Of course, I posted this video. It proves exactly what I've said since first trying a DCT Wing. That is, it takes a lot more practice to master the DCT and it will never be as precise at low speeds as even a Wing with a manual transmission.
Huge respect for this guys skill level in just a few months riding. Better bike handling than many iron butt, Sturgis 3 times, whatever, riders. I understand the time he spent practicing, the literal sweat he worked up, and the drops that happened. I've done it. Great job "Newb"! 👏🏆
Great control for a rider with not a lot of time on a motorcycle. It just shows it is not the years or miles that matter the most but the dedication and practice to get better.
@@MCrider Hi this man’s a quick learner.Full marks.Can you tell me the logic of falling off ten times to avoid an occasional tip over.Did he damage it every time.? Richard Cottingham
Hi,I’m 81 fully functional and ride a bagger wing . I’ve never practiced u-turns and haven’t spent hours having instructions or watching UA-cam to learn how. I’ve done 220000 miles on 15 different ones without falling over! (Touch wood) Perhaps I should mention all have been six speed.Please don’t feel sorry for me I like my clutch.Richard Cottingham UK
That's me in the blue long sleeve shirt (background and not the focus of the video)! What a great day, fantastic class, and awesome teacher. Thank you, Jerry!
A friend loaned me his DCT Gold Wing for a few months last year and slow speed riding took a lot more practice. It was awesome around town and on the highway. I never dropped it or got really good at the low speed, but I really liked the bike.
Jerry, disagreement is not hate, it's all option that some still don't want to hear. I took a local PD Motor Division course (Chandler, AZ) a few months ago on my '19 DCT Tour. I maimed a few cones the first 20 minutes in the course but was good after that. I never dropped the bike despite some very sharp low speed maneuvers. I tried at the very first to run the course in Rain mode but that was not a good idea, so back to Tour mode. The lack of a clutch resulted in a lot of rear brake and focused throttle control. I have been riding this bike for almost 5 years after about 25 yrs of 3 previous Goldwings. I will not take another course as I took as the learning points are with me constantly and I do do some parking lot slow speed maneuvers about once a month. Point being, just like any bike, especially large bikes, practice and patience is required to be skilled at riding. Thanks for the video.
I have a 20022 Honda African Twin with the DCT. After a year on it I had the Honda foot shift kit installed. Now I have the best of both worlds. Great being able to go from one to the other depending on the circumstance
Anyone who owns a wing, and ends up on an intercity freeway during rush hour, will not be worrying about the strain on the throttle. Been through LA a few times, but the last trip to Long Beach at peak rush hour and about 100 degrees, in crawling stop and start was enough to make my clutch hand almost seize up. No I'm not in favour of lane splitting especially on a bike that is wider than most. No wonder I have changed my mind on the DCT. It's too bad that I will never be able to afford to get one of these before I take the great dirt nap. Been riding wings for 49 years now and the thrill has never gone away.
@@enricohagn You're not going to get a cookie for making your life harder than it needs to be. A GW is a dumb bike to ride in Bangkok. I'd just get a scooter like the other several million people there...or take the metro.
Jerry, yep! I had purchased my 2019 DCT before I saw your video and yeah, I was a little concerned at first. Yes, I had to practice quite a bit for a few months before it finally "clicked" and now I practice a couple of times a week. Once the bike and I got to an agreement on how it was going to respond, we're totally friends now. Love this thing. Thanks for posting this video.
This guy is pretty damn good for only riding a few months. I've been riding an 1800 Goldwing since 2004 and I think I would be nervous riding this course. Good job.
Jerry, not sure if another comment is necessary, but here goes. Like a lot of guys/gals, I grew up on bikes then paused to raise a family (20+years). So when going back to riding I already had some idea of do and don’t, friction zone , rear brake dragging. The best thing was getting YOUR video. Combined with my previous skills, and your slower speed drills, I admit I have improved. As an Indian Scout owner that traded up to a 2022 Honda Goldwing DCT I say that your advice and drills dramatically improved my overall skills. I’m nowhere near perfect or ready to compete in slow speed cone course, but already impressing my Goldwing peers. Considerable differences in clutch friction zone and drag rear brake technique. I have dailed in U turns, and leaving from parked perpendicular to the right of way. The point is people need master 2wheels before getting injured of killed! That’s the whole point of surviving the mean streets. At 140lbs., you can’t THROW around an 880# machine. You must become one with the balance of the geometry the bike has. You are maybe the best instructor on this. I recommend it for anyone I come across. I have already put 22,000 miles since June of 2022, and counting. One last thing, a guy told me in a driver’s meeting at The Amazing Challenge in West Virginia, “Ride in 80% of your skill level on these fantastic roads, leaving 20% for unsuspecting things that can pop up.” I think I enjoyed the challenge more listening to him rather than fall off the mountain! Peace to you and yours! JT on a DCT ✌️
No one is supposed to "throw around" a bike. It has a motor and a front wheel to steer, make the bike do the work. That's the whole point anyway. I exert almost no effort riding my 550 lb adventure bike in the mountains all day.
I took your Arizona class riding my K1600 GTL and it was a challenge pushing an 800lb top heavy bike around those cones, especially later in the day when fatigue set in. Now I ride a DCT Tour and I have practiced slow speed drills on my own, but haven’t taken a police training class yet. I find the Goldwing’s handling effortless compared to the K, even though it’s heavier. The DCT rider showed a lot of skill, and that gives me hope.
I have the Goldwing 2023 dct airbag. I have been riding motorcycles since I was sixteen and was a motor officer for a number of years as well. It's just about practice. The Goldwing can do what ever the big Harley's can do. Not better, just different.
J' I've had mine almost 4 years now and it's really just a learning curve coming from all my Dad's HD's - Great update to validate all us GL1800's DCT'ers
I've done your class in New Port Richey Gerry, and others since, both in Ireland and the UK. FLHRSI was my go-to bike until I tried an Africa Twin DCT. Then I graduated to a GoldWing DCT and I can do everything on the Wing I could do on my FLHRSI. Yes, it's harder, yes you do have to work at it - but it's all doable. The Snowman took me a few goes, especially on the last circle, but I got there eventually and now it's 2nd nature. Its not the bike(s)you have to train so much, it's more your head to have to train...
I love your videos. I watch a lot of them. I've gotten a lot better on my motorcycle. But I've switched from a 500 Vulcan to a 1200 sports. And now I'm on a 2010 heritage soft tail. That's had work done to the motor I was nervous about the high handlebars onThe heritage.but I got the hang of it I wish I could take your class but I think I'm too far from you.I Ride in town a lot and I've done some highway riding.The more you ride , the better you get
Really enjoyed this , I ride a 17 Goldwing not a DCT but whatever you ride you are out there on the streets with all the cars trucks people and weather conditions, road challenges , so anything we can do to improve our ods is worth doing . Thanks for what you do 👍😎
Motorman, I have a 2021 DCT and the name of the game when doing slow speed maneuvering is not to give the bike any throttle. The computer is design for all situations but don’t fight the DCT computer and you will be ok.
Great discussion. It does require more practice. I had to change my philosophy to master low speed maneuvering. The fundamental of the head direction alone is huge. Thanks for bringing that up Jerry and congratulations to your student. At the end of the day, the GW DCT is a great bike. But not for most new riders. Take care and happy riding
Thanks for the video Jerry. Your videos helped a lot. I would watch a few on Fridays before weekend practice to get some tips and inspiration. The class showed me some things I have to work on! (Jerry graciously left out the drop and the failures on the 20mph cone weave!) I'll see you again when it cools off!
Good one Jerry - and to your dedicated student! Not many folks are willing to drop a brand new “Nagel Neu” bike 10x times lol. Great to hear your conversation and sharing notes! Good weekend all!
Traxxion Dynamics makes a tip over protection kit for the 2018+ Goldwing. Protects saddlebags and mirrors from a drop (it's not crash bars) if you've not checked them out. I have a set and it's a great product.
