@@isaacmcmillen9246 How so? I've been in the trade for just over 20 years now. I've seen my pay go up steadily over that time. I'm well over 6 figures at my current shop.
"I'm not going thru this, you're going to have to google it". That's the kind of thing I would end up saying. I have commercial quantities of cactus. I have quite a lot of knowledge and you quickly find out most people don't.
nothing like paying attention to every single sound with your hand quivering over the red stop button, hoping that you didnt fuck up with a tool clearance somehow
It's okay. Remember your safe space. Imagine the sound of the spindle returning and the table rapiding back home. You open the door and everything looks good. You measure the critical features, and everything comes back right in the middle of the tolerance. A warm feeling of calm washes over you.
@@bird5119 typed "G43 H6" instead of "G43 H19" once...had to sacrifice a nice piece of carbide to extract the form tap from the hole and then spend half an hour precisely turning a pin by hand to take to the welders.
I’m a machinist trapped in the body of an engineer. You’d think that would make me better at either engineering or machining but it actually just makes it impossible for me to have normal relationships or conversations.
I am a CNC integrator. I teach CNC machines how to talk to machinists. I think of ending my li#& several times every day. My clients think I'm on vacation for the past 5 months, but I'm actually recovering from a massive, massive, massive mental breakdown. I am currently hiring, btw.
What did machinists ever do that was so great? Answer: The entire industrial revolution, winning wars, and saving lives by making all of the critical parts to all of the equipment that brings you everything that you value. Without machinists we are back to having black smiths and pulling plows with horses. That's what.
Explaining cnc machining is hard enough. now try to understand my strugle to explane my work as an EDM-Threading machinist xD. The puzzled looks on peoples faces when i tell them i cut metal with a wire and electricity. Amazing
CNC machining is underrated profession, it's complicated, takes responsibility, whole day looking at machine and metal, low pay. Only thing that is worth is starting your own CNC workshop.
Is it really that low pay? I'm just an apprentice so I get $20/hour and free classes at community college but the guys who are teaching me at work make like $80 or $100/hour.
@@kugelblitz1557 whoa, that is some fair pay for the job. In Bosnia and also Slovenia it's poorly paid, Slovenia around 1500 euros a month for bit experienced guy.
Cnc machinists pay varies greatly. Don’t expect as an operator to make fuck all for money. Setup operator makes marginally more. Tool and die or mold makers make a little more, almost a decent wage depending on the shop. Programmers make a bit more. Idk man maybe I’m too jaded lol
@@icuric4077 we mostly make parts for cigarette machines and packaging machines, so we'll get the same orders of parts every few months when they make a new one . Most of the parts are 1-10x per job so they're expensive compared to ones where you make hundreds or thousands. My mentors have been at it since the eighties or nineties so they're pretty fast at it. That's the little prototrak/ez-trak machines though. I have no clue what our guy on the big Haas and Okuma machines makes. He handles more of the jobs that need fifty plus of the same part or ones with super tight tolerances.
@@nwfpv8681 are there that many different categories between operator and setup and programmer? At all the shops I've visited and the one I work at seem to have a system where one or two dudes are in charge of operating any given machine. That includes looking at the drawing, planning operations, finding stock, telling the office what to order if necessary, programming, setting up and running it.
Trained and experienced CNC- machinist here: Excellent video to bring it casually! Good example with the wood. A lot of makers are buying a cheap CNC machine or even modify an existing one to make it a CNC-Machine to cut some nice wooden pieces. But yea the ones I know respect me for knowing how to cut metal, because that's just an entire different story. Only thing lacking in this video is the importance of how to hold you workpiece. I mean it's easy to clamp a square block. That's mostly not the case though. Especially if you have an existing part and you are asked to 'just remove a bit of that surface'. :D
First 10 seconds is like: Okay... Spindle is still in one piece... Nothing moved... Machine didn't break in half yet... Alright let it go thennnnn... Okay no scary sounds we're good to go... I think
That half you pay check comment was spot on lol. Love machining, but it doesn't pay so I have to move on to something that will allow me to buy my own machines and start my own machining business. The straw that broke the camels back was when I went to Subway to get food and they had a sign out that said, "Hiring now, part time/ full time, starting at 18$ an hour" Which is what I was making until a year ago. You would think a person that can hold tenths (.0001") tolerances on manual and cnc machines would get paid a decent amount more than a "sandwich artist" at a fast food joint.
That's what I'm saying.... Machining sounds fun, I was a cnc operator when I was younger (just a button pusher), and I would be interested in learning how to machine things, make things, but the pay I see on indeed is literally less than most service jobs. Like why???? I moved to Des Moines and they have a tool and die maker degree and I thought that would be interesting, but the pay I see for these jobs is like $25 at most, with $18-$20 being average. I'm sorry but that's insulting to go to school for 2 years to learn a trade/skill and that's my endgame? It's bizarre to me that the skills to literally make anything is only worth $20 an hour.
@@hhjhj393 yeah. The problem with this skilled trade is that it can be exported to countries where the workers get paid two dollars an hour, don't have safe working conditions, and don't get benefits. The worst part is, to them, two dollars an hour is probably good money.
I can make just about anything, CNC Machinist specializing in prototype submarine parts and nuclear reactors. Only thing I can’t make is a living wage that allows me to go outside my 400sqft apartment.
Bro feel your pain machinist don't get paid enough. It's sad you can go work two part time jobs work 48 hours a week get two days off a bring home more money than working 48 hours at one job after taxes think bout that
I always find it funny when I try to explain to people what I do and they have no idea what it is. I tell them everything man made on this planet is thanks to a machinist from the food on your plate to the clothes on your back.
Hey, never forget, something will happen, you just hope it's what you want. And don't forget your G50 on every tool, or you'll start in the middle of the program one morning and spin it to the moon, ask me how I know, got very lucky it was a collet not a chuck.
