Stop! Don't smash the Crescent City! I'm already a subscriber for Pete's sake. Everyone just take a deep breath, relax. Wes, I've commented numerous times before, but thanks for producing these enjoyable, educational, videos about this great subject which, thanks to you, has become a new interest for me. You do such a nice job of making these and to have such intelligent, peaceful, educational, entertainment in a world full of noise and bad behavior is a godsend indeed. Thank you.
That was excellent! My dad liked this kind of thing & was bummed when he found out the John Ericsson was about to be scrapped, along with the likes of Big Muskie, the Huelets
Love your whaleback boats videos , you actually got me interested in them so much I bought several books on them , thanks for all your videos they are all interesting
With all the changes in Technology, new Whalebacks could be built that are more efficient and overall better than the Originals. Also, I made up some Fictional company for a Fictional fleet of Ships that just so happen to be Whalebacks. This company is called the WhaleBack Bulk & Oil Corporation.
So why were the whalebacks all retired? The hull design didn't have efficient storage? A limit on their size due to design? Or just plain uncomfortable for the crew compared to conventional designs?
They were designed for the lakes transport system of the early 1890s yet that decade was a boom time for that same system. The Hulett unloaders of 1898 made the moving of ore far faster than the Brown hoists and everyone wanted them. For the whalebacks their flush hatches and inner cargo holds could not accommodate the Huletts and the sizes of the new oreboats stretched longer that the whaleback design, which was intended for no more than about 400 feet in length, could match. By the end of WWI a single whaleback towing two whaleback or other barges could not compete with the arched hold hatch farm lakers. McDougall's vision from 1888 was brilliant, but never imagined how the size of oreboats would explode within two decades and how the arched hold would allow the width of the modern boats.
Thank you for these video's they are great, but this is my first sight of Whaleback so pleas excuse this question as being dumb,.. were the hauls made of wood? or steel? Hmm.. and I think I missed the part about the design, this allowed high seas to wash over the deck and sort of made it like a submarine? am I getting that right?
Wow very cool to hear the history behind the whale back I'm born and raised in superior wisconsin seen the last one ever a thousand times and never thought much of it. Could you do more history on superior about the planes and stuff we made for the war I know superior wisconsin has some cool history
That's all on my list. I have a tour of the ore docks then and now in the works! Superior is RICH in it's history. In fact, it was the first major tourist attraction in 1855 when the Soo locks first opened. I wrote about it in my new book that will be out next month.
@@authorwes awesome ill have to stick around then sounds like you have some interesting stuff coming in the near future. Thanks for what you do keep up the good work I like your videos
The unloading equipment and the sizes of newer vessels caused that to rapidly be out-classed. The whaleback design could not go very far beyond the 400 foot length.
Wasn't there a Whaleback named the Christopher Columbus? I seem to remember reading that there was big hullabaloo regarding the stability of the Whalebacks in the wake of the Eastland incident. As I recall, they couldn't capsize the Columbus.
Wonderful video. Technically the Meteor is the last remaining Whaleback "above water".
Stop! Don't smash the Crescent City! I'm already a subscriber for Pete's sake. Everyone just take a deep breath, relax. Wes, I've commented numerous times before, but thanks for producing these enjoyable, educational, videos about this great subject which, thanks to you, has become a new interest for me. You do such a nice job of making these and to have such intelligent, peaceful, educational, entertainment in a world full of noise and bad behavior is a godsend indeed. Thank you.
Deal!
This series is fascinating and your Whaleback model look great! Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for watching!
That was excellent! My dad liked this kind of thing & was bummed when he found out the John Ericsson was about to be scrapped, along with the likes of Big Muskie, the Huelets
Bummer indeed
Love your whaleback boats videos , you actually got me interested in them so much I bought several books on them , thanks for all your videos they are all interesting
Glad you like them!
Trying to imagine one of these in 3 meter swells on Lake Erie. Whole bunch of “nopes” from this guy.
I remember the Meteor coming out of the Cdn. Soo lock db during my sailing career. 1964-1970.