I took the Ride like a Pro course on a Harley Ultra Limited full dresser. It was fun and confidence inspiring. That bike was a top heavy beast. I now own a 2019 DCT Goldwing. Have owned a month now. Its much easier to ride with a passenger. Weight is much better distributed. The DCT is a whole new challenge and that is one reason I like it. It unfortunately has poor factory crash guards. Not great for low speed practice. I absolutely love the bike. Fast, quiet, comfortable, walk mode in forward and reverse for parking. Low speed is still a work in progress but no big deal after a few weeks of regular riding. Another great video. Thanks
Funny thing is this little girl doesn't think her Ultra is ''top heavy''. ua-cam.com/video/XYBwjx8dwoU/v-deo.html or this girl ua-cam.com/video/UmfFyHmRrLw/v-deo.html
So pleased that I just watched this video. I was very seriously considering getting a DCT Wing. I've always had a ton of respect for Jerry ever since I purchased and benefitted by his video's a while back. And this time it will be no different, it's a pass for me. Thanks Jerry.
The DCT is definitely different, especially in slow speeds. However, different does not mean bad. If you get comfy with the difference, it is awesome. Good analogy is pineapple on pizza. 9 out of 10 people say it isn't good. Ask them if they have tried it and 8 of those 9 will say no. You have to give "new things" a fair try before rating them as bad...
“ You have to drop the bike at least 10 times to get to that level.” I have a 2023 Goldwing, here in Canada it was over $30000 and as opposed to Harleys , there is not much out there for crash protection ( I dropped it once practicing and my Highway pegs saved the bike) . I still practice slow speed but I am not nearly as good as I could be but there aint no way I m dropping my $30000 bike 10 times…. I believe I will get better and improve even though I am being more careful and taking less risk. It will just take longer . If I had a free bike I wasn’t afraid to drop I would definitely take my practice to another level. What are your thoughts Motorman ? Love your videos, great advice . thanks for the entertainment🤓🏍
I'm the guy on the DCT in the video. If you only drop the bike to the engine guards you can do it a several times and the parts only cost $50. If you hit the mirror its about $200 total. If you bend the engine guards you can straighten them with a tool from Traxxion Dynamics for $99. Just don't hit the pannier. that's a lot of money. After 10 times i repaired everything like new for $250 not including upgrading the mirrors.
I appreciate it, but nothing natural about dropping a bike. Especially when you try to save it by throttling it out. Makes the drop a lot more interesting. It takes practice.
I don't understand when Kevin mentions cruise control. On local roads, I can ride for hours without any wrist fatigue because I don't stay at one speed (one throttle position) for very long. It's only when I am on an interstate freeway that I use the cruise control, otherwise my wrist gets sore from being in one position for a long time.
being a new rider my wrist would get tired quickly. after a couple of months i was able to ride much longer without cruise control. that gave me better control.
I grew up on two wheels, from mini bikes to mini cycles to a 150cc Vespa Scooter to Enduro dirt bikes to Motocross racing (AMA Expert license in 125cc Motocross), to Flat track racing to competing in Trials events to finally Road Race (AMA Expert/Pro license in 250cc/350cc). I couldn't imagine going to a Gold Wing as your first (or barely second) scooter with so little experience. When asked i always recommend buying a dirt bike as your first scooter (sorry, me and my racing buds always called our bikes scooters). I tip my hat, but regardless of that, my recommendation to start with a dirt bike and learn to go fast there before getting on the street. Regarding his ten get offs, I think in my entire dirt bike enduro, motocross, flat track, road race and superbike street bike riding career over now 50 years that is about my total.
This is spot on, 100% accurate. It is harder, but not impossible. Many DCT owners wish Honda would add a clutch override lever, like a clutch lever you never need but it'll make the clutch disengage when *you* the rider want.
lol, I only ride trike converted Goldwing these days. Too old to pick them heavy machines back up when the fall over. For me no feet on the ground and no need to concern myself with the twisty and cone riding for slow speed operation training. All heavy two wheel motorcycles require practice to learn to ride properly.
Great video, Jerry! Out of curiosity, since part of the DCT Goldwing's difficulty is having no clutch (automatic transmission), do any scooter riders do your class? If so, do they have a similar experience in the class or are they OK since they're not riding something as big as a Goldwing?
Honda Rebel 1100 (Africa Twin engine) has DCT option and it's only 500lbs. With some simple comfort modifications it can be very comfortable cruiser/tourer... And best of all - you can get slightly used one for around $7-8K ... Go beat that.
Kevin - great riding. You say you dropped it about ten times. I don’t see any crash protection except the standard two black pucks on each side. Did you sustain any damage at all to the bike? I’m wondering as I have a new Wing. Thanks. And thanks Jerry - love your videos.
Jerry is correct, of course. if you drop it to the engine guards its only scratches in plastics or 50 in parts. next step is mirror housing at $140. not sure about mirror because i upgraded after scrating them. Panniers you don’t want to know. havent gone that far. Traxxion Dynamics has stick on black rubber protection if you want for about $450. my paint job would not look good with that so i just replace plastic parts.
@@KevinLong-q2l Thanks Kevin. I’ve dropped mine and scraped the plastic pucks, but I shudder to think what a bag lid would cost. I’ve seen the Traxion Dynamics rubber strip, but a bit too pricey for me. Big bikes = big bills! Take care.
A few weeks ago I had to do a fast emergency stop ass I was turning left on a green arrow and and oncoming Beemer decided to run his red light. Pretty near dropped the bike it happened so fast. Missed by about 6” as he sped through. I thought sure there would be scratches, but only the low part of the left lower tip over cover got scraped. Other than that I’ve not dropped the bike. I’ve always wondered without the guards like most Harley’s have what damage I’d deal with.
last year i was looking for a newer bike. I had a 17 Ultra limited. I considered a wing. I couldn't find a dealer in 300 miles that had a standard transmission bike in stock, and i couldn't find a dealer who would actually let you test drive a DCT. in the end i stuck with Harley and upgraded to a 22 Road Glide limited. Honda missed out, i was ready and willing to give then a shot
I have a DCT and it does not allow for the same amount of control for low speed moving as a standard set-up: there is a computer between you and the clutch and its programming cannot know all, that said, it does remove the greatest perceived barrier to a new rider. Aside from the low speed disadvantage, it always selects the correct gear and it can spoil you from its ease of use.
@@grandrapids57 you need to ride it more. I can ride mine like a moped. Revs up, drive against the rear brake, positive inputs to controls. For gymkhana stuff don't use D- stick it in Manual and it'll do what you want all day long
Hoping the protection for the rear of the latest generation comes into production soon. I know the front protection is officered (national cycle?) but my generation "14 and previous has good rear protection.
I’m conflicted about something the rider said in this video. He said he dropped the bike at least ten times. Then he said you have to drop it to learn. I’ve ridden the street for 42 years and never dropped one of my 30 or so bikes, including 4 Goldwings. The conflicting part is that this guy is probably better at slow speed riding on his wing than I am. Am I taking the wrong approach in having the goal of never dropping a bike? Great video, by the way
Are you taking the wrong approach? It depends. If you never push yourself to improve your skills, you will never get any better. But the way to push thru your comfort zone is to do so a little at a time. If you comfortable with a 30ft figure 8, take it down to 28 ft then 26 then 24 ECT. that way, you push thru your comfort zone, but limit the chance of dropping the bike.
i agree with Jerry. there are different approaches. you are doing something right not dropping or wrecking your bike in 42 years. you do you. I am a risk adverse person so i am doing what i can to master the bike at low speed in a short period of time. dropping the bike is not an issue for me. its cost me only $250 after 10 drops. the improvement over that time is worth it to me. i’m not ok dropping my bike at 45mph in corners so i’m taking a different approach. too ChampU course and going to Champ School soon. take care.
