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Round 4 of the Risk World Championships! S01 2023
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i was blue in the game.... if i let u have the other plus 4 u would have ran over me so it would have resulted in me giving u the game which of course i was not going to do that... that being said i broke u twice and only hit a 1 each time and u hit my 10 and i was trying rlly rlly hard not to end my game, one thing this video does not show is me adding troops to my exterior position EVERY SINGLE TURN basically which was a HUGE misplay on your part and would have changed your view of this game through out knowing i had another 50 troops.... u had 150 troops after u lost your 44 stack...u didn't have to go out swinging" black backed away from purple after losing a bigger % of his troops 10 turns b4 and put himself in a position to win... i was very disappointed u ruined my tourney but i understand u thought i was weaker then i was as well...
I noticed you didn't practice these settings on the discord.
I'm going to release the full video and you can see my unedited thoughts if you care to.
There was a world where we didn't ruin each others tournaments but of course there's no way to communicate. I would encourage you to consider the merits of good neighbour theory and how they could have applied to us that game.
As disappointed as you may be I can say that I had more to lose so I share the exact same sentiment.
I like your moves, to be honest.
Your moves are *rational and logical*, making sure not much threat from the front and behind.
However, your rationale may underestimate another player's *emotional* aspect. I can feel your aggressiveness in those moves. That's what I've usually done in a bad way & often encountered suicide by others in the game.🥲
Nevertheless, both of you played a good game, and I would probably die earlier than both of you if I were in the same game.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy i practiced at least 10 games, thats how i know and u know u would have easily won the game if u got the 2nd bonus round 4 and a trading zone with miles...and i would have been first to go is what i thought at the time(i didnt know purple was so weak at the start) my best play would have been to take his bonus and friend u) but i didnt know how weak he was...
@@adammarkland at the start of watching this video I was like screw that guy blue is being a dick. But I totally understand the reason you made those moves and ultimately you were trying to win the game as much as Pete was and you couldn’t let him get that strong that early. {And now don’t think you’re a dick :) }
I think the challenge was that Pete lost large stacks early on and was desperately trying to recover the whole game, he got to a position where he was starting to feel more comfortable and you took out 20-25% of his troops.
I know if that happened to me I’d suicide into them in a heartbeat out of pure frustration of being so close then it being taken away. It’s 100% the emotional aspect of the game that killed it for you.
GG’s to both of you. It was good to watch.
@@adammarkland think you played a great game up until slidering his stack to allow the zombies in. I understand your idea but to think he wasn’t going to hit you hard in response was an oversight.
What a great endgame by Pedro, coming back from 1 troop to beating the zombies on fixed. Super impressive! I'm glad he got it in the end after all that hard work.
Can you imagine Pedro yelling at his partner. "Brew another pot of coffee!!!!"
Same, mad props to Pink's dedication. When he left the zombies open to come back I swear my heart stopped (1:03:00 in the video). Could someone who understands zombies tell me whether he was in real danger there? I know almost literally nothing about the player and I still would've been devastated to see that work go to waste. I hope those 2 points carry Pedro all the way to the top.
@@Smithers888 Well, I think it's safe to say he didn't risk losing the game to the zombies, with such great technique he will inevitably win unless he blunders big time. But I feared he would have to start the endgame all over again building back from a 2 territory bonus, which would mean a couple of hours more.
The two hardest earned points in the tournament for sure.
I realy appreciate the edits, but there's also something charming about the raw gameplay with no background music.
agreed, the edits are nice but the very short ones are sometimes a bit disturbing
I think the only thing I would suggest tweaking regarding the edit is just slightly lower volume on the background beats. Other than that I love it, love the channel Pete!
I wanted to comment on this because I’ve had some people make recommendations to me as well. This is someone’s art. I feel it would be rude to go to Picasso and tell him he should do his art like Leonardo. I know the intention is good but creating content and the time spent on it so people could watch for free should just be a “thank you” and not overstepping as a viewer by telling others how to make their art. I mean this with love because you probably don’t realize what it takes to make content and that it’s strange to tell others how to create it.
Agreed, the cuts are well done. However; there is a loss of the 'feel' of the game by not seeing the delay in choices, the other players taking time on certain portions of their turn, all that goes into the atmosphere and ties the emotional to the logical for me.
I agree, the raw videos are better. I wouldn’t do this zooming in thing that all the other streamers do. It’s a bit forced humour. Just my opinion, I’m sure people disagree, but one thing I liked about this channel is the lack of the mainstream editing practices.
Also, I agree, I like the pauses between action. It builds tension.
Good Game Pete! I hope we can play again soon with perhaps more "active" settings. I was very curious to see your perspective on this one. I appreciate the kind words you gave me in your video, it means a lot. I could definitely agree with the idea to not need to kill the zombies entirely to this extent. It was an oddly fun puzzle to solve but also almost 4 hours of zombies was a bit much ;' )
If you would be so interested, I did post my perspective I am always open to feedback!
It was cool to see that you had the ability to beat the zombies over such a long period of time and the willingness to do so.
If I could go back in time and do anything differently this game I would have spawned next to you instead ;)
GG's man and I wish you much success in the later rounds.
Odd request for Pete - can you still play the rest of tournament round settings in some of your uploads. I’d love to see how you would’ve approached them.
I will. I generally do that even if I'm knocked out. You can get my thoughts on them.
Your placing in this round is unfortunate, but I’m happy you took the time to explain your motives and took the effort to snuff out the inevitable fan outrage from your result. Cheers to the next tournament!
