Beauty & Industrialism: Two visions of the future

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  • @gawkthimm6030
    @gawkthimm6030 25 днів тому +566

    one thing many miss about 40k is that with the warp being connect to all souls and "faith/strength of will" being a literal force of the universe, building you spaceships like cathedrals and having your crews pray before and during space travel through LITERAL HELL, aesthetics matter as faith can literally move spaceships the size of mountains.

    • @LordCrate-du8zm
      @LordCrate-du8zm 21 день тому +16

      That is still a very active part of the lore. Wdym you “miss” it?

    • @Illitha
      @Illitha 20 днів тому

      @@LordCrate-du8zmfr, you can play sisters of battle on the tabletop.

    • @Madecarnival66
      @Madecarnival66 20 днів тому +46

      ​@@LordCrate-du8zm They meant that some people "miss" it as in they don't realise it

    • @LordCrate-du8zm
      @LordCrate-du8zm 20 днів тому +10

      @@Madecarnival66 Oh

    • @gawkthimm6030
      @gawkthimm6030 19 днів тому +17

      @@LordCrate-du8zm most casual new comers to the lore, "miss it" as in they dont notice that part of the lore

  • @burialgoods
    @burialgoods 24 дні тому +427

    I hate the sterile, postmodern world so much. Great video.

  • @Vyelikan
    @Vyelikan 27 днів тому +398

    Halo ship names go hard

    • @MisterFanwank
      @MisterFanwank 25 днів тому +41

      My favorite ship name is Shadow of Intent.

    • @svenofthejungle
      @svenofthejungle 25 днів тому +31

      I really loved "In Amber Clad". It was a small but nimble ship that punched above its weight and looked cool as hell, and as a track, it is easily one of my to three favorites in all of Halo's soundtracks.

    • @velstadtvonausterlitz2338
      @velstadtvonausterlitz2338 25 днів тому +17

      Invincible Reason, Vengeful Spirit, Nightfall, Red Tear, The Conquerer and Etc...

    • @cottermcg123
      @cottermcg123 25 днів тому

      @@velstadtvonausterlitz2338covenant of blood

    • @CTembo
      @CTembo 24 дні тому +43

      *1. Long Night of Solace*
      *2. Pillar of Autumn*
      *3. Harbinger of Piety*
      *4. Spirit of Fire*
      *5. Ascendant Justice*

  • @freeman8990
    @freeman8990 27 днів тому +230

    Watching this makes me understand a little more why they hired people who hated Halo.
    It also made me missed Bungie's story-telling and Halo 3's ending is perfect in everyway.

    • @rutgaurxi7314
      @rutgaurxi7314 27 днів тому +5

      Halo 3 was just badly written and felt like corporate rubbish.

    • @alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723
      @alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 27 днів тому +34

      @@rutgaurxi7314 It was not that but there was very much backlash because of its cliffhanger ending that set a very large fail in the 5th incarnation of the game, game wise 4 was good, lore-wise it was on the road to shit,

    • @ryan_1099
      @ryan_1099 26 днів тому +24

      Halo 3 definitely isn't written the best but it had a sweet ending.
      As wonky as those old games are, it's best to celebrate what they all came together to be in the end.

    • @Chrisspru
      @Chrisspru 26 днів тому +2

      can't have you striving forward unto dawn when they can get infinity mtx.

    • @velstadtvonausterlitz2338
      @velstadtvonausterlitz2338 25 днів тому

      Halo is garbage to begin with.

  • @harbl99
    @harbl99 27 днів тому +500

    "Why didn't the church look after the poor like they were supposed to?"
    They never stop and ask themselves why all the old hospitals are named after saints. Funny that.

    • @soul1d
      @soul1d 26 днів тому

      Hospitals, schools, universities, even the entire concept of science all stemmed from the church. Basically we are just buried under several generations of psyops at this point.

    • @RealCodreX
      @RealCodreX 25 днів тому +61

      They also never realized what the purpose of a chruch was directly after worship!

    • @r.connor9280
      @r.connor9280 25 днів тому +34

      or that a minister invented MRI, I'm fairly certain, but considering hospital example it was bound to happen

    • @arsic094
      @arsic094 23 дні тому

      You only hear those from people who haven't stepped in a church for decades.

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 22 дні тому +17

      Meanwhile, the Church literally being the pillar of every community:

  • @TheFakeBriskeh
    @TheFakeBriskeh 27 днів тому +226

    Mantle of responsibility is a 343 thing, with bungie there was no need to designate such a thing since humanity's birthright wasnt chosen for them by another race but is them reclaiming what was theirs being forerunner. Its in the very title of reclaimer
    edit: changed was to wasnt

    • @ryan_1099
      @ryan_1099 26 днів тому

      Is that pertaining to the video?

    • @CeaddaOfMercia
      @CeaddaOfMercia  24 дні тому +26

      Good point, I haven't played 4 or 5 but have learnt some lore along the way and I suppose absorbed it retrospectively into my understanding

    • @NiniSuperior
      @NiniSuperior 23 дні тому +27

      Exactly. Bungie always implied (and straight up told us a couple of times) that humans were the direct descendants of the Forerunners and that makes much more sense than all the 343 retcons.

    • @catcadev
      @catcadev 22 дні тому +17

      In my opinion, Forerunner lore is just not that cool. It should have been ancient humanity instead. That makes so much more sense thematically and just in general

    • @lebronjames1472
      @lebronjames1472 19 днів тому +7

      @@NiniSuperior Wrong They where clarified as 2 distinct species in the halo 3 Terminals. Bungie devs have come forward and stated they had changed there mind about them being the same species after halo 2. Humanity being the forerunners is tropy and overdone.

  • @mrpurple2204
    @mrpurple2204 18 днів тому +81

    You start with a strikingly controversial statement, rant about modernity and a bizarre hatred for doorbells, then babble on about 40k and halo lore before finishing with some philosophy, all in a strong British accent.
    10/10 video.

