Yes, that Bill A couple of things: - This was not my car, I know a guy who knows a guy who fixes these cars. The engine was replaced in the car and I asked him if I could send it to Eric and he donated it. But he does not want to be named. - The engine sat outside for about 2 years in a pile of other junk. Thus the grass and unfortunately the water. - I wanted the valve covers back since I'm going to make a desktop paperweight for the guy who gave it to me and someone else by taking them to a machine shop and having the script "Maserati" cut out and polished. This is one of my favorite channels so when I was talking to the guy who had it I thought it would make a great video of a motor that Eric would not likely see in his yard. It did not disappoint.
So Wait!!? so you know the murderer!? - *this is going to be so much easier than buying the number off the engine block or buying the entire engine block and shipping it to New Zealand just to get the last owner* - send the pieces to me in New Zealand along with the address of the guy who murdered the Maserati and I'll make him a paper weight he won't forget. I think psychopaths of the motoring world should unite and ... have a little chat with the last owner - stuff like "Ever Lift The Bonnet except to Nail a Hot Bird under it?" If Only I was a psychopath - "Would he like to know what it feels like having your Arse hammered on an overheating Maserati Ghibli F160 Twin Turbo V6 Engine?" 😇
Favorite job I ever had was working as a dismantler for a junkyard... the junkyard hired kids going to school for auto mechanics, 18 to 23 years old, a pair of wire cutters, a side Cutters, and oxy acetylene torch, and permission to just drop stuff straight down. It worked perfectly. And I know my comment is pretty pointless, but I wanted to comment to help the algorithm. This is an awesome Channel!
That sounds like a lot more fun than the job I got from taking auto shop in high school. I was hired on for minimum wage at a Dodge dealership. All i did was run stuff from the parts dept to whichever repair/body bay needed them. Insanely boring job.
@@themightymutt5213 they hired us from the local Tech College nearby, they made sure we knew three things, we were only getting minimum wage, nothing we did counted towards the school credit hours, and there were no benefits to the job... although one benefit was we were allowed to grab parts for projects we were working on at home, they told us we would get a steep discount on those parts but most often they were free.
yeah i do i watch him a lot on my other youtube acc i have and i see him like a entertainer always likes to laugh and is funny, which makes his videos even more better.
What makes the machine work even more remarkable is that, according to Wikipedia, the blocks are cast at the Chrysler plant in Kokomo, then machined at the Trenton plant, and then sent across the Atlantic for final assembly in Modena by Ferrari.
Kinda reminds me of when alfalfa romeo ( yes, I intended to spell it that way) and nissan jointly designed and manufactured cars. Unfortunately, the Japanese designed it, and the Italians built it. So sad.
I really like that I trust you enough to trust you when you say you read all the comments :) it makes the honesty feel more fulfilling. Over two years I've been watching you've taught me most of what I know about engines, your steadfast regularity has been a small but unique part of getting myself through tough times, and rewatching your videos has done more to combat my insomnia than any substance or other routine I've tried. Thank you, I know I'm not the only person whose life you've touched positively with your videos, please keep up this love you are putting out into the world
Maserati tech here 👋🏾 These blocks are cast in Indiana and then sent to Modena Italy for assembly in the Ferrari plant. Maserati now makes their own engines off of the Nettuno platform which is more similar to the Alfa Romeo quadtifoglio a twin turbo 60 degree v6 I retired from the dealership to own a shop but still see many Maseratis. I’ve got one in my shop now that has had a similar fate but I will be tearing it down to repair it. Wish my clients wallet luck!
Hi, can you help me diagnosis my 2014 maserari ghibli. I have a p3053 code. My enging rpm's fluctuate at idle and then cuts off. I've had this issue for 2 years now...
Thanks Eric. Years ago I rebuilt a Fiat 4-cylinder engine, making one good one out of the two slightly ''broken'' ones I had ...and the quality of the engine was so much better than the GM manufactured 4-cylinder I had previously totally rebuilt. I revised my opinion of Italian made engines after that, though I'd still never buy an Italian (or French) car because of reliability problems with the cars in general. I had owned two Alfa Romeos before that; same deal. good engines but problems with electrics and other parts of the car...never again!
Ivan @ PHAD recently worked on a Mazarati. Needed a complete timing job after 60K miles, chain stretched to the point it jumped timing. Only difference with that engine, caught it before there was any damage to the engine. So not only is the car expensive, it has expensive maintenance!
The Pentastar was designed with a lot of headroom--according to AllPar, it was designed from the outset to accept displacements from 3.0 to 3.6, variable valve timing and variable lift (implemented in Gen 3), direct injection and twin turbos. Many of the higher end features seem to have been implemented on the Maserati versions. They've had their foibles such as the Gen1 issues with valve seats on the one bank and of course the infamous oil cooler leaks. Like most modern engines they do not suffer fools who think they can go two years between oil changes. There are some better and a lot worse.
I was looking at oil changes intervals and believe it or not but aftermarket service centers as reported online say to change your oil every 12,500 miles. Absolutely insane.
And, you know, latest VW Golf (maybe Rabbit in the US?)? They now claims that you can go 50kkm without oil change. That's 31k miles! They say "due to the better oil performance" and all that BS... AND THERE ARE PEOPLE BELIVING THAT CR4P!!!!
The Maserati recommended maintence interval is 12,500 miles. The car will remind you when you are close and the distance to the next internal. Using the wrong oil and a cheap filter could make that disasterous. Mine uses 10W60 racing oil.
I love the small side comments and issues - "sneakers," shape of the water pump passage, shipping box, and of course the oil pump fun. And as always, an informative and interesting tear-down. Wouldn't there have been an oil pressure warning?
These engines are basically a worked over Pentastar. Oil pump looks the same, basic block is very similar, head design is similar. The cam phasers even have the Chrysler logo.
I own both cars with timing chains and timing belts. The ones with chains are the only ones I worry about failing, because I change the timing belt on a regular basis and it's relatively easy to do. Things that are designed to be maintained are much better for longevity.