Pete, I really respect and admire your sportsmanship and mutual respect or common decency you have for the Blue Player. it takes a great deal of emotional intelligence or wisdom to hold your frustrations on the game outcome, and recognise win or lose, this is how the game works. Once again, Pete, respect!
I think blue played a really good game and letting Pete have the second bonus whilst he was stuck with a small bonus would've let Pete run away with it. However, blitzing the stack and letting the zombies in was detrimental to Petes game and I can understand why Blue might have been salty because i think most players would have not retaliated but instead scrambled to reconstitute. That being said, Pete has been outspoken that he will not be bullied and I think most will agree that move left Pete in a losing position so suiciding at least kept up his reputation to discourage similar aggressive behaviour towards him in the future. He wasn't throwing a tantrum and taking blue down with him, he was accepting that he was put in a losing position and taking the chance at taking blue bounty whilst also echoing that there are consequences to playing aggressively against him.
I think it is also worth saying (with hindsight) Pete was maybe too aggressive trying to get a second bonus and if he had of tried to build a second position and just build his bonus defence, blue may have been less likely to target him to prevent him taking the whole game.
Why did the blue player allow Magenta to have such a large bonus then? I’m just curious how that fits into your theory! Btw I absolutely agree with everything you said! Great comment
Fully agree with everything you said here, I wonder what the game would have been like if that 8 portal had been defended with just 1 or 2 more troops.
> i think most players would have not retaliated but instead scrambled to reconstitute.
Which would technically be the best play for this game. Who knows, maybe he could've survived to 5th place. Still not going to advance in this tournament. But this play isn't about points; it's about sending a message.
Pete's playing the iterated prisoner's dilemma. The best play long term is not the best play in this game, it's the play that says "you play ball with me and I'll play ball with you, but if you bring me down then I will make sure you come with."
@@ce5779OP was 100% correct here IMO. Seeing the game from Blue's perspective Pete was asking them to start a war of attrition w/ Purple for the *privilege* of getting 2 fewer troops per turn than Pete w/ only 1 less border OR to sit tight vs Pete's unguarded border while Pete got 5 more troops than him. While that kind of good neighbor approach can be very savvy in Prog, Caps & is also seen in non-Fog Fixed tourney games when there are ample bonuses that is a recipe for losing in a Fixed-Fog-Zombies game when Blue doesn’t have another bonus to expand into for parity.
Blue likely didn’t attack Magenta bc they presumably had strong guards in each position due to the Zombies & Blue had already broken Pete's bonus so breaking a 2nd opponent would put you at risk of getting double teamed. It was certainly worth trying to get the 2nd bonus especially w/ the tax that comes from being 1st to act after the Zombies but once Blue made it clear they wouldn’t let Pete have it unguarded it feels like you have to be opportunistic there & only take it if good card luck let’s you defend. Blue's slider attack to let the Zombies in was a no win move for either side but besides that I can’t see any other way for them to play it w/o handing the game to Pete in a manner that doesn’t even ensure they get 2nd so it felt like a good game that obv isn’t going to leave either side happy but such is life in tourney games especially w/ settings like Fixed-Zombies that add even more RNG than usual 🤷♂️ GGWP to all, especially Pedro for finishing that marathon!
I appreciate the work that went into editing this, but the cuts, zoom ins and music overlay really take away what I love about your videos.
These are hour long videos. The ticktock editing style really doesn’t fit this format. People who watch a risk game for an hour just want the gameplay, your thoughts and your reactions. You don’t need the distractions to keep our attention. In fact the opposite is true. They are just an obnoxious layer of interference between us viewers and the real content we enjoy.
Otherwise, keep up the good work Pete!
Yes, exactly. This was very offputting
Agree, prefer saving the editing for instances like the very end where it was just watching one guy grind.
I didn't mind the music tho, think if it were just a touch quieter it would be nice for moments of downtime where Pete is thinking (or getting coffee/doing pushups) instead of talking to the camera.
WOW pedro played that for SO LONG for those 2 points. what a broken round this was!
Haha yea, I had an idea that a game might go that long, it was rough either way but worth it in the end!
I'm really glad he got it in the end
Hey Pete, sorry to see your tournament end! Here's one of my favorite quotes that I think serves your post game analysis well here. "No enemy has ever wronged me, nor friend served me, that I have not repaid, in full" -Sulla's epitaph
Ooh, I like that quote!
Bro the music is really bad. I feel like I’ve been on hold with a customer service rep for an hour and it’s off putting. Just some friendly feedback
Maybe cut the music Pete.
I thought the music was good
I liked it
@@ashtongrimmett2456 it’s the same copyright free music looped for an hour. It just sounded very annoying to me (granted I do have a mental disability but come on)
Prefer your videos without music
Me too 😅
100%- would much rather listen to my own music rather than the royalty free chill hop tunes. No issue with Pete trying something new but I can definitely do without it.
Same usually, made sense for the last 2/3 of this one though.
Music during the intro and player introductions is good though
Same here, love that you try new things, but the music and editing annoys me a bit. Still love your work though
Pete, love the content but could cut back on the edits, the music isn’t necessary and the edits kinda detract from you. Lots of us watch because we like you and your personality, we are here for you, not the edits. Keep up the work, love ya Pete.
Was about to comment the same thing, simple is better. I like the channel for Pete, not the editing.
