Jon Pyzel talks through his latest high performance/daily driver surfboard collaboration with John John Florence, the Red Tiger. www.pyzelsurfboards.com/index...
Ok so I have an update. Great job on this board pyzel. I had this board for a month but the waves have been shit so I couldn’t take it out and use it. Finally we got some small surf so I took it out and wanted to share my experience. It was a 3ft day soft burgers everywhere. This thing paddled well. Got into the 3ft slop well and I was able to get down the line decently well considering how gutless it was . I’m impressed. I would say this is a great board. The first popup it felt very natural under my feet. I was able to pump into a nice snap off the top on the softest 3ft wave. So I can only imagine it’s going to go well when the waves pickup a bit. First pyzel ever. I might have to convert over from lost. If anyone has questions let me know. 6’2 stock sim is the size I got. I’m 6ft and 200 pounds. I been surfing 20+ Years. I used Craig Anderson large black stix fins.
Hey Jim, any more updates? Are you riding it in epoxy or Poly? I am in San Diego and the waves can be soft so interested to know if you have been able to keep it going in the smaller weaker stuff.
@@brianfleming1310 ya I took it out a bunch more times. It needs the right fin for sure or else it feels stiff. Had a lot of drive and hold. I like it but I found myself drifting back to my neckbeard 2. Loose and fun and can surf it 3ft to 6 np
I just got the 6-0 , down sized from a 6-10 rainbow ive been riding. Recently got back to surfing and teaching my son to surf. Cant wait to ride it hopefully this weekend in Florida with this cold front.
It’s fall in north county San Diego and this board is really doing it for me. I’ve surfed it in a variety of conditions but had the most fun in waist to OH . Believe it or not it goes great with NVS convertible kraken twin+trailer. I don’t like twin +1 in short boards but this hits different
Got mine a couple weeks ago from surfboard Empire Coolangatta and really happy with it. It's NOT a full groveller and NOT a full HPSB. It fills a nice little slot between. It complements my Ghost Pro (my step up) and Shadow nicely. I often have to surf at high tide due to work commitments, this is my new go to for those fuller sessions. I rode my HS Holy Grail to death but transitioning from the HS to Shadow was annoying. Red tiger to Shadow is still different but I click back into Shadow mode quicker. Disclaimer- I don't "surf" full on grovel, I'll ride a foamy if it's completely weak. I'm based on NSW north coast Aus.
HI BJ, so would you say that the Red Tiger works better than your Shadow on softer weaker days. I have a Shadow and it needs a bit more power to work. Also, what are you riding. How big and what construction>
I was told at surfboard empire the glass job 4 ounce top and bottom not the usual x2 4 ounce on deck the sales guy said he is custom order his to get the x2. 4 ounce. How is your holding up
@@michaelshort5115 from my experience stock boards are usually built a bit light but now I'm at a stage in life where I have a decent paying job I don't mind. I haven't surfed my red tiger a tonne to be honest. Been a bit slack getting out there. I have a 5 board quiver too so no one board gets too much attention.
Surfed the XL version and it was 10-15ft on Surfline here in SoCal.. This board held its ground. I was able to sit deeper and the guys on there 6'6+ boards where surprised when I said I was on a 6'4 lol. Drops where smooth, paddling was cake. Im 5'9-195
Hi Jon. Am following the Tiger models with great interest. There are already rumours circulating that the Red Tiger enables riding out of airs with greater certainty and consistency. It would be interesting to see how Koa goes on one since he is in the process of upgrading his air game at the moment. It would be interesting to put Koa, Nate, and Ivan on a Red Tiger, since they are your team riders and send them out at Rocky point and see what happens.
Hi, I'm thinking of getting a new board, 1-4 or 1-5 feet. Firstly, what size waves would the red tiger surf best? And what board would you recommend for a 1-4 foot, intermediate, everyday board that I could progress on? Great video!
Pyzel what dimensions does John John ride in his red tiger including the volume I usually use him and his board dims as a reference when ordering my customs. (Thank you for always taking the time for me when I'm in the shop your boards are amazing and you truly are a legend)
you can see his dims on a recent video they posted about these boards (not on this channel) they were all around 30.8, i believe. seemed a little much for JJF...is that normal for him?
