I’ve always supported Tua and will still root for him. That being said, I can no longer defend this guy against his haters because he is proven to be just an average quarterback in the league.
I'm not sold on Tua either though I still think Miami is floundering to give him a good healthy OL and a proper offensive scheme. I think McD has complicated this offense too much without offering the OL support any QB would need to run this offense. I don't think Allen, Mahomes, Hurts... would be much better than Tua with this line in front of him. If Tua had a dominant line like he did to start 2023 (before the injury collapse of the line), I believe we could beat some of the better teams. I like a lot of who Grier has brought into the team but we are going nowhere without a punishing dominant line and he should know that. So should McD. Personally I think we need to invest heavily on OL. We got the weapons already in Hill, Waddle, Jonnu Smith, Achane and Mostert. Give Tua the time he needs and I think he will do better. This MUST get done next year. I don't want to see Eichenberg or that RT today on our team next year. Robert Jones better have a helluva a camp next year if he wants a reserve role. Wynn is probably already retired in perhaps just doesn't know it yet. So basically, we are looking at three starting spots that MUST be filled next year by outside players / draftees. And then we have to keep them healthy. This is another knock I have on the McD era. If McD and Grier cannot or will not make OL priority #1 for next year then it is time to make room for a duo that can and will! And if we do that, then we will have the final judgment on Tua.
Tua is turning into a screen passing dink and dunk QB. A majority of his passes are screen passes and throws underneath in the middle of the field. This style of spot throwing is exactly what leads to Tua throwing 3 INT's against a good defense. Good defense's just sit a spy in the middle and pick off his spots. I think teams have figured out that Tua can't read defense's on the fly. If teams can read his spot throwing that's really what puts Tua out of his element because he doesn't have a counter for it other than throwing screens.
@@ThePerfectSeason1972 Nobody blame's the OL when they win against bum teams and Tua throws for over 250+ yards. So, don't blame the OL when they play against a good team and the offense can't do anything because Tua is playing like trash. If Tua can't overcome the pressure that good teams get on him then he's not a good franchise QB. He's consistently shown that he can't play well in the second half of the season against good teams. It's a problem.
Fair take on Tua. He was not good. Not all his turnovers were purely on him. I wish it turned out differently. I wonder what the narrative would've been if Tyreek was able to hold onto the ball and the Fins marched down the field to tie up the game in the end like the Jets game? Ah well, no point playing this what-if game.. What I've learned over the last few seasons is just to enjoy watching the Fins but don't let it take over my life too much :')
I've never been sold on Tua but we are stuck contractually with him for at least a year or two. We need an OLine as the top priority but with Grier that is unlikely.
The reality we have is nothing changes in front office and I doubt McDaniel will be fired so next year we will still have no OL or DL that will be good enough. The deficiencies will not be filled properly still will have old broken players. Team will be 8-9 or 9-8 next year. Maybe after 2025 Grier will be finally let go but until he is gone we can just expect a medium team with little chance of winning playoff games and barely make it in each year.
Grier has to bring in a dominant punishing OL. Right now the only guy I'm sold on who can play that way from our OL is Austin Jackson. Brewer might be able to run middle with better guys beside him. Liam Eichenberg cannot be on this roster next year. He cannot win against better defenses even in a reserve role much less a starting role. Robert Jones can compete for a backup job as he has had flashes of competence against decent defensive fronts. Armstead and Lamm will be gone. I think Wynn is already gone whether he knows it or not. So that's at least three starting spots that have to be filled. McD for his part has to simplify the offense. This should not be a problem if a dominant OL is put in place. I think there is too much put on Tua and the WRs to hook up on fancy option routes. Just run the ball and send the speedsters deep a lot more often and bomb it to them! Good things will happen. Instead we have a dink and dunk offense supported by a lousy line. Who the hell runs an offense where 25% of passing all year is thrown (forward) to receivers behind the LOS??? If Grier and McD cannot or will not make those changes for next year then they have to go and new guys who can do those things need to come in and get it done quickly!