I want to whole-heartedly disagree. I think it’s really smart that you’re upping the production quality, and really considerate to cut out the boring waiting in long stalemates. People who say otherwise just don’t take well to change.
i think the edits are so cool ngl
@@SpencerTwiddyI think the target audience for the Pete channel are people that dislike change. The thing is you have to appease the people that watch your channel.
I like the edits. Some were a miss for me but overall I liked them. The music seemed like the best part to me tbh. Also you’re crazy if you really wanna watch a 5+ hour unedited game
I'm assuming we were testing out music but if felt like I was on hold with my water company the whole time.. or stuck in the elevator at my office building
I just wacthed through all 3 seasons of 2022 and am currently going through s1 of 2023, and I just wanna say you are the coolest most down to earth guy I've seen in a while on UA-cam
Ooh this is a rough vid for that sentiment but thank you. I try my best
Looked like the Blue player wanted Pete to lose more than he wanted to win. Why did he even slider blitz to allow the zombies to break Pete and then expect no retaliation?
You know what Pete. I'm proud of your decision. It reminds me of the Risk Legends Tournament where you were disappointed that you let yourself get bullied and got knocked out. This time, you took them down with you. Hell yeah!
In an ocean of gaming channels this one has a true captain. You Pete, are relatable. We can all relate with your emotions, when you win or lose. You are never aloof or hide your emotions or intentions from your viewership. You ALSO are a good sportsman, following the olympic ideals and virtues to a tee! You are graceful in defeat, add a very insightful analysis, then anticipate the outrage and demand your viewers to adhere to fair play principles and good behaviour. Bravo Pete! Once more you distinguish yourself from most other gaming channels in a very positive way.
You might not win this tournament, but to me you have proven yourself a Champion nonetheless.
Ahoy! Onwards
Just trying to give constructive feedback, the edits that zoom in on your for short bursts are really distracting. For a game where the viewers attention is normally on the board, having my attention forced away and then back is very distracting, and I kept wondering if anything changed when coming back.
I agree and disagree. It was funny and a nice touch to change it up a bit. However, they could be much shorter, that would help. Just a quick flash of his reactions.
Pete - I've been lurking since Summer of 2022 and especially enjoy your tournament play vids. Just want to say, I really appreciate your sportsmanship. You and Blue both played great, I loved your breakdown towards the end of the vid and hearing the disparity between your play styles. Keep up the great content!
GG Good run in the tournament Pete, looking forward to next season. I completely agree with you slamming blue, i would have done the same. Breaking your 2nd bonus i could live with but the slider blitz on your guard stack to let the zombies in set you up to be killed with no where to go, so that leaves one option make sure the guy who ended your game also loses.
Hey pete love the editing on this video. However, the music is distracting to the content. Keep up the good work!
agree
Maybe it’s because I’m used to no editing from Pete, but it felt like the editing was WAY too heavy. Needless animations, zoom ins, etc. just doesn’t really feel like risk or Pete to me. It’s nice to see editing but I think it needs to be toned down a bit. But just my humble opinion, nothing against Pete or the editor
Just finished watching the whole video and really appreciated a lot of the comments towards the end, got me thinking on a deeper level about the strategy and how the psychological element can often override the game theory side. I got a lot of value out of this so thanks.
That's what I'm all about here my friend
Like many others have said, my partner began watching you with me and had no prior understanding of Risk beforehand. We decided before round 1 that we would watch together, and these tourney games have become a bonding experience for us because it's something so new.
You comported yourself very well... although being a passionate guy myself, I think I can imagine the pain and frustration. Still, thank you for putting yourself you there for all of us. I know it's a new and challenging thing for you too, but you have shown that you've got the right stuff to not only excel, but to also make entertaining and inclusive television for a wide audience.
You've built up a lot and I hope you feel proud for what your accomplished these last few years.
I'm super proud man! It's such a blessing that so many people enjoy my work. It's nice to hear you guys are bonding over it.
Good on Pedro for sticking that out even when he underestimated it at the end he stuck in there. Not sure I would have lol. I won't say anything else out of respect for your request. GG's man much love
Lets just say I did a nice workout for the last 4 hours ; )
constructive criticism: i appreciate the increase in editing but i think that absence of music makes your videos more enjoyable but i do like the subtle green screen images. keep it up man
Something my dad told me a long time ago when I was playing little league sports and I got upset that the play failed or that my team lost: The other guy/team is trying to win just as much as you and they are doing what they need to do win. If they made a great play or stopped you from making a good play, that is all part of the game. Does it feel good? No, not to you. But they are happy they suceeded. Rather than be angry, try to be happy they did something great and remember that this is a game.
This is maybe the hardest thing to do as a human, in retrospect though this would be great if everyone could think this way.
Yeah exactly. He wants to win as much as I did. We just happened to be operating from opposite incompatible paradigms so we killed eachother. This is extremely common in risk when we encounter players who are at different points in their learning journey from ourselves.
Halfway through and I gotta say, this is some really nice editing, Pete! You definitely have a talent for it. I hope this isn’t the end of the shorter unedited games, but you really turned this 5 hour game into something incredibly entertaining!
Lol that entrance
i know it was so fun!
You could have abandoned the first bonus in exchange for the second, then trade with Purple forever, have no stack at all on Blue's border, and control a portal.
I just have a sneaking suspicion that blue would have continued to fuck with me in that position as well, and it's a worse bonus.
Retaliatory Suicide is a fair aspect of a social game; you have to win without having the other guy take you down with you. Needs some diplomacy.
