100%.. BUT.. on the flipside.. Information changes daily when WARS are involved therefore people are always learning on the FLY, and these issues are bigger then most people will EVER understand without all of the information on the table. Politicians always talk shit without all the information, hence why they look stupid back-tracking all the time.
Putin's missiles changed his mind. Coz NATO understand Russia doesn't come alone. It comes packaged with China, North Korea and Iran. Rest of the world will not support either side.
This seems like a deliberate move to bring hopes of a membership and then leave them in a mess with Russia, aggrevating the situation further within the region.
If other countries avoid the USA to from using them to provoke Russia like ukraine did.... Russia will have no issues with them. Russia has a right to defend itself from threat.
@@natividadnolasco6097 let's not fool ourselves here. Romania wouldn't have gathered the same support as turkey has. They are the second military provider in the alliance.
@@pankajtekchandani3417 remember that turkey is a very important piece to the puzzle of control for NATO. If Russia were to go to war with nato. Turkey could easily block the enterance the the azov sea
The foreign policies of the western countries are based on racism, if arabs, africans, asians, slavs die by the hundreds of thousands like in Jemen, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine it's not very concerning to them, but if their is a slight chance that they get in harns way, everyone on the planet must be concerned and do their best to give them security, even if it's against their own interest. Think about it, did they realy made an effort to stop the war in Ukraine? Would it be so hard to say, OK Russia we will not expand NATO to your doorstep but you will give security guarantees to your neighbouring countries???? Is it impossible for the western powers to stop the genocide in Jemen? Does Saudi Arabia build the warplanes and bombs themself or do they buy them from the US and other western states? Who are the biggest arms sellers in the world, is it possible that it's the same countries who are always talking about human rights? Is it a human right to die by western made weapons? Is it beneficial for gender equality to be murdered by western bombs irrespective of your gender???
finally someone with common sense, for example. War in ex Yugoslavia in 1989 ( thats when it really started not when the west said it did), west has placed sanctions on entire region and embargo on weapons being given or sold to any side involved. Even Russia was part of it. Yes black market was operating but there was no weapons delivery like they do to Ukraine. If NATO really wanted to stop the war, they would tell Russia ok you stop and we remove sanctions and negotiate from there but the real agenda is to have prolonged war as no western soldiers are at risk ( they dont care about mercenaries ) and to use it globally as an excuse for financial crisis every western country has, all western countries have inflation rising and cost of living raising but they had to hide it somehow as pandemic wasnt any more a valid excuse.
Hmm, interesting how you single out the west, when China's is also based on racism. Not to mention, India's internal social structure is also based on racism/bigotry (caste system). It's also funny that southeast Asia is rated as the most racist area on earth. But it only counts when it's someone else doing it to you right? PS...I'm Slavic
@@musicointempero2256 iam an indian , to be open colonialisation of india made the caste difference , India is in border issues with once its own part Pakistan because of british rule , britishers distroyed every country they went to , our indian culture was great its britishers who came and distroyed our culture and now it's not britain its america. America should be brought under control other wise they will create world war 3
So all they had to do was say they weren't joining NATO huh? What about what Putin said when he announced his special military operation? He said they did it to stop the Nazi regime (who is jewish). He said they did it to stop the genocide. He said they did it to stop the biological weapons being made. He said they did it to prevent Ukraine from developing neclear weapons (even though they have had the ability for 50 years). He said they did it to liberate the Ukrainian people from oppression. He said they did it to restore Russian culture to Ukraine. These are all his words, watch his hour + long announcment when this started. So you think all of those reasons would magically disappear if they said "we aren't going to join NATO"? Or are you just naive and gullible?
YES ..WITH ONLY CHINA BECOMING THE WORLD SUPER POWER...EVERY STARTS EATING CHINESE NOODLES EVERYDAY AND START SPEAKING IN MANDARIN AND PLAY PING PONG TO MATCH TO THE CHINESE
@@raj-fg4cx yeah, a perfect communist utopia with wealth equality, gender equality, racial equality for all! Wait are they slave labor camps for ethnic minorities?
Finland and sweden are geting humiliated and called by turkey suporters of terrorism,who?the turks say that who had business with isis, unbelievable that those two rich and democratic countries are letting turkey and nato ridicule them
This situation is depressively comedian. Baltics League format II + Ukraine + Scandinavia and Britain For real is less concerned about terrorism scars then ever. The talk is about war. And Order is giving out of it. It is a matter of man.
Are you forgetting merica is a war monger? Did you know that america in the 0's bombed China and Korea? Did you know that the war machine america started before WWII still going on? And the last war america started was in 2010? With Bogus Proofs... Yep brainwashing go go... May i Suggest get your information's from some other sources rather than main stream Media? WION Included!
@@scamper_van8470 Okay, listen to this phase: What is Putin's real back up of "fantazy tools" because it is clear he is president as formal but he says he is relevant Peter One. So you think Russia with Z's have plans to stop this? Then explain how.
@@butstill3333UA Whats in the plans of Russia i have no Idea.. I can only Comment on what comes out of Russia. Most certainly it wasn't on Russia intention to have a quick war,the quick war idea came out from America Intelligence.. I can only guess Russia will drag the war for as long as Russia wants.. Even though some speculations say the war is close to be over...
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Turkey is a blackmailer. Stoltenberg is speaking beyond his remit. A strategic alliance CANNOT overrule Democratic countries housing Kurdish freedom fighters
@Kaunis Kaukomieli you forgot erdogans nightmare being turkeys inflation around 70%. major economic power one might say. can you compare turkey to any other new nato members in same manner? bulgaria, estonia, lithuania etc. surely NATO would miss alot if turkey would be left out of the pact.
no the whole mess started with our "allies" refused to sell any air defense system to türkiye, nearly a decade türkiye tried to buy from Nato memebers proper Airdefense, but as exaple every time it was Vetod at Us kongress. What the hell should Turkey suppose to do? Stay without any air defense system? and on the side Russia sold the s400 systems even that Türkiye shut down their aircraft... Türkiye doesn't have any problems with negotiating with Russia but with our "allies" we have.
@@bartin7427 thx for the info you are right about the veto ; Turkey is smart enough to build its own air defense . That would have been better. but buying from putin , as our allie , sent a wrong message. NATO should have given air defense ; but U.S. already has so many bases In Turkey to defend you.
What a miss! Turkiye is asking Sweden/ Finland to turn in those guys to there government and turkiye is really important in-terms of geographic so what’s the move. That’s how you know this guys(eu) was not on the table when the American and Britain were planning.
Legitimate concern? Turkey can raise existential concern. Russia raised it legitimate existental concern,too. How come Nato did not see this fact? Greedy to expand,isnt it?
Funny you are talking about Russia existential concerns. Do you know that Russia has nukes? The last time Russia was threatened to be invaded by anyone was in 1942. The only countries whit legitimate existential concerns I see are Moldova and Ukraine. What Russia is concerned is that it won’t be able to manipulate those countries that easy anymore. According to the Russia Nato founding act from 1997 the US nor Russia were allowed to station nuclear weapons in east Europe no matter in which alliance those countries are. This treaty was abandoned first by Russia then by the US and UK in march 2022. Now the US can station nuclear weapons in any countries bordering Russia no matter if they are in Nato or not. A Nato membership was never a requirements to host those weapons.
Do not conflate Finland with Sweden in this and remember that applications to NATO are individual. Sweden prides itself as being all things to everyone and "support" for Kurds is in there with other virtue-signalling things which Sweden polishes and displays while hiding violent crime in many cities. There are 30 or so Kurds arrested for something and Turkey has asked for extradition. The precise details and legal niceties need to be described clearly rather than the fog of ignorance reducing a complex matter to a simple stand-off between Turkey (joined NATO 1952) has a distinguished history of action and mediation but it has a long running dispute with a particular Kurdish political group. Not with all Kurds and many are key in the armed services and industry as well as government and diplomacy. People in the west fail to understand that Turkey has the key to the Black Sea to Caspian region with proximate neighbors (especially Khazakstan) the towards the lands where Indian/Chinese trade will expand. Russian railways will also be involved and Chinese investment will improve development in the Eurasian sector after the Ukraine conflict is resolved. Do not underestimate Turkey but also do not mistake it for being other than itself. The status of the 30 prisoners is for lawyers and so calm down and Sweden will or will not join NATO after a lot more talking and soul searching -- notably about its "strategic neutrality" = hypocrisy 1939-1945 and whether or not the country's weakness of government stability would make it a reliable NATO partner. Finland is Nordic but not Scandinavian. Its culture is unique and a self-reliant society emerged from the the post-1945 years, a few ceremonial border treaties with the Soviets and votes against hosting foreign troops. If it joins NATO it offers passive tracking for military and civil use entering the Arctic development phase by relevant nations but Finland will not tolerate being used by the USA -- the leader of NATO -- for threats or 'special equipment'. NATO really could do with new leadership because Stoltenberg is tired and was about to end a long term. Perhaps Secs General should no longer be ex senior politicians.
I'm sorry, but I'm sticking with Turkey in English. Turkey, Turkey, Turkey is the legitimate name of the country in English. Fun fact: the bird was named after the country, not the other way around. Ankara is the capital of TURKEY. Turkey!