Play calling and blocking have a great deal to do with Tuas success. In my opinion. We’re not very good at player evaluation it seems. I think you said basically it’s time to change the GM… Thing is Grier and Mike are attached and Mike and Tua are extremely attached. I don’t see any changes there until it’s all 3 You and I are attached KC. We’re in this 💩 together for better or worse. Thank you
I've often thought of that. Had the league been drawn up with all those AFC south teams present, I'm sure the league would have followed the geography and made that swap. Of course only the Houston Oilers were around when the 1970 merger took place and they were put in the old AFC central division. I don't think such a swap would work due to the intense rivalries that have built up between Miami and the Jets, Bills and Patriots. I'm not sure how the other three AFC east teams rival each other besides the Bills and Jets being charged up but Miami's rival games are super charged and have been that way for as long as I go back with the team (1981). Losing the two Jets and Bills games every year would be a huge loss in historically built up rivalries that never could get replaced within a new division for many many years. For me the thought of NOT having to hate the Jets twice a year is utterly depressing!
I'm not gonna jump on Tua. This goes back to roster construction and organizational decision making. I don't understand how we can decide to pay a small, unathletic, fragile qb with an average arm without even trying to build a wall to protect him, and committing to a more balanced style of offense. This franchise needs to either change philosophies and build a more complete roster, or they need to start swinging until they find a game changer at qb who can make up for the team's deficiencies. If there isn't major changes to the identity of this team, and the gimmicky offense, they might as well fire McDaniel. Start getting ahead of the old roster and ballooning salary cap hits that are coming. Trade away players, take your cap lumps and get as many picks as you can. We can find good, young players in the mid to later rounds. They just need to see the field.
This Loss is Absolutely Tua"s Fault He is A Choke artist when against winning teams and cold weather games. Time to get rid of Tua, McDaniels and Grier lets Clean house and start over!!!!!
This team is not well coached 4 holding penalties today. Four turnovers McDaniel does not want to coach the team he just wants to call plays not good enough.
If Grier continues as our GM then expect similar results next year, if Ross wants to give some hope he should fire Grier and let the new GM decide who stays
One problem is that the other teams in our division are built for colder weather because of where they are located. This style doesn't translate to colder weather.
Tua needs a lion oline type of line to be successful. He’s not good enough to be a game changer. He’s not terrible but he’s not Super Bowl caliber unless he’s surrounded by Super Bowl talent.
@@jueyjuice7265 I think this is pretty fair. He’s a good quarterback. He’s not a transcendent quarterback…that’s okay. Only a few guys are. But the philosophy used to bring this offense up to the 21st century has been maxed out and needs adjusting…particularly in how they build the roster
Let’s get to the other real issue here, we have zero run game, Achane is more of a WR than a every down back and in cold weather or grind it out games we don’t have than, Jalen wright should of been fed more to make him that in between the tackles guy, and Chris brooks would be really nice right about now!!!
This is the game that we knew was coming, deep down we all knew it. Know this we weren’t beaten this game we threw up 🤮 on the field this performance. We played undisciplined, uninspired, sloppy and again Tua tried to do too much in too many plays. The Oline was a disaster and why not? 3rd stringer at RT, 2nd string at G. And LT and it showed. The defense played hard. McDaniel is a big part of the problem as is GM. I don’t like this style of play Sam I am , I do not like it at all. Bring back hardnosed, ground pounding smash mouth football 4 yards to 5 every run. SMH. We’re a mess, BUT I think we can address the trenches in one off season. Idk guys idk anymore.
Offensive Line is the Foundation on which you build your house. Bad Foundation and the house will fall apart. History lesson, Washington Redskins won a few Super Bowls with arguably garbage QBs. Joe Theisman, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams, they had the Hogs and all day long to read the field and throw and ground out yards rushing the ball. I knew the season was over when i saw Tua not getting protection and oh our ground game yards were down. But will Mike and the GM figure this out, probably not. Sorry Phin fans we have to wait again for next season.
Pondexter ha to go period!! He's not a head coach. And Greir can go with him. 3 years of this crap has to end. This is so frustrating when they play good teams. If guys run the wrong routes then it's a Disapline problem. And on top of it all this coach gets a raise and he didn't win anything.
The Tua Excuse Machine Again Smh..... He Played Really Bad, Period ‼️ He's The King Of Bad Teams/Shrinks When The Competition Is Real 💋🏈 It's Weak, Blaming Tyreek, When Your Screen Passing QB, Kept, Giving Away The Ball..... So Dolphins 💋🏈
Coaches😮Tua should been pulled half 3rd quarter and coached😮Huntley has been in Miami awhile😮Wouldn't have hurt 2nd and 3rd down on pass plays😮Huntley legs and play😮Probably money and media huh😮I still would of tried Huntley😮
Trash analysis. Offensive line play, or QB play? Which was worse? Can you have a strong offensive line when we put so much money elsewhere? And please say Tua is not it, he and McDaniel both. We were still in it until the interceptions started coming.
