What Preppers Need To Know About Fuel.
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Some things that people need to know about fuel, especially in the preparedness context.
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My dad was still using his horses on his fields in the 60s.
Find yourself a local company that refills propane bottles and buy your own bottles, most large hardware stores have them. The bottle exchanges leave much to be desired, and if you start out with your own new bottles you will always know your bottles are good. I can't count the number of times I bought refilled propane bottles at the local stores, only to find out that there was something wrong with it. Lots of the "exchange" bottles I've seen had quite a bit of rust under the bottom ring, or there was something wrong with the valve in some way. It usually cheaper in my area to have propane bottles refilled, rather than exchanging them, and when they're refilled for you, they are really full.
YES! We do too
We only use exchange when we have the old bottles.
If you get decent solar set-up with a battery back-up, you can use an electric, cordless chainsaw (which are actually decent quality now). They can be charged and used as much as you want and are quiet. I installed enough solar to run my freezer, refrigerator and sump pump all the time and, on sunny days, can charge other stuff, like a chain saw, with no loss of power.
Part of my draw to going to electric vehicle or motorcycle... in my opinion the ultimate warm climate unit would be a 48v golf cart with a solar pannel on the roof.
I have about 17kwh of storage, and 10-15kwh daily solar generation
I store non-ethanol gasoline only. I normally use Sta-bil but have used Pri-G as well. Pri-G is a little mote expensive but it is also supposed to be a gasoline “ rejuvenator”. So if gas is old it will supposedly restore it. I store about 60% of my gasoline in plastic container and the rest in metal cans. I have not noticed any difference in performance. I have used non-ethanol fuel gas with stabilizer that was stored for 3 years NO PROBLEMS. I will be testing a can for 4 years next summer. The issue with ethanol fuel isn’t just with fuel lines but also corrosion of metal in the engine. Look up a video by UA-cam channel Project Farm where he does a compare/contrast between ethanol and non-ethanol fuel. Something else that I keep in my preps is octane booster and several type of carb/choke cleaners. A few years after SHTF bad gas might be our only option so having some octane booster and carb/choke cleaner may help in using the older gas. I do store several types and diameters of fuel line, in line fuel filters, and clamps too. Make sure you have spare nozzles/spouts for your gas cans as well.
Pri-G is actually cheaper per dose of stored gallon of gas!
Do the math, I was surprised too.
I certainly agree with non Ethanol fuel. However I have kept a 5 gallon can of 10% Ethanol 87 octane for 3 years before use and used it on some test small engines with no issues, of course long term it's not a good idea but if it's your only option a little bit of Ethanol mixed fuel in a pinch has lasted way longer than I thought it would of.
PRI-G for gas or PRI-D for diesel are good for 5 years and then can be treated again. There are various octane levels for non-ethanol gas so read your manuals and store the appropriate one. I know the folks at Grindstone Ministries use the engineered fuels for their chainsaws in their disaster relief missions. They stated it rules out someone running a saw without adding the lube and the saws actually run better.
@@markchase5323 I store 91 octane non ethanol fuel in 55 gallon drums treated with Pri-G I have had it for 8 yrs I have 5 full drums. I decided to rotate it out and have run it in everything from weed eaters to my yukon xl with no problems. the fuel is kept in a shed on pallets and grounded with a 20' rod. every 2 years I add more Pri-G to rejuvenate the fuel. I also have a funnel that separates water from the fuel it cost me about 40 bucks but it works and was money well spent.
PRI-G is cheaper to use than Stabil because you only use 1/3oz for 5 gallons. Stabil is garbage and I quit using it 20 years ago. I had a gas waterpump that wouldn't start after 1-1/2 years. Drained it and added new Gas and it fired right up. I have over 96 carburetors on equipment in my garage. I don't have to worry if anything will start anymore. Most stuff can set 2 years and will fire up in 2 to 3 pulls.
Wow. Did not know a lot of this stuff, Modern Refugee. Thanks for posting!!
@@averagejoesmiling456 thank you!
Thank you MR great topic. From Northern AZ currently home visiting Brainerd, MN
My gasoline storage is set up to rotate my stock. I have 12 fifteen gallon drums that are labeled January, February, etc. In January I empty that barrel into one of my trucks, then refill it and put it on a shelf until next year. You can figure out the other 11 months. I only store non-ethanol fuel and I treat it with Star-Tron.
