Backstreet Boys to BTS: The Science Behind Why We Love Boy Bands
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Everybody, rock your body and get ready to scream! Today Origin is looking at all things boy band! Danielle traces the history of boy ensembles from early Beatlemania to today, examines the markers of a classic boy band, and explains the science behind this particular type of fandom. Oh my my my!
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Hey Originauts! I'll be down here in the comments section for the next hour answering any questions/comments you have on this episode. So be sure to add your perspective!
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Danielle
I wish you would also touch on the point that many boy bands, especially now, have older - relative to twelve year old- fanbases. I think the BTS fanbase skews to the mid-20s, (ages 18-24 is roughly 39% of fanbase, 25-35 is 27% - at least based on ticket buying), and I think there are similar patterns there, but it's not necessarily all about childhood development as the aspects that we all need as people - I think we never outgrow the need for role models or the benefit of community/collective effervescence/parasocial relationships.
My God u always look so flawless -ur hair looks so #:%@& good 😻 every single episode I've seen ur outfit ur accessories ah 🙌 forget boy bands i'm fan-girling u mi lady 💞💃✨
I would like to start by saying I really enjoyed the video.
I think for many fans of kpop, trainee days are often seen the same way as playing small gigs or busking is for many western artists. I know at least for bts wherever origins are brought up, members who participated in the underground k-hip-hop scene, street dance scene, and those that attended fine arts schools are mentioned. For all groups not just bts, the hours and hours spend practicing, training and performing before debut and until they reach any tangable amount of fame are always mentioned as well. There are some noted idols that trained for almost a decade under a company before debuting. Also in kpop more and more artists are producing their own music and gaining recognition as musicians in their own right and not just as products of the industry. Though at the end of the day these are just my opinions.
@@maryab2231 hey origin of eveything what about girl bands like blackpink and why do women fall for east asian boy bands
Um. Question!!! Why did you put bts in this if they do not follow the typical boyband mold???
- they write, produce and compose their own stuff.
-their messages are not simple. Please go ahead and try to put their story line together yourself.
-their fans are very diverse
Anyways did you know that while making this video? Cause if you did why did you not state that bts doesn't follow that formula??? Thank you.
I have NEVER cared for boy bands at all.
Until BTS.
Cyanoxic Rose same
Because of BTS, I later got into many other Kpopgroups, they were like my door to Kpop and they are still one of my favourite groups
true as hell 🤧😍🤭
yes!!!!!!
same!!
no offense or hate to other boybands, i grew up on nsync and backstreet..and jonas brothers. but BTS is unlike any other kpop group or boyband i ever come across..despite having many screaming girls, their super fanbase is diverse from guys to gals, young and old, kids, teens , adults and college kids. even elders.
BTS is popular currently because they separate themself from other kpop groups and current american artists. they tackle alot of topics that are considered to be taboo/ sensitive to bring up. especially since south korea is very strict and conservative country. People who see people who have mental health issues or having anxiety sees as a sign of weakness topics such as mental health and suicide since korea is well known from for those two. other topics include, bullying, government oppression, anxiety, self love, self respect, following your dreams, motivation,etc. Another reason why bts is popular because they help bring down language barriers and promote more diversity in mainstream music. you dont really see many asian people making it huge in music. same with Asian Americans. BTS is the current perfect example of Asian Representation. Overall BTS wants their music to inspire change, spread awareness and send a positive message. And btw , BTS ACTUALLY WRITES AND PRODUCE their own music
Also bts attracts fans of hip hop, rap, rnb, pop, edm, trap, rock, jazz, blues, etc. BTS is known to do a lot of different genre over the years. two of their members were previously underground rappers.
links for evidence:
bts contribution to music: ua-cam.com/video/sBuKOYYanRk/v-deo.html
who is bts ??(introducing their names ) ua-cam.com/video/xu0IfBvZMRs/v-deo.html
bts hardships and struggles :ua-cam.com/video/NidD1d73tXI/v-deo.html
articles explaining their music:
www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/how-bts-are-breaking-k-pops-biggest-taboos-628141/
www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/8098832/bts-lyrics-social-commentary-political
www.nolala.com/en/artist-in-spotlight/what-is-the-meaning-of-the-songs-of-the-south-korean-k-pop-group-actually-about/
im not posting this to send hate or anything, i commenting this to help people understand who arent familar with bts and dont seem to understand why their huge and popular. and how kpop music became more mainstream nowadays. i grew up on kpop, but never expected bts to be the reason why its becoming more mainstream more nowadays. whats funny is they never intended to break into america. they were never popular in the beginning. the reason why their huge now because they went from a group who had nothing and was poor, almost went bankrupt to becoming huge from years of hard work and dedication. plus the more they work hard, the more their fanbase grew over time.
Someone has a lot of free time, damn
I can't afford BTS concert ticket
Lol nah , I just save whatever I see and help break may stereotype or stigma .
Yaaaaasssss! Intellectual! Drop your twt @ We need to be mutualsb
Btw guys feel free to copy and paste this to anybody new to bts or any haters who needs to be educated who has no common sense lol
I am an ARMY and I am a mother of 2 my eldest is 26 she is also an ARMY. So either the information about fans isn't really correct or I still never grew up and neither did my child. lol
Ahh same, I was never into any boy band growing up, I got into BTS when I was in my 20s, theres was something special about them, a certain connection, their music and message really spoke to me as a human being.
Same. I have two daughters, 24 and 17, and both are ARMYs as I am. I was never into boybands growing up (unless you can consider Duran Duran a boyband) and well into adulthood until BTS. While I understand that the OP had to go into generalizations, I was hoping that having mentioned BTS and used them in the title of the video, she would go further than she did into how they do not fit the mold of typical boybands. Still, she was respectful of them and I appreciate that. ARMY, as a fandom, can be difficult to fully understand anyway, unless you are in it.
A boomer army 😮
KP바비 KJ you really called her boomer i-
@@dotdotdotdotdotdotdottod em....
BTS are not like other boy bands they break boundaries between masculinity and femininity in their music, style and the way they act with each other plus they show/talk about the hard part of being an idol. Most artists only like showing the good part(the end product/their good side) but BTS are not afraid to show they have a heart and do have hard times by doing a Vlive or blogging their journey.
