How Cancel Culture Destroyed an Entire Generation | Asmongold Reacts
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"Always remember that the crowd that applauds your coronation is the same crowd that will applaud your beheading. People like a show." Terry Pratchett
XD that's so true
@@forgettable8300 Until they're the "stars" of the show themselves, that is.
@@LuznoLindo also very true way to often
quote some more other people
@@apatheticnoncombatant7750 bruh xD
Cancel culture is generally a lot more destructive for people who are not famous i have seen countless people lose their job or scholarship on the internet over jokes which can actually ruin someones life most celebrities who are canceld can bounce back if they did not do something extremly horrible
Indeed. Could you remind me of a specific example?
The only ones I’m recalling are regarding NASA, and a couple others that were more understandable, just as they made the company look extremely bad, to the point of causing damage.
But, I know what you’re saying has to be true. I just can’t think of one, where it was more aligned to the topic at hand.
@@notsoberoveranalyzer8264 becouse of the low profile nature of the people who have lost their jobs due to "cancel culture" its hard to remember specific examples tho just looking it up will probably show you countless examples. Also this phenomenon is pretty common on tiktok due to the eco chamber effect that platform gives to people.
@@notsoberoveranalyzer8264 im sure some cases are justified but its tricky when it comes to more gray area cases
@@notsoberoveranalyzer8264 one more high profile example is the kid who lost his scholarship due to posting a video of himself rapping the nword, which is a stupid thing to do but should not result in such big consequences especially for a kid in high school
@@spatulaboii3108 I don't know, posting a video of himself rapping the N-word is not a very smart thing to do. Is it the worst thing ever? No. BUT, if the school sees it and decides that someone who posts videos of themselves rapping the N-word on social media is NOT a good candidate to receive a scholarship, I don't really blame them for revoking it.
Think about how many other students are worthy of that scholarship that also posses the common sense not to post a video of themselves rapping the N-word. Hopefully this kid learned his lesson and will be a smarter person going forward. He's 18, he still has the world at his fingertips. I don't really see how this is a prime example of cancel culture ruining someone's life. It is simply an example of somebody doing something dumb and tasting the consequences of his actions.
Also, if he was recorded by someone else and he accidently said the N-word or something like that, this would be an entirely different story. But he recorded himself, looked at the video before posting it, decided "yep I'm going to post this" and posted it himself. Imagine if he was just like "you know what... I shouldn't post this."
You can NOT apologize. They are not coming from a place of sincerity. They are a fire that just consumes. And then turn your apology into you admitting whatever narrative they have for you.
Who is “they”
@@eazeazeaz those that think they are moral arbiters. Those that don't actually care, they just love to savage what they see as weak. It's sport to them.
Like who
@@smallcifer1104 dudes out here thinking mans got a precise list of every single person
@@smallcifer1104 I would like him to name a single example instead of vague generalities
The problem we are running into now is that more and more people are looking at the ends justifying the means. No matter what you have to do to get to an end point, lie cheat and steal, do it to reach the end point you want.
100%.
Machiavellianism is considered one corner of the dark triad, next to narcissism and psychopathy
I always thought that people want to feel powerful in the end when it comes to cancelling or "trying" to cancel someone.
But that is how capitalism works.
@@baronsengir187 That's how it's abused not how it works. Good job kid, you can read a book like the Communist Manifesto, how how about some non-fiction next time?
The difference between then and now is if you said something dumb, you were canceled on the spot, today people will go back years and years and compare you to today’s standards in society and cancel you. It’s pretty easy to spot the difference of what is happening today. People are so easy to offend, and you can’t say that it’s always been like this, in my humble opinion.
They also do it to books and movies, canceling the history and truth just to fit today's narrative where they feel safe.
It has always been like this though. PeeWee Herman got “cancelled” in the 80’s over a rumors he jerked off in a theatre. They tried to cancel Elvis for shaking his hips. They tried to cancel George Carlin for swearing. They would go back as far as they could to dig up dirt, there just wasn’t an easily accessible database like there is now.
Those are the same people that believe if they were born in the south in the 1800s they wouldn’t be racist
This is just one of the many reasons I don't use social media, it really pulls you into mob mentality. Cancel culture just shows how people enjoy having their foot on another's neck. Critical thought is necessary for understanding, but people can't entertain a thought without accepting it, and that is a big problem
Ehm.. This is also a social media platform? 😊
@@StefanRindom nobody tell em
This is more of a content sharing platform than it is social media, and to top it off I don't make videos to use as a metaphorical soapbox, but you're entitled to your opinion
@@StefanRindom I’d argue there’s a big difference between UA-cam and Facebook/twitter in terms of what’s thought of as social media vs video entertainment
People are capable of using social media without blindly partaking in "cancel culture". It' a TINY vocal minority that partakes in it, and you're blaming it on social media. BLAME the idiots, not the platforms they use.