  • @Adamesstro.
    @Adamesstro. 27 днів тому +65

    Halo trailers used to be peak

  • @sanuku535
    @sanuku535 25 днів тому +39

    the mirror, telescope and mircoscope allegory is perfect. I applaud you for this, and I think the greatest praise is the fact that I want to use it in the future.

    • @aguspuig6615
      @aguspuig6615 25 днів тому +3

      yess, i think too often the telescope gets lumped in with the microscope, and we get this fals dycotomy drawn by reactionaries were you either look to the glorious past or settle in the gray depressing present, too often we forget that we can mix the best from both worlds, the noble, higher values of the past with the drive and power of the present, to get the telescope, look to the future, spread beauty amongst the starts and whatnot. We can do so much

  • @BringerOfD
    @BringerOfD 16 днів тому +21

    The believe in hope Halo ads really hits strong, even now. Ironically It emphasized the concept of not being the true hero, but still being significant. You play as the Chief, but this was the story of the Marine. The Marine holding onto that almost delusional hope, that if he could hold his own for one more hour, one more minute, or just one more second, that he could give the Master Chief the window to save humanity.

  • @Jayven45
    @Jayven45 23 дні тому +48

    One thing I would like to point out is that Bungie always intended humans and Forerunners to be the same species. Humans are only called Reclaimers because they're literally the same species Reclaiming their lost property.
    Halo CE
    343 Guilty Spark: "You can't imagine how exciting this is to have a record of all our lost time. Human history is it? fascinating."
    Halo 3
    343 Guilty Spark: "You are forerunner"
    Gravemind: "Child of my enemy why have you come"
    Reach
    Halsey: "Knowledge a birthright from an ancient civilization"
    EDIT: In Contact Harvest it's established that the whole reason for the human covenant war is that truth found out that forerunners and humans are the same. Which makes The Great Journey a lie because some forerunners survived. Which is why the human covenant war starts as a cover up.
    (The Great Journey is the firing of the halo or forge world array)
    C3 sabertooth has a great video on this

    • @duck_entertainment
      @duck_entertainment 5 днів тому

      Yes but no kinda. It’s a very touchy subject because there’s a lot of evidence pointing to both sides of the spectrum.

    • @Jayven45
      @Jayven45 5 днів тому

      @@duck_entertainment Most people at bungie intended forunners to be humans, the only person who tried to recon this is Frank O Conner. The only parts of the Halo 3 terminals that retcon preestablished lore are the ones he wrote about the Diadact and Librarian.
      Ex: if all the keyships were destroyed why was John on one at the end of 2 and jumped out at the start of 3?
      Why call humans reclaimers and not inheritors?

    • @duck_entertainment
      @duck_entertainment 5 днів тому +1

      @ Uhh the Prophet of Truth was using that keyship?

  • @Nomenius1
    @Nomenius1 27 днів тому +153

    I always did prefer Halo over 40K, it felt more like the breath of life given to save a man from a heart attack compared to 40K's lone death rattle if that makes any sense.

    • @aguspuig6615
      @aguspuig6615 25 днів тому +58

      More hope for sure. I personally like both as different variations of fighting for hope and a dream, Halo feels barely winnable, like if you do everything perfectly you might make it. 40k feels like youre sure you wont make it yet youll still die trying in the hopes that someone down the line makes it.
      I think both are important

    • @Sujad
      @Sujad 25 днів тому +29

      I've always loved last stands in media. It's honestly one of the main reasons why I love 40K so much. Despite certain, eventual defeat the Imperium is still standing up against a fate it can never hope to over come and it's making the galaxy suffer for every step backwards mankind it to take back.

    • @NekrindeNekrinius
      @NekrindeNekrinius 23 дні тому +13

      @@aguspuig6615 40k is like humanity is in really desperate times with no real solution and its not about if anything we will do will be enough, just do your best, do what you can and it will be enough, so at the end one will be certain. That we gave it all we had.

    • @TrashMail-ri3ci
      @TrashMail-ri3ci 13 днів тому +2

      That's a great description of both. Those are the reasons I like both of them

    • @thechadcruzaider7864
      @thechadcruzaider7864 10 днів тому

      and the Horus Heresy goes even harder than 40k

  • @versace6609
    @versace6609 23 дні тому +18

    You literally made a video about parallels I’ve always thought about between our world and Warhammer 40K. I’m gonna use this video when referring to mankind’s trajectory on material aesthetics when the conversation arises. Amazing video

  • @stanisawzokiewski3308
    @stanisawzokiewski3308 27 днів тому +119

    All living things want two thing: to consume energy and safety for their offspring.
    I think industrialism made us think to much of energy and not enough of future gerations.

    • @Nykandros
      @Nykandros 27 днів тому +6

      You just made up that "safety for their offspring" one lol. Organisms seek expansion of their being, this can take many forms: hoarding & increasing resources, subjugation of territory etc. having kids is just the lowest & most easily attained version of this instinct, it is not an instinct in and of itself.

    • @stanisawzokiewski3308
      @stanisawzokiewski3308 26 днів тому +16

      @@Nykandros It litteraly is an instinct.
      Self preservation and reproduction are things EVERY SINGLE organism does.
      There are some without territory, some who dont hoard resources (fish dont do either). But all try to reproduce. Even the simplest single celled organisms duplicate.

    • @Nykandros
      @Nykandros 26 днів тому

      @@stanisawzokiewski3308 "There are some without territory, some who don't hoard resources" Yes, which is why I explicitly stated that reproduction is the LOWEST & MOST READILY ATTAINED version of the instinct to expand; it's readily accessible and practiced by all. But it is NOT the core instinct in and of itself.
      Low-quality organisms prioritize reproduction to a fault, whereas higher-quality organisms are more focused on greater means of satisfying their need for expansion. Think of the difference between an insect, who defines its existence through constant reproduction, versus a lion; who is occupied with reproduction far less, and more concerned with phenomena such as fighting for territory, usurping the pride or surplus killing. A particularly hardy male lion will literally kill any of the kids who don't allow him to eat first lol.
      We even see this pattern in humans. The poorest, least intelligent & least healthy humans are usually the ones with the highest birthrates. Even on the extreme scale, the men who are considered the "greatest" in history had notorious challenges trying to create legitimate heirs due to the fact they were simply too busy conquering to care. Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon etc.
      As I said, reproduction is simply the easiest way to satisfy an organisms desire for expansion. If the organism is skilled enough to pursue higher means, they won't prioritize it that much.

