Appreciate you putting this video up. I made one for my Feelfree Lure v2 11.5. Works like a champ. Making a rod holding rack that will be mounted laterally. Beers to you.
This is an interesting build... Similar to others on UA-cam that show PVC as the method of support. I was about to build one for my new Outback but decided to check with Hobie for their take on it. First I read my owner's manual and lo and behold there is a section on storage and transport and they have a diagram and describe this PVC method and strongly discourage it. As a matter of fact they say that if they're recommendations aren't followed it could void the warranty. I decided to follow up with a call to their corporate office in Oceanside to speak to a technical specialist. The person I talked to described this as a "tragic situation". They explained that there had been a number of issues with cracks particularly around the scupper holes that they determine were caused from storage and transport on PVC bunks. They went on to explain that it would sometimes take a year or more for the cracks to develop. Long story short, they strongly recommend against it! Needless to say I'm looking for an alternative method. I hope this information helps others avoid a possible costly mistake.
I’m going to strongly disagree . So after all that research and a phone call what storage solution did Hobie recommend? If it’s upside down storage only then they can have the Hobie back and I’ll go to a different brand altogether. I am NOT flipping the Outback over to store it after every outing , what a waste of time that would be . Hobie is just hurting because of all the warrant claims on cracked hulls especially in the scupper area which in my opinion is almost always caused by the scupper carts , of which I also use . This is my third Outback, my first one I had for 7 years and I stored it on the same style rack , outside , and with snow on top. My next 2 outback’s, including the one I have now have been stored the same but in the garage. Almost every single Hobie dealer stores there display kayaks with this pvc pipe and they sell those floor models eventually. That would automatically void the warranty’s before they even left the shop. I appreciate the concern. I’m going with what has worked for me . Tight lines !
@@nelsonfelixoutdoors6095 I'm glad you haven't had any problems brother... I agree with all your points. I'm not about to go through the trouble of rolling that kayak all the time to store it on its deck. I asked the tech specialist if I could put it on a flat top rolling cart with a 2-in thick gymnastics/yoga style mat topped with some indoor outdoor carpet (so it would slide easily) They did say that would be acceptable. I also asked them about the boondocks t-bone bed extension and they said they hadn't seen any problems with that being used.
@@tresdoobies6581 interesting they said flat storage was ok. I know some have complained about flat spotting the bottom when stored for long periods of time on a flat surface . 🤷🏻♂️
Just bought a used 2022 Outback. I was looking through the instruction manual, and it specifically says not to store the kayak on PVC. Any idea why it would say that? Your storage system looks legit to me. Thanks for sharing.
@@RickRose this has been a discussion amongst the Hobie kayaking community for years now. I’m not sure why they say that. Many of us have never had issues, and if you do some research, I don’t think that you will find a single person that has had an issue with storage this way. I think it may have come from the original outbacks pre scupper reinforcement that may have had issues. But that was before 2012. Most dealers store their display models on PVC runners. You won’t have any issues at all.
@@nelsonfelixoutdoors6095 Thanks. I decided to build out another design that disassembles easily in case I need to pull the car into the garage. I think others would love the dimensions though as this is one of the sturdiest carts I've seen thus far if you've got the space for it.
I am getting ready to build this tomorrow, and the list I came up with, based on his dimensions, is; Wood - Pressure Treated 4" x 6" x 8' - qty 1 - Pressure Treated 2" x 4" x 8' - qty 10 - Pressure Treated 1" x 4" x 8' - qty 6 Screws - Galvanized Lag Bolts - 3/8" x 4" - qty 42 - Galvanized Lag Bolts - 3/8" washers - qty 10 - Galvanized Lag Bolts for wheels - qty 16 - 1 box 3.5" decking screws - 1 small box 2.5" decking screws PVC - 3" X 10' - qty - 2 The only item I am not 100% positive in, are the Galvanized 3/8" x 4" Lag Bolts. I will evaluate while at home Depot and decide while there. Once I get everything and build it out, I will update here, with the exact materials list, in case there are any deviations.
