Prophet 10 Overview - The Beauty is in the subtleties
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Hi UA-cam! I’m definitely new to the UA-cam creator scene but here’s my go at a first video.
In this video I touch on some of my favorite Prophet 5/10 features and why I love them so much. I always find it hard to find music gear videos that show a product in the ways I like to use them so maybe there are a few of you out there like me!
Like pouring Aunt Jemima on a stack of hot flapjacks.
If you have'nt listened to the band Japan and specifically the two albums Gentlemen Take Polaroids and Tin Drum. I highly recommend you do. Richard Barbieri, David Sylvian with the help of Ruichi Sakamoto create /coax the most sublime sounds and tones from a Prophet-5. Especially listen to the song Ghosts.....ridiculously beautiful.
Hadn't actually listened to them before this comment was posted but I am loving their synth sounds! Thanks for the rec!
Yes, I loved that track - but it's nearly 40 years old. I find it frustrating that everybody's hung up on the 80s still.
@@jeffblack5024 Hung up....NO. Plenty of crap in that era. I brought up Sylvian/Barbieri strictly in regard to the sounds they coaxed out of the P5...to me they were in a league above so many others. Screw the Sync, Brass etc redundancies in so many songs of that era. Hell, I become ill hearing Howard Jones clown schooling with the Jupiter-8........ 🚑🚑🚑🚑
dude, Sakamoto is an absolute beast on the Prophet 5. anyone reading should listen to YMO!
I ssaw Japan 5 times live in the 80's, amazing band, owned a prophet myself.
We inherited a like-new 1980s Prophet 10 with double keyboards. Seems to be in perfect condition.
I wonder why everybody's approach isn't more like your approach. Really nice take on the Prophet 10 and finally some sounds I wanted to hear come out of it!
Nice first video man, and some nice tips.... I have a rev 3.3 (with the Rev -1 mod) and I've always appreciated the Sustain pedal for being able to do the EP trick you mentioned. My favorite sound trick is done by taking the the 2nd VCO and using it as an LFO to Poly Mod the PW of the first VCO with a triangle wave that tracks the keyboard to vary the PW for every note in a chord. Gives the sound an organic vibe and some real nice interplay chording.
These are things that modern synths can do, but the P5 does them instinctively because of the voice architecture so it's great to take something from the P5 and apply it to a modern workstation, like routing the sustain pedal to the release time and not the sustain gives a way better EP effect. On most modern workstations, the sustain pedal is automatically mod routed to the sustaine level, so you have to max out the envelope delay time while pysically sustaining a chord, zero level the sustain (not always necessary but just in case I usually do it) and then mod-matrix route the sustain pedal to the envelope release time.
Oooh yes. Polymod must have been a game changer back in the day when it was first introduced! I think you're right though. I need to mess with using it on the pw more. I usually use it as freq or filter and often forget how cool pwm can sound (especially with key tracking) I'll need to give that a go. Thanks for the tip!
Also super jelly of that rev 3.3 :)
I love this synth and your video was very inspiring! Thanks a lot!
Excellent deeper look into this synth. Thank you for making this!
Some beautiful sounds brother! As others have commented I would love to see your approach to patching the Rhodes sounds and also the organ sounds you mentioned! The blend of noise mod and multiple lfo shapes on freq was beautiful and I will definately be utilising that!. Will also be getting myself a pedal for the control on release as it really does make the EP sounds so gorgeous! Thanks so much!
Love it. I want to see more patches from scratch. And honestly playing advice / techniques / practice techniques
I really enjoyed the two videos you have on your UA-cam channel, I'm hoping we can get to hear more of your music and more sounds from this beautiful synthesizer
Great demo dude. Like your style so please keep ‘em coming.
Thanks so much! I plan on doing more!
Love this synth, you demonstrated some unique qualities of this instrument that I like very much. Thanks!
Sounds so vibey, love it.. great video and music btw! Had no idea that the sustain could be linked to trigger the release or that you could CC map any of the functions. Would love to see you modulate from other sources/your own LFOs 😍
Thanks!! Yeah it’s a whole new world when you map midi envelopes and lfos and it’s super simple to do. I will definitely make a video of it soon!
and yes definitely keep the prophet 5/ 10 videos coming please!