    • @Nykandros
      @Nykandros 26 днів тому

      @@stanisawzokiewski3308 "There are some without territory, some who don't hoard resources" Yes, which is why I explicitly stated that reproduction is the LOWEST & MOST READILY ATTAINED version of the instinct to expand; it's readily accessible and practiced by all. But it is NOT the core instinct in and of itself.
      Low-quality organisms prioritize reproduction to a fault, whereas higher-quality organisms are more focused on greater means of satisfying their need for expansion. Think of the difference between an insect, who defines its existence through constant reproduction, versus a lion; who is occupied with reproduction far less, and more concerned with phenomena such as fighting for territory, pride usurpation and surplus killing. A particularly hardy male lion will literally kill any of the kids who don't allow him to eat first lol.

    • @Nykandros
      @Nykandros 26 днів тому +3

      @@stanisawzokiewski3308 "There are some without territory, some who don't hoard resources" Yes, which is why I explicitly stated that reproduction is the LOWEST & MOST READILY ATTAINED version of the instinct to expand; it's readily accessible and practiced by all. But it is NOT the core instinct in and of itself.
      Low-quality organisms prioritize reproduction to a fault, whereas higher-quality organisms are more focused on greater means of satisfying their need for expansion. Think of the difference between an insect, who defines its existence through constant reproduction, versus a lion; who is occupied with reproduction far less, and more concerned with phenomena such as fighting for territory, pride usurpation and surplus killing. A particularly hardy male lion will literally kill any of the kids who don't allow him to eat first lol.

  • @ddraig1509
    @ddraig1509 27 днів тому +79

    No way, new cheddar man video

    • @BeanOfBean
      @BeanOfBean 26 днів тому +1

      Constantine profile picture spotted

  • @blackjak4185
    @blackjak4185 26 днів тому +38

    “In Amber Clad”
    For a brief moment, I also thought of the battle cry “In midnight clad.” of the Night Lords

    • @vee-bee-a
      @vee-bee-a 26 днів тому +8

      Ave Dominus Nox... Brother?

  • @jadedsilverlining9427
    @jadedsilverlining9427 14 днів тому +3

    I... this was so beautifuly shot. The ODST helmet at the end just... I don't know. Something about this video felt like the human spirit crying for innovation and a return to form at the same time. And I don't mean on a larger scale, I mean MY spirit. Specifically mine.

  • @gordanator2060
    @gordanator2060 27 днів тому +23

    Waow, I've never appreciated the names of the Halo ships in such detail before 😮
    Edit: Okay, the name of chief is actually flat out Shakespearean..

  • @vaskoz3700
    @vaskoz3700 27 днів тому +149

    40k is catholic/orthodox halo is protestant

    • @gordanator2060
      @gordanator2060 27 днів тому +20

      That's.. inspired

    • @mill2712
      @mill2712 27 днів тому +34

      Would that make Dune lean towards the Islamic side?

    • @gordanator2060
      @gordanator2060 27 днів тому +24

      @@mill2712 I don't think the "Islamic side" really has a future.

    • @Nykandros
      @Nykandros 27 днів тому +2

      Wordcel mumbo jumbo. Judaism is all the same

    • @gordanator2060
      @gordanator2060 27 днів тому

      @@Nykandros Clearly isn't. Guessing you would you prefer a future with dickless, blue- haired they/them's with ships shaped like giant butt plugs instead. Because so far that's all your Atheist aesthetic has managed to muster up. 🫢

  • @AvoidTheCadaver
    @AvoidTheCadaver 21 день тому +11

    I often say it about houses these days. Prefabricated Concrete slab boxes have no character and are no better than a hab bloxk

    • @dozergames2395
      @dozergames2395 21 день тому +6

      If they were cheaper that wouldnt bother me as much

  • @jordancostello1674
    @jordancostello1674 20 днів тому +5

    Just a beautiful connection of meaning through history and two of our favorite science-fiction franchises.

  • @lutylives1852
    @lutylives1852 27 днів тому +18

    12:24 "FOE HAMMER - oh yeah, pillar of autumn"

  • @honkhonk8009
    @honkhonk8009 17 днів тому +8

    15:30
    Not to mention the dad of Joseph Staten, Halo's main writer responsible for basically the entire storyline, was a professor of theology and religion, and a MASSIVE Christian.

  • @Kirtahl
    @Kirtahl 17 днів тому +4

    I got kinda teary eyes when talking about halo... And that was before the belief ad. Simply the names of the ships man.

  • @michaelyoung7261
    @michaelyoung7261 23 дні тому +4

    There is so much in this that makes me happy because it gives voice to something I haven’t had words for, nor even very much conscious thought. Thank you for this.
    The comment about how the cathedral would have been the most beautiful place someone would have seen struck hard, and makes me think of the first thing I went to the Salt Lake City Temple of the LDS church, a granite monument to the early Mormon pioneers hardy determination to worship their God as they had been commanded through their prophet. Each room had been maintained in very much the same way that it had originally been built, and each room I went into make my mouth drop open in awe at the splendor and beauty, but it was when I entered the final room of the endowment ceremony, the celestial room that represents the place that God the Father dwells, that is when I was stunned and awestruck. I had to pick my jaw up off of the floor so that I could continue walking. The Bible mentions the terror of God, and it was after that experience that I realized that God-fearing can be a deeply religiously good thing, something that carries Hope and Faith along its shoulders. It was a more potent feeling than any I have had reaching the peak of mountains, or seeing the greatest vistas of forests or oceans of nature. No other modern day structure has come close to the smallest fraction that same feeling except for other great works of worship.