Star-tron is the only one that can do it all. I’ve used it for decades now.
@@gungadingo K-100 works the same way and is just as good but Star-Tron is easier to find.
I only use propane generators now or dual fuel generators that I ONLY use propane with. So many problems in the past with gummy generators. Plus propane stores forever. Any of my old propane tanks that have hit their expiration date I fill one last time and store them as emergency backup. California is really strict about out of date propane containers, ugh.
Very smart!
thanks for your comment!
same here in Washington State...it's a scam
Nobody checks the date on your old tank when you do an exchange. When one of my tanks hits its expiration date I exchange it for an almost full one and I make sure to get one that isn't near its expiration date. Any other time I get my empty tank filled. Tractor Supply has the best propane prices.
@@zone4garlicfarm I use 30 or 40 pound tanks in my RV (my 100 pound tank is expired ugh😢) . The propane exchanges are only for the small tanks.
I worked on generators in the offshore oilfields and remote mountain oilfields from the early 70s -
gens with standard 3600 rpm engines that are non inverter -
1 gallon of propane generates 2000 watts of power - gasoline generates 3000 watts of power per gallon and diesel gens generate 4000 watts per gallon of fuel burned -
I use regular Stabil in plastic cans for seasonal use and Startron in Nato cans for long-term storage.
and always label fuel purchase date. premix is great but pricey.
Good idea
I've only stored non ethanol fuel and i stored it with no fuel stabilizers some for just over 2 years(i date it) and used it in my truck with no issues, the truck ran fine.
I store none that'll gas in a 30 gallon plastic barrel with no stable. I've been tempting it into my pickup every 3 year with no problems. I just filled my mower 5 gallon can with no e for $3.68/gallon. The marina here has fuel at $4.90/gallon.
I keep 3 or 4 big gas cans that I rotate just before winter every year. My big trick is that my chevy truck (and many vehicles) have a fuel pressure test port that you can screw a line onto and tap your nice fresh vehicle tank. I make sure it's full before storms, etc.
I just found to rotate and use fuel stabilizer, it’s been just fine. And I also change my generator over to pp.thank you sir. Going to be in town next week.going to stop by General jims.
They do have metal cans there.
I have a Stihl MS 261 and a MS 391. It takes 2 gallons of fuel mix to cut 7 cords of wood. I use the same Stihl oil he held up in the video. Keeping your chain sharp reduces the amount of fuel used. I use non-ethanol fuel with no stabilizer. I leave gas set in my saws, weed eater, and lawn mowers for the winter. Non-ethanol gas is what we had when I was a kid in the 70's. We never had problems leaving gas in machinery then and you won't now if you use non-ethanol gas. This helps with generators too, but I think a propane conversion would be good. A lot less mess with storage, plus it gives you another option in SHTF situations. You may be able to buy Propane but not gas or vice versa.
I have been using PRI-G fuel stabilizer for years. Have had zero problems.
How long were you able to store the fuel?
I save all used motor oil .. so whenever I change the oil in my truck, car, etc. I keep the old oil in a separate container .. it's still a good lubricant for chain saws and a lot of other uses .. not to mention it can be used to keep warm with.
Good on wooden flatbed trailer beds too
Oh yeah. Good idea!
Evening. Had a big day making and canning chicken broth by WB today. That's why I'm late.
No generator here. I've done without & with growing up so i will deal with what I have to. Mainly because I don't have those resources.
Thanks for reminding on all these fuel options/ necessities.
I'd been wondering about this a lot lately but hadn't gotten around to finding answers. (Especially whether or not you NEED non-ethanol.) Thank you!!
Thank you MR. I use Sea Foam fuel additive with non-ethanol gas, for my push mower. Used to put it in my zero turn, before I sold it. I also use Amsol for oil change, lasts a long time. Having cligged up fuel lines and carburetor definitely not good.
Clogged
@@user-yn7on7ou8n I have heard good things about sea foam. I have only used it a couple times
Sea foam does amazing stuff. Great for tuning up an engine.
I use True Fuel for my chain sqw since I use it sporadically and dont qant to have to drain it each time. Does a great job even if its more expensive.
Good talk and good points. I store 200 gallons of diesel, 100 gallons of gas and 500 gallons of propane. That's in addition to 13,000 Watts of solar generation. Getting ready for hurricane season.
Man, you are ready.
@@oldmanrock7542 Yaaa Buddy!