UN has officially confirmed and announced the country's name change of Turkey to Turkiye. It's not important what you people say but UN and NATO. In Turkish products or services, you will observe "Made in Türkiye" instead of Turkey after now.
however you like. Similar to UK, Britain, England, Angleterra, ingiltere, yinggou,... no problem as long as the others understand. We are not corresponding with UN General Assembly Secretariat,
@@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810 there were many such regions strong and weak over thousands of years of history. Does it really matte? Right now Turkey is a religious and backward nation. They are barking due to support from Russia thts it.
@@ranjithrpj Turks howl (greywolf is the symbol), Indians bark. Turkey might be poorer than should be but still millions time better than some smelly nations.
@@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810 Turkey reminds me of the actual 🦃 Don’t know why an Islamic country is part of NATO, but then again tiny nations like Romania & Bulgaria are also part of NATO like 🦃 lol
They have to join. Forget about pride. Putin will not stop after swallowing Ukraine. He lost control over his own mind. Only his death can stop rebirth of Russian empire
When countries join NATO they loose their independence in the way and have to pay a lot for it. I am not sure it’s worth it. Nobody really threatened them. It’s better to stay neutral, even from economic point of view.
Greetings from Sweden. It is impossible to comply with all requests from Turkey. Sweden is a country of law and will never extradict peaceful members of the peaceful Gulen movement. Please be aware that USA and other EU countries do the same. For example, Fethullah Gülen is still safe in USA. The worst accusations are lies. Sweden has always fought terrorism and was the first country to ban PKK as a terrorist organization. There are lots of Kurdish refugees in Sweden and Erdogan claims that all their organizations are terrorists. I don’t believe Erdogan, but I believe that my government is open to discussions if Erdogan can present evidence. Finland is less complicated as they have less immigrants. Finland needs Nato more than Sweden.
So, EU must create its own army then. They even proposed an army of 5.000 soldiers. 5.000? They want to protect 8.000.000 squarekms with 5.000. Clowns.
F,S: We are afraid, we are joining NATO. Russia: That's fine, just don't put American nukes on your territory. Turkiye: No, they are not joining, I veto it. 🤡🌎
If Turkey allowed Greece to rejoin nato then Finland and Sweden will join too Turkey just wants something in return endrogan won’t win re-election unless nato does favors
Ukraine wanted to join NATO for many years but did NATO let Them in? No! Ukraine was a neutral country by when Russia invaded Crimea in 2014 and Still neutral 2022 when Russia invaded again...
Nonsense. Turkey cheered as terrorists attacked in France. Turkey also labels all Kurds and political opponents of Erdogan dictatorship as suspected terrorists. Turkey has attacked NATO allies. This is just about getting some leverage, as usual and has nothing to do with reality.
Turkey never attacked NATO allies and they never cheered when terrorists attacked France, Germany or any other nation. It's probably the other way around.
Did you forget Turkey got attacked by ISIS too?? Turkey just recently built a huge Armenian Church. Turkey of 2022 is not Turkey of 2011. Despite what Communist Kurds or Pan-Arab nationalists or racist people want you to believe.
@@stupidburp sorry but you have no idea what is going on. How old are you? Before making any judgement, first study for the subject. Turkiye's population is over 85 million. Kurdish people living as a Turkish citizen is more than 14% of the total population . There are many Kurdish professors, ministers, soldiers, movie stars, singers, etc. living in Turkey as a Turkish citizen freely. Turkiye's problem is PKK which is a terrorist organization and killed many civilian people. PKK is killing their own kurdish people which are Turkish citizen. The Pinarcik massacre was the killing of 24 kurdish women and children and eight village guards on 20 June 1987, in the village of Pınarcık, in the Mardin by ARGK units of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The dead consisted of 16 children, eight village guards, and eight women. Aliza Marcus, a specialist on the conflict, describes it as "the PKK's most brutal attack on villagers since the state-sponsored militia had been formed". You are siding with an organization who kills women and children. Sorry we can forgive but never forget the history.
Stop daydreaming. Who wants the villagers of Europe in NATO. If you are brave enough, go and fight against Russia, Sweden and Finland's existence is related to be being a buffer zone to Russia. No more, no less.
Don’t the country applying to NATO need a referendum or something like that to consider it legitimate? I haven’t seen or heard any of that and I live in Sweden
no ? as a fellow swede we just need a majority of people in the riksdag to be for it. and awe have overwhelming suport for it only 2 smal parties are against. when you vote you choose who is going to represent you that include military politics!
@@WanWanOfficialX Turkey always playing victim they just want all the attention, seems like they're doing nothing but making a big spectacle of theirselves..
@@itsraid_bitchez8084 then how about turkey send their middle east refugees to europe? When US invaded afghanistan....more than 10k afghan refugees came to my country which is quite far from afghanistan. Nato doesnt pay any responsibilities for the refugee crisis they made
@@WanWanOfficialX You're right about the first 2 sentences but wrong about the last one. NATO does pay responsibilities, didn't you hear of the refugee crisis in EU? How is that not NATO doing its part. Do you know how much foreign aid the US sent to the Mid-east, ridiculous amounts. The US also took refugees from Afghanistan as well. Turkey does provide important help with their refugee and immigration policies but don't pretend like its the only nation that does so. The US is still the nation that takes in the most immigrants and refugees around the world, so get off the high horse a bit.
LOL! It is just as I have been saying. No one really wants Finland or Sweden to join NATO at this time, not even Finland and Sweden. It was just a bargaining ploy to put Russia under pressure to stop the war. It turns out that Tukiye's is the best thing that could have happened to NATO, Finland, and Sweden.
Do you live in Sweden or Finland? Or are you just made that Up? I'm that living there could tell you that if Russia would not been agressive and invaded 3 neighbours country's in just 14 years we could stay neutral but with a agressive Russia as neighbour that's threat us to sign agreement we don't want and threat us with Nuke joining NATO are probobly needed. So more people are positivt to joining then not.
@@henrikl4244 respectfully, nonsense. None want Sweden or Finland to join NATO now. Perhaps in 10 years, but certainly not now because it would provoke Russia to war.
Taiwan massive fish export to the Mainland is being used to pay for US weapons against the Mainland. I think, China action is at the very least of it, is reciprocal to the Island's aggression. I am from a tiny rich country in Southeast Asia, I've nothing to gain either from the Chinese mainland or the Island. It's just common sense. Better just to east (ease) tension and choose peace, for both the prosperity and longevity of the people of the Island and the peace and development for the mainland. That means .. stop listening to US and go to discuss it with each other. Because if you seek US assistance, the moment you meet US for assistance, their understanding, or their eyes will lit up, because it already means Arm Industry opportunity and war. Its foolish to do that right now. It will suck the blood out of the Island.
Turkey is hurting for money and wants money out of this deal. As soon as Turkey gets what it wants it will throw a party to celebrate Finland's and Sweden's membership into NATO.
@@wsson7177 True, but can be said of almost half of Europe. I'm specifically referring to Turkiye's stand on NATO membership for those Northern European countries. It is muscle and I'm sure several countries didn't expect this.
This proves yet again what a mistake it was for the Western powers to not hold the Dardanelles for themselves and/or Greece after WWI. Without this strategic straight Turkey would not be that important to NATO.
Nato doesn't want Russia to expend, Russia doesn't want Nato to expend... So they both want expend not to let the other expend... Same goals, different methods . One more "direct" than the other.
@@DerrickCartercosmostravels just USA and CA combined are bigger than and have 2.5 times the population of Russia, and that's just the american countries of NATO. The total population of NATO countries is almost 1 billion...
Only 46, why not say 460 and be done with it oh heck let's just say 4,600 or ask Putin or Lavrov to come up with a number !!!! Load of Crap, Slava Ukraini
President Erdogan's opposition seems to be based on completely different things from those officially presented by Turkey. For how else to interpret that Turkey throughout the process until only days remained before Sweden and Finland submitted their official applications supported membership for both countries. At the end of last week, President Niinistö revealed that in a conversation with Erdogan on April 4, he personally received the Turkish president's yes to a Finnish membership. - At the end of a fairly long discussion, Erdogan said that if you apply for NATO membership, we will look at it positively, Niinistö says in an interview with Ilta-Sanomat. At the same time, Erdogan has denied that he intends to invade northern Syria again to create a broad buffer zone between the areas controlled by the Kurdish YPG and Turkey. But since Turkey then risks ending up in direct fighting with the Russian soldiers in the area, Erdogan must get some kind of green light from Putin. By arguing about NATO enlargement, he hopes to win plus points from Putin. At home, he must win an election to be held next year. Most opinion polls show that he risks losing. To show that he can force the United States and other NATO countries to make concessions, he hopes to increase voter support. Bringing life to the fight against the terror-branded PKK, the main internal enemy, also goes home to the electorate and makes it easier to ban the pro-Kurdish party HDP. Sweden and Finland's NATO applications have ended up in the middle of a complex political game where the two countries do not have control over their own destiny even if they make concessions to Turkey. In the end, it is how far the United States is prepared to go to pressure Turkey that makes the decision. Given what Joe Biden has said so far, it is difficult to see that the United States would accept a continued Turkish veto against Sweden and Finland for any length of time.
