Unavoidable Failure? Bad Maserati Ghibli F160 Twin Turbo V6 Engine Teardown
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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I've been tearing down engines on camera for 2 and a half years! Search my channel to see what I've torn down.
This is a VERY special teardown. A huge thanks to Bill in Pennsylvania for supplying this particular engine to the channel! This is a core F160 3.0L Twin Turbo V6 from a 2015 Maserati Ghibli. This engine has Ferrari, Maserati and even some Chrysler design in its blood, whether good or bad. This engine produces between 345 and 404hp depending on trim level and I believe that's all in the tuning(Boost levels). This engine was both impressive and depressing as it had some of the most high quality machining we've seen on the channel. It also failed in such an unfortunate way and I'm not sure how you'd keep this from happening.
Why on Mars am I doing these teardowns? I own and run a full service auto salvage business in the Saint Louis area called Importapart. Part of our model is buying blown, core and unwanted engines and dismantling them to resell the good, usable parts. We do not rebuild engines, we merely supply parts to those who do.
I really hope you enjoyed this teardown. As always, I love all of the comments, feedback, and even the criticism. Catch you on the next one!
-Eric - Авто та транспорт
Yes, that Bill
A couple of things:
- This was not my car, I know a guy who knows a guy who fixes these cars. The engine was replaced in the car and I asked him if I could send it to Eric and he donated it. But he does not want to be named.
- The engine sat outside for about 2 years in a pile of other junk. Thus the grass and unfortunately the water.
- I wanted the valve covers back since I'm going to make a desktop paperweight for the guy who gave it to me and someone else by taking them to a machine shop and having the script "Maserati" cut out and polished.
This is one of my favorite channels so when I was talking to the guy who had it I thought it would make a great video of a motor that Eric would not likely see in his yard. It did not disappoint.
Thanks again Bill! Valve covers are all yours!
So Wait!!? so you know the murderer!? - *this is going to be so much easier than buying the number off the engine block or buying the entire engine block and shipping it to New Zealand just to get the last owner* - send the pieces to me in New Zealand along with the address of the guy who murdered the Maserati and I'll make him a paper weight he won't forget.
I think psychopaths of the motoring world should unite and ... have a little chat with the last owner - stuff like "Ever Lift The Bonnet except to Nail a Hot Bird under it?"
If Only I was a psychopath - "Would he like to know what it feels like having your Arse hammered on an overheating Maserati Ghibli F160 Twin Turbo V6 Engine?"
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Thanks Bill!
@@K1VV1939 Why not lay the blame where it is truly deserved? Give it to whoever decided to team up with Chrysler...
@@truracer20Obama and the Fiat guy. Remember Obama gave Fiat Chrysler Motors in one of the most idiotic Bankruptcy deals ever.
Quite telling to see the Pentastar emblem on the cam phasers.
And you can see the timing marks on the Cams were way off due to the chain jumping teeth
Thanks Bill and you da man! Look forward to Saturday night tear downs with Eric and thanks again Bill!
I really like that I trust you enough to trust you when you say you read all the comments :) it makes the honesty feel more fulfilling. Over two years I've been watching you've taught me most of what I know about engines, your steadfast regularity has been a small but unique part of getting myself through tough times, and rewatching your videos has done more to combat my insomnia than any substance or other routine I've tried. Thank you, I know I'm not the only person whose life you've touched positively with your videos, please keep up this love you are putting out into the world
TY Bill. The machining on the Crank was beautiful. That engine took some time to build in just the perfection of the parts.
I was looking at oil changes intervals and believe it or not but aftermarket service centers as reported online say to change your oil every 12,500 miles. Absolutely insane.
And, you know, latest VW Golf (maybe Rabbit in the US?)? They now claims that you can go 50kkm without oil change. That's 31k miles! They say "due to the better oil performance" and all that BS... AND THERE ARE PEOPLE BELIVING THAT CR4P!!!!
Damn this thing really does look like a unnecessarily more complicated 3.6 Pentastar
Similar power, too
What’s “complicated” about it?
That timing case end of the motor with a mess of chains, guides and tensioners instead of a single belt or chain. It looked like it had variable valve timing too.
A vane pump instead of a gear pump.
