Well said, he has some really great insights. I used to have a titanium Bacchetta Aero and I have graduated to an HP Velotechnic tadpole, trike, scorpion full suspension.
@Laidback Bike Report I still think there’s a market with 2-wheel e-recumbents. Think about it: What is the most glaring weakness with a two-wheel recumbent? Hills. By adding e bike mid drive motors like the Shimano Steps to Bacchetta 2 wheel bikes, you nullify that issue and add to a Bacchetta bike’s aerodynamics!
Electric assist, gravel or fat style bikes are possibly the next evolution of the two wheeled recumbent. The Honda Cub Was the world's most popular vehicle for good reason.
I like where he says, "the entire cycling industry, not just the recumbent market itself, that too has been in a RECLINE" (instead of decline)... is that a subconscious Freudian slip? LOL. 3:14
Each to his own. I currently ride a recumbent trike. That does the trick for me here in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. Did the two wheeler bit for a number of years. Not near as pleasant as the trike. I am out to enjoy the scenery more than setting a record of some kind. Compare by taking a two wheeler up and down Vail Pass or any area with a lot of rolling hills for example. Which did you enjoy the most? If you are mostly on the flats, then which? Go with what is most enjoyable.
I also see a tremendous need for more inovation. Getting rid of the chain and going to direct hub drive is my biggest beef. Cruzbike is a great step in that direction. Why not get rid of their chain and drive the front wheel directly. There are fine hub drives out there now that would make this possible. Compatible steering with this design could also be worked out. Just imagine the difference this design would make in the cycling industry.
I am going to have to spend more time watching the net. Just now seeing this. So many G4 comments on Mark's talk. Innovation! The "job to be done..." The G4 is the be an all around better bike than any upright for almost anyone. More fun to ride - being one with the bike, faster, comfortable, safer, easy to ride, agile
Performance bikes are fun no doubt. I’ll argue a market niche often overlooked by bike manufacturers is urban riding. That includes features for storage in apartments, compatibility with metro busses, and local shopping. I live in a midsized city which is where I do most of my riding on my V-Rex and ICE Adventure.
Hey Gary! I wonder if in the next few years 2 wheel bents might pick up a bit: I am seeing lots of folks out on there brand new bikes on the cycle tracks. And I get a lot of: "Ohh! That looks comfortable!" over my trike. These folks have never seen a 'bent before. Once they are aware of them, and begin to get the dreaded "Chafe" and bum ache after a ride, a bent looks mighty nice :-). If they see 2 wheel 'bents as well, they tend to cost a bit less, but still have the comfort factor. . . . Just a thought.
@Bryan Hoy -- Mark won't be able to help you with that. He sold Bacchetta a while ago. If you have questions about this or anything Bacchetta contact Dana at Bent Up Cycles. He is the owner of the company.
I may add that the bent marketing is too focused on comparing its products to diamond-frames in comfort, speed, and club rides. It should expand its appeal as the auxiliary auto. Cyclists are already sold on their dream bike and ride. The industry should look beyond the itself and UCI mandates and show up where drivers and pedestrians can see them.
Hello Gary, have you seen this weird recumbent? ua-cam.com/video/nQozRKL3PPs/v-deo.html Funny what YT suggests you after years... And the cedar WAW velomobile... Yes, wood.
Yes the tadpoles are heavier but one can really climb a hill on one and can get started much more easily after stopping on a hill. There are many Catrikes HP’s and Ice trikes that are fast as hell, safe and fun to ride.
@@markfeldman6509 Ok….define fast as hell. Im simply not a fan of heavy and slow. I can get started on any hill with a P38. I guess trikes would be good if you have balance issues.
Well said, he has some really great insights. I used to have a titanium Bacchetta Aero and I have graduated to an HP Velotechnic tadpole, trike, scorpion full suspension.
@Laidback Bike Report I still think there’s a market with 2-wheel e-recumbents. Think about it: What is the most glaring weakness with a two-wheel recumbent? Hills. By adding e bike mid drive motors like the Shimano Steps to Bacchetta 2 wheel bikes, you nullify that issue and add to a Bacchetta bike’s aerodynamics!
There is still a lot of room for recumbent designs to evolve and get better. Better designs will attract a larger market share.
enjoyable, real pro interview from this man.
I see far fewer recumbents these days than I did in the 2000’s. Most I do see are old guys on trikes. I still ride my stratus xp most of the time.
Here in my hometown in Germany I see more and more trikes and sometimes 2-wheelers.
Electric assist, gravel or fat style bikes are possibly the next evolution of the two wheeled recumbent. The Honda Cub Was the world's most popular vehicle for good reason.