Ahh Jon Gruden HC, Brian Dabol OC, can keep Weaver as DC. GM Kyle ??? I wanted Justin Herbert, screaming for J Jefferson, pounding table for Winfield, begging for Is Jonathan Taylor. Got not one of them, Turn the TV off through the remote control into the wall, We're it stayed for to days. That means said I think Tua would be better without McDaniel's 🤓
Deep down didn't we all really know this was how it was going to turn out.
We have a good backup qb. Not our problem. His name is Tua.
Not at that salary. That contract is a disaster. Grier and company have no business ever working for another nfl franchise. What a joke.
@danlopez.3592 They now have a $53 million bridge qb. Cause by the time they build a roster, (if ever) Tua will be on his way out.
Tua is a horrible backup QB. That means you have to carry a 3rd string competent QB on the roster
Tua is not a franchise QB. They should have never signed him to the extension just let him play on the 5th year option.
Another Grier mistake.
I’ve always supported Tua and will still root for him. That being said, I can no longer defend this guy against his haters because he is proven to be just an average quarterback in the league.
I'm not sold on Tua either though I still think Miami is floundering to give him a good healthy OL and a proper offensive scheme. I think McD has complicated this offense too much without offering the OL support any QB would need to run this offense. I don't think Allen, Mahomes, Hurts... would be much better than Tua with this line in front of him.
If Tua had a dominant line like he did to start 2023 (before the injury collapse of the line), I believe we could beat some of the better teams. I like a lot of who Grier has brought into the team but we are going nowhere without a punishing dominant line and he should know that. So should McD. Personally I think we need to invest heavily on OL. We got the weapons already in Hill, Waddle, Jonnu Smith, Achane and Mostert. Give Tua the time he needs and I think he will do better. This MUST get done next year. I don't want to see Eichenberg or that RT today on our team next year. Robert Jones better have a helluva a camp next year if he wants a reserve role. Wynn is probably already retired in perhaps just doesn't know it yet. So basically, we are looking at three starting spots that MUST be filled next year by outside players / draftees. And then we have to keep them healthy. This is another knock I have on the McD era.
If McD and Grier cannot or will not make OL priority #1 for next year then it is time to make room for a duo that can and will! And if we do that, then we will have the final judgment on Tua.
The Dolphins will never be more than a middle of the pack team at best, no heart.
Tua is turning into a screen passing dink and dunk QB. A majority of his passes are screen passes and throws underneath in the middle of the field. This style of spot throwing is exactly what leads to Tua throwing 3 INT's against a good defense. Good defense's just sit a spy in the middle and pick off his spots. I think teams have figured out that Tua can't read defense's on the fly. If teams can read his spot throwing that's really what puts Tua out of his element because he doesn't have a counter for it other than throwing screens.
@@JustinSteereMusic it's a college offense. No toughness. It's what you get with DJ magic Mike.
There’s no OL, we can’t run and there’s no time to throw, and then the injuries? I mean where do we begin?
Houston defense played tough, no time to throw. Way too many injuries.
@@ThePerfectSeason1972 Nobody blame's the OL when they win against bum teams and Tua throws for over 250+ yards. So, don't blame the OL when they play against a good team and the offense can't do anything because Tua is playing like trash. If Tua can't overcome the pressure that good teams get on him then he's not a good franchise QB. He's consistently shown that he can't play well in the second half of the season against good teams. It's a problem.
@@mikegray7850 and the excuses from other fans are exhausting. People need to wake up and understand that this isn't Alabama and it never will be.
Maybe Tua should let one of us fans eating potato chips on the couch have a try. 🤣
Fair take on Tua. He was not good. Not all his turnovers were purely on him. I wish it turned out differently. I wonder what the narrative would've been if Tyreek was able to hold onto the ball and the Fins marched down the field to tie up the game in the end like the Jets game? Ah well, no point playing this what-if game.. What I've learned over the last few seasons is just to enjoy watching the Fins but don't let it take over my life too much :')
I've never been sold on Tua but we are stuck contractually with him for at least a year or two. We need an OLine as the top priority but with Grier that is unlikely.