I wish I could have seen her
With all the changes in Technology, new Whalebacks could be built that are more efficient and overall better than the Originals.
Also, I made up some Fictional company for a Fictional fleet of Ships that just so happen to be Whalebacks. This company is called the WhaleBack Bulk & Oil Corporation.
The Whalebacks certainly are Unique Vessels to say the least. They are of the Great Lakes Freighters with all Cabins Aft.
Sensing slight hostility in the crescent citys' direction Wes🤣
Yes... but did you subscribe? I'm still holding that hammer.
@@authorwes yes a while ago, you had me with the near collision video
Hi Wes, I have a old video of the WhaleBack That was sent to me by a Engineer who was on there.Its very interesting.
Very cool
The meteor! Thank you! That's what Lill boyz are made of! 😰😘👏💥👍
Thanks Wes!
So why were the whalebacks all retired? The hull design didn't have efficient storage? A limit on their size due to design? Or just plain uncomfortable for the crew compared to conventional designs?
They were designed for the lakes transport system of the early 1890s yet that decade was a boom time for that same system. The Hulett unloaders of 1898 made the moving of ore far faster than the Brown hoists and everyone wanted them. For the whalebacks their flush hatches and inner cargo holds could not accommodate the Huletts and the sizes of the new oreboats stretched longer that the whaleback design, which was intended for no more than about 400 feet in length, could match. By the end of WWI a single whaleback towing two whaleback or other barges could not compete with the arched hold hatch farm lakers. McDougall's vision from 1888 was brilliant, but never imagined how the size of oreboats would explode within two decades and how the arched hold would allow the width of the modern boats.
Nooooo...not the model!
LOL
Thank you for these video's they are great, but this is my first sight of Whaleback so pleas excuse this question as being dumb,.. were the hauls made of wood? or steel? Hmm.. and I think I missed the part about the design, this allowed high seas to wash over the deck and sort of made it like a submarine? am I getting that right?
Steel hulls.
Yeah. They had a lower center of gravity so they were supposed to be better in storms I think
Wow very cool to hear the history behind the whale back I'm born and raised in superior wisconsin seen the last one ever a thousand times and never thought much of it. Could you do more history on superior about the planes and stuff we made for the war I know superior wisconsin has some cool history
That's all on my list. I have a tour of the ore docks then and now in the works! Superior is RICH in it's history. In fact, it was the first major tourist attraction in 1855 when the Soo locks first opened. I wrote about it in my new book that will be out next month.
@@authorwes awesome ill have to stick around then sounds like you have some interesting stuff coming in the near future. Thanks for what you do keep up the good work I like your videos
When I understand correctly, these ships were very successful and versatile. One wonders why there was only such limited number of them.
The unloading equipment and the sizes of newer vessels caused that to rapidly be out-classed. The whaleback design could not go very far beyond the 400 foot length.
Wasn't there a Whaleback named the Christopher Columbus? I seem to remember reading that there was big hullabaloo regarding the stability of the Whalebacks in the wake of the Eastland incident. As I recall, they couldn't capsize the Columbus.
Yes... it's featured in my video about the Christopher Columbus
Riveted iron or welded steel?
Riveted steel
You missed one; in Wolff's history of shipwrecks on Lake Superior, one of Mcdougall's designs circumnavigated the globe.
I focused on the lake vessels
where did the sagamore fit in?
Never mind I forgot she was a barge not a steamer
No worries
…….etc. Let’s see your RC lake boats in action sometime.
I'll get around to it
What about the City of Everett?
She went directly to salt water and lasted about a year. Her whole story is really interesting and I may do it one day.
@@authorwes Pretty sure she lasted nearly 30 years xD
don't do it. I will quit and subscribe again!!! Thanks for the tip on Superior Wisconsin for the tour. David
Deal!
No Christopher Columbus?
The CC has its OWN video
@@authorwes Okay! Thanks!
I sub to save that ship!!!!!
Welcome aboard... I'll stow the hammer.