Woooow man. 🎉 thank you so much, those are exactly the things i was thinking about cause i‘d like to buy one. Didn‘t know it had a e-piano sound
Great job on the video, awesome synth. I have the 5, and the OBX8. They compliment each other very well
Nice, me too!
The sustain release is so nice, I’ve never heard of it before.
Prophet 10 is just Delicious .
Every Drop of that Fat Warm Iconic Sound . A must have Keyboard.
just found this clip/page. keep it up man this was great. That first sound you chilled on was amazing. we all know so many pedals are trying to get that vibe and here the P10 just does that haha
Enjoyed the video, learned some things, please keep exploring the Prophet 10 in more videos!
you have a passion just go for it, P10 is such a great unit I have the desktop version but I’ve not really delved in yet
Yeah man!! Subbed!!
Thanks man! Love your content!!
Celebrity in the chat! 🎉
Really cool video. I have to check out the noise modulation more, it sounds really cool. I have a Prophet-5 and think about getting the voice expansion board.
dude - 16:00 - suuuuuper innervisions vibes. beautiful chord/melody selections. and yeah, the synth sounds great too!
Thanks dude! That means a lot!!
I was slightly skeptical during the noisy and maybe a bit meandering opening, but this ended up being an excellent video! I'll definitely be trying out the sustain pedal tip, and like many others, would be very interested in a tutorial for your piano/organ patches and/or buying a patch pack (ideally along with some patch notes to learn from). Looking forward to future videos!
Thanks a lot! Yeah I'm still trying to figure out the best way to track audio properly for these videos. Realizing that I probably need to get a second mic stand as I am currently using my only stand to hold my camera haha I also totally screwed up this first video's audio capture because It all was going straight to the camera which I am no longer doing :D
I have my first bank of "synth keys" available finally! I am making a basic tutorial video on how I make those sorts of patches and will also explain where and how to purchase my presets for anyone who wants to skip the work part.
@@synthshapes That's great news! I was playing around with it some starting from preset 533 yesterday, but some advice in the form of a tutorial would be very helpful.
Great first video! Great first video, Brody!
Your synth sounds sooooo nice!!
Thanks so much! :D
I like to see the Prophet next to an Oberheim OB-XA. Two of the most beautiful synthesizers!
Yes! I would love an OB-XA
Fantastic overview! Thanks for sharing!!
this will be the video that convinced me! well done
Welcome to the bubble! Great vid explaining your thoughts on the intstrument and I totally agree. As a fellow prophet 10 owner looking forward to your vids and music!
One of this edition’s winning attributes is something that the original P10 from 1980 was capable of, the split bass you demonstrated. For those of us that play live instead of always attaching our synthesizers to a DAW or a hardware sequencer, that kind of patch is definitely of some value.
Oh man! those taped electric pianos are incredible! I wonder if you can make a similar preset for the Arturia Prophet...
That lo-fi effect is awesome.
I am so torn between buying the P10R4 the OB-X8 and the 3rd wave.
Mmm that OB-X8 dude I wish I had one
@@synthshapes Tomorrow mine comes. More nervous then excited.
@@pixelperfecttv1162 what did you end up getting??
@@synthshapes OB-X8
@@pixelperfecttv1162 dude nice!! You’ll have to tell me how it is!
Those electric pianos are great . Wow , that surprised me 😊
Awesome video!
beautiful
Great video thank you
thank you for making this video!
gotta show us how you make some of these sounds man! the piano ones are great
I will do a followup video tutorial for sure!
thanks for the in depth video, looking forward to your future uploads
Synth Shapes… I also find myself limiting voices… my grandfather’s old Yamaha PS-7 had a sustain pedal, now I wish I kept it.
I find useful To choose the LFO’s dependent/ determinant on the mark of exact drop of wave shape cycle to express the desired multiplication or phase modulation. at the end of the cycle…
Pan Delay: Saw from a slow .06 ~ 1.00 ~ 1.83 Hz
LFO Frequency phases I like can be at:
2.75; 3.75; (0.06 ~ 0.07 single wave cycle)on Tri can be useful for Pitch and Amp)
Other Single Wave Cycles:
Random: @ 0.12Hz
Square: @ 0.04Hz ~ 0.06 Hz
Pulse can inherently be utilized as a CV signal and thusly modulate (ie. LFO, Envelope) to perform different tasks.