Remember when the Dixie Chicks got cancelled by right wingers when they said they didn't support the war 20 years ago? What social media platform was used to cancel them? Oh right, none, cause right wingers were outraged that the Dixie Chicks used their freedom of speech and got cancelled for it.
"People don't want somebody else learn from their mistake, they just want to find somebody to burn at the stake" - can we take a moment to appreciate this glorious comment. The double "stake" in there is honestly awesome.
Easily impressed
The best way to be immune to cancel culture is to not use social media. One of the many reasons to eschew the cancer of social media.
Another way to be immune to it is to not give into it.
The second you start feeling like you have to apologize for everything is the second they like a pack of hyenas will go for the kill.
If you stand your ground they don't do shit.
Cancer culture, yea?
Cancel Culture is a massive problem, you can't hide from it, not even doing that.
If we ignore the problem, the problem will reach our doors anyways... and plenty of sjweirdos use that cancel culture to Hate on those who "must be hated" according to them, which makes them, and their supporters, a bunch of toxic and radical people with influence over rules, laws, etc. It already affected plenty of countries and their companies, politicians and many more.
Even if you dont use social media, there's a bunch of Emily trying to cancel you without you knowing it. So it's useless.
this is living in paranoia, because YOU might not use social media, but others around you can and do.
I got to suffer a little cancel culture, myself. Before my current job, I was designing fashion, and selling it, using Twitter as a means to advertise my products. It came out, rather quickly and easily, that I was a white male selling women's clothing. I instantly had my webstore taken down from complaints, and am still receiving threats and stuff, two years after the fact. I did manage to pick myself up and carry on with my life, but not everyone gets that chance. The free market should be what decides what sells and what doesn't, not my skin colour and gender.
Lots of dudes sell women’s clothing, some of the top designers are men, sounds like you might be leaving something out
@@SkepticalJesusOfficial I like your name Skeptical Jesus. Stay skeptical!
A free market means that people are free to buy your product or not for any reason. If the market decides they do not want to buy your product because your a white man then they are free to do that. There is a tremendous amount of discrimination and unfairness that occurs in a free market, right wing people don't understand this. A free market is an anarchist hellscape without regulations.
Yeah, I agree. I see a number of people selling things that traditionally were made and sold by other people. Your skin color and gender should have nothing to do with you selling products.
Did you ever start selling womens clothing again? Sounds like you got a knack for it. Twitter is a cesspool of filth and everything that's wrong with the internet. Could start it up from scratch and use something else than Twitter, like IG, and even tell your story of your experience with Twitter and why you enjoy to design womens clothing. I bet people would rally behind to support you.
I feel like the witch thing would have handled itself if, when someone in fact was not a witch and drowned, any/every one of their accusers gets the same punishment.
@@jbark678 i mean if she is all that innocent she would be sent to god, which means you did a good thing.
@@Lutasiren lol
@@Lutasiren just imagine the shock of those who accused people of being a witch during the Salem Witch Trials ending up in Hell while those they accused were on the other side of the Gates of Heaven.
@@jbark678 yea, definitely wasn't a perfect world by any means lol
@@verdadero5290 Lasted for a year, which means by todays standards The salem witch trials were 20x more deadlier than sharks. Probably even more so if you based the standard off of when the witch trials happened, cause there were likely less people in the ocean back then so therefore sharks were even less deadlier.
Idk what you were trying to imply here, but that shit was absolutely terrible, Did actually in fact last a bit of time, a year in fact. And im not sure how the number of victims created has any implication of how long the incident happened. Thats entirely irrelevant to the length of time for something.
I think death threats and stalking should be a severe criminal offense, there needs to be more consequences to stop people from being so crazy, and to prevent actual crime from happening.
I think they are illegal but just not enforced like they ought to be.
Once when I was a kid (like 9) I was in love with this girl from my school, so I always tried to hug her and touch her in a innocent way, I didn't do anything bad or sexual because obviously I was a kiddo. But my teacher didn't like it, so in front of the whole classroom she told the girls that what I did was wrong and like 10 random girls that I didn't like or even talk to them at all started to tell lies on me just for the sake of saying something.
And that's why I don't believe groups of people.
People would lie about anything just to be in
Are you for real?
R kelly, is that you?
@@n3cotraf
If a kid hugging another kid is a crime to you then oh boy, your childhood must've been lonely😢🤡
@@chocolatMouse homie I didn't even touch them that's the whole point
@@chocolatMouse Toddler, read.