Chains easily go 200,000+ miles with only regular oil changes. This engine didn't have enough oil changes. It almost certainly had a computer that told the owner when to change the oil, but it was set up for intervals that were far too long, especially for a turbo engine. Unfortunately, one of the ways car companies keep total cost of ownership low (in the sales brochure) is by extending oil change intervals in the computer. They don't care because they can tell you it's cheaper to own their cars, even if they only last 100,000 miles because the oil wasn't changed often enough. BMW was selling turbo cars with 15,000 mile intervals, but they would pick up the maintenance for the first four years. Honda will happily let you drive 10 or 11 thousand miles per oil change and when your engine starts to consume oil as long as it is less that 1 qt. per 1,000 miles then there is no problem. I would rather by one car every 200,000 miles than two cars in that same distance. blog.modbargains.com/15000-mile-oil-change-myth/
I agree it looked very similar, and shared some engineering design with the 3.2/3.6 Pentastar engines, but you have to consider that this Maserati version is direct injected AND turbo'd, too, which may explain some of the bearing wear. As for the chain guide destruction, I suspect heat cycles is the problem and maybe the heat from the turbo is the deciding straw. Really impressed by the machine work, especially the bottom end. Jewel of a crank shaft.
The bearing and wear we were seeing, Was caused by lack of maintenance with oil changes.. The sludge build up was a good give away for that. I personally own a Maserati Ghibli. In the forums we have people all the time complaining about how much an oil change costs as the dealer. We also have people post with engine failures. You ask them where the dip stick is in the car... They can't tell you. So many people seriously think because its a Maserati, they don't need to check the oil and taking it in each year is all you need to do.
Thank you for the Maserati autopsy. Without your time and effort, I'd never had the pleasure of seeing it. The timing chain guides looks like Chrysler was involved.
I didn't think we'd see this engine on this channel lol! This thing was obviously tuned, oil was not changed, incorrect oil, redlined with low oil or all of the above. If you maintain a Maserati correctly it treats you right, various have gone over 200K miles. If not, the most common issues that come with neglect are definitely timing and rod bearings. The other issue is the oil sensor / sending units on the '13-15 models. Those sometimes go bad and the only warning is the dash indicator showing erratic or full pressure, often overseen by a typical Maserati owner. As a result the oil pump operates incorrectly and destroys components, that could have also happened here. Great teardown video as always! Now do an F154, LOL! Jk jk jk
It's been a while since Security Tote made an appearance on the channel. Interesting to see a very uncommon engine on your channel. Thanks for your content.
Tonight's teardown is the first time I didnt watch these on my phone. Watched it on my 32" gaming monitor. A whole different level of visual details. Not all of the visuals pleasant. Like a horror movie. Valve cover would look good on the garage wall.
I stumbled onto this channel a week ago and have enjoyed each video I have seen. It's refreshing to hear someone speak clearly and coherently and not try and come off as something or someone that they are not. Great job!
Great video! It never ceases to amaze me the complexity of overhead cam engines and the many issues bad oiling can cause, and contrast that to the simplicity of the gen 1 LS engine. Though they have there issues too. 😊
I'm still taking overhead cam engines over overhead valve engines all day long. They're a lot more efficient. Part of the issue here is that the person who owned this car looks like they went quite a bit over their oil change intervals and probably didn't check their oil.
There is nothing inherent to "efficiency" in ohc engines. You're probably just noting hp/L, which has very little to do with actual efficiency. It's the 4-valve per cylinder and increased rpm range that gives the opportunity for power boost on the top end. Take those things away, and the "efficiency" suddenly disappears. Where 2 engines have common rpm, the smaller displacement ohc typically has inferior output. The hp/L at those rpm will not be all that different from ohv, and the lesser displacement simply yields underwhelming output. That's not "efficiency" at all. It's just making up the power at a higher rpm (where higher rpm presents the opportunity for more breathing).
I'll keep my simple and "inefficient" pushrod motor in both my truck "5.3" and my car "6.2" which btw makes 425 h.p. and gets 23 mph at 75 mph on the highway. 😁
"volumetric efficiency" is a bullshit term, the way you are using it. It's purely the effect that more breathing can occur at higher rpm, and it would apply to any engine design, not just ohc exclusively. You could just as well say that a forced induction ohv engine will have higher volumetric efficiency than a NA ohc engine. Yes...because pressurized air yields more breathing, just like extended rpm yields more breathing. It's not some magical quality that appears just because a cam is positioned over the valve it actuates in a cylinder head design.
Great Teardown of the F160 Twin Turbo Maserati Ghibli V6 Engine!!!! I'm glad you made this video because a guy recommended a Ghibli to me as a prospective next car. I have to say...at first I was kind of impressed, but i didn't like the styling of the car. I heard it run, it sounded good, even better in Sport Mode, but I felt the car was LACKING!!!! It cost too much money and you weren't really getting what you paid for!!! Now that I've seen this video, my intuition was right!!! I prefer the V8 Maserati over the V6 and I probably wouldn't own one because I just think they're WAY OVERPRICED!! It's AMAZING how some of these engines are put together with CHEAP ASS timing chain guides and the whole car costs tens of thousands of dollars. Why would you have that in a $70K - $100K car???
I got to be “that guy” who had to inform a friend that her Renegade was actually a Fiat with a Jeep insignia on the front. It was quite a Stellantis moment.
@@larryjohns8823I agree 100%. Yes Jeep owners refused to believe Jeep is a FIAT. Really it's assembled in America with Italian parts and they do have shoddy quality parts. Renegades are actually assembled in Melfi, Italy. Just look at either the edge of the left front door or the door sill. Same with the new Jeep Compass.
So I love the Ghibli. Discovered it in early '16 and began researching the Maserati line. I joined 2 different online users groups so I cold learn what owners did & didn't like about these cars. I came away with 2 decisions: I was going to buy one… and I would seek out a relatively low mileage Ghibli S or SQ4 with remaining warranty. I had a very specific idea of color, wheel choice and trim that needed to be met as well as a target price range… and I would keep an eye out (online) and wait until I could find what I wanted, or I'd go without. It wasn't until late July '20 that I found a 2017 Ghibli S Zenga Edition in my color and wheel choice as a CPO unit from Maserati Dealer with extended warranty (clean Carfax)… 24,950 miles for $39.2K w/ 1.9% financing (sticker in fall of 2016 for this car: $100,700). My other vehicle is a 2006 Chevy Trailblazer SS (6.0 V8) that's 17.5yrs old now w/ 106K miles… I have no illusions of keeping this Ghibli S anywhere near that long, or for that many miles. I figure another 2-3 years, keep up with the scheduled service, sell it and I'll have had about as low-cost a version of a not very old Maserati ownership experience one could have. It has been a joy to drive. From a tech features standpoint, I'd advise anyone to pass on a 2014-16… significant improvements in that area were introduced in the 2017MY.
Thanks Bill in PA!!!!! And thanks to Eric! If it weren't for you I'd have be taking things apart, randomly, to see how they work. Your channel satisfies about 80% of my mechanical curiosity.
