Jayne had several versions of herself. On this show, she was not acting the dumb blonde version of herself. She was more down to earth here. A truly gorgeous woman just being herself. Not pretending to be something else.
When Jayne turns and gives John a big smile, the camera catches her up-close in a perfect profile. Suddenly you realize she has a tremendous overbite. Mary Tyler Moore has this same exact overbite and it is what gives them their beautiful face and smile.
What a show! No wonder this was the tops! Class, style and stars like Jayne Mansfield! Just analyse the way she signs her name - clearly a woman of great style, with an alert brain and high intelligence. This was the first of several appearances on this show.
Jayne Mansfield had Great style, alert brain & high intelligence but were not found at the crash scene where she ki lled herself while driving DUI style!😅
WHEN I CAN'T sleep I watch this great show; In bed with my lap top on my lap. I saw these shows when they were live Sunday night at 10:30 pm. Going to school the next day, I was a bit sleepy but it was worth it.
Same for me. Started watching at least in 1st grade 59-60 always said this and the other game shows helped my vocabulary. To Tell The Truth = affidavit
1956 was the year Dr. Montenier had to sell his business. I wonder if it was already imminent at this point and they had him make an appearance as a mystery guest as a way to thank him for being a great sponsor for 6 years. Montenier was known to be very proud of being the sponsor for the show from the beginning and I'm sure this appearance was a treat for him
It was funny how Daly said "a word from our sponsor" after shaking hands with Montagnier and the scene cut off. He was right there! He could have sponsored himself!
You may notice that Dr Jules is never shown walking. Two years earlier, a car wreck took his wife and his leg. The same article goes on to say that the takeover of his company by Helene Curtis broke his heart, as quoted by Bennett Cerf.
@@bluecamus5162 So that article didn’t bother to mention that Cerf called him a fraud? Of course, Cerf should be able to recognize a fraud since he scammed $42 million fraudulently from wannabe writers thru his “Famous Writers School” scam.
volz man Yup. Not a lot of people know Mariska Hargitay is Jayne Mansfield’s daughter for some reason. Not even ‘Law & Order: SVU’ fans know Mariska is Hollywood royalty. Whenever Mariska talks about her mother, it’s understandably a very sensitive thing for her to talk about.
Yes. I wonder how she felt about the constantly growing lobby industry in Congress? How it is these days. Given her response here, I'd say she'd freak out. And rightfully so.
This show brings memories of watching tv with my parents and grandparents. It was a respectful show, with real ladies, polite gentleman. Hosted by a gracious newsman.
For the record she was not decapitated the hair on the hood was a wig.Medical reports stated they suffered extensive and extreme skull and cranial damage .There were 3 of Jaynes children in the crash also Mica Zolton and Marishka .. Marishka went on to become a huge television star. She has pointed out that she does have a small scar on her forehead from the crash that killed her mother and 2 others.
For the record only 2 of her children were in the car, they were in the backseat and both survived. The 3 adults {including Ms Mansfield} in the front seat were killed. Get your facts straight be fore you post Fake News.
@@dhart8451 It's not considered fake news when a person sincerely posts something that undoubtedly believe to be true. If you did that same thing here, we'd give you the same consideration.
The S.S. United States broke all speed records for transatlantic crossings. She was launched July 3, 1952 and was retired in 1969 because ocean liner operations became unprofitable and fuel costs were enormous for such vessels. It had become cheaper to fly on a jetliner from the U.S. to Europe and faster, too. Interesting to see photos of how that ship was decorated and what the furniture looked like -- very 1950's -- "Mid-Century Modern" rather than Art Deco as some of the previous famous ocean liners had been.
The ship has been laid up since 1969. She has changed owners a number of times over the years. Nothing has ever come out of any redevelopment plans made up. The fact that large parts of the ship is made of aluminium, a novel idea back then and one of the secretes behind her unparalleled speed, has saved her from rusting away completely. She was nearly put up for scrapping in 2015, but in February 2016 it was announced that an American cruise line has the intention to buy the ship and return her to service. A feasibility study is right now being carried out. Preliminary renderings of a suggested redesign show a number of unsightly additions. She will look like any other new cruise ship. I guess it's better than the scrap heap, but it's still a bit sad. The cruising industry is booming. It shouldn't be impossible to restore the ship to her former glory and still make a profit.
Steff2929again -- Too bad they can't put the ship into dry dock with permanent plumbing, sewage and electric connections so it can function as a hotel, restaurants, shops and a place to give guided tours, which is what they did with the Queen Mary in Long Beach. The S.S. United States will never sail again, but preserving it in dry dock as a destination, including a hotel (the staterooms would be ideal for that) would keep it for future generations. Sadly, though, I think all the original furnishings are long gone.
It seems as if the new owners are making an effort. They have apparently acquired hundreds of original artefacts from the Mariner's Museum and private donors. We have to wait and see. Maybe it's just another dead duck.
Steff2929again It would be a mistake to make this great liner into a cruise ship. Cruise ships are a dime a dozen, an ocean liner like the SSUS is something special.
Also of note is you never see Dr. Montenier walking to sit down - but can spot him arranging his cane. He lost his left leg 2 years prior and you only see him sitting on-camera.
I would disagree that she was a poor imitation. Some may think of her as an imitation. I think she was far above Marilyn. I don't know, maybe Marilyn was more popular as Jayne may have intimidated others since she was not truly a dingbat blonde. I would watch Jayne over Marilyn anytime. Just an opinion.
