I was in the first year of comprehensive schooling, I wasn't a brainy child and if I had been allowed to go to a secondary modern I would have been taught skills to give me a career, I left at 14 with nothing , since then I have loathed the Labour party, especially Shirley William's , they had no idea how much they ruined people's lives
So true. As a teacher I can say, hand on heart, the government's interference in education has brought nothing but a dumbing down for pupils of all types.
I was in the penultimate year of those who took, and passed, the '11+' and so had the opportunity to attend one of the last grammar schools. I have never considered myself to be anything other than 'left-of-centre' politically, and have only recently appreciated how fortunate I was to have had that standard of education as a teenager. I now feel very distrustfull of anyone describing themselves as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing' in politics and prefer to judge them on their actions/narratives. I have no time for 'organised politics' any more than I have for 'organised religions'. We are all capable of having an opinion on how things should be run. Not sure what that makes me (politically)? - and, more importantly, I don't really care. I love most people and will continue to do what I consider to be best for them and myself. :-)
@@wmatth8750 When I first started teaching in the 1970s, apart from a few silly ideas about classrooms (some on split levels, for instance!), education was still chiefly traditional which meant teachers did not have to go through any government hoops, so to speak.
Comprehensive schools were diabolical. They were one or two years behind secondary modern schools academically .The secondary modern school I attended taught French, was advanced in maths and English and also had the chance to do woodwork, metalwork and technical drawing and horticulture. Sadly I had to leave and go to a comprehensive. I told the maths teacher a better way of doing simultaneous equations that I had learnt in sec. modern. No woodwork,metal work,technical drawing or horticulture. There was no encouragement to go to higher education. I left at 15 but still managed to make a very good living on my own merits.
Life is all about sacrifice, let introduce you to someone who helped me manifest my lover back within few day's, he's a genius. He'll help you out okay,
The consequences of the destruction of Great Britain's non graduate technical education over the past 40 years was clearly exhibited by the inability of the manufacturing sector to produce something as trivial as face masks. We are in the same situation as we were in the 1950s but there is no Percy Committee to remedy the situation.
Sadly and is very much something Bliar is guilty of and is even worse now is the deliberate dumbing down of children's education, a fact I saw in the 1980/90s as a teacher from industry (i.e. The Long March) by the overt indoctrination in schools. We see this so well in the Twitter habit of comments often being of no more than 14 words, very few documentaries or speakers talking for more than 5 mins on the TV, very little dialogue between two actors for more than a minute. After leaving teaching I took it up again as a private tutor for 10 years and each year I saw a very perceivable decline in the intelligence of my A-Level students. When before I could make jokes, refer to, use as an example in regard to history, films, politics or even just general knowledge I found a total lack of understanding or knowing of what once was the norm, THAT IS WHY, very few young adults (who I call Adultchilds under the age of 35) would have the staying power required to concentrate and be interested in two people talking for 45 mins. Sadly those days have gone and we are going to be as a race far worse for it.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 Christopher Hitchens played to the social Darwinist crowd, and self-identifying "brights" who thought themselves above the common herd. Peter recognises shortcomings in everyone, including himself, something CH was incapable of.
He is also calls Powell a racist, and whilst he accept that most of UK is white and has an indengious population, he wants integration. It seems to be a redline that he won't cross.
He lets the interviewee take centre stage. He accepts being interrupted and graciously allows them to fragment his every utterance. Quiet, clever and assured. Bravo.
The number of times I had to pause this and let what Hitchens had said sink in. The fall of the Berlin Wall liberated the left; they were the first to escape....being one example among many. Fantastic interview.
@@DiscoDrew his brother Christophe Hitchens was a million times more eloquent and intelligent than Peter who is lesser and inferior to him in every way from looks, intelligence, charisma, likability, humour, influence and anything else you can think of. His brother Christopher Hitchens is a superior man
I can't agree with Mr Hitchens about Blair. He may well have been a Marxist or a Trotskyist but the overriding fact is that he was and is a self-serving, narrow-minded charlatan. There was nothing constructive or useful about Blair's premiership. He was a completely destructive force who poisoned everything he touched. The biggest difference between him and Margaret Thatcher is that she did a lot of damage while trying to do something constructive. Blair did so much damage because he was completely incompetent and deluded. I don't recall ever meeting a Marxist or Trotskyist who boasted "I don't do history". Blair's obvious contempt for history is interesting, as it corresponds nicely with his open contempt for this country, and it makes it all the more amusing that he often claims that "History will judge". His hypocrisy is bad enough, but when you combine that with his total insensitivity and selective memory, he's not the sort of person to trust with anything. His premiership will forever be a stain on the history of the Labour Party, and a damning indictment of this country and its electorate.
@@whatwhat678 she devastated our manufacturing industry, causing mass unemployment, which wasn't her aim but it was a consequence of her policies designed to control inflation, which hit 18% at one point.
@@A-Man79 I used to be very conflicted about her interventions on manufacturing and couldn’t figure out a solution. Having thought it through, and with the benefit of having lived in impoverished and highly corrupt countries, I realised there are similarities they have with developed societies. Governments tend to get in the way, and their influence over commerce is highly distorting to the economy and the source of all layers and layers of unintended consequences which lead to more measures with further unintended consequences. Conclusion, government needs to get out of the way. The POWER to regulate commerce is a direct cause of corruption and cronyism. And the welfare state is the vehicle governments use to deliver us carrots so that we shut up and comply.
Thank you Peter whittle for having the wonderful Peter Hitchens again in your channel, and sooooo good to have you both talking this Sunday evening!!! I love listening to Peter and always take time to watch talk radio on a Monday afternoon when he's with the jolly Mike Graham Paula in sussex
Always enjoying listening to Peter, unlike so many politicians, cebs and so-called deep thinkers he 'truly' is, (old school) obviously incredibly educated, very deep thinking and a brilliant observationist.
@@bradthompson5383 I think you would find that Peter Hitchens and other "incredibly educated, very deep thinking and a brilliant observationist" people if they made the statement someone was a coward they would give evidence of their reason for saying such about him and his brother. Also having my self when young in the RAF being shot at when in Cyprus I was petrified and a total coward, and later had my life made hell by my Sgt who was a horrible man, a bully and later got kicked out of the RAF and then ended up in prison. I later in life became a teacher and no way would ever call my self great but I went on and very proud I know I helped and made many troubled teenager's lives much better by ensuring they got good GCSEs and went onto to a better life than if they had not known me. Suggest you read some books, get some knowledge, know people more and rethink that being a coward does not disqualify you from being a great man.