Çok basit.ver teröristleri,yazılı olarak taahhüt et teröristlere yardım etmeyeceğini, gir NATO ya.niye yapamıyorlar, korkuyorlarmı bekledikleri teröristlerden.Erdogan hep söyledi avrupa ya beklediğiniz terör örgütleri bir gün gelir size döner diye.ileri görüşlü bir adam.aglamak yok şimdi.
Finland is a beautiful country and Russia has cleared numerous times that it has no interest in it unless it is a threat to Russia which Finnish leadership is exactly what is doing by joining NATO and there is absolutely no need for it.
@@yogeshkumarallum2540 ukraine wouldn’t have been able to join nato regardless or not there where countries opposed to it vetoing it and denied it entry so that’s just a false flag again from Russia to take territory like it did in Georgia
@@charlespadamada5979 you are ill informed at present the U.S is invading somalia,solomons Islands cuasing tensions in Taiwan,Turkey is invading greece,and all of them are nato members Nato is an empire of lies even ukraine operation is caused by the U.S by trying to weaken Russia as per anthony blinken nothing to do with the people
Sweden and Finland talked with them and did take them seriously. Asked them Long before they sign the NATO request and Turkey Said they had No problems. But same week they sign Turkey change and not talked with Sweden or Finland. They talked with press... That's not how to treat Friends. And I call Them Turkey until they start act as adult and stop come with false accusations. Swedish weapons in the hands of PKK is not the same as Sweden support them. USA is also made those weapons and they already Said they support the Kurdish fighters in Syria with weapons, why would those weapons not been weapons from USA. Sweden give YPG money, first not many countries count YPG as terrorist but Still Sweden have not send money to them. Sweden have been given money to help organizations like UN to support North Syria with food, water and education.. Sweden have been talking with People that Turkey count as terrorist, Sweden talk with North Korea to but that don't make them support them.. Sweden support PKK, Sweden was even the second country in the world to start count PKK as a terrorist organisation back in 1984... Sweden host ex PKK.. if they are ex what's the problem? One on that list of ex PKK terrorist that Turkey wanted was a 75 years old doctor that died 2015... If they not even Keep records that he died ( as they was informed ) then I don't belive in their evidens. One other was a woman that was Kurdish politic in Turkey and was arrested and Put in jail in Turkey after she been in a pkk area. After she was release she moved to Sweden and started a none political life. One Guy that Turkey wanted as a pkk terrorist they some years ago wanted for killing Kurdish PKK members and now they wanted him as a pkk terrorist. Make Up your mind!! Swedish law system have look into His cases and there was No evidence in any of those cases.
Politicians always engineer the catastrophies in the world 🌎. They can't be manipulated in anytime. So funny indeed. So believing who is right and wrong is a big challenge.
@@Seitbp242 Yes, they can do whatever they want but that's not what they did. NATO pushed them to apply so that they accept them quickly as a way of telling Russia.. "Yea we fucked you up!" Unfortunately for them, it didn't go as planned. Finland and Sweden were fooled just like Ukraine, but in their case they may be accepted at a later time. Note: Native Finnish and Swedish don't accept this NATO bid, it's Washington backed
@Kaunis Kaukomieli now ofcourse she said that. you didnt need to choose even the right words from her statement to fit your cause. and i dont see how one person can choose what ever any democratic country is. we still have parliament here to vote and to deside about things. but i so feel for your grief while sweden and finland joins NATO.
it is a gamble, but if Sweden/Finland retracts application, almost whole Baltic sea region may end being pissed at Turkey for not letting to improve their security. That region consists of multiple EU countries having veto rights, so further EU-Turkey deals can become even more complicated.
@@riittakeskikuru8172 my point is they don't need NATO if Norway Finland and Denmark , Iceland and Greenland is owned by Denmark I think they got the people and resources to hold there own. This B's NATO crap is crap the only thing NATO see Americans good for was beating the nazies in reality if America fight Nazi Germany on its own it would have lost my point is European countries are stronger than they think.
Ukrainians can call their cities whatever they want. America named Saurkraut into Liberty Cabbage during our World Wars with Germany, if they want a less Russian-dominated name that's Ukrainians' choice. Maybe they want more of their own national pride and history instead of the one the Russian Tsardom and Soviet Empire forced upon them.
It would be the same as Vatican changed Rome's name into ryonne or smth. It's disrespecting history. Kiev is an ancient name. Ukraine didn't even exist 150 years ago and now they are changing historic name to erase history. It's very shwabian way of destroying values
Why don't the NATO call out Turkey for having terrorists in their country or call them out for sending a bunch of immigrants to Greece border and trying to have hybrid warfare.
Our choices had nothing to do with USA, it was more that all our neighbors are in NATO and EU didn't get that defense force so now when we had to pick a side there was only NATO to pick. Like we already have defense agreements with most neighbor's and EU, but politics makes an easy task very complicated so if we have double and triple agreements it should be enough :D
@@amadeuz8161 i understand russia is aggressive and becoming a bully but u chosen wrong friend nato=usa and it just used Finland and Sweden as bargaining tool to deal with russia. U should start doing bilateral defence pact to bypass turkey 🦃.
@@BOBO-wl3yp If Swe and Fin joins NATO there will be less USA in Europe so they will gain on it too and can concentrate more on the other side. Many Americans are starting to open their eyes to see that their system ain't as perfect as they thought it to be when comparing themselves with Europe so the influence goes both ways. I'm just watching the talks between our president and Stoltenberg. The Turkiye issue seems not to be only about us, more a shout from Turkiye to the rest of NATO to take their terrorist problem seriously and not just write down a law and say ok we did it. We do have diplomats that have managed to see both sides in issues before and get groups down to talk so maybe we can be a good tool for Turkiye to get their voice heard(There is a risk that Erdogan is just using this as a tool to get reelected but lets hope their complaints are real and from the hearth). We already have defensive pact in EU, we have separate pacts with our neighbors. USA ain't using us, it was our choice to apply because the war in Ukraine brings back the history we had with USSR and this time even if Russia is weak compared to USSR we have to have all possible alliances not to have to do it alone again. So what USA gains from us joining is the European front getting stronger and will free up some resources for them(yes they will still send troops here to train with Europe but they don't need as many permanent troops) What we gain from NATO. We get triple defensive alliances with some, double with others and then we get Norway, Canada, USA and Turkiye also(I might have missed someone). Like stoltenberg said: When we are in NATO the Nordic countries can have their own defensive force(Yes we are that united that we don't even bother to defend towards each other). What we also gain is another legit reason to protect Estonia and the other NATO members can protect them better(yes they are one of our family members that managed to survive the horrors of "Russia" towards our people). You do know that back in the day Finland sent volunteers into USSR to help our siblings to get free, like we were a thorn in "Russia's" back until they let us go and after that we tried to help them to be part of Europe instead of a thorn in Europe's side. Putin ruined everything that the generations had achieved and now it will probably take 80 years again for them to even be trusted.... Like this whole thing is so stupid. Yes we all disagree with a lot but is war the solution...
@@BOBO-wl3yp Forgot the most important point Turkiye doesn't seems to understand. In NATO the intelligence would be shared so their concerns could be resolved. Just because EU has had some problems with Erdo it doesn't mean we want to exclude Turkiye. I have been there 3 times and yes their culture is a bit of a shock it was interesting learning about them and their history(Yes I could never live in a country with that man shouting in a tower every morning but there it was nice to wake up in time to explore the country).
The time will come that NATO says "Yeah , Russia is fighting with Terrorists In Ukraine , WE should have solved this issue together, we shouldn't have give weapons to them"
Putin now on his table drinking expensive wine.. they tried to bring him down using ukraine but the table turned against them and now they tryed using finland and sweden expecting Russia to attack but to their surprise Putin is twice ahead of their plans and now they are changing stories 😂😂😂
Many countries will be pleased if Europe and USA destroyed themselves anyway along with russia, 90% of the causes for conflict and misery in this world. Hypocrisy knows no bounds for them
If that is the case, then Netherlands should also be disbarred from NATO since Netherlands is supporting the number 1 and major Terrorists in the Philippines which is the CPP-NPA-NDF. The Netherlands government is not just only supporting those terrorists but also protecting and cuddling its founder and leader of the terrorists who is currently living in Netherlands under the protection of its government. Well, we all know the Netherlands 🇳🇱 government supports the terrorists because the leader of the terrorists made an arrangement to give its 35% of the illegal money to the Netherlands. Those money are grabbed illegally by the CPP-NPA terrorists lead by Jose Maria Sison (JOMAR) through means of either threatening or killing the innocent Filipino civilians. So yeah, everybody is hypocrites
Turkiye is incredibly important because of their geography and demography. Turkish population is 80+ million and has 4 million refugees which Europe does not want. The Balkans (Cyprus, Greece, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzegovins and Croatia) is extremely vulnerable due to their low population. They never colonized like Western Europe and Russia did.
This is very sad, these hypocrites call the same people who fought in the front lines against ISIS terrorist, who sacrificed both women and men for the sake of humanity yet, they are called terrorist! Why didn't Turkey rise concerns when Qatar was funding ISIS...2017 they were literally touching borders
PKK_YPG wasn't fighting Isis for the sake of humanity. They were fighting to save their own ass and Isis was crushing them until America came and saved them. If anything, it should be the terrorist PKK_YPG to be grateful to America for saving their ass from Isis.