Poor, dear Dr. Mounier. He loved 'What's My Line' and it was its success that ruined him. The show was so popular and advertising costs so huge that he could never sell enough Stopette to pay for it - but wouldn't give it up.
Interestingly, the company who bought him out put the stop to stopette, but kept producing the shampoo, Finesse, which is still in use today. I’m still confused by how advertising for a hit tv show could bankrupt a company. I’m not sure how sponsorship differs from current advertising, but assuming the sponsors paid the entire production cost of the show, I would think that would fall somewhere between $5k-10k per show back then? Did CBS pay for any of it I wonder? Since Remington became co-sponsors and Stopette was every other week, that would mean that Stopette was doing less than $20k per month in sales? Geez, I’d be curious to try it myself from watching the show, and it sounds like the spray bottle was pretty revolutionary. Seems odd, but I guess it’s not always a great idea to have a chemist run the business side, huh.
@@diamondstud322 Where on earth did you get the idea they paid for the show without paying millions of dollars for the tens of millions of viewers the show brought?
@@georgebalsamo1011 Yes indeed! It was a brilliant line - as an ad guy I think it's a shame their advertising people didn't use it. Hal could have used the royalty money as well.
I was a kid in the '50s, when allowed to stay up late on Sunday nights to watch WML, then promptly go to bed at 11:00. I remember "Poof! There goes perspiration," thanks to the sponsor Jules Montenier. My mom disliked Dorothy, accusing her of cheating, probably because Dorothy was so good. But everyone loved Arlene and respected Bennett. It was everyone's favorite show, kids and adults alike.
Your mother was a bad judge of character. Dorothy admitted often that she researched who was in town, but they all did and that is not cheating. Cerf on the other hand committed a $42 million fraud … “famous writer’s school”
Unfortunately the sponsors ARE the program, and their own individual little shows that interfere every five minutes, then last longer than the show one is tuned into see, stink.
Dorothy was taking her mask off prematurely when the sponsor was on and Bennett guessed incorrectly. She caught herself and quickly retied her mask. Funny when John said and now a word from our sponsor and he is sitting right next to him.
I'm fairly surprised Bennett got thrown off the trail, because he'd guessed that it was Dr. Montenier a few other times during blindfolded segments, earlier in the run. (Dr. Montenier was originally from Switzerland, but settled in Chicago.) And now, having had to look this up, I will note that the thing with this ocean liner of Captain Anderson's is that it's part of the Merchant Marine corps, which is apparently (and I'm speaking loosely here) basically a naval version of the reserves, /which/ is why Captain Anderson was also a Commodore. (In addition, he was a WWII hero; he retired in 1964, and died in 1976.)
One of the best episodes and the timing worked perfectly too in that there was no final challenger who won 'by default through lack of time', in John Daly's words. Fred Allen wore glasses in order to hide the bags under his eyes but of course had to take them off in order to be blindfolded, so the camera caught him without his 'cosmetic' glasses. Also, he had a rivalry or stage feud with Jack Benny which explains his comment about Mr Benny holding all the money when Dorothy was waiting to be introduced.
Some of them (the signed blackboards) were for sale on eBay some years back. I can't remember anyone in particular who had signed, but remember they were pricey.
17:31 -- RE: "You see, Arlene?"; Kilgallen had a good sense of how to time a quip, confirmed. Back it up a little to see how. Best belly laugh I have had so far this season. :D
Jayne Mansfield, when What's my Line aired, spoke 6 foreign languages. What if she had answered each question in French, or German, or Italian, or Hungarian, or in Dutch, or even British English (The people of Great Britain don't have he same definitions for each word as here in the United States)?
I never did find her ever speaking language other than English in anything. I've seen her singing in German. But never saw her speak it. She did an interview for a French show, but she did it in English, even though she supposedly spoke French? But that multilingual claim, and her IQ, were never verified.
Many people probably didn't get when genius Fred Allen said the extremely sharp observation they couldn’t have Remington Rand as a co-sponsor with Stopette(Helene Curtis) at least in February with Lincoln and his beard since among their products is an electric razor.
Sam Jefferson I am so sorry to hear this. That was the last thing I expected to hear. I assumed a great granddaughter had it by now. Thank you for the update. :(
Interesting how Mr Daly makes a point of saying that some sponsors tried to interfere with shows but that Stopette never did, when it was reportedly Mr Monteneir who got them to remove Louis Untermeyer from the program five years earlier because of pressure from groups who smeared Untermeyer's name during the Red Scare. As a bit of trivia, if you'll notice you don't actually see Montenier walk on or off, because he'd had his left leg amputated in 1954 as the result of a car accident that killed his wife, Helen.
+TippyNorth - great post, this was the end of stopette's run with wml, according to that long interview with bennett cerf in 1968, he mentions that yes, stopette and monteneir did "interfere" with louis untermeyer's employment during the "red scare", and also he mentioned how monteneir had to sell because he wouldn't give up sole sponsorship of the show, he couldn't afford 140 stations selling his product and had to sell the company. cerf does mention other groups were "hounding" untermeyer and picketing the show because of his political ties to communist groups. (cerf mentions mostly unintentional) one i found ironic was the "catholic war veterans", given the make up of cerf being jewish, while dorothy, arlene, and daly were catholic.
+TippyNorth First, I think the networks were the ones that put the pressure to get rid of Dr. Untermeyer. And it wasn't pressure but simply giving the producers an order. Second, even it was true, if that was the only thing that he made the show do, he really didn't interfere with the show. Read up on how sponsors would dictate everything. Right down to what the host wore.
