The Bloody Battle of the Hürtgen Forest | The American Meat Grinder
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2022
- We find ourselves in the Hurtgen Forest in mid-September 1944. While Montgomery was launching one of his most ambitious operations in the Netherlands known as Market Garden, the Americans began further south one of the fiercest and bloodiest battles in the world. western front. This battle would be fought for a total of 4 months, and would cause some 50,000 casualties in the US army. This even caused the battle to be known to Americans as the meat grinder. Next in this program we are going to analyze how this battle developed.
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Another brilliant defensive victory by Walter Model and his troops.
What happened to the US in the Hurtgen Forrest was probably the reason that the US left Berlin to the Soviets
Americans are less hungry than the Soviets
Gen. Eisenhower did not allow Gen. Patton to beat the Soviets to Berlin.
Eisenhower was more a political officer than a military one. IMO, that was a big blunder on the allied (US & UK) side.
@@robertonavarro7713 The losses sustained in the Hurtgen Forest were unacceptable for the US military and public alike. An attack on Berlin would of been just as costly, if not more so. The Russians were more willing and able to send their troops into the meat grinder that Berlin turned into.
It had already been decided between the politicians and the Allied military leaders that the Red Army would take Berlin. Stalin had always insisted on that and was becoming increasingly suspicious and paranoid that the Americans and the British wouldn't keep their side of the bargain. He was also unhappy about how the Nazis were trying at the last minute to play the British and Americans off against the Soviets. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I still wonder why the Americans didn't just surround the Forest and let the Air Force carpet-bomb the Nazi tanks and troops stuck in there into oblivion.
I had never heard of this battle until I discovered your channel and Dr. Mark Felton's. You have both increased my knowledge of WWII exponentially in your well researched and presented videos. I thank you very much for this.
I guess the axiom , " Never underestimate your enemy"... and even more so, when they are defending their homeland.
I think the end comments are spot on. Well done. Great video and a very hard fought series of battles.
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I wonder how long the war would have lasted, if all German troops for the battle of the Bulge were used strictly for the defense of the Hurtgen forest.
I thought this was also what "Model" wanted to do initially until Hitler offcourse decided otherwise
Keep fighting a defensive war at this part of the front with all German troops, in an attempt to bleed the Allies out, and stall them al long as possible
This would also give the Germans time to train and deploy even more troops, and enabled them to protect the Ruhr industrial area to keep full production of weapons and ammo going.
But i don't know for sure if this is correct information.
What i know is that every important and able officer like "Model" rejected this idea to go on the offensive.
Better off sending them east
Good thing for the allies the Corporal outranked the general field marshal. Model was a brilliant defensive general.
Poor leadership is infuriating to watch.
Pennsylvania National Guardsmen under George Washington attacked the barracks at Trenton. Pennsylvania Cavalry under General Meade broke up Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg!
The Hurtgen Forrest was a proper meat grinder. Great video, you have a new subscriber
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One of my favourite channels on UA-cam
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Most wonderful introduces of Hurtgen forest battles... Field American commanders underestimate German resistance upon their fathers' land & US Field commanders harvested too many casualties with many slow 🐌 advantages that proven their underestimated was wrong evaluation. Many history records were labeled to difficulties without such details explained in this video shared by excellent, respective & accurate acknowledge( War Academy) channel.. for that too much, thank
The Hurtgen Forest is commonly known as The Black Forest. It is part of The Ardennes but the trees grow closer together and wrap around each other. Also, the same kind of hedgerows like the ones in Normandy had to be conquered here. But this time in snow and sub- freezing conditions! You see tanks climbing through. The Germans made this area part of the Seigfried Line. American and English Bombing raids could not stop Hitler's underground tank production in the Ruhr Basin. Actual breakthrough was made by Pennsylvania National Guardsmen of The 28th Infantry Division! These American Soldiers were basically coal miners and used to cold Pennsylvania winters. Of the 170 Guardsmen who went into the woods, only 20 walked out!
Black Forest? Nonsense. That forest is much farther south.
BRADLEYS SCREW UP; THE BATTLE NEED NOT HAVE BEEN FOUGHT.
By 1944 the German military were using younger soldiers mixed with older more experienced ones the result is the young ones were more eager to fight and have more energy and take more chances the more experienced ones knew how to fight more effectively and in their Land in the dark forest.