This man's comedy is top tier. Also I would like an apology from that engine for that nasty soup it slopped out when you drained it, I was mid bite of my cheesy bread
I stumbled across your channel and i must say it is very relaxing and fascinating watching you tear them down, explain and throw away "good" items 😂 thank you
These are famous for jumping timing on the side with the non ratcheting hydraulic tensioner. Usually low/poor oil or I have even seen an impacted oil filter on these. They recommend like 10k miles between oil changes.
Ivan from Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics repaired a similar timing issue in a customer's car about 6 months ago - seems like a recurring theme with these engines...
@@Hankie56 No, he did it in his workshop. I’m a long time euro car owner here in Australia, and part of the reason I still do my own repairs is I’m sick to death of the whole “it’s eurotrash and built weird” crap from people too lazy or thick to learn new things…
@@froggy0162 Sorry, must have been confused, but totally agree. When I see the lack of maintenance on those cars (any car in the US?) which brand will ever make 200K?
my guess is lack of oil, from lack of oil changes. caused wear on the things (bit of everything ate up or gunked up) until there were no more of those things to get eaten up, then it came apart and ended up too expensive to fix.
I reckon you could make an entire one-hour episode out of which fasteners various engines use, the reasons for the choices, and whether this does or does not suck when it comes to servicing and disassembly.
I know a lot of European luxury car companies have ventured into some pretty bizarre branding opportunities, but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine a Maserati duck caller.
I have a Ferrari brand bottle corker (puts corks into new bottles of wine) it is red with white interior. Made in Italy of course. Bought it in the mid 1990's. It has gotten a lot of laughs over the years
Awesome take down as usual. How about including some B roll of the parts before and after the parts washer? I always find it very interesting to see the stark contrast. Thank for the videos.
I love the care you take with the most valuable and reusable part, the water pump! The proper packaging was much more secure than just wrapping with clean towels like the last few engines!! ;-) Keep up the great work, brother! I look forward to anything you put out more than any other channel I follow, seriously. Your videos can never be to long for me so please never worry about that! I'd watch you wash a car for a hour if that's what you posted!!
The demand for rebuilding Maserati engines is probably low (and Bill just replaced his and put this one in the garden) but you seem to have a collection of fairly good, and fairly expensive 'components' from this one; you just can't call them 'parts' with a Maserati.😁 I enjoy seeing different engines and 'exotics' (loosely used here) is a treat.
This was an interesting engine teardown, lots of similarities in the heads to the pentastar, and an interesting cross between inexpensive design especially in the timing circuit while having very high build and machining quality in the block. Would be interesting to see if these routinely have timing issues or if it's just a function of crap maintenance since these depreciate like lead balloons falling from the sky and are the star of every buy-here-pay-here lot.
You must not be too familiar with Bmw or Mercedes? in fact Maserati isnt even in the top 5 of fastest depreciating vehicle manufacturers. Bmw and mercedes lose their value much faster than maserati. just go take a look at KBB values... you can get a 2016 S class for less that 15k with minimal miles if you look for more than about 2 min. these depreciating comments get me every time! Go get informed!!
There are not any widespread failures on this engine.or recalls..lack of maintenance is the main problem.there are many with over 100k miles with no timing chain issues..
Thank you Bill from Pennsylvania for the core. Glad to see something I don't ever think I'd see if it wasn't for you! Another great video from our fellow car enjoyer as always.
For the record, you should be able to grab every one of those bolts with your impact. Put a bigger battery on it and let it struggle for a few. The hammer function slowly breaks them loose and they will come out after what seems like an eternity. You'll eat up a battery sooner, but the extra Ah will offset that. I use my DeWalt DCF891 1/2" impact for removing tack-welded lag bolts in shipping containers. It struggles til the weld breaks then it just smokes them. It takes a decent battery to hit close to the advertised torque, but us DeWalt fans are spoiled by the Flexvolt line. If you REALLY want to show a Honda crank bolt who's boss, grab a Milwaukee 2869-20 D-Handle 1" Extended Anvil impact wrench with a weighted socket. Something like 2,000lbs of nut-busting torque. It's basically a battery powered semi truck lugnut wrench and designed with that and the railroad in mind.
That filter was probably stuck because it was aftermarket. Run in to that with VW/Audi all the time. I’ve had multiple VW 2.5 5 cylinders with low oil pressure lights on because of an aftermarket filter. They don’t seal in the filter cap correctly. And yeah, the whole time I was watching this video all I could think was “Wow, looks like a very fancy pentastar.”😂
It looked like an OE Purflux filter with the zig-zag pleats to be me. French oil filter company Purflux usually supplies most modern Ferrari and Maserati oil filters. Interestingly, Fram used to supply Ferrari oil filters back in the 1960's long before Fram bought Purflux.
@@TassieLorenzo Good to know. I know VW has a couple of OEM vendors for oil filters. Most are Mann Hummel and the ends are a almost like dried liquid of some sort. Others are plastic at either end with rubber seals. Those are the ones that usually don’t fit and either won’t fully seat, or get stuck and pull the guts out of the filter cap.
My thanks to Mr Bill for allowing us the peek at this one! I think someone musta rinched it off with a hose pipe, and that's how the warter got in! I'm a bird watcher, as well as a teardown watcher, and today I was doing both at once. When you started running the oil pump with air, I was attacked by a diamond-billed rockpecker! First known such attack on the East coast - those birds are normally way over in Trail Mater country! All seriousness aside, i',ve seen quite a few engines with guides precisely where they would prevent that chain contact with valve cover.
I love it when you struggle to get some parts off the engine. I am the same way. I will work on it into perpetuity until I win and the part comes off. Gives you a great sense of accomplishment.
Do a 7.3 IDI! Cheap cores, and lots of them died to cavitation which would be interesting to see. Good old work horses, lots of them still around so parts would sell, especially if you get a factory IDIT.
@@mikek5298 Since you’re the kinda guy that seems to think everyone keeps cores laying around, maybe you’d have a few on hand, so would you mind? That would be very cool of you. :)
A lot of the extended oil change intervals are due to the dealerships pushing profits at the expense of owners, cars that were fully maintained to manufacturer specs are coming back like this because they think synthetic oil lasts forever, it doesn't and even though the oil does not break down it still collects the same amount of contamination.
I personally like to call the loud headbolts the chatty ones because of the amount of noise they make, and the ones that make no noise at all, the silent ones.