Great interview, as usual. Peter Whittle is a great interviewer, softly spoken, intelligent, educated style. And truth. Such a refreshing change from the narcissistic, self centered, aggressive, propaganda style of the MSM.
I was behind the Iron Curtain for a couple of months, driving a truck back in 1972. I had to keep pinching myself to see if I was awake or dreaming, sometimes suspecting that it was some conspiracy to put on a meticulously produced and directed film-set of a dystopian world. During the time I was there, neither the Munich Olympic massacre nor the catastrophic plane crash with no survivors at Moscow Sheremetyevo airport were reported by Soviet MSM. We got it from the BBC World Service about three weeks before it actually leaked out to the Soviet people. Hand on heart, I literally kissed the ground when I got back to the white cliffs of Dover 🇬🇧 PS: East Germany was the worst, Czechoslovakia the best, and Poland somewhere in between. Poor bastards.
@@Johnny-sj9sj Thanks for revealing your first hand experience, very interesting. My only experience was a Bulgarian summer holiday in 1981 when just 13. I can still vividly remember the grey blandness of Varna, one of their cities. My friend’s mother went over every summer and brought goods ( children’s toys and plastic bottles etc ) which they were overjoyed to receive. It hit home how little they had or could buy.
Most communists would not acknowledge the USSR as socialist, and those who do would deny Hitchens’ characterisation. There are very few committed Marxists who believe that the USSR was both awful and socialist. Anyway, modern radicalism has little to do with Soviet Communism; it’s more Jacobin than anything else. At my university there is far more talk in left-wing circles about racism and gender than capitalism and trades unions.
Peter Hitchens changed his spots and rarely fails to mention it. Yet he seems incapable or unwilling to believe that others who years ago held similar views as himself as a young man have also changed as they've grown old.
@@ianhewitson2738 Fair point. But Hitchens does mention that he will tell the truth about his Marxist past, whereas the Blairites didn't. Hitchens has spoken about the New Labour government destroying m15 files of their marxist pasts. I guess my view on this is, if you have changed your position, why not be open about it? Many of my friends were marxists but have changed their views and will openly tell the truth to anyone who asks.
Karl Marx was an apathetic slug that lived off his family his entire life. Why anyone sane would give a toss about anything he said, wrote or thought is beyond me.
well if what hitchens says is correct, then i'd say regardless of his personal qualities then a study of his works is crucial. since he said that marxism conveys an unparalleled realistic & successful aproach to politics & getting things done
An excellent interview: rich, deep history and insight. Blair did so much damage to this country therefore we must never allowed Labour to govern anymore.
It's not Labour. It's the entire ruling class. Johnson is sat up in #10 with his 24 hour on site police presence. While girls are raped at knife point just outside. Don't expect anything to change as long as this is permitted.
I still have my Gt Grandfather's exam papers from 1865, when he was aged 12. University of Cambridge, Junior Students English Grammar "When is a noun in the nominative state absolute, give a sentence with an example" Geography, " On a journey from London to Newcastle by sea, what counties and important towns and estuaries would you pass?" I find that 99% of adults I ask today have no clue unless they google it.
The British left has made a pact with Islam. This was tried by Hitler during WW2 with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalm. We have seen some tangible results of that in Tower Hamlets. We have also got a similar episode in London with the Mayor.
Blair said he would introduce policies that cannot be reversed, he was right. He was asked once what he regretted the most during his time in office, without hesitation he said introducing the freedom of information act. Not, you will notice, the invasion of Iraq. That's the sort of bloke he is.
Blair launched his career on the safest Labour seat, Hartlepool, and now, guess what Hartlepool is Conservative. Ha ha ha. Edit: Thanks for the correction everyone. See on.
A truely excellent presentation. I agree 100% with the views expressed on education - we tried the "one school for all" and it has failed. So we need a return to selection. You cannot mix Trevor Clever with Tim Dim. I have experienced this in the Netherlands. We need to re-enact the 1944 education act. I also liked the summary of his political analysis - Peter Hitchens is a graduate of politics (from York I think) and his widespread travel and experience, combined with this, is a wisdom we should all hear and reflect on. The fact he admits to changing his mind, rather than doggedly to continue with his earlier views, shows a thinker and one learning through experience. I look foreward to more discussions. Thanks.
I agree with the other comments. Thank you a very informative channel , aimed at an audience searching for knowledge and insight. A true breath of fresh air .
Because I've normally seen him debating (often taking a difficult position) I hadn't realised what an incredibly interesting bloke Peter Hitchens is. This relaxed discussion style was a great format for him and allowed for what I suspect is a genuine warmth to come across.
I saw the collapse coming when a pilot defected with a Mig to Japan and it turned out to be made of steel when at the time in the West, hobbyists could get titanium screw sets for their Tamiya R/C model racing cars.
Is that a myth? I remember climbing in the Andes in the mid 90s. Russian titanium ice screws were well known. Much sought after. I suppose all the titanium might have been diverted to ice screw production? Nylon was known as Russian Gore Tex. I read.
There was a reason why steel was used. The Russians are not fools. The British used steel in the 50s and 60s on some of their really advanced missile systems.
One feels cheated over the last 25 years, felt the change, the New Labour had the agenda set to where we are now. At least things are changing again as people wake up. Interesting intelligent conversation. Thank you.
"In every generation utopianism has to be destroyed or endured" I'd never conceived utopianism is an inevitability before. I suppose the older I get the more I realise society is a constant maintenance project with continual assessment, analysis and minor correction to keep it from falling into absolute chaos!
As always, intelligent and informative conversation between courteous people - such a rarity now. I would like to hear a more detailed, forensic analysis of Blair's destructive legacy and its continuing damage to the UK, especially as his fan boys and girls in the MSM continue to report the views of 'the Master'.
I remember the night Blair was elected in 97. There was something about him that made me think - you'd better be for real, if you're not, we are in such trouble. Then, a few months later, he was launching military strikes in the Balkans, his eyes shining as he announced it. Then I knew. ps: I actually visited pre Glasnost Moscow. There were rich and poor, just like here.