The reality we have is nothing changes in front office and I doubt McDaniel will be fired so next year we will still have no OL or DL that will be good enough. The deficiencies will not be filled properly still will have old broken players. Team will be 8-9 or 9-8 next year. Maybe after 2025 Grier will be finally let go but until he is gone we can just expect a medium team with little chance of winning playoff games and barely make it in each year.
Grier has to bring in a dominant punishing OL. Right now the only guy I'm sold on who can play that way from our OL is Austin Jackson. Brewer might be able to run middle with better guys beside him. Liam Eichenberg cannot be on this roster next year. He cannot win against better defenses even in a reserve role much less a starting role. Robert Jones can compete for a backup job as he has had flashes of competence against decent defensive fronts. Armstead and Lamm will be gone. I think Wynn is already gone whether he knows it or not. So that's at least three starting spots that have to be filled.
McD for his part has to simplify the offense. This should not be a problem if a dominant OL is put in place. I think there is too much put on Tua and the WRs to hook up on fancy option routes. Just run the ball and send the speedsters deep a lot more often and bomb it to them! Good things will happen. Instead we have a dink and dunk offense supported by a lousy line. Who the hell runs an offense where 25% of passing all year is thrown (forward) to receivers behind the LOS???
If Grier and McD cannot or will not make those changes for next year then they have to go and new guys who can do those things need to come in and get it done quickly!
Play calling and blocking have a great deal to do with Tuas success. In my opinion. We’re not very good at player evaluation it seems. I think you said basically it’s time to change the GM… Thing is Grier and Mike are attached and Mike and Tua are extremely attached. I don’t see any changes there until it’s all 3
You and I are attached KC. We’re in this 💩 together for better or worse. Thank you
Your hair looks great
Ace Ventura
Terrific podcast with spot on analysis.
McDaniel and Grier need to go now
Eoy. Imo
They should put us in afc south, swap us with colts
Makes sense actually
I've often thought of that. Had the league been drawn up with all those AFC south teams present, I'm sure the league would have followed the geography and made that swap. Of course only the Houston Oilers were around when the 1970 merger took place and they were put in the old AFC central division.
I don't think such a swap would work due to the intense rivalries that have built up between Miami and the Jets, Bills and Patriots. I'm not sure how the other three AFC east teams rival each other besides the Bills and Jets being charged up but Miami's rival games are super charged and have been that way for as long as I go back with the team (1981). Losing the two Jets and Bills games every year would be a huge loss in historically built up rivalries that never could get replaced within a new division for many many years. For me the thought of NOT having to hate the Jets twice a year is utterly depressing!
This was a joke, we had the chance to move to the south instead of the colts, but the owner at the time didn't want to throw away those rivalries
Makes perfect sense for Tampa who is in NFC south
I'm not gonna jump on Tua. This goes back to roster construction and organizational decision making. I don't understand how we can decide to pay a small, unathletic, fragile qb with an average arm without even trying to build a wall to protect him, and committing to a more balanced style of offense. This franchise needs to either change philosophies and build a more complete roster, or they need to start swinging until they find a game changer at qb who can make up for the team's deficiencies. If there isn't major changes to the identity of this team, and the gimmicky offense, they might as well fire McDaniel. Start getting ahead of the old roster and ballooning salary cap hits that are coming. Trade away players, take your cap lumps and get as many picks as you can. We can find good, young players in the mid to later rounds. They just need to see the field.
Not gonna jump on the guy They're Overpaying???? Smh😂😂😂😂
This Loss is Absolutely Tua"s Fault He is A Choke artist when against winning teams and cold weather games. Time to get rid of Tua, McDaniels and Grier lets Clean house and start over!!!!!
The Miami Dolphins will never win a championship with Tua at quarterback
Fundamentally Flawed is perfect!
Can we all now admit that we need to move away from Tua, Hill, Chubb, Terron?
Grier!
All of them gone. Cut bait
Well keep tua for now. You have too. Other guys old and expensive . 2 injured all the time
This team is not well coached 4 holding penalties today. Four turnovers McDaniel does not want to coach the team he just wants to call plays not good enough.
Crossman is terrible fake punt not prepared.
All I want for Christmas is a new GM....and an offensive line.