Camshafts with roller rockers instead of directly onto shims and buckets. There are probably over 100 components that could quite easily be engineered out if you weren't raiding the corporate parts bin.
It is a twin turbo engine with 2 variable cam system per head (one for intake valves and one for exhaust ones).
The oil pump is a variable displacement oil pump.
The dystem are similar to the ones in the V8.
@@petercroft9895
Sounds like you’re used to outdated Pushrod American garbage 😆. The configuration for this Engine is not much different than the Ferrari F154 and BMW or Audi V6s.
These engines are basically a worked over Pentastar. Oil pump looks the same, basic block is very similar, head design is similar. The cam phasers even have the Chrysler logo.
the Maserati fanboys can explain all that by telling the Chrysler engine is in fact a Maserati engine :)
Ahh the reliability of Chrysler with the price of Ferrari. Perfecto
I got to be “that guy” who had to inform a friend that her Renegade was actually a Fiat with a Jeep insignia on the front. It was quite a Stellantis moment.
@@bwalker4194About 99% of those owners refuse to believe their "Jeep" is a Fiat😮
actually the ghibli is 30-40k used even with low miles
@@larryjohns8823I agree 100%. Yes Jeep owners refused to believe Jeep is a FIAT. Really it's assembled in America with Italian parts and they do have shoddy quality parts. Renegades are actually assembled in Melfi, Italy. Just look at either the edge of the left front door or the door sill. Same with the new Jeep Compass.
So I love the Ghibli. Discovered it in early '16 and began researching the Maserati line. I joined 2 different online users groups so I cold learn what owners did & didn't like about these cars. I came away with 2 decisions: I was going to buy one… and I would seek out a relatively low mileage Ghibli S or SQ4 with remaining warranty. I had a very specific idea of color, wheel choice and trim that needed to be met as well as a target price range… and I would keep an eye out (online) and wait until I could find what I wanted, or I'd go without. It wasn't until late July '20 that I found a 2017 Ghibli S Zenga Edition in my color and wheel choice as a CPO unit from Maserati Dealer with extended warranty (clean Carfax)… 24,950 miles for $39.2K w/ 1.9% financing (sticker in fall of 2016 for this car: $100,700).
My other vehicle is a 2006 Chevy Trailblazer SS (6.0 V8) that's 17.5yrs old now w/ 106K miles… I have no illusions of keeping this Ghibli S anywhere near that long, or for that many miles. I figure another 2-3 years, keep up with the scheduled service, sell it and I'll have had about as low-cost a version of a not very old Maserati ownership experience one could have. It has been a joy to drive. From a tech features standpoint, I'd advise anyone to pass on a 2014-16… significant improvements in that area were introduced in the 2017MY.
The water pump bit never gets old 😂.
Similar to the 1997 Toyota Tacoma water pump joke. This engineer may have designed the water pump on a Friday Afternoon.
I loved the script flip this time.
Thank you for the Maserati autopsy.
Without your time and effort, I'd never had the pleasure of seeing it.
The timing chain guides looks like Chrysler was involved.
Tonight's teardown is the first time I didnt watch these on my phone. Watched it on my 32" gaming monitor. A whole different level of visual details. Not all of the visuals pleasant. Like a horror movie. Valve cover would look good on the garage wall.
Thanks very much, Bill!! Another great tear down, Eric. Thank you!
The engine internals are beautiful - now we know why these engines are so expensive. It's all the time they spend polishing their rods.
I thought it was just the salesmen that spent all their time polishing their rods trying to sell overpriced Italian junk
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@@stephenw2992 This engine ain't even Italian lol! More like Italian branding...
@@philhenderson3516I didnt realise it was assembled by Ford in America. I thought he said they just supplied the block and some parts.
I've been gone for a while, but this intrigued me since everyone who owns a Maserati says they have Ferrari engines. They have a Ferrari designed engine, but Ferrari only provides the block and the internals are Maserati, but really Chrysler, my uncle works on these. He has seen some really shoddy workmanship. But if you take care of the car it is reliable to about 60k miles. Then you get issues. Usually in the engine area, but the transmission has issues too.
Amazingly isn't 60k the warranty limit????