For some reason I imagine Drew dragging and dropping you around in the intro 😂 Cool addition!
I had to watch it twice as I thought he legit popped up from under his desk 🤣
Not a fan of the editing and music tbh, takes away from the chill vibes and can even be a bit immature (not that Pete is always the most mature lol). Appreciate y’all are trying to change things up though.
Pete I was filled with rage seeing the blue player continuously target you, ultimately leading to both of your demise, but afterwards, while you were giving your calm explanation of “why did this happen”, I think blue noticed how purple let the zombies in and attempted that tactic to try to progress the game in his favor. Obviously didn’t work. Everyone was trying to win, given their position and circumstances. He made a move, and it failed/backfired, just as you made a move for a second bonus. After a while, you realized a second bonus wasn’t going to happen, and adjusted accordingly, whereas I think blue was still under the impression you were going for the second bonus still, who knows?
Love watching these vids of maps and settings I never play, I learn a lot from them.
Cooler heads prevail👌🏻
@@adammarkland So why'd you roll a 40 stack? What positive outcome were you hoping to achieve? I guess I just don't understand your thought process on that one.
Liked the chill music, think it fits with the gameplay, as long as its not too loud
I saw a couple people comment on the editing in your video and not really fully on board, personally I love the change. The content quality is clearly going up. People say they care more about your personality than anything but your personality can also be shown in the way your video is edited. Some edits may be unnecessary yet the panning and music is definitely a nice touch.
Also, congratulations to @PedroAce on the win and impressive comeback! Love the respect among players and the praise Pete gives you. Well deserved 😃👏🏻👏🏻
Hey Pete, it's your favorite player from your Round 3 match here 😉. I feel you played that the best way you could. I didn't see any other way to really play that, going for the potential kill on blue looked like your only real option. I also can understand his motive within reason as well to break you, though I think him breaking/opening you later on in the match was his unraveling forcing your hand.
Hope to play against you in the next tourney again when it comes around.
Sincerely,
Captain Taint Tickler.
Appreciate your vote of confidence Sir! Catch you next season.
I would of 100% rolled blue as well my man! He got what he deserved. I understand what he was doing, but he needed to be stronger to influence the game as he was trying. His play was that of a player that held two bonuses and out paced you massively. I have the same experience as you that someone screwed me in the round 4 and they won’t even make it to the next round (I think they knew that)
i also liked your punch back mentality and 'going down swinging'. if you come across players again in the future, they'll think twice about hitting you early as they know it'll be to their own detriment. it is like a long term deterrent approach.
I think it's positive equity if anyone in my game assumes that I might go crazy at any moment if I'm slighted
Love the video Pete! Mad props to whoever edited this one from 5+ hours to just over 1. And I 100% agree with your post game commentary regarding intersubjectivity in Risk. I have long held the belief that in Risk, people make decisions (or at least should be making decisions) that give them the best chance to win, given the limited information they have to work with. This is why learning to think how others think is such an important skill for Risk, because if you can predict how others will behave, then you can increase your own chances of winning because you have more information to base your decisions off of. This is also why it can be frustrating, at times, to watch other players make seemingly "bad" decisions, as they don't have the information you have. Whenever I see a player make what I consider to be a "bad" decision, I try to myself in their shoes and see if I can't figure out why they made the decision they did. Now, I'm by no means perfect, as I had (and still have) my moments where I get perhaps a bit too frustrated, but it's human nature to get flustered from time to time. I can only hope that my introspective moments outweigh my flustered ones. Thanks as always for everything you do!
Exactly once all of the mechanical skills are there the most important skill for risk is empathy.
i really like how all of the dead space was cut out. it's good editing. I'm not a fan of the type of memes at the start of the video, but since it didn't continue past the start it was fine
I really liked blue’s game for 95% of the game - giving Pete the other +4 would have been giving Pete 1st place. I feel reasonably confident that if blue had allowed that to happen, once Pete had become big enough, he would have eaten up blue. However, the slider blitz was an awful move and it’s surprising he doesn’t recognize that.
I think Pete definitely overextended at 17:25, with the Zombie 17 stack and 12 stacks right next to his 10 and 8s respectively - was concerned the moment the turn ended. Far from Pete’s caliber but I’d have focused on securing those borders, and then trying to force the second +4 issue. That one turn set Pete back a lot, but ultimately it didn’t matter due to blue’s final and highly suboptimal play.
Still, a great tournament! Loved watching you and this video, as usual, was highly informational. I would definitely cut down on the fancy animations that were present at the start of the video - I think you should focus on shorts more marketing-wise, possibly summarizing the games you play into 1 minute clips with reactions.
I love your content and I get videos with less down time get more UA-cam attention, but the drama and suspense in between turns is really what makes Risk so fun to watch. It's like watching baseball, the suspense and waiting for action is half the fun. I prefer the full unedited games. As always thanks for the content, keep up the great work Pete.
Great video. Discussion of the psychology of what motivates players is always interesting to me.
I always feel like part of my job as a player is to figure out my opponent’s motivations and how they differ from mine. Often it’s not that either of us are playing “right” or “wrong” we just have different theories of what works, and sometimes that means we end up in conflict. C’est la vie.
Exactly! There is no objectively correct strategy for risk. What works changes over time and depends on what everyone else does and believes.
This channel is so weird to me. I actively dislike risk but I love the energy that is put out by you, Pete. Just positivity even under the very real stress of competitive gaming/streaming. Somehow this channel joins my subscription list even though it is a VERY select list. So gg Pete, see you next season.