He said he liked a specific girl and a dozen other ones he didn't care about made up stories.
@@chocolatMouse You would be more convincing if the comment didn't suddenly appear edited.
Not sure if I remember correctly if it fits to cancel culture, but does anybody here remember about that mother of two who makes a living on selling cakes and got cancelled because of a mickey mouse cake that a customer didn't like in which she got undeserved hate and harrassment ended up dead from depression. The poor mother was supporting her two daughters with her passion for baking. Truly heart breaking.
Jesus... This is my first time hearing about this. How devastating.
Blame women and gay men, Chad's don't do this sorta thing even if we are offended.
@@septua I -hate- love the way this seems like a joke with a punchline but is just deadpan true.
So that particular case wasn't Cancel Culture but good old fashioned cyber bullying and the awful mentality that social media has brought us to. The woman was embarrassed by a customer who told her he liked the cake, then took it home and made fun of her. People then followed others and teased her, blew up her review pages, etc. The ridicule ultimately cost her customers, and she fell into a deep depression and took her own life.
That case provided an awful example of the horrid damage that social media can cause, and that poor woman did not deserve that awful abuse.
@@Lupostehgreatcancel culture is, in fact, bullying.
Honestly one of the scarier things to come out of it was the attempt to shift the terminology away from "cancel" and towards "accountability culture". That is such a loaded name for it that implies the inherent guilt of the accused.
Never apologise to people on the internet that do not deserve it, they only demand it because they enjoy your suffering.
It has nothing to do with wanting a genuine apology but everything to do with getting joy from their torment.
From my personal view an apology has to be earned otherwise it's not worth giving.
The true genesis of cancel culture, including the "cancel" verbiage started on tumblr within the Glee fandom. This si well documented, whoever made this video, could've brought that to attention.
Damn, glee was known for something relevant?
I knew its all Glee's fault
21:34 "People don't wanna have somebody else learn from their mistakes. They just want to find somebody to burn AT the stake."
Yeah so they can feel better . NPCS love to watch someone failing , so they can feel better from it , because they know they will work for no money and be sheeps their whole life.
This isn't a new quote, I've heard this a lot.
Another term for Cancel Culture is "Misery loves company" IMO.
I love how asmon disagrees with most of the points made in the video but most of the comments missed the entire point of his reaction
When everyone thinks alike. No one is thinking.
I'd place bets that most of the longest "this is how cancel culture is destroying our society" comments were written before 5 minutes into the video. They see the title of the video Asmon's reacting to and then just write their own rambling comment about how they feel about it.
@@JustSomeDamnGinger I’ve noticed this a lot, really weird. People need to feel heard I guess
@@CurieBohr Nah, how dare people make comments on the opposite side of what Asmon believes. Obviously this means that people completely missed the point of his reaction, otherwise everyone would have agreed with him. It cannot be that they actually understood what Asmon is saying and still disagree with him, am I right Joaquin?
@@CurieBohr cop out response to a very real observation.
Cancel culture is treating apologies as admissions of guilt and then trying to ostracize people for the rest of their lives. That's why it's best not to apologize to insincere people who are trying to score points.
My senior year i was falsly accused of SA. i was hated and shunned and the school even took action. the girl didn't tell anyone that it was a lie till the police were about to get involved but the damage was done I was persacuted for something I didn't do. i was guilty until proven innocent. she received no type of punishment. Till the last day of HS i had no friends and everyone hated me bc they still didn't believe. They said i probably threatened her if she didn't say that. I was told multiple times to kill myself. I was actually going to kms as well but luckily i met a girl and she believed me and comforted me. Now I'm mostly happy with her and life is going pretty good but i will forever hate my false accuser with a burning passion.
"The court of public opinion is really bad, because for for a lot of people is more important to them to be right, than to be accurate" my man spitting facts over here what is this
Well its defo not on the iq of the average viewer since alot of people seem irritated when he points out the obvious
"just because we didn't call it cancel culture doesn't mean that it hasn't existed"
yes Asmon, that's what the guy just said, it has existed at least since ancient greece.
"One time I didnt even know I was being cancelled so I didnt know I was a bad boy"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As far as self snitching, R. Kelly is literally called “The Pied Piper of R&B”. For those who don’t know, the Pied Piper is a tale of a magical musician who charmed the mice and lead them out of a town. What’s less known is that when the town didn’t want to pay him, he used his magic to charm the children…
Imagine thinking that the "taking children away part" is less known. When it is realy the Moral of the Story xd
I new most of the nursery rhymes origins but that never crossed my mind
Asmon *sees something that's happened* "and this does happen btw" 10/10
7:35 Put Johnny Depp there instead of R-Kelly. Depp got canceled hard until he got redeemed last May when the court found out that Amber Heard was lying and now it's Amber Heard that's the one that is basically being cancelled now.