Try programming a Calliope!
A cross between a bowed String; Organ; Flute; Piano in one
Flute in Bass Register are great for ForceField or Tesla texture.
Whenever I learn Of a new modulation matrix routing pertaining to a vintage or new synthesizer…
All Saws or all Sines are great for ghostly patches…
These videos are really helpful on determining whether or not I want to get a Prophet 6 or a Prophet 10.
I love that that warply saturated tape sound you can get on the 10, in your experience is that a song you are able to get on the Prophet 6 as well?
Because that is a a deal breaker for me.
I love that sound
Appreciate the love!
I think the main difference is that the P6 doesn't have the ability to soften the noise modulation. What I mean is that on the p5/10 you can blend it with the actual lfo shape to make it nice and subtle. On the p6, you can't because to do noise modulation -- you have to set the lfo to random with a speed of 100% and it sounds "OK" but unfortunately I can't get it to sound organic really. It is much more aggressive imo.
complete. So I put a few videos up to show what i've got so far, and i'm hoping that soone will take the ti to watch them, let
Nice work on this video :)
i have a P10 keyboard now! lol good deal on a new one.
heh heh welcome to the club bro 🤓
Very nice exploration! Go on !
Should I get a 5 or a 10? It’s going to be my one synth and I’m not gonna sell it. Eventually I’ll get a Jupiter or a Juno X also (Love Roland synth tones, love the new Arpeggiator x). But I’m starting with a Prophet
I recommend the 5. It sounds and functions the same as the 10 but it's a cheaper entry gate. Then if you really want the extra voices, you can get the voice expansion and wa-la, the prophet 5 becomes a 10 :)
Yo cool video, very informative and entertaining good luck in your youtube career
Yeah the prophet 10 is dope
nice to see someone new doing p5/10 videos. i'm hoping to have a 10 keyboard in the next month or two. i have a tempest, tetra, rev2, and a P3. the rev2 is my best friend. it's an underated amazing synth imo. i've been wanting a p10 for a long time. i need the 10 for them thick chords lol. i never knew about using the pedal on release. i use the pedal on the rev2 always. in split mode, are you able to allocate how many voices on each side? like say 3 on the left 7 on the right?
I love the rev2. Such a killer sound design monster. Also I want a P3 so bad! Tempted to trade my P1 for one haha
@@synthshapes i just seen the p1 back there at the end of the video. hopefully you do a video on that too. i like your style of playing. j3po and nick semrad sold me on the p10.
@@synthshapes Really loving those vibey Prophet 10 keys..
Definitely go for a Pro 3 and go Special edition it´s so well built and tilting the control panel is awesome just a classic.. I really don't need any other Mono I think its Daves greatest design of any of his synths he put his soul in this one you can tell.. Very Cool! Yeah Rev 2 for sound design is great.
I was holding my phone speaker close to my ear at 11:52 to hear the modulation when suddenly the loud ass noise pearced my eardrums😂😂😂
your appreciation comes across :)
Nice demonstration
Hey Brody! Great video, considering a Prophet 10 now. Where are you located?
Seattle! Come grab a coffee haha
I would gladly pay for some multisample recordings of some of your patches
I plan on making some for sure! I'll keep you posted :D
Can you explain how you're using the sustain pedal to be connected to release time? Great video and wow that P10 sounds amazing!
The prophet 5 / 10 have the ability to set the (hold) function to either release OR sustain. It's a global setting. I like using these soft piano settings with it set to the release.
No sample and hold function? I don't see one here but might be wrong......
Nice and useful video. Would love to know the settings for your patches! You get a great ep sound
Thanks so much! I will try and do a tutorial for sure
i need one but they're so expensive my whole family would starve for a month
Love it! Sounds amazing!! ...question for you:
I minored in music in college, but want to get better at playing keys (not for playing sheet music, for music production). I have many analog synths and can stumble my way around playing keys based on the theory I know. Basically to be better able to play like you do in this video.