I cannot understand the negative reactions to the DCT based on a minor deficiency in parking lot cone maneuvering. I propose that the DCT is vastly superior in emergency braking, completely removing the clutch/shifting aspect of an emergency stop. This is far more important to me than parking lot maneuvers.
I made a similar comment in one of Jerry's other videos and received a negative reaction to it. "YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO EMERGENCY BRAKE !!!!1!!11!11!!!" As you say, in an emergency braking situation, you can go from normal highway speeds to single digit speeds very, very quickly and when the emergency passes, you will be in exactly the correct gear you need to be in to resume your journey, no matter what your current speed is. The brakes on my 2023 DCT work very, very well.
I had a good friend that had a gold wing. I told me the most boring motorcycle he ever had. My experience with a Honda was a Shadow. It most of it's time in the shop it leaked everything. It was the most uncomfortable motorcycle aI ever owned Couldn't ride it a hundred miles without aching in the back legs and shoulders Went back to Harley and was happy again.
Did a test ride on a DCT about 5 years ago. Couldn't wait to get back on my 97 SE. There's a learning curve for sure but it can be done. IF you don't mind dropping a $30K bike several times. Honda sure screwed up the drop/tip over protection. Only real question is how long will the clutches in the DCT hold up in slow speed practice? They wear quickly because the trans is always shifting at those low speeds and I heard Honda doesn't care for replacing them under warranty. Even if I could afford a new one I would stick with the 1500 or 02-17 1800's.
There was some guy that was doing you tube videos on his DCT and apparently burned up the clutch. Honda did replace it under warranty, but when he continued making more videos doing nothing but slow speed maneuvering and burned up the clutch again, that’s when Honda questioned it and he admitted to spending hours and hours making the videos. That’s when Honda said it was abusive riding and decided it wasn’t covered under warranty. Practice is one thing, but in real life riding, it hasn’t been an issue. A friend has an ‘18, he and I do practice at times in a parking lot, and he’s one of these guys who puts a lot of miles on his bikes. He’s got close to 100k on his with no clutch issues.
@@SimonRiley752 Don't like the bike. Too cramped compared to mine and the lack of clutch bothered me. Not saying I couldn't get used to it, saying I don't WANT to get used to it. I don't expect you to adhere to my personal preferences. You have a different point of view? Goody for you.
I personally will never buy a DCT. Part of the fun of riding is shifting gears. Some like them; I do not. It's a personal preference thing, I think. Jerry was right in his assessment. Riding them has it's own set of challenges. At the end of the day, I'll still ride with anyone! Ride safe, ride well, and ride often! Thanks, Jerry!
@@BradinManheim It's not about how fast one person can shift compared to another. That doesn't even come into the equation for me. It's about the fun of shifting. I enjoy the action of shifting my bike. It's not a competition. I don't care how fast or slow anyone can shift their bike.
@@SimonRiley752 I understand. My take on it is that I've been riding and manually shifting now since the late 70s. It has never been tedious or detracting because it's part of the experience. Shifting has never taken my attention off the road and ride either. In any type of job, we learn, we practice, and we become proficient to the point that all motions are second nature. Shifting is just second nature on a motorcycle because it's always been required. Like I mentioned, it's all about preferences. I prefer manual shifting all day long over DCT, but I'll ride with anyone because it's about the RIDE, and not about how we get from gear to gear. Ride safe!!
The DCT does have a manual mode. The big has paddle shifters like some cars do. Also, even in automatic mode, if you want to down shift in order to quickly build up speed so you can pass someone, you can. I've had my Wing for a year now and I don't miss manually shifting. However, I was on vacation recently and I rented a bike with a manual transmission. I can honestly say, neither automatic nor manual transmissions make a difference in my enjoyment of riding.
I have a FJR1300. It also has no clutch. It's the best and the worst feature of the bike. The shifting is instant. But, low speed maneuvers take more faith than a bike with a clutch. I miss the friction zone that the clutch offers. But, on the road, the bike is amazing.
I've ridden an FJR 1300 thru the course. I found if you put that bike in 3rd gear from a stand still, it stays in 3rd and it breezes thru course so easy it was like cheating.
So.... I will have to agree more with the first opinion of the DCT. It is a great bike for touring and cruising on the open highway however this will not consistently make it in tight maneuvers or a rodeo type environment. The person in this video has obviously put in the time and work to get at the level he is at.
Hey Motorman, thanks for the information you share all the time. I enjoy very much and I would love to come down for your class. My big concern or issue is slow speeds maneuvering. I have a Victory Cross Country and I feel My bike moves too fast for these slow speed exercises. I am too afraid of dropping my bike and I get way too tense.
You control the speed with the clutch/throttle and rear brake. Your bike is well protected in a tip over. No damage at all. I suggest you practice the slow race prior to coming to the class. Simply ride straight at a walking pace while in the friction zone with a little pressure on the rear brake. If you can't do that, my class is too advanced for you.
Hey motorman , i dont think you were wrong about being a hard bike to master this type of riding it would be as your not using the principle of the friction zone which i believe would make it extreamly difficult to maintain control , Now i have watched a lot of your videos cant remember if i watched the one people got upset about or not but for this guy to come from riding a 600 to a wing well thats a leap . But what he said was true if you do not practice how will you get better ? if you dont drop your bike how will you learn ? I watch a lot of videos from wing owners in the states and most of there riding is straight roads like on your freeways i would love to see some of these guys attend your classes anyone can ride in a straight line or turn a corner at the lights . I have heard that running the dct wing at low speeds is not recommended as the trans is not designed for it maybe its true i dont know . I am not a fan of the dct wing i believe it takes part of the essence of riding a bike away , i am a fan of the gold wing i believe it is a pinical of engineering excellence but i also watch a lot of harley davidson videos as well there a tough machine you may have seen M.D.B "s videos he takes that bike where no bike has gone before and i dont think a wing would survive ,my hat is off to those two guys as the old saying goes practice makes perfect take care .
I had my reservations about the DCT, but the arthritis in my left hand had gotten to the point where I didn’t want to ride anywhere I might get into heavy traffic with stop and go especially. The trip home from the dealer I got stuck in bad traffic and I instantly knew I made the right decision. It’s let me keep riding. Keep the shiny side up and safe riding!
I don't see many answers to the one question you asked of us? NO, I don't think you were wrong. If the video you're talking about matches what I remember watching, and the few other bits you've mentioned here and there, this video only confirms you were right. Other comments by MCrider, wflentge, and many others seems to me to also agree. Yes, it is very different, and could take a while to get used to, maybe more for those already proficient at low speed with a clutch than for new riders; but I never heard you say it can't be done. Caveat: I never owned anything with DCT (yet). My wife and I tested a DCT Goldwing 2-up after about 3-4 years experience with our first bike (a manual Honda CTX-700). For normal maneuvers I didn't find it hard to get used to, and after about 10-15 minutes we returned to the Dealer and did an easy full circle, nothing hard, probably about 22 ft. It impressed me than the bike would let this untrained guy get around well without the electric crawl in normal spaces and would have the crawl if really trapped. So far, it's the only 2 Wheel vehicle about which she said "If we go touring on a motorcycle, I want something like this." Question, how many have gone through your course 2-up? She doesn't enjoy driving much and almost violently apposes trying to learn MC controls or get her M endorsement.
A new rider with less than 6 months riding, with a huge bike, accomplishing what he has, and it's harder than all the others means everyone on manuals gets it done in 3 months?
I have a 2024 DCT and have noticed that I can't turn it as tightly as my BMW 1250RS; however, the difference really doesn't make much of a difference to me.
You are probably unaware that the vast majority of motorcycle crashes occur at 20 mph or below. If you can't lean, swerve and turn quickly at low speeds, when that car violates your right of way, you are in deep trouble. When that car turns left in front of you, that's not the time to practice leaning, swerving and turning.