If Grier continues as our GM then expect similar results next year, if Ross wants to give some hope he should fire Grier and let the new GM decide who stays
One problem is that the other teams in our division are built for colder weather because of where they are located. This style doesn't translate to colder weather.
Today wasn't cold weather. This team is a bunch of cupcakes who get easily pushed around and bullied
Whatever dude.....
@@Ballaholic17yeah it was in a dome and it’s like 80 degrees here. 😂
Clean house
Tua needs a lion oline type of line to be successful. He’s not good enough to be a game changer. He’s not terrible but he’s not Super Bowl caliber unless he’s surrounded by Super Bowl talent.
@@jueyjuice7265 I think this is pretty fair. He’s a good quarterback. He’s not a transcendent quarterback…that’s okay. Only a few guys are. But the philosophy used to bring this offense up to the 21st century has been maxed out and needs adjusting…particularly in how they build the roster
Let’s get to the other real issue here, we have zero run game, Achane is more of a WR than a every down back and in cold weather or grind it out games we don’t have than, Jalen wright should of been fed more to make him that in between the tackles guy, and Chris brooks would be really nice right about now!!!
Go Texans 🤘🏾🤘🏾🤘🏾
T. Hill is not the sharpest knife in the drawer
Game was over when waddle went down.finsup
This is the game that we knew was coming, deep down we all knew it. Know this we weren’t beaten this game we threw up 🤮 on the field this performance. We played undisciplined, uninspired, sloppy and again Tua tried to do too much in too many plays. The Oline was a disaster and why not? 3rd stringer at RT, 2nd string at G. And LT and it showed. The defense played hard. McDaniel is a big part of the problem as is GM. I don’t like this style of play Sam I am , I do not like it at all. Bring back hardnosed, ground pounding smash mouth football 4 yards to 5 every run. SMH. We’re a mess, BUT I think we can address the trenches in one off season. Idk guys idk anymore.
Offensive Line is the Foundation on which you build your house. Bad Foundation and the house will fall apart. History lesson, Washington Redskins won a few Super Bowls with arguably garbage QBs. Joe Theisman, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams, they had the Hogs and all day long to read the field and throw and ground out yards rushing the ball. I knew the season was over when i saw Tua not getting protection and oh our ground game yards were down. But will Mike and the GM figure this out, probably not. Sorry Phin fans we have to wait again for next season.
Pondexter ha to go period!! He's not a head coach. And Greir can go with him. 3 years of this crap has to end. This is so frustrating when they play good teams. If guys run the wrong routes then it's a Disapline problem. And on top of it all this coach gets a raise and he didn't win anything.
Tyreek has to go...something is off with him and I think he wants out.
Stuck with Tua, to big of a dead cap hit.
Fire Grier and get more phsyical players in the offseason. Get Eichenburg the hell away from me too.
The Miami Herky-Jerkies eh
The owner has to do something. This team doesn’t work. This team is overrated. Changes need to be made. Same old dolphins.
Flores: Tua 🗑️😂
Ahh #45😂
The Tua Excuse Machine Again Smh..... He Played Really Bad, Period ‼️ He's The King Of Bad Teams/Shrinks When The Competition Is Real 💋🏈 It's Weak, Blaming Tyreek, When Your Screen Passing QB, Kept, Giving Away The Ball..... So Dolphins 💋🏈
Coaches😮Tua should been pulled half 3rd quarter and coached😮Huntley has been in Miami awhile😮Wouldn't have hurt 2nd and 3rd down on pass plays😮Huntley legs and play😮Probably money and media huh😮I still would of tried Huntley😮
Come on don’t buy the party line. PeeWee needs to be fired tomorrow with Grier. They are killing us. Enough, how much misery can we take?
Trash analysis. Offensive line play, or QB play? Which was worse? Can you have a strong offensive line when we put so much money elsewhere? And please say Tua is not it, he and McDaniel both. We were still in it until the interceptions started coming.
Ahh Jon Gruden HC, Brian Dabol OC, can keep Weaver as DC. GM Kyle ??? I wanted Justin Herbert, screaming for J Jefferson, pounding table for Winfield, begging for Is Jonathan Taylor. Got not one of them, Turn the TV off through the remote control into the wall, We're it stayed for to days. That means said I think Tua would be better without McDaniel's 🤓
Never win with Tua