Any recommendations?
Hey! Thanks for the love. I would not consider myself to be classically trained by any means. I think focusing on nailing your rhythm will greatly help fool anyone into thinking we know what we're doing :)
Nice series! Which sustain pedal are you using btw?
Thanks so much! I believe I am just using a cheap $15 Proline one. Haven’t had any problems with it. Definitely open to better recommendations though
Hi are your patches available for purchase, please respond?
Hello Rin! They are not currently but I am planning on posting my first few banks for purchase soon. I will announce once everything is ready!
keep posting!
Thanks Brother
What desk do you have ? I’m looking for a similar one with effect rack mounts on top.
It's the Platform from Output (now known as De-Fi). I love it!
Thanks for the video. I have a sequential Rev2. I am considering a Prophet 10 or a Prophet 6. How close are the P6 tones to the P10? Does the P6 cut through in the mix compared to the P10?
Great question! I think they both do an excellent job at “cutting through the mix”. The P6 might even have an advantage with a few tricks it has up its sleeve like pan spread, fx, a dedicated sub osc, and a really nice analog distortion that I love for leads. Where the P10 outshines the 6 imo is just how soft you can get it, which says a lot because I think the P6 can get rather soft sounds easily. Maybe I’ll do a video soon explaining what I like about both and how they differ for me personally!
@@synthshapes thanks. It’s such a big price difference and I don’t really want to lose the Rev2 as it has really good mod capabilities. By the way, the Pro 3 is a great mono synth if you haven’t got one
Hi, Can you share your presets ? Thanks!
Can you show us what you do with the poly mod section ? Thanks
I’d love to do a poly mod focused video. Again, subtlety goes a LONG way with p.mod too!
Does this has a mono out still??
Lots of background noise, probably the fan. I play sax and a fan must be turned off when recording. Only at the start and end. What do you think of the Rev 2?
Yeah I had no idea what I was doing when making this first video lol. I think the Rev 2 is sick though. Definitely a modulation beast. Because it has so much routing, I do feel like it can be more of a chore to achieve simple sounds.
I found it the easiest to navigate.@@synthshapes
Great demo. Are you in Oklahoma by chance?
I am not! I am in Washington state but I have been through Oklahoma before. Folks are nice!
btw the audio when you're just talking to us is not using your sm7. gotta route that shit
lol yeah that was definitely realized at the end of recording haha
Do the 5 rev 4 and the 10 rev 4 sound the same if youre playing the same voices?
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Is that amazing soft piano a preset or a patch? Is the Prophet 10 worth it over the 5 do you think? What pedal do you use? Awesome review thanks!!
I made it myself. I have an entire bank that is dedicated to these sorts of patches. Maybe I can do some tutorials on them in the future!
I do think the P10 is worth it over the 5 if you’re wanting to utilize patch stacking or split patches. Even still I feel like it’s only really worth it if you’re wanting to do a lot of two handed stuff or are approaching the prophet from a pianist perspective. If it’s strictly a studio synth and you are layering in the daw rather than writing on the instrument itself, the 5 itself is perfect!
I’m just using a cheap Proline sustain pedal. I think it’s like $15 on Amazon
It would be awesome to see a tutorial on that soft piano. It’s exquisite and probably worth the price alone lol Great stuff!
What's with the crackling noise?
do you have the sysex for the epiano sounds?
I do! I will make them available soon publicly. Or you can email me (brodiecole@me(dot)com)
I would have bought one but a mono output synth in 2022 is a deal breaker. Then along comes Oberheim OB8 and it's see ya later Prophet
Why? Not sure what the issue with mono is.
@@6195ryan If ever in the history of music there was an instrument designed for stereo it is the synthesiser. Lush pads sliding from one ear to the other, delayed arps pinging around all over the stereo spectrum putting a smile on your face. Mono is a bit like being deaf in one ear where synths are concerned. And by the way - true stereo cannot be replicated with outboard gear.
@Collen Flarity Yeppity. The whole reissue thing got its head stuck up its own arse...
and then I bought one and love it☺
Check your voice cards - I suspect your model has the same problem as my did - crackling and distorted voices on the mainboard (daughterboard voices were fine).
