful woman. Why? Because I focused on improving myself. That meant doing girly things like therapy, helping to facilitate a community (we do potlucks and a yearly camping trip/rave), and embracing and owning aspects of myself that I previously thought weren’t attractive.
Guess what? People love authenticity. They also love congruency. Your philosophy has to match your lifestyle. If you are a traditional, Christian guy you can likely pair with a traditional Christian girl, but you will need to walk the walk of religion and such. If you think being attractive to women means cars, muscles and money, than you better have those things, because the women you will bring into your life probably think similarly. I'm not a super masculine guy, but I don't really care and the women in my life don't either.
Terrible advice.
@@DavidW-ng5zvOh yeah absolutely terrible....go make out with fresh and fit already. Like if you like what they are saying for real then you are probably exactly the sucker they are looking for.
@Aliyah_666 Fresh and Fit may be a joke but the numbers across the board suggest it's a fool's game for most men.
The majority of men in America are or will be married. The majority of men in America do or will own a home. The median worker will make 1.7m in their lifetime. Tradeswork, which men dominate, is in a golden era for wages. Construction is booming, especially on the coasts, and only figures up.
What exactly is a 'fools game' for the majority of men?
Punch up and eat the rich rather than punch down at women who are only a couple generations into participating fully in the economic and political sphere.
@jonblaze32 The .majority of men will lose it in the wealth transfer of getting divorced. And look up discretionary consumer spending by gender. It's not rich men driving it all. Strange that huh?
I got 3 daughters, this manosphere stuff makes me truly worried for them.
I would rather worry about this video.
Every single study in that video didn't prove anything she said at all, and making claims about people like JP never said, but rather manipulating language, showing only the title of a study, and then calling that "evidence" is beyond imagination. When you pay attention, everything is about manipulating the viewer. showing a study and then saying "it's because of this..." is manipulation, and none of those screenshots ever showed the reason for their claim, they just showed the stats, if it was a study that showed more than the title. Also, claiming that the studies she showed were evidence other people used is a complete lie and again a manipulation to make the viewer believe that that study is wrong and that thats the evidence the person uses, and then saying that the person is wrong (a common used tactic among antisocials femal ). also using "studies" like a gender pay gab study to proof a point while that has been disproven years ago, but the study is using "per week" bc woman actually earn more per hour, but work less, and choose lower paying jobs. that whole video was about manipulating the viewer into hating/dislikeing people who disagree with you instead of actually proofing, and stating true facts.
Dude I totally agree with you man, the "studies" were basically only highlighted sentences from the abstract. Also saying that women dont chase and date chads, get married at plus30 because of emotion and not the wall, is total garbage. @@progamer-df3be
Female instinct is unstoppable.
You need to train your daughters to identify dark Triad personality disorders.
My mum married a Narcissist and so did me and my sister.
I escaped mine.
Sadly women find them irresistible.
Good men are often looked down on by most women for not being Alpha.
@@michaellamont2605 TRAIN THEM? LIKE A NARCISSIST DOES?
Who is the narcissist here, huh?
@@radschele1815 yes, this is a parents job.
Not parting your children with your life lessons and culture is called Neglect.
Your children will be trained either way.
Usually by school, pers and our BS excuse culture.
I'm just saying Cardi B probably isn't the best role model 🤷
As a father of a 1 year old in the US. I can definitely see the vast issues with cultural parenthood. I took 1 month off when my son was born and had to use every bit of vacation time I had before the rest of the time was unpaid... While my wife got three months off and then decided to find a new job working from home so we didn't have to send our child to day care we couldn't afford.... Terrible policies enforcing terrible cultural norms...
Not a parent but I 100% agree. My company started offering paternity leave but its a shame its not a standard. Heck, my German colleagues get a year off man or woman and some don't use the whole year, some do. Theoretically both parents could take a year off together or in shifts and be at home the 1st 2 years of their kids life.
@North Korea Is Best Korea In Sweden parental leave can be taken by one parents or shared between them. But for obvious reasons when sharing, mothers will take the first period. Of course there are always exceptions to every "rule" maybe if the mom really can't be away from the job, even though I can't think of such a case. Even party leaders,CEO:s and such take a leave after giving birth. (Most leaders aren't women in that stage of life though but it happens.) But this is a quite child centered society. You don't question it when colleagues prioritize their child.
it's "an investment" for life to have a good start with your child.
@Mike Dalby i'm talking about the parent, not the boss.
@Mike Dalby The context I was talking about was another commenter who spent time with his child. Maybe you could trust that I know what I'm referring to. :)
As a black woman who somehow got sucked into the alt-right rabbit hole in middle school, I'm just now realizing how damaging it was several years later. I had no concept of my own bodily autonomy and often put my partners' wants above my boundaries because I felt lucky to be desired.
They only teach us to have an abusive relationship. As a man I learned that only when I learned about my fathers psychopathy that I understood this had prepared me to consider this to be normal. Thank God other ways to live are possible.
I did my own stint in middle school in the skeptic community (many of whom eventually moved towards alt right in the coming years) and while sometimes I wonder how I could’ve been so stupid to internalize so many awful things, I think it gave me something really valuable: first-hand knowledge about how these people think. And I think in your situation that’s true too.
The rabbit hole sucked a lot of us in, regardless of race. Hell, some are still stuck despite being minorities. I just wish some people would realize and differentiate between the memes and the shitty disgusting takes and ideologies fed to us then. Glad you're out of it now, I think as people grow up they realize how much they've been sucked in, and are waking up.
That's horrible. I hope you can find space and fortitude to work on your own wellbeing and overcome those shitty ideas these men doesn't even remotely know they caused.
We all did
You don't wanna know for how much of this BS I might have fallen for. I decided to start using my brain currently.
u have gf now?
so glad for you !!
Congrats!
@@1hitwoon99
The manosphere; men stop being simps!!
Also the manosphere: okay, you're gonna work out and get money and do all of these things to get women. But this isn't simping, I swear.
Same here man. It is a chapter in my life that keeps me up at night for all the cringe word vomit that space spews I’m reminded by.
Yeah this video reminded me how much I hate "female" and "woman" being used interchangeably by creeps like this
If they use "female" and not "male" or "girls" and not "boys" - it's really telegraphing their position.
Let's take back the word Female!!
@emilymalinowski5027 nah let's use the word woman again....
Seriously- either use male and female or man and woman. That's the equivalent if they aren't using equivalent words they are being deliberately demeaning- whichever way it falls.
I was raped by women when I was 12 and continually for years crazy part is it was my father forcing prostitutes on me when I grew up and was curious why being held by a women causes panic attacks similar to how I felt when I was raped when I finally realized and came out ppl told me I was gay if I didn't enjoy it and men can only be raped by other men I still can't be held and am suffering greatly but hopeful I can heal and get past it
hope God illuminates your way into healing man,I can only imagine your alienating pain.