Launching the tensioner was epic 🤣🤣🤣 Rich daddy probably bought that car for his kid and sent them off to college with it. Shame it wasn't maintained properly.
I think it'd be fantastic if someone sent you a late model Porsche engine out of a 911, Boxster, or Cayman to tear down. They're quite different from ever V-something you tear down regularly.
Looks like an interesting collaboration… too bad Chrysler couldn’t cast their own stuff that beautifully and not inject their own cam issues into it. I’ve heard stories of these with the same cam and follower issues as the 3.6.
That build up on the valves is from long service intervals on the oil and running a bit of E10 or E15 Fuel in combination, as both can cause that sort of build-up
I usually see spectacular machining and really nice designs on the higher end cars. They want you to really appreciate the effort they put in to make up for the crap quality of the actual critical parts. Maseratis are especially bad. They put a huge amount of time and resources into designing and building the best looking car you'll ever see on the side of the road.
How come we always hear about crud build-up in the intake ports of direct injected gas engines but never hear that with diesel engines ? they are both direct injected and only have air coming in the intake ports so why the difference?
8:26 That is exactly what I thought when you pulled the valve cover off! Those cam phasers with the huge bolt head and the magnetic timing ring on the rear of intake cam - that has Chrysler 3.6 written all over it. I really expected something a bit more exotic under a "Maserati" valve cover.
Only thing Chrysler about this motor is based on the pentastar configuration. Block is thicker walled..large oil passages 3.0 liter.finished to ferrari specs..all heads. Valves etc are derived from 154 engine. Heavy duty pistons .capscrew.rods .forged crank.studded block..etc...
I have looked at a few Maserati's over the years and always come to the same conclusion. They are Ferrari-esq engines bought and maintained by Chrysler minded people. The other thing that is really fascinating to watch through all these videos are the development or lack there of of certain components. Over the last really 30 years a lot of engine development has been in the valve, cam timing areas leading to more complex timing systems. Clearly the materials science hasn't gotten the attention it deserves. BMW (yes I'm a fanboy) exemplifies this but nearly everyone seems to have issues with the chain guide material as it ages and becomes incredibly brittle. It would seem that there is a material to use on these guides that would stand up better than the industry standard material currently used. Doesn't seem like the place to save a few dollars on ever increasingly expensive engines.
Welcome to Italy! As a Ducati dealer and racer for many years I found all I needed was a 5mm hex driver. My 1972 Dino though is all hex heads. All different of course.
Yes, that Bill
A couple of things:
- This was not my car, I know a guy who knows a guy who fixes these cars. The engine was replaced in the car and I asked him if I could send it to Eric and he donated it. But he does not want to be named.
- The engine sat outside for about 2 years in a pile of other junk. Thus the grass and unfortunately the water.
- I wanted the valve covers back since I'm going to make a desktop paperweight for the guy who gave it to me and someone else by taking them to a machine shop and having the script "Maserati" cut out and polished.
This is one of my favorite channels so when I was talking to the guy who had it I thought it would make a great video of a motor that Eric would not likely see in his yard. It did not disappoint.
Thanks again Bill! Valve covers are all yours!
So Wait!!? so you know the murderer!? - *this is going to be so much easier than buying the number off the engine block or buying the entire engine block and shipping it to New Zealand just to get the last owner* - send the pieces to me in New Zealand along with the address of the guy who murdered the Maserati and I'll make him a paper weight he won't forget.
I think psychopaths of the motoring world should unite and ... have a little chat with the last owner - stuff like "Ever Lift The Bonnet except to Nail a Hot Bird under it?"
If Only I was a psychopath - "Would he like to know what it feels like having your Arse hammered on an overheating Maserati Ghibli F160 Twin Turbo V6 Engine?"
😇
Thanks Bill!
@@K1VV1939 Why not lay the blame where it is truly deserved? Give it to whoever decided to team up with Chrysler...
@@truracer20Obama and the Fiat guy. Remember Obama gave Fiat Chrysler Motors in one of the most idiotic Bankruptcy deals ever.
Favorite job I ever had was working as a dismantler for a junkyard... the junkyard hired kids going to school for auto mechanics, 18 to 23 years old, a pair of wire cutters, a side Cutters, and oxy acetylene torch, and permission to just drop stuff straight down. It worked perfectly.
And I know my comment is pretty pointless, but I wanted to comment to help the algorithm. This is an awesome Channel!
That sounds like a lot more fun than the job I got from taking auto shop in high school. I was hired on for minimum wage at a Dodge dealership. All i did was run stuff from the parts dept to whichever repair/body bay needed them. Insanely boring job.
@@themightymutt5213 they hired us from the local Tech College nearby, they made sure we knew three things, we were only getting minimum wage, nothing we did counted towards the school credit hours, and there were no benefits to the job... although one benefit was we were allowed to grab parts for projects we were working on at home, they told us we would get a steep discount on those parts but most often they were free.
I worked at KFC..nuff said.
@@sfbfriend my first job when I was 15 years old, was Taco Bell.
@@sfbfriend 10 little perches, KFC powder and frying pan ...
My day is now a little better. I love this channel no BS, no sales pitch. Just a good man and a wrench!
Amen
And goofy comments
Agreed. Eric needs a merch shop and to sell shirts that say: "I'm a dude that zips bolts out until things fall apart"
yeah i do i watch him a lot on my other youtube acc i have and i see him like a entertainer always likes to laugh and is funny, which makes his videos even more better.
Quite telling to see the Pentastar emblem on the cam phasers.
And you can see the timing marks on the Cams were way off due to the chain jumping teeth
Placing the water pump into a box and filling it with packing peanuts was hilarious 🤣🤣
The rock auto tape on the box really got me, now that's what I call Various Mfr
Even funnier that it is a rock auto box.
Dude's definitely leaning into the humor.
@jxeral To italy, let maserati reuse it lol
It's a very valuable and desirable second hand part, of course it was worth looking after with proper care
Good evening Eric and thank you Bill.
Thank you Bill
I wait all week for my Saturday evening autopsy. This one was not a disappointment.
Your distain for plastic timing guides and subsequent violence against them never gets old
Thanks Bill and you da man! Look forward to Saturday night tear downs with Eric and thanks again Bill!
What makes the machine work even more remarkable is that, according to Wikipedia, the blocks are cast at the Chrysler plant in Kokomo, then machined at the Trenton plant, and then sent across the Atlantic for final assembly in Modena by Ferrari.