Hmm I will definitely have to check that. I do know there was a couple times the synth went a bit too hot and clipped on a couple settings and I made the mistake of sending audio straight to my camera in this video 😖 so I couldn’t really do much about it in post.
I do notice some very subtle “noises” when my filter is cut below 25% so maybe that’s something
@@synthshapes hmm, sounds suspect. I found the bell tones, or simple waveforms showed the issue the most.
16:15, that lead patch was breaking up
I've been wanting to know, maybe you can tell me - I'm considering getting an expansion card for my Prophet-5 so it can use 10 voices like the P10. My question is... is the 5 voice / 10 voice / bi-timbral stuff something you can save per patch? Or are these global settings?
So, for example, if I want preset 1 to just have 5 voices, and then preset 2 to have all 10 voices, and then preset 3 to be bi-timbral.. is that how it would save them?
Or would it be like... only 5 voices or 10 voices as a global setting that applies to all patches?
Because, personally, I find that a lot of patches are more 'right' with only 5 voices like the original.
Good question! So to answer it as clear as I can -- the 5/10 voice mode is unfortunately a global parameter. It will make the synth operate that way across all presets (including split/stacked presets which then only gives you 2 voices stacked with an awkward outlier, or an awkward split where one preset has 2 voices and the other has 3). There is sort of a "work around" for this where you can double up all the voices. This is called Poly Unison mode. and it basically takes 10 voices and doubles them across 5 playable notes at a time. This mode can be saved per patch allowing you to have that P5 limited voice stealing effect, but unfortunately in some cases, at the cost of the tone being thicker than you might want it.
Bi timbral patches work interestingly as well. These patches whether stacked or split, are indeed saved on a patch level. However, you have to be careful because they contain two patch layers and one of the layers must be saved as a regular patch in a different slot. Basically when you create a bi timbral patch, you are editing the primary layer ON that patch, but the sub layer would use an existing patch saved somewhere else. So if you create a stacked patch on preset 111, layer A will be whatever settings you want saved for 111, while for layer B -- you will select a different patch like 112. If you change any settings on 112, bi timbral patches that are using 112 as "layer B" (in this case, patch 111) will now have the new attributes that were just overwritten.
Kinda confusing but it makes sense when you are using it. You can hit the preset button on a stacked or spit patch to view what preset you are hearing as that patch's "layer B"
I like to organize my presets by having certain banks dedicated to bi timbral patches so that I don't accidentally screw them up, but it can still happen from time to time if you find yourself creating a lot of them. Hope this helps!
Just show us what you already discovered yourself, tricks like taped piano, tips, presets, just share what you know please!
sick sick content bro
it’s crazy, i would argue, the korg prologue 16 may sound similar
not as nice tho
i hate subtitles, the way it distracts your eye when you watch the movie... ;)
11:10 Lofi piano DETECTED.
Brody do you have any soundbanks available and please post your ig link
I am in the process of making some preset packs for the P5/10 , Prophet 6, as well as some multi-sample packs. I will announce in a future video when all that is fully available!
IG: @aldousbaker (it's my music moniker)
@@synthshapes oh man I can't wait!!!!! thank you, and I hope your banks include many sounds like the ones in this clip... also thank you for starting the channel and catering to this sound, you wondered if there were others out there who love the kind of sounds like you.... yes there are!...
I spy a DFAM with a knob mod
Phat sounds
learn to not use the modweel too many times and everywhere it does not sound good, and take some lessons!
did younread the manual? guess not!
you do not make music you make shit!
it is not!! cool!!!
Crawl into a deep dark hole, and dont come out. 😮
12 random timeline clicks and no synth, just some dork talking. 0/10
Drangggg. Roasted
Get a life Shame. 😂
Great tones! Reminded me of some work I did dialing in very similar electric-piano-esque tones on a prophet 12. You might like them - can do a bit more with the polyphony and stereo and modulations, but of course the tone quality is different w/the p12 being a hybrid digital/analog - still satisfying to play though. Video is here www.twitch.tv/videos/871169037
Wow yeah! Excellent job on those patches. The 12 knows no bounds with sound design haha I'm jealous!