No British commentator has been as brave, as regards covid and it's consequences, as Peter Hitchens. I'm glad I lived to see him finally get his due, but if only we had listened before the tipping point.
But he was actually “coerced” into taking the injection. Coerced by his own choice. I respect him in general but was very disappointed with his caving.
Brave? Fanciful hyperbole. Brave right up until the point that he caved in and volunteered for the globalists’ compliance jab. He has an excellent mind but he’s a long long way from brave.
On a personal note I very much wish the Huxley/Orwell project emanating from the USA would collapse in a similar manner to the Soviet Union. Ps Surely one of the Negative things to come out of the Enlightenment period onwards was the abundance theories. How many of these theories actually practically work in real life. Pps Peter is spot on about the Radicals of the French Revolution and the forces unleashed.
Just a thought re poverty, education and social mobility. I've read many biographies and autobiographies of people from humble backgrounds who attained fame and fortune. They all say things like "my Mum,or my Dad,or both qualified to go to the grammar school but they were poor so they had to go to work in the local factory" (when there was local factories,lol). So in the early 20th century there was this huge working class of highly intelligent people who often did art,or poetry or other intellectual stuff on the side while slogging away at t'mill to feed their family. By the 1960s their kids or grandchildren had benefited from the Education Act and all made that hugely creative outpouring of the 1960s and ended up rich and famous or if not that certainly middle class and affluent. What I'm postulating is - has everyone from a working class background who could rise,done so,are the poor people of today, erroneously called "the working class" the stupid ones,the lesser brain power ones and I have to include myself in this category. Also why is "social mobility" only having a well paid job. I consider myself sort of upwardly socially mobile,lol,in that I enjoy theatre(when allowed),I listen to Classical Music,I cook sophisticated food rather than fish fingers,mashed potato and baked beans all things that to my intense frustration I kept being told as a kid "People like us don't do things like that". I hated being People Like Us,I wanted to be People Like Them. I do think that ultimately the 1960s did a lot of damage and I am one of the casualties. Like "she is warm hearted and sexually generous,you are a whore". Non judgmental,don't make me laugh. Well that's my theory the poor of today are the dregs.
i've been banned form twitter , about 6 months ago for posting information about Ivermectin . i posted this and asked The NHS why Ivermectin isn't being used , then i was banned . i've been put on the naught y step by FB a few times too , for the same reason . onwards and upwards !
There has been and will be a similar situation in the United States, where the Left is very close and shares much of its origin with the international Left, going back to FDR and arguably before that. It is politically inopportune for them to acknowledge this, so they do not.
There is certainly connection between CRT and Marxism via Frankfurt school, and Horkheimer and Marcuse in particular. What they called "critical theory" branched out into CRT as well as later feminism/gender studies, queer theory and so forth. I am sure modern transgender activism also comes from the same mould as just another oppressed class to be ruled by the revolutionaries.
A loss to the Satanic faction. He did a lot of damage with his attacks on Christianity. He wanted to destroy Christianity but had nothing to offer . I never liked the man. He was an apologist for Trotsky until his dying day.
Peter Whittle is strange interviewer. There are many cases during these NCF interviews where he doesn't pick up on what the interviewee says and continue in a conversational manner. He often simply replies 'hmmnn' and then goes to the next, presumably set, question. An example here was the segment regarding the power of the church and religion in Soviet Russia. Hitchens stated that the Soviet authorities did all that they could to undermine the influence of Christian values and then soon after points out that the church was in no position to challenge the police/military grip on power that the state had. I was urging PW to follow up by asking why, then, the Soviet regime were so worried about church involvement in social issues if there was no threat posed. this often happens in PWs interviews and often leaves me feeling a little frustrsted
You could make all these points until the cows come home. It won't turn back the tide. The whole country is now infested with it and people are too dumbed-down and emotional to respond to alternative views.
Always a pleasure to listen to Peter . A man of profound wisdom and knowledge , with the ability to say what most of us are thinking . His references to education in this country is totally right . The government intervention to fix a problem that never existed was a turning point from which we have never recovered .The whole premise of the change to the state schools system was based on equality , and had very little to do with quality. May I say this is in no way a criticism of teachers. They have been used as political footballs from years , when successive governments have meddled with education and found out things are not working out as expected, they invariably blame the teachers. So here we all are again suffering from yet more government intervention and miss management . One wonders at what point the Penney will drop, and they realise the mess they have got us into .
I'm wondering I've met Peter years ago in Norfolk at a workers take over of a handbag factory, when he was the High Priest of International Socialism ...... Before it became Socialist Workers Party.....
Peter Hitchens might want to review his vacks decision after he hears what Dr Mike Yeadon has to say [Planet Lockdown, recent interview, available at various sites but not here, so a non-goolag search is necessary - try brighteon dot com], and similarly what Dr Sucharit Bhakdi has to say at Jeff Rense’s channel on Bit shoot [sp.].
Yes and the funny thing is Peter often quoted/commented on Sucharit and how he had virtually been silenced at the beginning of all this rubbish despite being a top specialist in Germany. He obviously didn't choose to listen to Sucharit regarding the vaccines!!!!!
Remarkable to see Mr Hitchens' observation (at 21:10 ) about the bad treatment of British Loyalists during the American Revolution. As a Canadian, this point of view is remarkable because it is exceedingly rare to see a British person who is aware of this, and aware of the essentially violent, even barbaric and revolutionary quality of the beginnings of the United States. Perhaps the persecution of British Loyalists is only taught in Canada and not in Britain.
Like Peter Whittle I went to a local Grammar school which then went Comprehensive and my education suffered. I did Sociology which was a new subject back then and obviously political, I hated it and wished I'd chosen Economics instead.
he is wrong about the origins of CRT, it is unequivocally marxist based and a derivative of that philosophical school of thought, the links in the chain are quite clear, marxism, intersectionalism, CRT.
I find it very heartwarming that we have someone with the intellect of Peter Hitchens in our society. We ignore and beguile what he says at our ultimate peril. Sadly, the majority of us simply don't understand what he's talking about. To those people I suggest...........get educated. He is a modern day icon without the obsession of taking control of us.