I love this comment!
What can I tell you man. I try my best and I'm glad you enjoy my work.
Played well Pete; in all the other games I watched players were good neighbors. The suicide is the correct play since there will be other games and tournaments to play. From blue’s perspective he read the writing on the wall. I wonder if he could have leveraged a good neighbor with you to find a second bonus for himself? In the end he was able to first strike you and not get last…. Just seemed like there had to be a better third option for himself.
really agree with the rule change, the amount of patience and frustration resistance asked of players for these extra points would turn a majority of people off the game
Exactly.
Hey Pete, Aussie fan here. Sorry for your loss, you truly dominate this game and long time fan. Although you are out. You should challenge the top players to community games and put up tournament winnings. I'm sure your fans are happy to help out, just like Rainbolt in Geogueser tournies. Hope this gets read and you can keep up the great content. Your overall positive outlook on life is something to admire. Aussie D out. 👍👍
Thanks Moby, there will be many more tournaments to come!
Congratulations on making it so far in the tournament. My thoughts:
Free-for-all works as a party game; it does not work for an elimination tournament. Anyone, at any time, for any reason, can ruin their own game and someone else's. It's fun to watch you take on five random strangers and pull out a win in a low-stakes games, but a free-for-all tournament with one-round elimination is inherently flawed. As we've seen.
The only way to make this work is a kind of free-for-all round robin: choose settings that make the games really fast, and play a lot of games with random player lineups. That way, one round like this doesn't sink a player's tournament. However, as we've seen, the tournament organizers are unwilling or unable to choose appropriate settings.
All the best.
I see the thing you see as a hanging offense for FFA as just part of the game.
Tournament design is super important still but I have just had to come to my peace with the fact that any noob can ruin my tournament at any point and learn how to be ok with that.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy This one game, and the discussion on both videos, has been edifying.
Risk has always been a free-for-all game with alliances, betrayals, and grudges. It makes it more fun to watch, it's part of the strategy, and the top players accept it. And free-for-all Risk can work as a competitive game - but it comes down to the settings. And I'm not just talking about the terrible elimination format.
What's the excuse for capitals in round 2? For zombies in round 4? Are those settings so skill-intensive that they justify the five-hour games? I haven't seen any evidence of that. Whereas your basic progressive games, either 70% or world domination, are always dynamic and fun to watch, without seeming any less skillful.
If the tournaments exclusively ran progressive cards, no capitals, no zombies, on a variety of fun maps, leading to 30 or 40-minute games - well, apart from all the other benefits, you could play a lot more games, so randomness would be a smaller factor and skill a relatively larger one. Every once in a while, your game would be ruined by someone else's questionable play, but it would only cost you some points in game 3 of 5 from round 2 of 4 or whatever, which seems more palatable.
Your round 3 win was the highlight of the tournament. Imagine a league that runs progressive cards, no capitals, no zombies, and 70% domination for every game.
Well, best of luck in the next tournament, whatever the settings may be.
The issue in this round is neither of you could see what the other person was trying to do and you guys miscalculated. Because each player had a methodology as to how to play to win, and Pete being firm in his strategy, This round exposed the hole in both players strategies when confronted and when left to guessing. Because there was no emote communication from Pete (makes sense) there simply was no communication. We had no idea if blue hitting Pete was simply his best play for a card, his other side could have been an impenetrable wall. SO what appears to us as an act of aggression could actually have been an act of desperation.
Territory I.O is another risk like strategy game at a much faster pace with more players. Even the best strategy can totally lose in that game, there are so many factors involved, vere little is ever guaranteed. This round had too many factors going on that hindered strategy.
Hey Pete! Loving the content, and i just wanted to give my feedback on the more edited video. I think the time stamps that popped up on screen are great, as I’m not toooo invested in the tournament and just wanted to see you play some risk. Also cutting out large sections of stalemate or fast forwarding could be beneficial for viewer retention. On the other hand, maybe don’t cut away from the recording as much? Small things like your focus routine really create an atmosphere that hypes me up.
Keep up the good work Peteman!
I put out the full version too for those folks who want the rest of the story.
Love the editing and music choice here Pete - somehow you’ve found a way to level up the content. Love it!
Hi! I’m Soft Bubbles!
I really like your videos as you know. I’ve been following you for a long time now. You just keep growing (that’s what she said). I prefer your videos just straight up as they were before! But that’s just my opinion. They were clean and nice to follow. It’s too much happening now and it’s harder to focus on the game, commentary and comments from the stream.
Thanks Pete for all the entertainment 😊
🙏🙏🙏
there's a LOT to learn from this game
Long time viewer, just wanted to say Pete: You are a civil, respectable competitor. Well done, man. Keep it up.
Thank you Caleb!
"Something has happened that I'm not involved in" - haha music to ears for anyone who has ever played fog...
So here's my thoughts on the situation Pete (The last paragraph is my thoughts; the following is a preface). For perspective, I've been ranked as high as 57 on FFA without gimmicked wins. I also approach my games with the same mind set of I really want to be good neighbors. I have to credit you a lot for what I know about risk as I started playing Risk: Global Domination because of your videos. Even though I've learned a lot from you, I personally believe that player behavior (including mine) is mostly due to the following factors:
1. Experience - i.e. risk aversion being more common with players who care about placement/rank; the strategies one develops during games at various levels of play, etc.