Hahahahahahahah "Somebody call the cops" got me rolling, it's like when everyone in the room agrees you're overreacting for something but you're sure you're not and they just don't know, otherwise they'd take your side
As an engineer I pride myself on going to my machinists with only the most deranged and unreasonable machining tasks. >Yes, can I get this 1 foot alumina (not -um) tube cut in half... Lengthwise? >Thanks, yes. Tomorrow would be great!
4:19 I'm not a professional, but I must be SUPER lucky. I used a 3-axis CNC router, and when I put the bit in I didn't make it more than an inch. So there was this plunge cut that was over am inch. The machine goes for it, the collet gets stuck, and machine breaks. THANKFULLY it was just a popped 6A fuse, which you can get a pack of like 10 for $20 or something.
The frig? I’d rather simulate and know there’s one less thing that can go wrong than run fast and loose and have to fix a setup or do tool setup again bc I was lazy and in too much of a hurry.
Oh boy if you think cam programming is boring just wait until you have to make those programs without cam software, punching in and making every code yourself because the machine is a big old piece of garbage ;) Otherwise yes, this video is 100% right :D
Oh, its not boring, its just tedius as fuck. And once you finally get going you'll have a casual heart rate of 195 with a death grip on the Cycle stop button and feed rate knob.
@@Celciusify I always thought the emergency stop button should not be mounted above the spindle (as on older CNCs like the Bridgeport Series I and II vertical mills). Why not have the shut-off attached to a safety harness or a pressure plate and have it triggered when the machinist ran away? While running a much larger milling machine, I once had a part weighing over 300 pounds tear loose and spin around the boring bar. It was only a matter of time before the boring bar gave way. The last place I wanted to be was anywhere near that machine, but that's where the power cutoff was located.
I'm a CNC Machinist all the way from Brazil. (For those of you guys that just discovered CNC Machines, now you discovered a new country also). Worked with Lathes first and now with mills, and if i break a tool it's usually the value of my monthly income. And no, i don't need to pay their value in money, i just pay in mental health like a good machinist.
Haha oh man, I've been poorly explaining machining for over 2 decades, well done my guy. I do wish hollywood had more focus on manufacturing, I've watched a ton of your videos I had no idea you were a machinist. I don't know if you've seen it, but MTDCNC is doing a machine shop rescue series, they're on season 2. Full disclosure I do contract video work for them, the series is one reason I wanted in.
At my workplace we own a 3 axis CNC Machine for simple Metal working and mainly carving custom curcuit boards from a copper sheeted PCB plate. I can HEAVILY relate to the part where you're about to press "start" and your past 15 minutes of setting up the machine flashes before your eyes looking for a mistake you could've made.
yeah when i was working on a CNC punch i broke one of the dies because the guy setting up the triangular punch & die misaligned them by 180 degrees making it go bang like a shotgun, the die was worth 1 months worth of my income, scariest thing that happened to me ngl
in my first job as a cnc operator/programmer i forgot to had the tool compensation on the program, the result was a dead spindle and a bent linear rail, i was so ashamed that i quit on the spot that moment is carved in my mind with so much detail that if measured properly it could attain RA 0.3 finish roughness
You never forget your first real crash... ramming a 40mm diameter boring bar into the spindle because you were new and distracted by people talking to you was a very fun experience 😂
0:02 so I'm not allowed to be here? Or do I count as a machinist? I study Mechatronics Robotics at a university of applied sciences and I have had a few courses on manufacturing engineering and have used a cnc mill once. Still watching this video because why not.
There was that one machinist movie with Christian Bale, who lost like a whole swarf-bucket worth of weight for the role of a machinist, and it showed some other machinists doing machinist things. And then one of the machinists got all messed up in a machine. And then Christian Bale's machinist character kinda went way off the deep end or something? Can't think of the title but, was pretty cool I guess.
Machinist from germany here 👋🏻 Thats the absolut worst… you double an triple check everything and can never be safe that everything goes like you think. And the worst of all no matter how experienced you are…. You know in the next 5 years it is possible that a crash can happen… and it probably will happen… i f***ing love it
One movie that doesn't do a half bad job at showing machining is the first minute of Chort Circuit. But then again it's only like a minute, you see a mill doing its thing, you see the controller for a second, You see a lathe and that's it.
Well, if you’re starting an apprenticeship and you’re new to CAD software and cam software it’s actually very interesting to me. But I can see how it bore the hell out of my trainer sometimes 😂 but I’ve had so much fun learning all this stuff like I really love CNC and the manual too and surface grinding . We do all milling pretty much at the tool and dye shop I’m at. The only time we turn that lathe on is to face and turn some pillars for a mold or do a one off. We do a lot of mold fixing and replacing pins and things like that from machines on the other side where the mold people are that do that boring button pushing crap 😂 But truly, I love learning about the tooling, tool paths and the speeds and feeds and all of that stuff. I’ve really I picked the perfect career to start. I love it! I really do enjoy what I do ! And I think that’s important to a healthier lifestyle . And it only took a year and a half of college, which is awesome because I don’t owe much money. it took me a while to find the shop that I wanted to start my apprenticeship at this is the third shop, but I finally found the one that I love with the right trainers that are patient and actually know how to teach. I’m blessed with this shop. It’s a very good shop. It’s not huge. It’s a smaller shop, but it has great trainers constant work and a great environment This video is funny. Reminded me of me in some ways and reminded me a lot of some of the people at my shop 😂
That opening has me like a slap in the face because I'm guilty of it. Currently running my horizontal while drilling some stainless at the moment. The rest of this video just hasn't he called out. Ya bastard 😅
I went to school for Prototype and Design: I played with a lot of "toys": from table saws to mills to vacuum formers to lathes... the only tool you're not trained in is how to forge something with hammer (I ironicly do exactly that as a hobby). I never took the classes on cnc coding, but I know the horror of a broken tool and a what happens when you mess up zeros... neither are a fun day.