No offense to BTS but there are other K-pop boyband did it too, they wear make up and wear feminine/androgyny clothes, they're popular too even before BTS, but BTS popularity is different than other K-pop Boyband ofc.
Tbh I don't think they break those boundaries that much compared to other artists like harry styles or yungblud
They pretty much act like a lot of other kpop groups
They're awesome though
@@moonchild6352 where you think those artists got that from the K-pop scene obviously like K-pop acts been wearing earings painting there nails wearing makeup for a very long time where you think the eboy style came from like as usual the Americans just take the idea and then ppl believe that's where it started and it's not someone's whose been into the the kdrama and K-pop I can assure they doing it way before Harry styles and any other artist no hate
@@impretty3588 Harry and Yungblud are British though
And glamrock artists wore makeup when kpop didn't even exist since it began in the 70s
• w a t e r • it’s more common for k artists to wear makeup than any other idol..for once believe something lol...BTS broke those boundaries through their songs and fans ! Makeup has no part here ! What are u even talking abt ?
We stan a channel who uses J-Hope's amazing skills as an example
YES
my dad, 75, who has never been interested in boy bands (listened to a few beatles songs), is now an army (bts fan) after i introduced them to him lol
Omg my mom is 75 as well, and she's an army too! She actually discovered them herself, it's so cute!!
My mom actually became interested to them when I was watching "BTS: Nobodies to Legends" and she just stayed in my room to watch it with me (even though I prolly watched it for 10 or more times lol).
Thats what bts. Its not about visuals.
@@ami2017angel and remember that kpop groups that debuted in 2019 do not put effort in their albums
Oof
Something that I see media and even other fans gloss over is the fact that BTS was not formed by a company so they can have a group to market, but the company found one member to be extraordinarily talented that they had to create a group so that they can have him debut. This is what makes them different from other k-pop groups. While other company only saw profits, Big Hit saw talent and potential. Yes, the followed the usual Korean entertainment company system, but they only started the system when they saw how talented that member is.
bent on disapproving what?? Are you saying the only one member in bts is talented and the others were there just so they can debut? Because if they just wanted one person, there is a thing called solo artist.
Gretchen Miller that is not what she is staring at all. The origin from BTS lays with Rap Monster/RM or Kim Namjoon. Cause basically BigHit wanted to debut him in a group and he helped with that attracting people with his talent and music. That was how Jeon Jungkook joined bighit because he was offered by a few big entertainment companys to sign to but ultimately chose bighit due to RM.
Then what the hell is CUBE?! YG?! Chopped liver?! Big Hit is only doing what other K Pop fans agencies have been doing. Do your research first before making stupid declarations like that. You make yourself and the fandom look dumb.
@@kguerr197 wait what??? what does this comment have to do with cube and yg??? please read it again cuz i think you misunderstood it
@@kguerr197 those company's are abusing trainers forcing the females to starve train all night and when they do debut they don't have no freedom you should do your research company's like YG jyp SM are the worst company full of illegal shit and alway get caught seeing groups like blackpink who don't even have a full album how there forcing each member to act a certain way they not letting rose release any solo all they did was model for certain things BH is literally a good company BTS get to release whatever they want whether it's music video's on UA-cam they just limit themselves because there the biggest boyband if you were a kpop Stan you would know but you clearly don't .
She ALWAYS has great videos. But I’m actually surprised that she was able to take this topic and show a new perspective that I’ve never even thought of.
I like the way she speaks. Her tone is professional but approachable and pleasing to the ears.
it's funny to me how most of these "boyband rules" dont apply to bts at all lmao
They actually do Wdym, BTS is manufactured that’s how they were created they were cast and scouted and were a group of young teens and young adults, they have the feminine boyish image she described and are sexual yet act sexually ambiguous just like she said, they dance and don’t play instruments, have a generally mainstream pop sound, are confined from the company rules to present a certain image that doesng always align w themselves as RM himself has said many times he struggles with like a lot of this is spot on I think y’all are just not detaching from that defensive army place lol I kno it’s hard but u gotta detatvh from that to listen and understand videos like this
IKR!!😂
Kim Yoongi Forrunately Bts have a lot more freedom that most other companies do, so most of what you stated about them not being allowed to do certain things is incorrect. Also, what do you mean by “feminine” look? Their style has changed from debut to now so that point’s s bit shaky, they do not act sexually ambiguous (skinship does not count), some of them do play instruments just like how some of them don’t dance except when it is expected of them for the typical choreographed statges or such and such. Lastly, BTS were not manufactured, they are original and authentic. Every member in the team today are here because they wanted to be; they decided to stick together. They are just as ‘manufactured’ as every other rags to riches American artist story. Lastly, I am aware that they are expected to portray a certain image for fans that doesn’t harm their reputation but I’m yet to see where they explicitly talked about company rules that have been especially hard in them. Except for their own personal battles, I haven’t heard them talk about company rules; it’d be really helpful if you can give me the link to that if you can. Finally, only some of their most recent songs sound like mainstream pop, it’s not a defining characteristic of what they produce altogether, just one of the different genres of which they make music. Honestly, I’m not trying to be defensive or anything; a lot of the points you made at least to my knowledge just didn’t sound right to me.
Thank you! I was thinking the same thing when she was listing all the traits of a "typical" boyband. LOL! 😎
@@catherinesmith5793 You sure BTS members don't or can't play instruments? Which one you mean? Most if not all know how to play at least 1 musical instrument.
I am an adult and the reason why I came to stan BTS was not because they're good-looking (I'm not the boy band type, believe me), but because I saw how beautiful their personalities are, how much they care for each other and their fans, the messages they seek to deliver to their fans, their skill in both writing music and performing choreography. In short, I ADMIRE them for being such hard-working, creative individuals who want to make the world a better place.
Same. A friend told me about their first US TV appearance and I checked it out, and the music & dancing was so good I wanted to know more... finding out more about them led to learning what a bunch of goofy crackheads they are which is just indescribably endearing. I don't think I'd ever come across an artist or band so unabashedly silly. And that's what hooked me on BTS.
11:23 "And let's face it: there are equally frivolous things and catchy music crazes associated with teenage boy culture that don't get nearly as much finger-wagging." Ain't that the truth! Great video topic.