Bennett's interview, while wonderful, is not a source I would trust for specific production information like who was most responsible for Untermeyer being fired. Bear in mind, as Bennett was Louis's replacement, he wasn't involved in the decision to fire Louis in any way. All he could possibly know about the situation is what he was told after the fact. It's also worth noting that Bennett liked to give colorful interviews, and there are many examples of his stretching the truth of a story for the purpose of being interesting. He was a guy who always spoke before he thought, which led to all manner of interesting moments on WML. My understanding is that the pressure from the public about Untermeyer was simply too great for the network, sponsor, or producers of WML to resist the wave. I've never seen any evidence (other than Bennett's unreliable testimony) that the sponsor was primarily to blame.
+What's My Line? That and Bennett wasn't very charitable to others on the show. He dissed Dorothy ("no one liked her"), who he replaced ("cad"), and others. Fred Allen once called him a "tweet wastebasket" and Henry Morgan agreeing wholeheartedly with that assessment. Unfortunately, I've yet to find a definition of what a tweed wastebasket is. Anyone know?
Jack Decker Not to mention his referring to Hal Block as a "clod". I've never fully understood that "tweed wastebasket" remark supposedly said by Fred Allen. Note that Henry Morgan is the one who quoted Fred as saying it, though, so it's entirely possible that he was remembering wrong, or making it up. It does have the flavor of a Fred Allen quip, except in the sense that Fred wasn't one to go around bad mouthing his colleagues. Sure, he went for the jugular when commenting on network vice presidents and ad agency executives, but as a category of people, not as individuals. I think the essence of the quip is "tweed" in relation to its being the standard issue professorial garb for academics and stuffy-types. "Wastebasket" implies, without really saying it, that Bennett was worthless. It just doesn't seem at all like Fred to have said something so vicious, and if he did, I'm sure it was in private and he would have been appalled to see his remark quoted in Morgan's book.
@@waynej2608 I know someone who met Dolly Parton once. He was looking down trying not to stare at her chest and commented on how small her feet were. She responded with "they have a hard time growing in the shade".
I know that the contestant and J.D. try to be obscure to make it difficult for the panel, but why, for example, if the contestant is a librarian and the panel asks "Do you have anything to do with books?" The contestant and J.D. need to have a conference? The answer is an unqualified "YES".
That is Mariska Hargitay, and she does bear quite a resemblance indeed. Would be interesting to see Mariska on the panel if this show ever got revived.
@@WaltGekkoSure is and she has a small scar on her forehead from being thrown to the floor as she and her brother Zolton were in that horrible car crash.
Totally off the wall, but when Commodore Anderson was on, I kept flashing on Gavin MacLeod as Captain Stubing on "The Love Boat"! Not just his hairline, but also around the eyes, his smile and overall bearing. ^_^
I find it glaringly obvious that the management of some celebrities would make it known to Mr Daly, that he is not to delay their exit under any circumstances. Just say thank you and let them walk off.
Show Sponsor Jules Montenier (1895 -- 1962) sold his business in 1956. In 1954, his leg was amputated after a distressed driver slammed into his car. His 3 year old son was also injured, and his wife (Helen) killed. The other driver (also killed) was driving home to give sad news of his 2 year old son's death from measles.
How times change! It happens that I have never seen Miss Mansfield in anything other than Sirius and intelligent manner. I would also include, as a talented musician, since I saw her perform on classical violin. Hooray for the feminine mind!
Panelist Fred Allen ((1894 -- 1956) died on March 17th, 1956, just one month after this episode aired. He suffered a fatal heart attack, while taking an evening stroll in New York City.
What a pity they lost Dr. Montenier as a sponsor. He was a victim of his own success. WML became such a great and popular show, the big businesses tried to get a piece of the "sponsorship pie". With huge advertising budgets, Dr. Montenier couldn't compete with the likes of Remington-Rand, Helene Curtis, Kellogg's, Mutual of Omaha, etc., and had to bow out.
Not really. Losing Stopette actually expanded the show's reach since the company's ad agency wouldn't buy commercial time in places where Stopette wasn't available. This meant that a full third of the US actually didn't get to see WML until after Helene Curtis bought the company, or at least only got to see Remington-Rand sponsored episodes.
No, Dr. Montenier's JOB or Profession is NOT to be the sponsor of What's My Line. His JOB or Profession was a Cosmetic Chemist. Being a Cosmetic Chemist is/was his Line.
As a matter of fact, I would gather that his being a Cosmetic Chemist was the source of his income, and his being a sponsor was an expenditure to sell his product line. Since the work one does is to bring in money as income and not for the purpose of creating a financial liability by sponsoring a show for advertising purposes, then the "Line" of the good Dr. was to be a Cosmetic Chemist or the owner of a business that manufactures and sells cosmetics and personal care products. His sponsorship of WML was a financial liability for the purpose of enhancing his profit margin through advertising.
They have had several guests with multiple lines. They choose one line as the mystery and answer on that basis. They have even invited some guests back to play with one of their other lines.
The more I watch these, the more I get irritated with Bennett Cerf. During the questioning of the guests, he just tries TOO DAMN HARD to be witty and urbane.
@@TheCometHunter I agree, sometimes he does. Daly, on the other hand excudes these traits, but with him it's effortless, more naturalistic. Thus, more suitable, less forced. Imho.
I'm mildly surprised that they never convinced Bill Paley to come on the show as a MG. Goodson and Todman were on multiple times (at least Goodson was, anyway).