Us having a Homestead and an off grid cabin we need a lot of fuels everything you’ve mentioned and also kerosene and diesel fuel for the tractor. We also keep an abundance of lamp oil, only kerosene in a pinch. Good informational video.
Thank you.
Thank you sir. Great information. Lucky here in South Louisiana that ethanol free fuel is readily available. There is also sta-bil for diesel which I use in my cans. Thank y'all for sharing and have a blessed day.
I grew up in Fremont michigan the gerber baby food capital .... Great info thank you
Thanks for the vid! Great subject matter nobody is talking about. A few points, the LP generators supposedly DO NOT last as long as the gasoline ones, cause of the lubricates in gas.. In MY area-Disgusta Ga., we have a gasoline pipeline which NUMEROUS oil companies tap into and truck out to Florida - North Carolina. if you are in the area, you can arrange to get a 55 gal drum of your favorite flavor. On MIXED GAS I have ALWAYS used 32 to 1 because I felt it gave GREATER lubrication to my 2cycle equipment. My chain saw might NOT cut as good, BUT they LAST MUCH LONGER. It IS getting HARDER to find MIX oil that ALLOWS you to mix at your desired rate. Most everything being sold is for 50 to 1, which TELLS ME they want me to BUY new equipment MORE often. I have had my blower and weed eater for over 20 years now. Thanks for the vid, NEW subscriber. m
Thank you for being here!
40 to 1 is choice for high performing saws to prevent piston scortching.
Not if it is designed to run on 50:1 it will run leaner with more oil. With today's full synthetic oil things last 3 to 4 times as long. I had a friend that put 30,000 miles on a Yamaha Zuma moped and never touched the engine except for maintenance.
Good stuff Modern. Been awhile since thought about ethanol-free gas. Thx
Great advice! Thank you...
Hey buddy I like your videos you tell it like it is about the ethinol gas I use the ethanol killing stabil in my generators both of them there the predator 4500 watt generators one here at home and one at the cabin they always start and work they are the clean sine wave types and they get a pretty long run times on a tank of gas up to 16 to 18 hours per tank there about 4.5 gallon tanks and for my chainsaw only gets the VP 2 stroke gas in those same cans like you just showed lol !
I got me a couple of medal gas cans.My dad talked about medal gas cans instead of plastic 60 years ago. Thanks dad.
Back in the 70s. I think I remember being told adding some diesel or trans fluid to gas stabilizes it. Btw, the fuel in my 01 Tahoe/storage unit is going on old af, like 4yrs.. it still starts on 1st crank. It's legal too but has blown brake line .. rust never sleeps..
The average person can only store enough gasoline for maybe a week or two if they’re lucky. There are going to be items and goods needed in a shtf that are simply going to run out. There will however be barter/black markets that would be more than happy to accept hard tangible assets like silver/gold. I’m well stocked on many essentials, but there are just some I can’t store in large quantities. Gold and silver have driven the bus for 6,000 years. And in the event of a collapse of any kind, they will continue to be currency.
Also, if you have a dirt bike, quad, etc, with a CLEAR PLASTIC fuel tank, be advised the new blended fuel with ethanol/oxygenators in it will decompose in the presence of sunlight within two weeks! Your engine will run, but it will GLUE your carburetor slide shut (or wide open, as happened to me). PAINT that damned tank to keep out the sunlight!! A tip from your friends in the Mojave desert. 😁
The best fuel storage is rotation. My small homestead holds only 30 gallons of gas and I never add stabilizer, until something comes our way. Why? Because my personal vehicle uses about that much gas in a month and I fill it with the oldest cans (30 day old gas) and only fill up empty cans at the station, not the vehicle. So at any given time I have 30 fresh gallons. Should a storm be approaching or something worse, that's when I dump stabilizer to each can and ration it.
Fun fact: I had a generator with 2.5 year old regular ethanol gas with SeaFoam stabilzer still fire up on the first pull. Was an accident, not recommended, but in a pinch, at least I know that brand works lol
Great info. Thanks Modern
Thanks MR !
Great video and advice/suggestions MR! Loved the video…👏🏼👏🏼♥️
Thank you!