I was never into boy bands growing up, I mostly listened to indie bands or just mindlessly to whatever was good on radio, I was more of a book worm so celebrities and their music scenes weren't my thing. I discovered BTS in my 20s, at first I ignored them because I thought, if I've never liked a boy band before why would I suddenly like one now? But BTS was special, it was an instant connection, their message resonated with me deeply. Their authenticity, their incredible talent and awe-inspiring music that they produce and write themselves struck me as something so special, they made a serious impact in my life and opened me up to so many new aspects of life. They introduced me to the ARMY, a family, a community full of incredibly intelligent and hard working individuals from all parts of the world who come together to support a common love. BTS helped me discover my own voice, helped me realized how important it is to be involved in my society because together we can work to make this world a better place. Thats why I'm a BTS ARMY.
The first time i become a fan girl of boyband is during Backstreetboys in the 90's and not until i saw bts on mtv and i am amused by how they are good in dancing. At my age of 50 i become curious about bts and what kind of sogs they are in. So i followed them on youtube and i learned so much about each one them. And then i watch all their videos, their songs, their concerts their run bts
I am backstreetboy fan in the 90's and not until i saw bts that i becsme a fan girl again. I first saw bts on mtv. And i am impressed of how good they are in dancing.and ibecome curious checked them on youtube. I watched all their videos especialy run bts. And then i become aware of their individual looks, i find Jin.very handsome and funny and intelligent too. I learned about each of the membet . At my age of 50 i became young at heart again because bts makes me laugh so hard until my tummy hurts .and what i like about bts is that they are the most humble arrust i'v ever known
As an ARMY (BTS fan), thank you for making this video!
I just wanted to add that BTS transcends languages, religions, ethnicities, genders, sexualities, and ages. We have all different kinds of people in our fandom and it’s disheartening when media or society only
portrays us as “screaming, mindless, 12 year old fangirls.”
To relate to this video, joining this fandom 4 years ago was my first experience ever in being apart of a family like this. There’s many different reasons why people adore BTS and call themselves ARMYs. For myself, the music drew me in and the meanings and their story made me stay. When I first heard their songs and saw their music videos with their choreography, I thought it was so cool! However, as I fell deeper in, I started understanding their lyrics, their messages that they’re trying to convey to us. Like you mentioned, BTS breaks the typical stereotype of boy bands that have simple light hearted lyrics. I always say there’s a BTS song for every mood because the range in their discography is huge. From simple love songs to societal pressure songs, there’s always something that can comfort you. It’s even better when they’re the ones writing the lyrics and even help compose the songs! It’s truly genuine, and you feel a sense of bond as you learn more about the members and about the underdog back story of BTS.
Because of this bond, ARMYs are very passionate when it comes to BTS and it’s so frustrating to see when people use us for clout or anger us for their amusement. So thank you for making an informative video and using BTS’ name respectfully!
“You’ll like BTS’ music if you listen without prejudice.” - SUGA (BTS member)
Idk man, the relationship between joonie and I is that Namjoon is my president 😤✊
Reasons I actually love BTS:
1. Their music. The main reason I obviously like them is their music. The songs go from crying at your window kinda vibes to banging your head so hard you think your brain will plop out kinda vibes.
2. The lyrics. I don’t understand most of them but that’s what we got google for.
3. Breaking gender stereotypes and showing people that they should wear what they feel comfortable in no matter what section of the store they shopped in.
4. Telling people to love themselves. The message they‘re spreading through their music is so important and probably saved thousands of people. Also they don’t say „don‘t be sad, just love yourself“ they say „it’s okay to be sad, we all have days where we don’t feel the best but we‘re all in this together and you’re never walking alone.“
5. Their personalitys. I don’t think that needs a lot of explanation.
6. How down to earth they are.
7. Donating money for good causes (google if you want to know more lol)
8. Paving the way for other Kpop artists to become big internationally.
9. The hard work they put into producing the best music etc. for their fans.
10. The fans. I know ARMYs are always seen like immature 11 year old girls that start a fight with everyone that says something slightly bad about BTS. I used to think that way, too. But once I started getting into BTS I started seeing the good sides. ARMYs all over the world support each other. ARMYs only want the best for the boys and appreciate their hard work. ARMYs give the world beautiful presents on each of the members birthdays like huge donations to different causes or planting trees like on Namjoons birthday.
11. I could probably tell you 420 reasons more but I think my thumbs are gonna fall of and I think you get the idea.
Through getting into BTS I‘ve started judging less and most importantly I started to really love myself and I realized that there are reasons for all of us to be here. BTS stood on my side during that process and I couldn’t be more thankful for that.
Okay one last reason:
12. They are pretty cute ngl
아미 사랑해 💜
Oh, yeah. I, too, can scream like a girl. With even an occasional "squeeee" involuntarily escaping. I'll get lost in a performance, the hundredth time much like the first (well, OK, second).
I was 7 when the Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan on 9 February 1964. I was in the kitchen doing homework (I always procrastinated until Sunday evening) when I clearly and distinctly remember my older brothers going crazy shouting: "The Beatles are on TV!". To which my first thought was: "Well, stop shouting, get a paper towel, wipe them off, and toss them outside."
Watching that performance changed me in fundamental ways. Seeing as well as hearing the performance. Until then, popular music was something heard on a tinny portable transistor radio. Music performances were seen only in things like musical films and in the church. After that, I started watching shows like American Bandstand and Soul Train. I had developed a relationship with pop music and video.
And, right around then, I started dancing. I'm now 63 and haven't even slowed down. The leap pop and rock music made from the radio to TV and the dance floor swept me along with it. Can we talk about MTV? I was there when The Buggles "Video Killed the Radio Star" played 1 minute after midnight on 1 August 1981. Just as I was there for The Beatles 17 years earlier. One of the best things about MTV were the dance moves, along with the choreography. And now UA-cam.
I've been an engineer for over 30 years, and I look and act the part. Most of the time. But at the company Holiday party last Friday, I knew all the songs from all the decades, and enthusiastically danced all night. With folks 1/3 my age trying to keep up. Raised more than a few eyebrows. I literally had to beg and drag folks onto the dance floor. Even got the staff dancing! (On my last birthday, my best friend raised this toast: "You're not 63. You're turning 21 for the third time!")