Chrysler + Italians = most reliable vehicle
@@walkerhall9243 LOL
Correct my first honest laugh from a UA-cam comment in a few days
how do you spell "RUN"?
Kinda reminds me of when alfalfa romeo ( yes, I intended to spell it that way) and nissan jointly designed and manufactured cars. Unfortunately, the Japanese designed it, and the Italians built it. So sad.
I really like that I trust you enough to trust you when you say you read all the comments :) it makes the honesty feel more fulfilling. Over two years I've been watching you've taught me most of what I know about engines, your steadfast regularity has been a small but unique part of getting myself through tough times, and rewatching your videos has done more to combat my insomnia than any substance or other routine I've tried. Thank you, I know I'm not the only person whose life you've touched positively with your videos, please keep up this love you are putting out into the world
You forgot to add the RockAuto fridge magnet in the box!
Eric, my bet is soon as the timing unraveled, the computer noped itself out of running any longer, and that's what saved the total bearing meltdown.
+1 my guess to. Looks like maintenance was non existent ent. So if greater than 100k I’d not call out the timing chain guides just bad owner.
Maserati tech here 👋🏾 These blocks are cast in Indiana and then sent to Modena Italy for assembly in the Ferrari plant. Maserati now makes their own engines off of the Nettuno platform which is more similar to the Alfa Romeo quadtifoglio a twin turbo 60 degree v6 I retired from the dealership to own a shop but still see many Maseratis. I’ve got one in my shop now that has had a similar fate but I will be tearing it down to repair it. Wish my clients wallet luck!
Hi, can you help me diagnosis my 2014 maserari ghibli. I have a p3053 code. My enging rpm's fluctuate at idle and then cuts off. I've had this issue for 2 years now...
Hello friends, does anyone know the tightening torque specifications for this engine?
"My Maserati did 185. Now it is a paperweight, lost a timing guide.:" Thanks Joe Walsh :P
Yes! I needed this comment
"Sounds like a country song"
I have a tow ride in the back
I take it to a shade tree shop and got carjacked
@@SenorSiesta lmao, nice second verse
Do you still drive? 😂
Thanks Eric. Years ago I rebuilt a Fiat 4-cylinder engine, making one good one out of the two slightly ''broken'' ones I had ...and the quality of the engine was so much better than the GM manufactured 4-cylinder I had previously totally rebuilt. I revised my opinion of Italian made engines after that, though I'd still never buy an Italian (or French) car because of reliability problems with the cars in general. I had owned two Alfa Romeos before that; same deal. good engines but problems with electrics and other parts of the car...never again!
TY Bill. The machining on the Crank was beautiful. That engine took some time to build in just the perfection of the parts.
Ivan @ PHAD recently worked on a Mazarati. Needed a complete timing job after 60K miles, chain stretched to the point it jumped timing. Only difference with that engine, caught it before there was any damage to the engine. So not only is the car expensive, it has expensive maintenance!
That was the most tedious timing job of my life LOL
Hello friends, does anyone know the tightening torque specifications for this engine?
The Pentastar was designed with a lot of headroom--according to AllPar, it was designed from the outset to accept displacements from 3.0 to 3.6, variable valve timing and variable lift (implemented in Gen 3), direct injection and twin turbos. Many of the higher end features seem to have been implemented on the Maserati versions. They've had their foibles such as the Gen1 issues with valve seats on the one bank and of course the infamous oil cooler leaks. Like most modern engines they do not suffer fools who think they can go two years between oil changes. There are some better and a lot worse.
I was looking at oil changes intervals and believe it or not but aftermarket service centers as reported online say to change your oil every 12,500 miles. Absolutely insane.
And, you know, latest VW Golf (maybe Rabbit in the US?)? They now claims that you can go 50kkm without oil change. That's 31k miles! They say "due to the better oil performance" and all that BS... AND THERE ARE PEOPLE BELIVING THAT CR4P!!!!
The Maserati recommended maintence interval is 12,500 miles. The car will remind you when you are close and the distance to the next internal. Using the wrong oil and a cheap filter could make that disasterous. Mine uses 10W60 racing oil.
I love the small side comments and issues - "sneakers," shape of the water pump passage, shipping box, and of course the oil pump fun. And as always, an informative and interesting tear-down. Wouldn't there have been an oil pressure warning?
Probably, I think this one was shut down quick
The water pump bit never gets old 😂.
Similar to the 1997 Toyota Tacoma water pump joke. This engineer may have designed the water pump on a Friday Afternoon.
I loved the script flip this time.
These engines are basically a worked over Pentastar. Oil pump looks the same, basic block is very similar, head design is similar. The cam phasers even have the Chrysler logo.
the Maserati fanboys can explain all that by telling the Chrysler engine is in fact a Maserati engine :)
I own both cars with timing chains and timing belts. The ones with chains are the only ones I worry about failing, because I change the timing belt on a regular basis and it's relatively easy to do. Things that are designed to be maintained are much better for longevity.
Except wrenching on a bolt or nut will eventually wear out the thread. You can only maintain it so many times
Chains easily go 200,000+ miles with only regular oil changes.
This engine didn't have enough oil changes. It almost certainly had a computer that told the owner when to change the oil, but it was set up for intervals that were far too long, especially for a turbo engine.
Unfortunately, one of the ways car companies keep total cost of ownership low (in the sales brochure) is by extending oil change intervals in the computer. They don't care because they can tell you it's cheaper to own their cars, even if they only last 100,000 miles because the oil wasn't changed often enough. BMW was selling turbo cars with 15,000 mile intervals, but they would pick up the maintenance for the first four years. Honda will happily let you drive 10 or 11 thousand miles per oil change and when your engine starts to consume oil as long as it is less that 1 qt. per 1,000 miles then there is no problem.
I would rather by one car every 200,000 miles than two cars in that same distance.
blog.modbargains.com/15000-mile-oil-change-myth/
I think if you go to the dealer, an oil change is over $1000.
I agree it looked very similar, and shared some engineering design with the 3.2/3.6 Pentastar engines, but you have to consider that this Maserati version is direct injected AND turbo'd, too, which may explain some of the bearing wear. As for the chain guide destruction, I suspect heat cycles is the problem and maybe the heat from the turbo is the deciding straw.
Really impressed by the machine work, especially the bottom end. Jewel of a crank shaft.
The bearing and wear we were seeing, Was caused by lack of maintenance with oil changes.. The sludge build up was a good give away for that. I personally own a Maserati Ghibli. In the forums we have people all the time complaining about how much an oil change costs as the dealer. We also have people post with engine failures. You ask them where the dip stick is in the car... They can't tell you. So many people seriously think because its a Maserati, they don't need to check the oil and taking it in each year is all you need to do.