@@mustimon this is very funny coming from a state that supports terrorism and extremism....that led many islamist extremist from Europe to syria and Iraq to kill innocent people
@@michaelbee2165 yes we know that bro...that's what I said....but these Turks don't like acknowledging such things Kurds were brave enough to fight them women and men....something turks didn't do...they provided guns and money to isis
Turkey is a threat to NATO. They have cheered on terrorists in France and attacked NATO allies and moved away from values of other members towards dictatorship.
Offcorse they did not. They been talking with Turkey, NATO have been talking with Turkey about Sweden and Finland joining NATO. Turkey have never Said anything about this isue they have, until they in the press, not to Sweden and Finland, to the new's the same week they sign the request to join.
We expected some problems along the line but maybe not this particular one. Theres barely any kurds in Finland. There are far more kurds and PKK members in other nato countries after all and yet they are of no concern to Erdogan but I guess we are easy targets to get something else instead (military deal etc)
@Kaunis Kaukomieli are you going to be surprised if it turns out it was only one tiny man, erdogan who only wanted to make some ground for his own election campaign and this whole hassle had nothing to do with turkey itself at all.
@Kaunis Kaukomieli New York City doesn't play by international laws when its independent role or using "geopolitical power" is challenged? New York City??? Not a nation, not a state but a city inside the US does??? ROFL...
This political leaders are the best screen play writer's ,,Hollywood could not match them
Turkey gablaoblao 🦃
U nailed it buddy 🤣🤣🤣.
Totally agreed. Bunch of morons and actors who do not even know how Government works...
Fool westerners will now see who are real culprits behind Ukraine war.
Hollywood world revolves around Us,
This is real multi polar world
It's almost comical seeing how these officials turn back on their statements that they have made before.
There are politicians
Cheers from west Africa
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Two weeks ago almost looked he was going to fight and win against Putin alone. A real clown
@@criessmiles3620 make sure you turn them the other way when they come knocking for your resources!
100%.. BUT.. on the flipside.. Information changes daily when WARS are involved therefore people are always learning on the FLY, and these issues are bigger then most people will EVER understand without all of the information on the table.
Politicians always talk shit without all the information, hence why they look stupid back-tracking all the time.
Putin's missiles changed his mind. Coz NATO understand Russia doesn't come alone. It comes packaged with China, North Korea and Iran. Rest of the world will not support either side.
This seems like a deliberate move to bring hopes of a membership and then leave them in a mess with Russia, aggrevating the situation further within the region.
True Observation
If other countries avoid the USA to from using them to provoke Russia like ukraine did.... Russia will have no issues with them. Russia has a right to defend itself from threat.
No. Its a deliberate move to respect every single NATO member over not nato members
@@natividadnolasco6097 let's not fool ourselves here. Romania wouldn't have gathered the same support as turkey has. They are the second military provider in the alliance.
@@pankajtekchandani3417 remember that turkey is a very important piece to the puzzle of control for NATO. If Russia were to go to war with nato. Turkey could easily block the enterance the the azov sea
When ever any decision or action taken under "Fear". it is a mistake and many end up paying for it. Fear is biggest enemy of mankind.
Why these great leaders don't love their countrymen
They know exactly what will happen to them next and still doing their own wishes
Because Western democracy is rigged.
So they should cower before Russia instead? No thanks. Finland and Sweden should join and to hell with what Putin thinks.
@@DiogoJ1 its not a matter of should join but a matter of will they be able to join
Torment, read about the knights turned into pirates. Today they run the shadow slave empire on behalf of North Africa.
@@adarshsingh513 Eventually they should be able. All they have to do is wait for Turkey to change their minds or leadership.
The best global actors are on stage again...to read the script...of their director and producer...
@@anonymous.36 well the directors are in USA for sure but.... Are they who we think they are?
@@pranavchauhan9548 Illuminati
Finally a man with knowledge and understanding
Stoltenberg is missing Gestapo uniform to be 100%....
The foreign policies of the western countries are based on racism, if arabs, africans, asians, slavs die by the hundreds of thousands like in Jemen, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine it's not very concerning to them, but if their is a slight chance that they get in harns way, everyone on the planet must be concerned and do their best to give them security, even if it's against their own interest. Think about it, did they realy made an effort to stop the war in Ukraine? Would it be so hard to say, OK Russia we will not expand NATO to your doorstep but you will give security guarantees to your neighbouring countries???? Is it impossible for the western powers to stop the genocide in Jemen? Does Saudi Arabia build the warplanes and bombs themself or do they buy them from the US and other western states? Who are the biggest arms sellers in the world, is it possible that it's the same countries who are always talking about human rights? Is it a human right to die by western made weapons? Is it beneficial for gender equality to be murdered by western bombs irrespective of your gender???
finally someone with common sense, for example. War in ex Yugoslavia in 1989 ( thats when it really started not when the west said it did), west has placed sanctions on entire region and embargo on weapons being given or sold to any side involved. Even Russia was part of it. Yes black market was operating but there was no weapons delivery like they do to Ukraine. If NATO really wanted to stop the war, they would tell Russia ok you stop and we remove sanctions and negotiate from there but the real agenda is to have prolonged war as no western soldiers are at risk ( they dont care about mercenaries ) and to use it globally as an excuse for financial crisis every western country has, all western countries have inflation rising and cost of living raising but they had to hide it somehow as pandemic wasnt any more a valid excuse.
Hmm, interesting how you single out the west, when China's is also based on racism. Not to mention, India's internal social structure is also based on racism/bigotry (caste system). It's also funny that southeast Asia is rated as the most racist area on earth. But it only counts when it's someone else doing it to you right?
PS...I'm Slavic
@@musicointempero2256 iam an indian , to be open colonialisation of india made the caste difference , India is in border issues with once its own part Pakistan because of british rule , britishers distroyed every country they went to , our indian culture was great its britishers who came and distroyed our culture and now it's not britain its america. America should be brought under control other wise they will create world war 3
@@musicointempero2256 Do you see China and India meddling into other countries bussisness as much as the US and cia do!? Not even close.
So all they had to do was say they weren't joining NATO huh?
What about what Putin said when he announced his special military operation? He said they did it to stop the Nazi regime (who is jewish). He said they did it to stop the genocide. He said they did it to stop the biological weapons being made. He said they did it to prevent Ukraine from developing neclear weapons (even though they have had the ability for 50 years). He said they did it to liberate the Ukrainian people from oppression. He said they did it to restore Russian culture to Ukraine. These are all his words, watch his hour + long announcment when this started.
So you think all of those reasons would magically disappear if they said "we aren't going to join NATO"?
Or are you just naive and gullible?
Definitely if we put a hundred people in a room all with their own agenda, ambitions and opinions it will be easy to get agreement... 😉
Hello dear
YES ..WITH ONLY CHINA BECOMING THE WORLD SUPER POWER...EVERY STARTS EATING CHINESE NOODLES EVERYDAY AND START SPEAKING IN MANDARIN AND PLAY PING PONG TO MATCH TO THE CHINESE
@@raj-fg4cx yeah, a perfect communist utopia with wealth equality, gender equality, racial equality for all! Wait are they slave labor camps for ethnic minorities?
Our son, Erick Njoka, congratulations 🏆 it's another level and the grace of God. One step at a time
The grace of God?
@@Cookies2132 no. Your mother's grace
Hahaha. Suddenly Türkiye's concerns become important. Türkiye should leave NATO which has become a joke.
Which ally does Turkey have other than nato.
@@ebonymaw8457 Pakistani street traders
they should be never in the nato !!
@@etiennebaree6176 they’ve been in nato since is creation, do you not know your history
yea turkey isnt making it a less of a joke right now. bazaar street hagglers. i wont set my foot there ever as a turist again.
Congratulations to your new job to Wion!
Congratulations 💖🎉🎊🎉🎉🎉
Listening to Kens and other EU leaders is funniest SNL show ever
Yep these unelected EU leaders lol
Finland and sweden are geting humiliated and called by turkey suporters of terrorism,who?the turks say that who had business with isis, unbelievable that those two rich and democratic countries are letting turkey and nato ridicule them
This situation is depressively comedian. Baltics League format II + Ukraine + Scandinavia and Britain For real is less concerned about terrorism scars then ever. The talk is about war. And Order is giving out of it. It is a matter of man.
It was not just Turkey. Isis was used by Turkey, America and Europe to weaken Assad in Syria.
Are you forgetting merica is a war monger?
Did you know that america in the 0's bombed China and Korea?
Did you know that the war machine america started before WWII still going on?
And the last war america started was in 2010?
With Bogus Proofs...
Yep brainwashing go go...
May i Suggest get your information's from some other sources rather than main stream Media?
WION Included!
@@scamper_van8470 Okay, listen to this phase: What is Putin's real back up of "fantazy tools" because it is clear he is president as formal but he says he is relevant Peter One. So you think Russia with Z's have plans to stop this? Then explain how.
@@butstill3333UA Whats in the plans of Russia i have no Idea..
I can only Comment on what comes out of Russia.
Most certainly it wasn't on Russia intention to have a quick war,the quick war idea came out from America Intelligence..
I can only guess Russia will drag the war for as long as Russia wants..
