I thought at the time watching it live the Crows were getting robbed and then I watched the replay and thought oh it wasn't as bad as i thought because we'd lost and the care factor was nil but watching this I really hope the AFL did a scathing review of this game, particularly the Eddie Betts hold, even a blind man could see that
The umpires are under afl instruction, it doesn't take much to figure it out. Look at the membership numbers grow. Look at the generous fixture the year they beat GWS. They made top 4 the year prior, and had roughly 10 games at the mcg leading into the finals, while other sides had to travel, they literally broke their own rules to help them build that new/casual membership money... Then during the covid season they traveled the least as well.
I don’t go for Richmond or Adelaide but when I was watching the game u could definitely tell that they were being favoured massively. All the Victorian teams usually get favoured Over SA QLD and WA teams because 90% of the umpires come from victoria
@@qvixk7522 lmaoooo imagine being that dumb. Read the rules kids. "Where a Player is moving whilst in possession of the football, the Player must bounce or touch the football on the ground at least once every 15 metres" Section 15.2.2(b)
Lol wtf are you on about mate, cheating? Have you ever watched football before. Go and watch bloody horse riding if this “cheating” is too much for you
this is gonna be a major controversial comment but i strongly believe adelaide shouldve won that grand final, its 4 years past it but the comments section is here so.......its not about having a fair amount of free kicks etc, its about who actually plays by the rules. The tigers definitely didnt play by the rules that day. Sure, adelaide didnt play perfectly either but richmond were heavily favoured. To the people saying the umpire cant see everything, why do they have like 20 cameras then? so they can review things, but some of these fouls were so blatantly obvious the umpire should have been competent enough to call them out but he never did which shouldve lost him his job. Crows should have gotten the win fair and square, yes the tigers did play more aggressively but they also got away with a loooooooot more than what the crows did. Im quite disapointed in the lack of competency from the umpires these days, cant even call a foul and theyre supposed to be umpiring the game and then crows gets trashed talk because of how 'badly' they played, do yas think thats fair? how about we trash talk the tigers for how much they cheated in the 2017 GF? Some players didnt play their best that day sure, but at least give some acknowledgement that this match was just an umpires failure to comply with the rules of AFL which lead to incompetently umpiring the game . If the umpires did their job properly this video wouldnt exist.
I love the Crows but they didn't show up on GF day. Full stop. When you start getting first to the ball, and start to win contested possessions , these type of calls start going your way.
You realise on 2017 the total amount of free kicks awarded to richmond was the lowest in the entire comp. The adelaide Richmond game at AO where dusty was grabbed around the neck and dumped to the ground that was in full view of all umpires. When you lose a game dont blame the umpires blame the team that didn't show up because they thought they had it won.
I think this is a result of having grand finals played at the MCG, umpires seem to favour the home team cos of crowds, we saw an awful display in 2016 with the Dogs over the Swans and still less-than-impressive calls here, yet I think they were less obvious and definitely less dangerous
@@eckhart9467 you realise that the GF is always played at the MCG, right? And the QF was moved to the MCG because of capacity reasons, not to give RIchmond the advantage.
I think a lot of the non-paid frees you can look at and say they don't tend to pay them in the grand final, the trouble was all the same kind of infringements were paid against Adelaide. Things like Lever for a jumper hold, Otten for 2 jumper holds, yet Martin's crucial mark and goal against Brown was from a big jumper tug (one angle shows the jumper balloon). When the Crows lifted the intensity or the defenders pushed the boundaries the umps came down hard. I've never seen so many players so often with their arms out stretched at the umpires pleading / querying what was going on. And to think during the finals I thought to myself if Adelaide can't win I wouldn't mind Richmond getting up, I felt sorry for the supporters who have suffered for so long. And like most people I kind of felt bad that Cotchin had to miss the GF for a soft incident, but like 95% of the "experts" I recognised that based on the evidence and previous bad record there was no way he could get out of it. Instead Adelaide lost 2 key players to injury, the AFL turned a blind eye so Cotchin could play, Richmond even got to play Geelong's home final at the MCG to have even made it this far, and of course Adelaide had to travel days early to get paraded through the streets of Melb (what does that do for your preparation) before playing the GF on Richmond's home ground, then the umps kept them in the game in the first half. I understand Richmond fans will see all this as sour grapes and insulting to their win but maybe they should just quietly acknowledge that after years of torment they had a hell of a lot go right for them and Adelaide, that has had a harrowing time for the last few years, somehow they have to start again knowing that they basically did everything right but the odds were quite unfairly stacked against them. Hard to face shelling out for another membership knowing that the trend is now well and truly in play... last 5 premierships won by Vic teams defeating non-Vic teams, despite 4 of those 5 non-Vic teams being ranked higher. The chances of that happening by chance rather some kind of bias in the system are very very small. And anyone that thinks the final margin invalidates the umpiring argument is either not being honest or doesn't know footy and understand what momentum does, especially in the finally balanced elite level of AFL.
Hey mate, just wanted to ask for permission for me to continue on with this series, for me i feel that it would be a fun project to review th umpiring decisions of the 2017 grand final, i'll give credit for the ideas in the video
The betts hold is just ridiculous and it’s shit like that which changes the momentum of a match, I myself don’t agree with all of these but some of them are bloody obvious. I also understand that these free kicks don’t justify losing by 8 goals.
The decision not to give Betts a kick was clearly wrong. A lot of decisions here that went Richmond's way. The umps are affected by the crowd. Absolutely no doubt about it.
And how the hell did so many Richmond supporters get so many seats?, when we were told we only had 17000 alloted. Some of our gold members couldnt get seats , looks like that was rigged too
The thing is you slow it down, replay it 3 times and show close ups of it! The umpires don't have the same view of the broadcasting, they don't get to slow it down, they don't get a replay and they are under as much pressure as the players out there!!! And after all of that, most of the calls weren't wrong anyway???
Terry Cucchiarelli pressure doesn't only come from competition, like say if an umpire had to make a call on a deliberate rushed behind, there would be big pressure on the umpire, and they are facing it all the time
Stopped following the game for a while now. And it's the best thing. AFL is all about suiting the agenda . Hawks Collingwood, Richmond, Geelong WC and Bulldogs have all had sweet gigs.
Was watching the game thinking, man that guy needs to change his name to Freekick Richmond. Umpires were seemingly caught up in the bandwagon. I don't even like the crows btw...
Unfortunately, it is impossible for the umpires not to make bias decisions when a home crowd is so loud and imposing. They wouldn't do it on purpose but it happens subconsciously. Its why the west coast get a lot of good umpiring decisions in Perth... also these umpires lack sufficient training for these situations as they arnt even paid full time. The only true way to fix this would be playing at a nutral grounds. But money and the spectacle has clearly been given higher priority. So i guess all you can do is enjoy it for what it is.