Tony Blair and his left wing cronies banned me hunting with my dogs and I'm a working class bloke. And use to vote LABOUR not any more you hurt me and I remember it .
Always thought this. Unlike Mr K Mr B was good at it. What happened in 04 with "the few thousand Poles over 10 - 15 years" is probably more responsible for brexit than anything else! Compared to most comment posters here I'm probably a bit of a lefty/liberal. Not I hope a stupid one. I could probably describe why "socialism" doesn't work. All the old "equality of poverty" arguments. But. I still think the basic "fuel" is not unworkable ideology.....but the sheer injustice in the world 🌎. People are homeless 🙄 but nobody ever looks at all the outbuildings in a detached house in the English speaking world. Don't worry I won't be silly and advocate that people move in with you. The trick is realising that some things are worth being conserved and others changed. There I've been safely silly.
@king offa I am supposed to disagree with you at this point. But won't as I think your correct lol 😆. The logical end of "diversity" is of course the end of all that's diverse about human culture's. This is the distillation of irony 🙄. In practice it would of course end after "western" civilisation was destroyed 😳..... ....Islam and the Chinese having a good laugh 😆. About the "gender" thing. I think there are only two....and poor 😢 sods who need help. Rather than encoragment. The problem is of course that we go down the path of "ethno nationalism". Never be very popular in the English speaking world. As Orwell said "someone would laugh". As the legion of race warrior's marched past an old English lady would shout "they look like nice boys! I wonder if they polish each others helmets?"....and the old glaswegian man "away and work!!". Perhaps the answer is hidden in John Steinbecks book "sweet Thursday". Two white guys talking about a Chinese American freind who has left "....you know mack Lee Chong won't be happy among all them foreigners".
Tha jab, hopefully, won't be your Waterloo, Peter...I fear you should have been guided by the old Belgian saying..'he who waits, is happiest...chin chin....a...😎
Peter Hitchens says that Critical Race Theory, CRT, is NOT a 'race-based version of Marxist ideology.'' However, in the lecture, The Marxist Roots of DEI - Session 1: on ''Equity'', James Lindsay expounds the view that it IS a version of Marxism, and that it is an important element of Diversity, Equality ( Equity) and Inclusion.
I was in the first year of comprehensive schooling, I wasn't a brainy child and if I had been allowed to go to a secondary modern I would have been taught skills to give me a career, I left at 14 with nothing , since then I have loathed the Labour party, especially Shirley William's , they had no idea how much they ruined people's lives
So true. As a teacher I can say, hand on heart, the government's interference in education has brought nothing but a dumbing down for pupils of all types.
I was in the penultimate year of those who took, and passed, the '11+' and so had the opportunity to attend one of the last grammar schools. I have never considered myself to be anything other than 'left-of-centre' politically, and have only recently appreciated how fortunate I was to have had that standard of education as a teenager.
I now feel very distrustfull of anyone describing themselves as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing' in politics and prefer to judge them on their actions/narratives. I have no time for 'organised politics' any more than I have for 'organised religions'. We are all capable of having an opinion on how things should be run. Not sure what that makes me (politically)? - and, more importantly, I don't really care. I love most people and will continue to do what I consider to be best for them and myself. :-)
And when she died, she got a great send off from the BBC
@@wmatth8750 When I first started teaching in the 1970s, apart from a few silly ideas about classrooms (some on split levels, for instance!), education was still chiefly traditional which meant teachers did not have to go through any government hoops, so to speak.
Comprehensive schools were diabolical. They were one or two years behind secondary modern schools academically .The secondary modern school I attended taught French, was advanced in maths and English and also had the chance to do woodwork, metalwork and technical drawing and horticulture. Sadly I had to leave and go to a comprehensive. I told the maths teacher a better way of doing simultaneous equations that I had learnt in sec. modern. No woodwork,metal work,technical drawing or horticulture. There was no encouragement to go to higher education. I left at 15 but still managed to make a very good living on my own merits.
Thank you gentlemen. And thank you Peter Whittle for providing us with such an excellent channel.
You’ve taken the words right out of my finger.
Life is all about sacrifice, let introduce you to someone who helped me manifest my lover back within few day's, he's a genius. He'll help you out okay,
@@fezmancomments Must’ve been while you were... er, better not go there.
The consequences of the destruction of Great Britain's non graduate technical education over the past 40 years was clearly exhibited by the inability of the manufacturing sector to produce something as trivial as face masks. We are in the same situation as we were in the 1950s but there is no Percy Committee to remedy the situation.
Yes indeed.
Pity this channel hasn’t more subscribers
This content needs as much viewing as possible.
I tried sharing on Gab but though it goes through it disappears when you post it.
Is this further evidence of social media censorship?
Sadly and is very much something Bliar is guilty of and is even worse now is the deliberate dumbing down of children's education, a fact I saw in the 1980/90s as a teacher from industry (i.e. The Long March) by the overt indoctrination in schools. We see this so well in the Twitter habit of comments often being of no more than 14 words, very few documentaries or speakers talking for more than 5 mins on the TV, very little dialogue between two actors for more than a minute. After leaving teaching I took it up again as a private tutor for 10 years and each year I saw a very perceivable decline in the intelligence of my A-Level students. When before I could make jokes, refer to, use as an example in regard to history, films, politics or even just general knowledge I found a total lack of understanding or knowing of what once was the norm, THAT IS WHY, very few young adults (who I call Adultchilds under the age of 35) would have the staying power required to concentrate and be interested in two people talking for 45 mins. Sadly those days have gone and we are going to be as a race far worse for it.
Needs to be on GB News.
@@wakeupuk3860 Thank you for writing so clearly about this. I grieve for what we as a nation have lost.
The reason this channel doesn't have more subscribers has nothing to do with 'censorship, but simply this.... most people just DON'T CARE.
"I don't want to misquote you."
"Don't let it worry you; everyone else does.'
Made me smile.
Replacement isn't a Conspiracy Theory, it's maths.
Weird how the lesser Hitchens grows on me more every year....
Because he was never lesser than his brother he’s just been more humble than Christopher was
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 Christopher Hitchens played to the social Darwinist crowd, and self-identifying "brights" who thought themselves above the common herd. Peter recognises shortcomings in everyone, including himself, something CH was incapable of.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 is he also gay?