If cycles are the problem, they should engineer better chain guides that can handle the cycles for at least 20 years (or about 8000 cycles).
Thank you for the Maserati autopsy.
Without your time and effort, I'd never had the pleasure of seeing it.
The timing chain guides looks like Chrysler was involved.
Eric's wrenching is impeccable. What a stud!
He is!
I got a ghibli that engine is very good and quick. 104k on mines still reliable and fast.
I didn't think we'd see this engine on this channel lol! This thing was obviously tuned, oil was not changed, incorrect oil, redlined with low oil or all of the above. If you maintain a Maserati correctly it treats you right, various have gone over 200K miles. If not, the most common issues that come with neglect are definitely timing and rod bearings. The other issue is the oil sensor / sending units on the '13-15 models. Those sometimes go bad and the only warning is the dash indicator showing erratic or full pressure, often overseen by a typical Maserati owner. As a result the oil pump operates incorrectly and destroys components, that could have also happened here. Great teardown video as always! Now do an F154, LOL! Jk jk jk
you just saved me a lot of money thanks, no second hand maserati for my birthday not with that t/c guides design I am shocked
It's been a while since Security Tote made an appearance on the channel.
Interesting to see a very uncommon engine on your channel.
Thanks for your content.
Tonight's teardown is the first time I didnt watch these on my phone. Watched it on my 32" gaming monitor. A whole different level of visual details. Not all of the visuals pleasant. Like a horror movie. Valve cover would look good on the garage wall.
Your job will definitely keep you in Shape !👍✌️
I stumbled onto this channel a week ago and have enjoyed each video I have seen. It's refreshing to hear someone speak clearly and coherently and not try and come off as something or someone that they are not. Great job!
Great video! It never ceases to amaze me the complexity of overhead cam engines and the many issues bad oiling can cause, and contrast that to the simplicity of the gen 1 LS engine. Though they have there issues too. 😊
I'm still taking overhead cam engines over overhead valve engines all day long. They're a lot more efficient. Part of the issue here is that the person who owned this car looks like they went quite a bit over their oil change intervals and probably didn't check their oil.
There is nothing inherent to "efficiency" in ohc engines. You're probably just noting hp/L, which has very little to do with actual efficiency. It's the 4-valve per cylinder and increased rpm range that gives the opportunity for power boost on the top end. Take those things away, and the "efficiency" suddenly disappears. Where 2 engines have common rpm, the smaller displacement ohc typically has inferior output. The hp/L at those rpm will not be all that different from ohv, and the lesser displacement simply yields underwhelming output. That's not "efficiency" at all. It's just making up the power at a higher rpm (where higher rpm presents the opportunity for more breathing).
I'll keep my simple and "inefficient" pushrod motor in both my truck "5.3" and my car "6.2" which btw makes 425 h.p. and gets 23 mph at 75 mph on the highway. 😁
@JSu2. OHC have a lot more volumetric efficiency, yes. And there's a reason that very few modern performance cars use OHV.
"volumetric efficiency" is a bullshit term, the way you are using it. It's purely the effect that more breathing can occur at higher rpm, and it would apply to any engine design, not just ohc exclusively. You could just as well say that a forced induction ohv engine will have higher volumetric efficiency than a NA ohc engine. Yes...because pressurized air yields more breathing, just like extended rpm yields more breathing. It's not some magical quality that appears just because a cam is positioned over the valve it actuates in a cylinder head design.
Great Teardown of the F160 Twin Turbo Maserati Ghibli V6 Engine!!!! I'm glad you made this video because a guy recommended a Ghibli to me as a prospective next car. I have to say...at first I was kind of impressed, but i didn't like the styling of the car. I heard it run, it sounded good, even better in Sport Mode, but I felt the car was LACKING!!!! It cost too much money and you weren't really getting what you paid for!!! Now that I've seen this video, my intuition was right!!! I prefer the V8 Maserati over the V6 and I probably wouldn't own one because I just think they're WAY OVERPRICED!! It's AMAZING how some of these engines are put together with CHEAP ASS timing chain guides and the whole car costs tens of thousands of dollars. Why would you have that in a $70K - $100K car???
Ahh the reliability of Chrysler with the price of Ferrari. Perfecto
I got to be “that guy” who had to inform a friend that her Renegade was actually a Fiat with a Jeep insignia on the front. It was quite a Stellantis moment.
@@bwalker4194About 99% of those owners refuse to believe their "Jeep" is a Fiat😮
actually the ghibli is 30-40k used even with low miles
@@larryjohns8823I agree 100%. Yes Jeep owners refused to believe Jeep is a FIAT. Really it's assembled in America with Italian parts and they do have shoddy quality parts. Renegades are actually assembled in Melfi, Italy. Just look at either the edge of the left front door or the door sill. Same with the new Jeep Compass.
So I love the Ghibli. Discovered it in early '16 and began researching the Maserati line. I joined 2 different online users groups so I cold learn what owners did & didn't like about these cars. I came away with 2 decisions: I was going to buy one… and I would seek out a relatively low mileage Ghibli S or SQ4 with remaining warranty. I had a very specific idea of color, wheel choice and trim that needed to be met as well as a target price range… and I would keep an eye out (online) and wait until I could find what I wanted, or I'd go without. It wasn't until late July '20 that I found a 2017 Ghibli S Zenga Edition in my color and wheel choice as a CPO unit from Maserati Dealer with extended warranty (clean Carfax)… 24,950 miles for $39.2K w/ 1.9% financing (sticker in fall of 2016 for this car: $100,700).
My other vehicle is a 2006 Chevy Trailblazer SS (6.0 V8) that's 17.5yrs old now w/ 106K miles… I have no illusions of keeping this Ghibli S anywhere near that long, or for that many miles. I figure another 2-3 years, keep up with the scheduled service, sell it and I'll have had about as low-cost a version of a not very old Maserati ownership experience one could have. It has been a joy to drive. From a tech features standpoint, I'd advise anyone to pass on a 2014-16… significant improvements in that area were introduced in the 2017MY.
Thanks Bill in PA!!!!! And thanks to Eric! If it weren't for you I'd have be taking things apart, randomly, to see how they work. Your channel satisfies about 80% of my mechanical curiosity.
OMG, the water pump shenanigans each week are hilarious. Look forward to seeing what you’re gonna do.
I am not sure why it is so calming to watch you tear down engines, but thanks!