I have the 3 inch Everbilt from Home Depot because it was all I could find at the time. They now have a 4 inch Everbilt with the same size mounting plate as the 3 inch. I haven’t had any issues with the 3 inch at all because my driveway is pretty flat and smooth, but if I were to do it again or had a little rougher terrain to go over I would definitely opt for the 4 inch model.
@@jonathonalanbritton9012 the PVC is spaced 11 1/4 inches center to center . That is the exact measurement of the center of the rear scupper holes on the Hobie Outback.
Nope, not at all. Much more convenient than trying to move around a 120 pound kayak on its own . Keeps it off the floor from being damaged, doesn’t have to be stored on the scupper cart, I keep it to one side of the garage and can move it completely lateral with one hand. The shelf on the bottom store all of my accessories. It’s all pressure-treated so I can rinse and wash while it’s on the cart. It’s easy to work on to install accessories and wiring without the need to alway be bent over . Not to mention the fact that loading and unloading it onto the back of my pick up truck is an absolute breeze Because it is at the exact level of the tailgate.
Hey Kyle, great looks Ng cart, the best I have seen to date and I plan on building one tomorrow. That said, do you recall what size lag bolts you used for connecting the 4 x 6's To the 2 x 4's? I am guessing 3/8" x 4" galvanized lag bolts, but just wanted to double CK. Thanks!
This is a very nice looking cart…good work.
@@jimknott183 thank you
It sure does! I took his design and made one myself. 🙏
Appreciate you putting this video up. I made one for my Feelfree Lure v2 11.5. Works like a champ. Making a rod holding rack that will be mounted laterally. Beers to you.
Thank you !
This is an interesting build... Similar to others on UA-cam that show PVC as the method of support. I was about to build one for my new Outback but decided to check with Hobie for their take on it. First I read my owner's manual and lo and behold there is a section on storage and transport and they have a diagram and describe this PVC method and strongly discourage it. As a matter of fact they say that if they're recommendations aren't followed it could void the warranty. I decided to follow up with a call to their corporate office in Oceanside to speak to a technical specialist. The person I talked to described this as a "tragic situation". They explained that there had been a number of issues with cracks particularly around the scupper holes that they determine were caused from storage and transport on PVC bunks. They went on to explain that it would sometimes take a year or more for the cracks to develop. Long story short, they strongly recommend against it! Needless to say I'm looking for an alternative method. I hope this information helps others avoid a possible costly mistake.
I’m going to strongly disagree . So after all that research and a phone call what storage solution did Hobie recommend? If it’s upside down storage only then they can have the Hobie back and I’ll go to a different brand altogether. I am NOT flipping the Outback over to store it after every outing , what a waste of time that would be . Hobie is just hurting because of all the warrant claims on cracked hulls especially in the scupper area which in my opinion is almost always caused by the scupper carts , of which I also use . This is my third Outback, my first one I had for 7 years and I stored it on the same style rack , outside , and with snow on top. My next 2 outback’s, including the one I have now have been stored the same but in the garage. Almost every single Hobie dealer stores there display kayaks with this pvc pipe and they sell those floor models eventually. That would automatically void the warranty’s before they even left the shop. I appreciate the concern. I’m going with what has worked for me . Tight lines !
@@nelsonfelixoutdoors6095 I'm glad you haven't had any problems brother... I agree with all your points. I'm not about to go through the trouble of rolling that kayak all the time to store it on its deck. I asked the tech specialist if I could put it on a flat top rolling cart with a 2-in thick gymnastics/yoga style mat topped with some indoor outdoor carpet (so it would slide easily) They did say that would be acceptable. I also asked them about the boondocks t-bone bed extension and they said they hadn't seen any problems with that being used.
@@tresdoobies6581 interesting they said flat storage was ok. I know some have complained about flat spotting the bottom when stored for long periods of time on a flat surface . 🤷🏻♂️
Excellent so smart 😄thank you for the video.
Thank you for watching !
Just built this today, works great. The only thing I messed up, I wish I’d have cut the length the to make it 96” total instead of 99.5”
Just bought a used 2022 Outback. I was looking through the instruction manual, and it specifically says not to store the kayak on PVC. Any idea why it would say that? Your storage system looks legit to me. Thanks for sharing.