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@@kevinlong4133 - I didn't read it, but I saw a UA-cam video of a Goldwing DCT owner who was practicing low speed manuevers like you. IIRC, the bike had ~18k miles on it. The rider burned out his clutch doing low speed manuevers. It was under warranty, so Honda replaced the clutch. He resumed his low speed manuever training and burned out another clutch. Honda considered this abuse and would not replace the clutch a second time.
@@KurtisIsley He was most likely using a lot of rear brake. I also heard, but didn't confirm, you can also burn it up using the walking speed forward and reverse mode if you use it on serious inclines or use it against the brake. I don't use much rear brake at all. idle speed is very low so if you are good with the throttle you don't need the brake unless you are going downhill or just screw up.
Oh sure, I traded in my DCT Goldwing for a Road King, and NOW I’m gonna have to trade the RK in for a Goldwing!!! 😅 Kidding of course, I love my RK. I’m going to trade soon for a new Street Glide, which seems like the perfect combo of GW-like tech with Harley Touring maneuverability.
I wonder what year wing he has. The new front suspension has a panalever type fork. It looks like the angle is steeper than the older traditional front suspension
@@seymoreduless8920 I'd say they are equal. The pre 2018 Wings were very well protected in a tip over. The present generation has little to no protection in a tipover.
@@motorman857 - "The present generation has little to no protection in a tipover." This is easily my biggest complaint about the current generation of Goldwings. In my opinion, the engineers at Honda built the best touring motorcycle they could, but none of them actually ride motorcycles, otherwise, I think they would have included better tip over protection, or at least offered them as add ons.
Thanks for posting this Jerry. I remember the vid where you panned the DCT and as a DCT owner it surprised me then. Its different but not bad once you practice with it.
Bad thing about the DCT Gold Wing is you can burn up the clutches doing the constant slow speed maneuvers...and Honda won't warranty that..its already happened ...Honda calls that rider abuse.
those burning up clutches are probably using a lot of brake. i only use the brake when i am going downhill or otherwise ended up going too fast. i cant imagine idle or very little throttle at slow speeds without a lot of brake will burn up a clutch. not unless you made the mistake of doing rodeos with a DCT.
No. My opinion was, and is, that it takes a lot more practice in proper technique to master a DCT Wing than a manual transmission Wing. The amount of practice this rider put in proves I was correct.
Humans can learn to overcome almost anything with enough practice, but why buy a technology that requires so much finesse to do normal maneuvers? Also, you have to ride faster on a DCT to do these maneuvers than on other more suitable bikes. Notice he keeps pretty good speed through all the maneuvers. Ask him to ride at half his current speed and see what happens.
You “have to” ride faster on a DCT? doubt that. two wheels are two wheels. If you claim i didn’t have enough skill during the video to ride slower, you are right. But I’ll see Jerry again this winter and we’ll test (destroy) your claim😁
@@KevinLong-q2l So, you don’t believe the issue documented on GoldWingDocs about slow speed riding practice rapidly wearing out the DCT clutches? I was commenting on the characteristic of the Honda DCT, not on your riding skill.
i did not think you were knocking my skill. i’m the one that said i didn’t have the skill to do the exercises at a slower pace. I’ll check out the docs but i suspect those having issues are using a lot of rear brake.
I researched the DCT's a lot. Not many problems out there. Guys claim they have well over 100,000 miles with little to no problem. I loved driving stick shifts through my 40's. done shifting.
Just be aware that the DCT isn't very robust when used excessively for slow speed training, and Honda isn't picking up the warranty claims when it breaks (and it does). Ride safe.
I recall seeing a video of a DCT owner who burned out his clutch practicing slow speed manuevers. Honda replaced it the first time. They refused the second he burned it out.
@ They have Gold Wings going through the Eliminator pattern? I have watched "thousands" of videos, and even posted a few of mine where I ride my R1150RTP through the Eliminator. That's a touring bike converted to law enforcement use. So, send me one of those thousands of videos with the Eliminator and a Gold Wing then?
Probably because people equate your statement as the hardest as being impossible. It is definitely not impossible, and very learnable. Maybe instead of describing something as being hard, instead say these bikes will take more work to finesse.
have you ever been rearended by an inexperienced newbie gold wing rider ? i have . like getting hit with a 1000lb sledgehammer. i thought a truck had run over me
Big respect for Jerry here. He didn't have to post this video, but did.
Of course, I posted this video. It proves exactly what I've said since first trying a DCT Wing. That is, it takes a lot more practice to master the DCT and it will never be as precise at low speeds as even a Wing with a manual transmission.
Good for him. Glad he pointed out that he dropped the bike 10 times because you rarely hear that aspect of it, and that is what it takes.
Over 10 times. Could have been 15 or 20! Sounds expensive.
Huge respect for this guys skill level in just a few months riding. Better bike handling than many iron butt, Sturgis 3 times, whatever, riders. I understand the time he spent practicing, the literal sweat he worked up, and the drops that happened. I've done it. Great job "Newb"! 👏🏆
Great control for a rider with not a lot of time on a motorcycle.
It just shows it is not the years or miles that matter the most but the dedication and practice to get better.
Thank Kevin! I'm a big fan. You always give great advice. I've learned a lot watching your videos.
@@MCrider Hi this man’s a quick learner.Full marks.Can you tell me the logic of falling off ten times to avoid an occasional tip over.Did he damage it every time.? Richard Cottingham
Hi,I’m 81 fully functional and ride a bagger wing . I’ve never practiced u-turns and haven’t spent hours having instructions or watching UA-cam to learn how. I’ve done 220000 miles on 15 different ones without falling over! (Touch wood) Perhaps I should mention all have been six speed.Please don’t feel sorry for me I like my clutch.Richard Cottingham UK
Man, that DCT gent has done quite well in a short time.
That magic combination of diligence, perseverance, having available parking lots & a lack of motorcycle thieves.
@@Skiamakhos a ture luxury for a lot of us
That's me in the blue long sleeve shirt (background and not the focus of the video)! What a great day, fantastic class, and awesome teacher. Thank you, Jerry!
Since you were over the legal height limit for a Sportster, I couldn't show too much of you in the video.🤣🤣
@@motorman857hey Jerry...don't be hating on tall people...😅
A friend loaned me his DCT Gold Wing for a few months last year and slow speed riding took a lot more practice. It was awesome around town and on the highway. I never dropped it or got really good at the low speed, but I really liked the bike.
Because of the missing clutch, using the rear break in DCT bikes adds brilliant control at slow speeds.
Jerry, disagreement is not hate, it's all option that some still don't want to hear. I took a local PD Motor Division course (Chandler, AZ) a few months ago on my '19 DCT Tour. I maimed a few cones the first 20 minutes in the course but was good after that. I never dropped the bike despite some very sharp low speed maneuvers. I tried at the very first to run the course in Rain mode but that was not a good idea, so back to Tour mode. The lack of a clutch resulted in a lot of rear brake and focused throttle control. I have been riding this bike for almost 5 years after about 25 yrs of 3 previous Goldwings. I will not take another course as I took as the learning points are with me constantly and I do do some parking lot slow speed maneuvers about once a month. Point being, just like any bike, especially large bikes, practice and patience is required to be skilled at riding. Thanks for the video.
Wow, this gentleman really control his Motorcycle like a old pro!
I have a 20022 Honda African Twin with the DCT. After a year on it I had the Honda foot shift kit installed. Now I have the best of both worlds. Great being able to go from one to the other depending on the circumstance
Anyone who owns a wing, and ends up on an intercity freeway during rush hour, will not be worrying about the strain on the throttle. Been through LA a few times, but the last trip to Long Beach at peak rush hour and about 100 degrees, in crawling stop and start was enough to make my clutch hand almost seize up. No I'm not in favour of lane splitting especially on a bike that is wider than most. No wonder I have changed my mind on the DCT. It's too bad that I will never be able to afford to get one of these before I take the great dirt nap. Been riding wings for 49 years now and the thrill has never gone away.