You missed the point for why R Kelly was included.
When I hear the words "Cancel culture", I roll my eyes and wait for the truth to actually come out. I find that people love to hitch on to the hate wagon and continue it for no reason in some instances.
Lesson learned: Never apologize, if you did not break the law. Fck their feelings
Has apologizing ever worked?
@@donut132 It definitely didnt work for Kevin Hart.
@evadann9206 i dont care about the annoying Leftists feelings ruining everything about the culture in society. it is funny when they are found out to be these grandstanding people but have been found out to have done something too.
It's not tyrants that are being cancelled, it's your everyday Joe. Which is childish.
It's time to cancel the cancel culture.
I hate how people get the University story wrong all the time. It was not a day of abscense where they told/forced anybody of campus, it was a voluntary thing to do. The reason the teacher complained was that they wanted all white people to go weather they wanted to or not. So it was not just a color swap, there was also a participation requirement.
Still abhorrent and not appropriate, yet leftoids cheer for it.
@@id2k. American left is so right leaning lmao.
@lalalallaallala that may be but they're still scum and the events of Kenosha WI show how to deal with them.
I started to live like asmongold in 2 week... I had rats in my house .. 1 month later I have 6 cavities... I am really not seeing how a mortal can possibly live this way..
You're just not goated enough ig
He’s a ghoul or goblin…this is why his body is so resilient
Jews can survive anything
I live like him, you just ignore the cavities.
@@freshmaker0088 with the amount of time I save not brushing I’ll get new ones
Our children are growing up in a age where bad decisions and events can be recorded on a camera then immortalized forever on the internet where millions can see.
I mean, there's nothing forcing them to put things online...
@@destructorzz7197 sometimes its not them but people around them.
Look at true crime sector for a good example. There are no named suspects, they didn't consent to being on the video released asking for information by the law. They just happened to be standing near a person who met a horrible fate after that time. With zero proof this person is deeply researched, called disgusting names. Their families, schools and workplaces are contacted and also harrassed. Anyone who dares to do an interview is instantly a suspect. There seems to be an addiction to this pitchfork mentality with zero regard for the consequences.
This did happen before 2017. Yes.
Somewhere in early 2000s (just like *Asmon* Mentioned) people would just boycott a company/celebs back in the day.
However.. the Rise of *Me too* Movement drastically changed it and normalized cancelling anyone regardless if its true or not.
Cancel culture isn't about morals or justice. Its about frustration. Its mainly resentful people taking their pain out on others camouflaging it as social justice.
I grew up in the 80's when Christian conservatives tried canceling every damned thing imaginable from clothes, to music, to cartoons, to movies, to books, to video games...even food. Nothing has changed much, except social media making it so much easier and faster.
@@anthony3191 Just to clarify, Grandpa Joe is your example of the christian conservative in the 80's? Either way, yes, plenty of people lost their jobs and lives from it then also. The crazies just had to work harder at it... And we can argue analytics all day with progressive liberals controlling most media but conservatives garnering much larger audiences.
@@anthony3191 I agree completely. The internet shines a mirror on us all and we prove time and again that we haven't really evolved much beyond living in caves... Instead of being an incredible tool for us all to share important information almost instantly, we use it to hurt or pr0n or dick/fart jokes...
Youre not really "cancelled" until youve been debanked.
Johnny Depp was fired from Pirates Of The Caribbean and other productions even being innocent because cancel culture. Luckily he had those audios that showed how crazy Amber was. And also as a successfull actor he was rich so getting fired wasn't going to destabilize him economically.
Now image the same situation for a normal guy, who gets falsly accused by a crazy ex, and doesn't have any audios to show for how crazy his ex was, or any millions in the bank to back him up when he gets fired. Without a job and no money to pay for competent lawyers he's surely to lose. And even if he's able to prove his innocence, his life is already ruined.
The main problem of cancel culture is that innocent people get punished just because some fishy calims get relevance on social media
Not a fan of social media and cancel culture at the moment, but something people need to realise is that its not new. Cancel culture has existed pretty much forever. There is just 2 massive differences. People have less unified beliefs and social media creates bubbles that give voice to niche and extreme viewpoints and than inflates them. People have always and still simply dislike people with different opinions. Sure some people have better tolerance but in general if you see someone with a conflicting opinion on the TV or internet you get annoyed, maybe angry. I do think people are in general more tolerant now than in the past, I think social media is just over-inflating viewpoints and making beliefs that aren't shared by most of us seem more common than they are. I do think most employers should not be allowed to hire or fire anyone based on beliefs or past non-criminal actions. But when it comes to Hollywood they'll hire what will make them money so beliefs and image is everything.