Even though some speculations say the war is close to be over...
NATO took Turkey for granted, NOW there taking them seriously!!!
Turkiye is and always has been a joke!
Who would NATO fight if turkey were Allie of Russia?!
Er.. They're a member of NATO.
But look at the EU and Turkey , they won’t let them in
Kick Turkey out of NATO. They are a hostile country.
Geopolitics is a very interesting series 🍿🎥 😝
“The fact that developing countries are talking to turkey’s in English“is the biggest scientific breakthrough in the 21th century a very amazing step for all mankind
I thought they'd be gobbling left and right.
Try talking to "supposedly developed" Finns and Swedes in English.
@@garry12777 Ha ha ha... you gave it quite the basting...
Don’t sleep on Turkey , don’t forget the west was in their shadow for 600+ years
Gluk gluk gkuk
Isn’t that ironic with turkey being an eraser of history…
very useful channel for Learning English
I've been followed since last 2 Month and i try to not miss a single video of it.
and More Respect for this Anchor. he never criticize anyone nor Blame others just provides authentic information Regarding Global Issues.
thank you so much again
@M Hynds same
For unbiased news i rely on wion.
Good job on your English. It’s really good.
@M Hynds i look at it as hiding the truth...now when you look at it like that just imagine how far they will go to hide the real juicy stuff 🤔
@M Hynds i can’t wait until everyone else wakes up n realizes that 💯
Turkey is a blackmailer. Stoltenberg is speaking beyond his remit. A strategic alliance CANNOT overrule Democratic countries housing Kurdish freedom fighters
Stoltenberg needs to be removed. Now.
he is full of shit. There is no real threat, erdogan tries to save his presidency.
Then Turkey also has its legitimate right to take the stand that ensures its security.
NATO needs to throw out Turkey and Stoltenberg. Now….
Turkey's decision also democratic. Why are you upset?
Boot Turkey out of NATO
@Kaunis Kaukomieli you forgot erdogans nightmare being turkeys inflation around 70%. major economic power one might say. can you compare turkey to any other new nato members in same manner? bulgaria, estonia, lithuania etc. surely NATO would miss alot if turkey would be left out of the pact.
This whole mess started with Turkey buying s-400 rockets from russia
no the whole mess started with our "allies" refused to sell any air defense system to türkiye, nearly a decade türkiye tried to buy from Nato memebers proper Airdefense, but as exaple every time it was Vetod at Us kongress. What the hell should Turkey suppose to do? Stay without any air defense system? and on the side Russia sold the s400 systems even that Türkiye shut down their aircraft... Türkiye doesn't have any problems with negotiating with Russia but with our "allies" we have.
That’s not true lol 😂
It started way earlier
@@bartin7427 thx for the info you are right about the veto ; Turkey is smart enough to build its own air defense . That would have been better. but buying from putin , as our allie , sent a wrong message. NATO should have given air defense ; but U.S. already has so many bases In Turkey to defend you.
@@theonly6359 shit. when was that...
What a miss! Turkiye is asking Sweden/ Finland to turn in those guys to there government and turkiye is really important in-terms of geographic so what’s the move. That’s how you know this guys(eu) was not on the table when the American and Britain were planning.
Legitimate concern? Turkey can raise existential concern. Russia raised it legitimate existental concern,too. How come Nato did not see this fact? Greedy to expand,isnt it?
u r mad, that nato or ukraine threatens russia is the stupidest lie i have heard
@@unsatura did nukes in cuba threathened usa?
@@unsatura You should leave school and go home now
@@unsatura конечно угрожает! Все последние события вокруг России и Украины результат агрессивной политики НАТО !
Funny you are talking about Russia existential concerns. Do you know that Russia has nukes? The last time Russia was threatened to be invaded by anyone was in 1942.
The only countries whit legitimate existential concerns I see are Moldova and Ukraine.
What Russia is concerned is that it won’t be able to manipulate those countries that easy anymore.
According to the Russia Nato founding act from 1997 the US nor Russia were allowed to station nuclear weapons in east Europe no matter in which alliance those countries are. This treaty was abandoned first by Russia then by the US and UK in march 2022. Now the US can station nuclear weapons in any countries bordering Russia no matter if they are in Nato or not. A Nato membership was never a requirements to host those weapons.
Do not conflate Finland with Sweden in this and remember that applications to NATO are individual.
Sweden prides itself as being all things to everyone and "support" for Kurds is in there with other virtue-signalling things which Sweden polishes and displays while hiding violent crime in many cities.
There are 30 or so Kurds arrested for something and Turkey has asked for extradition. The precise details and legal niceties need to be described clearly rather than the fog of ignorance reducing a complex matter to a simple stand-off between Turkey (joined NATO 1952) has a distinguished history of action and mediation but it has a long running dispute with a particular Kurdish political group. Not with all Kurds and many are key in the armed services and industry as well as government and diplomacy.
People in the west fail to understand that Turkey has the key to the Black Sea to Caspian region with proximate neighbors (especially Khazakstan) the towards the lands where Indian/Chinese trade will expand. Russian railways will also be involved and Chinese investment will improve development in the Eurasian sector after the Ukraine conflict is resolved. Do not underestimate Turkey but also do not mistake it for being other than itself.
The status of the 30 prisoners is for lawyers and so calm down and Sweden will or will not join NATO after a lot more talking and soul searching -- notably about its "strategic neutrality" = hypocrisy 1939-1945 and whether or not the country's weakness of government stability would make it a reliable NATO partner.
Finland is Nordic but not Scandinavian. Its culture is unique and a self-reliant society emerged from the the post-1945 years, a few ceremonial border treaties with the Soviets and votes against hosting foreign troops.
If it joins NATO it offers passive tracking for military and civil use entering the Arctic development phase by relevant nations but Finland will not tolerate being used by the USA -- the leader of NATO -- for threats or 'special equipment'.
NATO really could do with new leadership because Stoltenberg is tired and was about to end a long term. Perhaps Secs General should no longer be ex senior politicians.
Both are one
i dont think you understand the absolute power the US has within Nato.
lmao! Finland is nOt sCaNdiNaViAn!!!
Nordic countries ARE SCANDINAVIAN but all Scandinavian countries are NOT Nordic.
Thanks for the aneurysm 🤣
JUST DO IT FOR THE RIGHT REASON....SO MANY LIVES ARE AT STAKE...GOD BLESS THIS MESS....🙏.... 🇺🇸
Love to 🇫🇮 🇸🇪 🇹🇷 needs to go
I'm sorry, but I'm sticking with Turkey in English. Turkey, Turkey, Turkey is the legitimate name of the country in English. Fun fact: the bird was named after the country, not the other way around. Ankara is the capital of TURKEY. Turkey!
then your a fool their name is Turkiye you should respect the countries name not what you want to call them
You are very cool
UN has officially confirmed and announced the country's name change of Turkey to Turkiye. It's not important what you people say but UN and NATO. In Turkish products or services, you will observe "Made in Türkiye" instead of Turkey after now.
@@gokhantaylan5419 Aren't they pronounced the same still or no?
I agree.
The country’s name is Turkey, and the people who live there are turkeys.
Stoltenberg is a nut case
Same way EU had not supported Turkey membership because of religion.
It s not about religion, Turkey has still serious issues, that lead to be not accepted as EU candidate
@@vivavideo-videofilmer What are some of these serious issues?
Turkey is right, it would be better if based on the condition that they would be admitted if Russia treated them like Ukraine and cremia
Turkey, Turkiye, Tarky, Tarkiye. How many different pronunciations can we invent?
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however you like. Similar to UK, Britain, England, Angleterra, ingiltere, yinggou,... no problem as long as the others understand. We are not corresponding with UN General Assembly Secretariat,
Tahoot
Until 2016, Turkey was never so much in news cycle. Now it's in news every week. Lol
Turks was the strongest state in the world in 7th century and 16th century. Except the last two centuries they were "making" the news.
@@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810 there were many such regions strong and weak over thousands of years of history. Does it really matte? Right now Turkey is a religious and backward nation. They are barking due to support from Russia thts it.
@@ranjithrpj Turks howl (greywolf is the symbol), Indians bark. Turkey might be poorer than should be but still millions time better than some smelly nations.
@@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810 Turkey reminds me of the actual 🦃
Don’t know why an Islamic country is part of NATO, but then again tiny nations like Romania & Bulgaria are also part of NATO like 🦃 lol
Sweden and Finland should remain non NATO countries
Finland and Sweden now have to swallow their pride and decide to keep their principles or sell out and join NATO
They have to join. Forget about pride. Putin will not stop after swallowing Ukraine. He lost control over his own mind. Only his death can stop rebirth of Russian empire
When countries join NATO they loose their independence in the way and have to pay a lot for it. I am not sure it’s worth it. Nobody really threatened them. It’s better to stay neutral, even from economic point of view.
@@Lara-cs8ke It's not like Russia totally didn't invade Finland multiple times in history at all.
Greetings from Sweden.
It is impossible to comply with all requests from Turkey.
Sweden is a country of law and will never extradict peaceful members of the peaceful Gulen movement. Please be aware that USA and other EU countries do the same. For example, Fethullah Gülen is still safe in USA.