I have a Pyzalian 2 and it's great, but it's more performance than they let on. The Red Tiger has a flatter mid rocker and a squash tail, so I'd imagine it actually cruises through smaller surf better. I haven't tried the RT, and I'm no pro, but that's my opinion. You might also consider the White Tiger instead if you already have the High Line.
so rad. what a blade. i really like the nose shape and rocker amount, and overall responsive looking shape. i only like boards with a good amount of rocker for steep hollow waves, but obviously that is tricky because there is the possibility of problems on anything else (but obviously pyzel looks to know how to incorporate it while still maintaining speed, thickness, performance and responsiveness on broader waves. i loathe flat boards with low rocker, and i loathe fish, fun, and other 70s shapes. 80s blades, brah. 80s blades :) even if they do perform better on mush days. i prefer to be prepared with rocker because inevitably, im finding waves that are short, fast, hollow, and often closeoutty shorebreaks and i need to have a board that works in that. my ci rook 15 does well at late drops and speed. this red tiger board is so rad looking, and if i had all the money in the world, i would make a quiver of this, a ghost (even though i prefer the look of the nose rocker on the shadow but maybe the ghost has enough for me), and shadows in various sizes or backup sizes. what a quiver that would be. i am currently riding the 6'2 rook 15 on my knees because its too narrow and too thin, and probably too short as well, i probably need 6'6", because i have a physical condition that makes it difficult to pop up. so, its either longer thicker wider for possible stand up riding, or shorter 6'0" ish (i keep saying 6'2 is as small as ill go, but maybe 6'0" for knee riding, shape dependent) (anything shorter would be too hard and slow to paddle and too late of drops. i need to get into the fast running hollow waves as early as i can so im not tail sliding or getting pitched) for knee riding. anyway, why am i writing as if i am a sponsored pro and anything im saying matters :) but maybe this speculative feedback is actually beneficial :) otherwise, my apologies for thinking aloud here in this section. :) rad boards. rad. radness. radiosity. radification. radificationné (radificaysheeyonay). i cant get no radisfaction :) ok. ill stop now :)
Red tiger is easier to surf if your back footed. If you surf cleaner waves go for P2. Red tiger will release better and pivot better and P2 will carve better especially with no hip. Both are easy but red tiger also paddles better for the rocker being lower.
Any updates on how this goes in california? Hopefully SoCal beach break waves? Also super interested in hearing how well this paddles with the wide point slightly back from center
in Australia they are stronger than the Merricks (of course) but generally not as strong as a JS. I’ve had some issues with tail sinkage on the stock boards, even with the carbon reinforcement
CLASSIC TO SEE A GREAT GOLDCOAST SURFBOARD DESIGN REPLICATED AGAIN FOR THE BEST JOHN,,,NEV HYMAN MADE THIS SAME DESIGN FOR MUNGA A GREAT SURFER AND MARGO ,LEGENDS I AUSTRALIA,,,ITS A CLASSIC FLAT BETWEEN THE FEET V IN THE TAIL ,SIMON ANDERSON STYLE THRUSTER,,CLASSIC ,,,that NEV made work for the goldcoast.
Gotta hand it to Pyzel for the most confusing and convoluted board lines... these will become: white tiger pro, red tiger xl, red tiger mini, orange tiger, etc lol
In both heats that John has been eliminated at in the sunset and portugal contest he 1. Broke his board and 2. fell off the wave doing a snap in the critical section. Maybe its a great board for predictable waves in glassy conditions but he needs to go back to the ghost if he wants to win a title this year. Go JJF!
Ok so I have an update. Great job on this board pyzel. I had this board for a month but the waves have been shit so I couldn’t take it out and use it. Finally we got some small surf so I took it out and wanted to share my experience. It was a 3ft day soft burgers everywhere. This thing paddled well. Got into the 3ft slop well and I was able to get down the line decently well considering how gutless it was . I’m impressed. I would say this is a great board. The first popup it felt very natural under my feet. I was able to pump into a nice snap off the top on the softest 3ft wave. So I can only imagine it’s going to go well when the waves pickup a bit.
First pyzel ever. I might have to convert over from lost.
If anyone has questions let me know.
6’2 stock sim is the size I got. I’m 6ft and 200 pounds. I been surfing 20+
Years. I used Craig Anderson large black stix fins.
Hey Jim, any more updates? Are you riding it in epoxy or Poly? I am in San Diego and the waves can be soft so interested to know if you have been able to keep it going in the smaller weaker stuff.
@@brianfleming1310 ya I took it out a bunch more times. It needs the right fin for sure or else it feels stiff. Had a lot of drive and hold.
I like it but I found myself drifting back to my neckbeard 2. Loose and fun and can surf it 3ft to 6 np
@jimsmith1550 liters?
@@chadcarlson8311 I don’t have the board on me anymore let a friend borrow it. I believe mine was 34. I’m 6’ 210 lbs. surfing 20 years.
@@jimsmith1550would the am1 fins work?
I absolutely LOVE the Red Tiger XL ❤😊
I just got the 6-0 , down sized from a 6-10 rainbow ive been riding. Recently got back to surfing and teaching my son to surf. Cant wait to ride it hopefully this weekend in Florida with this cold front.
Dang... that board looks super fun
Looks sick!