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Richmond won fair and square, however this game should've come down to 2 or 3 goals not 8. If the umps had been 'fair' then the crows would have still had some momentum. Adelaide did play really poorly in the second half and Richmond got on top when it counted. 3 or 4 goals were stolen from Adelaide and 2 or 3 goals were given to Richmond. However in the end Richmond were the better side.
let's not forget that if the crows were closer then they would have pushed harder and richmond would start to panic, so it could of easily swung Adelaide's way Unfortunately the game ended like it did, deserved or not, Richmond won, and nothing can change that unfortunately
Mate they got absolutely DREDGED it wouldn't have matter if Adelaide won an extra 10 frees Richmond were just simply phenomenal hence why they've won 2 flags and a minor premiership in 3 years. Best team in the league for the past 3 and they do it all by consistently losing the possession count and if you add up the times Richmond get frees they've been almost last in the past 4 seasons for free kicks. Salt city here.
you are a DH that doesn't know the rules christian, have you never seen an umpire call advantage then stop play because the advantage was not an advantage, have you ever watched a game of AFL football or are you just a DH who doesn't know anything about the game??
some of these are really bad by the umps but you cant expect them to be 100% every time as we have a better view by the cameras and they are running and most of the time has a bad view
As an Adelaide Supporter I think richmond won fair and square. I’m not salty we didnt win the flag because it went to the team that was better on the day. We were the best team all year but we choked on Grand Final day. If we won then the thing would be #freekickadelaide. We have a few salty supporters but we just lost the grand final, when your team loses one you’ll know how it feels. But the most important thing is that the best team on the day won the flag.
Bullshit Kady, the umps wrecked the spirit of the crows , if you've ever played the game you would understand how unjust decisions ruin the spirit of a team
Bullshit Allan..... You said "if you've ever played the game you would understand how unjust decisions ruin the spirit of a team" really Allan? So what pissweak team did you play for? I am guessing you played for a team that lost consistantly and blamed the umpires right? Adelaide were on a roll and were on top of the ladder.... then a few bad decisions (according to you) and your team just folds on GF day? If you are correct then the Adelaide team have a glass jaw.... Face it, the Adelaide team just thought they would turn up and win.... Adelaide kicked the first 2 goals of the game in the first few minutes and thought it was all over.... beleived your own hype> Your captain had the plane seat next to him booked for the premiership cup to take back and had no speech for loosing prepared or even formulated. You spent the victory BEFORE you had it...... Richmond were a hungry team and it showed and, as a result Adelaide supporters like yourself are frustrated and reduced to making up excuses to help heal your wounds> Please dont stop though..... its hilarious
choked 12 times in 17 years huh? maybe thats why Allan "pisspants" White is on almost every video comments section (about 2017 Grand final ) that I've looked up...... its part tragic part funny thats hes been reduced into this simpering crybaby.... forever haunting the comments sections with his salt.
Its one of the GFs i missed and have never sat down and watched a replay as i dont follow either side,but I was miffed Adelaide lost especially after getting away to a great start and watching this explains why,didnt see the final free kick tally,but im guessing it was lopsided against the crows especially after the first quarter and sometimes that doesnt matter as its where they get paid and the one with eddy betts being dragged down would have put the crows within a goal.Also if the tigers went and got a goal str8 after that it would have been a 12 point turnaround and been a hit to the crows moral.Its funny also that the bullies and the tigers werent as good in the following year as well,but as an eagles supporter I'll have to see how they go as well this year
Sxlty we lost because they were the better side sure I do believe Maynard was blocked but in the end they were too good, just get over it shit happens.
RJ L it was a bit unfair but also consider that in 22 rounds you get 11 home games, and then there are a few other teams that play at the MCG, then also they would’ve have played a couple of those teams twice, so it makes sense for them to have 17 there, 11 normal home games, 6 away games because 3 other teams play there, and there would have been a couple teams played twice, so it’s possible for that to be a normal draw (And btw I’m not biased towards Richmond I’m a Sydney fan)
Can you make a video highlting the Pies v Giants prelim 2023? I could name 3 or 4 free kicks that were blatantly obvious but were not paid. I think it'd make for a great video.
Don't pretend as if you have never criticized the umpires. It took you two years for your mob to stop whinging about the umpiring in the 2015 ef vs north
It’s not that difficult for the umpires to stealthily favour one side. All they have to do is pay the 50/50s to one team and not the other, and that gives them plausible deniability. The umpiring in the last two grand finals has been nothing short of disgusting.
Normy2323 mate, I was at the ground to watch this game. I can tell you (sitting in the crows cheer squad section) that maybe 5 frees weren’t payed that should have been. The rest were 50-50 or 100% correct. People need to get over the fact that umpires can make mistakes. Adelaide lost because they went MIA after half time
Allan White mate, you clearly have a one sided view on the matter. The umpires had some questionable frees to spectators at the ground, but when watching it via television and having the umpires audio to accompany you could hear their justification. Or the commentators showed footage that proved the umpire correct. Richmond were the better team and deserved the win more with how they played on the day.
Did you want to make one from the other perspective? A more interesting video would be to pick out 'incorrect' decisions given against both teams, and then tally them up to prove that there was any sort of advantage either way.
Bro as a crows fan I'm pretty bias but come the umpires clearly we're being bias towards richmond and you will notice if you watch a crows game they will give the other team if it's Victorian more free kicks in the first half then once the game is over and we are down by 20+ points they will start to catch up on frees richmond we're the better team but we might have won if the umpires were better
Maybe next year they'll come up with a new rule, give Richmond 90% of the free kicks per game, and whenever you get tackled, even when you just received the ball, then it's automatically holding the ball, the rule doesn't apply if it's high or in the back, unless you are a Richmond player, all your free kicks will be advantage.
I’m assuming that your just some jealous, biased Adelaide supporter who can’t stand losing? I think Richmond one 2017, 19 and 20 fairly. And there going to do it in 21.
Jaykle101 More like the IFL: Interstate Football League, what with the homegrown umpires and the hundreds of thousands interstate clubs receive in their first years, and Sydney, who received an extra million a year for that cost of living bullshit when Melbourne's actually more expensive to live in.
To all the Richmond nobs, this video is pretty damning of the Victorian umpires bias. I'm sure that if this had been Collingwood in place of the Crows, Eddie McGuire would have asked for a Royal Commission!
so you're saying a team who finished on top of the ladder and was one win away from glory would just 'lose hope' and not try and win because a few free kicks didn't go their way? Good teams can win games with poor umpiring and Richmond did all season with the most free kicks against, they earned their spot in the grand final.
So it wasn't because they were soft, outmuscled, outplayed and just overall beaten? They just lost hope because of the umpiring. If what I mentioned first isn't the reason but in fact the umpiring then it just furthur proves how soft and pathetic Adelaide are as a club and furthur do not deserve a premiership in 2017.
mate i'm a tiges fan and have been since the day I was born and haven't stopped smiling since we won, but I find it silly how you think Adelaide would lose all hope after such a good season in a big game. We won fair and square but there is no chance umpiring alone put them off
I was at the cats Richmond prelim this year and the tigers got a free kick payed against them and this girl next to me said ‘well The umpires just don’t like richmond’
0:47 crows still got a goal. 0:32 jack still would have taken the hanger. 0:57 nankervis still took mark.4:24 was bumped not tackled. must be an adelaide supporter whinging about why they lost by 8 goals
at 0:32 Lever was centimetres away from spoiling the ball, there is no doubt with a proper leap (not being held down) and access to both of his hands, he could have prevented the Riewoldt mark
STILL think the umps won it for Richmond huh? LOL well a few years on and the tigers have won ANOTHER GF and looking pretty good this year too.....and Adelaide?
