@@DrSmileyFace18 No one is perfect, but if the most noticeable conservative folks on the internet were like him, I think we'd be in a much less toxic place. He seems like a good, honest guy who is emotionally mature enough to change his own opinions if convincing evidence is given to him, something both the progressive movement and conservatives don't seem willing to do.
@@sirnonapplicable I get that, but this guy needs some perspective. He would definitely be able to afford the tax increase, and it would massively help people. Hes quibbling over 200billion wasted by the government out of a 4 trillion total tax revenue ie 5%. So say there is a 5% increase in his effective tax rate, that comes out to 25k more in taxes a year, and he is worried about the 5% of that that gets wasted ie 1250 bucks a year. Is this really a reason to vote republican? (and by the way this would be a massive effective tax rate increase equivalent to increase top marginal brackets by like 5-10%, in reality he would probably see a 2-4% increase)
I think that’s a legitimate concern. Of course you’re going to be annoyed if you are already paying a fuckton of taxes and that money is being burned. At the end of the day, if you can afford to pay more you should but that money should be used to improve society. We have a fundamentally broken system. The money is spent on nonsense because the system doesn’t function to help people. It functions to make the rich even richer.
Guy from Kentucky on the point about trade work. I work in NYC construction management. The ironworkers I hire, as a project manager, typically make more than me, and I don't make a shit salary. But prevailing wage for NYC local 40 ironworkers is like $155/hr lmao. If they work a full 2,000 hours, they make bank. Only issue is that unions are not as clean as what Dems make it out to be, and like half the people in the hall work 2k+ hours, and the other half work 0-500 hours.
He's rich and yet he's still crying about taxes. He knows that the Republican Party is garbage but only votes for them because of some taxes. He only cares about himself.
I used to live in miami and I thought of this before. Homeless folks travel across the nation on busses and trains and hitchhiking and such. South florida is such an off-shoot from the rest of the states it'd be tough to get all the way down there.
Is it just me or is the first thing that comes to mind with the first caller is that you can already choose to deduct charitable donations from your income tax? Like if your opinion is that you can spend your money for a greater social purpose then you'd just donate it.
@@chronographer Never said that's how they work. The point of what I'm saying you won't be taxed on your donations, so taxes aren't a barrier to performing charitable acts. If you donate your whole income, you pay no tax.
@@DMAN123223 Did he say taxes were a barrier? That after taxes he literally didn't have any money to donate? I thought his complaint that taxes seemed very inefficient and wastefully spent.
@@chronographer at 8:49 he says "I would much rather keep more of [my taxes] so I could do more with it, especially in my area". I'm just saying he can donate to a local charity to do exactly this with a deduction, he is implicitly saying taxes are a barrier to charity for him. You argued a seperate point about whether the tax is fully refunded dollar for dollar or not which no one brought up.
@@DMAN123223 But he doesn't get to keep his money if he donates and takes the deduction. If he donates $100 locally, he doesn't get to 'keep' $100 off his tax bill. It doesn't solve his problem of inefficient government spending. Until, like you said above, if he donated all of his money, and so didn't have to pay any taxes. But that's hardly a sustainable or 'obvious' solution.
Don't know jack$&!+ About taxes but don't you pay less in taxes if you give to charities and help programs? If so, why doesn't the Kentucky guy give his money to the program he supports to lessen the tax load and support the people he wants to support.
Destiny trying to compare waste at the government level to waste in corporations shows that he has become completely detached from reality. It's like trying to compare an anthill to a mountain.
@tvng5120 "losing", "wasting" or whatever you want to call it - the amount of money that thr US government does is absolutely unique. To pretend otherwise is to be amongst the biggest copes of all time.
@@tvnggg It's a completely different problem. Corporations are accountable to their shareholders - if they waste money at a loss they'll get raked over the coals and the CEO will get voted out. The government isn't accountable to anyone. They report nothing.
Some waste VS an absurd amount of waste are different things. You can’t just say oops we lost a few trillion it happens. So this guy is preaching a traditional life when people don’t want to be traditional.
If a corporation wastes money the way the govt does they go out of business. The gov can't go out of business. Also if a company is really bad with their money generally you can patron a different one, you can't as easily do that with taxes. So people should be way more pissed about gov misspending than corporate
We need more people like this guy from Kentucky.
more people who earn 500k a year plus options and don't want to pay 5% more taxes?
@@DrSmileyFace18 No one is perfect, but if the most noticeable conservative folks on the internet were like him, I think we'd be in a much less toxic place. He seems like a good, honest guy who is emotionally mature enough to change his own opinions if convincing evidence is given to him, something both the progressive movement and conservatives don't seem willing to do.
@@sirnonapplicable I get that, but this guy needs some perspective. He would definitely be able to afford the tax increase, and it would massively help people.
Hes quibbling over 200billion wasted by the government out of a 4 trillion total tax revenue ie 5%. So say there is a 5% increase in his effective tax rate, that comes out to 25k more in taxes a year, and he is worried about the 5% of that that gets wasted ie 1250 bucks a year. Is this really a reason to vote republican?
(and by the way this would be a massive effective tax rate increase equivalent to increase top marginal brackets by like 5-10%, in reality he would probably see a 2-4% increase)
I think that’s a legitimate concern. Of course you’re going to be annoyed if you are already paying a fuckton of taxes and that money is being burned. At the end of the day, if you can afford to pay more you should but that money should be used to improve society. We have a fundamentally broken system. The money is spent on nonsense because the system doesn’t function to help people. It functions to make the rich even richer.
27:57
The first guy was great. Actually good conversations. I wish they were all like that.