@@RickRose this has been a discussion amongst the Hobie kayaking community for years now. I’m not sure why they say that. Many of us have never had issues, and if you do some research, I don’t think that you will find a single person that has had an issue with storage this way. I think it may have come from the original outbacks pre scupper reinforcement that may have had issues. But that was before 2012. Most dealers store their display models on PVC runners. You won’t have any issues at all.
Really nice build. Do you have the plan? Cut list?
I do not, I just winged it. When I get a free moment I’ll try to get some measurements
@@nelsonfelixoutdoors6095 Thanks. I decided to build out another design that disassembles easily in case I need to pull the car into the garage. I think others would love the dimensions though as this is one of the sturdiest carts I've seen thus far if you've got the space for it.
I am getting ready to build this tomorrow, and the list I came up with, based on his dimensions, is;
Wood
- Pressure Treated 4" x 6" x 8' - qty 1
- Pressure Treated 2" x 4" x 8' - qty 10
- Pressure Treated 1" x 4" x 8' - qty 6
Screws
- Galvanized Lag Bolts - 3/8" x 4" - qty 42
- Galvanized Lag Bolts - 3/8" washers - qty 10
- Galvanized Lag Bolts for wheels - qty 16
- 1 box 3.5" decking screws
- 1 small box 2.5" decking screws
PVC
- 3" X 10' - qty - 2
The only item I am not 100% positive in, are the Galvanized 3/8" x 4" Lag Bolts. I will evaluate while at home Depot and decide while there. Once I get everything and build it out, I will update here, with the exact materials list, in case there are any deviations.
What size casters wheels did you use ?
I have the 3 inch Everbilt from Home Depot because it was all I could find at the time. They now have a 4 inch Everbilt with the same size mounting plate as the 3 inch. I haven’t had any issues with the 3 inch at all because my driveway is pretty flat and smooth, but if I were to do it again or had a little rougher terrain to go over I would definitely opt for the 4 inch model.
Is that schedule 40 pvc
Yes it is
Thank you I have 2x4 for my Bonafide I order a pa14 any issues with pvc on pa14
@@robbiejohnson3698 no issues at all, the pvc offers even weight distribution over the whole Kayak .
How big diameter PVC pipe you use?
3 inch pvc
Thank you so much.
One thing else, how much diameter you place PVC between under hobie outback?
@@jonathonalanbritton9012 I will check when I get home later
@@jonathonalanbritton9012 the PVC is spaced 11 1/4 inches center to center . That is the exact measurement of the center of the rear scupper holes on the Hobie Outback.
@@nelsonfelixoutdoors6095 legend
I thank you so much for all your helping. Appreciate it
How tall are the 4x6 beams cut to and how long is the whole thing, thanks again I'll be building this very soon
I’ll check when I get home later today
The total length is 99 1/2 inches . The total width is 36 inches . The 4x6’s are cut to 23 inches in length .
@@nelsonfelixoutdoors6095 thank you
Nice. Beefier than needed but I get it.
Thanks, definitely overkill but I wanted something that would last, it’s probably going to sit outside most of the spring summer and fall.
Seems like it would be in the way more than a kayak would
Nope, not at all. Much more convenient than trying to move around a 120 pound kayak on its own . Keeps it off the floor from being damaged, doesn’t have to be stored on the scupper cart, I keep it to one side of the garage and can move it completely lateral with one hand. The shelf on the bottom store all of my accessories. It’s all pressure-treated so I can rinse and wash while it’s on the cart. It’s easy to work on to install accessories and wiring without the need to alway be bent over . Not to mention the fact that loading and unloading it onto the back of my pick up truck is an absolute breeze Because it is at the exact level of the tailgate.
Hey Kyle, great looks Ng cart, the best I have seen to date and I plan on building one tomorrow. That said, do you recall what size lag bolts you used for connecting the 4 x 6's To the 2 x 4's? I am guessing 3/8" x 4" galvanized lag bolts, but just wanted to double CK.
Thanks!
4 “ is fine , I’m pretty sure I used 3 1/2 inch Because I wasn’t able to get a bulk box of 4”