Best of luck to you,keep your head up don't gjve up on yourself.
I'm wishing you the best ❤️
@@gogego998 God already did a lot to him. Prey for God to leave him alone
Some ppl are dumb. I hope you are in therapy.
Neither you nor any child deserves to be treated the way you were treated. Though I haven't experienced what happened to you that doesn't mean I can try to understand the hell you went through. On my country there is a famous ongoing case somewhat similar to what you describe. Thanks for sharing your story, stay strong and I hope therapy is helping you!
When I was first sober I got into pick up artistry, because I needed to build who I was, I was 20 or 21, and didn't know how to be social, I had just locked myself away and shot drugs for the past 3 years and then been in and out of rehab.
I got involved with RSD in my hometown of Miami, which had a great group. I watched so many very very insecure men get really really good at conversation and talking to people. We did value picking up women but in reality I only ever had 1 one night stand, and would always end up trying to start relationships with these girls, seeing them multiple times, trying to "juggle" 5 or 6 girls at a time and replacing one if one ghosted me or i decided to ghost one, just really treating women half like objects, and half desperately wanting a REAL loving connection and commitment, and realized quickly I wasn't happy hooking up and wanted love and commitment.
That said, I did benefit and watched other guys benefit in social skills and business acumen, so there is something to be gained from the exercises of going out and having to just talk to hundreds of people, men or women, to break down self consciousness.
But one of the defining moments that showed me it was empty and miserable to go out and try sleeping with all these girls was that the leader of the group, a photographer who would do "photoshoots" for girls instagrams as an excuse to get with them, while in a committed relationship with a woman he had convinced to have a one-sided open relationship, as in only HE could sleep with multiple other people a week, and she could MAYBE join him for a threesome though when I met her she said it made her super uncomfortable.
When he found out I was ADHD, he wanted to buy my medication, and was in my car snorting it while I was trying to open up to him about how I wished I could "pull" girls like him.
He turned to me and solemnly said "Dude, you don't want to be me. I'm fucking miserable."
It took months to figure out what that meant. He was trying with drugs, cheating, manipulation of his girlfriend, sexual conquests to fill a hole that he was fully aware of but had no way to truly fix.
Again, the EARLY stuff can help insecure people learn to be more social and outgoing, but from there it just becomes depraved emptiness and misery. I can only imagine where it could've gone from there onward. Happy I realized quickly enough it wasn't what made me happy.
I have a somewhat similar story.
22 got my first internet heart break, wanted to know how women work and spent a year reading everything I could find about pick up artistry.
Started testing it out, which kept building my confidence. Figured out a sure fire way to get a woman turned on. Kept testing it. Had married women rub themselves on me at dinner table while their husband was behind flower arrangements, a woman on a date with another guy to the restaurant bathroom etc.. Got traumatized by the depravity.
Wanted to know what it's like to really be with someone so got a girlfriend using the same tricks. It didn't really work out so after 2 years broke up.
Got out of the scene completely and was fairly happy alone for a few years, all things considered.
Getting into it benefitted me a lot in being more social, confident etc. but also made me despise modern culture and both men and women in it, and possibly later was the foundation for me getting PTSD.
Nothing that intense on my side but I read the game. It game me some pointers. But the part that stick with me the most is, the part on the book where Neil Straust said that his life is shallow and meaningless. That one really got stock in my mind. Some things are useful like, little life hacks… but that’s it. They are only little hacks nothing more.
the way early sobriety and the recovery industry in general function is like bringing scammers and bad ideas together with some of the most vulnerable people in the world. too bad theres so way to skip to mature recovery, because shooting dope is usually better than early recovery
@@michaelwerkov3438 absolutely. It took so long to convince my parents but finally there was a place that isn't affiliated with AA, you can go once a week if you want and you have freedom just have to write your schedule out. That was the only way
source: trust me bro
Hey, i wanted to confess i was really depressed inside and full of insecurities. Blamed women for the fact I don’t have a gf etc.
The truth was all in myself. I started healing.
Went to the therapy. Said sorry to many people. Started being more kind. Saw women as people. Then made friends with some of them.
Now my best friend is a woman and I would like to say here:
Without you I wouldn’t be here.
You made me realize how valuable I am as myself and you healed my depression.
You made me realize how sad and insecure I was and believed in me.
I hope you’ll have the best life with love and unforgettable experiences because you deserve it the most in the word.
I just wanted to tell all women here:
I’m so sorry for spreading this kind of “manosphere” stuff.
I’m so sorry.
Im a different man now.
I wish you all, women, to love yourself like I love myself now thanks to my dearest friend.
I hope somebody will read it and have a better day 🖤🖤
I mean,you worked it out and woke up,you don't really owe us an apology,but we do appreciate that you woke up ❤
I hope you are doing well now!
That's awesome to hear! I also went through a similar thing and I see you, I got out of that sphere 5ish years ago and I wish I could say it was easy. I don't know about you but I sometimes remember how I was and feel guilty about it and I just wanted to say it's important for you to recognise that you were not the problem, it's a predatory and disgusting trap that too many have fallen into. The fact you escaped means so much and is something you should be proud of.
Improvement is always possible! This internet stranger is proud of you.
@@GabrielleTollerson It's not that I had to apologize. But it's therapeutic to do. I'm much better now. In fact, I'd hazard a statement I'm happy. Demons at the back of my head, but I'm 100% myself, have support, self-confidence, healthy image of people and myself. I'm fighting every day, for a better tomorrow. Always giving everything I got, because that's what a strong person would do. And I am strong and worthy. And I believe You here, in the comments section, are too.
Many men ironically enough are slowly becoming more and more self destructive with this type of mentality in the first place, many of their ideas about relationships won’t help them get a good one, their ideas about money may actually get them something but they won’t even have time to enjoy the money they gain
those men listening to the redpill were already having no succes with women to begin with so no, its not helping them but also it does not matter, it would not work out for them either way.
what advice would you give them? surely if finding this huge amount of good, loyal, honest women out there is so clear and obvious to see, why are they turning to these people in the first place? where are these amazing women for them? that are not "picky" open minded and give a reasonable guy a chance? hmmmmm
If it keep on going this may lead to increase in violence
We will have to brain wash and emasculate about 30-40% of men into thinking that persuit of romantic relationship is bad and working for survival is good for them
So that the top 20 % of men can have kids with most women and remaining men can help fix some broken hearth
@@James_36
@@James_36 lemme ask you this. Has any of this manosphere advice ever been fruitful?
@@James_36 Read the bible. Go for a christian woman. Or a woman with traditional values.