If she's too hard, we're too weak 😂
Come to Bangkok for training your left wrist 😂
@@enricohagn You're not going to get a cookie for making your life harder than it needs to be. A GW is a dumb bike to ride in Bangkok. I'd just get a scooter like the other several million people there...or take the metro.
@aluisious you won't get a cookie either for staying put in BKK, or going for rides in the Northern mountains on your scooter.
Jerry, yep! I had purchased my 2019 DCT before I saw your video and yeah, I was a little concerned at first. Yes, I had to practice quite a bit for a few months before it finally "clicked" and now I practice a couple of times a week. Once the bike and I got to an agreement on how it was going to respond, we're totally friends now. Love this thing. Thanks for posting this video.
This guy is pretty damn good for only riding a few months. I've been riding an 1800 Goldwing since 2004 and I think I would be nervous riding this course. Good job.
I just watched a guy do absolutely well with a skills course.
I love my goldwing DCT. I had an Africa twin dct and that was also an amazing bike! Licensed rider since 1976 :)
Jerry, not sure if another comment is necessary, but here goes. Like a lot of guys/gals, I grew up on bikes then paused to raise a family (20+years). So when going back to riding I already had some idea of do and don’t, friction zone , rear brake dragging. The best thing was getting YOUR video. Combined with my previous skills, and your slower speed drills, I admit I have improved. As an Indian Scout owner that traded up to a 2022 Honda Goldwing DCT I say that your advice and drills dramatically improved my overall skills. I’m nowhere near perfect or ready to compete in slow speed cone course, but already impressing my Goldwing peers. Considerable differences in clutch friction zone and drag rear brake technique. I have dailed in U turns, and leaving from parked perpendicular to the right of way. The point is people need master 2wheels before getting injured of killed! That’s the whole point of surviving the mean streets. At 140lbs., you can’t THROW around an 880# machine. You must become one with the balance of the geometry the bike has. You are maybe the best instructor on this. I recommend it for anyone I come across. I have already put 22,000 miles since June of 2022, and counting. One last thing, a guy told me in a driver’s meeting at The Amazing Challenge in West Virginia, “Ride in 80% of your skill level on these fantastic roads, leaving 20% for unsuspecting things that can pop up.” I think I enjoyed the challenge more listening to him rather than fall off the mountain! Peace to you and yours! JT on a DCT ✌️
No one is supposed to "throw around" a bike. It has a motor and a front wheel to steer, make the bike do the work. That's the whole point anyway. I exert almost no effort riding my 550 lb adventure bike in the mountains all day.
I took your Arizona class riding my K1600 GTL and it was a challenge pushing an 800lb top heavy bike around those cones, especially later in the day when fatigue set in. Now I ride a DCT Tour and I have practiced slow speed drills on my own, but haven’t taken a police training class yet. I find the Goldwing’s handling effortless compared to the K, even though it’s heavier. The DCT rider showed a lot of skill, and that gives me hope.
I have the Goldwing 2023 dct airbag. I have been riding motorcycles since I was sixteen and was a motor officer for a number of years as well.
It's just about practice. The Goldwing can do what ever the big Harley's can do. Not better, just different.
You should explain more about the differences, dalerice7000.
J' I've had mine almost 4 years now and it's really just a learning curve coming from all my Dad's HD's - Great update to validate all us GL1800's DCT'ers
I've done your class in New Port Richey Gerry, and others since, both in Ireland and the UK. FLHRSI was my go-to bike until I tried an Africa Twin DCT. Then I graduated to a GoldWing DCT and I can do everything on the Wing I could do on my FLHRSI. Yes, it's harder, yes you do have to work at it - but it's all doable. The Snowman took me a few goes, especially on the last circle, but I got there eventually and now it's 2nd nature. Its not the bike(s)you have to train so much, it's more your head to have to train...
I love your videos. I watch a lot of them. I've gotten a lot better on my motorcycle. But I've switched from a 500 Vulcan to a 1200 sports. And now I'm on a 2010 heritage soft tail. That's had work done to the motor I was nervous about the high handlebars onThe heritage.but I got the hang of it I wish I could take your class but I think I'm too far from you.I Ride in town a lot and I've done some highway riding.The more you ride , the better you get
Really enjoyed this , I ride a 17 Goldwing not a DCT but whatever you ride you are out there on the streets with all the cars trucks people and weather conditions, road challenges , so anything we can do to improve our ods is worth doing . Thanks for what you do 👍😎
Motorman, I have a 2021 DCT and the name of the game when doing slow speed maneuvering is not to give the bike any throttle. The computer is design for all situations but don’t fight the DCT computer and you will be ok.
Great discussion. It does require more practice. I had to change my philosophy to master low speed maneuvering. The fundamental of the head direction alone is huge. Thanks for bringing that up Jerry and congratulations to your student. At the end of the day, the GW DCT is a great bike. But not for most new riders. Take care and happy riding
And there's the owner and Jerry moving it around with the ease of a child's toy! Just practice 😊
Thanks for the video Jerry. Your videos helped a lot. I would watch a few on Fridays before weekend practice to get some tips and inspiration. The class showed me some things I have to work on! (Jerry graciously left out the drop and the failures on the 20mph cone weave!) I'll see you again when it cools off!
Good one Jerry - and to your dedicated student! Not many folks are willing to drop a brand new “Nagel Neu” bike 10x times lol.
Great to hear your conversation and sharing notes!
Good weekend all!
Traxxion Dynamics makes a tip over protection kit for the 2018+ Goldwing. Protects saddlebags and mirrors from a drop (it's not crash bars) if you've not checked them out. I have a set and it's a great product.
I took the Ride like a Pro course on a Harley Ultra Limited full dresser. It was fun and confidence inspiring. That bike was a top heavy beast. I now own a 2019 DCT Goldwing. Have owned a month now. Its much easier to ride with a passenger. Weight is much better distributed. The DCT is a whole new challenge and that is one reason I like it. It unfortunately has poor factory crash guards. Not great for low speed practice. I absolutely love the bike. Fast, quiet, comfortable, walk mode in forward and reverse for parking. Low speed is still a work in progress but no big deal after a few weeks of regular riding. Another great video. Thanks
Funny thing is this little girl doesn't think her Ultra is ''top heavy''. ua-cam.com/video/XYBwjx8dwoU/v-deo.html or this girl ua-cam.com/video/UmfFyHmRrLw/v-deo.html
Just traded my manual for the dct. EXCELLENT Video Jerry.
I had a 2018 DCT Goldwing and I loved it! But despite a lot of practice, I was never able to get that good with DCT turning
So pleased that I just watched this video. I was very seriously considering getting a DCT Wing. I've always had a ton of respect for Jerry ever since I purchased and benefitted by his video's a while back. And this time it will be no different, it's a pass for me. Thanks Jerry.
Guy with the DCT bike did great. And I'm glad you posted the video.
Awesome that he got the DCR Goldwing around your course ok. He's an excellent rider. Yes agree you need heaps of practice. Go the Gold wings.
I'm amazed the he went from a couple hundred miles on a Honda Shadow to a Wing!! Practice makes perfect!!!
The DCT is definitely different, especially in slow speeds. However, different does not mean bad. If you get comfy with the difference, it is awesome. Good analogy is pineapple on pizza. 9 out of 10 people say it isn't good. Ask them if they have tried it and 8 of those 9 will say no. You have to give "new things" a fair try before rating them as bad...
“ You have to drop the bike at least 10 times to get to that level.” I have a 2023 Goldwing, here in Canada it was over $30000 and as opposed to Harleys , there is not much out there for crash protection ( I dropped it once practicing and my Highway pegs saved the bike) . I still practice slow speed but I am not nearly as good as I could be but there aint no way I m dropping my $30000 bike 10 times…. I believe I will get better and improve even though I am being more careful and taking less risk. It will just take longer . If I had a free bike I wasn’t afraid to drop I would definitely take my practice to another level.
What are your thoughts Motorman ?