The New Testament is about a guy being cancelled on a cross.
Interesting how Asmon doesn't like cancel culture being connected to me too even though that's literally when it took off. Just because people were cancelled in different ways through out history doesn't mean that this version isn't connected to something you may agree with or like.
The thing that annoy me the most about "cancel culture" is the online supporters.
You can see a lot of ppl support it online like they care about it, but if you ask them to go and protest or go IRL and do something about a lot of them will just don't care anymore, like he doesn't want to.
Like wtf? Either you support it to the fullest or don't care about it much.
So don't pretend like you really care.
Online cancel culture is just new form of bullying sometimes, ppl do it just because they don't agree with someone or for meme.
It lost its tru meaning unfortunately.
Love how it’s political correctness attacking comedy instead of taking a step back to realize that if you need to tell racist jokes to be funny, then the truth is you aren’t funny. You just have an audience that agrees with your opinions and is happy to laugh along with someone that makes them feel validated.
Regardless of the mistake in question, some people's life's highlight is to bring a succesful person down to their level despite of their own mistakes, whether they're right or wrong. And people also love to find an enemy and subconsciously blame them for everything that's wrong in their lives. I'd say that some of these individuals use alt account armies for that.
There's also this like, sort of sociopathy which consists of some people being convinced that they're qualified and entitled for seeking, persecuting, accusing and exposing other people's mistakes without realizing how messed up they are for this alone. And some of them use this as it was ok, even as a service.
If we all get canceled, no one will be canceled
Asmon man I somehow just knew you were gonna bring up the Salem witch trials when you started that sentence lol now that was the worst way to be canceled
Move away from social media, there's nothing meaningful to gain, but a lot to lose.
I don't see the Ls Asmon is talking about around 42:10. It's an amazing video that really explains how our personal justice as opposed to lawful justice is poisoning and destroying our society as a whole. We shouldn't be playing judge, jury and executioner. We shouldn't be pushing people to the brink of death. We should be allowing people to learn, grow and change instead of cutting them off.
Controlled speech isn't free speech,
the issue with cancel culture is it's currently wielded by adults with the mentality of a child on social media. Put another way it's a child waving a loaded gun around. Yeah you might accidentally hit someone who deserves it occasionally but most of the time you just end up shooting some bystander in the face.
Cancel culture started with Cosby and MeToo blowing out of proportion
I don't think the video's creator was likening the cancellation of R Kelly to that of Kevin Hart; I think he was saying that the fact that the two were getting the same level of hatred online for very different things, where one was much less serious than the other, was a problem, and he was using the two situations as an example of the extremes of cancel culture. Where one was deserved and the other, while it could be argued for, was blown way too far out of proportion. It didn't weaken the argument at all; it was him saying that it's insane that Kevin Hart's old comedy should be punished just as badly, if not more, than literal child predation.
Definitely agree with Asmon's cancel culture take, the same shit has been happening for a long while, remember all the 'oh no, this is satanic get this off television' and 'video games cause mass shooting' panic were basically the same thing with a different name.
Edit: Boomers hated DnD for being satanic and remember when people tried to ban Harry Potter books for having witchcraft
@@tehbeernerd my brother in christ there's this thing called target demographics
You can tell when someone thinks they understand the topic, and when they *actually* understand the topic.
You are the former.
There are plenty of rich, powerful people who claim they're being cancelled because they did something bad in the past and some people don't want to forgive and forget. They haven't been driven into obscurity, they still do their thing and make lots of money. But they cry because people bring up their appalling past. They want a right to not face consequences for their actions.
Banishment is one thing, cancel culture is another, and it’s progenitor, is declaring antisemitism a punishable offense against the state (not the person) in 1917 Russia to preserve the power structure of the 85% Jewish Bolshevist cabinet.
Literally the same thing happens today in the modern media landscape.
There is a saying in my country:
"Thank God for jokes, so that we can tell each other the truth."
This video kinda sucks tbh. Asmon did a really good job breaking it down.
I miss Al Bundy...
Having R Kelly in a cancel culture vid intro is nasty business😭😭😭
"Cancel culture" was the consolation prize for people who voted for Hillary in 2016. That shit happened and suddenly statues were torn down, street names were changed and 'Gone With the Wind' had to come with a disclaimer.
excluding someone from society based on reprehensible and unacceptable morals ( like thinking rape is okay, or people who hurt thousands of people with their actions) is fine. fine.
like all things this can be taken too far, and the power of the internet is wielded by literally anyone with high follower count
I think the only thing asmon misses here (and a lot of comments already address this with personal stories) is that this isn't just happening online to celebrities anymore. And it wouldn't be happening to this extent irl if it weren't for the current cancel culture PC zeitgeist we have going on. And of course this has been happening throughout history. BUT we are living in a time where the frequency and predictability of unfair allegations is very high.