You know Sir carbon tax up here even makes our fuel costs even higher. The price is raising almost monthly... or even bi-weekly ... costs an arm and a leg... I like idea of Propane also. We use it in our home heat BBQ outside camping... and just ordered a duel fuel (gas and Propane) generator for the retreat.. I also use the canned premix in my chainsaw etc... This is a great video .... Just a note One of our mag members distills gas to make Coleman lamp and heater fuel ...
Some of the farmers by us have converted the farm trucks to propane. They say it’s cheaper.
Good subject. Thanks.
Good video and answered questions. Thank you!
I find one issue with equipment is sentiments built up in the fuel tanks from the corrosion of the metal and plastic tanks and coatings of the fuel tank itself, which clogs fuel lines.
I reuse or get 1 gallon metal cans from painters that use to have mineral spirits in. I have a motorcycle with small saddle bags that I will place my has cans into for long trips
I store 25 gallons primarily for my generator and in case I have to bug out, I can load it in the back of the truck. Best way to store gasoline is the same as food in your pantry. Just rotate it. I use regular gas and store it with stabil for 1 year then run it in my truck and refill the gas cans.
If you can work on engines and can make a wood still with ample supply of wood, you will never need gasoline again.
A propane gen can be adjusted to run off of wood gas (or methane if you have a biodigester)
A gasoline gen can be adjusted to run methanol (condensed liquid wood gas). Even though methanol has 1/4 the BTUs of gasoline, a near infinite source is nothing to sneeze at.
My son-in-law runs a small engine shop and 'bad fuel', meaning old and degraded, causes more engine failures than anything else.
Yes that is what I’m hearing too.
thanks for your comment!
Thank you.
You ever thought about using powerful electric equipment, and having a solar battery powered home? Lots of lead acid batteries for home, a powerful inverter, powerful lithium electric tools, and production or homemade electric vehicles like quads? And keeping the lithium stuff in a fireproof place, in case they do ignite, even when you baby them?
I'm sick of the mess & noise of engines, and things randomly going wrong with them. Switching more & more to electric. Just replaced my gas bike with a good e-bike, and treat every shift of my delivery job, like I'm on a space mission. Managing power & decisions, so it dosen't die far from home. I'm having fun with it, And want to build a dual motor all wheel drive electric dirtbike before winter.
Doomsday Prepping with EVs, it's great to have spare motors, controllers, bearings, cables, and battery packs sitting in storage at 50%. EVs are very low maintaince, you only really have to worry about the tires and brakes. I want to phase out brake pads for Regenerative Braking, then the only thing I have to worry about are the bearings of the motors, steering, and suspension. I won't have to service the motors or battery pack for years, and can just swap parts out, and use the fresh ones, while I rebuild the old ones at my own pace.
EVs are grest for around home, especially when you can just do a quick battery swap, to not have to wait for one battery to charge. But for long road trips, or sustained riding, a Series Hybrid would be the best option. The stealth, instant torque, and low maintenance of electric, but the convenience of fuel, the engine is kept at it's most powerful or most efficient RPM, and their is no transmission gear shifts to fumble over, no clutch to burn out. You can buy or make something like the Baltmotors Bulldog.
Be it pure electric, or a series hybrid with a generator that can extend the battery range, or work with the battery to power whatever in an emergency. Either way, I'm done with engine only tools & vehicles.
When the gas stuff wears out we will look at electric.
We use PRG to keepfuel good for 2 years and can treat again and again God bless all
Remember the propane converted vehicles in the 80s.
kits are still available for most vehicles
you can buy a hose to refill from your 500-1000g home tank
I havnt used gas chain saws in a good while - ill use one of my husq if a log is larger than 20 inches -
Ive found that i can cut up to a truck load or 6 cords of wood with even a cheap harbor freighr 9 amp chain saw - with out the chain streching all the way out or the plastic drive gear striping out -
I started using the 14 amp electric chain saw harbor freight sell last yr -
With the 9 amp a 2 kw gen works out well -
With the 9 amp as long as you dont press down hard on it the plastic drive gear will last through a ton of wood -
With my husq after a full day of cutting the chain is streched and i have to take a link out then it will last another day -
With electric saw with a drive gear the chain travel is slow so chains dont strech as much -
So one chain can last through 6 cords of wood - by that time the chiseled has been filed so many times that they start braking off -
Harbor freight. Does not sell chains for them in the store and just say get the extended warenty -
So i get the extended warrenty and when the chain.wares out after 9 or 10 months of cutting i bring the saw back and they give me a refund -
Ill just get another saw and buy a new one yr replacement warranty - then continue cutting -
I just started using the 14 amp harbor freight it requires a 4 kw generator -
With the 9 anp if you put two 10 amp 400 piv diodes in line it will drop the power in half -
Sence it runs slower it just does not ware the plastic drive gear oit or the chain - ive been using a harbor freight electric saw that i added diodes to for over 10 yrs now with the original chain -
My hot watee heater burns on wood and i also cook on a open fire often -
I live in the deep south and most winter it never gets below 15° - last yr i cut a bunch of 1 ft wide oak logs -
That cheap saw did fine - you can get chains and files off the net dirt cheap -
Having you vehicle (ALL) fuel tank always more than half full will make a difference on shtf day. That goes for ALL of your equipment and surplus fuel storage. The fuel refill cycle dicipline is also important to use/change on regular intervals. "Canned" fuel is a very good idea! Thanks MR!
