How Ireland cracked the Springboks code | Boks Office
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If there was Top Gear South Africa these guys were be the perfect presenters
A 1000%. The love for each other comes thru on the screen, respect and their are friend's.
Shimmy's "it's an English show hey, it's not Toks and Tjops here" before shanking it 🤣
This is the first time I have watched the guys and really enjoyed it. As an Irishman it’s great to be in the same conversation as the Boks. I think the potential for the Springboks to go unbeaten from this point, this calendar year is high
@@ConorOLeary-rl4bs I think Ireland has a good chance for the 2027 world cup
@@westscotindex8972 it’s always hard to know when it’s so far off. So much could happen in that time. I also think firstly we need to get beyond the psychological block surrounding quarter finals. We just haven’t deserved to get there. Plain and simple. It’s a results business and we keep losing lol. The common factor in them all is the opposition have played better than us
@ConorOLeary-rl4bs The World Rugby Nations Championship might help with that. I mean both the 1991 and 2023 Quarter-finals could have gone anyway. Felt for Hamilton, he must have thought free Pints in Dublin for the rest of his life. Still an epic that game.
As a kiwi and first time watching the guys, I have to say it’s quite a good show. Keep up the good analysis and chat guys!
My only rugby channel from Germany. Thanks, guys, you bring a little bit of rugby joy into this GOD FORSAKEN COUNTRY
Irish fan here. I think ireland along with SA, all blacks and prob france all have the ability to beat each other in tight games, however due to our lack of depth in the front row we simply cant put in the required back to back to back performances in a world cup. On sat furlong was clearly carrying a calf injury but wasnt sub until 50 min as his back up isnt near his standard. Not until ire have 4 to 5 international quality front row that guarantees we dont give away scrum penalties we are not winning the world cup
Interesting take. Its true furlong and porter are overused. Porter has an engine like a Boeing but furlong? I haven't seen him do anything in years. He seems to just be there in the background. We're always talking about porter but never furlong.
Absolutely agree. I thought Ireland started the WC so strong and dominant, but as soon as I saw no squad rotation I predicted they'd be knocked out. They are so dominant and full of fight, if they have the energy.
As a Springbok supporter, I panicked for similar reasons when SA didn't rotate players in the Semi final. Same thing almost happened to us.
The importance of squad depth/rotation is critical to winning the knock out matches.
At the moment anyone in that top 6 rankings has the potential to beat each other. Awesome time to be alive watching international rugby.
@101MIGHTYJOE it will take a complete performance to beat these teams. Maybe the boks want to evolve, realizing that. You look at Ireland, they are probably the best attacking team and now they have real mongrel in the forwards.
Correct. We don’t have the depth in the front. The World Cup really surprised me in that Andy Farrell picked the same team week in week out. We can never win a 7 game tournament like that. I hope that’s a lesson Farrell learnt. I know they are working hard to build homegrown backs. Maybe that’s a good sign that they have the next World Cup in their sights.
Haha. Enjoying the addition of the golf coupled with Schalk laughing at you guys.
This is the FUNNIEST thumbnail picture 😂 Cheslin isn't going to appreciate that photo of his oscar worthy performance being blown up 😂.
36:29 Ireland beat SA... England beat Ireland... Fiji beat England... Portugal beat Fiji... Belgium beat Portugal... Chile beat Belgium just this Saturday... therefore Chile should also be in the conversation thank you very much.
Definitely as in the conversation as Ireland. So not at all, really.
Lol you mean the team that just beat you at home, coming exhausted from a long season, playing with their 3rd scrumhalf, while you were fresh as a daisy? That ireland?
It's only logical!😂
These guys will do anything to try avoid talking about rugby this week🤣
Thanks guys like the format and casual discussion, its awesome and something refreshing
Such lekker vibes between these 3. You just want to buy them a beer and sit in on the chat.
Great show, nice swing Schalk
Unexpected? Lol Ireland love the underdog tag, even more than you Bokkes do. When everyone writes them off, is when you should be backing them. They don't lose two games on the trot and they weren't leaving SA without a test win. CJ Stander knows these players better than anyone and he was adamant they would win the second test even before the first test was played.
When you're playing a side who's only lost 3 games in 24 test matches, you should never rule them out. This Irish side have been the most consistent in the world over the last few years.
I think the Boks understand that very well from playing NZ as their biggest rivals. It's good to see Ireland and England and even Australia picking their socks up lately, great for the sport. Just hope this Tony Brown thing doesn't backfire and the Boks sink back down the ladder. SA will very much have a new squad by the next RWC and it's enough time to prepare them.
@@groenrizla2513 Can't see the boks slipping back down the ladder with the strength in depth they've got. I think you're biggest challenge is selection based. When you're spoiled for choice, selection and getting the right combinations can be trickier.