Maybe the ambiguity is why the Church of England rules on whom you may not marry are not titled "prohibited relatives" or something like that. In the Book of Common Prayer is the "Table of Kindred and Affinity" which tells a man that he may not marry, for instance, his wife's son's daughter. Kindred means blood relations and affinity means relations by marriage.
![What's My Line? - Justice William O Douglas; Mary Healy; Peter Lind Hayes [panel] (May 6, 1956)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0u_DgK-TIDA/mqdefault.jpg)
Jayne had several versions of herself. On this show, she was not acting the dumb blonde version of herself. She was more down to earth here. A truly gorgeous woman just being herself. Not pretending to be something else.
When Jayne turns and gives John a big smile, the camera catches her up-close in a perfect profile. Suddenly you realize she has a tremendous overbite. Mary Tyler Moore has this same exact overbite and it is what gives them their beautiful face and smile.
What a show! No wonder this was the tops! Class, style and stars like Jayne Mansfield! Just analyse the way she signs her name - clearly a woman of great style, with an alert brain and high intelligence.
This was the first of several appearances on this show.
Jayne Mansfield had Great style, alert brain & high intelligence but were not found at the crash scene where she ki lled herself while driving DUI style!😅
What a great programme! Jayne was just stunning. Such a beautiful lady with a wonderful personality. RIP dear Jayne.
Jayne died in a horrific accident at an early age😢
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Jane was stacked
Jayne Mansfield was stacked
I would love to bring these people back for 1 righteous dinner party
WHEN I CAN'T sleep I watch this great show; In bed with my lap top on my lap. I saw these shows when they were live Sunday night at 10:30 pm. Going to school the next day, I was a bit sleepy but it was worth it.
It's 3 a.m and I've been watching it on my phone for 3 hours lol
like me! AND guess what...I am living in Iran
Same for me. Started watching at least in 1st grade 59-60 always said this and the other game shows helped my vocabulary. To Tell The Truth = affidavit
You can't probably sleep because you were watching too many of wml?
Wonderful cure for insomnia.
1956 was the year Dr. Montenier had to sell his business. I wonder if it was already imminent at this point and they had him make an appearance as a mystery guest as a way to thank him for being a great sponsor for 6 years. Montenier was known to be very proud of being the sponsor for the show from the beginning and I'm sure this appearance was a treat for him
It was funny how Daly said "a word from our sponsor" after shaking hands with Montagnier and the scene cut off. He was right there! He could have sponsored himself!
You may notice that Dr Jules is never shown walking. Two years earlier, a car wreck took his wife and his leg. The same article goes on to say that the takeover of his company by Helene Curtis broke his heart, as quoted by Bennett Cerf.
@@bluecamus5162 Thanks for clearing this up, I wondered why we didn't see him walk off, and also why he had to let go of the company.
@@bluecamus5162 So that article didn’t bother to mention that Cerf called him a fraud? Of course, Cerf should be able to recognize a fraud since he scammed $42 million fraudulently from wannabe writers thru his “Famous Writers School” scam.
@@tigergreg8 It was said he went broke demanding to be the sole sponsor
OMG Jayne Mansfield is just stunning. One of the most beautiful women ever.
She had such BIG teeth.
Jayne’s daughter Mariska Hargitay is quite the beauty herself.
@@hindsightpov4218 Wow I never knew that was her daughter.
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Yup. Not a lot of people know Mariska Hargitay is Jayne Mansfield’s daughter for some reason. Not even ‘Law & Order: SVU’ fans know Mariska is Hollywood royalty. Whenever Mariska talks about her mother, it’s understandably a very sensitive thing for her to talk about.
@@deejo1823
true, that and other features of hers are very Swedish...
Jayne Mansfield - Hubba hubba. I've always loved her. Sweet, classy and gorgeous. ...and Mariska Hargitay's momma. RIP Jayney.
Interesting comment Arlene made about congress...."If they are making a profit we'd better learn about it right away." How prophetic.
Yes. I wonder how she felt about the constantly growing lobby industry in Congress? How it is these days. Given her response here, I'd say she'd freak out. And rightfully so.
liberty Ann - Boy, isn't that a fact? We need to vote the crooks out. And you know what I mean.
@@alcedo_kf Whoah. Easy there.
$1,600,000,000.00 in a single donation, it's not just congress anymore.
This show brings memories of watching tv with my parents and grandparents. It was a respectful show, with real ladies, polite gentleman. Hosted by a gracious newsman.
people had such class back then...
No. It was just that show.
@@richardr2555 Nope People had better manners and dressed better in the past.
@@marywebb9127 I agree completely!!!! The Holy Bible was still being taught in the public schools in the 1950s.
And this is the first of Jayne Mansfield's four appearances as Mystery Guest on
WHAT'S MY LINE? Too bad they never used her as a panelist.....
That would have been interesting-- would have given us a glimpse into how smart Jayne was supposed to have been!
+jmccracken1963 I think she would have been a great panelist - if she could be herself and not do the pouty sex pot thing all the time.
+1, and a big ''Here! Here!''
I'm sure she would have been a fabulous panelist
to think that many actors could not fake an accent but Jayne could - she was so underrated.
For the record she was not decapitated the hair on the hood was a wig.Medical reports stated they suffered extensive and extreme skull and cranial damage .There were 3 of Jaynes children in the crash also Mica Zolton and Marishka .. Marishka went on to become a huge television star. She has pointed out that she does have a small scar on her forehead from the crash that killed her mother and 2 others.
For the record only 2 of her children were in the car, they were in the backseat and both survived. The 3 adults {including Ms Mansfield} in the front seat were killed. Get your facts straight be fore you post Fake News.