When asmon said that he believes when people get kicked out of the herd and they come back more extreme is literally a historical fact of society. It's seen most prominently in the Soviet Union/USSR. People like Stalin getting sent to Siberia and coming back even more extreme than before.
Hitler wrote mein kampf in jail
Y'know what bothers me in the Kevin Hart case? The mentality of "For TEN YEARS; none of that shit. But ten years and one day ago? ONE of that shit. And that's unacceptable."
The moment you apologize is the moment they realize they can make you dance. The demands will keep coming and become nore extreme. It is nothing more than a game, a power play. Nothing but sad people trying to feel powerful by making a famous person bow to them.
Are you saying that someone should never engage in critical introspection?
Its just that obviously this could easily be a toxic attitude that lacks emotional intelligence...
@Daniel Reynolds Lacking emotional intelligence would be putting words into someone's mouth to try and prove a point.
I'm saying if you honestly believe you messed up, then you can admit that and work on improving yourself. But to cave to the mob, who want nothing more than turn the situation into a game, to watch the jester dance for them, is a pointless endeavor.
@@catbeans4685 okay, word. I think it takes training to do that tho.. like you dont just come hot out the gate like that, like you gotta make that mistake a time or two
Cancel culture was useless as it was practiced in the 2010-2019 time period. That was brutal. I truly hate and resent that I ever had to navigate that environment back then online. I truly despise that people would message your boss on Facebook groups if it was made public, regardless of what you even said, to try and get you fired.
I hate and despise ever having to swim through that cesspool; I didn't learn anything from it, I didn't gain anything of note; there was only fear.
As it is practiced now seems to be a little bit better, but the toxic cloud of cancel culture still is pervasive online, and still is unacceptable.
With bret weinstien it was different, universities teach students to cancel people that go against CRT.
It is part of the framework of CRT.
But I guess a lot of those twitter people are a result of that.
I'm 5 minutes in the video and Asmongold is already unbearable to listen to. R. Kelley can still be a victim of cancel culture, but a justified victim of it. Just because he's included in the video, doesn't mean R. Kelly is an unjustified victim of cancel culture like the rest. But Asmon gets so overwhelmed with what he feels, he already discredits the video before its even finished the introduction.
@@john2.099 My whole comment is about discrediting the video. I'm not discrediting the video. You need to read first, then comment.
Grug was just misunderstood. RIP Grug.(22:00)
Honestly, James Gunn and Natalie Wynn are probably the perfect examples of actual 'Cancel Culture'. Wynn's biggest sin was being a bit of an uneducated Boomer around the Terminally Online, and the response was doxxing, targeted harassment, death threats, the lot. With Gunn, people literally dredged up a decade old edgy comedy clip to get him fired from Disney.
There's a lot of examples though, where 'Cancel Culture' is used to describe completely fair criticism of either an ideological position, proportional past actions, or generally being a bit of an asshole.
What examples ?
If everyone is cancelled then no one is cancelled
There are no rules to cancel culture. People give you the same "punishment" no matter the level of what you did legally or illegally.
32:29
Asmon, it is not about that one instance that was bad, thus making every instance bad, the point of such cases are to showcase that each instance has a possibility of being bad (either faith-wise or completely wrong/false), which is definitely true.
It's just another reason why social media shouldn't exist. It has done more harm than good.
More like how Tumblr ruined left wing politics
Liberals did that all by themselves lol, tumbler just let us watch it happen.
Asmon's dead on the difference between R.Kelly and Kevin Hart. You can't equate child pornography to shitty opinions.
Cancel Culture has caused an entire generation of people to fear for their lives for saying something over a decade ago when it was a different cultural world, and it's causing an entire current generation to be afraid because they don't know if something they post online in 1 minute is going to be deemed so unacceptably offensive 3 months from now...
I never really understood cancel culture, I swear they ain’t any different than any other living human being. Same ones who somehow gets triggered over a joke are the same ones who be laughing at offensive memes and tell their friends some f•cked up jokes. Like bruh… don’t make no sense
It's just boycotting, but the right vilified it
It’s basically the guillotine of modern times, just a little less permanent… usually…
You can't get cancelled by anyone who wasn't already a fan of you. It's why people like Andrew Tate or Nick Fuentes straight up can't be cancelled - their bases know that they're bad people so no revelation will convince them to stop watching and engaging.