He is also calls Powell a racist, and whilst he accept that most of UK is white and has an indengious population, he wants integration. It seems to be a redline that he won't cross.
@@thegoodthebadandtheugly579 .... what relevance does that have to this thoughtful and civilized conversation?
Peter Whittle is a fantastic and gracious interviewer.
He has the air of a gay William Buckley with a slightly less impressive vocabulary
He lets the interviewee take centre stage. He accepts being interrupted and graciously allows them to fragment his every utterance. Quiet, clever and assured. Bravo.
The number of times I had to pause this and let what Hitchens had said sink in. The fall of the Berlin Wall liberated the left; they were the first to escape....being one example among many. Fantastic interview.
You should read Edmund Burke if you haven’t already. Still as relevant today as he was in the 18th century.
@@abrahamblankfein5042 That quote about the noisy grasshoppers in the field...rings so true.
Exactly. I’m more interested in learning from former Marxist’s than today’s subscribers.
His brother Christopher was just as eloquent on this matter.
@@DiscoDrew his brother Christophe Hitchens was a million times more eloquent and intelligent than Peter who is lesser and inferior to him in every way from looks, intelligence, charisma, likability, humour, influence and anything else you can think of. His brother Christopher Hitchens is a superior man
@@powerbite92 I enjoy counter positions and you provide a very insightful one about PH.
I can't agree with Mr Hitchens about Blair. He may well have been a Marxist or a Trotskyist but the overriding fact is that he was and is a self-serving, narrow-minded charlatan. There was nothing constructive or useful about Blair's premiership. He was a completely destructive force who poisoned everything he touched. The biggest difference between him and Margaret Thatcher is that she did a lot of damage while trying to do something constructive. Blair did so much damage because he was completely incompetent and deluded.
I don't recall ever meeting a Marxist or Trotskyist who boasted "I don't do history". Blair's obvious contempt for history is interesting, as it corresponds nicely with his open contempt for this country, and it makes it all the more amusing that he often claims that "History will judge". His hypocrisy is bad enough, but when you combine that with his total insensitivity and selective memory, he's not the sort of person to trust with anything. His premiership will forever be a stain on the history of the Labour Party, and a damning indictment of this country and its electorate.
What is the worst thing thatched did, in your view? I’m genuinely curious.
@@whatwhat678 she devastated our manufacturing industry, causing mass unemployment, which wasn't her aim but it was a consequence of her policies designed to control inflation, which hit 18% at one point.
@@A-Man79 I used to be very conflicted about her interventions on manufacturing and couldn’t figure out a solution. Having thought it through, and with the benefit of having lived in impoverished and highly corrupt countries, I realised there are similarities they have with developed societies. Governments tend to get in the way, and their influence over commerce is highly distorting to the economy and the source of all layers and layers of unintended consequences which lead to more measures with further unintended consequences.
Conclusion, government needs to get out of the way. The POWER to regulate commerce is a direct cause of corruption and cronyism. And the welfare state is the vehicle governments use to deliver us carrots so that we shut up and comply.
At the end of the day they're both corporatists and so is the current lot.
Blair later turned Catholic which is interesting. Perhaps to atone for his misdeeds.
Thank you Peter whittle for having the wonderful Peter Hitchens again in your channel, and sooooo good to have you both talking this Sunday evening!!! I love listening to Peter and always take time to watch talk radio on a Monday afternoon when he's with the jolly Mike Graham Paula in sussex
This is exactly what is happening in New Zealand and I don't think NZ will ever recover from it.
Always enjoying listening to Peter, unlike so many politicians, cebs and so-called deep thinkers he 'truly' is, (old school) obviously incredibly educated, very deep thinking and a brilliant observationist.
@@bradthompson5383 I think you would find that Peter Hitchens and other "incredibly educated, very deep thinking and a brilliant observationist" people if they made the statement someone was a coward they would give evidence of their reason for saying such about him and his brother. Also having my self when young in the RAF being shot at when in Cyprus I was petrified and a total coward, and later had my life made hell by my Sgt who was a horrible man, a bully and later got kicked out of the RAF and then ended up in prison. I later in life became a teacher and no way would ever call my self great but I went on and very proud I know I helped and made many troubled teenager's lives much better by ensuring they got good GCSEs and went onto to a better life than if they had not known me. Suggest you read some books, get some knowledge, know people more and rethink that being a coward does not disqualify you from being a great man.
I used to consider myself a Marxist. What changed my mind? Facts.
Same here.
My family in America are liberals I am hoping they search and find the truth and be liberated.
Well I'm a tankie; where did u get this from that liberals appeal to Marxism?
@@s33lu tabloids.
What facts?
Great interview, as usual. Peter Whittle is a great interviewer, softly spoken, intelligent, educated style. And truth. Such a refreshing change from the narcissistic, self centered, aggressive, propaganda style of the MSM.
His description of living in the USSR is the most revealing, a must listen for every strident Communist and a warning to us all.
I was behind the Iron Curtain for a couple of months, driving a truck back in 1972. I had to keep pinching myself to see if I was awake or dreaming, sometimes suspecting that it was some conspiracy to put on a meticulously produced and directed film-set of a dystopian world. During the time I was there, neither the Munich Olympic massacre nor the catastrophic plane crash with no survivors at Moscow Sheremetyevo airport were reported by Soviet MSM. We got it from the BBC World Service about three weeks before it actually leaked out to the Soviet people. Hand on heart, I literally kissed the ground when I got back to the white cliffs of Dover 🇬🇧
PS: East Germany was the worst, Czechoslovakia the best, and Poland somewhere in between. Poor bastards.
Read his book the Rage Against God it’s excellent on that subject
@@Johnny-sj9sj Thanks for revealing your first hand experience, very interesting. My only experience was a Bulgarian summer holiday in 1981 when just 13. I can still vividly remember the grey blandness of Varna, one of their cities. My friend’s mother went over every summer and brought goods ( children’s toys and plastic bottles etc ) which they were overjoyed to receive. It hit home how little they had or could buy.
@@seanmoran6510 Will do, unless Amazon haven’t cancelled it for ‘wrongthink’.
Most communists would not acknowledge the USSR as socialist, and those who do would deny Hitchens’ characterisation.
There are very few committed Marxists who believe that the USSR was both awful and socialist.