One of the good ones
From Virginia, would of loved to hear this guy talk more (first guy)
"Success is a series of calculated leaps of faith" so tru actually
Love the guy from Kentucky! Finally a guy that I completely resonate with having a conversation with Destiny besides myself xd
2nd call in: I sent destiny an email, I wanna do a podcast with him.
Dan: LISTEN BUDDY DONT WE ALL
What was the microphone that Theo Von was using? 😅
Didnt know theo von was a viewer but thats cool i guess
HAHA
Guy from Kentucky on the point about trade work. I work in NYC construction management. The ironworkers I hire, as a project manager, typically make more than me, and I don't make a shit salary. But prevailing wage for NYC local 40 ironworkers is like $155/hr lmao. If they work a full 2,000 hours, they make bank. Only issue is that unions are not as clean as what Dems make it out to be, and like half the people in the hall work 2k+ hours, and the other half work 0-500 hours.
Kentucky guy needs to be a new orbiter. We need more normal ass dude orbiters.
Wait will destiny actually debate zizek?
Yes
“VP of telecom” welcome to the orbiters club
Telecomm's VP is pretty based...
Thanks for the time stamps 👍🏼 dope clip channel man! Appreciate the effort bro
casually dropping you're the VP of a telecomm company in conversation LMAO.
The chat people trashing the first guy for being rich are why philosophers say average idiots shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions in government
He's rich and yet he's still crying about taxes.
He knows that the Republican Party is garbage but only votes for them because of some taxes.
He only cares about himself.
Good thing steven speed ran through those to get to the 24 hour marathon stream where he goes comatose and lets qanon and zherka take over.
I used to live in miami and I thought of this before. Homeless folks travel across the nation on busses and trains and hitchhiking and such. South florida is such an off-shoot from the rest of the states it'd be tough to get all the way down there.
Thinking you are getting more out of your tax dollars from the federal government than you were from the CA government is hard cope.
Kentucky guy gets it. Just don't let everyone else know that the center of the country is good cheap livin and we should be fine.
10:00 this take from destiny annoys me. Sure there's inefficiency in corporations, but compared to government inefficiency, its nothing
"STREAN" MISSTOPE💀💀💀
THIS= my jam. Makes me itch so hard to get in there. (...)
everytime I've checked out kick the chat is spamming the n word
Is it just me or is the first thing that comes to mind with the first caller is that you can already choose to deduct charitable donations from your income tax? Like if your opinion is that you can spend your money for a greater social purpose then you'd just donate it.
That's not how tax deductions work. If you donate $100 you don't pay $100 less in tax.
@@chronographer Never said that's how they work. The point of what I'm saying you won't be taxed on your donations, so taxes aren't a barrier to performing charitable acts. If you donate your whole income, you pay no tax.
@@DMAN123223 Did he say taxes were a barrier? That after taxes he literally didn't have any money to donate?
I thought his complaint that taxes seemed very inefficient and wastefully spent.
@@chronographer at 8:49 he says "I would much rather keep more of [my taxes] so I could do more with it, especially in my area". I'm just saying he can donate to a local charity to do exactly this with a deduction, he is implicitly saying taxes are a barrier to charity for him.
You argued a seperate point about whether the tax is fully refunded dollar for dollar or not which no one brought up.
@@DMAN123223 But he doesn't get to keep his money if he donates and takes the deduction. If he donates $100 locally, he doesn't get to 'keep' $100 off his tax bill.
It doesn't solve his problem of inefficient government spending. Until, like you said above, if he donated all of his money, and so didn't have to pay any taxes. But that's hardly a sustainable or 'obvious' solution.
Hope the older guy comes back on
Dan has the worst car opinions he’s so irritating
Dan got COOOOOKKKKKEEEEDD by the second dude
I got a stroke reading the video title
What is the first guys channel?
Wake up babe, new orbiter dropped
Santa Monica used to be nice.
More dan. Where's the pod
this caller is cool
Schizo Dude from the live debate panel is absolutely right. We gotta talk more to some mf's from kentucky and iowa
Streans
EDITOR OMEGALUL
i hope the first guy comes back
Kentucky Dan, the DLC
Dan dan no japan holy yikes
God I just love and respect women so much
It’s almost as funny the 476th time you’ve posted this
Most original Just a turtle comment
Don't know jack$&!+ About taxes but don't you pay less in taxes if you give to charities and help programs? If so, why doesn't the Kentucky guy give his money to the program he supports to lessen the tax load and support the people he wants to support.
Destiny trying to compare waste at the government level to waste in corporations shows that he has become completely detached from reality. It's like trying to compare an anthill to a mountain.
ugh so glad I left the corporate sector
he’s just saying its not unique to the government
@tvng5120 "losing", "wasting" or whatever you want to call it - the amount of money that thr US government does is absolutely unique. To pretend otherwise is to be amongst the biggest copes of all time.
@tvng5120 corporations perform audits and checks to root of waste - the government promotes it.
@@tvnggg It's a completely different problem. Corporations are accountable to their shareholders - if they waste money at a loss they'll get raked over the coals and the CEO will get voted out. The government isn't accountable to anyone. They report nothing.
Why is Dan so terrified of kick chat? For somebody that’s been in the internet as long as him, he sure has sensitive feelings.
He’s a Jew
Dan looks like he's been accused of touching women inappropriately.
You all prove his point.
Some waste VS an absurd amount of waste are different things. You can’t just say oops we lost a few trillion it happens.
So this guy is preaching a traditional life when people don’t want to be traditional.
If a corporation wastes money the way the govt does they go out of business. The gov can't go out of business. Also if a company is really bad with their money generally you can patron a different one, you can't as easily do that with taxes. So people should be way more pissed about gov misspending than corporate