3:49 For those who know, machinists do not pray. They pucker. They pucker in places that you don't want to be that tightly puckered when they press that Cycle Start button. If a machinist is wrong, instantly, a $500 dollar cutting tool can go out the window. A week of dealys in production can happen as a service rep repairs the machine. All competitiveness in selling the part is instantly lost. Reputation is lost. The work material is destroyed. The machine itself can lose some precision that will be costly to reinstate. The crash is like watching a car crash. It is sudden and there often isn't time to react since CNC's operate at high speeds. The machinist revels in every single precision piece made. The fixturing that might be custom made might be damaged. The workload is usually high and the number of hours worked can be high. The code might be bad or some part of the setup might have been overlooked. It could have been because of a previous worker leaving a setting on that was modal and not mentioned while passing off the machine to the next worker. The machine will be tied up with the delay of fixing even a minor mistake. The economics of it has gone out the window. The machinist's confidence can be broken. The simple forgetting of one detail can be this costly. And so a machinist PUCKERS. If the CNC is enormous like a vertical lathe that is used to turn parts meant for enormous mining equipment....just the chip being cut from the metal can drag you into the machine and spaghettify you instantly in the same way a black hole does. This happened to a young machinist not far from where I lived. It caught his hoodie...with a stringer chip that flipped around. The chips can be like fifty foot long thick flexible razor blade whips. Some CNC machines are so large they can terrify even the most hardened veteran machinist into never wanting to work at that machine again. The forces involved are staggering and unexpected things can happen. Some CNC machines are so expensive that they can produce things that are impossible to make anywhere else in the world besides a few purpose built machines. You have to be highly trained and qualified to just look at the machine. Some materials and methods are expensive and exotic and take a lot of planning, and still do not work. Sometimes what you are told to machine has to have its blueprint sent back to the engineer or person pretending to be an engineer because there is no way to machine it and also hold the part steady, so it has to be redesigned. Tool choice can make you or break you. You had better be able to pick the best option among hundreds of variations for the job. Other employees can sabotage you by forgetting to mention they changed the tool assingments in the tool carousel. Being a machinist means you are not going to be paid for your highly technically demanding skill. You aren't just pressing a button and telling a program to run. You have to understand chip thinnning, metallurgy, and the dynamics of cooling and the exact way the cutting surface meets the metal, or the porcelain, or the space age alloy or any other bizarre number of materials you have to machine. Your employer expects you to get it right the first time even though your skills are on par with a jet pilots but your pay is on par with a bus driver's. The old guys in the room are snarky and are not going to help you and do not have time to train your nor to help you sort anything out. They are well past the bitter stage of being unappreicated for this demanding job. Explaining to people that they have to be able to understand also Geometric Dimmensioning and Tolerances and that mistakes and oversights on blueprints are half of the problem. If you are part of a production pipeline and you always will be ......all delays will be blamed upon you as being the bottleneck of the slow down in production. And these are the things which make us machinists mean.
@@machsuper And that is just an introduction to the list of difficulties, which completely ignores that with progressive operations the part is getting smaller and smaller and is more difficult to hold onto and might flex. This leaves out the dangers of surface grinders, and the ever present task of making sure chips are cleared and don't get between the tool and the workpiece.
Non machinists will never know the joy of running a first off and just as the tool comes into contact with the material someone else in the shop drops something with a loud bang. They did make a movie about machinists, The Machinist, it makes us look cools and normal
3:00 no the hardest part is not the programming, its the clamping and vibrations especiallyfor thin parts. You can easily check if the program is written wrong to cause a crash.
@@machsuper I'm so "antisocial" I don't like using T9 to text on my non-touchscreen brick phone, so sharing videos takes on a whoooole new meaning 🤣 I'll do it for you though buddy keep on keepin on!!
hey a question please. I am a newly freshly graduated manufacturing technician and i want to go from a machine operator to a method/machinist and i have a bachlor in design of aeronautical and automotive systems and don't know what should i persue as a master.
A colleague of mine forgot to enter the drill bit length in his program so the machine slammed the drill into the table. Who had just been made perfectly flat. He also came in drunk once from the night before, got sent home, forgot about the whole interaction and showed up again later.
As a machinist, I can see how confusing i can be when describing machining. I will now just tell people I control robots the size of an 1 bedroom apartment that cuts metal with a laser.
Mechanics work with dozens of tools. Machists work with hundreds of tools. YOu don't have to remember where you last put a tool but you also have to remember where your coworker last had that expensive tool. You have to work with other machinists often in tight quarters and you have to maintain concentration in a noisy environment. You have to be a choreographer because machinists are trying to attempt an efficiency of motion and cutting efficiently. You have to be able to do mathematics in your head and on the fly to five digits. You have to quickly access a 3000 page book and find the reference table you need on designing a new job. You design the job yourself and you have to have the most efficient approach when machining in high volume. One off machining jobs are time costly and are low profit but frequently put you behind. You have to watch tool wear. You have to watch for runout. In manual machining which you will also have to know as a CNC machinist you will become instantly aware of what backlash means and why you have to know the construction and limitations of the machine you are using on a level more intimately than you know your own manly package. You have to be listening and watching for chatter and instantly diagnose what you did wrong and instantly fix it. You will learn to make things snug and tight and operate on the narrowest of working envelopes to increase your precision and accuracy. You will be pushed to extremes for speed of set up and design of the job. Your head will want to explode and you won't have time to look for things you need. You will find some tasks eventually routine like double and triple checking everything to make sure it is rigid and solid. You will be hyper focused on every sound of the machine and grow a sixth sense on twelve different pecking styles for drilling and how and when to use them. You will be griping about how non rigid a setup is or how little space you have to give yourself in order to make the part. You will be PUCKERING every time that machine goes down to do a simple drilling operation. You will cringe when you see somebody just holding a measuring instrument improperly or where a person sets it down. You will yell if it is at the edge of a counter. Your diety will be Starret and you will worship those who have enough to have their own personal set of Starret measuring instruments. You will have all kinds of opinions about Haas and bemoan that there is not enough machine tool supremacy in your own country. You will cry and pucker up during staff meetings when the economics of the business are discussed. You will resent management who are not machinists and haven't a clue about what you do and mutter about the machining bottleneck. You will find parts you make as glorious works of craftsmanship even though it was automated. You designed the stages and processes with no fanfare. You will find your zen with the machine and hopefully don'[t become one with the machine as that is pretty gory.