19:50
“You’re gonna respect me”
“You’re gonna respect me back”
“No”
Summation of all of the manosphere
summation of modern feminist double standard i agree
"im princess do everythign for me die at work while i objectifie men as disposable wallet"
agree, we asked to respect while being disrespected then wonder where aree all the good men
avoiding expensive superficial misery and lies
but women are lucky,. more 0.0001% men for them while 99.999% avoid the payment and drama
where are all the good men; busy being wanted by 5 billion princess and queen
@@MassMultiplayer L + get therapy
@@MassMultiplayerbro pulled statistics out of their ass
@@MassMultiplayer Citation sorely needed.
@@MassMultiplayer Source: Trust Me Bro
"Hello, woman here."
I didn't think this channel would stoop to jump scares but here we are!
Wait until women get moved to the front lines in the coming world conflict. Her videos will be even funnier 😆
Ya but I was spooked 👻
@@Jim-yl6tf women are already fighting on the front line in Ukraine against Putin's neo-Nazi thugs. Your point is?
Quick to the base-cave.
That was 200% for real.
How do these men not understand that single mother households entail that the father is a deadbeat dad?
weeeeelllllllllllllllll, be careful when generalizing...
here is a hypothetical:
Man is in a relationship with woman.
woman gets pregnant (by accident or her intention it is irrelevant), woman wants to keep baby, man doesn`t. why should the man be obligated to sustain the kid? when he didn`t want that kid in the first place?
please do note that i am 100000000% for the right to choose, but that right must be on both sides. the woman has the right to opt out of having the kid, but the dad doesn`t.
the only viable way i can see this is for him to have the one-time option to acknowledge the kid, or not. in the case of not, he is to not have any contact or relation with that kid.
what are your thoughts on this?
@@vicu_negru He knows what is at risk every time he has sex. If he chooses to do something that has an unintended consequence then he still has to face that consequence. And since he is just as much at fault for the pregnancy as her, then the consequence should be shared.
Imagine he got an STD instead of getting her pregnant. Just because he didn't intend to get the STD doesn't mean he should ignore it.
@@jonathonrobinson6081 does Woman have the option to opt out of having the kid? Simple yes or no question.
Ps: I totally disregard your example with the std, because it does not equate, for the same thing...
@@vicu_negru Yes because it's her body. There are still consequences to an abortion, so don't pretend as if it's an easy "get out of being pregnant" card. Just because a woman can opt out doesn't mean a man should be able to as well - unless you think the opposite is true, that a man can force a woman to remain pregnant because he wants to be a dad and is willing to be it's sole financial provider etc. even if she wants an abortion is fair?
@@jonathonrobinson6081 so, what you are saying is that even though it is a consensual act, the woman gets to choose everything...
see here we have a problem, the dude has no choice, and the woman is the one who has all the choice.
so what i am saying is this:
yes! The dudette should have a choice whether to become a mother or not, her body her choice.
and
yes! The dude should have a choice whether he wants to be a dad or not if the dudette decides to keep the kid.
as it stands if the dudette decides to keep the kid, the dude is FORCED to be a father, at least financially.
and that is unfair, and it is inequality.
look, you want to keep the baby? cool! no problem! can you provide for that baby if the man doesn`t want the baby? yes or no! don`t force someone into having a baby as long as you want that baby.
I would rather abandon any romantic pursuits than date with any of those men shown in this wonderful video. Thankfully, I'm married for more than a decade to a great, real man. He's respectful, responsible and caring. And not self-absorbed like a toddler. Those guys don't want partners, they want sex toys, cleaners and breeders compacted into one human being.
Good for you, I was a man who made many mistakes. But I got up from my knees and changed. I truly changed. I wish you all the best and I’m happy you found a caring man.
I strive to be that man too.
@@azineox9633It's never too late to change for a better. Good luck on your journey!
And most women feel this way which is why so many women are abandoning any romantic interest with men.
Funnily enough, the happiest demographic of people are single and childless women.
I love when they reference animal behaviour to try and support their alpha male man theories. I took an advanced animal intelligence course last year as part of my animal biology degree, and one of the studies we analyzed was looking into the behaviours of feral dog packs. The findings were that females did tend to pick stronger, higher ranking males as mates, but if the male was aggressive or pushy, he would become the least popular option regardless of rank. Funny how that works, aye? 😊
I'm shocked this comment has been up for over a week without hundred of angry incels trying to convince you, the one with the education on this, that comparing an entirely separate species behavior to us is completely rational and totally applies to human behavior
@@droc5427 off course it applies to human behaviour, even because all species in this planet share a common ancestral, therefore there is no such a thing as "entire separeted species". By looking at mammals, there are even more traits in common with us because,guess what, we are mammals and we have traits in common with other mammals. If we look at the primates we can see even more similarities with us because the primates are even more close to us compared to other mammals. This is how the biology and evolution works. There are many branches in biology and they all use other animals to compare with humans, for instance: when you want to test a drug you first use rats because they are similar to us.
@@inrisalvatore9520 People who have an actual education on this say that's not how it works. Also while similar it isn't exact and there's a reason why there's a human testing phase of things. The fact that you used the lab rat example of all things just tells me you don't have anything beyond a highschool understanding of this.
An entirely separate species behavior isn't an indicator of human behavior. Stop trying to make it seem like that's how it works
You contradicted yourself without even realizing. So you agree that the female animal is most likely to go for the higher ranking males, but would lose said ranking if he was aggressive? That makes no sense. Because aggression is a masculine trait that indicates dominance, which is what decides a male animal's level on the social hierarchy.
@@Ddx629 male aggression directed towards females is not an evolutionarily favourable trait. When we study mate selection behaviours in animals, we must remember that the females choice is completely based on the outlook for her offspring; an aggressive male will be a danger to her and her offspring, posing a threat to her ability to pass down her genes. She will not select him.
Someone on tiktok said “if you’re gonna look down upon ‘feminine’ hobbies and only engage in ‘masculine’ hobbies, you really should be dating other men” and this is reminding me of that
I've always wondered about the concept of a "man's man."
Cuz, uh, that's just Masc 4 Masc...
The 2000’s meme of “I’m so manly it takes a man to satisfy me!”
@@Ellie_deMayo Damn, now I need to figure out how to use that in a conversation
Yeah you are right, I am going to shave my mustache and have my toe nails did! Thanks for the advice
@@TonySparxx you’re 12. you don’t have a mustache. stop watching “feminist gets owned” compilations and go touch grass.