Anyway, modern radicalism has little to do with Soviet Communism; it’s more Jacobin than anything else. At my university there is far more talk in left-wing circles about racism and gender than capitalism and trades unions.
I love hearing from Peter on the topics like these. As a former Marxist who has lived in the soviet union he has a unique perspective on these issues.
Peter Hitchens changed his spots and rarely fails to mention it. Yet he seems incapable or unwilling to believe that others who years ago held similar views as himself as a young man have also changed as they've grown old.
@@ianhewitson2738 Fair point. But Hitchens does mention that he will tell the truth about his Marxist past, whereas the Blairites didn't. Hitchens has spoken about the New Labour government destroying m15 files of their marxist pasts. I guess my view on this is, if you have changed your position, why not be open about it? Many of my friends were marxists but have changed their views and will openly tell the truth to anyone who asks.
A fascinating, informative and thought-provoking conversation, gentlemen: thank you very much.
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Great to hear you Peter a good interview.
Mr Whittle does us all a service with his continued scrutiny of the wretched Mr Khan.
Salute, Mr Whittle.
Whittle & Hitchens never criticised Prince Andrew
Karl Marx was an apathetic slug that lived off his family his entire life. Why anyone sane would give a toss about anything he said, wrote or thought is beyond me.
It’s because a lot of people follow him & his teachings.
well if what hitchens says is correct, then i'd say regardless of his personal qualities then a study of his works is crucial. since he said that marxism conveys an unparalleled realistic & successful aproach to politics & getting things done
An excellent interview: rich, deep history and insight. Blair did so much damage to this country therefore we must never allowed Labour to govern anymore.
It's not Labour. It's the entire ruling class. Johnson is sat up in #10 with his 24 hour on site police presence. While girls are raped at knife point just outside. Don't expect anything to change as long as this is permitted.
So you want a one party state?
We might as well have Labour in power now.
The Conservatives are Blairites themselves; they’re the most popular left-wing party in Britain.
I was a bit disappointed with the British conservative party, once I figured out they are also against God's laws
The fact that this sensible and rational exchange of views risks being taken off social media tells you plainly where we are in the war of ideas.
The problem is the ones who should rethink will not watch it. They live happy in their bubble.
Thank you for this interview!
Two decent men!
I still have my Gt Grandfather's exam papers from 1865, when he was aged 12. University of Cambridge, Junior Students English Grammar
"When is a noun in the nominative state absolute, give a sentence with an example"
Geography, " On a journey from London to Newcastle by sea, what counties and important towns and estuaries would you pass?"
I find that 99% of adults I ask today have no clue unless they google it.
What a great interview. Always nice to hear from Peter Hitchens
Another excellent interview , thank you
Thank you for this marvellous content.
Thought police are here, everyone imagine legging it!
More legislation was introduced between 1997-2010 than 1066-1997 in england and wales.
With UA-cam taking down your videos have you considered adding a channel on Rumble?
The British left has made a pact with Islam. This was tried by Hitler during WW2 with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalm.
We have seen some tangible results of that in Tower Hamlets. We have also got a similar episode in London with the Mayor.
The damage Blair did is something the UK will never recover from.
Blair said he would introduce policies that cannot be reversed, he was right. He was asked once what he regretted the most during his time in office, without hesitation he said introducing the freedom of information act. Not, you will notice, the invasion of Iraq. That's the sort of bloke he is.
Doesn't Peter just spread such joy and optimism with his every utterance?
@@bradthompson5383 "Ooh, spit on me, Christopher. 😍😍😍"
Be as cynical as you can possibly imagine, and then multiply by ten. The world today is far worse than you can even imagine.
Blair launched his career on the safest Labour seat, Hartlepool, and now, guess what Hartlepool is Conservative. Ha ha ha. Edit: Thanks for the correction everyone. See on.
Conservative = Blairite
Wasn't it Sedgefield next door
@@LondonClarinetist Yes, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
Blair was Sedgefield
Mandelson was Hartlepool.
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A truely excellent presentation. I agree 100% with the views expressed on education - we tried the "one school for all" and it has failed. So we need a return to selection. You cannot mix Trevor Clever with Tim Dim. I have experienced this in the Netherlands. We need to re-enact the 1944 education act. I also liked the summary of his political analysis - Peter Hitchens is a graduate of politics (from York I think) and his widespread travel and experience, combined with this, is a wisdom we should all hear and reflect on. The fact he admits to changing his mind, rather than doggedly to continue with his earlier views, shows a thinker and one learning through experience. I look foreward to more discussions. Thanks.
I agree with the other comments. Thank you a very informative channel , aimed at an audience searching for knowledge and insight. A true breath of fresh air .
Please post these on Rumble and other alternative platforms. No need to explain why.
Because I've normally seen him debating (often taking a difficult position) I hadn't realised what an incredibly interesting bloke Peter Hitchens is. This relaxed discussion style was a great format for him and allowed for what I suspect is a genuine warmth to come across.
I just wish Peter would be recorded at a level where I could hear what he is saying
Peter Hitchens mumbles to himself, so it’s difficult to listen. It’s a shame.
Headphones help me
Yes, he does seem to descend into a murmur at the end of his sentences.
Headphones.
I tried the headphones but it was worse unfortunately.
I saw the collapse coming when a pilot defected with a Mig to Japan and it turned out to be made of steel when at the time in the West, hobbyists could get titanium screw sets for their Tamiya R/C model racing cars.
I was in Berlin the day before the wall came down waving at the East Berlin guards. The taxi driver I spoke to had no idea it would come down!!!!!
Is that a myth? I remember climbing in the Andes in the mid 90s. Russian titanium ice screws were well known. Much sought after. I suppose all the titanium might have been diverted to ice screw production? Nylon was known as Russian Gore Tex. I read.
@@simonphillips1605 the composition of the Mig-25 is public information go look for yourself, Wikipedia has an entry.
There was a reason why steel was used. The Russians are not fools. The British used steel in the 50s and 60s on some of their really advanced missile systems.
@@clemalford9768 the day before?? are you also the guy who quit the beatles in 1952?
Great interview. What a delight to be able to listen to someone like Peter Hitchens. His experiences and knowledge are priceless.