I've never been able to make music, despite thousands of fruitless hours spent torturing multiple guitars. Until a few years ago, when I finally I took ukulele and voice lessons, and I actually became OK at both (though sheet music is still a deep and arcane mystery to me). Still, neither holds a candle to my dancing. However, for each new song that captures me, I anxiously await the appearance of a tab sheet that will let me play it. Mainly so I can change the key to something I can sing.
I do have one quirk: I prefer to like the entire boy/girl band, and not have one favorite member who surpasses all others. So one will have the best look, another will be most fit or athletic, another will have the best moves, another the best voice, another be most expressive, and so on. Something for everyone. Except for Posh Spice.
Well, OK, two quirks: I learned how to read Korean (a truly phonetic writing system). Not for the restaurant menus (yum!) but for the K-Pop lyrics. I'm able to sing along with the captions without knowing the words or what they mean! It really freaks out the young-uns when I clarify their enunciation. I really should work on learning the language itself. Someday!
BobC I admire you
why can't my father be like you?
Mr... You are awesome!!!!
You, my friend, are AWESOME
I'm not quite as old (currently 47), but I do remember much of what you said. I, sir, am a lot like you, I believe. I lived for MTV and VH1. I recorded music videos just so I could learn the choreographies. I learned hiphop and rap when it just started gaining some good traction. (my fave back then was Run DMC😎) I was super stoked when I first heard Salt 'n Peppa! My first encounter with a female rap group. I was like "YES! It's not just guys that love this!" I learned how to breakdance and do all the other hiphop moves from movies like Breakin and many music videos. I've travelled along this train of music for a long time, watching different types of songs and genres pop up. Some of it I liked; and some, I didn't. I liked some songs from boybands, but was never interested in becoming a fan. I was only a fan of sports teams. But that all changed when I started listening to kpop. I liked the genre of music and everything it had to offer. But, I still wasn't a fan - until I finally clicked on the BTS video, FIRE, in my recommended videos in 2016. My world changed in an instant. I felt like I did hearing Run DMC for the first time - electrified. I'm now teaching myself Korean. It's slow going, but it is worth it to be able to see and understand videos in Korean without translations. I'm eternally grateful for all the ARMY translators. They are helping me learn and understand Korean better. Someday, I would like to become fluent enough to be able to go there. I'm in love with learning about South Korean culture, history, and language. I wish you all the best, my friend and remember, you ROCK!
I’ve never really been into boybands until bts I guess. I was always more into rock and metal but bts really caught me right from the start, which both surprised and didn’t surprise me, because once I looked into what they were about, it made a lot of sense why I got into them. They weren’t my introduction into kpop but up until then I hadn’t really liked any of their boybands besides Sechskies and Shinee, and even then, my attachment to them was a lot more casual. But I’ve never seen the problem with boybands. I feel like a lot of the shit people give towards these bands for having predominantly young female fanbases is steeped in some sort of subconscious misogyny/sexism. Anything young girls seem to like gets hated on en masse until men start liking it. Then it’s considered “cool”.
Kinda was in the same boat. I grew up listening to 80s rock and then got into hardcore metal, and for the longest time I hated on famous pop celebrities. I absolutely hated the sound of bubblegum pop and always turned a blind eye to any other kind of music. Then I discovered BTS, and watched a few of their videos showing their personalities. Then I learned the message of their music. So then I finally decided to try and listen to their music, and at first I was like ehh, but I ended up getting attached. Now I love each and every single one of their songs, and have so much respect for every member. I love them and I'll continue to love them, because they really brightened up my life and I've never been happier.
Same! I only really listened to rock, some metal, and some classical music. Until BTS. 2014 Boy in luv & Danger 🙏🏻
And yes, no interest is considered legitimate until men like it. If only men like it, that's fine and good, but if it's mostly women? Then it's considered silly 🤦🏼♀️
@@Catfue12316 you're a fanboy? 😍😍
@@Ebbagull you're a fanboy too? 😍😍
@@swinerazor4075 fangirl 😗
I have to say that BTS is very unique, I grew up with N´SYNC and Backstreet Boys, but with all do respect, they are nothing like BTS, I liked those boybands but I was never a hardcore fan, I started to listen to BTS music this year, btw I´m obviously not 12, and there is something about those 7 boys that is truly special, of course they come with the stigma of every boyband in the world, that they are "factory manifactured" , "cookie cuttered", but in reality they kinda not... they produce their own songs, and touch issues that in their own society are taboo, I don´t remember an N´SYNC or BSB songs with any social comentary back in the 90s, and there is something about them that you can not grasp, and I can´t describe it either, is like a unicorn, something too special that I think I would not see twice.
I just don't understand how people think BTS is unique. They are beyond talented than most boy bands. I still think vocally Boys2Men are up there but BTS music just reminds me of the 2020 version of American R&B music.
@@lisah8438 2020 version of american RNB MUSIC? Are we talking about the same group.... ? Cause that's really not what bts sounds like. They have more hip-hop influence than anything else to me. I think you might've listened to a random kpop group and thought that was bts because there's no way someone could think bts sounds like a 2020 ver of american Rnb music. Or you might've listened to one or too songs that sounds like that because theyre a very versatile group. They have over 35 genres/music style in their wide discography. Please don't assume what they sound like based on one single song because the minute you listen to their albums you are not going to be very surprised.
lol they cant beat backstreet boys , 1d vocally
@@dddddd-ie2gtyeah, cause their strongest trait is to rap not to sing 🤦
Its true that the majority of BTS's fans are female. The thing that sets them apart is that they have a very wide age range of fans. Uncommon for boy bands in general.
Ever heard of The Beatles
U mean uncommon for kpop?