It’s fall in north county San Diego and this board is really doing it for me. I’ve surfed it in a variety of conditions but had the most fun in waist to OH . Believe it or not it goes great with NVS convertible kraken twin+trailer. I don’t like twin +1 in short boards but this hits different
Got mine a couple weeks ago from surfboard Empire Coolangatta and really happy with it. It's NOT a full groveller and NOT a full HPSB. It fills a nice little slot between. It complements my Ghost Pro (my step up) and Shadow nicely. I often have to surf at high tide due to work commitments, this is my new go to for those fuller sessions. I rode my HS Holy Grail to death but transitioning from the HS to Shadow was annoying. Red tiger to Shadow is still different but I click back into Shadow mode quicker. Disclaimer- I don't "surf" full on grovel, I'll ride a foamy if it's completely weak. I'm based on NSW north coast Aus.
HI BJ, so would you say that the Red Tiger works better than your Shadow on softer weaker days. I have a Shadow and it needs a bit more power to work. Also, what are you riding. How big and what construction>
@@brianfleming1310 yep that's what the red tiger is for. I am 175cm and hover from 73kg-76kg. I think it's 5'10, just normal poly construction.
I was told at surfboard empire the glass job 4 ounce top and bottom not the usual x2 4 ounce on deck the sales guy said he is custom order his to get the x2. 4 ounce. How is your holding up
@@michaelshort5115 from my experience stock boards are usually built a bit light but now I'm at a stage in life where I have a decent paying job I don't mind. I haven't surfed my red tiger a tonne to be honest. Been a bit slack getting out there. I have a 5 board quiver too so no one board gets too much attention.
Hey mate,
Would you say its a good everyday beachie board 3ft?
The Mad scientist Pyzel does it again can't wait to see pilot John funing it up.
It looks like the perfect board.
I might order one this month...🥰
Surfed the XL version and it was 10-15ft on Surfline here in SoCal.. This board held its ground. I was able to sit deeper and the guys on there 6'6+ boards where surprised when I said I was on a 6'4 lol. Drops where smooth, paddling was cake. Im 5'9-195
Hi Jon. Am following the Tiger models with great interest. There are already rumours circulating that the Red Tiger enables riding out of airs with greater certainty and consistency. It would be interesting to see how Koa goes on one since he is in the process of upgrading his air game at the moment. It would be interesting to put Koa, Nate, and Ivan on a Red Tiger, since they are your team riders and send them out at Rocky point and see what happens.
PHANTOM VS. RED TIGER???? please compare.:) thanks heaps!
What’s the difference to the mini ghost?
Hi, I'm thinking of getting a new board, 1-4 or 1-5 feet. Firstly, what size waves would the red tiger surf best? And what board would you recommend for a 1-4 foot, intermediate, everyday board that I could progress on? Great video!
It’s pretty user friendly , get the xl dims , the extra foam has no negative effects that I can tell. It’s not your average overvolumed shorty.
Why is the thumbnail 144p?
Pyzel what dimensions does John John ride in his red tiger including the volume I usually use him and his board dims as a reference when ordering my customs. (Thank you for always taking the time for me when I'm in the shop your boards are amazing and you truly are a legend)
Hey brother! I always know where I can find you! haha
you can see his dims on a recent video they posted about these boards (not on this channel) they were all around 30.8, i believe. seemed a little much for JJF...is that normal for him?
He has been riding his at 6-0 x 19.13 x 2.50 x 30.50 liter
@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational Thank You, You guys rock!
Hello, thanks for informations about dimensions boards, but I don't understand what is 19.13 for the width. Could you translate me this please?
sweet stick! now for the much needed comparison... red tiger vs. phantom ?
I would also love to see this comparison. I have a phantom now and I love it, but I’m thinking about selling it to get one of these they look awesome
I don't have a phantom but ive fondled a few in the shops and I feel like the phantom is way chunkier than red tiger.
Is this or the pyzalien a better daily driver for average waves? I have a high line currently but am looking to size down a bit more.
I have a Pyzalian 2 and it's great, but it's more performance than they let on. The Red Tiger has a flatter mid rocker and a squash tail, so I'd imagine it actually cruises through smaller surf better. I haven't tried the RT, and I'm no pro, but that's my opinion. You might also consider the White Tiger instead if you already have the High Line.
As Wesley said-- the RT has a flatter overall rocker and outline through the tail which I think you will find a bit better in softer waves than the P2
@@wesleychapman9001 ur the man thx! Just curious what kind of waves do u ride ur pyzalien in?
@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational take my money
@@zzzpaincakeszzz Shoulder high+ clean waves I like the P2 a lot. Otherwise I ride my RNF '96 from Lost surfboards in smaller surf.
Where does the Mini Ghost fit in relative to the Red Tiger?