Rec or Marine Gas is GREAT. Also, ask the Marine fuel delivery guy what they recommend for stabilizing.
Those preSealed small metal cans of Gasoline / Gas Oil mix indicate they are Shelf Stable for 10years !!!
Yep, I collect those every year. Easy transport
Easy Help someone - Easy toss in Bug Out vehicle
EASY - EASY = Smart Prep
MR, Good to know. From the 👍. Best
I run ethanol free, (clear gas) 87 octane in all my vehicles and I have it stored in plastic 5-gallon containers. I used it on my last power outage and that fuel was stored for 5+ years and the fuel looked and acted normal in every way except for a very, very, ever so slight amber tint to it, you only see the tint when comparing it to fresh fuel and that could be due to different refinery mixtures. I used it in my generator and the balance in my lawnmower with no issues. Power output seemed normal, engine ran smooth. I would not hesitate to pour 5 year old properly stored ethanol free gas in any of my good vehicles if I needed to. I live in a cooler climate and the 5-gallon containers are filled almost to the top with as little air in the container as possible. I do try to rotate my old fuel but got lazy and thus the 5+ year old fuel.
Good info. I knew about real gas because we have a Harley, but didn't know to use it in small motors. Another thing you really need to do is keep your saw blades sharp. Many years ago I cut a board with a new hand saw. Later I noticed a man checking the saw. He had noticed how I cut it easy. He thought it was the saw and not how strong this woman was. LOL
I have has gas in cars that has been in them for 4-5 years, and still works great, even tho I hear gas is only good for 3-6 months.
I had a off grid shack at one time, and used PRI-G in several barrels of gas, and always ended up with some liquid in the bottom, that looked like something was separating after a couple years. Might have been water from the drums getting hot and then cold and sucked in moisture which settled in the bottom not sure.
I lived off of generator power, and went thru a lot of them. The cheap Chinese lasted just as long as name brand, about a year. Might have lasted longer, but got tired of changing oil every couple weeks. The one thing I found that was a must, is to filter the gas. I used a coffee filter stuffed into the neck of the gas tank.. gas that you think might be clean sometimes has trash in it, especially gas containers that are filled a lot.
Great informational video and comments!
Thank you!
All good points. We live on a farm and use mostly un-taxed diesel, which we can store 1,500 Gals of. Stabilise with "Pri-D" and rotate between 3 different biostats each summer it's filled. Gas is for the Gator and various Stihl, I'll take 4 - 5 gal containers and stabilize with "Pri-G" and ethanol-free is plentiful around here at about $3.94/Gal.
Great info MR. I use non-ethynol premium for my chain saw and my vehicle for long term (6 months) storage.
Im a third generation generator machanic - my. Grand father started in 1900 working on gens - up till 1960 were i live in the rural south -
Farmers had farm light plants for there homes - they here house lights, fans ect would run off batterys for 6 days then every one ran there generatoe all day friday to charge there house battrys -
The batterys lasted 40 to 60 yrs also the generator -
Plastic cans here, storing 80 gals at home and cabin, treated ethanol 87 octane Walmart gas. Treated with label doses of Stabil and Gumout carb cleaner, no issues in 14 years. 10 to 15 gals get rotated every month w/ super siphon. Both generators have been converted to tri-fuel carbs. We have a bunch of pp tanks that I traded at Walmart with free old style tanks, using a free add in Craigs List. Everyone of those has 15 lbs. It will never go bad we store it for emergency heat, cooking, & light using camp gear.