I have looked at a few Maserati's over the years and always come to the same conclusion. They are Ferrari-esq engines bought and maintained by Chrysler minded people. The other thing that is really fascinating to watch through all these videos are the development or lack there of of certain components. Over the last really 30 years a lot of engine development has been in the valve, cam timing areas leading to more complex timing systems. Clearly the materials science hasn't gotten the attention it deserves. BMW (yes I'm a fanboy) exemplifies this but nearly everyone seems to have issues with the chain guide material as it ages and becomes incredibly brittle. It would seem that there is a material to use on these guides that would stand up better than the industry standard material currently used. Doesn't seem like the place to save a few dollars on ever increasingly expensive engines.
Thanks Bill !! I've driven a few of those at auction , not really impressed , but , that's me . Some may enjoy those vehicles
I guess we found out amongst the 3 main time bombs on that engine which is worst. Valve clash due to DI Carbon buildup and Solenoid-controlled Variable Oil Pump are the runners-up against timing guide failure.
It amazes me out of the dozens of engine breakdowns Eric has done, how many have timing chain guides that fail. Seems like they need to make them out of Kevlar or something. I wonder what percentage of engines fell due to these guides, it's bound to be a high number.
Nice to see the exotic engines on the channel. Be really cool to see a Lotus engine as well.
Alfa Romeo, Porsche, Saab & even Volvo engines
I'd love to see a Volvo b series 5 banger, loved mine
Lol! A Chrysler engine is exotic?
Hey Eric, here's an idea for for a sister channel, if a vehicle comes in with a motor that runs but is on its last legs, knocking perhaps, how about starting it up surround the engine bay with cameras put a brick on the throttle pedal and walk away, you film all the parts as they leave the block and then do a tear down video to show what failed, 2 videos 1 engine. Win Win. Great channel by the way
The overly aggressive blur is a new character for the channel.
"Dipstick Vibes" sounds like the name of a song that should be the channel's official tune.
I loved it when you put the chain tensioner in full auto mode.
you just saved me a lot of money thanks, no second hand maserati for my birthday not with that t/c guides design I am shocked
My goodness! It always amazes me how the people who buy these cars don’t think that the oil needs to be changed regularly or, that you don’t need to check under the hood to maintain proper fluid levels. The deathknell of any Chrysler engine, running it, low on oil and not using full synthetic, as well as using the wrong kind of coolant.
This engine is very Pentastar looking. From the design of the oil filter housing, right down to the Pentastar logo on the exhaust cam sprocket.
It looks like a really nice well-made engine, too bad some parts were cheap. Interesting to see how an engine like this looks on the inside.
Thank you Bill from PA!
Thank you Bill!
Thanks Bill!
Being a turbocharged engine is even more important to use oil that complies with engine oil specification. To mention also that there are on the market counterfeit engines oils.
I really wish I could've given you the engine that blew up in my truck a while back, there was some serious carnage in there
Would be neat if a manufacturer would add a sensor to the tensioner for when it's maxed out in order to potentially save the engine. Can't imagine it would be difficult or expensive.
Thanks to Mr Bill
One thing this channel proves is negligent maintenance will kill literally anything. Except maybe a Buick 3800 or a Jeep 4.0. But even then they are killable.
I’ve dealt with dozens of these engines. Installing the two pieces of hardware that retain the passenger side turbo drain line to the turbo, with the engine in the car, might be the most agonizing installation of hardware I’ve ever experienced. This ChryRarri is a nightmare.
Remind me to never take one of these on as a project. I bet it’s super fun in the car 😂
It’s about 2 inches above that “structural” engine oil pan’s abutment… and it’s biblical in it’s cruelty. I genuinely wish you had the engine harness and turbos on the engine… cause damn if it isn’t a lesson in patience.
"You put the balm on? Who told you to put the balm on? I didn't tell you to put the balm on. Why'd you put the balm on? You haven't even been to see the doctor. If you're gonna put a balm on, let a doctor put a balm on."
LMFAO good one! 😂
I'm noticing there are "pentastar" markings throughout this Maserati engine. Almost as if it also resides in the Volkswagen routan Chrysler town and country as well as the dodge Grand caravan and jeep Wrangler.
Thanks, Bill.
Ever thought of getting a little rolling side table to hold tools? Since it's obviously impractical to have a shop assistant standing around like the OR nurse in a bad hospital drama.