The Red Tiger is a better board for Low End waves for sure, but more high performance too
so rad. what a blade. i really like the nose shape and rocker amount, and overall responsive looking shape. i only like boards with a good amount of rocker for steep hollow waves, but obviously that is tricky because there is the possibility of problems on anything else (but obviously pyzel looks to know how to incorporate it while still maintaining speed, thickness, performance and responsiveness on broader waves. i loathe flat boards with low rocker, and i loathe fish, fun, and other 70s shapes. 80s blades, brah. 80s blades :) even if they do perform better on mush days. i prefer to be prepared with rocker because inevitably, im finding waves that are short, fast, hollow, and often closeoutty shorebreaks and i need to have a board that works in that. my ci rook 15 does well at late drops and speed. this red tiger board is so rad looking, and if i had all the money in the world, i would make a quiver of this, a ghost (even though i prefer the look of the nose rocker on the shadow but maybe the ghost has enough for me), and shadows in various sizes or backup sizes. what a quiver that would be. i am currently riding the 6'2 rook 15 on my knees because its too narrow and too thin, and probably too short as well, i probably need 6'6", because i have a physical condition that makes it difficult to pop up. so, its either longer thicker wider for possible stand up riding, or shorter 6'0" ish (i keep saying 6'2 is as small as ill go, but maybe 6'0" for knee riding, shape dependent) (anything shorter would be too hard and slow to paddle and too late of drops. i need to get into the fast running hollow waves as early as i can so im not tail sliding or getting pitched) for knee riding. anyway, why am i writing as if i am a sponsored pro and anything im saying matters :) but maybe this speculative feedback is actually beneficial :) otherwise, my apologies for thinking aloud here in this section. :) rad boards. rad. radness. radiosity. radification. radificationné (radificaysheeyonay). i cant get no radisfaction :) ok. ill stop now :)
So.what wave range this board made for please?
anywhere from waist high to overhead
Seems similar outline and rocker to og flyer
Was told at the surf shop the the deck only has x1 4 ounce glass job over the normal x2 4 ounce that sucks
not true
What is the glass job then can you proved link to prove the standard glassing please. Wanting to purchase one.
P2 vs red tiger as a daily driver?
Red tiger is easier to surf if your back footed. If you surf cleaner waves go for P2. Red tiger will release better and pivot better and P2 will carve better especially with no hip. Both are easy but red tiger also paddles better for the rocker being lower.
Will this thing be good in California?
this board was designed with California waves in mind specifically
@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational mine just arrived. Can’t wait to surf it. I will report back. It’s my first pyzel. Feels epic under the arm.
how’s it surf? im looking to get one!
@@dottie3755 has been flat in Cali. I will report back in a couple weeks when we get surf. Feels amazing under hand. Shape looks good.
Any updates on how this goes in california? Hopefully SoCal beach break waves? Also super interested in hearing how well this paddles with the wide point slightly back from center
Are pyzels durable? Never owned one
yuppp
in Australia they are stronger than the Merricks (of course) but generally not as strong as a JS. I’ve had some issues with tail sinkage on the stock boards, even with the carbon reinforcement
My white tiger is holding up very well compared to my js. Very happy!!
CLASSIC TO SEE A GREAT GOLDCOAST SURFBOARD DESIGN REPLICATED AGAIN FOR THE BEST JOHN,,,NEV HYMAN MADE THIS SAME DESIGN FOR MUNGA A GREAT SURFER AND MARGO ,LEGENDS I AUSTRALIA,,,ITS A CLASSIC FLAT BETWEEN THE FEET V IN THE TAIL ,SIMON ANDERSON STYLE THRUSTER,,CLASSIC ,,,that NEV made work for the goldcoast.
The Tiger Balm lineup. Comes mentholated in Red and White strengths. Only asians know where Pyzel gets his inspiration from.
Hi Jon. I think it's about time to breakout the breadstick for Koa. You will sell thousands all over the world. Glenn 😎🤙🇦🇺
Gotta hand it to Pyzel for the most confusing and convoluted board lines... these will become: white tiger pro, red tiger xl, red tiger mini, orange tiger, etc lol
isnt that being really clear on boards, easy to understand when its a family of boards
The new boards john is riding in competition don’t look like they work as good as his old ghost boards.
In both heats that John has been eliminated at in the sunset and portugal contest he 1. Broke his board and 2. fell off the wave doing a snap in the critical section. Maybe its a great board for predictable waves in glassy conditions but he needs to go back to the ghost if he wants to win a title this year. Go JJF!
Lmao watch him surfing slot machine and say that again
i think he was surfing the ghost in portugal
lol he rode his Ghosts in Portugal...
@@indee6190ah, I was thinking that because it was a red board that it was the red tiger. My apologies.