One feels cheated over the last 25 years, felt the change, the New Labour had the agenda set to where we are now. At least things are changing again as people wake up. Interesting intelligent conversation. Thank you.
i read the conservatives are picking up as labour is declining. 2-party system. nothing changes
"In every generation utopianism has to be destroyed or endured" I'd never conceived utopianism is an inevitability before. I suppose the older I get the more I realise society is a constant maintenance project with continual assessment, analysis and minor correction to keep it from falling into absolute chaos!
As always, intelligent and informative conversation between courteous people - such a rarity now. I would like to hear a more detailed, forensic analysis of Blair's destructive legacy and its continuing damage to the UK, especially as his fan boys and girls in the MSM continue to report the views of 'the Master'.
Look up academic agent's channel. He's planning a series of videos charting the rise of 'the dark lord'.
I remember the night Blair was elected in 97. There was something about him that made me think - you'd better be for real, if you're not, we are in such trouble. Then, a few months later, he was launching military strikes in the Balkans, his eyes shining as he announced it. Then I knew. ps: I actually visited pre Glasnost Moscow. There were rich and poor, just like here.
No British commentator has been as brave, as regards covid and it's consequences, as Peter Hitchens. I'm glad I lived to see him finally get his due, but if only we had listened before the tipping point.
Agree. I think his brother would be very proud of him.
But he was actually “coerced” into taking the injection. Coerced by his own choice. I respect him in general but was very disappointed with his caving.
So as regards covid and it's consequences He went to get the JAB C'mon Man be Serious
Brave? Fanciful hyperbole.
Brave right up until the point that he caved in and volunteered for the globalists’ compliance jab.
He has an excellent mind but he’s a long long way from brave.
Looked forward to this!
On a personal note I very much wish the Huxley/Orwell project emanating from the USA would collapse in a similar manner to the Soviet Union.
Ps Surely one of the Negative things to come out of the Enlightenment period onwards was the abundance theories.
How many of these theories actually practically work in real life.
Pps Peter is spot on about the Radicals of the French Revolution and the forces unleashed.
On what grounds did UA-cam take the earlier video down??
Publicity!!!!
Who knows. Perhaps because of what he said about the PM?
Just a thought re poverty, education and social mobility. I've read many biographies and autobiographies of people from humble backgrounds who attained fame and fortune. They all say things like "my Mum,or my Dad,or both qualified to go to the grammar school but they were poor so they had to go to work in the local factory" (when there was local factories,lol). So in the early 20th century there was this huge working class of highly intelligent people who often did art,or poetry or other intellectual stuff on the side while slogging away at t'mill to feed their family. By the 1960s their kids or grandchildren had benefited from the Education Act and all made that hugely creative outpouring of the 1960s and ended up rich and famous or if not that certainly middle class and affluent. What I'm postulating is - has everyone from a working class background who could rise,done so,are the poor people of today, erroneously called "the working class" the stupid ones,the lesser brain power ones and I have to include myself in this category. Also why is "social mobility" only having a well paid job. I consider myself sort of upwardly socially mobile,lol,in that I enjoy theatre(when allowed),I listen to Classical Music,I cook sophisticated food rather than fish fingers,mashed potato and baked beans all things that to my intense frustration I kept being told as a kid "People like us don't do things like that". I hated being People Like Us,I wanted to be People Like Them. I do think that ultimately the 1960s did a lot of damage and I am one of the casualties. Like "she is warm hearted and sexually generous,you are a whore". Non judgmental,don't make me laugh. Well that's my theory the poor of today are the dregs.
And Blair’s legacy much more of a problem than Corbyn. Much more.
Blair was able to use his alliance with George W. Bush to provide cover against a lot of his conservative critics...
Peter Hitchens seems to become more relevant as the years pass by!
Lost me at not understanding Trump, hence the platforms of the RONOs, Trump Republicans, or Democrats.
This is a talk that we will need to come back to again and again. Fabulous
15:35 - 16:15 Gramsci did indeed say "pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will," but he copped the line from the novelist Romain Rolland.
i can't even be bothered fact-checking you on that, but assuming you're correct, you win the internet!
... who was a communist himself as far as I remember.
i've been banned form twitter , about 6 months ago for posting information about Ivermectin . i posted this and asked The NHS why Ivermectin isn't being used , then i was banned . i've been put on the naught y step by FB a few times too , for the same reason . onwards and upwards !
There has been and will be a similar situation in the United States, where the Left is very close and shares much of its origin with the international Left, going back to FDR and arguably before that. It is politically inopportune for them to acknowledge this, so they do not.
Peter, back your videos up on BITCHUTE and RUMBLE. Two fingers to UA-cam!
If everyone's going to be equal, who's going to be Mozart?
That's equal in outcome and not equal in opportunity taking into account that you have the capability!!
There is certainly connection between CRT and Marxism via Frankfurt school, and Horkheimer and Marcuse in particular. What they called "critical theory" branched out into CRT as well as later feminism/gender studies, queer theory and so forth. I am sure modern transgender activism also comes from the same mould as just another oppressed class to be
ruled by the revolutionaries.
I can close my eyes and hear an echo of Christopher in Peter’s voice. Oh how we need Christopher’ lost voice and cutting intellect today. Such a loss.
A loss to the Satanic faction. He did a lot of damage with his attacks on Christianity. He wanted to destroy Christianity but had nothing to offer . I never liked the man. He was an apologist for Trotsky until his dying day.
Peter Whittle is strange interviewer. There are many cases during these NCF interviews where he doesn't pick up on what the interviewee says and continue in a conversational manner. He often simply replies 'hmmnn' and then goes to the next, presumably set, question.
An example here was the segment regarding the power of the church and religion in Soviet Russia. Hitchens stated that the Soviet authorities did all that they could to undermine the influence of Christian values and then soon after points out that the church was in no position to challenge the police/military grip on power that the state had. I was urging PW to follow up by asking why, then, the Soviet regime were so worried about church involvement in social issues if there was no threat posed.
this often happens in PWs interviews and often leaves me feeling a little frustrsted
You could make all these points until the cows come home. It won't turn back the tide. The whole country is now infested with it and people are too dumbed-down and emotional to respond to alternative views.
Really good interview.😆
Awesome interview . Awesome subject matter.
Where can I see the December Peter Hitchens video that was pulled?