I can only speak for myself, but I also was unsuccessful with women due to bullying and when I started working out and look decent I still had no sucess. At first I allmost fell into the trap of blaming women. The funny thing is I couldn't believe that half of humanity was bad. So I did some soul searching and started to look at woman as just people I can have a nice time with talking without a goal. Once I stopped seeing women as "tool towards partnership" the success in love came by itself. So actually droping this whole manosphere thing would actually be more helpful to those poor guys. At least I think that now.
I never treat women as a means to an end and I'm a 25 year old virgin. No woman's ever been attracted to me
@@painunending4610 Can you tell me in 300 words the following things: What interests you ? Why is that the case ? Can you tell an interesting story about your interests ? What is the story ?
@@Moncrom I don't see why thst's important
@@painunending4610 It absolutely is because if you cann't do that there is your problem. If you cann't answer those questions in a way that somebody who is not into you interests can follow it that's the reason women aren't attracted to you. In that case it's a twofold problem: Lacking the conversational skills to interact with women properly and being able to unterstand your conversation partner enough to rephrase your words in a manner that another person can unterstand you. Luckily those things can be changed with a lot of self searching and training.
Also a bonus question: How often are you around groups of more than 10 people weekly ?
@@Moncrom eff it I'll answer
Death interests me muchly. I won't say I'm obsessed with it because that sounds weird but I am incredibly fascinated by it and especially the cultural phenomeneon and taboo around it
It interests me because it is so prevelant in each of our lives. We all die, we are all dying. In a world of such beautiful variation, where no two people are the same it is something we all share, something that bonds us all. Rick, poor, man, womans, black, white we all end up in the dirt eventually. We have all experienced death in some way, the grief and healing that comes with it, and I truly believe that is beautiful
An interesting story? Nah not really, but women aren't attrcated to interesting stories
Dudes getting scammed by grifters are coping as hard as they can in the comments
I hope you're aware of the grift being served here as well
@@sean7269 In what sense?
@@Lalelailulo That she, like many of the members of the manosphere, is selling you something
@@sean7269 ads on UA-cam are different than hyper focused courses. If grifter meant selling anything in general every UA-camr would be a grifter.
@@Lalelailulo She's at the point in her YT "career" where she's pushing a patreon, merchandise, a podcast, and all of her socials. Beyond that, I see a grifty nature to the game of youtube content creation and that is what I am calling out more than anything else here. I don't think it's reasonable to fully trust/agree with any online personality for this among other reasons.
“BuzzFeed, you owe feminism reparations”, I literally laughed so hard milk came out of my nose and I choked a little.
are you okay?
It’s been 18 hours, I’m sure they’re fine by now.
@@justinwatson1510 or dead
@@bazdotorg I survived, barely.
bet it was soy milk
As someone who used to watch feminist owned by facts and logic! videos in my mid teens. I'm so glad I matured and moved away from them as I went to university. It's so much darker and more sinister than I had any idea of at the time.
Great video
God bless you. You're seeing what happens if you stay there
Did you ever think about men talking like that talking about your sister's mother and nieces
U rock 🤘🏻
Any kind of "X owns Y" videos are painful to me and should be avoided, even those that support your POV. They almost always consist of one person who's done a whole lot of rehearsal and prep work blindsiding another person who's totally unprepared in a spontaneous encounter, and proceeding to dominate them by barraging them with stats and controversial statements, talking over them, cutting them off and motoring through talking points. Almost anybody caught in that situation is going to look or say something stupid, incoherent or ignorant.
And often what happens is if the confronted person even hints at saying something that really does knock a chink in the presenter's argument, you can see the mask slip, the presenter gets stressed and the cutting off, talking over etc increases. In well-edited videos you rarely get the chance to see moments like that; they more often appear in things like long-form podcasts, but even then only if the host is honest enough to upload the whole exchange and not cut out the parts they disagree with.
Point being you're never going to see any honesty in these vids and you'll rarely learn anything. Watching ownage just satisfies that part of the brain that likes to know it's right and is happy to see the other side kicked into the dirt. It would be better if everyone watched well-considered, long-form debates where all parties came prepared, armed with all the research and didn't just jump each other with aggression, but no video titled "Feminist civilly debates anti-feminist for three hours, disagree on some things but agree on others, concede to each other's points sometimes and end up with more knowledge and a generally respectful understanding for each other's POV" is going to get many views.
“As I went to university” is huge, and a real reason why the misogynistic (who happen to be mostly right-wingers for some crazy reason. Gosh, I have no idea why/s) are against college, claiming it brainwashes young people… lol.
University opens the door of insight, which is pretty dangerous for them. Glad you escaped
The same guys who were teaching guys how to neg in the 2010s have decided to cut out the middleman and are just directly negging guys into buying crypto rugpulls and overpriced supplements.
I was in need of a video making fun of "alpha male" mentality. Thank you.
Interesting point about victims of sa not identifying as such and how that affects the data. Just the other day a friend of mine said he wasn't sure if it counted as sexual assault and then described an almost textbook sa that happened to him as a child
When she explained that I cringed. I've had similar situations with male and female friends. I've also taken stats and work in health equity. The fact researches didn't realize likely traumatized people in denial would probably say no if they were flat out asked if they'd been SA after a barrage of other unrelated questions is sad. You can't use a sledge hammer for a sensitive topic and expect people to be honest, even if it's anonymous.
@@RoseEyed what was the reason for cringing???
@@littleshrimping6872 that the researchers would put in that much effort just to make a basic mistake like that
@@RoseEyed Unfortunately that's just an inherent issue with using self-reporting methods of research. You can anonymize everything and encourage honesty by reassuring them that personal information won't be publicized or by phrasing questions in non-invasive ways, but it's never possible to ensure complete honesty from every participant. Self-report measures and methods will always be flawed in that way.
Yes this is SO COMMON for men. It breaks my heart.
literally had a boss tell me “I made enough money for a woman” and “I’m just here until I marry rich”… I made $14 an hour…
Simply psychotic. Least deranged boss.
Men literally sold their women and daughters for profit and or land, and then complain that our culture perpetuates this. While upholding the patriarchy
On a side note, how old was he? Because I just want to be sure…
I recently read a study that female surgeons and drs have a far higher success rate of correctly treating and healing their patients than their male counterparts, but they're paid 2.5% less than their male counterparts. :/
I genuinely love that there's a bunch of "ex-manosphere-dwellers" on here :) nice boys.
i'm too lesbian to survive the outro song imma have a heart attack
15:32 My wife and I constantly yell 'UN-ASKED FOR' whenever we do something sweet for each other (even if we asked for it) entirely because we found that Ninja tweet so absurd and hilarious.
Excellent video like always, Munecat.
Ninja sux... Trust me. Ran into that jerk a few times during the halo 4 days around 2013. He's always had brainless takes... Just some lucky to fail upward neo lib...
Couple goals!