Great video MR - learned a lot!
You didn't speak on longevity of storing fuels other than Stabil. Anything more than 3 months for regular ethanol laden fuel, or one year for non-ethanol fuel and you are taking your chances, even with fuel stabilizers. Never leave the 10% ethanol fuel in your carbureted machines unless you use.them regularly. Diesel fuel will store safely for many years with the proper additives and protected from moisture, and propane is generally considered to be immune from storage issues unless of course you develop a small leak which you might be unaware of.
To Add to this, 40 Volt Chainsaws are a Nice investment to have. Excellent for keeping in a vehicle to clear things off roads n so on. They can be pricey, But I've found the ones from HART to be Very reliable and durable. The 6amp batteries are ideal & give more cutting torque, But the 4amp work fine as well for smaller jobs. They are Very Good with Warranty stuff as well, I have multiple mowers, chainsaws & hand tools like impact gun, drills, 40 volt power inverter, 20 volt Fan , vacuum, weed Wacker, leaf blower to name some. Very good option if you have a Fuel/propane or Solar based system to recharge the batteries.. I have Gas saws as well & other fuel based tools, Electric is Not a 100% Replacement But it does have a place. Variety is the key to surviving. Don't be locked into a single system for survival.
Thanks MR 😎👍
Your welcome!
I have four year old 87 pump gas sitting in 55gal drums. I bought during Covid. Runs my zero turn and my 2018 f150 without any issues. Ethanol doesn’t go “bad”. Does your vodka go “bad” in the glass bottle? No. It pulls moisture from the air and that’s the issue. Plastic cans are short term storage only unless it’s diesel. The light petroleum chains can and does permeate through the plastic and you’re left with “bad gas”. It’s not bad, it just doesn’t burn as easily as that’s what the light petroleum does. Set the heavier petroleum on fire. It’s why diesel will burn in a gasoline engine when mixed with gas. So don’t throw it away, mix it with fresh gas in a 10-1 new to old and use it up.
Metal containers only, do not open them unless necessary and keep them in a cool dry place and the fuel will last waaay longer.
Old gas can be used if reclaimed with butane dispersion
Invest in a tdi jetta. Diesel lasts for years in a jerry can. Gas needs to be stored in a cool environment because the constant breathing it does in heat will take the the octane out of it. If your fuel goes bad then add some acetone industrial grade usually two ounces for a 20 liter jerry can .
I only buy and store non ethanol fuel. I find it works better for all my small engines and I like having the option to use it in anything instead of just having some normal gas that can only be used in a car.
I keep diesel , it will keep a long time. I have used diesel that has set for over 10 years, it may not smell fresh but it will run the engine just as good!
I’ve never heard of 85 octane at the gas pumps. I’m use to 87 - 89. Never heard of 85. But they have it in Indiana.
Some places also have the 5 gal pre-mixed fuel. Figure about $9.00-$10.00 per gallon depending where you get it
A few years ago I bought 87 E0 fuel from a snowmobile town in may. They had about 6 different types of E0-E10 and 87-93 octane. Well the fuel I bough was so bad it only lasted about 30days. I only buy E0 from pumps that have very few options of gas.
Very educational, thanks 👍 But I always get confused about 2 stroke verses 4 stroke fuel and what uses what, ugh.
2 stroke is chainsaws. Where you mix gas and oil. I hope this helps.
What about weed wackers?
@@ModernRefugeewhat about weed wackers? Water pump?
@@cherylwmh6543 yes those too.
@@cherylwmh6543 I’m not sure on the water pump.
I'm switching every piece of yard equipment I can to electric. Much nicer than breathing 2 cycle smoke while working in a gully. A few years ago I would have dismissed the 16" electric as a toy or a shaving tool but I use it more now than the 36" Stihl. Lot less seasonal maintenance on the electric equipment and keeping batteries charged is no more complicated than rotating your fuel supply.
Sadly, the tractor must remain petroleum fueled. Generator will get a propane conversion before the fall storms hit.