Bit off topic ,but in your harmonic drive vid when you blued the teeth contact, did you take into account that the deformation of the part actually angling the teeth so they wont mesh exactly in line?
Oh yeah, I think I explained in more detail how inserting the wave generator might affect the shape and location of the contact as it does make an ‘oval based cone’ out of the flex spline.
Its funny that a 3d printer which is newer technology is used to help understand machinging. Also jugding by the commets im one of the few machinists making a good living.
I'm a CNC Machinist from Dallas, Texas. I can honestly say that I can make everything except a living
@@isaacmcmillen9246 How so? I've been in the trade for just over 20 years now. I've seen my pay go up steadily over that time. I'm well over 6 figures at my current shop.
True that brother
So true. Cnc machinist from green bay wi
I always thought skilled tradesmen made a lot of money, especially in Texas.
@@lbgstzockt8493 I'm in CA. Making 6 figures. Been in the trade a little over 20 years.
I'm a machinist "A mechanic?" I'm not having this conversation again
If I have to explain the difference, one MORE time... Idk, maybe cry quietly.
"I'm not going thru this, you're going to have to google it". That's the kind of thing I would end up saying. I have commercial quantities of cactus. I have quite a lot of knowledge and you quickly find out most people don't.
Yes you are
I'm a mechanical locksmith, it's the same concept but more archaic
Felt.
I'm TRIGGERED, literaly shaking while sitting watching this. I can still hear the tool changes and air hoses blowing in the distant past.
PTSD engaged
nothing like paying attention to every single sound with your hand quivering over the red stop button, hoping that you didnt fuck up with a tool clearance somehow
It's okay. Remember your safe space. Imagine the sound of the spindle returning and the table rapiding back home. You open the door and everything looks good. You measure the critical features, and everything comes back right in the middle of the tolerance. A warm feeling of calm washes over you.
@@bird5119 typed "G43 H6" instead of "G43 H19" once...had to sacrifice a nice piece of carbide to extract the form tap from the hole and then spend half an hour precisely turning a pin by hand to take to the welders.
@@Soundpost-f2l just think of how few people understand that lol.
I’m a machinist trapped in the body of an engineer. You’d think that would make me better at either engineering or machining but it actually just makes it impossible for me to have normal relationships or conversations.
Lmao I just left engineering to be a machinist, at least I have to talk to less people now
...so a technician?
@@D20Steelno, an engineer who spends way too much time hanging in the shop and watching hobby machinist UA-cam when I should be working.
Well add autism to this and you got my starter set 😂
The autism+engineer and or machinist combo goes wild@@Basement_CNC
Hottie: What do you do?
Machinist: I program robots.
Hottie: Oh can you fix my car?
Or us weird manual guys, we flip levers and pretend to be the robot.
Beep boop
We program tri-axial Cartesian robots that cut steel like butter, now let me tell you how many inches I could feed into you per minute.
@@ZappyOh oh yeah, I also know lots of mathematics..lol... 🤫
…”you’ll break a cheap tool worth a hundred bucks…or half your weeks salary” 🤣🤣🤣💀
I am a CNC integrator. I teach CNC machines how to talk to machinists. I think of ending my li#& several times every day. My clients think I'm on vacation for the past 5 months, but I'm actually recovering from a massive, massive, massive mental breakdown. I am currently hiring, btw.
Hope you get better soon
Machine tool repair mechanic here. I feel you
If that involves what I think it does, I’m sorry for you and I’m sorry people like me exist.
are you actually hiring? sounds kinda fun
I did that without even knowing what it was.
What did machinists ever do that was so great?
Answer: The entire industrial revolution, winning wars, and saving lives by making all of the critical parts to all of the equipment that brings you everything that you value.
Without machinists we are back to having black smiths and pulling plows with horses.
That's what.
Explaining cnc machining is hard enough. now try to understand my strugle to explane my work as an EDM-Threading machinist xD. The puzzled looks on peoples faces when i tell them i cut metal with a wire and electricity. Amazing
Lol … mic drop !
Sparky machinist
BLASPHEMOUS WIZARDRY IS WHAT EDM IS
EDM threading machinist sure is a weird way to say wire edm.
@@Properuppercut damn, there seem to be many version of electronic dance music I never heard of!
Great depiction of our trade/suffering/illness.
Only vague humour will do. Any serious detail and you’ll lose their attention.
Stefan, the Godfather of precision machining. Well more like the Godwinter actually..
CNC machining is underrated profession, it's complicated, takes responsibility, whole day looking at machine and metal, low pay. Only thing that is worth is starting your own CNC workshop.
Is it really that low pay? I'm just an apprentice so I get $20/hour and free classes at community college but the guys who are teaching me at work make like $80 or $100/hour.
@@kugelblitz1557 whoa, that is some fair pay for the job. In Bosnia and also Slovenia it's poorly paid, Slovenia around 1500 euros a month for bit experienced guy.
Cnc machinists pay varies greatly. Don’t expect as an operator to make fuck all for money. Setup operator makes marginally more. Tool and die or mold makers make a little more, almost a decent wage depending on the shop. Programmers make a bit more. Idk man maybe I’m too jaded lol
@@icuric4077 we mostly make parts for cigarette machines and packaging machines, so we'll get the same orders of parts every few months when they make a new one . Most of the parts are 1-10x per job so they're expensive compared to ones where you make hundreds or thousands. My mentors have been at it since the eighties or nineties so they're pretty fast at it. That's the little prototrak/ez-trak machines though. I have no clue what our guy on the big Haas and Okuma machines makes. He handles more of the jobs that need fifty plus of the same part or ones with super tight tolerances.