@@dhart8451 It's not considered fake news when a person sincerely posts something that undoubtedly believe to be true. If you did that same thing here, we'd give you the same consideration.
On 18 wheel Trucks the Trailers today the rear lower bar is called the Mansfield’s Bar.
@@dhart8451 3 of her children were in the back. You're welcome.
@@dhart8451 Three children. Please get YOUR facts straight.
Wow! Jayne Mansfield was beautiful… her talented daughter Mariska looks so much like her
Today is June 29th 2020. We lost the fabulous Jayne on this day, 1967. RIP beautiful and talented Jayne. You were a superstar in every way!💟💟💟
Jayne was in a horrific accident died instantly 😢
I just love it when the panel misses the mystery guest. They all smile
On 18 wheel Trucks the Trailers today the rear lower bar is called the Mansfield’s Bar.
Exactly her driver wasn't paying attention and drove the speeding car under the back of trailer, it decapitated her head😢
The S.S. United States broke all speed records for transatlantic crossings. She was launched July 3, 1952 and was retired in 1969 because ocean liner operations became unprofitable and fuel costs were enormous for such vessels. It had become cheaper to fly on a jetliner from the U.S. to Europe and faster, too. Interesting to see photos of how that ship was decorated and what the furniture looked like -- very 1950's -- "Mid-Century Modern" rather than Art Deco as some of the previous famous ocean liners had been.
The ship has been laid up since 1969. She has changed owners a number of times over the years. Nothing has ever come out of any redevelopment plans made up. The fact that large parts of the ship is made of aluminium, a novel idea back then and one of the secretes behind her unparalleled speed, has saved her from rusting away completely. She was nearly put up for scrapping in 2015, but in February 2016 it was announced that an American cruise line has the intention to buy the ship and return her to service. A feasibility study is right now being carried out. Preliminary renderings of a suggested redesign show a number of unsightly additions. She will look like any other new cruise ship. I guess it's better than the scrap heap, but it's still a bit sad. The cruising industry is booming. It shouldn't be impossible to restore the ship to her former glory and still make a profit.
Steff2929again -- Too bad they can't put the ship into dry dock with permanent plumbing, sewage and electric connections so it can function as a hotel, restaurants, shops and a place to give guided tours, which is what they did with the Queen Mary in Long Beach. The S.S. United States will never sail again, but preserving it in dry dock as a destination, including a hotel (the staterooms would be ideal for that) would keep it for future generations. Sadly, though, I think all the original furnishings are long gone.
It seems as if the new owners are making an effort. They have apparently acquired hundreds of original artefacts from the Mariner's Museum and private donors. We have to wait and see. Maybe it's just another dead duck.
There has never been a ship since that has bested any of her records! She was one of a kind.
Steff2929again It would be a mistake to make this great liner into a cruise ship. Cruise ships are a dime a dozen, an ocean liner like the SSUS is something special.
Also of note is you never see Dr. Montenier walking to sit down - but can spot him arranging his cane. He lost his left leg 2 years prior and you only see him sitting on-camera.
Jayne Mansfield was not a stereotypical "Dumb Blonde." She had a high IQ and could play the violin beautifully.
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Quantez western movie
Also a Bryn Mawr graduate who spoke five languages fluently.
I would disagree that she was a poor imitation. Some may think of her as an imitation. I think she was far above Marilyn. I don't know, maybe Marilyn was more popular as Jayne may have intimidated others since she was not truly a dingbat blonde. I would watch Jayne over Marilyn anytime. Just an opinion.
OMG...did I see Dorothy actually checking out Ms. Mansfield's rear end?
@@TheCometHunter Surprised she was not checking out the other famous half.
Poor, dear Dr. Mounier. He loved 'What's My Line' and it was its success that ruined him. The show was so popular and advertising costs so huge that he could never sell enough Stopette to pay for it - but wouldn't give it up.
So, I'm assuming, he got to a point, where he had to, 'stop it', literally.
Wayne J Heyyyyyyy you should be on the panel with that wit. :)
Interestingly, the company who bought him out put the stop to stopette, but kept producing the shampoo, Finesse, which is still in use today.
I’m still confused by how advertising for a hit tv show could bankrupt a company. I’m not sure how sponsorship differs from current advertising, but assuming the sponsors paid the entire production cost of the show, I would think that would fall somewhere between $5k-10k per show back then? Did CBS pay for any of it I wonder?
Since Remington became co-sponsors and Stopette was every other week, that would mean that Stopette was doing less than $20k per month in sales? Geez, I’d be curious to try it myself from watching the show, and it sounds like the spray bottle was pretty revolutionary. Seems odd, but I guess it’s not always a great idea to have a chemist run the business side, huh.
@@diamondstud322 Where on earth did you get the idea they paid for the show without paying millions of dollars for the tens of millions of viewers the show brought?
poetcomic1 What do you mean? Why would the sponsor pay for viewers?
Dr. Montenier, You made a lot of people, rooms and cramped spaces smell better.
He made armpits into charmpits!
@@petemarshall8094 : that's lifting Hal Block's line 🙃
@@georgebalsamo1011 Yes indeed! It was a brilliant line - as an ad guy I think it's a shame their advertising people didn't use it. Hal could have used the royalty money as well.
I was a kid in the '50s, when allowed to stay up late on Sunday nights to watch WML, then promptly go to bed at 11:00. I remember "Poof! There goes perspiration," thanks to the sponsor Jules Montenier.