2. Personality - i.e. Degree of Patience, degree of desire to avoid conflict (e.g. Alpha/Beta personality), level of trust the player tends to extend freely, the understanding of what is rude play vs. what is fair game play (this also goes with experience and the level of the game, but there are manners in Risk I think people expect others to abide by (though the expectations may be different for every player), temper control (w/in game: how many times can someone piss you off before you snap), are you okay with not placing first (many fight to the last breath against whoever is damaging them. I tend to target realistic placement. If I see I don't stand a chance, I take out the player bot, or whatever).
3. Schedule - i.e. some individuals opt to suicide when they need to leave/get bored (really annoying, there's a resign button for those situations ... assuming a well mannered game).
Thoughts on Blue and the situation:
Anyway, I'm sure there's plenty more traits I could preface this with, but to get to the point, the blue player had an interesting approach that would be very difficult to deal with. I would have done something very similar to you for most of that game. However, here's some differences I noticed. When you split 5/6, you didn't re-trade with purple on that spot. I would have expended the extra troop or two risking a lower guard to attempt to ensure that purple had a place to hit for cheap that wasn't my bonus. Now, purple might've still broken or might not have, but for the sake of argument, let's say he didn't break, that would've created an interesting dilemma for blue the following turn when he sees a semi-lightly guarded border and you obtaining two bonuses. I don't know what blue would've done, but given you had the move prior to blue, assuming you reinforced the lightly guarded border of 5/~4 (not six because you traded with purple) to let's say 7/6, that's a fairly expensive hit at that stage. Again, purple may still have broken at any point, but he seemed to be a little more non-conflict focused than blue, so if I were to guess, at least one of those turns, purple would let you keep it without breaking for trading rights and hoping blue expends his troops instead). I see purple as a smart opportunistic player who doesn't desire to waste troops unnecessarily. Blue was a smart tactical player who has aggressive play, but not downright provocatory play (hence he didn't break your second bonus). If I were to guess. Blue knew you were holding some of the best bonuses on the board very early on and he had a small bonus. I suspect blue would be the player on a classic map who if playing in South America, pushes and sits and trades in North rather than placing a large external trading position in Asia. Or the Australia player who ensures that the North America player cannot obtain that extra troop/card blocks North America. Basically, smart play, but taking an active stance on how things are going to be, rather than a passive play). Your conversation with Blue at the end speaks a lot to his personality as he didn't recognize trades on unguarded bonuses and hitting to let zombies in as provocative play. I'm sure he saw it as aggressive and expected some manner of retaliation (hence him stacking 120... perhaps he wanted the kill, who knows, but you had a lot of troops to hit at that point). Like you, I would have seriously considered suiciding into him hoping to place better than I otherwise would. But the other thought that crossed my mind was switching and taking the bottom bonus only, letting zombies remain up top. The risk with that is now both blue and purple may see you as small enough to kill after clearing it out. I would be curious to see if blue backed off some if you slow rolled him with your smaller stack for a few troops and gave the fist bump emote after final break; however, with the assumption that you took the bottom bonus instead of suiciding. If you still have contact with him, you should ask him what his intent was at the end.
Post remark: When blue moved his troops out of the way, that was very impressive play. I think that took us both off guard, I think that deserved a well played :P
What a great analysis. I see things mostly similar.
I'm surprised nobody has responded to your comment.
I didn't go for the bottom bonus because it was worse in every way. 1 extra territory, 1 extra front, still next to an antagonistic player and also next to another who was shown to be willing to slider blitz black's stack on that portal. So that thought may have crossed my mind but it was off the table very quickly. As far as an ongoing dialogue with the blue player, he made his comments on this video and as you can see, he is not yet in a position mentally to recieve the information that could improve his game. And I have many more things to do with my time than talk to people who can't, don't or won't listen.
Thank you Pete for taking the time to read + thoughtfully reply to my lengthy comment (length: hence why no one else likely bothered replying rofl ). I value that :) especially since I spent a great deal of time writing it specifically for you :). I want to provide some thoughts in reply to your reply and perhaps an additional comment or two.
Thoughts w/ respect to your reply:
First, I will concede you are the better player and that I actually agree with what you said. My continued discussion is playing devil's advocate as I think taking the bottom bonus carried significant risks of appearing weak and easy fodder. Purple attacking black on portal would be concerning for you in taking the south bonus.
I guess I had a couple thoughts to point out, which I'm sure you considered. One, purple significantly reduced his stack on that attack on black and irritated what was a strong player, purple likely still wants cheap trades which I suspect you would have only given him if he let you retain the bonus, and I bet purple was hoping blue keeps wasting troops on you. Blue doesn't have a portal. Blue was concerned about your dominance. And blue was happy to utilize zombies against you. The south position limits the zombie stacks that blue can see to zero. Not to say blue wouldn't hit hoping you lose the bonus. However, you'd no longer be the dominant player posing any long-term threat by possessing only one bonus without your stack aiming at him due to the portal guard, and having no where to grow to without him knowing. Hopefully he'd switch objectives for a period of time, even if just trading with pink.
I'm slightly unsure whether the bonus sacrifice to let zombies in was solely intended for you. Blue would have known Purple's protective stacks, the AI loves hitting completed continents, and either direction it goes would have been beneficial for blue. I'm assuming blue wasn't aware of the predefined directional movement of Expert zombies on that map. (BTW, I cannot find where that information is, do you know, I'd love to study up on it). All that said, I would guess it was meant for you. Just a thought I didn't hear you bring up.