  • @FGMagala
    @FGMagala 25 днів тому +18

    In the modern world of overcommercialization that specializes in reducing prices at virtually all cost including character and personality, I think taking a look at Eastern answers is helpful, especially in terms of media. Ghost in the Shell is a cyberpunk dystopia series, yet (especially the movies and Stand Alone Complex TV series) shows how humanity can emerge in a place where people question if there's any humanity left in the modern world.
    Batou collects exercise equipment and lifts weights despite his muscles are all made in factories, Togusa shoots a revolver despite it being entirely obsolete symbolizing how he himself is obsolete despite being the youngest member of the team due to his minimal use of cybernetic implants, how Kuze constantly folds paper cranes leaving an obvious trail despite being a wanted terrorist and tries to minimize his trail in other ways, and how Motoko works so hard to keep wearing a ring she recieved as a gift to the point of making bad excuses to avoid getting hands too big to wear it.
    This series especially, but not anywhere close to uniquely, emphasizes how you can create little bits of character and humanity even when the world devoid of it due to hyperlibertarian capitalistic pressures forcing the erasure of all forms of uniqueness and meaning.
    Like the lion door knocker, we don't need to fill our lives with creative symbols of uniqueness and character, but one or two pieces that focuses your humanity and character becomes far more valuable and meaningful than thousands of random half-hearted attempts at filling your life with diluted character.
    Besides, with modern 3d printing technologies, we can just cover the generic electric doorbell button with a custom made lion's mask at a low cost and accessible to anybody willing to look for it.

    • @RealCodreX
      @RealCodreX 25 днів тому +1

      This is because GitS is Eastern cyberpunk, which differs significantly from Western cyberpunk in that the corporations are still fighting against the government and have not yet won.

    • @FGMagala
      @FGMagala 25 днів тому +3

      @@RealCodreX I wasn't exactly comparing eastern vs western cyberpunk, but rather using it as an example for how we can regain our humanity and character in our environment and everyday objects despite them being a dystopia.
      It's not just looking at the past and emulating that, but also examining other cultures and looking at their solutions as well.

  • @blimp9741
    @blimp9741 22 дні тому +8

    This video made me feel like I was granted 13 more braincellls.

  • @wolfleader17
    @wolfleader17 23 дні тому +7

    While not quite industrialist, the Ace Combat series has some similar thematic elements that make up it's world and stories that would be worth going over as well.
    The characters often describe the act of flight as a thing of beauty, while battling super weapons or drones that represent destructive ideals or the direction of technology.
    Religion also plays a key role. At least one protagonist is an allegory for Jesus Christ, with others being demons, saints, characters from Norse mythologies, or representing themes.
    My favorite is Ace Combat 7. Spoiler warning for those who have not finished the story.
    There's plenty of examples of how terrible and chaotic war can be in it, but there's a overarching theme that shines through at the end: choice for the future. It does not shy away from the fact that change can be rough, or even when made with good intentions, how can be used as a weapon. Mihaly's love for flying was pure human artistry, turned to data by a vengeful scientist, who realized too late what he'd done. The drones built with that information, Huginn and Muninn, named after Odin's ravens who give him information, attempted to spread that data to other drone using the space elevator. Their success would mean uncontrolled, nigh-unkillable drones patrolling the skies. The player averts this fate however, notably, with the support of their peers and their own skill and artistry.
    But before the day is saved, the choice of whether it would be best to destroy the space elevator or not is considered. Therein lies the choice. One in which any industrialized path is stifled to prevent chaos, war, and the rise of autonomy which has the power to detriment all. Or the alternative, braving those rough waters to hopefully forge a future in which we have a literal gateway to the heavens, and responsibly use it to explore ever more wild blue yonders.

  • @thefudgebot
    @thefudgebot 12 днів тому +1

    Wow this was a really good video essay, far deeper than I was expecting based on the subject matter. Good job

  • @eugenioleanza9190
    @eugenioleanza9190 27 днів тому +16

    Very cool video. I am Italian and I had never seen that statue before watching this video.
    Italian futurism > cubism, by the way.

  • @RichardKing-sx6xc
    @RichardKing-sx6xc 27 днів тому +148

    Galatic Anglican Imperialism 🙋

    • @screwstatists7324
      @screwstatists7324 27 днів тому +14

      Reunite the Anglosphere under one commonwealth!

    • @dice-uj2sr
      @dice-uj2sr 27 днів тому +7

      ​@@screwstatists7324 I would have to agree serving the empire was probably the only hopeful period in my country's history sadly now it's all grim dark future that awaits us.

    • @michaelHassler-dl9ux
      @michaelHassler-dl9ux 26 днів тому +1

      What your opinion on reactionary modernist articulate by Jonathan Bowden

    • @michaelHassler-dl9ux
      @michaelHassler-dl9ux 26 днів тому +1

      Or what about Perennial Traditionalist

    • @deitchj003
      @deitchj003 25 днів тому

      The same church that allows gay marriage 🤣

  • @CubesBR67
    @CubesBR67 14 днів тому +1

    Halo 3 odst is a masterpiece of art.
    He manages to convey his message and vision of the world already proposed in an incredible and unique way, bringing a noar and depressive air, exactly what these soldiers are going through

  • @ckl9390
    @ckl9390 18 днів тому +1

    This is the best video essay I've seen yet on design philosophy and both how it is applied in fiction and real life. Your summary at the end sounds like it should be posted the main hall of a university of arts and design. When I look at a ring doorbell, not that I have in person as no one I know has them here, what I see is the design process behind it and why the decisions, or lack of decisions were made in said design. They mostly boil down to simplifying or removing steps in production. All the housings look the same because they litterally are the same, clones of eachother spat out of an extrusion mould, even between different models. The neo-modern smooth texture and largely hard angles remove design elements that would otherwise require skilled labour in the manufacture of said mould. Every piece needs to be consistent to the milimeter so that the automated assembly devices can reliably handle them without having to re-calibrate for each part. And while I know the practical reasons behind current design trends, this essay provides more scope with which to consider. Thank you.
    On a side note; as part of the ongoing analysis of what makes my country (Canada) and it's closest neighbour (both in culture and geography) subtly different to the point of being strikingly different, one observation has been made regarding the design choices for government and adminsitrative buildings. Canada's Parliment Buildings and many Provincial Legislature buildings were deliberately made in a Neo-Gothic style. There is tremendous detail which no one except for those who clean it overtly notice, and symbols without only general symology. While the US chose an imposing Classical design echoing the style of Ancient Rome but ending up with (what I feel are) largely blank and meaningless buildings despite great attempts to imbue every aspect of the design with meaning. Anyone's thoughts on this?