@@MJisthepowerhouseofmusic no, uncommon for boybands. 1D, Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, even TheBeatles had predominantly younger audience than BTS when they were at their peak. This stereotype isn't from kpop but from boybands. Kpop soloïsts usually have an older audience than kpop groups. And BTS probably has the oldest audience in kpop since they reached MANY MANY MORE people to the point where their success reached the open minded older generations who tried to check them out to see if theyre good or not and ended up liking them.
i'm here for bts and bts only
There's a reason only very few boybands transcends in time and space. BTS might be a boyband (for now, considering how old they are), but that's a technicality. And it's also the reason they're here to stay. Enl*stment, snubbing, racism, xenophobia, severe directed targeting from record labels that aren't associated with their current record label and more.. None of it matters. Nothing can change what makes Bangtan unique, them being real, genuine, creative and owners of their own distinct sound. Love it or hate it, they can try to imitate em, they'll never be them. Just a good or bad copy. There's a rason so many are trying to imitate what they have been doing for years, naturally. It comes off as contrived and obvious! Bangtan will be in their 30's and will still enjoy popularity and even more validation not just from fans but from their peers, which they already have. Peers as in musicians, not as in other 'boybands' or kp0p bands, no. Musicians.
Any bands could make a cover or sing a song and dance perfectly to it. Any group of hot guys can gather attention too. Not saying many of their Armys aren't drown to them cause of their looks, but any hardcore ARMY knows this is gonna be a life-lasting journey for us. Not cause we're planning on marrying the boys, no. But because we're here to support them and their endeavors simply cause we believe in em, their talent, creativity and independence. Their freedom to think for themselves, whether they make a mistake or not, it doesn't matter. They're on their way to be more and more free. Or as free as they could be considering where they're from and how society is where they live in.
No next generation Beatles. Just Bangtan.
Beautifully said 👏👏👏
@Grass Eater People literally writing paragraphs explaining why bts is different with actual arguments and proofs to support their opinions and you are here being an annoying person just saying what theyre saying is wrong with no logical explanation which makes you look ignorant about them. What makes them the same as other boybands, aside from the fact that they sing, are good looking and dance? Literally nothing. They have nothing in common with most boybands. The closest boyband to them would be The Beatles but it still doesn't add up at all because their music, style, lyricism, backstory, context, industry is very different.
Chimmy in the corner make me screeeeeeeeaaaaam 😭
and jimin
And the Shooky mask
CHHIMMYYY
8:00 - That's because parents listen to old-school stuff, whereas kids listen to new-age stuff.
But when a kid can get their parent interested in their type of music, it goes a long way towards building a stronger bond.
Yeah, am one of those kids who hate MOST modern (mainstream) music, and LOVE “old” music, such as The Beatles, Queen, Or Billy Joel To Name a few. But hey, that’s just me.
Honestly I think my two favorite boy bands of all time are BTS and 1D. Not gonna lie I like boy bands better than solo singers simply because they just make me feel more happy for some reason. I just feel like there's a bigger sense of purity there when compared to other artists. I think it's mainly because their primary focus isn't just sex, drugs, and money.
You know their are solo artist that don't talk about money or kissing women
I didn’t understand the boy band thing I didn’t really care about them. Until bts.
Stayed with them and grew up with them :,)
Alex BOWER I became a fan at 15 during the boy in luv era I’m 21 I’m not a fan I’m an army. BTS is the only group I follow. I ain’t no mf fake . I wasn’t here since the beginning but I’m still an army.
MINAHNAMHO but that’s not possible since boy in luv came out in 2014, so that would mean you would at most have been a fan for 5 years. I don’t get why people lie about how long they’ve been fans, it doesn’t make sense.
@@cherryfries623 It's annoying when people lie, but no need to get so angry about it. idk whether he's lying or not, but what matters, is that he's a fan. It's not like he is spreading negativity...
excuse meee. my name is kpop trash. Ay, I’m not mad, just kinda confused and curious lol I don’t get why people would make up how long they’ve been a fan of something, I’ve seen so many people do it as if it makes them cooler to have been a fan for a decent amount of time lol
Cherry Fries Aligned to what you've said, I hated most of the BTS fans on Twitter. They think they're more incorporated into BTS' lives bc they're always updated (seeing that Twitter is BTS' most used platform), and that they're more involved on how BTS achieved their success. It just annoys me how superiority complex has taken over them.
...and the decorations in the background are on point too this time 😏😺😼
I see Backstreet Boys, I click!!!
One of the most successful boybands in the world. ❤️
Multifandom soothes the soul despite emptying pockets-
I didn't care for any artist let alone boy bands until BTS.
BTS is more than a boy band. And theit popularity isn't passive. A.R.M.Y. is diverse.
Also I will make sure my great grand children know who BTS is😂
I’m 27 and I never was into boy bands until I discovered BTS. (My other genres are alternative rock and folk/indie music) BTS is truly one of a kind. Basically I’m not into BTS because they’re a boy band but because they are phenomenal performers making great music. The whole fandom mania and a whole lot screaming is also very new to me. But all the other ways Army show their love is really beautiful ( like participating or creating charity events) I really enjoy being part of the most well organized fandom.
Same same, except my alternative genres are jazz, classical, and latin.
I always love whenever I see TVXQ in these kind of videos. They were THE kpop boyband back then and I'm grateful they haven’t been completely forgotten. I used to dislike boy bands, but then I fell in love with TVXQ and I'm still stuck in the kpop hole a decade later lol
The Beatles: Both the inventors and destroyers of the boy band mold.
The Beatles are a rock/pop band.
@@itsbeyondme5560 nah, they were a boyband, just because they played instruments it doesnt mean the target audience or the songs changed
Nat the Beatles were absolutely a boyband
@@girlsnightgirIsnight
No. You must know only beatlemania. They are more than that. Listen to rubber soul and beyond
@@itsbeyondme5560 If you watched the video, she did also say that yes, eventually they became more associated with rock and roll. But just because men eventually co-opted their body of work and branded it intellectual and cool, doesn't mean we should just forget the era when they were also dismissed as floppy haired boys singing songs to screaming girls. You know who propelled them to fame? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't the men.
BTS is exactly the new standard for boy bands. Emphasis on 'new' & 'standard'. Yes, no ones done it like them before. I know this, I'm an ARMY too, that's why I've been with them. But yes, every last single act after them are going to do the same thing with their own twist, and eventually a new band will make a new standard to surpass them as BTS has surpassed everyone else. 'The more things change, the more they stay the same.' And the cycle will thusly continue. There's literally nothing wrong with this as long as everyone is happy, healthy, and at peace with themselves. The greatest favor, the 'job' of ARMYs is to stop getting so hung up on useless western names and constructs that have never and should never matter to Bangtan Seyondan & enjoy their music. With an emphasis on enjoying their music and staying out of their personal lives, their friends & families, and in general let them have a *private* human life as Kim Seokjin, Min Yoongi, Jung Hoseok, Kim Namjoon, Park Jimin, Kim Taehyung, Jeon Jungkook outside of the 'BTS' life as Jin, Suga, RM, J-HOPE, Jimin, V, & Jungkook.