Once smaller, but directly adjacent to purple's large portal stack, any kill on you by blue could lead to the demise of blue due to purple seizing the opportunity to steal blue's bonus post significant troop loss. Blue demonstrated the willingness to let you retain a single bonus so that would be the hope. Albeit, small. If blue were any non-grandmaster player, I would not bet on blue deciding to back off (hence where experience comes into play). However, blue was a strong player and there might've been a chance especially since it was a tournament game. (side comment: I hope you keep releasing videos following the progression of the tournament even if you are unable to participate directly. I'm curious to see what happens with game settings and whether key players you personally know pull it out).
Regarding having no desire to speak to him again, I can't blame you. Certain people royally piss us off in risk and we refuse to play with them again willingly, etc. I've done the same thing where I see who's hosting and am like absolutely not. (e.g. The host refused to let my early game 6+ troops through to exit the territory he wanted when he knew he could have. And when I tried to communicate it to him, he not only eliminate that stack, and proceeded to blow through another continent just to take out everything I had to the count detriment of himself. All he had to do was let me through in any of the multiple turns I waited for him to let me leave (this was early game mind you). So yeah, not playing with him again lol. Bit of a grudge.
That match was a wild rollercoaster, and your commentary was well spoken. I’m excited for the future of this game and hopeful that going first in a zombies match won’t be as detrimental as it proved to be here.
Good game still proud of you for making it this far and look forward to seeing you in more tournaments
dude your video quality and edits have gotten so much better great vid !
Hey Pete sad to see it end like this. Really happy to watch and maybe next time I’ll want to join the tournament. Not sure I liked the music or some of the other editing choices. I understand needing to cut for time but I do like just watching the game play out. But understand you can’t put out a 6 hour video. Gg and keep up the amazing videos
@51:25 there was a total of 13,947 troops that the zombies held that was needed to be removed for pinks win that’s crazy
Oh my, it did feel like quite a few : )
Not the biggest fan of this editing style, I prefer the old, much more straight forward and simple risk game. All of these effects and zoom ins on you are kind of distracting (not that I mind looking at ur face or anything tho)
Instead of suicide on that turn do you think it might have worked out differently if you put your troops from the portal to the other stack on that turn and hit his stack on the next turn? I don't play risk myself, I just watch you play it. If it were me playing (if I wasn't dead already by that point) I think I would have tried something like that. What do you think?
He was in a no turning back position there, because It was fixed and his bonus was taken with a giant zombie stack. He was an easy fish, soon or later, with no comeback possibility. He is a real experient player (must have +3h played) and saw that. He just punished who did that with him before die.
Any delay of me not having a bonus and him having one just increases his advantage relative to me.
Editing is too choppy to my taste.
All these cut-out fractions of seconds, screens flashing for 2 or 3 frames, etc.
One of the most tragic games i’ve seen. Like the edit and music tho
Humanity in nutshell. Even there is a zombie horde coming in we kill each other first
Art mirroring life!
Thanks for editing this to a very watchable length. Still an hour, but at least it wasn't two. :-)
Good game. I think your response was appropriate to the stimulus blue provided.
Speaks to the importance of allying with your neighbor and hope to go to the end that way.
In this situation that would have put Blue at a disadvantage, so maybe not acceptable for him to be the one on the front line.
Respect blue's play in trying to weaken you but in doing that he really left you nowhere to go, so have to respect your move to retaliate even knowing it was futile. What other option did you have? Try to retake a bonus, be the weakest player and wait to die? Only thing you could've hoped for was an infection or war somewhere else on the board?
Exactly. Give someone nothing to lose, then be surprised when you lose too? It doesn't make sense.
I have my first comment above, but I will say there needs to be discussion around not the blue player directly, but the idea that every way is the right way. I think if you showed this game to an above average player they could agree with the breaking of the bonus but not the slider down, etc. just because it was his way, does not mean it is a correct way. I think it will be appreciated your cool, calm demeanor in this situation.
Yeah that's something I'm trying to talk about more. How there is no objectively correct strategy for the game and everything depends on context - your opponents, the board, the timing, everything...
Idk man, flawed logic is flawed logic and deserves to be pointed out. The idea that you're going to end someone's game, and expect them to just white flag and call it a day is a fundamental misunderstanding of how tournament games go. But, when all is said and done, I'm sure it's a lesson learned.
We hope
Thanks for letting us watch the rest of the match even after your demise.
You're welcome. It's a privilege to be able to do this work.
Pete i think further practice was needed while considering having an interior stack with a minimum of 2/3 of your outer stacks to fend off zombies when you get broken or zombies infect. While that type of play doesn't get you bounties in a tournament settings it does give a extra weapon in having zombie infections hurting your opponents. Considering how big some stacks were for blue and purple if they got infected there games would be sunk and you being first had the better chance to kill them.
Most your practise games i saw you play had you in the centre of the map where multiply stacks for ground worked, not sure how many practise games had you in the corners of the map but it seems like it relies on a different strategy to the centre, especially so when your opponents were aggressive in keeping you from expanding.
Sounds complicated
Can someone explain what the upside to the zombies mode is? It seems to introduce a big random factor that reduces the effect of skill in the game.
Zombie generation is kind of OP, but surviving them is a skill in itself. And on mid-high level games, it is maybe the only random thing remaining, as player can calculate odds and expected value on each attack. I dont love it, particularly when includes fog, but I can understand the value.
Most of the players I've seen tend to agree; Zombies + Progressive = Good : Zombies + Fixed = Bad
I tend to agree.