I hope I will have a braless wife that makes me sandwiches in the future. (Un-asked for)
In fairness, surrounding myself with hard men has generally lead to good times
💀
@ OMG HII GIRL HIII I’m so parasocial
As a guy, im jelly
@@sothisisbasicallyhow4696 appropriate response
most sane comment that isnt sexist towards men
As a man who fell down that pipeline when I was 12-13 I cannot describe how much you nailed that intro.
“It’s not an emotional reaction it’s a fact reaction”
I’m cackling because that doesn’t sound serious at all but I know he believes it 100%
Whenever I hear someone saying they are the Alpha I chuckle. If you have to say that it automatically means your not
Alpha literally isn't a real thing anyways. That paper studying wolves was disproven by its own author.
A real alpha doesn't use those words.😂
You're. But yeah, this red pill / manosphere culture is full of bullshit bingo terms. Unfortunate, for a big part of what it says is uncomfortable, but very true. People just don't like unconfortable thruths, be it climate change, or falling birth rates (guess why).
"Any man who must say, 'I am the King', is no true king." ~Tywin Lannister
“A man who needs to yell ‘I am the king!’ is no real king.”
I'm a guy and it took me 6 or 7 years to realize I had been raped. At that point I was so removed from it I'd have no idea how to report it if I wanted to or if I'd even be able.
Then it wasn’t actually rape. Unless you’re a child or mentally disabled, you will know if you’ve been raped.
@@jpocallens6776You have been failed by the education system.
@@jpocallens6776 victims could be in Denial
That's a real thing that happens
I'm sorry for that awful experience kirsbluefield i hope u can recover
@@jpocallens6776excuse me? you don’t know the details of his life and what happened to him, you don’t have the right to tell him that.
I’m sorry you went through that! ❤
As a father of a 13 year old boy, I really REALLY appreciated this video. I knew there was a lot of toxic masculinity content on UA-cam, but this opened my eyes to just how much and how bad. As a 40+ year old married father, I'm not the target audience for this crap so I don't get exposed to it much, but my son absolutely is... and this helped raise my awareness of the kinds of things that are targeting him. Thank you munecat! :)
Nah, he'll just do more research and show how this woman's arguments are largely incorrect. So many of her sources to "disprove" hypergamy actually ironically show that hypergamy is real, for example. The reason why hypergamy is decreasing in the West is because it's becoming far more difficult for women to do it. As young women are outperforming young men in almost every aspect. There's an inverse wage gap under 30, women out-educate men, they have higher positions within companies. The pool of men that has a higher status than women is becoming smaller by the day. That's the reason, and nothing else.
Or using Sweden, when Sweden is a prime example of how many feminist arguments are BS. Sweden is the prime example of the gender equality paradox.
@@MGsubbie The circular logic you just displayed there is astounding... buuuut I find that typical of the MRA Jorpson acolyte types.
@@ShinmaWa1This is not circular logic at all. This is just applying common sense. And this whole comment is deeply ironic, as feminism is chock full of circular reasoning.
The fact that she recognizes it's decreasing in Western society immediately undercuts her own point, as something that isn't real cannot be decreasing. If it's decreasing, then it's actually a thing.
Just like the fact that the differences between men and women become more pronounced in more gender equal societies, is an actual fact.
Make sure to hug him, listen to him and let him be vulnerable towards his own dad. Also, it's a HUGE bonus if you casualy banter with any women in front of him, as well as flirt with your wife. A son is as much a confident sexy stud as his dad is.
@@MGsubbie Most of the tthings you said i agree except for currently there are still more male CEO's, COO's and CFO's and president then females but there catching up, its true that more females are going to college then males but are holding most of the debt cause males long ago learn that you dont need a college degree to become succeful as long you have a trade unless you going to college for the S.T.E.M field.
The quality is so astounding I feel guilty for consuming it for free
As a man, I cry every day about not being a bee.
As a trans girl, I cry every day about my lack of boobs (attached to me or in my hands. The lack of both is more upsetting)
@@YesNo-yx1tw be normal
@@hugoshubert but trans rights, they do kinda be human rights tho
@@YesNo-yx1tw Oh, sure. You have the right to do whatever the fuck you want. Doesn't mean I have to care or agree with it lol.
@@hugoshubert jeez she was making a joke calm down
As a man, I almost got sucked into the "manosphere" red pill nonsense. The red pill gurus appeal to your self confidence issues, even further your insecurities to sell books and materials. Fantastic video
I, too, was knee deep in mgtow rhetoric. It’s a grift that preys on vulnerable men with trauma, unfortunately
@@Taeodoestech the irony is that they think they are trying to build up men by tearing them down. It's horrible
@@gardenboydon I don't think they're trying to build up a damn thing but their own bank accounts. Some of them definitely know they're talking a bunch of horse shit but their bank account doesn't care.
I remember when I was kinda into that shit when I was younger makes me cringe watching this now cause I know now how right Munecat is lmao
Just become a communist instead. That's what I did. I'm still depressed but at least I'm not a misogynist douche bag.
Imagine blaming the parent that STAYED for raising "the worst kids ever." What a bunch of hate filled monsters.
Funny you say that. Since women are 3/4ths of the ones initiating the filing of divorce and then have overwhelming advantage in family court and not only that but a financial incentive and a living weapon to use against the man they divorce by withholding visitation or denying it. I was raised by a single mother who voluntarily left her marriage even though by her own admission my father never laid a hand on her and was providing. Her excuse was she was "emotionally unsatisfied". Fuck the kid who now has to grow up and reap the consequences, right? Nothing about the rest of the story turned out "good". By sheer luck of genetics/environment/resilience I didn't turn out to be something worse.
Hey brother, I didn't really see anyone blaming single parents, rather pointing out the statistical fact that single parent homes raise the highest percentage of criminal youth.
A second parent in the home is the biggest statistical marker for a Childs success.
A good example of a white person not wanting to take responsibility 🤡
@@UA-camStyleChannel The people featured in that part of the video from 1:00:02 onwards clearly blame single mothers for their childrens issues, while absolving the missing parent (father) of any and all blame. They're not blaming single parents, they're specifically blaming single mothers.
@@UA-camStyleChannel They also think single fathers do a better job of raising children than single mothers. But children brought up in a home of strife with two parents constantly fighting don't do well at all which is why so many parents get divorced.
What about families where one parent had died and the other parent still living? That was very common at one time in the 19th century and early to mid 20th century because of men being killed in wars and women dying in childbirth. If it was the father who survived and he was earning a lot of money he could hire a nanny to look after the children but many widowed parents struggled on alone. Nobody went on about how those families were dysfunctional and their children would turn to crime. If anything it was poverty that had a direct causation with crime.