One comment with sense!
I loved backstreet boys so much when I was a teen. It all makes so much sense now.
Something I’ve noticed about fandom, at least in my own experience, is that even if the specific franchises you like come and go, the ones you transition to often have more in common with their predecessors than you might realize. Whether it’s specific kinds of characters, themes, aesthetics, or otherwise, a simple analysis will usually reveal common threads running through most of them.
THANK YOU for making the distinction between how BTS were treated by their company and how others groups were. Its really horrible to see people give the example of BTS when talking about the toxicity and in certain cases abuse in the kpop industry. It not only undermines the experiences that some groups went through (many an act of violation of basic human rights) but also portrays the group and their company in a negative light.
Music, parasocial relationships, collective effervescence, and feminism. I'm in the right place.
90% of comments: *I’ve never stanned boybands before, bUt BtS*
8 % of comments: *wow this was acc ok youre actually not a failure!*
2% of comments: *wAiT I’m An AdOlEsCEnt ChILd?!!*
I like that you're using/citing scholarly articles.
I clicked so fast as soon as i saw my notification because I saw BTS!
"Yay fandom!!!" I concur. This was a great vid. I'm 39 and screaming for things that excite me is as fun now as it ever was 🥰.
- That was fabulous work on the origin of boy bands and the disparity between which ones went mainstream and those that didn't. I rarely see that particular issue examined.
I liked Nick! I loved those blue eyes. Now, 20 years later my husband of 10 years, has beautiful blue eyes as well. (Me after realizing it's been 20 years) "Holy Crap! when did I get so old??"
So...my youthful and current attachment to one Alfred "Wired Al" Yankovic is *still* normal? 😊
Hey, do you!
@@lesliegs1 Hey, always did, always do... Chris Hardwick has a bit where he talks about how nerds of the past suffered and paved the way for mainstream Nerddom now. Chesk out his special "Mandroid." 😂👍
I spent my preteens and teenaged years stanning the likes of *NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, Westlife, Boyzone, TLC, Destiny's Child, Boys II Men, No Mercy, 98 Degrees, Blue etc. Now here I am, 29 years old, still stanning Backstreet Boys and a hardcore BTS Army for life. Oh what a life we fangirls live 😍 I wldnt ever give it up for anything. BTSPOP FTW! 💜💜💜
10:45 "We scream when j-hope stars dancing."
Too true for me :D
Do one on girl groups!
LyraFay12 : I can only think of Spice Girls, which were meant for an adult male audience but ensnared mostly young girls. So I would agree a girl band video would be educational.
And maybe another video on the music idols with mostly teen male fans? Their existence was mentioned briefly, here.
I'd love to see that!
Also Shooky making a cameo 😍
I'm impressed that you've done a good research about what you are talking about.
People usually read from wikipedia and say anything just to talk bad about the fans.
Great talk and I enjoyed it 👍
Backstreet boys and BTS are amazing artists :)
BTS has a healing music and lyrics I can't describe how amazing these guys are.
They helped me alot with the positive energy that I get from them :)
I overcome alot of challenges in my life by just watching their story 😊
If you like you can watch:
(BTS from nobodies to legends 2018)
Again thanks for this well researched piece :)
So does this mean I still have the mind of an adolescent???
I feel like a 12-yr-old because I am discovering so much about popular culture nowadays haha. Before BTS, I was a chauvinist who only liked jazz, latin, and classical music 😅
@@btsjiminface remember that kpop groups that debuted in 2019 do not put effort in their albums
@@estelaangeles2346 TXT exists
I have never being into boybands or any other artists at all until BTS. I am proud and happy to be a btsArmy :)
Saw BTS in the thumbnail and came running.
I was never really a big fan of any boybands or any celebrity for that matter. BUT BTS caught my attention, their songs r very relatable, their lyrics r everything and they take part in the production too.
Bts' music is listened by mostly ppl of age 40, then, in their teens, then their 20s. We have fans of all ages. But twitter has literally ruined our reputation. Not even quarter of fans r active on twitter btw.
Twitter ARMY may be currently throwing away our reputation, but also the ARMY here who say ARMY!!!! on barely relevant UA-cam videos. Twitter ARMY helped soooo much to give BTS the recognition BTS deserves by voting for awards and contacting radio stations, and UA-cam ARMY are also doing helping by streaming MVs. We are a family and there are always going to be bad and good sides to us. 😊
@@btsjiminface still want them to go in the british awards
yo twitter army is the main part of the fandom. twitter is avery toxic place in general but they are always minding their business people just come for them unprovoked. army twitter helped them the most. all the chart accounts, goals, and everything is there lol theyre hella dedicated
I used to like backstreet boys, westlife and one direction. (I regret being a directioner) But BTS came into my life and changed my whole perspective of what my ideal type of boyband should be like. BTS really helped me in dealing with the challenges I'm facing in life and motivates me to work harder than I did. The groups I used to like, never did these for me. Tbh I dont think there will be another group for me to like since BTS have set the standard way too high ( I dont mean that in an offensive way✌💜)
Love this! I think a huge part of BTS' success (in the west) is connected to the fact that those of us who were kids during the BSB/N sync era, feel so nostalgic when we here new pop music delivered in a similar way. So not only do they have large number of young fans, but they've captured the older generation too! A lot of BTS fans are moms (like me) who listen WITH their kids- that's like nothing i've seen before (my mom was definitely not listening to LFO or Hanson)- BTS are so sweet and fun, it's hard not to fall in love, whatever your age.
not a teenager anymore... .-. yisus. HAHAHAHA But i can say that I admire BTS so much, they help me find the theme of my thesis. And now i have my degree, thanks to them (my thesis focuses in self love for teenagers)
Funnily enough, the first three words in the title/thumbnail are 'Why Do We', and there's a pretty recent boyband called *'Why Don't We'* 😄
I love how many Jimin merch the Complexly office have lolol. I hope the cutout is still there 💕
ARMY and 22 y/o "teenager" here. Never been in the fandom of any other boyband ever, other than like... The Beatles.