@@nwfpv8681 are there that many different categories between operator and setup and programmer? At all the shops I've visited and the one I work at seem to have a system where one or two dudes are in charge of operating any given machine. That includes looking at the drawing, planning operations, finding stock, telling the office what to order if necessary, programming, setting up and running it.
FIRST 10 SECONDS I have been called out, and thoroughly shooketh
Watched the rest and my spirt has left my body, the mutual problem solving part really hit home.
Ha! Exposed! XD
Trained and experienced CNC- machinist here: Excellent video to bring it casually! Good example with the wood. A lot of makers are buying a cheap CNC machine or even modify an existing one to make it a CNC-Machine to cut some nice wooden pieces. But yea the ones I know respect me for knowing how to cut metal, because that's just an entire different story. Only thing lacking in this video is the importance of how to hold you workpiece. I mean it's easy to clamp a square block. That's mostly not the case though. Especially if you have an existing part and you are asked to 'just remove a bit of that surface'. :D
That’s true. Work holding really did deserve its own bit.
First 10 seconds is like: Okay... Spindle is still in one piece... Nothing moved... Machine didn't break in half yet... Alright let it go thennnnn... Okay no scary sounds we're good to go... I think
Going good
"Hi how are ya?"
* Near heart attack *
Literally had that thought process go through my mind every time I hit that stupid green button
@@simonbelmont6739the classic machinists lean, trying to find a comfortable position to watch the job and keep a hand on the feed hold
That half you pay check comment was spot on lol. Love machining, but it doesn't pay so I have to move on to something that will allow me to buy my own machines and start my own machining business. The straw that broke the camels back was when I went to Subway to get food and they had a sign out that said, "Hiring now, part time/ full time, starting at 18$ an hour" Which is what I was making until a year ago. You would think a person that can hold tenths (.0001") tolerances on manual and cnc machines would get paid a decent amount more than a "sandwich artist" at a fast food joint.
Then you're machining the wrong material. Clamp some lettuce and bread and set the feedrate. :) Leave no sandwich out of spec!
That's what I'm saying.... Machining sounds fun, I was a cnc operator when I was younger (just a button pusher), and I would be interested in learning how to machine things, make things, but the pay I see on indeed is literally less than most service jobs. Like why????
I moved to Des Moines and they have a tool and die maker degree and I thought that would be interesting, but the pay I see for these jobs is like $25 at most, with $18-$20 being average.
I'm sorry but that's insulting to go to school for 2 years to learn a trade/skill and that's my endgame?
It's bizarre to me that the skills to literally make anything is only worth $20 an hour.
@@hhjhj393 yeah. The problem with this skilled trade is that it can be exported to countries where the workers get paid two dollars an hour, don't have safe working conditions, and don't get benefits. The worst part is, to them, two dollars an hour is probably good money.
As a guy living in South Africa I can attest, although safety and working conditions are up to par beginning pay is $4.50ph
@@d.v483 Is 4.50 considered decent pay relative to other Jobs there?
I can make just about anything, CNC Machinist specializing in prototype submarine parts and nuclear reactors. Only thing I can’t make is a living wage that allows me to go outside my 400sqft apartment.
Bro feel your pain machinist don't get paid enough. It's sad you can go work two part time jobs work 48 hours a week get two days off a bring home more money than working 48 hours at one job after taxes think bout that
Nice pfp
Was a CNC apprentice for about 2 months and after all my hard work and knowledge I can proudly say im now a welder.
I always find it funny when I try to explain to people what I do and they have no idea what it is. I tell them everything man made on this planet is thanks to a machinist from the food on your plate to the clothes on your back.
To be fair, a machinist would only last a few weeks without food too, so that's also kind of important
0:29 coordinate system is wrong
Hah yeah you're right. Swap the x and y.
it’s a left handed coordinate system
Stuck in bottom plane, he'll switch back soon enough
4:11 thanks for reminding me of *_that_* video 💀
Hahahaha every time I touch a lathe, man. Every time!
After seeing this comment I looked it up and now Im thinking about changing fields
Its a good lesson
But teribible for your mental wel being
If that was of any concern
Well that was fucking horrifying
Thanks!!
Hahaha i know the video from the comments alone.
I’m a Machinist with 30 plus years experience. A “CNC Machinist” is a small part of the occupation.
Wow
He was right about machinists
3:50 How my lathe buddy sees me when he comes over to see whats up and he says I need to go to church gets some faith and hit the go button.
Hey, never forget, something will happen, you just hope it's what you want. And don't forget your G50 on every tool, or you'll start in the middle of the program one morning and spin it to the moon, ask me how I know, got very lucky it was a collet not a chuck.
I'm 19, learning how to design properly, measure and run programs, and I found this really explanatory of what I get about cnc machining, kinda fun
Somebody call the cops, 7 seconds in and I'm already being attacked
Hahahahahahahah "Somebody call the cops" got me rolling, it's like when everyone in the room agrees you're overreacting for something but you're sure you're not and they just don't know, otherwise they'd take your side
As an engineer I pride myself on going to my machinists with only the most deranged and unreasonable machining tasks.
>Yes, can I get this 1 foot alumina (not -um) tube cut in half... Lengthwise?
>Thanks, yes. Tomorrow would be great!
😠
@@machsuper do you really want the same "can I get this broken bolt extracted?" Jobs every day?
4:19 I'm not a professional, but I must be SUPER lucky. I used a 3-axis CNC router, and when I put the bit in I didn't make it more than an inch. So there was this plunge cut that was over am inch. The machine goes for it, the collet gets stuck, and machine breaks. THANKFULLY it was just a popped 6A fuse, which you can get a pack of like 10 for $20 or something.
Thank you - I've saved this for the future when I eventually meet someone who cares enough to ask me about what I think about. 👍😎👍
Dead cold
Machinists will do anything but simulate gcode
It’s just one step too many. We have to draw the line somewhere.