  • @cheifhog2552
    @cheifhog2552 21 день тому +12

    The more I pay attention to the background of all the things I’m interested in, I’ve come to realize I’m magnetically attracted to the concept of Christendom in Space featuring power armor.

  • @jizzwizard4077
    @jizzwizard4077 27 днів тому +16

    Don't usually comment this but I was the 117th like.

  • @catcadev
    @catcadev 22 дні тому +4

    I very much believe that as technology progresses, we will see the reintroduction of some beauty back into the world. Even in suburbs-- literally cookie-cutter houses, are beginning to become more unique again, with more façades and other touches. It's a bit nicer than cookie-cutter copy-paste houses.
    A lot of it is the 'modern" look, which is clinical and clean. I don't think it is going to stick around forever. Modernism, like Brutalism, will decline in time and thank god for that

  • @ikimaster8842
    @ikimaster8842 16 днів тому +1

    This is an incredible video essay, a wonderful exploration and i think that not only is it worth further discussion, but also the literally everyone in the world should watch this in order to understand where humanity is headed and how we can improve, if only very slightly, our societal style in products and architecture

  • @angelmurchison1731
    @angelmurchison1731 14 днів тому +1

    Wonderful video. I was just having a conversation with my girlfriend about how the 40K Adeptus Mechanicus helped me to see the importance of what I do as a software engineer. Though the particulars of what I do seem minute and unimportant, they fit snugly into the grand mechanicus that all of my fellow technologists work to build every day.

    • @lector-dogmatixsicarii1537
      @lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 5 днів тому

      "A man may die yet still endure if his work enters the greater work. Time is carried upon a current incepted by forgotten deeds. Events of great moment are but the culmination of a single carefully placed thought. As all men must thank progenitors obscured by the past so we must endure the present that those who come after may continue the greater work."

  • @oniemployee3437
    @oniemployee3437 25 днів тому +4

    I talked about the same topic as your intro with my friends: culture vs. Minimalism; the difference between efficiency and character, in a sense.
    I wanna see buildings built with that old style in mind. Cool door knockers, stylish mantles and gargoyles on church towers. Little artistic touches done for no other sake than artistic value, because minimalism and effeciency is ruining that aspect of our cultures.

  • @Newbobdole
    @Newbobdole 15 днів тому +1

    …this is everything I wanted from this presentation, thank you

  • @MehnixIsThatGuy
    @MehnixIsThatGuy 27 днів тому +55

    Unneccessary design elements increase expenditure.
    Goal one of all products: Reduce Expenditure, simplistic designs are preferable, "pride" has no place on a balance sheet, especially in a product meant to have some level of disposability.
    Design elements of a specific style may turn away potential customers that do not prefer this style.
    Goal two of all products: Maximise customers, a generic style that neither appeals or offends anyone is preferable to a style that selectivly appeals to some.
    Comparing to the industrial revolution is a bit disingenous, styles take time to change, what we're seeing is a result of the hyper-optimisation for profit that brooks nothing that gets in its way. If you need to build a few hundred thousand cheap houses, time spent to make them look fancy is time spent not building more cheap houses and an increase in cost per house, both of which are suboptimal.
    To note, I hate sterilised designs for anything that isn't a tool, but at least for the average disposable product it exists because it requires the least amount of effort and time. This admittedly doesn't explain why rich people choose the design, might just be because they're usually psychopaths.

    • @jozefkozon4520
      @jozefkozon4520 26 днів тому +22

      In this perspective, durability also belongs to unnecessary expenses. Especially since people who own a durable object, whether it is a house or a tool, have no need to acquire any novelty. Suboptimal in terms of profits.
      Optimization in this direction is not good in its own right, because it serves nothing except economies of scale and thus, large capital. The same ones that poison humanity for extra cash. Which is fundamentally an approach devoid of perspective.
      Houses from Bath can be lived in continuously for many generations, in good and comfortable conditions. Tell that to people who have had to change their home several times in one lifetime because the walls started to fall apart. A comfortable profit is associated with constant or growing demand. Durability calculated just beyond the warranty is the one feature that you have omitted in your enumeration of objective features of the approach.
      Alternatively, if a manufacturer were to sell something long-lasting, it would probably not be ugly or forgettable, due to the marketing power of such examples. Both positive and negative. I will leave it to you to decide what is more optimal in the light of these realities.
      As an aside, the sterile homes of the rich are nothing more than a display of wealth, through the acquisition of property, according to the visions of eccentric (in the same way as Hipsters) Architects, obsessed with the artistry of steel, glass and concrete. What was once a manifestation of vision is clumsily copied as a result of fashion and the inertia of trends. No more, no less. They decide how these buildings look, and the buyers merely pay.

    • @pelinalwhitestrake3367
      @pelinalwhitestrake3367 26 днів тому +10

      Durability is an unnecessary expenditure in capitalism, because producers want to sell more things to consumers, that want to have the newest things. A new IPhone was released? The previous one is considered trash now, even if it was made a year ago. But in socialism, this is not the case. I myself still have a refrigerator that was built in Soviet Union and it only recently started to have problems.