Doc: "Forceps."
>nurse passes forceps<
Doc: "Retractor."
>nurse passes retractor<
Doc: "Impact wrench, 5/8"
driver"
...
Thanks Bill.
Man, Eric has the COOLEST fidget spinners!
Just noticed Eric reminds me of a short Adam Sandler with cool tools. It seems like a crazy point of failure for an expensive engine.
Before you said it i kept thinking man of all the 3.6 penestar engines ive replaced this sure looks like a souped up version of one those cam position sensors would definitely bolt right up to a chrysler minivan😂
This engine is a modified pentastar the engines are cast in the kokomo plant where the pentastar is made then shipped to modena for final assembly.
I'm pretty surprised that this engine doesn't seem so complex for being an engine in an Italian sports car. Albeit it is already out of the engine and missing the turbos. Still, I'm pretty shocked.
honestly, its only half of the engine that gets put into the sportscars. its really complicated when you add the other 6 cylinders!
Thanks to you I Googled why the tensioners are "plastic". To call some timing chain guides plastic is not accurate. The materials used by manufacturers are highly engineered resins and structural fibers... So, why aren’t all timing chain guides made of metal? The simple answer is noise.
I high fived me when you used a box and peanuts...brilliant!
Best Saturday night show
Those head bolts sound like my body when I wake up in the morning
The block casting is indeed a bit different, as is the machining. The heads are really just a modification to Chrysler heads performed by Ferrari. So most everything is just different enough but still very similar. These are fabulous engines but the oil must be changed every 5-6k miles. Going 8-10k is far too long as it leads to what we see here…..
Apart from using hyvo chains and poor guides this looks to be a very nice design, obviously the owner didn't like to change his oil so causing excess wear and contamination. Much better than the timing set ups on German engines and it appears not to be overload with sensors.
That is a pentastar with metal valve covers if I’ve ever seen one
Glad to see you packing up that water pump. Those thirsty children in Africa surely will appreciate such a thoughful donation.
The noise the oil pump made was quite amusing. The Allen bolts are an interesting choice - is there any actual advantage to those? Seems like the fastener may be harder to damage, but you would have to replace your bits more often than with regular external hex heads.
Do a teardown on a 3.2 FSI PLEASE. Also a 5SFE 2.2 Toyota engine!
So that is where I get my RockAuto parts. Good to know.
Great channel Eric! I have an LT1 I am swapping into my 1997 2-door Tahoe and loved your teardown video on it. Want to buy the 5.7L Vortec I took out of the truck? Allaccessories, brackets, etc included.
This is the only channel where "Oh! That's not good!" actually means the opposite
I build vintage air cooled VW’s. I would totally use one of these in mid engine configuration on a Bug or Ghia. Just so people could trip out on those valve covers
Please tear down a 1.8 from a 2016 Chevy Sonic, and a 2.4 SRT4 engine out of a 2003 PT Cruiser GT.
30:05 you gave my cats a heckin concern.
How many engines have we seen on this channel which were killed by the consequences of timing chain guide failure? Bits of crappy yellow plastic crumbling into the oil galleries, or brittle disintegrations leading to valve timing mayhem. It was better in the days of belts. My diesel Golf GTi has 305k miles on it and runs sweetly. It's on its fifth timing belt.
Well done Bill!! 👏
Very good mechanic but the only fault on that engine was the lack of engine oil that wore down the plastic chain guides resulting on falling down in pieces to restrict the oil flow and that's the damages!! When draining the engine oil about four liter's of water come out against maybe two liters of oil and from the oil filter conditions that engine did not see many recommended services!! Also if you look at the inside of the tappets covers you will see the dryness and that's caused from the wrong oil viscosity in other words using a cheap engine oil! The spark plugs that come out of it are the NGK platinum/Iridium good for 120.000 km and those look replaced so that engine may have over 150.000 km and the engine was still going well most probably .. Excellent results but if we could have seen the turbos I could have been more specific . Have a nice day.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I did not see the cam shaft removed out this engine? I was a bit eager to see its condition because if the crank journals had excessive wear I would bet there would have been excessive wear on the lobes as well. Guess we'll never know.
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics did a Maserati a few months ago - it also had timing chain/guide problems. Seems like a poor design somehow - not surprising as it's a Chrysler...