My mom disliked Dorothy, accusing her of cheating, probably because Dorothy was so good. But everyone loved Arlene and respected Bennett. It was everyone's favorite show, kids and adults alike.
Your mother was a bad judge of character. Dorothy admitted often that she researched who was in town, but they all did and that is not cheating. Cerf on the other hand committed a $42 million fraud … “famous writer’s school”
Dorothy was a investigative reporter for years to come 😊
I love that there was only one sponsor, now we have hundreds and they are so loud and annoying. I know they pay for the programs but geeze!
Unfortunately the sponsors ARE the program, and their own individual little shows that interfere every five minutes, then last longer than the show one is tuned into see, stink.
Dorothy was taking her mask off prematurely when the sponsor was on and Bennett guessed incorrectly. She caught herself and quickly retied her mask. Funny when John said and now a word from our sponsor and he is sitting right next to him.
Jayne Mansfield was so beautiful.
Gorgeous woman 😊
This is a very funny episode!
I thought that too!
Funny how??
This show is an island of sanity in this crazy world we live in today. Jayne Mansfield was very smart and very beautiful. RIP
Arlene gave a whoop whoop when they talked about how great the SS United States was.
Oh, I thought that was flatulence.
How beautiful Jayne Mansfield was then.
We now learned why John is so devoted to his work. Miss Mansfield.
Jon divorced his wife in 1960 and married someone 15 years younger 😮
I'm fairly surprised Bennett got thrown off the trail, because he'd guessed that it was Dr. Montenier a few other times during blindfolded segments, earlier in the run.
(Dr. Montenier was originally from Switzerland, but settled in Chicago.)
And now, having had to look this up, I will note that the thing with this ocean liner of Captain Anderson's is that it's part of the Merchant Marine corps, which is apparently (and I'm speaking loosely here) basically a naval version of the reserves, /which/ is why Captain Anderson was also a Commodore. (In addition, he was a WWII hero; he retired in 1964, and died in 1976.)
One of the best episodes and the timing worked perfectly too in that there was no final challenger who won 'by default through lack of time', in John Daly's words. Fred Allen wore glasses in order to hide the bags under his eyes but of course had to take them off in order to be blindfolded, so the camera caught him without his 'cosmetic' glasses. Also, he had a rivalry or stage feud with Jack Benny which explains his comment about Mr Benny holding all the money when Dorothy was waiting to be introduced.
Sadly, Fred Allen passed away about a month after this show.
@@GingerHey I know, the bags under his eyes showed that he wasn’t very well.
The feud was totally bogus. Next to George Burns, Fred Allen was Jack Benny's best friend.
@@GingerHey St. Patty's Day (March 17, 1956).
Fred and Jack were best of friends the fued was a farce😊
Using the sponsor of the show as a contestant leads me to quote Arlene Francis: "Jolly good!"
Wonder if they ever saved any of those blackboards ?
They'd be worth a fortune.
Remember how famous Tim Russert's board got?
TacomaPaul ok youngster Nov 11, 1945. I am the oldest of 4 kids
Some of them (the signed blackboards) were for sale on eBay some years back. I can't remember anyone in particular who had signed, but remember they were pricey.
A friend found Marisa Pavan's board in a Florida thrift shop.
@@chuckendweiss4849 OK... I was born in 1958. ;-)
17:31 -- RE: "You see, Arlene?"; Kilgallen had a good sense of how to time a quip, confirmed. Back it up a little to see how. Best belly laugh I have had so far this season. :D
This is possibly the most talent loaded guest array ever.
Bob Bach (last guess) was the founder and producer of the popular television show ''What's my line'' in America.
Jayne Mansfield, when What's my Line aired, spoke 6 foreign languages. What if she had answered each question in French, or German, or Italian, or Hungarian, or in Dutch, or even British English (The people of Great Britain don't have he same definitions for each word as here in the United States)?
I never did find her ever speaking language other than English in anything. I've seen her singing in German. But never saw her speak it. She did an interview for a French show, but she did it in English, even though she supposedly spoke French? But that multilingual claim, and her IQ, were never verified.
@@Kaboomboo People love to idealize the dead and fall the for the press around them all the time.
Jayne's accent almost the same as Kim Novak's
"Itty, bitty, witty, John Charles Daly." Oh, the look that John shot Bennett and the other panelists when he walked out at that statement!
He put a lot of effort into that product.
Many people probably didn't get when genius Fred Allen said the extremely sharp observation they couldn’t have Remington Rand as a co-sponsor with Stopette(Helene Curtis) at least in February with Lincoln and his beard since among their products is an electric razor.
Beautiful penmanship.
What a succulent dish. :D
I really admire the class of this era. I wonder what ever became of Arlene Francis' infamous heart necklace.
Sam Jefferson I am so sorry to hear this. That was the last thing I expected to hear. I assumed a great granddaughter had it by now. Thank you for the update. :(
Her necklace was stolen from her neck while exiting a taxi in New York.
Elizabeth Melnychuk
So sad.
@@elizabethmelnychuk6034 her love, her husband replaced it!
It was stolen right off her neck.
Interesting how Mr Daly makes a point of saying that some sponsors tried to interfere with shows but that Stopette never did, when it was reportedly Mr Monteneir who got them to remove Louis Untermeyer from the program five years earlier because of pressure from groups who smeared Untermeyer's name during the Red Scare. As a bit of trivia, if you'll notice you don't actually see Montenier walk on or off, because he'd had his left leg amputated in 1954 as the result of a car accident that killed his wife, Helen.