Are you stupid? Richmond dominated the stats, controlled the game and the Crows played terrible, yet the umpires made an 8 goal difference? God you richmond hating conspiracy theorizing nutjobs are dumb. According to idiots like you, Richmond were the worst team in history to make a grand final and were going to lose by 120 points. And now you dishonestly shift the goalposts to 'the game was rigged.' Pathetic
@@jackgreen684 I mean I'm not saying it was rigged either, but like, this video, it's pretty bad I'm not gonna lie, obviously it's not Richmond's fault that these horrendous decisions were made, it's the umpires (obviously) but when you're on the receiving end of it, you cant help but feel hard done by, and some people end up then having a disliking towards the team and then say stuff like they didn't deserve it, and maybe they didn't, I believe if these free kicks were called the way they should've been called, the game would've been a lot closer, for example the betts hold call, that was very close to halftime and obviously would've been a certain goal for betts, and the margin would've been 4 points instead of ten, plus it would've given the crows the momentum, it's just things like that, again as I said it's completely the umpires to blame and ya know everyone makes mistakes, obviously we've been told this many times, and it is true, but they're umpiring at professional level and a 6 minute video of just bad decisions is terrible for professional umpires.
If you slow it down and watch it ten times, analyze it, discuss it, then of course you are going to spot technical infringements which the umpires missed. Unfortunately the umpires don’t have that luxury on the day. There were only two obvious errors which we all know about, Eddie Betts and Jacob Townsend. The commentators picked these up on the day. The fact is that the frees on the day were 25 Tigers, 19 Crows. Richmond went in harder on the day and drew slightly more frees.
The very first free kick one second into a GRAND FINAL with COTCHIN holding on to SLOANE'S arm and SLOANE holding COTCHIN'S jumper set the pattern and the agenda for the game.
And he took 14 sprinting strides of roughly 1.5 metres.... works out to over 20m which should be enough to make the call. Either way, it was an obvious holding the ball (missed) call when he finally tried to bounce it.
2.46 Astbury's momentum takes him down. Barely held onto by Prestia. Broad was doing what every footballer does when in a tackle: punching the ball/opponent arm to get the ball free.
Darcy Sutherland do u not understand that the afl put money into Gold Coast and gws if there’s a couple clubs that the afl hate it’s either Richmond Collingwood or Carlton and Essendon all the Melbourne clubs y cus there old
Glen Coe call me a d**khead and an imbecile oh yeh and that’s how you spell it because that’s what you wanna do with your life call a little kid an imbecile 4 having his own opinion sure do that
As usual with these videos I'd say about 40-30% are fine. My big issue was that this sort of forensic detail was applied to richmond when Townsend was slightly held (a similar contest to where lever was pointed out to be infringed) which resulted in a goal. It was a technically correct call but one that was never going to be paid both ways. Minutes later betts was blatantly held and that cost a goal. That's a 12 point turnaround pretty much. Richmond were the better side all day so the umpires aren't going to cop the condemnation.
The advantage and no advantage clips can be easily explained. If there’s a free kick and you run in the opposite direction of your goals it’s no advantage but if you get the ball and run towards your goals it’s advantage. Boom! (Btw I’m not an Adelaide supporter)
0: 25 Dusty was not ducking he had his head over the ball and was picking it up, legal play and fair free kick 1:26 and 0:43 both of these were the same and both should have been frees (in my opinion), but you were biased to Richmond saying the one at 0:43 was a free kick and 1:26 was not 2:01 Adelaide took the advantage but a lack of communication and awareness let Richmond tackle for holding the ball, not the umpires fault, the teams fault 2:55 he was in the motion of the tackle and can not stop half way, play on any day 3:15 I agree with this one and this was the biggest miss of the game 3:35 Completely legal, played in many many highlights of the game and disposed of it legally after fending one off and legally disposing it on the second. Key word - Legal disposal 3:46 1.) He fends him off in the chest, not above the shoulders 2.) He had no prior opportunity and fended him off as he got the ball, and the ball seemed to be knocked out anyway (not 100% sure because of the angle), but if it was thrown it is still play on, no prior opportunity 4:08 I do not agree with the fact that he ran too far, the rule is you must bounce it every 15 meters and most strides are roughly one meter. I do however agree that that was holding the ball. 4:28 Well if you stick with what you said at around 3:12 and let the commentator decide, he said "And Rioli's gonna win a free kick" before the umpire made the signal to ball it up or pay a free kick for holding the ball. I agree with this comment 4:44 The ball is knocked out by the player behind him, therefore losing possession of the ball and unable to dispose of it, that is play on 4:50 The ball is knocked out again, just like the last one at 4:44 5:47 He clearly thought that he had the ball and he went to pick it up, and as I said earlier before, once he started the tackle he can not stop half way, and in this case if he let go it could have been a sling or possibly dangerous tackle Everything else that I did not state here was either correct in my opinion or too hard to judge and could have gone either way depending on the angle. Overall I think that this was a well umpired game and from what I have seen so does pretty much everyone else.
0:25 How do you differentiate between Douglas copping a high hit when he went to pick it up, and dusty copping one seconds later? I agree with the holding the man calls at 0:43 and 1:26, however i believe they are the same play and should be officiated the same way (on the day Richmond got the better of both calls) If 2:01 is advantage how is 2:10 not? 2:55 in my opinion this is a genuine hold and Ellis should have released the tackle after the disposal, agree it gets called both ways but more often than not this is downfield 3:35 How is this different to the Rampe holding the ball last GF? One of them must be incorrect as they are the same play officiated differently. Which do you believe is correct? ua-cam.com/video/331aWvUaAmc/v-deo.html 3:46 it looks like the fend off is closer to the neck but I agree you cannot definitively say with this angle, but fending off is and always has meant sacrificing prior opportunity 4:08 Sprinters stride length is normally roughly equal to the height of the sprinter, Lambert may be short but i think he has 1m covered quite easily. 4:28 Where is the prior though? Bruce is merely commentating the umpire blowing the whistle, not necessarily agreeing with it. 4:44 i can agree with you on this 4:50 In this example Nankervis sacrifices prior oppurtunity by taking the ball out of the ruck, and the ball is not knocked out but dropped, which should be holding the ball. 5:47 i can see where you're coming from on the Talia one, although the one moments later on Mackay clealry began after the possession and thus there is no excuse. Thanks for your analysis though, interesting to see other peoples (justified) opinion
You can only take advantage in continusous play @freekickhawthron mate maybe you should read the rules before posting a stupid video only 3 of these were payable everything else happeneds every game and if you pay em the game would be slow and with 60+ frees every game is that what you want its like Nba they dont call minior stupid ones cause they dont want a slow game
This is the most biased video I've ever seen the Eddie Betts hold was a free kick no doubt, but Grimes pushed Betts in arm was not a free kick, If you don't think Rioli's tackle on Atkins was a free kick you are a bigger idiot than I thought even Bruce Mcavaney is like "that's a terrible handball it's holding the ball" Mackay made several terrible decisions too the kick out, You also don't the highlight any of the free kicks Richmond should of got like Laird over the footy in the defensive 50 should be holding the ball, all you highlighted are some soft free kicks that maybe Crows should of got some of these are reaching and it actually shows how pathetic the Crows were on GF they pushed off the ball so easily..
Umpires absolutely killed Crows momentum in first half, which in turn gave Richmond crucial momentum to go and win the game (especially the "Betts was held" moment). Still think Tigers would have won though, but margin would have been quite less imo.