Cackling at people trying to defend peterson in the comments
55:56 So, I’m not a incell and I’m with you in nearly all of the points you make, but as a male healthcare worker, I was instructed to never be alone in a room with a young woman because there were instances of them trying to sue our doctors office (trauma and visceral surgery) for stuff like SA because you could get real money through that. I did never do something like that but I was instructed to let nobody the opportunity to sue and it wasn’t just me, my doctors never went alone in a room with a Jung female patient. Also I knew a girl who showed off her suing her ex, just because he left her for another girl. I went to him and gave him the texts to help him with the trial. It is definitely a problem that men don’t have themselves under control, there are no excuses for such behavior and anyone who does this needs to get punished. Also I don’t think you can and should dismiss the fear I have now to be alone with a patient. I was r-ed, from a girl and seeing how this incredible evil and might-less feeling can be used for personal gain let’s me feel sick. Incels are mostly stupid but as a normal man in a happy, equal relationship: I know that getting sued without having done anything is a real possibility. You’d never loose this association, even if proven innocent.
not being alone with young people is not just a male thing. I'm a woman who works at a school, and I was taught the same exact thing: never be alone in a room with a student. my mom was a girl scout leader, and the official rules dictate that no adult, regardless of gender, should be alone with a child if they are not the parent.
it's not targeting men, it's a way to protect both young people from being victimized, and professionals from false accusations.
Always remember: These MRA types aren't trying to impress women, they're trying to impress other men.
Exactly, also there is nothing more homoerotic than legally changing your name to admiring men's body's. 💪🦵
So much of this brainrot could have been avoided with a quick cheeky brojob.
Always kiss your homies goodnight, friendos!
Amen
What about women MRAs?
@@Taeodoestech same thing, to impress men
"All women want a rich man" I'm gay.
I think it is pretty obvious they are generalising, exceptional comparisons do nothing to disprove a general point
@@James_36nice ragebait
@@James_36L comment
I am gay as well.
THATS TWO WHOLE PEOPLE FIGHTING THIS FACTUAL FEMALE FACT
@@James_36 Who invited you?
People downplay love way too much. Maybe because they can't find it, maybe because they are afraid of what comes of it. But we have to bring love back, and out of this "oh loving is cringe" thing.
I accidentally found myself into the manosphere, discovered think before you sleep. Watched his vids for like 3 months, and started to n otice that I would occasionally get redpilled videos in my recommended. Found this after doing more research. Trying to remove all that stuff I thought was true. Thank you
I almost fell into this rabbit hole when I was younger. Thankfully a video similar to this did end up in my feed and gave me more to think about. I am so glad to have escaped that kind of lifestyle and way of thinking.
Yay 🎉 I’m happy for you. Sadly a lot of guys end up there
@Jad because it’s dangerous and toxic and doesn’t allow people to take accountability for their own actions/ short comings.
@@JaddddddddddddddddddThe video, The video you commented under, The video built to explain it.
@Jad the proof is u babe
@Jad proof of the proof you're asking ? 🤨
Yeah, it should be "bears to honey", not "bees to honey". Although attracting bears is a very different skill-set.
Attracting bears is easy, it just won't be the sort of attention you want.
Arming bears again, are we?
British people say bees to honey.
@@scottvelez3154 I beg to differ. Have you ever drawn a bear to you by caking yourself whole in honey? The bear is attracted to such a degree that it will mount you, tear off your clothes, lick the honey off in the most gentle manner imaginable while pinning you to the ground with its big, virile claws and then tear off your face at the climax.
Really hard to get more erotic than that! Men love getting their faces torn off! Scars are manly so have a scar for a face means you become the most manly!
@@tomthomassony8607 british bees must b strange creatures
What a breath of fresh air, thank you so much for making this. It's a heavy burden to carry/explain. Im convinced the UA-cam algorithm thinks Im a young male and shows me all these gross misogynistic videos and it makes me woried how it is brainwashing young males who have been rejected into stereotyping and hating women. I mentioned it to my brother when we were talking about social media and he immediately said "girls are wearing too sexy of clothes these days and thats why they are being sexualized." I said thats a side tangent to what I was talking about which was a lack of respect and treating women as inferior beings.
the problem is, there is an element of truth they do preach, like hitting the gym often and quitting p0rn. But its mixed in with alot of misinfo and its very easy to get sucked into it, if you're in a bad headspace or having a rough time with girls. I was submerged into it back in 2014-16, and only left in 2017 once it became overrun with alt right and white supremacists. It wasnt just about PUA and self-improvement.
@@eyecontrol4900 I agree, and I'm glad you got out of it. It's so hard to reconsile feeling like you're worthy and have value with being rejected and I've gone through those struggles as well when I was in a bad headspace. Basically it comes down to the fact that no one owes you anything, and just because you can't have everyone you desire, it doesn't mean they're bad or you're bad. It just means you don't click and that's it. I had to go through a lot of rejection and toxic relationships until I finally found the one. Working on yourself definitely helps but not at the expense of turning into a hateful arrogant tool.
I had to hit pause after hearing “young Chaduwan”.
Edit: It never stops! Incel subsidiary of Claire's? JFC! LMAO
I used to be in the manosphere until 2020 and I couldn't really pin down why I gradually drifted away from it, I think it was the anti-woman rhetoric that was being pushed that didn't make sense to me because the ultimate goal was to be in relationships with them, but we hated them? One day I decided to just have regular conversations with the women in my life and it changed my whole relationship with them. I feel better about myself, I'm steadily getting closer to graduating and working in IT, my current job is going swimmingly and I'm in a loving, healthy relationship with my girlfriend. I joke about being apart of the red pill with her and we have a good old laugh together. Thank you for articulating what I was feeling when I was there. I now have to go back and analyse the thoughts I used to have. You really put words to my gut thoughts, thank you so much for your content ;)
What's your girlfriend's rating out of ten? How many men had she been with before being with you?
@@kmann100500 for a second I thought you were serious lol
@@adult_nubian I am. There is no use claiming you're a winner without stating what the supposed prize actually is.
@@kmann100500 Wait. So you're saying a woman is a prize to be won and she's only valuable if she's a ten and a virgin? Clearly you haven't spoken to many beautiful women. Go outside and touch some grass bro. It'd be more fruitful than inciting arguments with strangers online ;)
@@adult_nubian nice strawman and evasion. Quite telling though.
I'm a dude with self-worth issues, but I can safely say that watching this video makes me feel a lot better about myself, personally. Jesus Christ.