The worst accusations are lies. Sweden has always fought terrorism and was the first country to ban PKK as a terrorist organization.
There are lots of Kurdish refugees in Sweden and Erdogan claims that all their organizations are terrorists. I don’t believe Erdogan, but I believe that my government is open to discussions if Erdogan can present evidence.
Finland is less complicated as they have less immigrants. Finland needs Nato more than Sweden.
Finland should not fight as a Hitler allies, so it was then. Then why Finland wants to join military alliance again?
The EU need Sweden and Finland , and vice versa ..The Turks have no say in the matter
So, EU must create its own army then. They even proposed an army of 5.000 soldiers. 5.000? They want to protect 8.000.000 squarekms with 5.000. Clowns.
If you want Turkiye to accept Sweden and Finland, then Fethullah Gülen must be handed over to Turkish authorities.
True it must be a win win situation.....you scratch my back and i scratch yours...Turkey is coming up well
What a mess!
F,S: We are afraid, we are joining NATO.
Russia: That's fine, just don't put American nukes on your territory.
Turkiye: No, they are not joining, I veto it.
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It seems like turkey and russia playing together against NATO.
@@ronnyrudeboy7461 Türkiye is playing both sides. It knows it use both sides to its advantage, so it's totally a NATO style move.
NATO: Screw all of you. Finland and Sweden will be NATO allies anyway.
If Turkey allowed Greece to rejoin nato then Finland and Sweden will join too Turkey just wants something in return endrogan won’t win re-election unless nato does favors
Turkey is playing for his own side. He provided weapons to Ukraine and same time expelled S/F Nato
Turkiye can't decide on which side they are on.
Trouble in paradise! Both Fins and Swedes are the winners here, they need to thank Turkey.
Turkiye just saved these two countries from becoming the next Ukraine.
Ukraine wanted to join NATO for many years but did NATO let Them in?
No!
Ukraine was a neutral country by when Russia invaded Crimea in 2014 and Still neutral 2022 when Russia invaded again...
@Henrik L
They did a pretty good job of letting the world now that they wouldn't want to remain neutral. That's what provoked Russia.
@@henrikl4244 Ukraine neutral? Such an uninformed comment. You live in dreamland.
Yes thank turkey for saving the lives of the Swiss and Finnish people.
Two of the most democratic countries are asked to forget about their principals
Every powerless countries are being asked you are not special
NATO is clueless coming out so late to say this after acceptiing their application.
If you apply for job , it does not mean you get the job....
Turkey's concerns are legitimate
Nonsense. Turkey cheered as terrorists attacked in France. Turkey also labels all Kurds and political opponents of Erdogan dictatorship as suspected terrorists. Turkey has attacked NATO allies. This is just about getting some leverage, as usual and has nothing to do with reality.
Turkey never attacked NATO allies and they never cheered when terrorists attacked France, Germany or any other nation. It's probably the other way around.
Did you forget Turkey got attacked by ISIS too??
Turkey just recently built a huge Armenian Church.
Turkey of 2022 is not Turkey of 2011. Despite what Communist Kurds or Pan-Arab nationalists or racist people want you to believe.
@@stupidburp sorry but you have no idea what is going on. How old are you? Before making any judgement, first study for the subject. Turkiye's population is over 85 million. Kurdish people living as a Turkish citizen is more than 14% of the total population . There are many Kurdish professors, ministers, soldiers, movie stars, singers, etc. living in Turkey as a Turkish citizen freely. Turkiye's problem is PKK which is a terrorist organization and killed many civilian people. PKK is killing their own kurdish people which are Turkish citizen. The Pinarcik massacre was the killing of 24 kurdish women and children and eight village guards on 20 June 1987, in the village of Pınarcık, in the Mardin by ARGK units of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The dead consisted of 16 children, eight village guards, and eight women. Aliza Marcus, a specialist on the conflict, describes it as "the PKK's most brutal attack on villagers since the state-sponsored militia had been formed". You are siding with an organization who kills women and children. Sorry we can forgive but never forget the history.
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Sweden and Finland should be in NATO over Turkey
Sweden and Finland have no importance to NATO. They would only be a liability.
Turkey should leave NATO because they always bloody moaning that one thing are another
@Erol Sayn Not exactly but they are caving on letting Sweden and Finland for wrong reasons.
Stop daydreaming. Who wants the villagers of Europe in NATO. If you are brave enough, go and fight against Russia, Sweden and Finland's existence is related to be being a buffer zone to Russia. No more, no less.
@@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810 really?
Didn't Findland already fight Russia? They don't want to be done luke Ukraine
Don’t the country applying to NATO need a referendum or something like that to consider it legitimate? I haven’t seen or heard any of that and I live in Sweden
Public opinion polls were made that ruled in favor of NATO - membership. Therefore no referendum was called upon in Sweden.
no ? as a fellow swede we just need a majority of people in the riksdag to be for it. and awe have overwhelming suport for it only 2 smal parties are against. when you vote you choose who is going to represent you that include military politics!
No. As has been said. All the 30 members have joined without a referendum.
Your government was democratically elected, doesn't that mean they can make decisions for the country ?
Taqiya is lying.
Stand together or fall apart.
... and if you don't trust the person standing next to you?
Is Turkiye some sudden new spelling for Turkey? Never heard this before
why are Turkey so angry people
Cause they belong to ummah and here, unfortunately they’re part of NATO.
Turkey doesn't oppose Finland. They oppose Sweden. They never should applied jointly to NATO.
I wait for more news thank you
I don't even know why turkey is part of NATO in the first place
Cuz Turkey is much more powerful than all European countries (except 3 nations).
Turkey is a victim of nato...just remember when nato invaded middle east, majority of refugess went to turkey
@@WanWanOfficialX Turkey always playing victim they just want all the attention, seems like they're doing nothing but making a big spectacle of theirselves..
@@itsraid_bitchez8084 then how about turkey send their middle east refugees to europe?
When US invaded afghanistan....more than 10k afghan refugees came to my country which is quite far from afghanistan.
Nato doesnt pay any responsibilities for the refugee crisis they made
@@WanWanOfficialX You're right about the first 2 sentences but wrong about the last one. NATO does pay responsibilities, didn't you hear of the refugee crisis in EU? How is that not NATO doing its part. Do you know how much foreign aid the US sent to the Mid-east, ridiculous amounts. The US also took refugees from Afghanistan as well. Turkey does provide important help with their refugee and immigration policies but don't pretend like its the only nation that does so. The US is still the nation that takes in the most immigrants and refugees around the world, so get off the high horse a bit.
EU should realize US goal in Europe might not be Europe's best interest
Sure EU should leave NATO and become communist. Bright idea.
USA as always is trying to fool others
Very good move by turkey 🦃
In America we eat Turkey for Thanksgiving to our Lord God for His bounty.
@@gregoryharris8706 on point 💯
@@gregoryharris8706 800k orphans millions of Iraqis
Vietnam village genocide
Thousands of Afghanistans
You want to apologize?
@@gregoryharris8706 Syrian Genocide, Kurdish Genocides we could go on.
johnny is russian soy boy
Finland president mumbled & seemed incoherent?
That's a typical Finnish display of disappointment .
He realised that Finland is an ignorable entity. Hard to stomach.
Erdogan vs Palki: Erdogan 1, Palki 0
Turkiye vs India: Turkiye 1, India 0
Well, well, well! I hope Turkey stands firm on this matter! But I wonder what is really going on?
Why?
They just want nato favors like before when they allowed Greece to rejoin nato
What?
LOL! It is just as I have been saying. No one really wants Finland or Sweden to join NATO at this time, not even Finland and Sweden. It was just a bargaining ploy to put Russia under pressure to stop the war. It turns out that Tukiye's is the best thing that could have happened to NATO, Finland, and Sweden.
Yeah makes sense
Do you live in Sweden or Finland?
Or are you just made that Up?
I'm that living there could tell you that if Russia would not been agressive and invaded 3 neighbours country's in just 14 years we could stay neutral but with a agressive Russia as neighbour that's threat us to sign agreement we don't want and threat us with Nuke joining NATO are probobly needed.
So more people are positivt to joining then not.
@@henrikl4244 i dont think putin can invade finland or sweden really trough that forests and snow, so you joining nato is just provocation
@@henrikl4244 respectfully, nonsense. None want Sweden or Finland to join NATO now. Perhaps in 10 years, but certainly not now because it would provoke Russia to war.
russian troll
Taiwan massive fish export to the Mainland is being used to pay for US weapons against the Mainland. I think, China action is at the very least of it, is reciprocal to the Island's aggression. I am from a tiny rich country in Southeast Asia, I've nothing to gain either from the Chinese mainland or the Island. It's just common sense. Better just to east (ease) tension and choose peace, for both the prosperity and longevity of the people of the Island and the peace and development for the mainland. That means .. stop listening to US and go to discuss it with each other. Because if you seek US assistance, the moment you meet US for assistance, their understanding, or their eyes will lit up, because it already means Arm Industry opportunity and war. Its foolish to do that right now. It will suck the blood out of the Island.
only logic can prevail bt these people listening to the west become deaf to logic
Turkey is hurting for money and wants money out of this deal. As soon as Turkey gets what it wants it will throw a party to celebrate Finland's and Sweden's membership into NATO.