I thought at the time watching it live the Crows were getting robbed and then I watched the replay and thought oh it wasn't as bad as i thought because we'd lost and the care factor was nil but watching this I really hope the AFL did a scathing review of this game, particularly the Eddie Betts hold, even a blind man could see that
Your a fucking clown
Richmond won 2 more flags after this game !
The Crows never got warm
Clearly Richmond were the much better team
Ive waited ages for this to come out
shut up
@@thththththththththt shut up mate a kick can change the game
@@truebluefooty9844 dom sheed knows that
This should inspire anyone who doesn't know the rules of the game to become an umpire.
The umpires are under afl instruction, it doesn't take much to figure it out. Look at the membership numbers grow. Look at the generous fixture the year they beat GWS. They made top 4 the year prior, and had roughly 10 games at the mcg leading into the finals, while other sides had to travel, they literally broke their own rules to help them build that new/casual membership money... Then during the covid season they traveled the least as well.
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The fact that this video is 6 minutes long is unbelievable
And everyone is calling me a sook with this
Thank you so much
Agreed they just look at the final result not the actual game
I don’t go for Richmond or Adelaide but when I was watching the game u could definitely tell that they were being favoured massively. All the Victorian teams usually get favoured Over SA QLD and WA teams because 90% of the umpires come from victoria
Cooked Ham that has nothing to do with umpiring but ok
You do realise Adelaide won the free kick count easily
@@jasonevans4291 Richmond won it 24 - 19
@@tjhyatt Your wrong and your lying
I wouldn’t say Victorian teams get favoured, this is coming from a st kilda fan
the point is the umpires favour the Melbourne teams
Not Essendon they don’t they hate them
That's because the value of tapping into markets of small cities like Sydney is so low.
The official rule is 15 strides before a bounce, so that was legal, but I agree with most of the other errors you picked up on
15 metres
The official rule is actually 15 metres, and 14 running strides is normally around 30 metres
@@allanwhite3264 15 steps/strides
Allan White it's actually after 15 strides/steps it doesnt matter how many metres he ran
@@qvixk7522 lmaoooo imagine being that dumb. Read the rules kids. "Where a Player is moving whilst in possession of the football,
the Player must bounce or touch the football on the ground at
least once every 15 metres"
Section 15.2.2(b)
It may interest you to know Richmond received the least amount of free kicks this year .
No they didn't. Hawthorn received the least. Which is even more surprising.
And yet they were allowed to cheat in the grand final and not get free kicks for it. We're talking about one game, not your whole season.
Lol wtf are you on about mate, cheating? Have you ever watched football before. Go and watch bloody horse riding if this “cheating” is too much for you
I think you mean worst free kick differential
tingles with flyby ASMR your obviously a stupid one eyed SA supporter who is a sore loser
this is gonna be a major controversial comment but i strongly believe adelaide shouldve won that grand final, its 4 years past it but the comments section is here so.......its not about having a fair amount of free kicks etc, its about who actually plays by the rules. The tigers definitely didnt play by the rules that day. Sure, adelaide didnt play perfectly either but richmond were heavily favoured. To the people saying the umpire cant see everything, why do they have like 20 cameras then? so they can review things, but some of these fouls were so blatantly obvious the umpire should have been competent enough to call them out but he never did which shouldve lost him his job.
Crows should have gotten the win fair and square, yes the tigers did play more aggressively but they also got away with a loooooooot more than what the crows did. Im quite disapointed in the lack of competency from the umpires these days, cant even call a foul and theyre supposed to be umpiring the game and then crows gets trashed talk because of how 'badly' they played, do yas think thats fair? how about we trash talk the tigers for how much they cheated in the 2017 GF? Some players didnt play their best that day sure, but at least give some acknowledgement that this match was just an umpires failure to comply with the rules of AFL which lead to incompetently umpiring the game . If the umpires did their job properly this video wouldnt exist.
I love the Crows but they didn't show up on GF day. Full stop. When you start getting first to the ball, and start to win contested possessions , these type of calls start going your way.
mate. who cares if you get the more contested possesions the umpires should be equal between the 2 teams
You realise on 2017 the total amount of free kicks awarded to richmond was the lowest in the entire comp. The adelaide Richmond game at AO where dusty was grabbed around the neck and dumped to the ground that was in full view of all umpires. When you lose a game dont blame the umpires blame the team that didn't show up because they thought they had it won.
Smart
@@phiz2k816 you are clearly wrong.
Sorry your wright
I think this is a result of having grand finals played at the MCG, umpires seem to favour the home team cos of crowds, we saw an awful display in 2016 with the Dogs over the Swans and still less-than-impressive calls here, yet I think they were less obvious and definitely less dangerous
Never happens in Adelaide?
@@timkleinig6031 yes it does every home game advantage
thanks for noticing these things hopefully other people will as well
It's always good when free kicks go your way. For many years free kicks never went the way of the tigers
Shut up
@@jackzimmermann6823 u shut up u little mole
Only 45 seconds in and there's been 10 horrible calls/missed calls. richmond were gifted the flag
Gifted the flag?? They fought hard for that and were better on the day.
@@connorkilgour3430 they were the away team in the QF and GF and played at their home ground against Geelong and Adelaide. Easiest flag ever.
@@eckhart9467 you realise that the GF is always played at the MCG, right? And the QF was moved to the MCG because of capacity reasons, not to give RIchmond the advantage.
@@dylanz4928 I know both those things, pinhead. Doesn't change the fact that Richmond got extremely lucky with who finished above them.
@@eckhart9467 It wasn't luck that Adelaide Crows or Geelong finished above Richmond you idiot
Check out the free kick differential for 2017: Round 23 Free Kick Differential Ladder
1. Western Bulldogs +62 (433 for, 371 against)
2. Brisbane Lions +47 (446, 399)
3. Collingwood +45 (394, 349)
4. North Melbourne +38 (434, 396)
5. West Coast +32 (414, 382)
6. Carlton +29 (440, 411)
7. St Kilda +18 (392, 374)
8. Adelaide +2 (436, 434)
9. Gold Coast -3 (381, 384)
10. Melbourne -5 (409, 414)
11. Essendon -15 (392, 407)
12. Geelong -18 (457, 475)
13. Sydney -21 (417, 438)
14. Hawthorn -27 (364, 391)
15. Port Adelaide -34 (418, 452)
16. Fremantle -39 (375, 414)
17. GWS -45 (404, 449)
18. Richmond -66 (401, 467)
Show me replays of all Richmonds opposition & all the frees they didn't get because of corrupt umpires.
1 thing for AFL, Umpires. Please be fair!!
Squad it is hard sometimes
I am a crows supporter and I have noticed that all umps hate us
All ups hate you Richmond bottom of freekick 3 years in a row one game in the end same freekick nearly paid
They are fair
Joel Fry thank you from a Richmond supporter
These sort of dodgy calls have gone on for the last 2 years it’s a joke some weeks
Please make one from this years grand final. There has to be a good 10 minutes worth of content
This is kinda true but at the same time this person who made this video is trying to make an excuse why Adelaide lost
FaZe Fitzyfreo101 it isn’t and excuse its common knowledge to pay obvious free kicks like these
Nah I agree with FaZe over here the free kicks in the foward 50 couldn’t of changed a 48 point win other than the score
It’s an excuse
He just picked out the bad calls towards Adelaide and not the bad calls towards Richmond
Fitzyfreo, Carn the dockers but this guy just makes these sorts of vids like free kick bulldogs free kick Hawthorne
I think a lot of the non-paid frees you can look at and say they don't tend to pay them in the grand final, the trouble was all the same kind of infringements were paid against Adelaide. Things like Lever for a jumper hold, Otten for 2 jumper holds, yet Martin's crucial mark and goal against Brown was from a big jumper tug (one angle shows the jumper balloon).
