Is The Cheapest Ferrari 308 In The UK Finally Fixed?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- I bought the cheapest Ferrari 308 GTS and predictably it has had a never ending series of problems, steering, suspension, electrical, leaks and more.. but the most serious was the engine using too much oil, even after the heads were rebuilt. Now that is all back together will this troublesome ferrari finally work??
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When I was 17 my friend and I were rebuilding his two-stroke single bike. It all went back together perfectly, we took it outside, he kicked it over and it ran like a dream. So he put it in first and let the clutch out, and disappeared 10 yards backwards up the road before falling off. Timing was 180 out and it was running backwards. One of us thought it was really funny!
I've done exactly the same thing, think it was on my MZ.
Yes, timing paranoia is healthy. Reverse on a motorcycle is less so…!
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Great story. Thank you for sharing.
Atleast it wasn't the gearbox out in reverse.
I had one that would run forward or backwards
Lol I did same on my RD200 😢😢
Thanks Jack! This car purchase is what attracted me to your channel at the time. I love 308s and I don't know if I'll ever get to own one. So I appreciate you sharing your ownership experiences, good and bad. Merry Christmas to you and your family! (From the US)
To you too Jeff!!
Lol which has been the good bit😢😢😢I was given some great advice from my Father who owned 308 then 400i finally a 82 512, he said always set aside 25% of the value for servicing and unseen issues ... if not buy a Mercedes
Watching this in Australia at 4.30am before work, and I had to suppress a cheer so I didn’t wake the family when that beauty fired up! Congratulations Jack. Your patience and persistence has been inspiring. Can’t wait to see you get it out on the road.
Same (in South Oz) had to keep turning the volume down 🤣 have a great day
@@1BCamden haha. I’m in Sth Australia too.
Melbs (ex-SA lol) and same here
Goolwa here. That’s in south Oz too.
Rose Park. I reckon Jack exists to make our car purchase decisions look sensible. (The poor bastard!)
3 years, hope it get done and can enjoy the real Ferrari Experience with this lovely 308. Cheers
The great thing about the 308 is that it is basically a very reliable everyday car. I did 121,000 miles in a QV and it never broke down once. A mate did 97,000 in a carb car like yours and it was also built proof. I know a guy who used to work for Ferrari and he logged over 750,000 miles in various 308's without a breakdown. The other thing is that it is one of the Ferraris that you can work on yourself as you are proving. Lastly parts are readily available and cheaper than a normal modern hatchback if you know where to go and the tricks. The steering rack is the same as an Issigonis mini and can be bought for 10 per cent of the price Ferrari will charge you for the exact same part. The clutch is the same as a Fiat 1 tonne van, the sills cost £50 etc etc. We stripped my starter motor and alternator at 100,000 miles and they didn't even need new bushes! The clutch was only 20 per cent worn so we only replaced the thrust bearing, BUT the reason for that is unlike 99 per cent of people who don't know how to change gear, as a biker I always match the revs when changing down and when healing and towing. That simple skill simply eliminates clutch wear.
Now I know what you are thinking, I must have pussied around in the car for it to have lasted like that. WRONG! Exact opposite, as a 26 year old I followed the advice of the older Ferraristi who told me "Son to get Ferrari to last you treat her like a passionate woman, warm her up gently (and avoid 2nd gear until the oil temperature is on 210) then when she is ready, thrash her like you stole her and she will love you forever and never let you down" Well I followed that advice to the letter and most of my gear changes were on the red line. I used to cross Europe at 140MPH + all day and still get 23 MPG. At 158 MPH and 0-60 at 6 secs, the 308 is not fast by todays standards, but it is still one of the best sports cars ever made. I might get another, and funnily enough I would get a LHD this time as the ergos work much better on that side.
Amazing comment!
I love the ‘Ferrari tribute’ shims - 355, 360, 375…. 😂 ❤
Jack, you show us the (self inflicted) issues too, which is what makes this channel so refreshing - greatly appreciated
I wonder if a Lancia Beta valve adjustment tool would fit your Ferrari? They actually work pretty well - ever so much easier than what you have been using. I believe both cars use the same shims so there is probably a reasonable chance it would work. I actually have one (in Australia) which I have had for about 40 years but you are welcome to it although I note they have them at a few suppliers in the UK - unlike here.