@PB22559 Well the next test against Portugal has 7 Bok debutants in the squad and some are the future Boks you'll be seeing in RWC27. Just like Am came into the squad because Jesse was injured and shone, we might see the next wave of Boks comming through because of the growing list of injuries for the Boks, injuries are sometimes a blessing in duguise, just a pity some of the upcomming Boks are also injured, if SA didn't have the depth they wouldn't be where they are, my point though was about this new strategy of Tony Brown, many S Africans are skeptical about going into new territory which supposedly is trying to keep us with the evolution of the game but is also considered a NZ style of play so it's a fine margin. Time will tell because some players are much better suited to Tony's style and on that note I agree, it's all about getting the selections right and with the Boks it's all about having utility players that can interchange between a few posisitions, I don't think anyone can really predict the future but the Boks biggest thing now is beating the Aussies on their turf which is ridiculously difficult and then the ABs in SA. After that we might have a better understanding, Boks have only played 3 games with their their new coaching staff and so I think it's too early to call for heads to roll, it just makes it more interesting.
@@groenrizla2513the Lions should beat Portugal... man I'd put money on the Dragons to beat them but it's great to see SA give them a test it can only improve them as a rugby nation.
I don’t care who’s best. We need to get semi finals at least of the RWC
Great show Boyz. Love watching the show from kuwait
Its a Cool to start the podcast, these 3 can just have a random topic. Would be also interesting to hear there thoughts on School boy rugby
Love the boks office, but not when they play golf. They are too distracted to stay on the topic😂
No third test coz Boks were supposed to win 2-0 , but it didn’t happen. Boks still my number one coz they usually let us win , nice guys. Greetings from Dublin
Just remind you you guys.The week before ireland had multiple tries ruled out. Should be no surprise except two long range drops was a SURPRISE 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Schalk has got some lovely form.
Good show, enjoyed that
Unexpected? Yes , i think us Irish fans accept the back to back world champs are better than Us but it's very tight no matter how south African fans slag us off for not getting by a quarter but this irish team is different ..We beat ye in a super close game in the world cup , had a disastrous start vs NZ and pulled it back and the came down to the last play of the game and last week when ye beat us it was very tight so it was always going to be tight as was last week when we beat ye . Hardly Unexpected...At the top level , Nz , France, SA and Ireland. There is a bounce of a ball between them on any given day
With all due respect I didn't before the tour started I said we would lose the first at altitude but would win the 2nd at ground level. But these two are so evenly matched lately it's a one score game
Saffa here; How anybody can claim that this was an unexpected victory for the Irish, blows my mind. Great game by the Irish, let us rather be humble in defeat and give credit where it is due.
Most of us don't slag you off. You are an incredible team. The shit talk comes when fans get rowdy about a win that could've gone either way. And claims about being the best. Then it's a thing. You don't claim to be the best if you haven't even won a single world cup. Nevermind not even ever being in a semi.
@@cornedenecker1636 I don't think any proper Irish fan claiming to be the best team in the world ahead of the back to back champions but it is clear to see we seem to have South africa number ..We only have 160 professional rugby players so we'll always struggle for strength in depth to win a world cup but we definitely seem to have yer number. Beat ye 4 out 5 times .
@@darren1989 haha seems so yes. A win is a win. Can't argue with that. I'd call it 3/4 with current teams. Albeit 2/9 in SA...
Schalk has a lovely swing. What does he play off?
Great format!
Schalk with the driver 😮😮😮😮
gwan Ireland
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Great show !
Two players 8 & 4 crocodile rolls Malcolm. Only 8 gets a yellow and it remains a yellow because 4 did it too. 😂😂😂 That is just hilarious logic. The second players faul play counts as mitigation for the first players faul play?!
Casey.
How was this loss unexpected, when the last Bok win included 2 "soft" tries.
This week no soft tries = no tries.
Not surprised at all.
Because they are better than Ireland. We played dogshit and we still only lost by 1 point. = Unexpected.
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A loss is a loss.
Boks also won the world cup by one point, so how do we square that.
The fact is that any of the top teams can beat each other on any given day.
The problem is that the Boks do not have a great record in between world cups, bit shitty if you're a Bok supporter and you have to bite your nails every time the Boks plays.
@@2msystems740 yeah, you're right on that one. The true test will come when we play the rugby championship. But yeah, a win is a win.
Schalk is right that Doris baled out and slid out of the tackle, Etzebeth caused the yellow card by holding Mccarthy for a few seconds and preventing him from clearing the ruck, Ryan sees this and has to come in from 10 yards away, Marx was so strong, so Ryan landed on Doris and made things worse.