    • @jozefkozon4520
      @jozefkozon4520 26 днів тому

      Don't overdo it with the glazing of communism.
      A car, regardless of its quality, will bring you no value, if after placing a deposit you have to wait 30 years to receive it, because the party, in order to pretend equality with the West, has planned all production capacity for heavy industry, a too shallow shipping channel and a space program.
      And all this regardless of the fact that the quality is as stable as a house of cards.
      The same Wargburgs, from the same German factory and year, can have a perfect fit and seal, as well as gaps measured in inches, depending on the individual vehicle. With the same crew.
      Assessment by export products, undergoing additional inspection, is no indicator of the real quality of production and standard of living. Especially when the system is based on gaslighting the population into accepting suffering and shortages, when what is taken from them goes to gold doorknobs and diamond chandeliers.
      "They pretend to pay, we pretend to work."
      "Public responsibility is no one's responsibility"

    • @Sujad
      @Sujad 25 днів тому +7

      The thing is, the more uniform and bland more things become, the more the unnecessary design elements become attractive. Look at the corporatised slop being shovelled out in gaming. Compare that then to a simple throwback shooter you'd see a decade or so ago in Space Marine 2 and how incredibly successful it's been.

    • @Greywolf905
      @Greywolf905 25 днів тому

      @@pelinalwhitestrake3367 that is not a product of socialisms. my great grandmother had a refrigerator that was probably fifty years old when we got rid of it. things built better back then. socialism would still do the same thing as capitalism; there would just be less to go around.

  • @revemb4653
    @revemb4653 12 днів тому

    “Things both were and can be better “. Yes

  • @titnesovic4522
    @titnesovic4522 27 днів тому +37

    It's interesting to compare the aesthetics of Dune's brutalist and godless architecture with Warhammer's medieval, gothic, sci-fi setting. Two both space-faring yet so diferent visions of the future.

    • @proudalbanianjcdenton7129
      @proudalbanianjcdenton7129 27 днів тому +7

      That's because you haven't read the books and let your mind fill in the vague discretion of what things and details look like, it's what makes the lynch movie, jodorisky's concept art and the book of the new sun fan art book so fun, seeing everyone have so many different ideas of what the same inspiration looks like to all of us, not too different from how mythic stories are retold every generation

    • @TheWizardGamez
      @TheWizardGamez 26 днів тому +10

      Wouldn’t say fine is Godless. It’s pretty heavy on the whole religion thing, or at least religious analogies and metaphors

    • @agentoranj5858
      @agentoranj5858 24 дні тому +1

      @@proudalbanianjcdenton7129 Muad'Dib's palace in Dune Messiah did read as very brutalist and enormous.

  • @Dia.dromes
    @Dia.dromes 14 днів тому

    Signalis has broken me, the intro music instantly caught my ear

  • @screwstatists7324
    @screwstatists7324 27 днів тому +26

    Please read 'The High Crusade' by Poul Anderson.
    Medieval Catholic English crusaders go to space and establish a new civilization.

    • @Nykandros
      @Nykandros 27 днів тому +1

      "Red Rising" clears

  • @johnm9263
    @johnm9263 17 днів тому +1

    if "in amber clad" is "survival" then maybe they would have developed something akin to the name of "in gold clad" for "thrive"

  • @dist0rted320
    @dist0rted320 13 днів тому

    3:43 I'm so glad you used Australia as an example, there are so many new developments going up in Sydney all the way down to the South Coast of NSW (I imagine the same is also happening in Queensland and Victoria) and they're all soulless and pretty much identical. It really saddens me how every single house in the suburbs had its own personality, but now they're being replaced by these mass-produced townhouses

  • @ViriatoII
    @ViriatoII 19 днів тому +1

    This appealed both to the deep Scruton follower in me, and the Halo 1-3 fan

  • @TheMa5terchief
    @TheMa5terchief 11 днів тому

    One note/correction id like to add about the Spirit of Fire is that it’s name was made long before 343 was even a thing. It made its debut halo wars (1). Which without looking up I think came out sometime between Halo 3 and reach. It being a ship of both creation through it massive factories, and destruction through fire power and what was made by said factories on board.

  • @AndiM117
    @AndiM117 15 днів тому +1

    Philosophy and videos games is my UA-cam chocolate and peanut butter.

    • @nitalukder2108
      @nitalukder2108 5 днів тому

      Do you know of similar channels? I need more of this.

  • @Seanain_O_hEarchai
    @Seanain_O_hEarchai 27 днів тому +3

    New Ceadda vid, the West is saved.

  • @georgx6330
    @georgx6330 13 днів тому

    I loved this video,i hope and wish u can talk more about fiction or literatury and art in general,cuz this video show me u are amazing in to this(sorry for bad english)

  • @charlesdaugherty321
    @charlesdaugherty321 25 днів тому +2

    Beautifully put together, Beautifully said.
    Borderline religious video in its own right.

  • @americanbrandon
    @americanbrandon 15 днів тому

    OK, definitely a new subscriber amazing video. Can’t wait to watch every single one now!!

  • @basty1man
    @basty1man 16 днів тому

    Excellent video, Immediately subbed and will be sharing this.

  • @dist0rted320
    @dist0rted320 13 днів тому

    There's something about Halo Reach that really interests me, I'm not sure how many people would agree, and I don't think it was intentional.
    During the space missions, it seems reach is surrounded by these green nebulae. In certain pictures they look to me like pillars or some sort of cosmic construction holding up the weight of the universe. Seeing ships like the Long Night of Solace within this giant expanse reminds me of small parts moving through a greater whole, a reminder that (metaphorically) this universe was built by ancient species, and we're just living in it.
    Again this could be complete yap but that's how it makes me feel lol

  • @hpsauce1078
    @hpsauce1078 17 днів тому +1

    An interesting final point, though i think the absolute rejection of the analytical worldview would be a mistake. History has shown us that those who throw away the microscope will inevitably be materially beaten by others who do not. We reach civilisation when we have the capability to accurately analyse the world around us while also tying it into a cohesive holistic system/aesthetic, there must be a synthesis between a holistic mindset, exploratory mindset and analytical mindset, the question is just who will do it first?