If this video makes you "feel" better, you've got deeper issues that you haven't addressed
@Ddx445 if he can say he has self-worth issues I think he is, or will address it
I'm a lady with self worth issues so I can relate. Seeing some of this toxic behavior in this video reminded me of my exes and it makes me feel better that I'm 31 and single and didn't stay with them... because who needs that sh!t! I made the best choice 🤷♀️ lol men like that are the weakest and it shows
Self-worth issues hit all humans, regardless of what genitals they happened to be born with. It can be a vicious cycle for many, though, as worse self-esteem leads people to be desperate, and desperation is generally unattractive (again, regardless of what gender one is).
Flip 22 coins (each representing a person) five times each, where heads is "success" in some thing (such as dating). Odds are, one of those 22 coins will come up tails every single time, while one will come up heads every single time. And that's for 50-50 odds! For 1 in 10 odds, in a group of 20 individuals, you could "flip" *32 times in a row* , and odds are better than not that one of those 20 will strike out *every time in a row* . That's just the nature of random events - some people can just be unlucky, and that sucks. But the two things that one can do is, (A) increase the odds, and (B) increase the number of "coin flips".
With (B), that just means get out and meet more people. In the sort of context that increase the odds of meeting the sort of people you're likely to match well with. With regards to (A), that's situation-dependent, but the absolute worst thing you can do is be perceived as someone who thinks of women as "females", as some other species, for which one is supposed to play some "game" learned online to manipulate them into dating you.
Everyone is a human. Different people have different things that they're attracted to - which are correlated with, but not at all completely defined by gender - but just treat people as people, enter situations where you'll meet lots of people, and things will work out fine for you. Because however poorly you may think of yourself, I guarantee you, there are lots of people out there who, getting to know you, will strongly disagree with you in this regard. As anyone who's ever been in a relationship with someone who had a poor self image (a VERY common thing) can attest. Look inside yourself. Are you a good person, or at least try to be one? Then there's no problem, and you're going to be just fine. :)
Take care, Miser :)
@@miriahaustin5809 What are you defining as "toxic"? What are you defining as "weak"? Because nowadays, some women define toxic in a way where their boyfriend is not cool with them having male "friends"?
youre right sister, the manosphere is wrong, im still wating for my dream girl
Based, but in this economy it will be difficult
I really hope you find your boss babe wife and spoil her to no end one day ❤️❤️❤️
And who will be your wife's boyfriend?
Pass me the blunt you smoking
12:00 ¨like bees to honey¨...this is exactly it! Once he got good at game and fattened up, women wanted to store him in a closet for later cannibalism by their offspring. 😂
I’m a dude, but all the manosphere stuff never really appealed to me. My brother though has fallen into the “red-pilled” Manosphere stuff recently, and for the past month, he wouldn’t shut up about all this nonsense. All he ever does is complain about women and gay people now; seriously, every day it’s something new. I just want my brother back, man
I encourage you to show him this video
Your brother found the light and is never going back 😂
@@giftkorope5968 if you can call that light
@@giftkorope5968
Like a moth drawn to light.
@@giftkorope5968 he should play TLOU2
I am constantly astonished by people who just won't go with the idea that people might be more depressed now because of feeling trapped in a system that continously exploits them and never gives anything back.
Nah....cant be. Gotta be feminism amirite? Certainly can't be late-stage capitalism
Perfect comment
Come to the red pill, we encourage men to work on them selfs and build them selfs, be it ur carrer or ur body
You just "flipped the tire", toooooo less!
Hehehehe, Wulfleyn
@@franciscopereira5760 .....and also to think of yourself in terms of sexual market value while assigning yourself an arbitrary x ouf of 10 number so you become more self conscious of yourself. While hating women and seeing them as objects good only for breeding. We'll teach you how if you don't look like the stereotypical Chad then all hope is lost, and you'll fall further down the alt right pipeline. Finally culminating in an act of violence or sexual assault. At least 99% of the "Manosphere" is like this. Theres 1 or 2 prominent members of the men's right activists community who genuinely try to help, but most are grifter pieces of garbage.
One thing that I definitively agree with is those courses are a scam. Pooe guys are so desperate that they can't see the scam.
There was only one person that I can speak openly, ask for advice, vent when I was highly depressed and she was mature, kind and intelligent to help me out. She was my foundation year English teacher. Unfortunately we lost her nearly a year ago. Existence of women like her in my life always helped me to avoid any kind of misogyny. She was like a force pulling my mind from this red pill ideas. Rest in peace, greatest teacher of all time. You still keep teaching me lessons even after your death.
sorry for your loss. She sounds like an exceptional lady.
I saw a reel on ig the other day where a woman was on tinder(?) and the dude she matched with turned out to be a wanted stalker when she looked him up online, so she dodged a bullet and the comments were full of men saying "the irony" "so she stalked him....?" "she's a stalker too lol" cause apparently checking a complete strangers bg to avoid being killed or worse is the same as someone fucking repeatedly observing someone against their will 💀💀
Edit 21.05.23: finding out by accident this comment blew up a little and I just now saw the answers....it's so fkng funny to me that there's people asking me for "proof" or call what I say "fake story", like rampant misogyny in social media, especially under reels/tiktoks that feature or are by women is such an unbelievable and alien thing to happen like women aren't victim blamed on the regular. Even worse, under this very video showing enough examples of how wide spread it is 😂 like, define "proof"? That it happened? That I saw it? Yeah why sure, I'm gonna go spend the next few weeks digging up a reel I saw over 3 months ago among thousands, tell you to go watch the comments under it just so that random ass "rational" edgelord either 1. Doesn't bother watch it and then tells me in return "achktually no, that's not what happened, see my essay on why it was just a joke and they aren't serious and also here's why I think it lowkey was stalkish behaviour of her" or 2. Watches it and gives me the same response? Beach please, I've been on the Internet long enough and this is a tactic old as time, idc if you believe me or not cause you already chose not to.
The moment someone is demanding "proof" as immediate response to a witness report of misogyny, immediately framing the dialogue as the other making an outrageous claim, I know they don't care about proof of anything, they just wanna waste your time and if you don't wanna give them that for their obvious lil game, THAT ofc is "proof" it actually DIDN'T happen lmao bye, like I gaf a bunch of incels wanna stay in denial about sexism. god forbid any of yall gotta question your entire identity and become decent people, get fkd 🖕💀🖕
They are easy to spot
wait until those guys in the comments find out they can google celebrities and that they have wikipedia pages (stalker biographies) on the first page of google and a full list of every film and tv show they're in 🙃
I am speechless. I shouldn't be shocked but 🤦🏾♀️
@@barry963 what's you technique?
What does that have to do with anything?