Talk about the Peter Principle! You both are the reverse of that surely, and thank goodness!
Always a pleasure to listen to Peter . A man of profound wisdom and knowledge , with the ability to say what most of us are thinking . His references to education in this country is totally right . The government intervention to fix a problem that never existed was a turning point from which we have never recovered .The whole premise of the change to the state schools system was based on equality , and had very little to do with quality. May I say this is in no way a criticism of teachers. They have been used as political footballs from years , when successive governments have meddled with education and found out things are not working out as expected, they invariably blame the teachers. So here we all are again suffering from yet more government intervention and miss management . One wonders at what point the Penney will drop, and they realise the mess they have got us into .
I'm wondering I've met Peter years ago in Norfolk at a workers take over of a handbag factory, when he was the High Priest of International Socialism ...... Before it became Socialist Workers Party.....
Blair also introduced political correctness that has given rise to the woke generation and is stifulling free speech.
Peter Hitchens might want to review his vacks decision after he hears what Dr Mike Yeadon has to say [Planet Lockdown, recent interview, available at various sites but not here, so a non-goolag search is necessary - try brighteon dot com], and similarly what Dr Sucharit Bhakdi has to say at Jeff Rense’s channel on Bit shoot [sp.].
Yes and the funny thing is Peter often quoted/commented on Sucharit and how he had virtually been silenced at the beginning of all this rubbish despite being a top specialist in Germany.
He obviously didn't choose to listen to Sucharit regarding the vaccines!!!!!
Peter is spot on with the lowering of standards in education.
I find Hutchens “to clever for his own good” but well worth listening to. First class interview.
How is Hitchens too clever for his own good? I'm just curious not critical. Agreed, a fascinating interview.
@@DavidDavid-kl4ru “where ignorance is bliss ‘tis folly to be wise”.
Blair which project? : - )
Could someone please tell me which video was pulled down by UA-cam? Is it on other platform?
Remarkable to see Mr Hitchens' observation (at 21:10 ) about the bad treatment of British Loyalists during the American Revolution. As a Canadian, this point of view is remarkable because it is exceedingly rare to see a British person who is aware of this, and aware of the essentially violent, even barbaric and revolutionary quality of the beginnings of the United States. Perhaps the persecution of British Loyalists is only taught in Canada and not in Britain.
Love Peter Hitchens! He's one of the last voices of reason.
Do not touch any door handles or scent bottles in Salisbury ,then .
Like Peter Whittle I went to a local Grammar school which then went Comprehensive and my education suffered. I did Sociology which was a new subject back then and obviously political, I hated it and wished I'd chosen Economics instead.
I love it when Peter talks about his time in the old Soviet Union. He has many stories to tell.
Well done Peter - a very difficult man to interview. A clever chap but not easy listening.
One of the vanishingly few human beings who wears a beard well. Congratulations Peter! Great interview.
he is wrong about the origins of CRT, it is unequivocally marxist based and a derivative of that philosophical school of thought, the links in the chain are quite clear, marxism, intersectionalism, CRT.
I find it very heartwarming that we have someone with the intellect of Peter Hitchens in our society. We ignore and beguile what he says at our ultimate peril.
Sadly, the majority of us simply don't understand what he's talking about. To those people I suggest...........get educated. He is a modern day icon without the obsession of taking control of us.
So enjoyed this, thank you👑🧐😬
I am Left but I like and respect Peter, always have.
Tony Blair and his left wing cronies banned me hunting with my dogs and I'm a working class bloke. And use to vote LABOUR not any more you hurt me and I remember it .
There’s something about hitchens that I find very annoying.
Best channel by far in fighting the curse of woke. Ta Gov.
Taken down by UA-cam? On what grounds? Did you fight it Peter?
I could listen and learn from Peter Hitchens every day.
Peter Hitchens is of the few who meet's Mark E Smith's criteria of 'this nation's saving grace'.
Peter Whittle you are a wonderful host.
Tell us something we don't know
Why don't you try listening to it first? I'm certain you don't know everything Hitchens does.
Very informative interview, best I've seen in a long time!
Always thought this. Unlike Mr K Mr B was good at it. What happened in 04 with "the few thousand Poles over 10 - 15 years" is probably more responsible for brexit than anything else!
Compared to most comment posters here I'm probably a bit of a lefty/liberal. Not I hope a stupid one. I could probably describe why "socialism" doesn't work. All the old "equality of poverty" arguments.
But.
I still think the basic "fuel" is not unworkable ideology.....but the sheer injustice in the world 🌎. People are homeless 🙄 but nobody ever looks at all the outbuildings in a detached house in the English speaking world. Don't worry I won't be silly and advocate that people move in with you.
The trick is realising that some things are worth being conserved and others changed. There I've been safely silly.
@king offa I am supposed to disagree with you at this point. But won't as I think your correct lol 😆.
The logical end of "diversity" is of course the end of all that's diverse about human culture's. This is the distillation of irony 🙄. In practice it would of course end after "western" civilisation was destroyed 😳.....
....Islam and the Chinese having a good laugh 😆.
About the "gender" thing. I think there are only two....and poor 😢 sods who need help. Rather than encoragment.
The problem is of course that we go down the path of "ethno nationalism". Never be very popular in the English speaking world. As Orwell said "someone would laugh". As the legion of race warrior's marched past an old English lady would shout "they look like nice boys! I wonder if they polish each others helmets?"....and the old glaswegian man "away and work!!".
Perhaps the answer is hidden in John Steinbecks book "sweet Thursday". Two white guys talking about a Chinese American freind who has left "....you know mack Lee Chong won't be happy among all them foreigners".
Hitchens the coward
"Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will". Great quote from Gramschi.
Tha jab, hopefully, won't be your Waterloo, Peter...I fear you should have been guided by the old Belgian saying..'he who waits, is happiest...chin chin....a...😎
Peter Hitchens says that Critical Race Theory, CRT, is NOT a 'race-based version of Marxist ideology.'' However, in the lecture, The Marxist Roots of DEI - Session 1: on ''Equity'', James Lindsay expounds the view that it IS a version of Marxism, and that it is an important element of Diversity, Equality ( Equity) and Inclusion.
nice to see someone actually give Mr Hitchens the time to explain and expand on his points, good video.