God save Sweden and Finland
God or NATO?
Turkiye flexing her muscles, I'm here for it!
What muscles are you talking about? Turkey as huge economical problem, they are military equipment are mostly old. Do you want me to continue?
@@wsson7177 True, but can be said of almost half of Europe. I'm specifically referring to Turkiye's stand on NATO membership for those Northern European countries. It is muscle and I'm sure several countries didn't expect this.
@@Tonilategola Pff. An earthquake and that resolution is gone.
Doesn't look like a real human being speak the NATO chef
This proves yet again what a mistake it was for the Western powers to not hold the Dardanelles for themselves and/or Greece after WWI. Without this strategic straight Turkey would not be that important to NATO.
Except that Turkey is NOT important to the alliance.
They tried and failed. Total casualty was 585.000 people (similar to an average Arab nation in that time).
Yes, they lost the war and their grand grandparents fertilized the Turkish soil. Thank you
Nato doesn't want Russia to expend, Russia doesn't want Nato to expend... So they both want expend not to let the other expend... Same goals, different methods . One more "direct" than the other.
russia is like 2.5 times bigger than nato
@@DerrickCartercosmostravels just USA and CA combined are bigger than and have 2.5 times the population of Russia, and that's just the american countries of NATO. The total population of NATO countries is almost 1 billion...
@@DerrickCartercosmostravels Russia has military 10% of NATO.
46 American biolabs in Ukraine might needed to be discussed.
Only 46, why not say 460 and be done with it oh heck let's just say 4,600 or ask Putin or Lavrov to come up with a number !!!! Load of Crap, Slava Ukraini
Haha! Why not!
President Erdogan's opposition seems to be based on completely different things from those officially presented by Turkey. For how else to interpret that Turkey throughout the process until only days remained before Sweden and Finland submitted their official applications supported membership for both countries. At the end of last week, President Niinistö revealed that in a conversation with Erdogan on April 4, he personally received the Turkish president's yes to a Finnish membership. - At the end of a fairly long discussion, Erdogan said that if you apply for NATO membership, we will look at it positively, Niinistö says in an interview with Ilta-Sanomat.
At the same time, Erdogan has denied that he intends to invade northern Syria again to create a broad buffer zone between the areas controlled by the Kurdish YPG and Turkey. But since Turkey then risks ending up in direct fighting with the Russian soldiers in the area, Erdogan must get some kind of green light from Putin. By arguing about NATO enlargement, he hopes to win plus points from Putin. At home, he must win an election to be held next year. Most opinion polls show that he risks losing. To show that he can force the United States and other NATO countries to make concessions, he hopes to increase voter support.
Bringing life to the fight against the terror-branded PKK, the main internal enemy, also goes home to the electorate and makes it easier to ban the pro-Kurdish party HDP. Sweden and Finland's NATO applications have ended up in the middle of a complex political game where the two countries do not have control over their own destiny even if they make concessions to Turkey. In the end, it is how far the United States is prepared to go to pressure Turkey that makes the decision. Given what Joe Biden has said so far, it is difficult to see that the United States would accept a continued Turkish veto against Sweden and Finland for any length of time.
Çok basit.ver teröristleri,yazılı olarak taahhüt et teröristlere yardım etmeyeceğini, gir NATO ya.niye yapamıyorlar, korkuyorlarmı bekledikleri teröristlerden.Erdogan hep söyledi avrupa ya beklediğiniz terör örgütleri bir gün gelir size döner diye.ileri görüşlü bir adam.aglamak yok şimdi.
Finland is a beautiful country and Russia has cleared numerous times that it has no interest in it unless it is a threat to Russia which Finnish leadership is exactly what is doing by joining NATO and there is absolutely no need for it.
Russia days before they invaded Ukraine: "we have no intentions of invading the Ukraine"!!!!
Lol! The same Russia that declared over and over that they had "no intention" and "no plans" to invade Ukraine. What a fool!
@@covertpuppytwo3857 Cha ching! That pretty much covers it!
@@covertpuppytwo3857 they still don't have intentions. Stopping them from joining NATO is the goal.
@@yogeshkumarallum2540 ukraine wouldn’t have been able to join nato regardless or not there where countries opposed to it vetoing it and denied it entry so that’s just a false flag again from Russia to take territory like it did in Georgia
Many other trade partners in the area for Tiawan. This is a great way to diversify their exports to other nations.
Unity matters to fight for human dignity..
Only problem is nato and the U.S showed many times they dont care about human dignity hence bombing cities to the stone age
@@nkosibless2253 Focus at Present .. NATO and US helping The Dignity of Ukraine..
@@charlespadamada5979 you are ill informed at present the U.S is invading somalia,solomons Islands cuasing tensions in Taiwan,Turkey is invading greece,and all of them are nato members Nato is an empire of lies even ukraine operation is caused by the U.S by trying to weaken Russia as per anthony blinken nothing to do with the people
@@nkosibless2253 Arm Taiwan with Nukes for Self Defense Against any Threat..
They have to take Turkey seriously, now they realise.
Turkiye bro
Sweden and Finland talked with them and did take them seriously. Asked them Long before they sign the NATO request and Turkey Said they had No problems.
But same week they sign Turkey change and not talked with Sweden or Finland. They talked with press...
That's not how to treat Friends.
And I call Them Turkey until they start act as adult and stop come with false accusations.
Swedish weapons in the hands of PKK is not the same as Sweden support them. USA is also made those weapons and they already Said they support the Kurdish fighters in Syria with weapons, why would those weapons not been weapons from USA.
Sweden give YPG money, first not many countries count YPG as terrorist but Still Sweden have not send money to them.
Sweden have been given money to help organizations like UN to support North Syria with food, water and education..
Sweden have been talking with People that Turkey count as terrorist, Sweden talk with North Korea to but that don't make them support them..
Sweden support PKK, Sweden was even the second country in the world to start count PKK as a terrorist organisation back in 1984...
Sweden host ex PKK.. if they are ex what's the problem? One on that list of ex PKK terrorist that Turkey wanted was a 75 years old doctor that died 2015... If they not even Keep records that he died ( as they was informed ) then I don't belive in their evidens.
One other was a woman that was Kurdish politic in Turkey and was arrested and Put in jail in Turkey after she been in a pkk area. After she was release she moved to Sweden and started a none political life.
One Guy that Turkey wanted as a pkk terrorist they some years ago wanted for killing Kurdish PKK members and now they wanted him as a pkk terrorist. Make Up your mind!! Swedish law system have look into His cases and there was No evidence in any of those cases.
Turkey is a joke. Not to be taken seriously.
Oh well, history is made in time.
Turkey’s is a wolf dress like a man or a turkey 🦃
Then america is what Lucifer himself
Wolf is a compliment for Turks especially Greywolf. Turks would be very happy to be called as "greywolf" .
pride for us to be wolves :D
@@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810 you are Miss in translation
NATO knows turkey rejects it, and russia dont get angry
And what if it is angry?
Politicians always engineer the catastrophies in the world 🌎. They can't be manipulated in anytime.
So funny indeed. So believing who is right and wrong is a big challenge.
Bottom line. It's Turkey.
Turkia is one of the oldest member of Nato ,isn't it obvious that Nato chief will be more concern about it's Member problem then would be one.
Shame on them. Sweden & Finland. I don’t think I can stand this disgrace
what disgrace? two sovereign democratic countries can do what ever they like.
@@Seitbp242 Yes, they can do whatever they want but that's not what they did. NATO pushed them to apply so that they accept them quickly as a way of telling Russia.. "Yea we fucked you up!"
Unfortunately for them, it didn't go as planned. Finland and Sweden were fooled just like Ukraine, but in their case they may be accepted at a later time. Note: Native Finnish and Swedish don't accept this NATO bid, it's Washington backed
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@Kaunis Kaukomieli now ofcourse she said that. you didnt need to choose even the right words from her statement to fit your cause. and i dont see how one person can choose what ever any democratic country is. we still have parliament here to vote and to deside about things. but i so feel for your grief while sweden and finland joins NATO.
These countries are just punching bags for Russia, USA and NATO at this point. 🤦🏻
Bullshit.
Biting themselves in the tale
Long Live the Kurds
Turkey is smart trying to squeeze as much they can for their country interests
Jelkers
it is a gamble, but if Sweden/Finland retracts application, almost whole Baltic sea region may end being pissed at Turkey for not letting to improve their security. That region consists of multiple EU countries having veto rights, so further EU-Turkey deals can become even more complicated.
@@ZaltysZ The west never trusts Turkiye so this event won't change much
Hot damn! Jens Stoltenberg seems to be aspiring to become the Neville Chamberlain of our times!
If Edrogan wasnt there there would he no problem.
It's fine all Finland and Sweden need to do is band together with Norway and Denmark and they can hold their own
Sweden and Finland and also other Nordic countries will hold this band, its clear
@@riittakeskikuru8172 my point is they don't need NATO if Norway Finland and Denmark , Iceland and Greenland is owned by Denmark I think they got the people and resources to hold there own. This B's NATO crap is crap the only thing NATO see Americans good for was beating the nazies in reality if America fight Nazi Germany on its own it would have lost my point is European countries are stronger than they think.
i agree with Turkey name change but Kiev is kiev and always be kiev, People who say Kyiv are russophobic.