There are a lot of skills to managing the zombies properly there is as with anything at risk also a lot of luck.
Yeah can't say I enjoy the music or the weird edits. Lol.
Also to add: the decisions by red and blue were based on partial game information because of fog. You have no way to communicate and you make moves based on a partially visible map. No one player made a bad move. Its a game where you are trying to score points and make eliminations. The stack moving to help the zombies kill red is inspired. IF blue gets the kill on red.
"it's been an hour. i need to keep my concentration" (5 hours later) meme.
haha
GG best of luck next year. great insight at the end of the video. it help me learn some of the benefits of being a good neighbor, which seemed like a weird concept to me when i first started watching your VODs (as someone who only played the boardgame in person and not used to this style of online meta) . it seemed strange to let your opponents build up freely but i can see it also helps you grow as well. in these point/bounty formats it isn't always about winning as much as not coming in last and building good neighbors prolongs your position on the board.
Good neighbour theory is actually a pretty advanced concept that we usually see in Risk once players reach grandmaster and above (but not always)
When I put a mirror in front of my guinea pig: 1:02:06
Enjoyed the video. I thought you did well coming back from a rough position at the end of turn 1. In the end you did what you had to do. That's the way the Risk cookie crumbles. Great display of patience by magenta in the end. Really amazing to come back from one troop.
Thanks! It was long and grueling but worth it all in the end!
Love both your take and also the comment from blue player. It's a game and gotta love it even if it adds drama haha. Also poor Pedro
Great effort Pete, I know this is a tough loss with some terrible luck. Take a short break, work out, eat food, and rest. We appreciate your content and effort you put into these games. You'll get them next time!
Zombies are so tough. Props to Pedro. Well played Pete.
Sorry to see you go out, Pete. You gave blue every chance to be a good neighbor, not retaliating for breaking the second bonus and not trying to retake it either. The communication aspect of this game is really interesting, and seems quite challenging at times.
I tried my best!
Happy with how I played it.
Instead of just talking about the last few turns of your game I just wanted to say I think you did amazing based on your start, like i feel as though the amount of unluck and unfortunate events that happened to you was crazy! Yet, you still somehow survived for many many rounds later. Its sad to see the journey end for this tournament (for the both us :( ) but im super hyped to see the next tourneys coming out soon and see your skills go back to work!
Cheers Rex. I'm happy with how I played this season. That's all I can really hope for.
I'm sorry to find out that you are out of the tournament. I'd love to have played against you in the tournament. But knowing your greatest motivation is inspiring so many people to play risk comforts me.
For myself I played well so far in the tournament (with some bumps - no hard feelings Silent ;-)) and will just make the cut into the quarter finals. This is much thanks to your channel
It's a cool feeling to push this far into a tournament with so many players. I hope you enjoyed your Round 5 game! Give em hell
Use the emote to misdirect and mislead. Use Ooops at key moments to draw attention to apparent mistakes. Weave a web of desception if possible. Most of the time it is not. But you gotta work with what you got.
For instance, act like you don't know that your one territory connects onto blue territory around the snow blocking the path.
Bait him into the attack by pretending you don't know. But only when it is advantageous for you for him to do so.
Sorry…the weird editing effects make this unwatchable for me. I’m sure some people love it, but I gotta pass. Hopefully future video will be back to the the pre editing format.
You would probably prefer the unedited version I posted
ggs Pete! You show great respect to the other players and I have seen the strategy used by blue player in terms of not letting others get a big advantage early in other risk games. From my experience, it seems to help advance public games quicker, but tough to use in a competition game where it is more risky than a good neighbor situation where you wait for others to make the move instead. On a side note, I got 2nd to General Quach in my round 2 game cause he took almost every kill. I was very interested to see how he matched up against you.
It's probably a much more effective strategy in a public lobby when you are not facing off against all excellent opponents who have fought their way to the top 150 of 1000+ players.
Wow what a start of the game, from lucky to unlucky, again and again. Oh the rollercoaster of emotions there, WP and GG. Unfortunately people sometimes forget about not only practicing the game itself but also getting to know your enemies, in this case blue should know when enough if enough with our beloved Pete ;) p.s. and Pedro man your a sick puppy :)
Hahah you can't win em all my friend. I'll be back around for the next one!
GG Pete! Wp ❤️💯👍 Don't beat yourself up over this... I can't imagine playing so constantly excellent. Touching to see how much it means to you.
Congrats on the tournament, you played well. I think you played to your outs and as always bring class and positive energy to the community.
I do try my best sir
Blue made an enemy out of you. I would’ve suicided into them just as you did. If I’m going to lose because of one persons actions, they are not going to win that game. Blue played how he thought was his only chance to win. But playing that way is giving an excuse for your opponent to suicide into you. And a lot of people, such as myself, play risk emotionally and will suicide as you did.
I wouldn't even say it was an emotional move since I'd do that again in the same circumstance every time.
Sorry to see you go down, but gg anyways!
I totally agree with what you said though - they played what they saw as the best move, even it it might not have been or turned out different than what they maybe thought to happen.
About the music - son't like it, but that might be just out of habit. So, to be more constructive about it: maybe turn down it's volume bit - it seemed to be a bit too loud compared to the commentary and the game-sound.
Love your videos Pete, but not a fan of the editing bro. Too distracting, especially for a RWC game.
Personally I think the background music is a little bit to present. Would love it, if it could be a mittle bit less loud for next time. But love the editing. Especially for that long videos, they are really worthy.