BTS is a buffoon group, not a regular boyband. 😂💕
They're a movement. They do so much more than one may think, besides writing and producing their songs, and they don't do just simplistic bubblegum pop. Assuming that's all they do is silly. Pay attention to their lyrics, interpret them and you'll see. They write about themselves and they write with us in mind. They're artists. They're healing. They're family.
The beatles weren't a boy band
@@jordynsimmons1107 :O
omg rlyyy???? :O
I'm going for the "boyband blueprint analogy" that was made on the video, tho.
But thx for the unnecessary explanation. Really.
This was a really great video! I'm usually left feeling dissatisfied with videos explaining or describing boybands but this one nailed it!
Well, these boybands can make or break you actually. Specifically, I loved BTS but some people can love them to an extent which can turn out to be a bad addiction. As for me, a 25 y/o, I see them as a great inspiration for those who wanted to achieve musical success. Watching about how they struggled in their debut really gives me so much motivation to do my best on pursuing music, but then again, I'm not relying on them that much. I'm just saying that it depends on each person and if they know their limits.
It is always a pleasure hearing you speak, thank you for another great episode!
it's hard not to like boy bands ):
I'd never been into boy bands before BTS. There's something about their music that is magnetic, but their lyrics are what really brought me in. It's like you could print them out and stick them in a poetry book, and you wouldn't know the difference between the poetry written for the poetry book and the lyrics to their songs.
@BNOZ99 ! ??? where in my comment did I imply that I thought I was cool or edgy because I wasn't into boybands before?
That was actually a great video! I liked the balance that you kept. Much love
this video is so well-made, everything is obviously researched and explained in a way general viewers will be able to understand easily. i even admire the editing! i also love love love the speaker, i like how she delivers the facts in a way that's entertaining for both the ears and eyes. plus, the structure of the video is great! everying makes sense and concludes in a way that doesn't offend or touch topics that may trigger anyone from any particular fandom! love this and will subscribe ♡
before bts I was into rock bands throughout my childhood and teen years when I was 19/20 I was lucky enough to witness bts debut and I've been with them until now. there's just something about them I can't explain I just wish they were around when I was younger but then again I used to hate boybands because of the stupid stereotype man had with pop music in general, I rejected that genre to fit in and be different from the other girls.
Why do y'all think BTS is so unique. They are similar to American music.
@@lisah8438 which boyband have a song similar to black swan in their discography, quickly?
Army here! Very interesting video, Thank you 💜 (& I spy chimmy in the back 😉)
Just here to see what she was going to say about One Direction... miss them so much
The way you casually used "a group of lads" as a synonym for boy band is blowing my mind...
This was so interesting💜thank you for the video!
I love boy bands and love learning about the history of boy bands and this taught me so much thank you
Okay, this was awesome and I want to read all the sources you cited.
BTS is my 1st Boy Group i like and stan they are my inspiration to love myself for who i am or what i have.
They motivates me for not giving up goals and admiration in my life.
#BTSFanBoyARMY
This is taking analyzing your idol band the into whole new level... nice i can see from academic,sosial perspectives.. thanks
Boy bands weren't really my thing. Until I found Why Don't We. They were solo artists first, and became friends through social media tours and different projects, and decided to form a band themselves. All five guys play instruments and have beautiful voices and harmonies. (Member Daniel has a gift of being able to play over 20 instruments by ear!) They have written and produced songs before.
For getting so successful so quickly, they're still laid back, humble, respectful goofballs. They're hilarious and very much like brothers. They inspire people every day, and make me see that dreams come true if you work hard. They've hardly had a real break in a couple years, but they love what they do and keep going, even when fandom drama gets out of hand. They were all bullied growing up for trying to do music, but inspire people to rise above. They are basically idols of mine.
I also now love On the Outside, a new pop- country boy band, as well as RØYLS, who is more pop-rock-electro.
Although the sociological impact of what she says makes sense and I applaud her for referencing research, including BTS to fit into these molds don't always apply. As a 37 yo BTS ARMY...I actually use BTS to stay in contact with my mom. Her bias is Jimin. My dad thinks it's odd I like them but thinks it's because they're asian. I have ABSOLUTELY nothing in common with my mom and due to her lack of education we usually argue. But BTS is the only thing we can enjoy together (other than arguing which performance is better). What's funny is I'll try to find Vietnamese translations for songs for her (as BTS is global it's easy to find) and she'll judge the horrible translations. But as we both don't understand Korean and depend on multiple translations, it's funny how we can argue about this. Because of BTS their music transcends language. I remember explaining to her Singularity and she's like "this is so sad I can't listen to this anymore" lol. I also now have a larger group of friends and a new best friend and we're not only older, same, or younger age, we can all communicate the same. I was at a BTS Jin birthday event and a teenager hugged me as a thank you for coming. I'd have intellectual conversation about the BU (bangtan universe, alternative fictional universe) and be dumbfounded I'm talking to someone at least 15 years younger than me. I met a married woman in her 50s (I saw her wedding ring) in line at a Bt21 store, and after talking awhile commented that "it's nice to meet an older married woman fangirling" and the way she just got SO excited and proclaimed "but this is EXCITING and it's HEALTHY. We're not doing drugs or something stupid." BTS transcends not just language and culture, but age. The way BTS incorporate literature and psychology into their music and concepts and helped me find a WORLDWIDE book club basically where I read and share ideas and theories and learned to read outside my comfort zone.
At this point I am rambling (scuse the grammar) and I don't know how to close this.
I have so much more to say but I will say BTS does not belong in this talk, they deserve their own.
It is still an excellent talk and I loves it though. I will sub.
I don't know but I'm really into boybands, it started with Beatles during elementary days then BSB during high school days up to my 20's. I said I'll stop because I'm in my 30's but BTS came so I fall in love again 😍😍😍 and I'm not even teenager.
Excelent material, bravo!