The frig? I’d rather simulate and know there’s one less thing that can go wrong than run fast and loose and have to fix a setup or do tool setup again bc I was lazy and in too much of a hurry.
What are you talking about lol that's what you do when you're making real parts
@Dillybar777 Simulating or not simulating?
@@machsuper simulating! 2 minutes on verify saves hours of wasted machine time
Oh boy if you think cam programming is boring just wait until you have to make those programs without cam software, punching in and making every code yourself because the machine is a big old piece of garbage ;)
Otherwise yes, this video is 100% right :D
The Old Way was the only way when I started in the industry.
@@gaiustacitus4242 It is still the only way for me, unless I wanna get going on one of the manual machines
Oh, its not boring, its just tedius as fuck.
And once you finally get going you'll have a casual heart rate of 195 with a death grip on the Cycle stop button and feed rate knob.
@@Celciusify I always thought the emergency stop button should not be mounted above the spindle (as on older CNCs like the Bridgeport Series I and II vertical mills). Why not have the shut-off attached to a safety harness or a pressure plate and have it triggered when the machinist ran away?
While running a much larger milling machine, I once had a part weighing over 300 pounds tear loose and spin around the boring bar. It was only a matter of time before the boring bar gave way. The last place I wanted to be was anywhere near that machine, but that's where the power cutoff was located.
@@Erik_Blomgren what model of machine is that if I may ask?
i'm wasting time watching your cnc video, while my cnc ia running😂✌️🍺
*BANG ‼️ SCREEEEEECH ‼️*
😳…
Ist es nicht etwas spät gewesen?
@@faultboy what? i don`t get that..
Same
Hehe spindle go brrr!
M3 S12000
G0 Z-1000
@@Guranga93 That migh hurt A LOT. lol
@@Guranga93 BA=0
@@Guranga93rofl
*sitting in office on SW*
Boom!
*Shts pants*
@@Guranga93 "This one trick that all g-code users don't want you to know!"
3:15 after 18 years at a black screen of a linux terminal i cannot tell you how interesting CAM software is 😂super satisfying too
But is it fun watching someone else use CAM?
Dont forget the weird machinist puns and jokey gcode references.
" all right bye, I'm gonna G28"
Ahhh missed opportunity! I need to M30.
What is the only thing 2 machinists can agree on?
That the third machinist is doing it wrong.
Also applies to welders, electricians, plumbers, framers, masons, drywallers, and probably about 50 other trades.
Umm I’m a Mason but my job title is machinist.
I'm a CNC Machinist all the way from Brazil. (For those of you guys that just discovered CNC Machines, now you discovered a new country also). Worked with Lathes first and now with mills, and if i break a tool it's usually the value of my monthly income. And no, i don't need to pay their value in money, i just pay in mental health like a good machinist.
Me: I work in tool & die"
Them: oh what colors do you dye screw drivers?
Haha oh man, I've been poorly explaining machining for over 2 decades, well done my guy.
I do wish hollywood had more focus on manufacturing, I've watched a ton of your videos I had no idea you were a machinist.
I don't know if you've seen it, but MTDCNC is doing a machine shop rescue series, they're on season 2. Full disclosure I do contract video work for them, the series is one reason I wanted in.
Starting as a cnc master machinist (the teacher to cnc apprentices) next month and cant wait. CNC machining is totally awesome.
Me trying to casually explain my 6 axis grinder (X,Y,Z,A,B,Y2) 😴
Im a welder that has alot of manual machining experience. I liked this video
this is NOT casually explained
Sorry sir, I'll be more serious about casually explaining correctly next time.
"we don't need casually explained, we have casually explained at home" .... that or "when you order casually explained from wish"
At my workplace we own a 3 axis CNC Machine for simple Metal working and mainly carving custom curcuit boards from a copper sheeted PCB plate.
I can HEAVILY relate to the part where you're about to press "start" and your past 15 minutes of setting up the machine flashes before your eyes looking for a mistake you could've made.
yeah when i was working on a CNC punch i broke one of the dies because the guy setting up the triangular punch & die misaligned them by 180 degrees making it go bang like a shotgun, the die was worth 1 months worth of my income, scariest thing that happened to me ngl
Nice video dude! You should make more like this!!!!
“Yesn’t” 😂
The This Old Tony cameo at the top of the recommended videos is too accurate LOL
in my first job as a cnc operator/programmer i forgot to had the tool compensation on the program, the result was a dead spindle and a bent linear rail, i was so ashamed that i quit on the spot that moment is carved in my mind with so much detail that if measured properly it could attain RA 0.3 finish roughness
I crashed the 5-acie machine last month and I still haven't recovered. I wake up in the middle of the night thinking about it 😅
Ohhh no no noo
You will live, the world may never be the same, but the world WILL keep turning. Hang in there.
You never forget your first real crash... ramming a 40mm diameter boring bar into the spindle because you were new and distracted by people talking to you was a very fun experience 😂
I am not even 10 seconds in and i'm mad xD absolute legend
0:02 so I'm not allowed to be here? Or do I count as a machinist? I study Mechatronics Robotics at a university of applied sciences and I have had a few courses on manufacturing engineering and have used a cnc mill once. Still watching this video because why not.
You can watch it but you definitely should not call yourself a machinist. Maybe run that CNC a few dozen more times at least.
@@korbynnull7666 I know lol, it wasn't meant seriously
CNC machinist in QLD Australia, you hit the nail on the head, explaining what we do I usually say "I make chips"
I’m a CNC grinder and that pause before pressing Go is so real! Stomach does a flip with every G0 on a new program without a slow federate though XD
Oh man, the anxiety of smashing a CNC grinder must be intense!
thousand yard stare 4:38
Oh my god you FINALLY put it into words
“So what do you do for work?”
Its at this point I usually pause and take a breath before saying “its hard to explain”
There was that one machinist movie with Christian Bale, who lost like a whole swarf-bucket worth of weight for the role of a machinist, and it showed some other machinists doing machinist things. And then one of the machinists got all messed up in a machine. And then Christian Bale's machinist character kinda went way off the deep end or something?