When the Crows lifted the intensity or the defenders pushed the boundaries the umps came down hard. I've never seen so many players so often with their arms out stretched at the umpires pleading / querying what was going on.
And to think during the finals I thought to myself if Adelaide can't win I wouldn't mind Richmond getting up, I felt sorry for the supporters who have suffered for so long. And like most people I kind of felt bad that Cotchin had to miss the GF for a soft incident, but like 95% of the "experts" I recognised that based on the evidence and previous bad record there was no way he could get out of it. Instead Adelaide lost 2 key players to injury, the AFL turned a blind eye so Cotchin could play, Richmond even got to play Geelong's home final at the MCG to have even made it this far, and of course Adelaide had to travel days early to get paraded through the streets of Melb (what does that do for your preparation) before playing the GF on Richmond's home ground, then the umps kept them in the game in the first half.
I understand Richmond fans will see all this as sour grapes and insulting to their win but maybe they should just quietly acknowledge that after years of torment they had a hell of a lot go right for them and Adelaide, that has had a harrowing time for the last few years, somehow they have to start again knowing that they basically did everything right but the odds were quite unfairly stacked against them.
Hard to face shelling out for another membership knowing that the trend is now well and truly in play... last 5 premierships won by Vic teams defeating non-Vic teams, despite 4 of those 5 non-Vic teams being ranked higher. The chances of that happening by chance rather some kind of bias in the system are very very small.
And anyone that thinks the final margin invalidates the umpiring argument is either not being honest or doesn't know footy and understand what momentum does, especially in the finally balanced elite level of AFL.
That non advantage against the crows should've meant the end of AFL umpiring for that umpire.
Hey mate, just wanted to ask for permission for me to continue on with this series, for me i feel that it would be a fun project to review th umpiring decisions of the 2017 grand final, i'll give credit for the ideas in the video
Just go for it mate
@@tobythedevil1874 yea i've done it for 2020 and am currently doing 2019 with 2018 and 21 next
@@BarbellFooty who you doing for 2018
@@tobythedevil1874 gotta go for west coast since they won, even though i don't believe that the umpires were bias
@@BarbellFooty fairo
The betts hold is just ridiculous and it’s shit like that which changes the momentum of a match, I myself don’t agree with all of these but some of them are bloody obvious. I also understand that these free kicks don’t justify losing by 8 goals.
You must be fun at parties...
Nathan Mackay he wouldn’t even get invited 😂😂
You 2 wouldn't because you are both deluded CSc
Just a dumb comment
Allan White you wouldn’t because you can’t take a joke
The decision not to give Betts a kick was clearly wrong. A lot of decisions here that went Richmond's way. The umps are affected by the crowd. Absolutely no doubt about it.
And how the hell did so many Richmond supporters get so many seats?, when we were told we only had 17000 alloted. Some of our gold members couldnt get seats , looks like that was rigged too
Lynda loades corporate, they is lots of different ways to get tickets besides the club's ballot.
Lynda loades Because they have a huge, wildy passionate fanbase who haven't seen a GF in 3 & 1/2 decades.
Cam Tinley Doesn't make up for an 8-goal margin, though.
Lynda loades Proportionately, members got the same percentage of seats and all the corporates were Tigers fans. That's how.
The thing is you slow it down, replay it 3 times and show close ups of it!
The umpires don't have the same view of the broadcasting, they don't get to slow it down, they don't get a replay and they are under as much pressure as the players out there!!!
And after all of that, most of the calls weren't wrong anyway???
gimme a break stevie wonder could have umpired better than the victorian umpires, they should hang there heads in shame.
Thomas Inness stop been a salty "non Victorian"
At least I could make a point
Don’t let logic get in the way of a salty rant
BS...pressure comes from competition. Who are the umpires competing against?
Terry Cucchiarelli pressure doesn't only come from competition, like say if an umpire had to make a call on a deliberate rushed behind, there would be big pressure on the umpire, and they are facing it all the time
Was waiting for this
Ur obviously a Adelaide supporter who is salty that u didn’t win the grand final
I mean two dozen missed calls really doesn't help.
Shut the fuck up and go back to fortnite
I agree with Gary
Haha ur just salty u last
Gary why don’t u go make some content
And James idc abt ur Pokémon cards mate
glad someone made this video
Kyle Hartigan's face explains all the free kicks
Good to see the salt still flows. Richmond living rent free in heads like yourd since 2017. Best
Just think about it. It isn’t Richmond’s fault at all that the umpire was “favouring” them.
Loved it when the maggies spanked them in 2018 ef,knocked that smile off tiger supporters for another 39years
@@russe19642 you must have loved getting spanked by GWS eh? Also, 39 years was a bold prediction. You were almost right
@@noahsauvola3511 I didn't take into account the bias AFL has towards them
1:49 Grigg lets it roll out on purpose, why would this be a deliberate call?
Because the adelaide player DELIBERATELY tapped the ball out of bounds under no serious pressure.
@@aidanrickard3641 No pressure? Your an idiot
@@assassianwolf7299 you're*
If Jacobs takes possession of it then he gets tackled and would probably get called for holding the ball, bit harsh for it to be deliberate
Mr. Tobias stop being a grammar nerd
2:14 yes but you can also clearly see that Rory Sloane was calling for no advantage
Yeah and he definitely wanted the first one to be advantage didn't he
Half these free kicks are actually free kicks must be a crows fan disappointed
Zach Taylor and u must be a Richmond fan
You should’ve gone to specsavers
Fat Guy From Show nice bio must be cool
Richmond one fair and square.
Yeah
Sums up the Grand Final, 👍
Essendon vs Collingwood ANZAC day 2019, for Essendon.
Freekick Collingwood 2018 and 2019
Talia Mason free kick Collingwood really? Is that why west coast didn’t get done for illegal shepperd
Pause at 5:24 look at the free kick count 21 to 18 tigers only leading by 3 tigers played really well in 2017 they deserved it .
Crows were hard done by, would like to see the free kick differential
richmond only had 5 more free kicks...
Stopped following the game for a while now. And it's the best thing. AFL is all about suiting the agenda . Hawks Collingwood, Richmond, Geelong WC and Bulldogs have all had sweet gigs.
Was watching the game thinking, man that guy needs to change his name to Freekick Richmond. Umpires were seemingly caught up in the bandwagon.
I don't even like the crows btw...
But some of them we’re made by different umpires maybe they weren’t on the same page
Unfortunately, it is impossible for the umpires not to make bias decisions when a home crowd is so loud and imposing. They wouldn't do it on purpose but it happens subconsciously. Its why the west coast get a lot of good umpiring decisions in Perth... also these umpires lack sufficient training for these situations as they arnt even paid full time. The only true way to fix this would be playing at a nutral grounds. But money and the spectacle has clearly been given higher priority. So i guess all you can do is enjoy it for what it is.