33:00 Likewise I don’t think you saw the best of Ireland in the first test. And Farrell knew it. That said, they came back into that game to nearly win it, and some evidence would suggest they should have. The Kolbe try shouldn’t have stood as Lowe was in touch. Likewise Doris’s try which was disallowed, shouldn’t have been. It was a try and the ball was grounded. This is not bitterness or an opinion. The video footage clearly shows it. Tas analytics on UA-cam (a South African youtuber) had the footage on his channel. That’s a 14 point swing! That’s Ireland by 7! If I wanted to be really critical, it’s highly likely the SA’s first try was on the back of a forward pass by Kolisi. Some might say flat but it looked ‘marginally’ forward. That’s a 14 point win to Ireland. Granted I concede that SA were the more dominant team in that first test. Home advantage is huge for calls like this. That said even though Ireland were dominant is test 2 and found enough to win it, SA probably should have won that game if Doris or Ryan were red carded. Also one of the penalty calls against Ireland (the one that out you in front tor the first time) was for a knock against Ireland but it was knocked on by a South African player. McCarthy had every right to go for that ball. Big calls with small margins and the momentum shifts the other teams way on the back of them!!
28:37 to be fair to both Ireland, and indeed South Africa, you can’t go back over the last 20 games. Completely different teams, completely different nations. I would suggest that you start under the Rassie era. That means three from for from Ireland, but I still think South Africa are the best team in the world.
Love you guys❤❤❤
I dont think it was unexpected as we were playing a team that was number 1 not so long ago. I expect even Australia or Argentina or both to surprise and put one over us in the RC so we shouldn't think our WC status makes us unbeatable. I view these more as buildups, trial and error, until the WC.
Now, losing to Japan was unexpected, and if we lose to Portugal this weekend, that will be unexpected, but losing Ireland, not so much.
Does one dropkick define number 1 and 2? If SA won, then the debate was over, because of one dropkick for Ireland, the debate continues for some reason. SA is ranked world number 1 before and after the series and world champions. Won the series on points difference. Will probably see Ireland again in 2025 November tour. Focus must be on Rugby Championship and building for 2027.
Well done to Schalla for wearing shoes that match with the couch
Hey the KoKo lads on for the Aussie test for some proper banter!
The Koko show is great banter. Gits is one funny mfer, same goes for Drew and the prof.
@@PB22559 hated them as players cause they were Aussies but good laugh those lads and the box office with them would be fantastic!
Lads do you know about the Raeburn shield? (Look it up its the king of the hill type trophy starting with the first international game , engVscot with who ever beats the holders gets the honours) well SA had it after taking ot off NZ who took it off Ire in the ¼s , they held on to it in the first test and lost it in the 2nd.
That croc roll fractured Malcomes' tibia but he continued on the field. He'll probably miss the tests against Aus and NZ
Reading SA comments after Casey was taken off the field after being knocked out following a dirty late hit, not even a card.."physicality comes with the territory". Now saffas whining all over the internet like babies.
@washerdryer3466 I haven't seen any Saffas whining, you sure you commenting on the right vid? The croc roll is outlawed in SA for the very reason we saw in Durban, what happened to Marx. If it's still within the laws in Ireland then so be it but I guarentee you, one day they will outlaw it in Ireland after someones' rugby career is ended because of it.
“Unexpected “ 😂
By who? Your egos over there are so big and fragile . Ireland don’t loose very often .
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"Unexpected". Woulda lost the first test without two gifted TMO tries
It wasnt really 'unexpected' though was it. No.1 vs No.2 anyone can win
48:40 How come the Springboks had no set plays in test 2??
If you win the world cup and then lose every game for the next 4 years, does that make you the world's best team for those subsequent 4 years? Because that's your argument.
Yes, we all know the Boks are world champs and deservedly so but you literally won all your knock out games by 1 pt. There was nothing separating you and France, England and then NZ in the final and NZ had to play the majority of the game with 14 players.
Now that Ireland beat you by one pt on your own turf you're claiming that a 1 pt victory isn't a 'true' victory is irony at its finest. You guys seem to forget that even though the recent games between the two sides have been close, Ireland have 4 wins from the last 5 games. You cannot claim you're better than a side with only 1 win from 5 times trying. lol
No one is saying it wasn’t a true victory. I just watched this episode and pretty sure these guys said Ireland deserved the win. There is nothing to separate these sides or NZ or France…all of those 4 can beat each other on different days. As to your point though…you won 1 and lost 1 on this tour and you’re still ranked behind us…strange to say you’re the better side because you factoring in results back in 2016 with completely different teams and coaches… If you were better you’d be ranked 1…not complicated.
You get people that understand the game and where stats is coming from and then there is people like you. As a SA supporter, Ireland played well and deserved the win but stats show Bokke is no.1. To day we do not recognise the win is poor, yes a 3rd test decider would have been great. If there was another and Ireland won and gain the no1 position on the ranks, they would be the best team in the world but it isn’t.