Love your videos, great advice .
thanks for the entertainment🤓🏍
I'm the guy on the DCT in the video. If you only drop the bike to the engine guards you can do it a several times and the parts only cost $50. If you hit the mirror its about $200 total. If you bend the engine guards you can straighten them with a tool from Traxxion Dynamics for $99. Just don't hit the pannier. that's a lot of money. After 10 times i repaired everything like new for $250 not including upgrading the mirrors.
Any tips as to how to avoid hitting the side cases when dropping it? Do the rear factory crash guards help?@@kevinlong4133
Not a goldwing fan but it looks good and your a natural at riding this bike .
I appreciate it, but nothing natural about dropping a bike. Especially when you try to save it by throttling it out. Makes the drop a lot more interesting. It takes practice.
Nice job mastering the DCT!
Awesome job on the gold wing very nice thanks for sharing
I don't understand when Kevin mentions cruise control. On local roads, I can ride for hours without any wrist fatigue because I don't stay at one speed (one throttle position) for very long. It's only when I am on an interstate freeway that I use the cruise control, otherwise my wrist gets sore from being in one position for a long time.
being a new rider my wrist would get tired quickly. after a couple of months i was able to ride much longer without cruise control. that gave me better control.
@@KevinLong-q2l - ahh.... now I understand. Ride safe, brother!!
I'll take a clutch any time. A motorcycle requires complete attention/ participation in its operation. Unlike a cage.
I grew up on two wheels, from mini bikes to mini cycles to a 150cc Vespa Scooter to Enduro dirt bikes to Motocross racing (AMA Expert license in 125cc Motocross), to Flat track racing to competing in Trials events to finally Road Race (AMA Expert/Pro license in 250cc/350cc). I couldn't imagine going to a Gold Wing as your first (or barely second) scooter with so little experience. When asked i always recommend buying a dirt bike as your first scooter (sorry, me and my racing buds always called our bikes scooters). I tip my hat, but regardless of that, my recommendation to start with a dirt bike and learn to go fast there before getting on the street. Regarding his ten get offs, I think in my entire dirt bike enduro, motocross, flat track, road race and superbike street bike riding career over now 50 years that is about my total.
This is spot on, 100% accurate. It is harder, but not impossible. Many DCT owners wish Honda would add a clutch override lever, like a clutch lever you never need but it'll make the clutch disengage when *you* the rider want.
@@1zanglang not an option on Africa Twin yet, and tbh I *like* DCT for most things.
lol, I only ride trike converted Goldwing these days. Too old to pick them heavy machines back up when the fall over. For me no feet on the ground and no need to concern myself with the twisty and cone riding for slow speed operation training. All heavy two wheel motorcycles require practice to learn to ride properly.
Great video, Jerry! Out of curiosity, since part of the DCT Goldwing's difficulty is having no clutch (automatic transmission), do any scooter riders do your class? If so, do they have a similar experience in the class or are they OK since they're not riding something as big as a Goldwing?
I got this bike. It is silky smooth. I have to ride up curvy mountains in italy. It does the job if I take my time.
He looked very good.. nice
Wow...he seems to have a lot of riding talent for a guy who hasn't been riding that long.
Honda Rebel 1100 (Africa Twin engine) has DCT option and it's only 500lbs. With some simple comfort modifications it can be very comfortable cruiser/tourer... And best of all - you can get slightly used one for around $7-8K ... Go beat that.
Great video for those of us with large bikes ( K1600 here)
Kevin - great riding. You say you dropped it about ten times. I don’t see any crash protection except the standard two black pucks on each side. Did you sustain any damage at all to the bike? I’m wondering as I have a new Wing. Thanks. And thanks Jerry - love your videos.
The damage occurs when the Wing turtles. Kevin is a big enough guy to catch it before it turtles, most of the time...
@@motorman857 I see. Thanks Jerry.
Jerry is correct, of course. if you drop it to the engine guards its only scratches in plastics or 50 in parts. next step is mirror housing at $140. not sure about mirror because i upgraded after scrating them. Panniers you don’t want to know. havent gone that far.
Traxxion Dynamics has stick on black rubber protection if you want for about $450. my paint job would not look good with that so i just replace plastic parts.
@@KevinLong-q2l Thanks Kevin. I’ve dropped mine and scraped the plastic pucks, but I shudder to think what a bag lid would cost. I’ve seen the Traxion Dynamics rubber strip, but a bit too pricey for me. Big bikes = big bills! Take care.
A few weeks ago I had to do a fast emergency stop ass I was turning left on a green arrow and and oncoming Beemer decided to run his red light. Pretty near dropped the bike it happened so fast. Missed by about 6” as he sped through. I thought sure there would be scratches, but only the low part of the left lower tip over cover got scraped. Other than that I’ve not dropped the bike. I’ve always wondered without the guards like most Harley’s have what damage I’d deal with.
Dct is great. Tight turn is OK but you don't want to scrape the sides like this harley people do😊
last year i was looking for a newer bike. I had a 17 Ultra limited. I considered a wing. I couldn't find a dealer in 300 miles that had a standard transmission bike in stock, and i couldn't find a dealer who would actually let you test drive a DCT. in the end i stuck with Harley and upgraded to a 22 Road Glide limited. Honda missed out, i was ready and willing to give then a shot
I heard that doing too much low speed riding on a GL dct will burn out the clutch prematurely.
The new wing looks like a nice little bike.
Like a maxi scooter with a CVT. Centrifugal clutch is modulated by engine RPM's and using rear brake. 2007 Honda Helix with 64 in. wheelbase.
Anything with a Goldwing in it is Gooood
I have a DCT and it does not allow for the same amount of control for low speed moving as a standard set-up: there is a computer between you and the clutch and its programming cannot know all, that said, it does remove the greatest perceived barrier to a new rider. Aside from the low speed disadvantage, it always selects the correct gear and it can spoil you from its ease of use.
@@grandrapids57 you need to ride it more. I can ride mine like a moped. Revs up, drive against the rear brake, positive inputs to controls. For gymkhana stuff don't use D- stick it in Manual and it'll do what you want all day long
Hoping the protection for the rear of the latest generation comes into production soon. I know the front protection is officered (national cycle?) but my generation "14 and previous has good rear protection.
Great job
I’m conflicted about something the rider said in this video. He said he dropped the bike at least ten times. Then he said you have to drop it to learn. I’ve ridden the street for 42 years and never dropped one of my 30 or so bikes, including 4 Goldwings. The conflicting part is that this guy is probably better at slow speed riding on his wing than I am. Am I taking the wrong approach in having the goal of never dropping a bike?
Great video, by the way
Are you taking the wrong approach? It depends. If you never push yourself to improve your skills, you will never get any better. But the way to push thru your comfort zone is to do so a little at a time. If you comfortable with a 30ft figure 8, take it down to 28 ft then 26 then 24 ECT. that way, you push thru your comfort zone, but limit the chance of dropping the bike.
i agree with Jerry. there are different approaches. you are doing something right not dropping or wrecking your bike in 42 years. you do you.
I am a risk adverse person so i am doing what i can to master the bike at low speed in a short period of time. dropping the bike is not an issue for me. its cost me only $250 after 10 drops. the improvement over that time is worth it to me.
i’m not ok dropping my bike at 45mph in corners so i’m taking a different approach. too ChampU course and going to Champ School soon.
take care.
I cannot understand the negative reactions to the DCT based on a minor deficiency in parking lot cone maneuvering. I propose that the DCT is vastly superior in emergency braking, completely removing the clutch/shifting aspect of an emergency stop. This is far more important to me than parking lot maneuvers.
The DCT stops very very fast. you really have to brace yourself and its very hard to engage the ABS.
I made a similar comment in one of Jerry's other videos and received a negative reaction to it. "YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO EMERGENCY BRAKE !!!!1!!11!11!!!"