It weird to think that someone sat in their room and looks at mistakes the umpire made. He is human too
Exactly
Umpires were not the reason we lost, we were well beaten on the day and just had a bad day. No excuses, well deserved Richmond. Still hurts today.
Sean's Kitchen on North Terrace is really good and Shiki Japanese Restaurant also on North Terrace. There is one in the casino called Madame Hanoi as well. I'm not a big expert on the good restaurants in Adelaide unfortunately but those are good from what I've heard.
0:59 I mean I’ve been caught several times doing this so it’s a pretty questionable call. But a lot of these are shocking to see!
Please come back good sir. We need you
Richmond won fair and square, however this game should've come down to 2 or 3 goals not 8. If the umps had been 'fair' then the crows would have still had some momentum. Adelaide did play really poorly in the second half and Richmond got on top when it counted. 3 or 4 goals were stolen from Adelaide and 2 or 3 goals were given to Richmond. However in the end Richmond were the better side.
let's not forget that if the crows were closer then they would have pushed harder and richmond would start to panic, so it could of easily swung Adelaide's way
Unfortunately the game ended like it did, deserved or not, Richmond won, and nothing can change that unfortunately
Its clear the AFL wanted Richmond to win. Absolutely shocking umpiring.
Of course they did, where the is $ there is corruption.
Retarded conspiracy theories
If u look at the free kicks on the game it was 19 to 24 not that big difference
Sporting Bros but most of the free kicks against Adelaide were fine but the ones for Adelaide or against Richmond were dodgy and barely called
Yeah I guess
Mate they got absolutely DREDGED it wouldn't have matter if Adelaide won an extra 10 frees Richmond were just simply phenomenal hence why they've won 2 flags and a minor premiership in 3 years. Best team in the league for the past 3 and they do it all by consistently losing the possession count and if you add up the times Richmond get frees they've been almost last in the past 4 seasons for free kicks. Salt city here.
Douglas had the ball when dusty held onto him
I guess this video will happen every year who do you think the free kicks will go to next year?
When Adelaide played on and got caught, they played it on and that makes it advantage, so you're wrong
(Carlton fan)
+Christian The Pro what about when they played on and got stopped by the umpire when they actually had an advantage?
The 2nd one I agree with. But the crows chose to play on and they didn't stop to go back
you are a DH that doesn't know the rules christian, have you never seen an umpire call advantage then stop play because the advantage was not an advantage, have you ever watched a game of AFL football or are you just a DH who doesn't know anything about the game??
Oh so prior opportunity gets thrown out if there is an advantage called
All dislikes are tigers supporters
some of these are really bad by the umps but you cant expect them to be 100% every time as we have a better view by the cameras and they are running and most of the time has a bad view
You just don’t like richmond
you just dick ride richmond
I don't even think majority of those free kicks should have been reversed
You don't think
As an Adelaide Supporter I think richmond won fair and square. I’m not salty we didnt win the flag because it went to the team that was better on the day. We were the best team all year but we choked on Grand Final day. If we won then the thing would be #freekickadelaide. We have a few salty supporters but we just lost the grand final, when your team loses one you’ll know how it feels. But the most important thing is that the best team on the day won the flag.
Bullshit Kady, the umps wrecked the spirit of the crows , if you've ever played the game you would understand how unjust decisions ruin the spirit of a team
Allan White, I guess your right. You could tell they all just gave up by the 4th quarter.
Bullshit Allan..... You said "if you've ever played the game you would understand how unjust decisions ruin the spirit of a team" really Allan? So what pissweak team did you play for? I am guessing you played for a team that lost consistantly and blamed the umpires right?
Adelaide were on a roll and were on top of the ladder.... then a few bad decisions (according to you) and your team just folds on GF day? If you are correct then the Adelaide team have a glass jaw.... Face it, the Adelaide team just thought they would turn up and win.... Adelaide kicked the first 2 goals of the game in the first few minutes and thought it was all over.... beleived your own hype> Your captain had the plane seat next to him booked for the premiership cup to take back and had no speech for loosing prepared or even formulated. You spent the victory BEFORE you had it...... Richmond were a hungry team and it showed and, as a result Adelaide supporters like yourself are frustrated and reduced to making up excuses to help heal your wounds> Please dont stop though..... its hilarious
choked 12 times in 17 years huh? maybe thats why Allan "pisspants" White is on almost every video comments section (about 2017 Grand final ) that I've looked up...... its part tragic part funny thats hes been reduced into this simpering crybaby.... forever haunting the comments sections with his salt.
I did a bit of research on this Allan guy and this is a clip of him from a few years back ua-cam.com/video/hK5Ynj5IRVU/v-deo.html
Its one of the GFs i missed and have never sat down and watched a replay as i dont follow either side,but I was miffed Adelaide lost especially after getting away to a great start and watching this explains why,didnt see the final free kick tally,but im guessing it was lopsided against the crows especially after the first quarter and sometimes that doesnt matter as its where they get paid and the one with eddy betts being dragged down would have put the crows within a goal.Also if the tigers went and got a goal str8 after that it would have been a 12 point turnaround and been a hit to the crows moral.Its funny also that the bullies and the tigers werent as good in the following year as well,but as an eagles supporter I'll have to see how they go as well this year
now we need free kick westcoast 2018 grandfinal
Sxlty u probably didn’t even watch it to busy playing fortnite u bender
Sxlty we lost because they were the better side sure I do believe Maynard was blocked but in the end they were too good, just get over it shit happens.
Richmond definitely got looked after. Then, after winning the GF, they get 17 home and away games at the MCG. Bit unfair!
RJ L it was a bit unfair but also consider that in 22 rounds you get 11 home games, and then there are a few other teams that play at the MCG, then also they would’ve have played a couple of those teams twice, so it makes sense for them to have 17 there, 11 normal home games, 6 away games because 3 other teams play there, and there would have been a couple teams played twice, so it’s possible for that to be a normal draw
(And btw I’m not biased towards Richmond I’m a Sydney fan)
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Can you make a video highlting the Pies v Giants prelim 2023? I could name 3 or 4 free kicks that were blatantly obvious but were not paid. I think it'd make for a great video.
Softer than butter these frees
Richmond got them though
Richmond got them though, wonder why????
I just knew you were going to make a video about this
Well how salty r u? 😂😂 grow up Adelaide got smashed by the tigers
Don't pretend as if you have never criticized the umpires. It took you two years for your mob to stop whinging about the umpiring in the 2015 ef vs north
& smashed by the umps, open your eyes
@@allanwhite3264 maybe if you guys actually showed up, you would've actually won instead of getting flogged
Allan White it would’ve done anything cuz the Tigers are just too good for Adelaide. Adelaide are bull crap
The only reason he didn’t do the 2018 one is that he’s probably a West Coast Fan and hates Vic Teams
Apart from the block off the footy on maynard it was fairly umpired. Probably nowhere near enough material
It’s not that difficult for the umpires to stealthily favour one side. All they have to do is pay the 50/50s to one team and not the other, and that gives them plausible deniability. The umpiring in the last two grand finals has been nothing short of disgusting.
Normy2323 mate, I was at the ground to watch this game. I can tell you (sitting in the crows cheer squad section) that maybe 5 frees weren’t payed that should have been. The rest were 50-50 or 100% correct.
People need to get over the fact that umpires can make mistakes.