Hot Air
Ukrainians can call their cities whatever they want. America named Saurkraut into Liberty Cabbage during our World Wars with Germany, if they want a less Russian-dominated name that's Ukrainians' choice. Maybe they want more of their own national pride and history instead of the one the Russian Tsardom and Soviet Empire forced upon them.
With good reason to be russophobic, a useless country who easily threatens nuclear war.
It would be the same as Vatican changed Rome's name into ryonne or smth. It's disrespecting history. Kiev is an ancient name. Ukraine didn't even exist 150 years ago and now they are changing historic name to erase history. It's very shwabian way of destroying values
game on
Now that's hilarious what China reportedly has said. Since when has China cared about safe foods or the well being of its people?
since forever i suppose?
Or there wouldn't be 1.6 billion chines in china i suppose?
yeah or the 500 million people they lifted out of poverty the last 50 years.
@@scamper_van8470 they are not even 1.4 billion anymore !
since the beginning, what the hell are you talking about Mark? are you out of your mind or something?
@@scamper_van8470 No, people are a resource to the CCP. Their freedom is very restricted and its been proven time and time again lmao
Why don't the NATO call out Turkey for having terrorists in their country or call them out for sending a bunch of immigrants to Greece border and trying to have hybrid warfare.
Yeh toh hona hee tha. 😂
America used Finland Sweden and abandoned them through there puppet turkey/ 🦃🦃🦃🦃🦃
Our choices had nothing to do with USA, it was more that all our neighbors are in NATO and EU didn't get that defense force so now when we had to pick a side there was only NATO to pick. Like we already have defense agreements with most neighbor's and EU, but politics makes an easy task very complicated so if we have double and triple agreements it should be enough :D
@@amadeuz8161 i understand russia is aggressive and becoming a bully but u chosen wrong friend nato=usa and it just used Finland and Sweden as bargaining tool to deal with russia. U should start doing bilateral defence pact to bypass turkey 🦃.
@@BOBO-wl3yp If Swe and Fin joins NATO there will be less USA in Europe so they will gain on it too and can concentrate more on the other side. Many Americans are starting to open their eyes to see that their system ain't as perfect as they thought it to be when comparing themselves with Europe so the influence goes both ways.
I'm just watching the talks between our president and Stoltenberg. The Turkiye issue seems not to be only about us, more a shout from Turkiye to the rest of NATO to take their terrorist problem seriously and not just write down a law and say ok we did it. We do have diplomats that have managed to see both sides in issues before and get groups down to talk so maybe we can be a good tool for Turkiye to get their voice heard(There is a risk that Erdogan is just using this as a tool to get reelected but lets hope their complaints are real and from the hearth).
We already have defensive pact in EU, we have separate pacts with our neighbors. USA ain't using us, it was our choice to apply because the war in Ukraine brings back the history we had with USSR and this time even if Russia is weak compared to USSR we have to have all possible alliances not to have to do it alone again.
So what USA gains from us joining is the European front getting stronger and will free up some resources for them(yes they will still send troops here to train with Europe but they don't need as many permanent troops)
What we gain from NATO. We get triple defensive alliances with some, double with others and then we get Norway, Canada, USA and Turkiye also(I might have missed someone). Like stoltenberg said: When we are in NATO the Nordic countries can have their own defensive force(Yes we are that united that we don't even bother to defend towards each other).
What we also gain is another legit reason to protect Estonia and the other NATO members can protect them better(yes they are one of our family members that managed to survive the horrors of "Russia" towards our people). You do know that back in the day Finland sent volunteers into USSR to help our siblings to get free, like we were a thorn in "Russia's" back until they let us go and after that we tried to help them to be part of Europe instead of a thorn in Europe's side.
Putin ruined everything that the generations had achieved and now it will probably take 80 years again for them to even be trusted.... Like this whole thing is so stupid. Yes we all disagree with a lot but is war the solution...
@@BOBO-wl3yp Forgot the most important point Turkiye doesn't seems to understand. In NATO the intelligence would be shared so their concerns could be resolved. Just because EU has had some problems with Erdo it doesn't mean we want to exclude Turkiye. I have been there 3 times and yes their culture is a bit of a shock it was interesting learning about them and their history(Yes I could never live in a country with that man shouting in a tower every morning but there it was nice to wake up in time to explore the country).
In sorry. So Finland and Sweden are out of the picture? Uh, if anyone is out its gay Turkey.
The time will come that NATO says "Yeah , Russia is fighting with Terrorists In Ukraine , WE should have solved this issue together, we shouldn't have give weapons to them"
Putin now on his table drinking expensive wine.. they tried to bring him down using ukraine but the table turned against them and now they tryed using finland and sweden expecting Russia to attack but to their surprise Putin is twice ahead of their plans and now they are changing stories 😂😂😂
Слишком много невинных людей погибло. Слишком много мужчин, женщин и детей убито. Пусть Баба Яга заберет душу Путина.
You're saying NATO tried to provoke Putin to invade Scandinavia, by receiving Swedish and Finnish membership applications? how stupid are you?
Why has the table turned? This conflict (war) is far from over.
Many countries will be pleased if Europe and USA destroyed themselves anyway along with russia, 90% of the causes for conflict and misery in this world. Hypocrisy knows no bounds for them
So much bs
What is "Turkiye"? A fried turkey?
Between the two countries? Lol. Taiwan is not a country,it is part of China.
If that is the case, then Netherlands should also be disbarred from NATO since Netherlands is supporting the number 1 and major Terrorists in the Philippines which is the CPP-NPA-NDF. The Netherlands government is not just only supporting those terrorists but also protecting and cuddling its founder and leader of the terrorists who is currently living in Netherlands under the protection of its government. Well, we all know the Netherlands 🇳🇱 government supports the terrorists because the leader of the terrorists made an arrangement to give its 35% of the illegal money to the Netherlands. Those money are grabbed illegally by the CPP-NPA terrorists lead by Jose Maria Sison (JOMAR) through means of either threatening or killing the innocent Filipino civilians. So yeah, everybody is hypocrites
What happens in philippines doesn't matter to NATO
Turkey should have no say in the matter if Finland and Sweden want to join NATO they should be welcomed with open arms
Turkey is a NATO ally and has a veto right. And yoh are?
Turkiye is incredibly important because of their geography and demography.
Turkish population is 80+ million and has 4 million refugees which Europe does not want.
The Balkans (Cyprus, Greece, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzegovins and Croatia) is extremely vulnerable due to their low population.
They never colonized like Western Europe and Russia did.
Said armchair general Kevin.
@@egelisk4943 he want the whole organization to betray their own rule just to let his team come in lol
Well done Turkey, for not escalating this shjt.
I'm just a regular dude from a little country called Holland, but i've called this shit for years...
This is very sad, these hypocrites call the same people who fought in the front lines against ISIS terrorist, who sacrificed both women and men for the sake of humanity yet, they are called terrorist! Why didn't Turkey rise concerns when Qatar was funding ISIS...2017 they were literally touching borders
PKK_YPG wasn't fighting Isis for the sake of humanity. They were fighting to save their own ass and Isis was crushing them until America came and saved them. If anything, it should be the terrorist PKK_YPG to be grateful to America for saving their ass from Isis.
Terrorist can fight terrorists doesent make em good
@@mustimon this is very funny coming from a state that supports terrorism and extremism....that led many islamist extremist from Europe to syria and Iraq to kill innocent people
It was Kurds who were fighting Al Qaeda and Isis murderers while the US provided air strikes. Sure wasn't Turkey!!
@@michaelbee2165 yes we know that bro...that's what I said....but these Turks don't like acknowledging such things Kurds were brave enough to fight them women and men....something turks didn't do...they provided guns and money to isis
Why is no one talking about the Armenian genocide committed by Turkiye?
Finns did not expect this. Turkey is an much important ally to Nato. Its concern should be addressed. Cold truth!! 🤣
Turkey is a threat to NATO. They have cheered on terrorists in France and attacked NATO allies and moved away from values of other members towards dictatorship.
Turkey is only interested in Turkey.
Offcorse they did not.
They been talking with Turkey, NATO have been talking with Turkey about Sweden and Finland joining NATO.
Turkey have never Said anything about this isue they have, until they in the press, not to Sweden and Finland, to the new's the same week they sign the request to join.
We expected some problems along the line but maybe not this particular one. Theres barely any kurds in Finland. There are far more kurds and PKK members in other nato countries after all and yet they are of no concern to Erdogan but I guess we are easy targets to get something else instead (military deal etc)
@@Waaritus Turkey lost a lot due to Lipponen the idiot's promises. Great states don't forget the minnow's lies/betrayels.
Enough is enough .
And Turkey supports Pakistan. Such hypocrites
I honestly don't like turkey as a NATO ally they play both sides. One minute they are on our side then the next they on the enemy side. Very strange
Islamic country!!!
@Kaunis Kaukomieli are you going to be surprised if it turns out it was only one tiny man, erdogan who only wanted to make some ground for his own election campaign and this whole hassle had nothing to do with turkey itself at all.
@Kaunis Kaukomieli New York City doesn't play by international laws when its independent role or using "geopolitical power" is challenged? New York City??? Not a nation, not a state but a city inside the US does??? ROFL...