Can't think of the title but, was pretty cool I guess.
Bruh, I got called out in the first ten seconds.
2:35 did not expect such an obscure simpsons reference lol
Hahaha I’m so glad you got it
8 seconds in and I feel personally attacked. I say as I watch this while my machine runs
Machinist from germany here 👋🏻
Thats the absolut worst… you double an triple check everything and can never be safe that everything goes like you think.
And the worst of all no matter how experienced you are…. You know in the next 5 years it is possible that a crash can happen… and it probably will happen… i f***ing love it
I feel attacked and require a coffee and a safe space
One movie that doesn't do a half bad job at showing machining is the first minute of Chort Circuit. But then again it's only like a minute, you see a mill doing its thing, you see the controller for a second, You see a lathe and that's it.
This is spot on lol. Especially the part where you said people think cnc machines are like 3d printers.
That’s what I needed today going into my projects! 🎉
thats perfect! (machinist for 25+ years)
Well, if you’re starting an apprenticeship and you’re new to CAD software and cam software it’s actually very interesting to me.
But I can see how it bore the hell out of my trainer sometimes 😂
but I’ve had so much fun learning all this stuff like I really love CNC and the manual too and surface grinding .
We do all milling pretty much at the tool and dye shop I’m at.
The only time we turn that lathe on is to face and turn some pillars for a mold or do a one off.
We do a lot of mold fixing and replacing pins and things like that from machines on the other side where the mold people are that do that boring button pushing crap 😂
But truly, I love learning about the tooling, tool paths and the speeds and feeds and all of that stuff. I’ve really I picked the perfect career to start. I love it!
I really do enjoy what I do !
And I think that’s important to a healthier lifestyle .
And it only took a year and a half of college, which is awesome because I don’t owe much money.
it took me a while to find the shop that I wanted to start my apprenticeship at this is the third shop, but I finally found the one that I love with the right trainers that are patient and actually know how to teach.
I’m blessed with this shop. It’s a very good shop. It’s not huge. It’s a smaller shop, but it has great trainers constant work and a great environment
This video is funny.
Reminded me of me in some ways and reminded me a lot of some of the people at my shop 😂
Very funny ^^ I also love casually explained
I hate how accurate this is
i was sitting here for a good minute staring at the title and thumbnail, wondering what the hell a machine had to do with consensual non-consent
I was sitting here for a good minute baked, thinking about your comment then gradually laughing louder and falling in love with your comment.
That opening has me like a slap in the face because I'm guilty of it. Currently running my horizontal while drilling some stainless at the moment. The rest of this video just hasn't he called out. Ya bastard 😅
I went to school for Prototype and Design: I played with a lot of "toys": from table saws to mills to vacuum formers to lathes... the only tool you're not trained in is how to forge something with hammer (I ironicly do exactly that as a hobby).
I never took the classes on cnc coding, but I know the horror of a broken tool and a what happens when you mess up zeros... neither are a fun day.
3:49 For those who know, machinists do not pray. They pucker. They pucker in places that you don't want to be that tightly puckered when they press that Cycle Start button.
If a machinist is wrong, instantly, a $500 dollar cutting tool can go out the window. A week of dealys in production can happen as a service rep repairs the machine. All competitiveness in selling the part is instantly lost. Reputation is lost. The work material is destroyed. The machine itself can lose some precision that will be costly to reinstate. The crash is like watching a car crash. It is sudden and there often isn't time to react since CNC's operate at high speeds.
The machinist revels in every single precision piece made. The fixturing that might be custom made might be damaged. The workload is usually high and the number of hours worked can be high. The code might be bad or some part of the setup might have been overlooked. It could have been because of a previous worker leaving a setting on that was modal and not mentioned while passing off the machine to the next worker.
The machine will be tied up with the delay of fixing even a minor mistake. The economics of it has gone out the window. The machinist's confidence can be broken.
The simple forgetting of one detail can be this costly.
And so a machinist PUCKERS.
If the CNC is enormous like a vertical lathe that is used to turn parts meant for enormous mining equipment....just the chip being cut from the metal can drag you into the machine and spaghettify you instantly in the same way a black hole does. This happened to a young machinist not far from where I lived. It caught his hoodie...with a stringer chip that flipped around.
The chips can be like fifty foot long thick flexible razor blade whips.
Some CNC machines are so large they can terrify even the most hardened veteran machinist into never wanting to work at that machine again. The forces involved are staggering and unexpected things can happen.
Some CNC machines are so expensive that they can produce things that are impossible to make anywhere else in the world besides a few purpose built machines. You have to be highly trained and qualified to just look at the machine.
Some materials and methods are expensive and exotic and take a lot of planning, and still do not work.
Sometimes what you are told to machine has to have its blueprint sent back to the engineer or person pretending to be an engineer because there is no way to machine it and also hold the part steady, so it has to be redesigned.
Tool choice can make you or break you. You had better be able to pick the best option among hundreds of variations for the job.
Other employees can sabotage you by forgetting to mention they changed the tool assingments in the tool carousel.
Being a machinist means you are not going to be paid for your highly technically demanding skill. You aren't just pressing a button and telling a program to run.
You have to understand chip thinnning, metallurgy, and the dynamics of cooling and the exact way the cutting surface meets the metal, or the porcelain, or the space age alloy or any other bizarre number of materials you have to machine.
Your employer expects you to get it right the first time even though your skills are on par with a jet pilots but your pay is on par with a bus driver's.
The old guys in the room are snarky and are not going to help you and do not have time to train your nor to help you sort anything out. They are well past the bitter stage of being unappreicated for this demanding job.
Explaining to people that they have to be able to understand also Geometric Dimmensioning and Tolerances and that mistakes and oversights on blueprints are half of the problem.
If you are part of a production pipeline and you always will be ......all delays will be blamed upon you as being the bottleneck of the slow down in production.