  • @thermalerosion4556
    @thermalerosion4556 10 днів тому

    Yay let’s all go to a universe where we are in a struggle for survival!!! That should solve everyone’s motivation problems!!!1!1!1

  • @thekingzhaul5914
    @thekingzhaul5914 20 днів тому +1

    Little detail about your Spirit of Fire bit: 343 _didn't_ make that ship or its name or halo wars 1, it was actually Ensemble Studios who gave it that name

  • @aguspuig6615
    @aguspuig6615 25 днів тому +7

    Youre the first person i see come to the conclusion that both futurism and reactionary apreciation of the past are good yet must be used carefully.
    Personally i think of it in a slightly different way but i think the spirit is the same.
    I think we have two flawed extremes and one good middle ground.
    ''The world has no meaning things are the best they can be right now'' from the microscope users as youd put it
    ''We have to get rid of everything modern and RETVRN'' from the reactionaries
    and the blessed, based, awsome, middle ground is futurism imo, carrying forth the noblest ideals from the past, with the undeniable good ideals from modernism, while leaving the bad from both behind.
    ''We were born to claim the stars!'' type deal.
    This isnt as poetically put as id like to do it, but im just really happy to see the apreciation of it all from you without falling into either extreme.
    I want my inspiring cathedrals and sculptures while also having comforts and freedoms of the modern day, i dont need to let go of any concept of nobility or higher values to have modern comforts, and i also dont need to stop using technology and become the most traditional human being to aspire to greater values, we can get the best of both wrolds, we are humans its what we do, and in not too long when we wake up from this wierd gray modern time, we will

    • @CeaddaOfMercia
      @CeaddaOfMercia  24 дні тому +1

      When futurism as a term is used in a generally right-wing context it describes that: Using past vitality and greatness to form an independent vision of future. That's how the Italians used it.
      When futurism is used outside of that context its normally taken to mean essentially Star Trek, which is incorrect.
      I'd say a big difference here between correct futurism and neoreaction is that NRx delves more into the typology of past greatness; what traits, principles, and ideals unite the different kinds of great men across time and place. How knights, samurai, and the modern special forces soldier are different forms of the same thing. Where futurism would skip this study and try to force a new form onto the world, the NRx would wait for a natural emergence out of unique circumstance.

    • @twisted_fo0l
      @twisted_fo0l 22 дні тому

      @@CeaddaOfMercia quick nitpick, but knights, samurai and modern special forces are absolutely not the same thing in a social and martial context

    • @chrisAN3681
      @chrisAN3681 18 днів тому +1

      @@twisted_fo0l All three have Christianity in their military forces and all have right-wing traditions. (Search for Christian Samurai)

  • @Dan_Jado
    @Dan_Jado 10 днів тому

    Peak future aesthetic: Metroid Dread Chozos

  • @raemont1328
    @raemont1328 19 днів тому

    This Video is Art

  • @bohemianearspoon8493
    @bohemianearspoon8493 26 днів тому +2

    Aesthetic are just as important as combat effectiveness, as the emperor has obviously, obviously, OBVIOUSLY Decreed- forge father Vulkan He’stan, Chapter Master of the Salamanders explaining why the Catachan jungle fighters don’t wear armor or shirts

  • @christiancordova4849
    @christiancordova4849 13 днів тому

    Well written!

  • @TENGUartesmarciales
    @TENGUartesmarciales 17 днів тому

    Sick video man

  • @BaconWhippet
    @BaconWhippet 20 днів тому

    Such a great video, thank you for your work ❤❤🎉

  • @makscee
    @makscee 12 днів тому +1

    holy shit what a cool video dude

  • @Bioshockaholic
    @Bioshockaholic 11 днів тому

    Very nice video

  • @the23rdradiotower41
    @the23rdradiotower41 22 дні тому +1

    Instant sub

  • @jamesmortimer4016
    @jamesmortimer4016 16 днів тому

    Warhammer 40ks aesthetics are leftovers FROM the dark age of technology, not a walkback afterwards. Humans durring the height of their power build anything meant to be looked at like churches. Sutch can be seen in the relics from said time.
    Humanity literally build flying cathedrals with skyscraper sized guns but didn´t include autoloaders because they had a crew of giant hyperadvanced terminators to load it for them.

  • @delta-a17
    @delta-a17 14 днів тому

    I always thought that the Pillar of Autumn's name was a reference to the "Fall" of Reach. Fall being both a season and a verb. I like both interpretations though.

  • @Ataximander
    @Ataximander 15 днів тому +1

    Have since chosen to ignore Halo 4 continuity onwards.

  • @Richuncleskeleton17
    @Richuncleskeleton17 25 днів тому +1

    More 40k please!

  • @tyyktok7946
    @tyyktok7946 9 днів тому +1

    Name of warhammer song?

  • @JohnHunter-ns4mu
    @JohnHunter-ns4mu 18 днів тому

    I think dune had a very interesting take on architecture. Both the new one and the 1984 one

  • @Admiral_Grufus
    @Admiral_Grufus 27 днів тому +5

    Welcome back
    To the hellscape of the internet. 10 days and it won’t be as hellish 😂😂

  • @lutylives1852
    @lutylives1852 27 днів тому +5

    You sir win the internet today

  • @karolgajko
    @karolgajko 27 днів тому

    Love your content man

  • @gelj065
    @gelj065 26 днів тому

    Cheddar man we love you

  • @DanSmith-x2p
    @DanSmith-x2p 25 днів тому

    Good stuff

  • @carstentiede
    @carstentiede 14 днів тому

    well that was interesting...