+TippyNorth - great post, this was the end of stopette's run with wml, according to that long interview with bennett cerf in 1968, he mentions that yes, stopette and monteneir did "interfere" with louis untermeyer's employment during the "red scare", and also he mentioned how monteneir had to sell because he wouldn't give up sole sponsorship of the show, he couldn't afford 140 stations selling his product and had to sell the company. cerf does mention other groups were "hounding" untermeyer and picketing the show because of his political ties to communist groups. (cerf mentions mostly unintentional) one i found ironic was the "catholic war veterans", given the make up of cerf being jewish, while dorothy, arlene, and daly were catholic.
+TippyNorth First, I think the networks were the ones that put the pressure to get rid of Dr. Untermeyer. And it wasn't pressure but simply giving the producers an order. Second, even it was true, if that was the only thing that he made the show do, he really didn't interfere with the show. Read up on how sponsors would dictate everything. Right down to what the host wore.
Bennett's interview, while wonderful, is not a source I would trust for specific production information like who was most responsible for Untermeyer being fired. Bear in mind, as Bennett was Louis's replacement, he wasn't involved in the decision to fire Louis in any way. All he could possibly know about the situation is what he was told after the fact. It's also worth noting that Bennett liked to give colorful interviews, and there are many examples of his stretching the truth of a story for the purpose of being interesting. He was a guy who always spoke before he thought, which led to all manner of interesting moments on WML.
My understanding is that the pressure from the public about Untermeyer was simply too great for the network, sponsor, or producers of WML to resist the wave. I've never seen any evidence (other than Bennett's unreliable testimony) that the sponsor was primarily to blame.
+What's My Line? That and Bennett wasn't very charitable to others on the show. He dissed Dorothy ("no one liked her"), who he replaced ("cad"), and others. Fred Allen once called him a "tweet wastebasket" and Henry Morgan agreeing wholeheartedly with that assessment. Unfortunately, I've yet to find a definition of what a tweed wastebasket is. Anyone know?
Jack Decker Not to mention his referring to Hal Block as a "clod".
I've never fully understood that "tweed wastebasket" remark supposedly said by Fred Allen. Note that Henry Morgan is the one who quoted Fred as saying it, though, so it's entirely possible that he was remembering wrong, or making it up. It does have the flavor of a Fred Allen quip, except in the sense that Fred wasn't one to go around bad mouthing his colleagues. Sure, he went for the jugular when commenting on network vice presidents and ad agency executives, but as a category of people, not as individuals. I think the essence of the quip is "tweed" in relation to its being the standard issue professorial garb for academics and stuffy-types. "Wastebasket" implies, without really saying it, that Bennett was worthless. It just doesn't seem at all like Fred to have said something so vicious, and if he did, I'm sure it was in private and he would have been appalled to see his remark quoted in Morgan's book.
She had a college degree from a Texas University. Anna Nicole was once quoted as saying it takes a lot of work to play a dumb blond.RIP Anna.
I like what Dolly Parton said, in response to 'dumb blonde'. "I'm neither dumb, nor blonde."
@@waynej2608 I believe Dolly also mentioned that "it costs a lot of money to look this trashy--"not sure of the exact quote, but that's the idea.
@@waynej2608 I know someone who met Dolly Parton once. He was looking down trying not to stare at her chest and commented on how small her feet were. She responded with "they have a hard time growing in the shade".
john daly for whatever reason doesn't step in to answer when cerf asks if she is a "succulent dish".
He didn't have too, the audience answered for him.
Because it was an insult and disrespectful.
@@danmuncie4989 People weren't Snowflakes back then.
@@Theyralltakenfu just dumbasses like you!
@@danmuncie4989 Snowflake 😄
She has the most shapely hand writing I've ever seen on a woman. despite Jayne looking like a typical housewife.
Jayne Mansfield was really special! Fred Allen passed away just about a month after this.
Jayne died in 1967... 11 years after this.
@@billb6283 Right, ,I was referring to Fred Allen.
18:28 I've never seen John so excited before lol
I know that the contestant and J.D. try to be obscure to make it difficult for the panel, but why, for example, if the contestant is a librarian and the panel asks "Do you have anything to do with books?" The contestant and J.D. need to have a conference? The answer is an unqualified "YES".
They are trying to through the panel off. It's worked before.
The SVU actress, Markista?? Bears quite a resemblance to her mother, Jayne Mandfield.
That is Mariska Hargitay, and she does bear quite a resemblance indeed. Would be interesting to see Mariska on the panel if this show ever got revived.
@@WaltGekkoSure is and she has a small scar on her forehead from being thrown to the floor as she and her brother Zolton were in that horrible car crash.
Perhaps the reason being it is her mother 😅
The show aired: Feb 12, 1956
Fred Allen died: March 17, 1956
(heart attack at age 61)
Totally off the wall, but when Commodore Anderson was on, I kept flashing on Gavin MacLeod as Captain Stubing on "The Love Boat"! Not just his hairline, but also around the eyes, his smile and overall bearing. ^_^
Mr JM was a handsome fella indeed.
Fred Allen passed away 33 days after this show aired
What a loss Eddie. Fred had great presence & wit.
Very sad demise for Fred. He finally found his niche on TV
Yes, and he passed away one day before the day after he passed away too.
Very clever of Jane and John to define as relative as one of "blood"!!
Bennett locked like his face would crack he was grinning so wide after shaking hands with Jayne.
I love Fred's Allen's: Jack Benny has his hands on all the money!
So great to see a celebrity give a shout out to union crews on national television. We need to get back to that mentality as a country.