My main generator that I use when my power is knocked out for months after hurricanes and ice storms is a stationary oil burning engines - it only generates 1000 watts - its uses transformer oil for coolant because it runs at 250° -
It also only turns 400 RPMs and weighs more than two tons - but it only burns 1 gallon of heavy bunker F every 22 hrs -
Slow speed generators are very fuel efficient some are 30:1 efficient at 50 RPMs - as for gasoline when hurricane Katrina hit down here you were not going any were -
On just one acre of land around my house I had 120 old growth tree snapped in half laying on the ground -
The only trees that stand up to strong hurricanes are gum and elm trees -
I used the 5 gallons of gas I had on hand in my saws in days -
The best way to store gasoline is in a propane tank - living in a rural area we just know things - as long as the hydrogen does not flash or does not vent out the gasoline it has an indefinite shelf life -
I had two old 25 gallon butane tanks that my dad had filled with Amoco white gas in the early 1960s I guess -
My dad filled them before a hurricane in 1963 at a Amoco station when I was a kid -
As we cleared all the roads around here - I was burning 52 yr old gasoline -
Kerosene should be stored in a propane tank also -
Its the same for low sulfur diesel -
Those fuel additives put a film on top of the fuel to prevent oxygen from migrating into the fuel as hydrogen evaporated out the fuel -
A sealed gas can like an EAGLE fire safety fuel can, will keep gas good for ever as long and the gaskets are good - they prevent the loss of hydrogen off the fuel - also they block the air out so the fuel does not oxidize -
ive never had issues with ethanol fuel and we use alot of it. we have had issues with saw companies changing to cheaper rubber fuel hoses that disolve. had a old stihl 29 back from 94. i ran that with ethanol till 2006. never had a problem. the 290 i bought as a replacement , the 034 , the 361 had fuel lines fail,like they were made to fail at 10 months. i've not had a issue with my husky 562 yet and i'm going into year 3. i've used all the bar oils, i think the xtreme bar oil is best for above freezing to very warm temps. i like the husky bar oil for sub freezing. word on the 50:1 concentrate. i buy those by the 6 packs 2.5 gal mix. i have seen air pressure changes cause the seems to leak oil. i keep them in the plastic sleave and always pick up 2 and feel for weight discrepancy for leakage. when mixing 50:1 i will shut the pump off at 2.489 gallon. just as a safety feature. i do not like the premixed vp can gas. it might work, but i' think it is too lean. i've heard the saw self adjust changing fuel mixes.
I run non ethanol with Stabil Marine 360...never a problem.
Good video, thanks for sharing YAH bless brother !
@@MichaelR58 thank you!
Great subject! I dont know where to get Rec fuel. Best i can guess is at a Marina?
Yes, or places that sell power equipment or ATVs.
Planning on testing the propane whole house generator tomorrow morning, we have a lot of storms coming this week.
You are Correct on the Propane Exchange are about 70-75% Full. I Only use them any if I want to buy a new tank or exchange a tank that the propane company won't refill (> 12 years from manufacture or > 5 years from recert). The Propane company will completely fill a 20# tank for the less $ than exchange and they give cash discounts.
@@PaulAtreidesMuadDib My local propane distributor will recertify the tanks. There was a 100 pound tank on my property when I bought it. It was expired. They inspected it and gave a new inspection sticker.
Never had to use Sta-bil for non-,ethanol gas. It keeps for a long time
All gasoline in Canada now has ethanol. Sad situation up here.
No, we can still buy it on Vancouver Island, just have to read the fine print on the labels. The station I buy at has marked gas (assume this is rec fuel?) and premium without ethanol.
Canadian tire premium has no ethanol in it in canada. And
To my knowledge , it's the only one.😢
@@berniemckenna9770 Sorry but since mid to late 2022, all grades of pump gasoline sold in Canada has ethanol due to govt mandates. I tested may brands since (Petro Canada, Shell V-Power etc.) and they all have near 10% ethanol.
Websites like 'Puregas' are never updated so misleading.
I would test the off the shelf gas for ethanol. Chicanic claims they aren’t as pure as they claim.
Bar and Chain Oil; I have been using expired/old cooking oil.
Heat is what kills petrol/gasoline! I performed a little experiment with hydrometer in a 5litre steel lawn mower fuel can full of "98 octane" left in full sun on concrete in an Aussie summer day. The hydrometer rose by the minute as the light volatile fractions evapourated away. Within an 30mins it would've been 95octane at best.
I just buy non-ethanol premium and put sea foam in it at the recommended ratio. I try to rotate through it once a year.