  • @becomeunreasonable7508
    @becomeunreasonable7508 18 днів тому +1

    I agree with your conclusion but the arguments are a little hard to follow and sometimes contradictory, I'd like to see this re-done when you develop your philosophy further in the future, good video overall tho

  • @angelavery3840
    @angelavery3840 27 днів тому

    This is good

  • @jaspernewcombe7502
    @jaspernewcombe7502 12 днів тому

    Brutalism refers to raw concrete

  • @gregboi183
    @gregboi183 13 днів тому

    There is no true religion.
    The greater cause is ourselves

  • @soffren
    @soffren 26 днів тому +2

    I leave you alone for a year, and now your knock off pilgrims pass

    • @aguspuig6615
      @aguspuig6615 25 днів тому +1

      hey i wouldnt say knockoff this was a really good video, we got pilgrims past two wich im all for

  • @echoshatter
    @echoshatter 22 дні тому +2

    Except nothing is monolithic to the point that you can't customize it. The Ring doorbell for example - you can buy or make covers for it to make it your own, even though the fundamental device itself is unchanged.
    This whole video acts as though modern design is bad. It isn't, it's simplistic. It's up to you to make it what you want. Take cars for example - for the most part they all look the same, and part of that is because there are idealized shapes that are aerodynamic and it's required to have certain fuel economy by law. But there's nothing to say you can't decorate inside or out so long as what you do is safe. Many of the shapes and designs we have today are (1) required by the law, such as building codes for houses resulting in a lot of generic living boxes, and/or (2) required by the technology, such as flat panels for TVs, laptops, phones, etc. All of this also factors in cost effectiveness to produce the most for the least cost to get it into the hands of everyone, and then also to have a design that is as least offensive as possible to appeal to the most people.
    There's nothing about not making it your own. Adorn your laptop with stickers, add decorative elements to your house, etc. etc.

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 17 днів тому

    YES!

  • @Panzeroflake
    @Panzeroflake 27 днів тому

    a blessing from the lord!

  • @MidwitObservations
    @MidwitObservations 10 днів тому

    Shiveres for every unsc ship name. Do they slap that hard for people who didn't play halo.
    When I hear those names I get chilles

  • @ramielbestgirl
    @ramielbestgirl 15 днів тому +2

    17:01 not the Signalis music

  • @dagon99
    @dagon99 27 днів тому

    nice.

  • @loganlee1796
    @loganlee1796 19 днів тому

    Curious if youll do analysis of other scify like star wars(plenty of groups that are similar philosophies to warhammer like the bugs that made the vulture droid)

  • @Shashu_the_little_Voidling
    @Shashu_the_little_Voidling 15 днів тому

    Ah, sci-fi, the most religious genre

  • @juhel5531
    @juhel5531 23 дні тому +1

    Maybe I'm just weird but I LOVE the sterile beauty of 3 star and above hotels. All clean lines, different textures of black, white and grey, red/gold trim, spotless waterlike glass and zero visual clutter.
    It's the oppressive sterile haughty beauty that does something for me. It reminds me of when your gf wears fancy clothes and dolls herself up for a date at a fancy place. You are not meant to live in this state. It's a Romantic delusion meant to break up the monotony of everyday life. It's strategic infatuation meant to make you believe the best in yourself and your s/o. Buildings with this sterile design makes you long for the same perfection unobtainable but the process of trying redeems you.

  • @gonkdroidFN
    @gonkdroidFN 27 днів тому +3

    balls

  • @thegoodstuf1663
    @thegoodstuf1663 26 днів тому

    And like that you have a subscriber

  • @RealCodreX
    @RealCodreX 25 днів тому +3

    Modernism and present day industrialism has its own beauty and soul, it is just in another another form.
    And that is because art and our perception of beauty and soul constantly changes. Therefore, a microscope, or modernism as you called it, lets us understand the very foundation of the world and helps us to use it for both good and beauty. It is the only one of your tools that managed to understand the root of problems as well as being capable of creatin new seeds of what we cherrish!
    Also, the hope a building conveys is determined by the purpose the builders believed in when constructing the it.
    A church will give hope to a Christian, but not to a Muslim. Yet a police station will deliver it to both.
    And lastly, I would like to call put brutalism for being the only architecture that does not tell lies but it is a direct mirror of civilization and shows us our very own humanity, or rather, the declining love, socialims and lack of it.

    • @nbr3795
      @nbr3795 21 день тому +2

      Im a muslim yet seeing a church would fill me with hope too. It brings me hope to see monuments of faith despite it coming from other religion. Brings me hope to see some people still belive.
      Police station might give me a sense of security, but unless im running from danger, it would not give me hope.

    • @runajain5773
      @runajain5773 16 днів тому

      ​@@nbr3795yeh every religious building regardless what artecture like we christain chruh cathedral to muslim masjid or mosque to hindu temple to Buddha stupah to east asia religious shrine which unique in their way

  • @robeseller6530
    @robeseller6530 24 дні тому

    CEO kings? dude XD ...

  • @giarnovanzeijl399
    @giarnovanzeijl399 16 днів тому +1

    I actually like the abstract, sleek, geometric designs of the modern world. You say it is "dead" and soulless in its sterility and I get that. But to me, that too is it's own kind of symbol. One of a world we have conquered, where we are the ultimate arbiters of what is. Not the individual, ofc. But humanity in the most abstract sense.
    The thing about symbols is that they can and do, always get remade and reforged. New symbols can be forged from what once was meaningless. To me, that too is part of what it means to be "human."
    As for the microscope? It is a form of triumph. We find the truth beneath and piece together the whole from the clues. A puzzle coming ever closer to completion. It is the beauty of clockwork. An intricate machine ticking in perfect synch with itself. In spite of all that would deny it. World conquered, remade in the image of our will.

    • @ant-i6g
      @ant-i6g 16 днів тому

      I say the true lovers of republics are not populism but bureaucrats who adore its efficiency if they were populism they would be democracies which has a iffy record

    • @giarnovanzeijl399
      @giarnovanzeijl399 16 днів тому

      @anthonyle1838 i think you got the wrong comment bud.