I like where he says, "the entire cycling industry, not just the recumbent market itself, that too has been in a RECLINE" (instead of decline)... is that a subconscious Freudian slip? LOL. 3:14
Good catch, Glenn! The fact of the matter is the entire recumbent industry has been in a RECLINE since its inception. This continues to this day😂
@@GarySolomon Yep, I have been in recline ever since I bought my first trike!
Interesting perspective about all these used bikes trading hands. They are competing with themselves. These Bacchettas last forever.
I think the issue is education and giving people the opportunity to ride a two wheel recumbent.
Each to his own. I currently ride a recumbent trike. That does the trick for me here in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. Did the two wheeler bit for a number of years. Not near as pleasant as the trike. I am out to enjoy the scenery more than setting a record of some kind.
Compare by taking a two wheeler up and down Vail Pass or any area with a lot of rolling hills for example. Which did you enjoy the most? If you are mostly on the flats, then which? Go with what is most enjoyable.
Putting belt drive on bent is what I was looking for. How much does it cost? Is it possible to put belt drive on HP trikes?
Bachetta should have a folding and dual 20 for compactness and travel/storage. Also 16 inch for kids
I also see a tremendous need for more inovation. Getting rid of the chain and going to direct hub drive is my biggest beef. Cruzbike is a great step in that direction. Why not get rid of their chain and drive the front wheel directly. There are fine hub drives out there now that would make this possible. Compatible steering with this design could also be worked out. Just imagine the difference this design would make in the cycling industry.
Alyn-You might want to stay tuned to our next show on July 11th. We will show a design very close to your description.
@@GarySolomon i'll do that, by golly.
I am going to have to spend more time watching the net. Just now seeing this. So many G4 comments on Mark's talk. Innovation! The "job to be done..." The G4 is the be an all around better bike than any upright for almost anyone. More fun to ride - being one with the bike, faster, comfortable, safer, easy to ride, agile
... so much more needs to be said...
Performance bikes are fun no doubt. I’ll argue a market niche often overlooked by bike manufacturers is urban riding. That includes features for storage in apartments, compatibility with metro busses, and local shopping. I live in a midsized city which is where I do most of my riding on my V-Rex and ICE Adventure.
The current pronunciation of Bacchetta has changed from buhsheta, to buhketa. Was that done at the time of the sale?
Hi Dan-When Mark owned the company they used the "buhsheta" pronunciation. When Dana Lieberman purchased the firm he decided to use the "buhketa" way.
Also, I think there is a market for a 2 wheeled velomobile like Lightning
Hey Gary! I wonder if in the next few years 2 wheel bents might pick up a bit: I am seeing lots of folks out on there brand new bikes on the cycle tracks. And I get a lot of: "Ohh! That looks comfortable!" over my trike. These folks have never seen a 'bent before. Once they are aware of them, and begin to get the dreaded "Chafe" and bum ache after a ride, a bent looks mighty nice :-). If they see 2 wheel 'bents as well, they tend to cost a bit less, but still have the comfort factor. . . .
Just a thought.
This has been the hope for some while now, Con. Time will tell...
I am still to see a single 2 wheel recumbent in my locale (London). I suspect the high price tag is the main reason.
are the two wheel recumbents really more expensive than the high end racing diamond frame bikes?
@@glenn_r_frank_author It's a different market they are aimed at. Hard to compare based upon that.
I think the urban apartment market is niche that two-wheel bents can go.
Does anyone know how I might be able to get hold of Mark? An email address or anything? I need to ask him about wheels. Thanks
@Bryan Hoy -- Mark won't be able to help you with that. He sold Bacchetta a while ago. If you have questions about this or anything Bacchetta contact Dana at Bent Up Cycles. He is the owner of the company.
I may add that the bent marketing is too focused on comparing its products to diamond-frames in comfort, speed, and club rides. It should expand its appeal as the auxiliary auto. Cyclists are already sold on their dream bike and ride. The industry should look beyond the itself and UCI mandates and show up where drivers and pedestrians can see them.
Fabriquez un Métaphysic à 8,5 kg, et ce sera parfait, in my opinion!
Hello Gary, have you seen this weird recumbent? ua-cam.com/video/nQozRKL3PPs/v-deo.html
Funny what YT suggests you after years...
And the cedar WAW velomobile... Yes, wood.
I dont like trikes. Heavy and slow. Except for velomobiles.
Yes the tadpoles are heavier but one can really climb a hill on one and can get started much more easily after stopping on a hill. There are many Catrikes HP’s and Ice trikes that are fast as hell, safe and fun to ride.
@@markfeldman6509 Ok….define fast as hell. Im simply not a fan of heavy and slow. I can get started on any hill with a P38. I guess trikes would be good if you have balance issues.
I would just skip over trikes and go straight to velomobiles.
Perfect for exercise. You run out of road slower. If I want to go fast I buy a plane ticket.
@@firstlast9292 ok
Will never own a tadpole.