Down here, in the deep south east = Savannah GA, we call it Marine Gas = non-ethynol gas
Runs about 1.50 more than gas with the ethynol but worth it for our boats and power equipment
You showed Stihl brand mixing oil for 2-cycle. Look on those bottle carefully, because they have bottles for one gallon mix and two gallon mix. I recently bought another Stihl chain saw and went ahead and purchased a pack of them so they'd be on my receipt together; apparently Stihl only warranties their products if you use Stihl oil. Anyway, I inadvertently bought the two-gallon bottles when my "mixed-gas" can is a one gallon can. It took me a little while before I realized it, but it was before I mixed the second can of fuel.
I used to store a lot of gas and diesel fuel, But I don't store that much of it today. Instead, I've been hording used motor oil, cooking grease and grain. Used motor oil doesn't go bad to the point it can't be turned into gasoline or diesel. Cooking grease doesn't go bad and can be processed and used as fuel. even mixed with diesel and can be used as on two stroke engines that require a mix of oil and gas. and of course. Grain can be processed into fuel and mixed with gas or diesel.
Non Ethanol Clear Gas is best 92 Octain, Fuel could last over 2 yrs in ur Garage,,
A guy I knew had to have his whole fleet of work vans overhauled because he started having his employees use E gas. These were designed for E gas! He lost thousands.
Where we live Marathons were pumping almost total alcohol......ruined cars.
I save my used motor oil for a wide variety of uses one of which is chainsaw bar oil...
P.S. I hace 9 chainsaws 2 electric 10 & 12 inch bars, 2 battery, 6 & 8.inch bars 5 gas 10 inch to 24 inch bars... :-) L8R G8R
In Australia non-ethanol fuel is normal, service stations normally have 4 pumps per stand, diesel, 91 octane, 95 and/or 98 octane, and E10 (ethanol), just use the one you need. Personally I need diesel for my main vehicle and that stores for ages, but I still need petrol for generators and chainsaws. I can convert the generators to propane and plan to do so, but I can't see a way around the chainsaw problem except using my axes and crosscut saws and there's no way I want to work that hard 😁
A lot of the umph you lose with propane is measured by watts so the loss is not that bad, we rarely use all of the watts generated anyway.
Harbor Freight carriers military looking 5 gal jeri cans, so look there.
When I go to repair old power generators or water pumps - bevore I buy > Octane-buster
I don't like the color additives in stabil, I prefer seafoam , seafoam is my go to. Another thing is, I don't keep bar chain oil anymore, I keep 10w30, it works perfect and I keep gallons for generators and emergency bar chain oil. For emergencies I now keep a electric chainsaw, it has a brushless motor that doesn't give any problems, during hurricane Maria my chainsaw wouldn't start, fuel gums up In lines because of ethanol in fuel, the fuel you are talking about isn't sold here in Puerto Rico, I've never seen it here. During the aftermath of Fiona my electric chainsaw gave me no problem and worked perfectly...nobody talks about chainsaw chain maintenance, I have chainsaw chain sharpening tools, after a hurricane, you won't find a chainsaw chain if your life depends on it.
u WILL were bar more quickly, no tackifierin engine oil
@@byronmiller800 I'm not a lumberjack, and I keep spare parts for everything, I'll be OK with the motor oil lol
I have bought kerosene in 5 gallon steel cans to store, and know that race fuel in 5 gallon cans is available also. I wouldn't doubt that regular non ethanol fuel in 5 gallon sealed cans is available that would probably stack too.
Small gas powered engines are vulnerable to ethanol fuel. Storing equipment with gasoline containing ethanol, could plug the jets inside the carburetor, especially the small engines. By installing a shutoff valve on the fuel hose, between the fuel tank, and the carburetor will allow the engine to run the carburetor empty, before storing. A fuel stabilizer in the tank will help keep the fuel stable. Always top off fuel tanks on small equipment before storing.
Good points thanks for sharing.
As you know, Ethanol has strong affinity to moisture, whether from humidity in air, condensation, and obviously water. Thus, ethanol besides causing what you so kindly mentioned is also corrosive. Fuel tanks corrode from inside out.
Firberglass fuel tanks often found in boats, marine applications to prevent leaks from rust instead of zinc-coated steel tanks, are deteriorated by ethanol.
Steel tanks in older cars often rust from inside out because of ethanol
It's besides the devastation salts, NaCL, CaCL, MgCL, KCL, CMA, cause to vehicles, bridges, utilities, and rest of infrastructures
Research a wood gasafier for generator. It can be used for up to 100 horsepower engines