The joys of the single-handed single garage rebuild - without a second pair of eyes, cockups like forgetting oil drainers are still under the car are just inevitable. That motor did sound very healthy when it finally fired up properly - roll on spring-time!
I cheered when she started Jack!! We all need small victories.
My 944 left me in Tesco’s car park last week. No one around to tow me. Call AA. Started on a jump pack but wouldn’t rev. Got towed home and the very young technician said he thought it might be the distributor leads… but he wasn’t very familiar with ‘that kind of ignition’ 🫣🫣🫣.
Turned out he was right, changed them in sub-zero weather so I could get the car back into storage.
The relief when it started was incredible.
Love seeing the 308. It’s why I started watching and I do miss your videos where you are trying to get your cars back up and running!
This is still my favourite Ferrari design. Love your house and location, looks like Hansel & Gretel land! Living in the tropics I forgot how much I miss the seasons.
Jack, I’ve watched for countless years and multiple episodes of the Influenzo.
But your face at 17:00 mins into the video was absolutely worth it all.
You have gone thru what people call traumatic bonding and therefore can never sell the Influenzo.
I know naff all about engines but for some reason I find it calming seeing someone put one back together. Setting up 2 carbs on a 2 stroke bike was my limit - those banks of carbs on the Influenzo look like nuclear power plants to me....
They are a bit of a pain to balance!!
I like the fact you show all your mistakes rather than making it look like everything went smoothly. Not only is it honest, but it shows all the possible issues one may encounter - not that I'll ever own a Ferrari, but it does make it more entertaining.
In the nicest possible way I love it when your 308 isn’t performing as Enzo intended as your fixes and content is fabulous and a must see.
I applaud you sticking with this project through all you’ve both been through. You now have more experience than a great many Ferrari mechanics.
Haha well done Jack, two things popped in watching this episode; firstly, all the Ferrari experts getting white knuckles watching this episode, and secondly, the quintessential British car enthusiast working in a garage and it’s snowing outside 😀
Jack, that smile at @17:02 was the exact reason why your channel deserves all the love it now has! I'm glad to have been a contributing artist, a friend, and a follower for all this time, since almost the very beginning! Your content is getting increasingly better, and I wish you and yours a wonderful Holiday season! Regards, Steve the "designer" from Canada!
I did something very similar with a Nissan 240SX I rebuilt in 2003. The rotating assembly was timed properly, but the distributor was set at 0 instead of the correct 20deg BTDC. I spent an hour trying to get it to start before I found my error. And yes, that first roar after you've rebuilt an engine is...pure joy.
Another entertaining video Jack!
Anyone who been around Fiats since the mid 60's is familiar with the overhead tappet design you are working with. It is one of the most brilliant designs that was ever done on overhead, and especially double overhead cam, engines. It meant that, prior to this design, you didn't have to remove the cam shaft to change the adjustment shims!! I don't know about the 308's factory tool for compressing the valve spring to remove the shims. Why it's not like the FIAT 124's tool, which was designed years before the 308 motor, is unbelievable! The FIAT factory tool was a cheap stamped steel tool that was precisely built to the width of the tappet itself. It straddled the tappet, and pressed down on two edges of the tappet. It surprises me that the Ferrari factory tool for this would not be the same. Unless, of course, you didn't get the factory tool. The tappets for the 308 look smaller than the FIAT 124. But it would be funny if they were the same size! You spent a small fortune for a "Ferrari " tool that is the same as the FIAT tool?! On top of that, it appears to be a more poorly designed tool! I still have my factory FIAT tappet/valve spring compressor tool in my tool box. It is tool number FIAT-SAT-A.60594. I looked for the valve adjusting tool on "Mr. FIAT". It sells for $57.00. They have the one you are using, for the FIAT (Ferrari) Dino, for $236.00. Probably the same for the 308. The two tool one. Really stupid.
They must not be the same diameter tappet. I would suggest having a shop make you a properly sized FIAT type valve tappet/spring compressor. It would be well worth it.
If you want to complain about changing valve lash on double overhead cam engines, just try going through the process of the conventional (at the time) removal of the cams to change the valve shims! Alfa's, Jags, Etc.
enthusiasm!