I love this video! I grew up listening to Menudo and NKOTB but I stopped listening to BBs during my college years (angst period aka Alanis world) but never lost that happy vibe listening to BBs' music. BTS brought back that collective effervescence for me and I have a parasocial relationship with my forever bias, Seokjin (and the other BTS members, of course). :D I am happy that I am one of those future mothers and future people keeping the world going that Harry quoted about. Thanks for explaining the science behind our obsession and fandom.
(My Opinion) Backstreet Boys still the best boy band of all time
This is awesome, subbed.
Hello I'm a ARMY and I'm an adult the same as the members of BTS 🙂
Quoting Harry is always right
I never liked boy bands until BTS 💕 I’m no teenager. I think they are a musical phenomenon
Love Chimmy, Shooky, and Jimin in the video lol
The Origin / Complexly team may have a few Jimin and Yoongi fans on staff ;)
-Sheridan
Yes😂😂😂
Awesome episode! Hope SoundField does a Boy Band episode in the future that you can help them with and even feature in! Would love to see more PBS YT channel crossovers!!
This was really interesting!! I'm an adult fan of BTS and feel like i'm constantly on the defensive when speaking about them to my peers who are wearing commentary youtuber merch, if you get my drift. The irony seems completely lost on people who are quick to scoff while having idols and interests with merchandise/devoted time to that thing they are a fan of. Nobody questioned when I drained my savings to go on a punk rock cruise but scratch their heads how I flew out of state to catch BTS perform live. The work ethic and journey of BTS mirrors the rock bands I grew up on. I admire it and it inspires me. It's really that simple! And moshing at a ska show is just as liberating as screaming and waving my light stick at a BTS show. The stigma is annoying and I really feel BTS will be the group who breaks it, especially given technology and their fanbase, and forces people to look at themselves and see the hypocrisy in turning their nose up at the 'boy band' phenomenon. There is substance there that is impossible to ignore. Thanks for the video!
BTS is actually not only for fangirls. The biggest percentage of their fans are in their 40s, the second is in their 20s, and finally teens take third place :D
I'm interested in your take on two things:
The "girl group" - same recruited, produced idea, but with girls.
How did Korea/Japan successfully resurrect this format through music and marketing? I was never a Spice Girls fan, but I CANNOT get enough Momoiro Clover Z!
I am an adult who is also a BTS fan. I don't really get it at first. I was casually watching Sewol Ferry accident videos on UA-cam and suddenly watching fan theorized the song Spring Day is related to the incident. Then I dig up about the band and I'm now hooked. Their messages are what I want people to look up to. Plus, the members themselves are bunch of good smart kids put together and their chemistry with each other are just so good.
Great work guys! Very Informative. If you could do more about neuro-marketing I am really willing to dig in.
BTS IN THE TITLE AND NCT AT 0:12 MY ARMYZEN HEART 💚💜
Loved the video
This is a good video, very informative. I'm a K-pop fan (an ARMY to be more specific), but I got to learn more about the history and science behind it all which was nice. :)
i've always been into female artists and groups. always thought boy groups were big because of their looks, but look at me now. bts is the first male artist/group i grew to love! i love how this video noted that bts broke the mold because they really did, even though (for bts at least) a big portion of the fandom is actually not female nor teenagers. however, this is a really interesting view on boy bands!
I'd say the vast majority of BTS fandom is actually female. Even the BTS ARMY Census shows this. But yeah, it is a myth that it is mainly teenagers, most of the BTS fans are adults (70% according to the Census). My personal experiences also match these results, from what I've seen the typical BTS fan is a woman in her mid 20s. I also met many BTS fans who are women in their 30s and older.
Did I come watch this after Harry was purchased in the 2021 P4A? Yes, yes I did.
Don't forget the Bay City Rollers. Many might not see the Beatles as a Boy Band but mid 70's had Roller Mania with the Bay City Rollers out of Scotland as the original style boy band. They hit all marks except that they were not "factory" put together. BCR formed on their own before they got their manager who helped them rise.
Very much agree that the concert experience mirrors the enthusiasm and ethos of a sporting event. I saw BTS with my daughter in May and the closest I've ever felt to that was as a student at UCLA basketball games.
Tbh there’s a difference between what westerners label as a “boyband” and what Koreans made and labeled as “boy groups”. And I think labeling BTS and other kpop groups as “boy bands” only serves to hurt their image in the west and reinforce stereotypes, not to mention giving westerners an excuse to be more racist and hateful towards them.
But...they’re a boyband there’s nothing wrong w that they call themselves a boyband anyway so they’re fine w it
Kim Yoongi nope... they call themselves a boy group. Have been since their debut, as that’s what they’re called in their home country. I haven’t seen it myself, but maybe they’ve called themselves that in a western interview to seem more familiar to the western audience. But they’ve definitely ALWAYS been calling themselves a boygroup from the start.
And again, I know there’s nothing wrong with boybands. It’s just that the western image of what a boyband is only serves to reinforce nonexistent stereotypes when it comes to bts and gives people a reason to hate more/be racist.
@@idontevenknow8646 nope, they've called themselves a boyband and an idol group and a boy group is a synonym for a boyband I'm not reading the rest of that if you don't like boybands then don't stan bts tf being in a boyband isn't a bad thing
Kim Yoongi first of all, I never said I don’t like boybands. I said it only serves to reinforce negative stereotypes in the WEST. They’ve only called themselves a boyband a handful of times and that was when they’ve broken into western media. They’re Korean and Koreans have always called their group artists boygroup/girlgroup. I’ve been a part of the kpop community for the past 7 years or so, before BTS even debuted, and Koreans have never once used the term “boyband” to describe their artists. Again, I’m not saying boybands are bad. I’m saying it gives racists and haters even more of an excuse to not even give BTS a chance and say “LOL just another pop, manufactured boyband” Do you get where I’m coming from? I’m not trying to argue with you here
@@catherinesmith5793 No actually Nick Carter for the backstreet boys hated that they called his group a boy band. The proper term for boy bands are male vocal groups.
Other girls: BTS 😍
Me & my Mom: Boys II Men 😭❤️
I'm you, your mom and other girls👀
While Boys II Men Stan BTS. Shawn stockman was at the BTS concert. I saw him. You can find a video of him covering BTS's serendipity on UA-cam or somewhere with Quincy Jones.