This man's comedy is top tier. Also I would like an apology from that engine for that nasty soup it slopped out when you drained it, I was mid bite of my cheesy bread
I stumbled across your channel and i must say it is very relaxing and fascinating watching you tear them down, explain and throw away "good" items 😂 thank you
“this cam looks….Nope, it’s damaged too” I think that I hear you say “it’s damaged too” in nearly every tear down. 😀
These are famous for jumping timing on the side with the non ratcheting hydraulic tensioner. Usually low/poor oil or I have even seen an impacted oil filter on these. They recommend like 10k miles between oil changes.
Ivan from Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics repaired a similar timing issue in a customer's car about 6 months ago - seems like a recurring theme with these engines...
That was an annoying video - he spent the whole time complaining about Maserati while working on a Chrysler engine.
@@froggy0162 mind you, it was a roadside repair!
@@Hankie56 No, he did it in his workshop.
I’m a long time euro car owner here in Australia, and part of the reason I still do my own repairs is I’m sick to death of the whole “it’s eurotrash and built weird” crap from people too lazy or thick to learn new things…
@@froggy0162 Sorry, must have been confused, but totally agree. When I see the lack of maintenance on those cars (any car in the US?) which brand will ever make 200K?
my guess is lack of oil, from lack of oil changes. caused wear on the things (bit of everything ate up or gunked up) until there were no more of those things to get eaten up, then it came apart and ended up too expensive to fix.
I reckon you could make an entire one-hour episode out of which fasteners various engines use, the reasons for the choices, and whether this does or does not suck when it comes to servicing and disassembly.
I would die content if I knew why GM used a Allen bolt on the lower drivers front head whilst the rest of the Gen V head bolts are hex...
Thanks Bill and Eric, another great tear down. Remarkable how similar the architecture between this and the 3.6 Pentastar
I know a lot of European luxury car companies have ventured into some pretty bizarre branding opportunities, but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine a Maserati duck caller.
I have a Ferrari brand bottle corker (puts corks into new bottles of wine) it is red with white interior. Made in Italy of course. Bought it in the mid 1990's. It has gotten a lot of laughs over the years
I was expecting a much more complicated engine like an Audi. Pleasant surprise.
Awesome take down as usual. How about including some B roll of the parts before and after the parts washer? I always find it very interesting to see the stark contrast. Thank for the videos.
I love the care you take with the most valuable and reusable part, the water pump! The proper packaging was much more secure than just wrapping with clean towels like the last few engines!! ;-)
Keep up the great work, brother! I look forward to anything you put out more than any other channel I follow, seriously. Your videos can never be to long for me so please never worry about that! I'd watch you wash a car for a hour if that's what you posted!!
Thanks Bill !! I've driven a few of those at auction , not really impressed , but , that's me . Some may enjoy those vehicles
Taking breaks from channels are the best, getta come back to a awesome teardown.
Tes vidéos sont toujours excellents. J'ai déjà hâte de voir le prochain.
I got to say. The little kid in me loves watching you break a motor down to see what happened.
Loved this one. The machining was immediately superior looking. Love your tear downs. They definitely sell a boat load of beer.
Thanks very much, Bill!! Another great tear down, Eric. Thank you!
The demand for rebuilding Maserati engines is probably low (and Bill just replaced his and put this one in the garden) but you seem to have a collection of fairly good, and fairly expensive 'components' from this one; you just can't call them 'parts' with a Maserati.😁 I enjoy seeing different engines and 'exotics' (loosely used here) is a treat.
Thanks Bill! I watched a Pentastar tear down right before this one, so it's funny you showed the comparisons.
This was an interesting engine teardown, lots of similarities in the heads to the pentastar, and an interesting cross between inexpensive design especially in the timing circuit while having very high build and machining quality in the block. Would be interesting to see if these routinely have timing issues or if it's just a function of crap maintenance since these depreciate like lead balloons falling from the sky and are the star of every buy-here-pay-here lot.
Nope, it's the first time I hear about a chain guide failing. They do have issues with the oil pumps tho.
You must not be too familiar with Bmw or Mercedes? in fact Maserati isnt even in the top 5 of fastest depreciating vehicle manufacturers. Bmw and mercedes lose their value much faster than maserati. just go take a look at KBB values... you can get a 2016 S class for less that 15k with minimal miles if you look for more than about 2 min. these depreciating comments get me every time! Go get informed!!
There are not any widespread failures on this engine.or recalls..lack of maintenance is the main problem.there are many with over 100k miles with no timing chain issues..
Thank you Bill from Pennsylvania! Glad to see an "Italian" engine on the channel
Thank you Bill from Pennsylvania for the core. Glad to see something I don't ever think I'd see if it wasn't for you! Another great video from our fellow car enjoyer as always.
Awesome for giving us something (mostly) Italian. This, the Northstar, and the 1.0 crap Ford motor..I love this channel. You're on a roll.
For the record, you should be able to grab every one of those bolts with your impact. Put a bigger battery on it and let it struggle for a few. The hammer function slowly breaks them loose and they will come out after what seems like an eternity. You'll eat up a battery sooner, but the extra Ah will offset that.
I use my DeWalt DCF891 1/2" impact for removing tack-welded lag bolts in shipping containers. It struggles til the weld breaks then it just smokes them. It takes a decent battery to hit close to the advertised torque, but us DeWalt fans are spoiled by the Flexvolt line.
If you REALLY want to show a Honda crank bolt who's boss, grab a Milwaukee 2869-20 D-Handle 1" Extended Anvil impact wrench with a weighted socket. Something like 2,000lbs of nut-busting torque. It's basically a battery powered semi truck lugnut wrench and designed with that and the railroad in mind.
Thank you Bill. I really enjoyed your comparison of the two heads.
Thanks Bill!
Having had torn apart several pentastar motors this engine definitely shares a lot of parts
That filter was probably stuck because it was aftermarket. Run in to that with VW/Audi all the time. I’ve had multiple VW 2.5 5 cylinders with low oil pressure lights on because of an aftermarket filter. They don’t seal in the filter cap correctly. And yeah, the whole time I was watching this video all I could think was “Wow, looks like a very fancy pentastar.”😂
It looked like an OE Purflux filter with the zig-zag pleats to be me. French oil filter company Purflux usually supplies most modern Ferrari and Maserati oil filters. Interestingly, Fram used to supply Ferrari oil filters back in the 1960's long before Fram bought Purflux.