And these are the things which make us machinists mean.
Incredible description of what actually makes it hard. I might make a video about all this!
@@machsuper And that is just an introduction to the list of difficulties, which completely ignores that with progressive operations the part is getting smaller and smaller and is more difficult to hold onto and might flex. This leaves out the dangers of surface grinders, and the ever present task of making sure chips are cleared and don't get between the tool and the workpiece.
This is incredibly accurate. The fear never goes away.
An ultra-precision metal sculptor who trains robots to do his job. And every time they do something wrong, it's your fault and you lose money.
Non machinists will never know the joy of running a first off and just as the tool comes into contact with the material someone else in the shop drops something with a loud bang. They did make a movie about machinists, The Machinist, it makes us look cools and normal
Haha casual This old Tony thumbnail in the background 3:23
Hahaha yeah he's pretty good hey?
@@machsuper Yeah he is the Goat, great stuff on there. You too by the way, keep up it up!
@@machsuper Hey! From which channel is the 3rd thumbnail (the rocket engine) ?
@@MrLP10o ua-cam.com/video/nP9OaYUjvdE/v-deo.html
3:00 no the hardest part is not the programming, its the clamping and vibrations especiallyfor thin parts. You can easily check if the program is written wrong to cause a crash.
I saved this video to share with people knowing that I'll probably never put in the effort to look it back up and share it. Absolutely hilarious 🤣🤣
Yes give me free views 😄
@@machsuper I'm so "antisocial" I don't like using T9 to text on my non-touchscreen brick phone, so sharing videos takes on a whoooole new meaning 🤣 I'll do it for you though buddy keep on keepin on!!
hey a question please.
I am a newly freshly graduated manufacturing technician and i want to go from a machine operator to a method/machinist and i have a bachlor in design of aeronautical and automotive systems and don't know what should i persue as a master.
A colleague of mine forgot to enter the drill bit length in his program so the machine slammed the drill into the table. Who had just been made perfectly flat.
He also came in drunk once from the night before, got sent home, forgot about the whole interaction and showed up again later.
2:38 is that the drawing milhouses dad does of dignity?
Oh the mill stopped to change the coolant filter? Just reset the program and hit cycle start from the position it's in (SMASHING SOUNDS)
As a machinist, I can see how confusing i can be when describing machining. I will now just tell people I control robots the size of an 1 bedroom apartment that cuts metal with a laser.
cnc machining will convert any to the religion of the omnissiah.
Everything is very precisely and clearly described👌👍
I have a feeling he hates 3D printers
I do and I don’t.
I might start sharing this with dudes that dont get it :)
This one hit close to home.
Mechanics work with dozens of tools.
Machists work with hundreds of tools.
YOu don't have to remember where you last put a tool but you also have to remember where your coworker last had that expensive tool.
You have to work with other machinists often in tight quarters and you have to maintain concentration in a noisy environment.
You have to be a choreographer because machinists are trying to attempt an efficiency of motion and cutting efficiently.
You have to be able to do mathematics in your head and on the fly to five digits.
You have to quickly access a 3000 page book and find the reference table you need on designing a new job.
You design the job yourself and you have to have the most efficient approach when machining in high volume.
One off machining jobs are time costly and are low profit but frequently put you behind.
You have to watch tool wear. You have to watch for runout.
In manual machining which you will also have to know as a CNC machinist you will become instantly aware of what backlash means and why you have to know the construction and limitations of the machine you are using on a level more intimately than you know your own manly package.
You have to be listening and watching for chatter and instantly diagnose what you did wrong and instantly fix it.
You will learn to make things snug and tight and operate on the narrowest of working envelopes to increase your precision and accuracy.
You will be pushed to extremes for speed of set up and design of the job. Your head will want to explode and you won't have time to look for things you need.
You will find some tasks eventually routine like double and triple checking everything to make sure it is rigid and solid.
You will be hyper focused on every sound of the machine and grow a sixth sense on twelve different pecking styles for drilling and how and when to use them.
You will be griping about how non rigid a setup is or how little space you have to give yourself in order to make the part.
You will be PUCKERING every time that machine goes down to do a simple drilling operation.
You will cringe when you see somebody just holding a measuring instrument improperly or where a person sets it down. You will yell if it is at the edge of a counter.
Your diety will be Starret and you will worship those who have enough to have their own personal set of Starret measuring instruments.
You will have all kinds of opinions about Haas and bemoan that there is not enough machine tool supremacy in your own country.
You will cry and pucker up during staff meetings when the economics of the business are discussed.
You will resent management who are not machinists and haven't a clue about what you do and mutter about the machining bottleneck.
You will find parts you make as glorious works of craftsmanship even though it was automated. You designed the stages and processes with no fanfare.
You will find your zen with the machine and hopefully don'[t become one with the machine as that is pretty gory.
Watching this at work while running a 3-axis Haas mill. The algorithm knows.
Bit off topic ,but in your harmonic drive vid when you blued the teeth contact, did you take into account that the deformation of the part actually angling the teeth so they wont mesh exactly in line?
Oh yeah, I think I explained in more detail how inserting the wave generator might affect the shape and location of the contact as it does make an ‘oval based cone’ out of the flex spline.
I usually just say that i cut things out of metal and they sort of kinda maybe understand.
Close your eyes and imagine the sound of you catastrophically crashing your 9-axis CNC mill along with your hopes, dreams, and career.
always hit start on a new program with overrides set to 0% 😬
I like that one too.
Oh yeah, that prayer before the machine starts 😂
Way better joke for the intro would have been that you're a G code developer, but you could always try being a G spot developer
where is the mikron ume 600 shot from?
Its funny that a 3d printer which is newer technology is used to help understand machinging. Also jugding by the commets im one of the few machinists making a good living.
1:18 only 10 times? Try closer to 100 times.
10x just as a starting point
You can grab second hand cnc lathes of auctuon sites for lik $8000
I thought this was the casually explained UA-cam channel, the other guy who uses this style already