Thanks again,
Jim
That sounded very promising! It's easily done with the dizzy - when I was working on my other half's MG I managed to get the thing out by 180 degrees, as well as fitting the rotor the wrong way round (as it then looked right, if you know what I mean) when timing to TDC. It was only desperation that led me to eventually get it right as I was convinced I had checked... Great that the guys who did the heads looked after you as well.
Thanks, what a nice feeling hearing that sound
Well done Jack! Really pleased for you and the 308 sounded great. You cannot beat the extreme satisfaction after resolving a long running issue. I remember when I lost drive on my Mk1 Golf GTI after recently replacing an outer CV boot. Thought long and hard and finally worked out I had accidentally pulled too hard on the driveshaft when refitting everything such that I had popped off the inner CV circlip resulting the splined shaft coming out of mesh with the diff spinning round losing traction to the other wheel. Another time, the timing kept going out which turned out to be a slipping crankshaft sprocket due to worn woodruff key! A.common fault I later discovered after desperately asking around. It all helps to keeps the grey matter ticking over!
Shim changing tools I use are for VW's. They have a proper ramped buchet depressor tool and special pliers that reach around the cam. I think the shims are the same size as well. 😃😃If not check out Matt Armstrongs channel where he's fixing a lambo
Well done Jack! You mentioned something about a tube being bent in the oil pan (sump), and I wonder, did you remove the dipstick extension tube before removing the pan? If not, that bends and damages the dipstick tube extension and I believe it can lead to leaks and erroneous oil level readings. To remove the oil pan, you should first remove the dipstick tube from the engine, then reach inside the pipe fitting still attached to the side of the pan (which does not get removed) and you'll be able to slide out the dipstick extension tube from within the oil pan. Then it is safe to remove the oil pan. There are topics on F-chat if you want to read further.
There is no finer moment than when an internal combustion engine comes to life after a rebuild. Congratulations Jack, and I am SO hoping the Influenzo runs properly now. Best wishes for a Good Yul.
Nice to see a superb company like Tayna "silently" contributing to content creators like yourself. I've used Tayna solely on my 6 cars for the last 10+ years and cannot sing their praises enough (especially as you get through many batteries with 6 cars! just because keeping them all charged and in use etc is difficult). Keep up the good work, glad it is hopefully finally resolved. Still loving the content (been 'following' since the early 911uk 964 days etc, and still love the vid with Clinchy)
As a Mechanic, i have to say, you did an excellent Job! Take your time and do it right the first time!
I picked up a Carrera 3.2 in the condition of your 308 and it took me about a year to do an engine rebuild myself finishing about 3 weeks ago. It took about month to tear it down, 7 months at the machine shop waiting my turn in the queue, and then about 3 months of me actually doing the rebuild. I'll probably tackle a 308 at some point so I'm always interested in your progress. Keep up the good work.
Jack I admire your honesty with these videos, we all fail sometimes, our job is to make sure the important stuff is done to mitigate the damage and to learn from our mistakes, thank you for this journey, can't wait to see her on the road
Congratulation JAck... you have been putting more and more energy and spirit to me for keeping our old Pug 505s running till the end of the gasoline era in the future... 😊😁😁
Engines! We love them and hate them in equal measure. The pain and frustration trying to diagnose and fix somehow all disappears when they finally SING! I salute your doggedness - like everyone else I was watching the final fire-up going "please,,, please..please....! 🙂
Jack, this is all so reminiscent of when I rebuilt a Lance Montecarlo… two steps forward one step back … I admire your tenacity 👍🏻
Great to hear that car running properly, grand job. Re: Tayna. I've bought several batteries from them, over the years, for different cars. Service has always been great, the batteries arrived very quickly, well packaged and protected.
Proving once again that the person who succeeds is the one who doesnt give up. Bravo! Bravissimo!! And a Merry Christmas from New Jersey.
Jack, it's about bloody time you got back to the Main Event of your channel!! Anything with the 308 is what we want and what we need. Thanks again.
When your car started, I smiled. I was having a crap day. I'm happy now. Thanks Jack.
Another great video, thank you Jack. I really appreciate that you show what didn't go according to plan and how you eventually made it work. There are too many channels that skip all that. Merry Christmas to you and all your viewers. 🎄
That sounded the best its sounded. Straight away it sounded sweet. I cant wait to see the proper running in video and then it being put through its paces.