As you say, in an emergency braking situation, you can go from normal highway speeds to single digit speeds very, very quickly and when the emergency passes, you will be in exactly the correct gear you need to be in to resume your journey, no matter what your current speed is. The brakes on my 2023 DCT work very, very well.
I had a good friend that had a gold wing. I told me the most boring motorcycle he ever had. My experience with a Honda was a Shadow. It most of it's time in the shop it leaked everything. It was the most uncomfortable motorcycle aI ever owned
Couldn't ride it a hundred miles without aching in the back legs and shoulders
Went back to Harley and was happy again.
Cool story, bro. Go buy another black t-shirt.
So, you didn't like the Shadow... And you love your Harley...therefore DCT is bad. Gotcha!
@@DalsDad😂
So you weren't experiencing enough to take a test ride and know a bike was not for you but bought it anyway.... Gotcha 😂
Did a test ride on a DCT about 5 years ago. Couldn't wait to get back on my 97 SE. There's a learning curve for sure but it can be done. IF you don't mind dropping a $30K bike several times. Honda sure screwed up the drop/tip over protection. Only real question is how long will the clutches in the DCT hold up in slow speed practice? They wear quickly because the trans is always shifting at those low speeds and I heard Honda doesn't care for replacing them under warranty. Even if I could afford a new one I would stick with the 1500 or 02-17 1800's.
There was some guy that was doing you tube videos on his DCT and apparently burned up the clutch. Honda did replace it under warranty, but when he continued making more videos doing nothing but slow speed maneuvering and burned up the clutch again, that’s when Honda questioned it and he admitted to spending hours and hours making the videos. That’s when Honda said it was abusive riding and decided it wasn’t covered under warranty. Practice is one thing, but in real life riding, it hasn’t been an issue. A friend has an ‘18, he and I do practice at times in a parking lot, and he’s one of these guys who puts a lot of miles on his bikes. He’s got close to 100k on his with no clutch issues.
@@SimonRiley752 Don't like the bike. Too cramped compared to mine and the lack of clutch bothered me. Not saying I couldn't get used to it, saying I don't WANT to get used to it. I don't expect you to adhere to my personal preferences. You have a different point of view? Goody for you.
I personally will never buy a DCT. Part of the fun of riding is shifting gears. Some like them; I do not. It's a personal preference thing, I think. Jerry was right in his assessment. Riding them has it's own set of challenges. At the end of the day, I'll still ride with anyone! Ride safe, ride well, and ride often! Thanks, Jerry!
@@soujrnr I can manually shift my DCT and faster than any manual clutch rider could ever do.
@@BradinManheim It's not about how fast one person can shift compared to another. That doesn't even come into the equation for me. It's about the fun of shifting. I enjoy the action of shifting my bike. It's not a competition. I don't care how fast or slow anyone can shift their bike.
@@SimonRiley752 I understand. My take on it is that I've been riding and manually shifting now since the late 70s. It has never been tedious or detracting because it's part of the experience. Shifting has never taken my attention off the road and ride either. In any type of job, we learn, we practice, and we become proficient to the point that all motions are second nature. Shifting is just second nature on a motorcycle because it's always been required.
Like I mentioned, it's all about preferences. I prefer manual shifting all day long over DCT, but I'll ride with anyone because it's about the RIDE, and not about how we get from gear to gear.
Ride safe!!
@@soujrnr My only point was that you can manually shift a DCT. It is just a different way to do it.
The DCT does have a manual mode. The big has paddle shifters like some cars do. Also, even in automatic mode, if you want to down shift in order to quickly build up speed so you can pass someone, you can. I've had my Wing for a year now and I don't miss manually shifting. However, I was on vacation recently and I rented a bike with a manual transmission. I can honestly say, neither automatic nor manual transmissions make a difference in my enjoyment of riding.
I have a FJR1300. It also has no clutch. It's the best and the worst feature of the bike. The shifting is instant. But, low speed maneuvers take more faith than a bike with a clutch. I miss the friction zone that the clutch offers. But, on the road, the bike is amazing.
I've ridden an FJR 1300 thru the course. I found if you put that bike in 3rd gear from a stand still, it stays in 3rd and it breezes thru course so easy it was like cheating.
@@motorman857 Wow! Thanks for that tip. I'll certainly try it. I can certainly see it might help. That bike is very high strung in 1st and 2nd gear.
So.... I will have to agree more with the first opinion of the DCT. It is a great bike for touring and cruising on the open highway however this will not consistently make it in tight maneuvers or a rodeo type environment. The person in this video has obviously put in the time and work to get at the level he is at.
training and practice??? say it ain't so! 🤣
@@DavidSmith-jj5pr perishable skill.
@@garyroy3133 disagree- and this video proves it. I can ride mine the same, and I lane split with it too.
@@johnmoylan7202 Ok.... We can agree to disagree. Ride safe my friend.
@@garyroy3133 how long have you had your DCT ?
Hey Motorman, thanks for the information you share all the time. I enjoy very much and I would love to come down for your class. My big concern or issue is slow speeds maneuvering. I have a Victory Cross Country and I feel My bike moves too fast for these slow speed exercises. I am too afraid of dropping my bike and I get way too tense.
You control the speed with the clutch/throttle and rear brake. Your bike is well protected in a tip over. No damage at all. I suggest you practice the slow race prior to coming to the class. Simply ride straight at a walking pace while in the friction zone with a little pressure on the rear brake. If you can't do that, my class is too advanced for you.
Well Done. Thank you
Hey motorman , i dont think you were wrong about being a hard bike to master this type of riding it would be as your not using the principle of the friction zone which i believe would make it extreamly difficult to maintain control , Now i have watched a lot of your videos cant remember if i watched the one people got upset about or not but for this guy to come from riding a 600 to a wing well thats a leap . But what he said was true if you do not practice how will you get better ? if you dont drop your bike how will you learn ? I watch a lot of videos from wing owners in the states and most of there riding is straight roads like on your freeways i would love to see some of these guys attend your classes anyone can ride in a straight line or turn a corner at the lights . I have heard that running the dct wing at low speeds is not recommended as the trans is not designed for it maybe its true i dont know . I am not a fan of the dct wing i believe it takes part of the essence of riding a bike away , i am a fan of the gold wing i believe it is a pinical of engineering excellence but i also watch a lot of harley davidson videos as well there a tough machine you may have seen M.D.B "s videos he takes that bike where no bike has gone before and i dont think a wing would survive ,my hat is off to those two guys as the old saying goes practice makes perfect take care .
I had my reservations about the DCT, but the arthritis in my left hand had gotten to the point where I didn’t want to ride anywhere I might get into heavy traffic with stop and go especially. The trip home from the dealer I got stuck in bad traffic and I instantly knew I made the right decision. It’s let me keep riding. Keep the shiny side up and safe riding!
Not the focus of this video or channel, but I think the Goldwing DCT would make a great trike. Currently own a Road King and a Road Glide 3 trike.
I don't see many answers to the one question you asked of us?
NO, I don't think you were wrong. If the video you're talking about matches what I remember watching, and the few other bits you've mentioned here and there, this video only confirms you were right. Other comments by MCrider, wflentge, and many others seems to me to also agree.
Yes, it is very different, and could take a while to get used to, maybe more for those already proficient at low speed with a clutch than for new riders; but I never heard you say it can't be done.
Caveat: I never owned anything with DCT (yet). My wife and I tested a DCT Goldwing 2-up after about 3-4 years experience with our first bike (a manual Honda CTX-700). For normal maneuvers I didn't find it hard to get used to, and after about 10-15 minutes we returned to the Dealer and did an easy full circle, nothing hard, probably about 22 ft. It impressed me than the bike would let this untrained guy get around well without the electric crawl in normal spaces and would have the crawl if really trapped. So far, it's the only 2 Wheel vehicle about which she said "If we go touring on a motorcycle, I want something like this."
Question, how many have gone through your course 2-up? She doesn't enjoy driving much and almost violently apposes trying to learn MC controls or get her M endorsement.