Another awesome video
Imho, the Allied forces could have had bypassed the entire forest and went directly where they wanted to go. With all their bombers and artilleries, they then could have had the forest carpet-bombed and let the Wehrmacht starved to death.. but then of course there was this thing called Allied generals’ pride 😅
Good history Channel
55, 000 US casualties. 😁👍
I remind Americans of this disaster whenever they bring up Operation Market Garden
Like the background music very much.
If you enjoy great superiority in tanks and airplanes - what battleground do you choose? open flat terrain with wide roads and high visibility or a web of hills with narrow valleys, steep, narrow tracks and lots of dark woods that cover everything? 🤔
You can see this meat grinder in when trumps fade movie
All the reading,and having the priceless gift of growing up It Eastern N.C.U.S.A. in between Marine Braces Air force Bases,Coast Guard Braces,I got to listen to alot of WW2First hand story's.And One of them was how scary that Hurtgan Forrest was.evan without SS troupers shooting at you.They were young and scared,not getting any sleep will drive anybody crazy
Like on the Rzhev salient..!!!
Man,in Rzhev there were Hundreds of thousands of troops fighting till death in -20 celsious.
A common Eastern Front affair.
A bad place to find your self.
It would have been a cakewalk if the army had a few thousand Audie Murphys.
talk about the war crime bombing of Düren andJülich ,16 November 44
What happened to the forest? The forest is small and thin in the satellite imagery, Did the germans cut it down at the end of the war?
I think a large part of the forest was destroyed due the fearsome batttle that took place.
I think what we see on the sattelite image are the remnants of the forest.
@@opoxious1592 maybe the forest destruction is what allowed the allies to steamroll through in feb 1945?
@@brendonbre8745 No, i think not.
All the troops that were used in the "Battle of the Bulge", should have been used for the defense of Germany.
When those troops were lost (250.000 men, tanks, guns etc), that basically took away the oppertunity to build up a considerable defefense (in my opinion)
Having that said, the war would go on untill May 1945, were the battles between the Allies and Gemany would be ferocious untill the very last day of the war.
inflicting terrible losses on both sides.
@@opoxious1592 maybe the germans thought the german troops stationed in the newly captured territories in the ardennes would be able to mount as good a defence in these newly captured areas of the ardennes as in the area of hurtgruten, since the terrain is very similar, hence any defence of hurtgruten would've been pointless?
@@brendonbre8745 Unfortunally i couldn't give you an answer to that.
One thing i do know was that Model, the German Field Marshall strongly adviced Hitler not to go in the offensive.
But to use all the troops instead for a "In depth" defense.
I also think that the Germans could have been able to fight for much longer if they would have fought a defensive war at that time in this particuair area.
I think that would enable the Germans to inflict such heavy losses to the Americans and other Allies (like they already did in the Hurtgenforest), that in the best scenario the Americans could be (maybe) forced into a stalemate.
That would give Germany a much bigger oppertunity for a cease fire, and negotiations about a surrender on German terms instead of an unconditional surrender dictated by the Allies.
But again, this is just me speculating.
Model the lion 🦁
first
"We fought the wrong enemy"
We did not. Nazism was the enemy. Communism would be the next enemy and it would destroy itself inside out.
Compared to costly battles like Stalingrad, the Somme, Rzhev, Passchendaele, Verdun etc which cost the allies 100s of thousands of casualties, this battle wouldn’t be considered a meat grinder. Yes it was bloody and terrible but doesn’t apply as a meat grinder, compared to the bombing campaign against Britain in 1940/41 where about 150,000 casualties were suffered on the allied side. The real meat grinders were on the Eastern Front where both Axis and Allied losses utterly dwarfed those on the western front.
There are varying scales of meet grinder
@@arym1108 This battle wasn't, not compared to Kiev, Moscow, Smolensk etc.
120,000 men went into the forest, 50,000 men never came out.
Thats a meat grinder
@@PotatoSalad614 compared to battles of the Somme, Passchendaele, verdun, Stalingrad etc this wasn’t a meat grinder.
@@CLARKE176 learn what proportional losses means please besides vast majority of eastern front losses were from genocide, bad weather, starvation, little or no evacuation of wounded from battlefields, or dying in pow camps
I actually heard the nazi Germany soldiers commanders had two walking war machines during this fierce fighting battlefield! Inspired the star wars director George Lucas to use the two walking machines in the empire strikes back movie later. Looked very ironic the same kind of nazi machines the nazi war steel machines! My information for today. Have a great fabulous wonderful day.
What’s up with your upper lip man??? Lol
The video is 9:11minuets long kek
At least you didn’t show your face till the end of it