Hey, Munecat. I've been watching your videos for a while. I have to say you really outdid yourself with this one. I have a bachelor's and a Master's degree in public policy, and I work in public service programs for the economically disadvantaged. This video really hit home for me. I was raised by an amazing single mom, even though we grew up really poor. The manosphere puts down men who actually care about serious men's issues like mass incarceration (war on drugs) or the male suicide rate. What's worse is that they do their very best to ridicule you(call you a beta male) if you care about women's rights issues like abortion. I've kind of been in a bad place mentally for the past two years and it's easy to see how these con artists take advantage of people when they are vulnerable. I almost got sucked down the toxic rabbit hole myself. Thank you for all that you do, and keep up the good work, please. You are doing an amazing job.
Lol no that's false.
The most manly man I know fixes downed powerlines - so he is usually working nights in storms on remote hillsides on live high voltage lines. He is 6'5" and looks like a Viking.
He also sits and plays with the kittens outside the apartment block, he fetches the shopping for old ladies, he holds the door open for anyone and everyone.
You’re on the right track, don’t let this as*holes bring you down. Respectful behavior is key, and this insecure little boys try to convince anyone that they can demand something they are not willing to provide themselves. Women bring new life into this world, and even if not, they all take care and nurture the souls around them, they trust and support people - they should experience that it’s appreciated, that their trust is justified and that men take care of them, too. In the best ways possible.
They always bring that up the suicide rate stat but ignore the fact the rate of attempted suicide in women is higher. They don't care about that tho, they just want a "gotcha" moment.
@@SQUELCH-zj7il lol what are you talking about? Okay, yet men are the ones who are mostly homeless. But you want to do what those women do which is competing on who has it worse. The modern world was built on men's health and lives. So it would lean towards men.
Man the amount of people harrassing u or spreading misinformation about u and ur points here is shocking and makes me vomit inside at how my original gender(that being male) will gaslight and react
I'll be homest. I struggled to get through this video and felt the vomit build up at the back of my throat on several occasions.
These dating "expert" manosphere tosspots are ridiculously revolting. Even the short clips you've included made it difficult to make it to the end. But somehow I made it.
I feel sorry for any young man who ends up taking these grifting garbage cans seriously.
You’re not alone on that…
I actually don't think men who follow this realise that they're not succeeding in getting women, they are only further alienating them.
Any woman who hears her male date starts spewing manosphere nonsense will either nope out immediately or exit the date as soon as she can and block all his contact details.
And that will make these men even more bitter which will mean they throw even more money at these "grifters".
Anyone else VERY worried about the F&F guys constantly getting women drunk before they come on the show, and taking their phones away? I feel like that kinda got glossed over.
It’s like two steps away from being kidnapping by law.
@susie x_o fan As a teacher, you have a very easy explanation as to why you need the phones away. As a host, you have none that are not creepy (the F&F guys are not teachers btw)
The 2 contexts are ABSOLUTELY different and incomparable...
Loved how you did not mention the drunk part because you have no rebuttal on that one
@@garancebarbier7381 ...the male guests phones are not taken away and they don't have to sign any waiver
I guarantee there are women who have been assaulted resulting from that 'podcast'.
Nobody can get a grown up to do anything they don’t want to do…shout out FNF
I love that this channel is finally getting the attention it deserves.
Definitely one of the most underrated UA-camrs.
It should have the audience like hbomberguy has. It is the same topics, the same kind of comedy, the same debunking tone, the same care put into it plus music epilogues.
this is the anti red pill channel, its destined to fail because red pill is all about hard facts thats why she seems soo trigered
For real. Never herd of this person a week ago. I think this is my 3rd video I watched. Yeah yeah her pretty hair and stuff is pretty but thats like 4 hrs in one week of her.
Clearly she knows her stuff and can deliver in a way that doesn't make me want to microwave my phone.
@@BullwinkleFFMn I thought she did buy you got to remember it's a global audience and it's the internet "marketplace of ideas" where these clowns live and poison everything.
Like she said you look up basic self improvement and the damn algorithms funnel you into this outrageous bullshit.
Book four had me on the floor
Thanks for your effort, and the call for action in the end! ❤
The content shown in this vid makes me despair, the comment section gives me hope, but then I didn't go sifting through the toxic sludge at the bottom.
I was an incel until about the age of 25, after which I started hanging out with women... I found female friends, spent a lot of time talking to female colleagues and suddenly I didn't feel like I "needed" a woman anymore. Then I met a girl and had a passionate but toxic relationship for two years. I've been single and celibate for two years since then but honestly I prefer it that way. I know someone will eventually come along who'll love me for who I am rather than the person my ex tried to force me to be. I'm autistic and used to be very, very socially awkward. If someone like me can pull through, I think anyone can. Never give up.
The older I get, the more this fantasy of dating or sex just seems exhausting, especially if you're autistic. I can have a whole day ruined by a pair of uncomfortable shoes! I don't need to spend my life figuring out if I'm acting exactly the right way to hold the interest of a hypothetical hot girl.
the weird part about all of this is that many of the men that have fallen into the manisphere are actually perfectly dateable but like the misogyny the videos offer.. there are many happily married men watching this shit and they just see their wives as “one of the good ones” and still hate on the feminist leftist women that complain and want rights and equality.
@@Nassifeh For me there are no "hypothetical" hot girls anymore, I try not to waste my energy on fantasies and improving my outward image. Instead, I've worked hard on things like appropriate eye contact and studying body language. Anything that improves your social skills as whole will also help with dating.
@@ratslayer4202 Oh, communication and so on is absolutely vital, I guess my bigger point is just that if you're (generic you) "weird", you can spin your wheels forever trying to be this kind of guy and hating it, or you can just go be weird and learn how to fit in with other weird people and it goes better. I'm in a very happy relationship now, but I wish I'd figured that all out before my late 30s. I think you personally are on the right track and you'll do fine!
Hell yeah ratslayer 420, slayed the rat inside
"look for girls that have qualities that make them coachable" is why they promote the idea of dating 18-25 year old women, because they are more coachable than late 20s and 30s year olds
@@elitecoder955 you're just admitting your own shortcomings that you only care about looks because you aren't able to hold an intelligent conversation
@@elitecoder955 way to divert the attention away from your own shortcomings
@@elitecoder955 Ranjeet mate you'll never be a Brahman, stick to making naan and fixing the WiFi
@@benjaamin ok incel
@@elitecoder955 Good morning ser, the printer is broken also, is it you or Rakesh that fixes it? Do the needful.
Whenever I hear these incels talk, it makes me feel so sad and dirty. The whole rating the opposite gender, this fear of “better” guys “hogging” all the “better” girls. It’s like they’re stuck at the emotional development level of 6th graders from the 1950s. Not putting down any 6th graders - it just seems formed in a vacuum, or an echo chamber. I hate how hurt they are, but I really hate how hurtful they are.
Im glad to have recently found this channel. So much long form content to watch 👌