SA were outplayed by a team who can play rugby and wants to play rugby. Done! Where was the Bok forwards? Where was the backline on attack and defense? Sorry, Rassie, you r team must play rugby if you want to win and they MUST know how to change their game plan on the field and not wait for instructions. That is where Ireland is better - they think, they play rugby, they want to be good. Faf was slow at the breaks and scrums, Kolbe is vulnerable under the high ball and defense, definitely not the best in SA anymore. And, and... NZ and Australia will kill us with this attitude that we are World Champs and cannot loose.
In the world cup tournament SA won.
In all other tournaments Ireland are almost unbeatable.
Are knockout tournament winners every four years considered the no 1, even if they lose games
Springboks will find form. They've only played 3 games this year. Two of which they have won. Until next RWC the Boks are the World Champions 🏆
Ireland up to now are only as good as their fans think they are. And even if they played well, they were extremely lucky to win at durban. Two 40m dropgoals. What are the chances.
History doesent matter. SA are no1 ranked, WC holders but in the end of the day its not who's no1 in the world its whose no1 on the day and both games were won by the better side.
btw think in the next 5 to 10 years France will be the undisputed number 1 rugby team in the world. Their youth teams are massive guys and very skillful. Ireland have serious issues with getting big props. The baby boks were terrible this year as were NZ under 20s. France will win the u20 RWC despite sending 7 eligible players to argentina to play with their senior team.
Playing in Durban is like a touch rugby party vibe and it always suits the touring side, look how the ABs hammered the Boks at Kingspark.
Agreed the second test should have been at Ellis Park
@davidtruter601 It gives the touring side a relaxing home feel, the music and chilled out Durbanites, that's why so many Irish supporters go to watch in Durbs and not at Loftus but when we play Ireland it's only in Dublin. Ellis park much more suits the Boks but saying that, the venue is not what should wins games even though Ireland most definately would've won the first test if it were played in Dublin, Jaco Peyper even gave an example of the exact same penalty going the other way when the Boks lost in Ireland so home ground advantage def does play a small part.
As Nigel Owens said after the 2nd test, on a different day, a different ref and the croc roll on Marx which was clearly intentional would've been a red or even 2 yellows, could've even been a red and a yellow for Ireland but the Boks were given a penalty which Polllard slotted. It's interesting times in rugby and for the Boks, instead of a 3rd test and playing Portugal instead and bringing in the newbies, the Boks are only going to build towards the next RWC.
Jean’s career was ended by a croc roll, really need to get rid of that type of technique in rugby. JDV missed out on his prime because of this
It's not toks and tjops 😂
Malcom is actually injured now with a fracture thanks to that illegal and lazy rucking by Doris
No impact from OMahoney for a few seasons now. His selection as captain was quite puzzling. I also suspect Rowantree wants him out of munster but his hand forced. Every provence has better options at 6 than pete and playing him at 7 is ludicrous. He has NO pace is a single figure tackler and an ineffective carrier.
This has come out late hasn't it?
Funny how golf brings out the Afrikaans out of Jean. 🤣🤣
Instead of 3rd game, portugals the 3 rd game. What a sour taste to the bok vs ireland series.
Schalla: “When do we get gimmes here?”
Jean: “no no right about that area there”
😂 i could just these guys chat and golf
In 2056 the Springboks will still claim they are the best side because they won the 2023 RWC.
What BS logic is that, it will be bc we've one B2B WCs, maybe 3 on the trot in 2027 + more WCs than any other team. Get ur facts straight!
@@mitakon21 Just look at you go.
@@westscotindex8972I shouldn't have to, just ur dmb phck comment that sparked it.
Bok performance in these tests too variable...poor finishing...
Unexpected lol. Arrogant boks.
Portugal joca muito bem
The yellow card should have been change to a red card .
Unexpected?.
Is SA the best team in the World or is Ireland...let me save you the argument...NZ can win worlds cups and have a high winning percentage between them :p
Why, oh why, would anyone like to determine who is the strongest team in the world at any specific moment in time? I can't care less about these arguments. It is very simple, it were two very tight games. Enjoy the rivalry and the ensuing battles on the rugby field. All that we can say is that it is 1 victory each, the rest is speculation and irrelevant.
@@johanstruwig3815 Truth
Lads ye won a world cup by a drop goal
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please do not give rugby pass TV any more live streaming event! their platform is boring technically flawed, cant change frame rate , no chat etc! they are shite!
The boke are not as good as they think they are
Let me guess, you are a kiwi that still can't accept the fact the Boks are better than the ABs?🙂
The Irish cracked the BOKS code? What bullshit, the Irish did not win the game, the BOKS lost it!! Not having a reliable kicker full stop!!
Pollard needs to go.
50-20, 40-20, the score predictions . 🫣
Ireland are proper team . A better team many would say . Imagine us fresh with a full team ?? 🤔🤗