"How stupid is it that I can call my friends dumb, but then I can't call my boss dumb. Look at all these hypocrites!" It's about context and social relationships, bro. It ain't hard
@@Quintessence4444 You're right - a lot of celebrities don't have these dedicated audiences who will stick by them. Asmon, for example, is fairly resistant to being cancelled. He can say he got cancelled 3 times all he wants, but he's still here and his career really wasn't affected. You'd probably be hard pressed to find a similar community around Kevin Hart - he's still here too but he handled the situation pretty well imo. Tbh though, I think these international celebrities probably should be held under some sort of microscope because they influence A LOT of people. You don't want a racist, sexist mf being looked up to by anyone, especially kids. We should remember that celebritydom is something you can fairly easily choose not to participate in. There are plenty of very famous people that most wouldn't even recognize on the street.
Gey aren't bad. Bad are gey activists that say being gey is amazing, and they should never try to do conversion therapy or get similar help if they want
Apologies are mistakes for comedians because it dilutes what they can make fun of and that should never be the case comedians are SUPPOSED to make you uncomfortable in a humorous way to show how ridiculous the world has become.
Not only was the video by Visual Venture undermined by its inclusion of R. Kelly, it was undermined by the overly solemn/sanctimonious self-righteousness of its creator who couldn't help oversimplifying a complicated issue.
i think what the guy was going for was pointing out that he had been a chart topping pop artist for about 15-20 years until cancel culture. he didn't suddenly become a pedo and he had tons of fans. i took it as a demonstration of the power of cancel culture not an example of cancel culture being bad. Really though R. Kelly broke the law, cancel culture didn't really have any effect on him.
yea the inclusion of R.Kelly and the meto movement kind of soured my opinion of this video. Its almost like it was sending the message that R.kelly and the countless people who have committed sexual assault were treated unfairly. Its funny I was half expecting him to bring up ep stien as an example of cancel culture.
Im only 11 minutes in but aint the point that cancel culture has good and bad sides
@@majetsejam1212 the metoo movement is a good example because it became a witch hunt. I believe it's the origin of todays evil cancel culture movement personally.
Lets take pewdiepie for example, he accidently said n-word and people wanted him canceled and it got so huge that youtube and disney both cut their deals with him making him nearly stop youtube and his life got so hard that year until he recovered and got good amount for living until yeah being in a really good position after that to now.
So should that have happen even though he apologized and said it was dumb and was just one word mistake in his life and didn’t think when he was mad in the moment.
Twitter going around making rumors and media even calling him a nazi because he said the N-word?
i saw someone say cancel culture = hold them accountable which is absolutely wrong... there is a reason we dont chop someone's hand off for stealing a pack of gum. Someone commits a minor infraction and cancel culture comes along and hangs them. someone commits a medium infraction and cancel culture hangs them. someone commits a major infraction and cancel culture hangs them. someone does something perceived as wrong but turns out isn't wrong and cancel culture hangs them.
So the issue with cancle culture is that it effects people in real life?
It's a fine line to balance on, on one hand, you generally don't want people that do bad things in your circles, but on the other, people end up taking it way too far and ruining people's lives over something they did like a decade ago, or way overreacting.
Man, I was a completely different person a decade ago. I don't even remember half the shit I did back then. I'm pretty sure I was more or less a good person but I'd hate to have some shit that I don't even recall doing fuck over something I'm doing now.
I've also been 'cancelled' in that I've been permanently banned from communities that I've spent decades in, on first offenses, for minor infractions. Mostly because the community didn't care to nuance their moderation for a lesser ban or whatever. It's a bit asinine. (Especially for a community where the accounts are free, you're kind of just being spiteful to erase a 10+ year old account when you know damn well the person is just going to make a new one to spite you back.)
At the end of the day, unless the person was literally caught murdering or touching under age children or something, there aren't many good reasons to cancel someone. I've seen the stupidest things cause the biggest drama, where two content creators will get into a mild disagreement and it will end up with someones account being terminated or something because fans mass report them and the auto-mod kicks in and now they can't put food on their table.
Exactly. We have a vehicle to "cancel" people in real life: it's called prison. If someone hasn't done something bad enough to land in prison, it's not the mob's place to carry out extrajudicial punishment -- which is really what "cancel culture" is all about. It's the whole idea of, "This person did something bad but not SO bad that they broke an actual law, but my outrage requires satisfaction!" Then the mob takes it upon itself to mete out punishment, in the mob's own fashion, with no oversight or due process.
The essence of cancel culture is really just mob retribution, plain and simple.
I think you nailed this on the head man, once you start apologizing for jokes you make in good fun you open the floodgates.