Adelaide lost because they went MIA after half time
Well said Normy2323 ,even the AFL admitted they gave the dogs 4-5 frees last year that shouldn't have been paid.
Strange the umpires were so quick at picking up Richmond frees but ignored clear Adelaide frees.
Allan White mate, you clearly have a one sided view on the matter. The umpires had some questionable frees to spectators at the ground, but when watching it via television and having the umpires audio to accompany you could hear their justification. Or the commentators showed footage that proved the umpire correct.
Richmond were the better team and deserved the win more with how they played on the day.
Oh Someguy FromKangarooland you do need glasses,AFL rule book & 2 eyes working properly before you attempt to justify comments like that.
For the betts on rance free kick, it’s a clear legal bump but in this situation it’s called a block. That’s what the free kick was for rance.
Did you want to make one from the other perspective? A more interesting video would be to pick out 'incorrect' decisions given against both teams, and then tally them up to prove that there was any sort of advantage either way.
gameguru1234 I do agree with this. Both sides would take it more seriously if the umpiring as a whole was reviewed.
Bro as a crows fan I'm pretty bias but come the umpires clearly we're being bias towards richmond and you will notice if you watch a crows game they will give the other team if it's Victorian more free kicks in the first half then once the game is over and we are down by 20+ points they will start to catch up on frees richmond we're the better team but we might have won if the umpires were better
i did not realise how much the umpires affected the grand final, great vid, i do footy vids aswell
I agree with all of this
Maybe next year they'll come up with a new rule, give Richmond 90% of the free kicks per game, and whenever you get tackled, even when you just received the ball, then it's automatically holding the ball, the rule doesn't apply if it's high or in the back, unless you are a Richmond player, all your free kicks will be advantage.
The crows deserved that gf. Clearly the most dominant team of 2017
Oh really mate your full of shit from south Australia crows and power are crap so are you supporters sore loosers and I don't even follow richmond
And yet they were only good enough to win the same amount of games as us in the h&a season, and eventually finish with less wins than us after finals.
I’m assuming that your just some jealous, biased Adelaide supporter who can’t stand losing? I think Richmond one 2017, 19 and 20 fairly. And there going to do it in 21.
Won*, and as a Richmond supporter myself, I hate to be a pessimist but this year doesn't look promising.
@@planetx1595 there goes a subscription. Where are Adelaide coming this year? At least the tigers have a chance. You aren’t even a real supporter.
You're right it is still the VFL!
Jaykle101 More like the IFL: Interstate Football League, what with the homegrown umpires and the hundreds of thousands interstate clubs receive in their first years, and Sydney, who received an extra million a year for that cost of living bullshit when Melbourne's actually more expensive to live in.
wv vw talking dribble again Sydney is Australias most expensive city to live in.
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To all the Richmond nobs, this video is pretty damning of the Victorian umpires bias. I'm sure that if this had been Collingwood in place of the Crows, Eddie McGuire would have asked for a Royal Commission!
Should make another Adelaide video on how the lost the clearances by 6, contested ball by 30 and inside 50s by 9. That'd be some good watching!
Maybe because they could see the umpiring disissions going against them and lost hope it would be fair.
so you're saying a team who finished on top of the ladder and was one win away from glory would just 'lose hope' and not try and win because a few free kicks didn't go their way? Good teams can win games with poor umpiring and Richmond did all season with the most free kicks against, they earned their spot in the grand final.
So it wasn't because they were soft, outmuscled, outplayed and just overall beaten? They just lost hope because of the umpiring. If what I mentioned first isn't the reason but in fact the umpiring then it just furthur proves how soft and pathetic Adelaide are as a club and furthur do not deserve a premiership in 2017.
mate i'm a tiges fan and have been since the day I was born and haven't stopped smiling since we won, but I find it silly how you think Adelaide would lose all hope after such a good season in a big game. We won fair and square but there is no chance umpiring alone put them off
RICHMOND FAN!
Very good stuff so true nice vid fantastic points
Great video, I felt that this game was much fairer than 2016. Can you analyse the port vs west coast extra time game, for free kick eagles?
I might have a look at it in the off season, cheers for the recommendation
The 2016 gf was rigged as well
Fnsed ok how was it "free kick eagles"? it clearly says that Port had won the free kick count 25 - 17 for the entire game!
Fnsed
Haha you mean free kick port 25 -17. The umps did everything to win port the game but the eagles still beat them at adelaide oval again.
Sources? Shuey's duck cost Port their finals campaign.
I was at the cats Richmond prelim this year and the tigers got a free kick payed against them and this girl next to me said ‘well The umpires just don’t like richmond’
Mate they don’t there are some calls that are not going to be called for them but this guys not showing the ones crows got away with
0:47 crows still got a goal. 0:32 jack still would have taken the hanger. 0:57 nankervis still took mark.4:24 was bumped not tackled. must be an adelaide supporter whinging about why they lost by 8 goals
BetweenTheBigSticks Half of the things this video is crying about happens in every game
at 0:32 Lever was centimetres away from spoiling the ball, there is no doubt with a proper leap (not being held down) and access to both of his hands, he could have prevented the Riewoldt mark
BetweenTheBigSticks I agree
4 of how many free kicks? And I guarrentee that every supporter from every team (except wankmond) would disagree with these free kicks.
Wow your a butthurt Adelaide supporter
Free kick Hawthorn 2015, Free kick Bulldogs 2016, Free kick Tiges 2017
I’m noticing a pattern here.
5:17 sorry I can't let Adelaide have any chance of winning, the AFL needs a fairytale.
STILL think the umps won it for Richmond huh? LOL well a few years on and the tigers have won ANOTHER GF and looking pretty good this year too.....and Adelaide?
Now that I think the margin was like 8 goals
Are you stupid? Richmond dominated the stats, controlled the game and the Crows played terrible, yet the umpires made an 8 goal difference? God you richmond hating conspiracy theorizing nutjobs are dumb. According to idiots like you, Richmond were the worst team in history to make a grand final and were going to lose by 120 points. And now you dishonestly shift the goalposts to 'the game was rigged.' Pathetic
@@jackgreen684 I mean I'm not saying it was rigged either, but like, this video, it's pretty bad I'm not gonna lie, obviously it's not Richmond's fault that these horrendous decisions were made, it's the umpires (obviously) but when you're on the receiving end of it, you cant help but feel hard done by, and some people end up then having a disliking towards the team and then say stuff like they didn't deserve it, and maybe they didn't, I believe if these free kicks were called the way they should've been called, the game would've been a lot closer, for example the betts hold call, that was very close to halftime and obviously would've been a certain goal for betts, and the margin would've been 4 points instead of ten, plus it would've given the crows the momentum, it's just things like that, again as I said it's completely the umpires to blame and ya know everyone makes mistakes, obviously we've been told this many times, and it is true, but they're umpiring at professional level and a 6 minute video of just bad decisions is terrible for professional umpires.
Great Vid.. Would watch again. Go Tigers
{Warning} In this comments section you will encounter a lot of salty Richmond supporters!
AusGuy and your a salty crows supporter what’s the difference. The only difference is we won the 2017 grand final and you didn’t
If you slow it down and watch it ten times, analyze it, discuss it, then of course you are going to spot technical infringements which the umpires missed. Unfortunately the umpires don’t have that luxury on the day. There were only two obvious errors which we all know about, Eddie Betts and Jacob Townsend. The commentators picked these up on the day. The fact is that the frees on the day were 25 Tigers, 19 Crows. Richmond went in harder on the day and drew slightly more frees.