@@TassieLorenzo Good to know. I know VW has a couple of OEM vendors for oil filters. Most are Mann Hummel and the ends are a almost like dried liquid of some sort. Others are plastic at either end with rubber seals. Those are the ones that usually don’t fit and either won’t fully seat, or get stuck and pull the guts out of the filter cap.
My thanks to Mr Bill for allowing us the peek at this one! I think someone musta rinched it off with a hose pipe, and that's how the warter got in! I'm a bird watcher, as well as a teardown watcher, and today I was doing both at once. When you started running the oil pump with air, I was attacked by a diamond-billed rockpecker! First known such attack on the East coast - those birds are normally way over in Trail Mater country! All seriousness aside, i',ve seen quite a few engines with guides precisely where they would prevent that chain contact with valve cover.
for some reason, breaking head bolts loose is always such a satisfying sound
I love it when you struggle to get some parts off the engine. I am the same way. I will work on it into perpetuity until I win and the part comes off. Gives you a great sense of accomplishment.
Do a 7.3 IDI! Cheap cores, and lots of them died to cavitation which would be interesting to see. Good old work horses, lots of them still around so parts would sell, especially if you get a factory IDIT.
Send him one.
@@mikek5298 Since you’re the kinda guy that seems to think everyone keeps cores laying around, maybe you’d have a few on hand, so would you mind? That would be very cool of you. :)
They’re actually scarce around here because of their age and rust.
A lot of the extended oil change intervals are due to the dealerships pushing profits at the expense of owners, cars that were fully maintained to manufacturer specs are coming back like this because they think synthetic oil lasts forever, it doesn't and even though the oil does not break down it still collects the same amount of contamination.
When your shipping guy said "engine turned over...accidentally"...I don't think he meant the crankshaft 🤣🤣🤣
Oh, hadn’t considered that 😂
Hey, Bill in Pennsylvania: HUGE "Thank you," man!
I personally like to call the loud headbolts the chatty ones because of the amount of noise they make, and the ones that make no noise at all, the silent ones.
Broken plastic/nylon timing chain guide. Reminds me of GM’s nightmare, nylon coated cam gear from the 60’s on.
Launching the tensioner was epic 🤣🤣🤣 Rich daddy probably bought that car for his kid and sent them off to college with it. Shame it wasn't maintained properly.
I love your commentary. It makes these so fun to watch. Thank you
I think it'd be fantastic if someone sent you a late model Porsche engine out of a 911, Boxster, or Cayman to tear down. They're quite different from ever V-something you tear down regularly.
“Someone”? What’s wrong with YOU?
Always enjoy your engine teardowns. Great job as always.
The engine internals are beautiful - now we know why these engines are so expensive. It's all the time they spend polishing their rods.
I thought it was just the salesmen that spent all their time polishing their rods trying to sell overpriced Italian junk
😢
@@stephenw2992 This engine ain't even Italian lol! More like Italian branding...
@@philhenderson3516I didnt realise it was assembled by Ford in America. I thought he said they just supplied the block and some parts.
Thank you Eric !👍
Thanks to Bill ! 👍
Looks like an interesting collaboration… too bad Chrysler couldn’t cast their own stuff that beautifully and not inject their own cam issues into it. I’ve heard stories of these with the same cam and follower issues as the 3.6.
I was just wondering when you'd do an exotic engine - Can't wait!
Funny how much it looks like a pentastar v6 with aluminum valve covers.
It literally has Chrysler logos on the cams I think it’s literally a destroked 3.6 with some turbos on it
Saw the pentastar on the front of the cams too
@tylerexperience4941 all that work and twin turbos to not make all that much more hp vs a 3.6 pentastar used in minivans. Good job Maserati.
@@KR-hg8belmao
That build up on the valves is from long service intervals on the oil and running a bit of E10 or E15 Fuel in combination, as both can cause that sort of build-up
I usually see spectacular machining and really nice designs on the higher end cars. They want you to really appreciate the effort they put in to make up for the crap quality of the actual critical parts.
Maseratis are especially bad. They put a huge amount of time and resources into designing and building the best looking car you'll ever see on the side of the road.
Nice to see the exotic engines on the channel. Be really cool to see a Lotus engine as well.
Alfa Romeo, Porsche, Saab & even Volvo engines
I'd love to see a Volvo b series 5 banger, loved mine
Lol! A Chrysler engine is exotic?
26:50 be careful pulling a breaker bar like that, I’ve accidentally punched myself right in the Toyota water pump 😂
Thank you Bill from Pennsylvania!
How come we always hear about crud build-up in the intake ports of direct injected gas engines but never hear that with diesel engines ? they are both direct injected and only have air coming in the intake ports so why the difference?
8:26 That is exactly what I thought when you pulled the valve cover off! Those cam phasers with the huge bolt head and the magnetic timing ring on the rear of intake cam - that has Chrysler 3.6 written all over it. I really expected something a bit more exotic under a "Maserati" valve cover.
The fun part is that the timing chain and the guides are made in Germany parts, but the italian engine always takes all the blame
With Chrysler help, in case you didn’t notice.
Only thing Chrysler about this motor is based on the pentastar configuration. Block is thicker walled..large oil passages 3.0 liter.finished to ferrari specs..all heads. Valves etc are derived from 154 engine. Heavy duty pistons .capscrew.rods .forged crank.studded block..etc...
@@kurtjammer9568 DAAAA with chrysler help.
I have looked at a few Maserati's over the years and always come to the same conclusion. They are Ferrari-esq engines bought and maintained by Chrysler minded people. The other thing that is really fascinating to watch through all these videos are the development or lack there of of certain components. Over the last really 30 years a lot of engine development has been in the valve, cam timing areas leading to more complex timing systems. Clearly the materials science hasn't gotten the attention it deserves. BMW (yes I'm a fanboy) exemplifies this but nearly everyone seems to have issues with the chain guide material as it ages and becomes incredibly brittle. It would seem that there is a material to use on these guides that would stand up better than the industry standard material currently used. Doesn't seem like the place to save a few dollars on ever increasingly expensive engines.
How can't auto manufacturers figure out timing chain guides yet lol
they don"t want to ,they want the engine to go bust so we are forced to buy new ones.
If they wanted the timing to last, they'd use gears not chains
@@Kellen6795300 Ford chiming in 😂
Welcome to Italy! As a Ducati dealer and racer for many years I found all I needed was a 5mm hex driver. My 1972 Dino though is all hex heads. All different of course.
Amazing design, and amazingly bad care it's been exposed to!
Thank you Bill in Pennsylvania!