Fantastic to see her again Jack. I was worried for you when she didn't fire up, but a big grin on my face when she purred into life after sorting the distributor. World's 2nd most famous 308. 🙂
Glad to see the 308 again and I hope it behaves on the road.
Hey Jack! Working on cars in the cold is a pretty miserable thing to do! I remember working on my car in high school in Feb outside: it was cold, damp and I had oil in my hair, etc. Good on you for cracking on like you have winter be damned!
Jack, one of (the many) things I like about your videos is that you show your progress "warts and all", and I'm sure I'm not alone in relating to all those annoying little mistakes, spillages and broken stuff just because we forgot something.
And wishing you a very merry Christmas.
Been following this series since the beginning. So happy for you to get this beauty running properly. Enjoy. Well done.
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Finally a early Christmas present from No 27. Fantastic to see it running again. When starting an engine that had been open to the damp my dad used to recommend hot water in the cooling jacket and warming up the plugs.
Fingers crossed this is it Jack. Really enjoyed being on the journey with you and this beautiful car. Merry Christmas.
Congrats on finally getting the beast started and running. Can't believe it's been 3 years since I first logged on to this channel. How time flies! Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year! 🙂
Congratulations Jack. And watch out in those snowy conditions now in the UK during the testdrive.
Excellent back on the 308, what a saga. Sounds great, can't wait to see it out on the road again.
Great news Jack .Admire your resolve .I chickened out and had a F specialist do the cam seals + valve adjustment + lower engine + g box gaskets + belts and tensioner + gear lever shaft seals ……bill came to around £5 k …..clocked up 37 hrs on the sheet .Runs like a sewing machine .They are not complicated Infact pretty simple and robust engineering .It’s all worth it the sound of the Quad twin choke Webbers throwing fuel in .
Jack you need a medal of perseverance ! Good on you dude! The final chapter 🤞🏾🤞🏾
Very enjoyable to watch and of course, happy to see the Influenzo spring back into life, Giac.
Merry christmas in advance
As much as I enjoy your special car reviews, these workshop vids are the best, warts and all
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Well fair play to your perseverance. We learn through our mistakes and as long as they’re not a drastically financial disaster all is good. I have the variators to change on the Granturismo in the summer. Oh the joys. You could always sell Influenzo T Shirts to help refill a few coffers of its repair cost
I was so happy to see it run and it sounded amazing for the short time it was running! As a car guy myself, I know you felt amazing to get it going after such a big job!
Thanks for all the great content Jack! - Happy Christmas & wishing you all the very best for the New Year, PJ Warrior! 🙏🙏
Thank you chap, means a lot to have you coming back to see the vids!
@@Number27 Think I've watched all your vids!
Hoping you, Jayemm & Ratarossa may do a road trip one day!
I reshimmed the valves on my bike three and a half decades ago, being a poor student the bucket compression tool was a filed down suspension C spanner. Happy memories, well I tell myself they are as they are at a safe distance now, there may have been significant swearing and not a little sobbing at the time.
Well done Jack. Great perseverance and little mistakes that we all make. Sounding good too.
Jack, I was willing you to recheck the ignition timing, I could see it was out. I actually smiled when it finally ran! I reckon you were teasing us for the video 😉As for Tayna batteries, I have used them for years. Not only for cars but for deep cycle batteries for my boat when I owned it.
Great news, Jack! Sorry about all the troubles leading up to the final start...but when it did fire up it sounded fantastic. Looking forward to the next videos.
Kudos Jack- I look forward to seeing your follow up drive.
Great to see if back running Jack, love this car!
Oh well done Jack. So happy for you. Admire your patience and perseverance- necessary ingredients for any classic car owner who does their own work, yet all to often absent in so many. Again, well done mate. Martin
Fabulous! - The Influenzo starts and burbles as a V8 should. I really enjoy your work on this 308. Well done Jack. I remember the day when I found your channel and you pressed "buy"! How time has passed. Merry Christmas from New Zealand, David.
The issues with the distributor reminds me that it’s often a simple fix.
I have to admit, your will in
Making this project work is
quite amazing. I don't think i
Would enjoy it like you have lol.