33:30 "The power of the hammer COMPELS you, brother! The power of the hammer COMPELS you!" 😂
All was good and calm for me until 35:33 minutes, that's when I broke out into tears of laughter...
For some reason, this reminds me of the Chrysler 2.7 liter V-6. It was one of the most nightmarish engines ever created. Haha.
Thanks to the donar and to you for this. I won’t blame the engineering when the engine is run low on oil and it’s not changed. They probably followed Alfa’s interval ( leased car ? ) instead of every 3-5k like people who want their cars to last do. Then again those v6 motors with their timing chains. Those Audis with the rear mounted chains 😂. This looks almost as terrible . #Salute to you for powering through that disassembly .
The TAU completely thrashes this thing. The problem here is the manufacturer, Ferrari related or not...
You're telling me my Jeep has a Ferrari engine in it? Nice!
The factory oil change interval is 12,500 miles or once a year
15:30 Should've put a fragile sticker on it lmao
Funny how the sound of the water pump spinning sounds a lot like the exhaust note of a turboV6 Maserati.
Thanks bill
the way you throw parts I am glad I dont do shop cleanup !
This engine has nothing to do with Ferrari - that’s a different engine.
This is a Chrysler job. Probably even made in America somewhere and shipped to the Maserati factory.
Thanks Bill 👍
First time watching a new video!
So, Maserati copied the F150 5.4L 3V ? Similar design. With an oil change interval of 12,500 miles, should this be expected ?
That oil pump makes a pretty good duck call.
The burnt oil flashing all over the valve covers we shouldn't expect to see that in a properly maintained engine with modern oil would we? I thought valve covers and oil pans looking like that were a thing of the past unless you severely neglect the service?
I'm still waiting for a Volvo engine to show up. Doubt it will be a B230 since I've never heard of one breaking without being SERIOUSLY abused, but a 5 cylinder would be nice also.
Freaky how similar to the GM 3.6 also. The pattern and spacing seems pretty close.
I lobe your sense of humor.
Ah, Maserati Ghibli, love his movies.
Bet it had a bad cam phaser the exhaust one rocked back and advanced timing when he turned it over.
I can afford a maserati but because of this video I appreciate my honda crv
That valve train is almost identical to the 3.6 pentastar
Paccar MX13? I'm curious as to why those were so unreliable when I drove truck. As a fair warning though, it is a 13-liter turbodiesel.
I'm betting it's the Chain Tensioners that destroyed this engine. It lost tension, jumped timing and ate away the chain guides that lead to oil starvation that destroyed the rest of the components. It's the same with BMW motorcycles. I hate those crappy oil driven chain tensioners with very weak springs. I consider them as a consumable part and needed to be checked every 10K KM service.
Thanks phil, err I mean Bill
Is it possible that the plastic timing guide fell apart and its pieces clogged the oil return which caused the scoring and bigger engine failure? (I'm not a car guy, so please forgive me if my question is dumb!)
Not dumb. I wonder the same thing. Probably also lack of oi) chan he es.
According to one of the top engineers at Honda the main problem with engine librication is the frequency of the change, 5,000 km (3,000 miles) max, evidently the quality of the oil is not as important at those intervals and neither is the oil filter.
In fact he said the proper oil filter would last for a couple of oil change cycles if you stick to the 5,000 km interval.
@@vumba1331 "According to one of the top engineers at Honda the main problem with engine librication is the frequency of the change, 5,000 km (3,000 miles) max" Who said that? Maserati specify an oil change interval of 10,000-15,000 miles (i.e., up to 30,000km) on the Ghibli in any case. In theory, long life synthetic oil still lubricate OK at 30,000km, whether they have caused some varnish, be dirty and have a bit of sludging though I'm not too sure.
It's really disturbing how many modern, expensive engines use plastic timing guides. disaster waiting to happen. The old cam in block pushrod engines didn't have those problems.
Just here for the Water Pump skits at this point.
Good job
"Dipstick vibes". LOL
That plastic oil cap is identical to the one in my Ferrari that I have since replaced with the Ferrari Titanium one. Other than that, it’s no Ferrari engine. And Ferrari’s are all one time use Oetiker clamps.