I find it glaringly obvious that the management of some celebrities would make it known to Mr Daly, that he is not to delay their exit under any circumstances. Just say thank you and let them walk off.
Actually that's also for all contestants😊
Show Sponsor Jules Montenier (1895 -- 1962) sold his business in 1956. In 1954, his leg was amputated after a distressed driver slammed into his car. His 3 year old son was also injured, and his wife (Helen) killed. The other driver (also killed) was driving home to give sad news of his 2 year old son's death from measles.
How times change! It happens that I have never seen Miss Mansfield in anything other than Sirius and intelligent manner. I would also include, as a talented musician, since I saw her perform on classical violin. Hooray for the feminine mind!
19:18 love the American Spirit and Pride
Panelist Fred Allen ((1894 -- 1956) died on March 17th, 1956, just one month after this episode aired. He suffered a fatal heart attack, while taking an evening stroll in New York City.
The show has had some incredible guests over the years including John Wayne but I feel no one got greater gasps than Jayne Mansfield.
Fred Allen had only a month and 4 days to live from this episode .
33 days Fred😢 dies
RIPink Jayne 🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷💋
The SS United States is currently laid up here in Philadelphia. It would be wonderful to see her in use again.
Unfortunately not going to happen 😢
February 12, 1952, was my 4th birthday. I'm now 63.
+Roger Maxwell You got me by 12 years. Mine is 2/12/64
I was turning 4 on April 28, 1956.
Correction, I was born on February 12, 1952. Don't know why I said It was my 4th birthday.
swishful thinking! :P)
How old are you now?
John Daly , brilliant !
Fred Allen died in March 1956 from a heart attack.
Jayne: Keep smiling, coming back, happy ending.......
Rest in peace, Jayne.
such a beauty, wow
Dorothy's beautiful top of dress today.
Dorothy's laugh at 17:54 makes me so happy
Detective Olivia Benson's mother!
What a pity they lost Dr. Montenier as a sponsor. He was a victim of his own success. WML became such a great and popular show, the big businesses tried to get a piece of the "sponsorship pie". With huge advertising budgets, Dr. Montenier couldn't compete with the likes of Remington-Rand, Helene Curtis, Kellogg's, Mutual of Omaha, etc., and had to bow out.
Not really. Losing Stopette actually expanded the show's reach since the company's ad agency wouldn't buy commercial time in places where Stopette wasn't available. This meant that a full third of the US actually didn't get to see WML until after Helene Curtis bought the company, or at least only got to see Remington-Rand sponsored episodes.
NO, the problem was he couldn't get his products distributed nationwide 😢
WHAT'S MY LINE'S SPONSOR (FOR PAST SIX YEARS)
CAPTAIN OF S.S. UNITED STATES
Wow! Jayne was very hot!
No, Dr. Montenier's JOB or Profession is NOT to be the sponsor of What's My Line. His JOB or Profession was a Cosmetic Chemist. Being a Cosmetic Chemist is/was his Line.
As a matter of fact, I would gather that his being a Cosmetic Chemist was the source of his income, and his being a sponsor was an expenditure to sell his product line. Since the work one does is to bring in money as income and not for the purpose of creating a financial liability by sponsoring a show for advertising purposes, then the "Line" of the good Dr. was to be a Cosmetic Chemist or the owner of a business that manufactures and sells cosmetics and personal care products. His sponsorship of WML was a financial liability for the purpose of enhancing his profit margin through advertising.
They have had several guests with multiple lines. They choose one line as the mystery and answer on that basis. They have even invited some guests back to play with one of their other lines.
R.I.P. Dorothy
He did interfere, in a way, early on. He didn't let the show air in cities that did not sell his products.
Distribution nationwide 😢was his downfall
a succulent dish
Only Cerf being of worldly status could get away with his comment!! 😮
Jayne,Marylin,and Mamie...My first boy girl eye openers.
I got the impression that Jules Montenier was of French origin.
From Switzerland 😊
I almost can't watch this knowing what happened 3 weeks later
Unlike today's plastic / botox sex symbols, Jayne Mansfield was 100% real.
not quite unless you dont count the fact she super peroxied her naturally brunette hair.............
@@orgonkothewildlyuntamed6301Nothing to do with botox😮
Ty
Jayne: a succulant dish? She sure is. Watch The Girl Can't Help It.
The more I watch these, the more I get irritated with Bennett Cerf. During the questioning of the guests, he just tries TOO DAMN HARD to be witty and urbane.
@@TheCometHunter I agree, sometimes he does. Daly, on the other hand excudes these traits, but with him it's effortless, more naturalistic. Thus, more suitable, less forced. Imho.
I'm mildly surprised that they never convinced Bill Paley to come on the show as a MG. Goodson and Todman were on multiple times (at least Goodson was, anyway).
Jayne Mansfield was stacked
Look at Darothy giving her the one over !!!
It's common for women to do that to one another.
21:33 I love how they refer to the "legitimate" stage.
Wow! a French chemist was the original sponsor of the show!
a husband is not a relative?
i am fairly certain if you marry him, you are related by marriage.
if you marry his sister, you are related by marriage.
Yes, this is why the panel all protested as they realized that John had said this. Obviously John just wanted to keep the segment going longer.
Maybe the ambiguity is why the Church of England rules on whom you may not marry are not titled "prohibited relatives" or something like that. In the Book of Common Prayer is the "Table of Kindred and Affinity" which tells a man that he may not marry, for instance, his wife's son's daughter. Kindred means blood relations and affinity means relations by marriage.