3:10 I mean come on holding the ball
The very first free kick one second into a GRAND FINAL with COTCHIN holding on to SLOANE'S arm and SLOANE holding COTCHIN'S jumper set the pattern and the agenda for the game.
It’s fifteen meters without a bounce
And he took 14 sprinting strides of roughly 1.5 metres.... works out to over 20m which should be enough to make the call. Either way, it was an obvious holding the ball (missed) call when he finally tried to bounce it.
Bit like buddy’s
He got contact with the ball after the bounce
it's actually 15 steps.
EDIT: I was wrong. You were right mate it is 15 metres.
K mate
Better get prepped and ready for Free Kick Collingwood.
2.46 Astbury's momentum takes him down. Barely held onto by Prestia. Broad was doing what every footballer does when in a tackle: punching the ball/opponent arm to get the ball free.
Do a UA-cam search for 'Free Kick Richmond' for two more videos with other examples of Richmond free kick bias in the GF.
The afl wanted Richmond to win.
I think it was set up to give them every advantage.
Lynda loades yeah and momentum is very important in big games
Darcy Sutherland do u not understand that the afl put money into Gold Coast and gws if there’s a couple clubs that the afl hate it’s either Richmond Collingwood or Carlton and Essendon all the Melbourne clubs y cus there old
Glen Coe call me a d**khead and an imbecile oh yeh and that’s how you spell it because that’s what you wanna do with your life call a little kid an imbecile 4 having his own opinion sure do that
Darcy Sutherland Only for $ though.
As usual with these videos I'd say about 40-30% are fine. My big issue was that this sort of forensic detail was applied to richmond when Townsend was slightly held (a similar contest to where lever was pointed out to be infringed) which resulted in a goal. It was a technically correct call but one that was never going to be paid both ways. Minutes later betts was blatantly held and that cost a goal. That's a 12 point turnaround pretty much.
Richmond were the better side all day so the umpires aren't going to cop the condemnation.
Agree Richmond played better all day, but these calls can greatly affect the momentum, giving richmond confidence and sending the crows into disarray.
That non-advantage then holding the ball was one of the worst decisions i have ever seen.
3:48 you actually have to lay a tackle for it to be holding the ball
angus chiswell nah it can be dropping the ball
If you take your opponent on and lose the ball it’s an auto free kick even if it gets knocked out
Incorrect desposle
The advantage and no advantage clips can be easily explained. If there’s a free kick and you run in the opposite direction of your goals it’s no advantage but if you get the ball and run towards your goals it’s advantage. Boom!
(Btw I’m not an Adelaide supporter)
How many cones did you have to make up this tripe??? Have you EVER watched a game
0: 25 Dusty was not ducking he had his head over the ball and was picking it up, legal play and fair free kick
1:26 and 0:43 both of these were the same and both should have been frees (in my opinion), but you were biased to Richmond saying the one at 0:43 was a free kick and 1:26 was not
2:01 Adelaide took the advantage but a lack of communication and awareness let Richmond tackle for holding the ball, not the umpires fault, the teams fault
2:55 he was in the motion of the tackle and can not stop half way, play on any day
3:15 I agree with this one and this was the biggest miss of the game
3:35 Completely legal, played in many many highlights of the game and disposed of it legally after fending one off and legally disposing it on the second. Key word - Legal disposal
3:46 1.) He fends him off in the chest, not above the shoulders 2.) He had no prior opportunity and fended him off as he got the ball, and the ball seemed to be knocked out anyway (not 100% sure because of the angle), but if it was thrown it is still play on, no prior opportunity
4:08 I do not agree with the fact that he ran too far, the rule is you must bounce it every 15 meters and most strides are roughly one meter. I do however agree that that was holding the ball.
4:28 Well if you stick with what you said at around 3:12 and let the commentator decide, he said "And Rioli's gonna win a free kick" before the umpire made the signal to ball it up or pay a free kick for holding the ball. I agree with this comment
4:44 The ball is knocked out by the player behind him, therefore losing possession of the ball and unable to dispose of it, that is play on
4:50 The ball is knocked out again, just like the last one at 4:44
5:47 He clearly thought that he had the ball and he went to pick it up, and as I said earlier before, once he started the tackle he can not stop half way, and in this case if he let go it could have been a sling or possibly dangerous tackle
Everything else that I did not state here was either correct in my opinion or too hard to judge and could have gone either way depending on the angle. Overall I think that this was a well umpired game and from what I have seen so does pretty much everyone else.
XDgagdbdfhs finally someone with a brain.
0:25 How do you differentiate between Douglas copping a high hit when he went to pick it up, and dusty copping one seconds later?
I agree with the holding the man calls at 0:43 and 1:26, however i believe they are the same play and should be officiated the same way (on the day Richmond got the better of both calls)
If 2:01 is advantage how is 2:10 not?
2:55 in my opinion this is a genuine hold and Ellis should have released the tackle after the disposal, agree it gets called both ways but more often than not this is downfield
3:35 How is this different to the Rampe holding the ball last GF? One of them must be incorrect as they are the same play officiated differently. Which do you believe is correct? ua-cam.com/video/331aWvUaAmc/v-deo.html
3:46 it looks like the fend off is closer to the neck but I agree you cannot definitively say with this angle, but fending off is and always has meant sacrificing prior opportunity
4:08 Sprinters stride length is normally roughly equal to the height of the sprinter, Lambert may be short but i think he has 1m covered quite easily.
4:28 Where is the prior though? Bruce is merely commentating the umpire blowing the whistle, not necessarily agreeing with it.
4:44 i can agree with you on this
4:50 In this example Nankervis sacrifices prior oppurtunity by taking the ball out of the ruck, and the ball is not knocked out but dropped, which should be holding the ball.
5:47 i can see where you're coming from on the Talia one, although the one moments later on Mackay clealry began after the possession and thus there is no excuse.
Thanks for your analysis though, interesting to see other peoples (justified) opinion
You can only take advantage in continusous play @freekickhawthron mate maybe you should read the rules before posting a stupid video only 3 of these were payable everything else happeneds every game and if you pay em the game would be slow and with 60+ frees every game is that what you want its like Nba they dont call minior stupid ones cause they dont want a slow game
This is the most biased video I've ever seen the Eddie Betts hold was a free kick no doubt, but Grimes pushed Betts in arm was not a free kick, If you don't think Rioli's tackle on Atkins was a free kick you are a bigger idiot than I thought even Bruce Mcavaney is like "that's a terrible handball it's holding the ball" Mackay made several terrible decisions too the kick out, You also don't the highlight any of the free kicks Richmond should of got like Laird over the footy in the defensive 50 should be holding the ball, all you highlighted are some soft free kicks that maybe Crows should of got some of these are reaching and it actually shows how pathetic the Crows were on GF they pushed off the ball so easily..
RICHMOND FAN!
Please make more
2:07 It's an advantage regardless if they decide to play on. Just being a salty supporter
@guavacado he does
Umpires absolutely killed Crows momentum in first half, which in turn gave Richmond crucial momentum to go and win the game (especially the "Betts was held" moment). Still think Tigers would have won though, but margin would have been quite less imo.
Bullshit