Joan of arc saved her king and country from an attack by their enemies but was burned for being a witch after the church determined that the entities she was communicating were demons and not gods. About 500 years later smythe church decided she was actually talking to gods and made her a saint
Mercy and forgiveness are no longer cultural values.
Here's the thing, apologizing is immediately viewed as accepting guilt. Once you go down that road the circling sharks move in for a piece and it never stops. After all if you are truly innocent of whatever intent is being assigned to your words or actions, you wouldn't have cause to feel guilt. Basically this shit only works on good people who care how others feel, and that's what truly sucks about this whole mess, eventually nobody is gonna give a shit anymore cause we'll all be burned out as fodder for some random douches dopamine fix.
The problem is that when you don't apologize then you're hiding something and/or are remorseless therefore even more guilty. But when you do apologize or explain yourself then you're admitting to being guilty. No matter what you do you're screwed either way in the eyes of the populace once they have decided if you're guilty or not.
@@abadenoughdude300 might not be the best way to approach this but i always say: stand by what you believe and don't beat yourself up too badly if you enjoyed what you did, even if it was wrong (as long as it doesn't get you in jail lmao). immoral is still ok, illegal is not. imo backpeddling is one of the worst forms of cuckoldery you can do as an individual. and let's be honest: the majority does it because they don't want to lose the money
@@abadenoughdude300 So there's no problem when you don't apologize. Haters gonna hate either way. Difference is that if you apologize, you'll only screw yourself over in the future because you're a pathetic person who doesn't stand by his/her own convictions. And then not only the haters gonna hate, but your fans will also turn their backs on you (as they should).
Kyle Creek says it best I think - "If we replaced cancel culture with critical thinking, we'd have empathetic conversations instead of emotional reactions. And, by talking, we learn to separate honest mistakes from actual hate."
The way social media works today mixed with that cancel culture has struck fear into most people's hearts. Unless you have a massive platform or some form of power, you have to censor your speech so as not to get cancelled; the average person has no recourse against cancellation. That's the real problem.
This is like a 12 year olds view on cancel culture. So ridiculous
we've always had cancel culture sure, but having an internet that is forever is new.
Internet no longer is forever. It's controlled. Censored. Removed. Etc.
Holy asmongold doesn’t normally piss me off but man the first 15 minutes of this video… him blabbing about r Kelly… THATS THE POINT LET THE MAN MAKE THE POINT 😂
Do you even know what Kevin Hart said? He said, that he wouldnt want his son to be gay but doesnt care about other people ... THATS IT WTF IS WRONG WITH THAT DONT YOU WANT GRAND CHILDREN? ='D
11:10 Nah, why should I care that someone out there is uncomfortable hearing something? Why should I change my personal opinion that it disgusts me? Why can’t I express my opinion, but have to lie, saying “I’ve changed, sorry” or “I was wrong”? Liberal freedom of speech at its finest
Thank you reacting to this video really open my eyes thank you Asmond
The thing about getting canceled, is it's typically not about the people that are your fans or followers, it's people that don't follow you, and it's typically just a handful of loud people. If we could put forth a law that limits companies from taking drastic action like any kind of contract or employment termination, or some sort of social media banning, shortly after some online arrest, unless it's something horrific like a crime like murder, rape, or pedophilia. However from something like you saying the soft N word from 20 years ago, from some vhs tape from when they were in college and drunk, these people look for ways to destroy you, and companies just allow it at times, that should be stopped.
@@Thanatos2k Employee protections exist already, I meant this in similarity to something like anti discrimination, or retaliation protection. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to hire and terminate who you want, I'm saying some angry losers can't band together to destroy someone's life, with a mildly unpopular tweet. The internet and social media have came with many benefits, but complications as well, because social media has a tendency to increase echo chambers and mob mentality, which is a problem, because even just a handful of loud angry people can cause a problem, thats not me saying we need censorship, but there needs to be a buffer, we can't have mob mentality rule everyday lives, with fear and ostracize people. "Say what I approve of, or else I ruin your life." That goes beyond accountability, because who's holding the people weilding that power accountable? Most of them are anonymous, you can't sue them for slander, nor should you have too. We rely to much on social media, we need to treat it how it was originally, these are random people we don't know, we shouldn't be taking everything on social media that seriously.
There was a similar experiment on heard mentality where they hired like 10 people to stand in a line outside a random building and over time people joined the line even though they had no idea what they were standing in line for. They just saw a line and wanted to join in.
There are always people who bully someone for what they say or do that is not hateful or illegal. I have seen many comments to counter your argument. Today, they just get sensor more often than before. My son and I have dealt with people who harras us on digital platforms.