A few riders have gone through my course 2 up. Most riders don't bring their wifes to the class.
"How did you know what to practice?"
All you can do is turn right, or left. If you can do a tight figure 8, you can do anything else in a parking lot.
A new rider with less than 6 months riding, with a huge bike, accomplishing what he has, and it's harder than all the others means everyone on manuals gets it done in 3 months?
I have a 2024 DCT and have noticed that I can't turn it as tightly as my BMW 1250RS; however, the difference really doesn't make much of a difference to me.
You are probably unaware that the vast majority of motorcycle crashes occur at 20 mph or below. If you can't lean, swerve and turn quickly at low speeds, when that car violates your right of way, you are in deep trouble. When that car turns left in front of you, that's not the time to practice leaning, swerving and turning.
For those who can't handle the truth, you can't play the game, if you don't know the rules. Learn the rules and exploit them. Living in denial is only your personal detriment.
"Well, there's a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can't be with the one you love, honey
Love the one you're with
Love the one you're with
Love the one you're with
Love the one you're with"
Right on…love your ride whatever it is…and safe riding!
I would never by a dct, I have riden them, not for me
Its not reamended to do slow speed monoverse for extended periods, for the short time he's had the bike he's done good.
where did you read that?
@@kevinlong4133 - I didn't read it, but I saw a UA-cam video of a Goldwing DCT owner who was practicing low speed manuevers like you. IIRC, the bike had ~18k miles on it. The rider burned out his clutch doing low speed manuevers. It was under warranty, so Honda replaced the clutch. He resumed his low speed manuever training and burned out another clutch. Honda considered this abuse and would not replace the clutch a second time.
@@KurtisIsley He was most likely using a lot of rear brake. I also heard, but didn't confirm, you can also burn it up using the walking speed forward and reverse mode if you use it on serious inclines or use it against the brake.
I don't use much rear brake at all. idle speed is very low so if you are good with the throttle you don't need the brake unless you are going downhill or just screw up.
Oh sure, I traded in my DCT Goldwing for a Road King, and NOW I’m gonna have to trade the RK in for a Goldwing!!! 😅
Kidding of course, I love my RK. I’m going to trade soon for a new Street Glide, which seems like the perfect combo of GW-like tech with Harley Touring maneuverability.
I wonder what year wing he has. The new front suspension has a panalever type fork. It looks like the angle is steeper than the older traditional front suspension
To my knowledge, all 2018-2024 Wings are the same.
@@motorman857 how does the new design compare to the old for slow maneuvering in your expert opinion?
@@seymoreduless8920 I'd say they are equal. The pre 2018 Wings were very well protected in a tip over. The present generation has little to no protection in a tipover.
Stock, yes. Traxxion Dynamics sells some nice stuff, but a lot of folks whine about the price.
@@motorman857 - "The present generation has little to no protection in a tipover."
This is easily my biggest complaint about the current generation of Goldwings. In my opinion, the engineers at Honda built the best touring motorcycle they could, but none of them actually ride motorcycles, otherwise, I think they would have included better tip over protection, or at least offered them as add ons.
Thanks for posting this Jerry. I remember the vid where you panned the DCT and as a DCT owner it surprised me then. Its different but not bad once you practice with it.
I never panned the DCT. I said it would take a lot more training to master at low speeds than a manual.
Try it riding double !!
Bad thing about the DCT Gold Wing is you can burn up the clutches doing the constant slow speed maneuvers...and Honda won't warranty that..its already happened ...Honda calls that rider abuse.
those burning up clutches are probably using a lot of brake. i only use the brake when i am going downhill or otherwise ended up going too fast. i cant imagine idle or very little throttle at slow speeds without a lot of brake will burn up a clutch. not unless you made the mistake of doing rodeos with a DCT.
this is not stunt riding. we are preparing to avoid accidents at intersections and parking lots.
What is low speed ''stunt riding''?
He thinks you are supposed to duck walk a motorcycle when it drops below 20MPH. He's whats known as a clueless rider.
Love the Goldwing big Kay muncher i own super tenere not stock love thebig Yamaha wouldn't part with it
I've heard a lot of bad things about DCT during slow-speed riding overextended periods of time, it wears out the clutches fast.
So, did he change your opinion or not?😂 for my, my gl1800tour dct is a best of the best so far😎
No. My opinion was, and is, that it takes a lot more practice in proper technique to master a DCT Wing than a manual transmission Wing. The amount of practice this rider put in proves I was correct.
@@motorman857ok, but believe me it much more easer with dct 2021+ than with dct 2018+
Humans can learn to overcome almost anything with enough practice, but why buy a technology that requires so much finesse to do normal maneuvers? Also, you have to ride faster on a DCT to do these maneuvers than on other more suitable bikes. Notice he keeps pretty good speed through all the maneuvers. Ask him to ride at half his current speed and see what happens.
There's no doubt that a clutch/throttle gives a much more precise way to handle a motorcycle. Kevin is aware of that as well.
You “have to” ride faster on a DCT? doubt that. two wheels are two wheels. If you claim i didn’t have enough skill during the video to ride slower, you are right. But I’ll see Jerry again this winter and we’ll test (destroy) your claim😁
@@KevinLong-q2l So, you don’t believe the issue documented on GoldWingDocs about slow speed riding practice rapidly wearing out the DCT clutches? I was commenting on the characteristic of the Honda DCT, not on your riding skill.
i did not think you were knocking my skill. i’m the one that said i didn’t have the skill to do the exercises at a slower pace. I’ll check out the docs but i suspect those having issues are using a lot of rear brake.
@@SimonRiley752 ROTFL. Sounds like you are clueless.
I would not buy a DCT anything, too much risk of "problems", besides I enjoy shifting a traditional motorcycle's manual trans.
I haven't had any "problems" with my Honda Rebel 1100T DCT.
Enjoy your manual shift. I do. I ride both a Road Glide and a Goldwing. But the DCT is darn near bullet proof, so don’t let “problems” divert you.
I researched the DCT's a lot. Not many problems out there. Guys claim they have well over 100,000 miles with little to no problem. I loved driving stick shifts through my 40's. done shifting.
Just be aware that the DCT isn't very robust when used excessively for slow speed training, and Honda isn't picking up the warranty claims when it breaks (and it does). Ride safe.
I recall seeing a video of a DCT owner who burned out his clutch practicing slow speed manuevers. Honda replaced it the first time. They refused the second he burned it out.
Was he wearing a Harley shirt at the end? 😂
thats the BOSS riding his bike...
Brotherrrrrr
that was from a totally different class.
You couldn’t ride the course in a manual and sport mode.
after you get an automatic transmission on a two wheeler, remember to add the third wheel . you are no longer riding a motorcycle
I can get a R1200RT through the Eliminator cone pattern no problem....but I'd have to see how these big bikes work the cone patterns.
Then watch any of the 10 thousand or so, police competition videos here on youtube.
@ They have Gold Wings going through the Eliminator pattern? I have watched "thousands" of videos, and even posted a few of mine where I ride my R1150RTP through the Eliminator. That's a touring bike converted to law enforcement use. So, send me one of those thousands of videos with the Eliminator and a Gold Wing then?
@@socal33 Houston TX uses Gold Wings. Do a search here on youtube. Or send me 1 million dollars and I'll do it for you. 😁😁
Probably because people equate your statement as the hardest as being impossible. It is definitely not impossible, and very learnable. Maybe instead of describing something as being hard, instead say these bikes will take more work to finesse.
I GOT A GREAT TIP.. I ride the rear brake and power up to get the slow speed maneuvers, send me a link to join your class @#idiotgoldwinger
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@motorman857 going there now,
@Idiotgoldwinger Careful with the rear brake against the throttle. You can burn up the clutch.
have you ever been rearended by an inexperienced newbie gold wing rider ? i have . like getting hit with a 1000lb sledgehammer. i thought a truck had run over me