The reward is, your car now runs
Great. Well done. 👍
Jack! Have you just been teasing us with your ‘mistakes!’? That start was very satisfying. Thanks for sharing your journey with us. Cheers
Nice to see some spannering again. You must be mightily relieved that it's looking good. Hopefully you'll get to get some driving pleasure from it soon. BTW, brave of you to go out in the salt! Have a good Christmas.
Jack ,i just dipped back in to see how it was going with the 308 great to see it and also to hear it sounding so good. Well done for sticking with it getting it sorted,
Good to finally seem some more Influenzo and fingers crossed significant progress, cannot wait to see it on the road.
Thanks dude and happy Xmas 🎄!
Awesome vid! Would it be worth making a double claw for the buckets? Stops it sliding off
Wish you had filmed lowering the car onto the oil tray Jack!! I can imagine the air was blue for quite a while!! Great to see the Ferrari back and you on the tools!
Well done Jack for putting it all back together, you know all about that engine now. Merry Christmas
Congratulations Jack, on getting the Ferrari back running again! It has been a long journey!! Can't wait for the first drive....Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Jack I so admire your perseverance. Its great when you're refitting those heads/carbs etc for the second/third time you can do it without checking any manual. 😂 Well done it sounds pretty good for the first fire up. Onwards and upwards.
I admire your perseverance and was really pleased for you when it finally came to life!
That fleeting expression of pure glee on your face as you lean across the engine to rev the carbs is worthy of a thousand words! Have a merry Christmas!
I’m working on my Mondial QV in snow covered Alaska and can relate. Love the videos!
I've got covid at the moment mate and been watching your videos, I literally cheered when that car finally started 🙌 👏
OMG was totally stressed with fingers and toes crossed for you. Happy it seems on the right path! Good luck, buddy!
Sounds very promising 😎, I have exactly the same issues with valve shims (29mm) on my 79 Kawasaki Z900, we should be grateful for small mercies tho, once you’ve done an FZ750 re-shim you never complain again as it’s 20 valve & a pita even with the engine out and it’s got 7mm too hat style shims which means it’s cams & buckets out for every adjustment.
Love the 308, still one of the prettiest cars ever made ❤
Good to see Inflenzo running fixed and running properly after some ignition timing issues and also have a Merry Christmas
Jack! Big congrats from my 77 GTB 20433!! Cant wait for the road test!
Loved the time lapse rebuild section that engine is a work of art 😍 another great edition Jack .... happy Christmas 🥂
Forget patience, with Ferrari it’s persistence that wins the day! Fingers crossed 🤞 that you’re at the finish line…at least until the next issue raises its head. Drive safe!
Fantastic that you have it back together mate and it is sounding great. It is amazing how similar you engine looks to my 360 engine. A lot less of a difference than I would have thought.
Yep.. in theory there is some sort of lineage there! Have a great Xmas Jeff!
@@Number27 Merry Christmas to you too mate.
This is great news Jack! I've followed you and the Influenzo since the very beginning. So pleased that your perseverance and irrepressible enthusiasm for the recalcitrant 308 seems to be finally paying off. 🏎🏁👍
Wow Jack, that was a crazy one but you managed to get it run. Great job, you are not a pro mechanic but you did that? Amazing!!!!
Congrats Jack! The sound of the engine is promising, I think it will take only a little tuning to be absolutely ok. I admire all the work you've had since you bought that beautiful Ferrari, and no matter what one say, it worth. I wish I had the opportunity to buy a Ferrari like that, I'll put it running properly, just as you've done. Well, looking forward to the next episodes. Stay cool!!
I could not get the smile off my face when it fired up..... looking forward to the next video.😁
Brilliant Jack, auguri. Can't wait to see it running properly. Buon Natale!
I’ve been waiting for this video for 4 months. Thank you Jack.
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Oh man, hearing that thing fire up and now I understand why you give it so much love!
Yay, was really happy to see it fire up finally!. Can't wait to see the next video with the test drive results. Thanks for sharing mate.
Awesome job Jack! Glad to see the Influenzo fired back up! I know it has been one long battle getting it sorted. I almost think your car has been more work than my 1977 GTB that had been off the road for nearly 30 years when I bought it. Mine needed a full restoration, but at least no cracked heads. I look forward to seeing the videos of it out on the road again!
persistance pays off,bravo jack. keep up the good work.
BRAVO Jack your perseverance is admirable. Looking forward to the maiden drive.
Happy Christmas