Is hand filing a chain saw the best? Maybe... MAYBE NOT!
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Sharpening your chainsaw can be done a lot of ways ... some guys like to hand file ...others bench grind ...some use a rotary tool grinder...I don't care if you use a brick...as long as you can get it sharp and it cuts...GREAT! Sharp is sharp no matter the method. I hand filed for 30 years to sharpen my chains and now after 12 years or so of using a Dremel rotary tool and a Oregon stone bit to sharpen, I can accomplish the same sharpness either way but one way is 4-5 times as fast. Watch!
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Hello from Bavaria
First of all, I don't want to criticize you!!, but personally I don't think hand filing is bad, I like to do it to relax after I've finished working, I then sit down in the basement, put the chains on, put on some music and then file for relaxation, I find it like a kind of ritual or a kind of ASMR
Yup, sharp is the goal and if you like your method that is great!
I hand file when im at home, therapeutic to me. I enjoy making things sharp. When out cutting, I take extra chains, and a battery powered dremel tool ( as you mentioned ). If an emergency arises. To each his own. Whatever makes one 😊 happy.
Good stuff!
Didn’t realize hitting the rakers from different sides. Thanks!!
You can get them from the same side but you will get a lot of "chatter" and not as even of a stroke or material removed.
@@InTheWoodyard appreciate it. Love your channel. I use the zip ties on the handle too. Great practical information. Love my Tundra too!!
Since I watched your video on using the Dremel, I ordered some bits. I have never been able to sharpen a saw. The Dremel works great and my saws are cutting better than ever and they stay sharp longer. I used to use a chain far too long before getting them sharpened. I hate cutting with a dull saw. Now I touch up my saws at the end of each day of cutting and am always cutting with a sharp chain. It is so much nicer. Thank you for that video,
Sounds good...keep cuttin'!
Anything worth doing does not have to be done perfectly the first time! Great information Chris, thanks! GNI
Very true!
Your analogy of a handsaw verse a chainsaw is spot on. When I’m cutting a 2 x 4, I prefer my circular saw over a hand saw.
Yup, me too!
I have used a file(files) a lot, however; your method is so much faster.........time to learn a new trick!!!! Great vid and tutorial!!!
Thanks!
Gonna get me a drimmel today only got one saw but I like to touch the chain up often got to have sharp chain great video
Awesome!
To be honest you have peaked my curiosity about your friend who uses two different grinders to sharpen chain I would definitely like to see that in a video. I'm always interested in different ways to get a sharp chain. You just never know which one you're going to like the best and works for you the best
Check out his channel...Berts custom cuts.
We heated our house with wood when I was a kid. I have been sharpening saws sense I was 14. I'm 57 now . 15 years ago I bought a bench to wheel sharpener, Still use the same one. different grinding wheel. Hand filed in the woods. A year ago I bought a nice cordless Dremel. FREAKIN LOVE IT. It is mostly what I use now at home and in the woods. And I used to square file by hand.
That is awesome! Sharp is all that matters!
@InTheWoodyard Yeah. I watched your first video on it and was sold. I never looked back. Thank You my NE Wisconsin friend. You and your wife ever wanna come up the Green Bay way , my wife and I will take treat you to fish at one of our favorite places, Eddie Whipp's. Best wallye you'll ever find.
I used to hand file my chains, but once I tried an electric tool like yours, I was sold. It is quick, handy and does a great job. I power mine from the 120-volt outlet that came in my truck bed. I use a stump vise, but I like your setup much better in the truck bed.
Very cool!
Morning Chris , you are the reason I bought a rechargeable rotary tool so I can sharpen my saws on the go . 👍🏻🇺🇸
Great!
Amazing difference 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching!
Good Morning The Dremel Rules here, thanks to you my friend, Even the Halverson gets the Dremel 👏🪵👍🏼
Nice!
great segment Chris. Youve done these before but this time i really appreciated the close ups. i think it really demonstrated the technique. thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
It works! You sharpened my 592 last weekend and it was just as good as it was new
Hello there Sir Aaron!
I hand filed for over thirty years. With the firewood processor we have now, it has .404 chain so I bought an electric bench mount sharpener from Vevor and it works great to keep a consistent edge on the teeth. I took the chain off of my echo saw the other day and tried it on the electric sharpener and did it ever do a good job and brought that chain back to almost new! GNI.
Nice!!!!
That’s experience Chris, but everyone needs to learn😊
Love the Pope, nice touch Chris❤
Thanks!
G’morning Chris. Thank you fer da ‘splaining !! I’ve used every single sharpening style there is ! I use my cheapy bench grinder and the dremel. Sharpen everything all at once, and switch out chainsa as needed. Great camera-ing !!
GoodNightIrene.
Thanks Mr. Minysotta!
Lots of great information Chris 👍
Thanks!
I started hand filing when I was ten years old, I am 64 today. Growing up on a dirt farm and we heated by wood, I was tasked with putting up 6 cord per year. 7 years ago I discovered the Timberline Sharpening system, will never free hand file a chain again. 3 times the life in a chain with a consistent factory edge. Best money I ever spent and run a fleet of 8 saws.
Nice!
Another great sharpening video Keep up the great work!
Thanks again! Will do!
thanks for the tips
Thanks for watching!
Whatever works!! Hand file is all I do but I’m still open to start using the dremel method. Take care Chris. 👍🏻👍🏻GNI
Yup, I am happy if you are! Keep cuttin'!
Hi Chris nice chain saw love them and you need to sharpen and check ( Ty Ron
Thanks!
Nice video Chris. I have no qualms about sharpening, your favorite method is the best. I strongly agree that beginners need to learn to hand file before attempting a rotary stone. Cheater safety glasses is what I learned today. Someone said the Pope prefers hand filing. GNI
Yup, cheaters are nice!
I love the easy button and my Dremmel just happens to have one.
Next to the zip tie measuring device, the Dremmel sharpening tool has saved me untold hrs. ìn my woodyard.
No argument here.
nice!
I like to use both personally. I can get a chain sharp with a dremel but I do just a little bit better hand filing. I keep a cordless dremel in the truck for out in the woods bc it is so much faster. Then if I have a day where I'm not cutting I'll sit down in the garage, turn on some tunes, and hand file.
Sounds great...keep cuttin'!
I’m a file in golf ball guy. I find it relaxing along with some classic rock playing on the bench. It’s like handloading bench ammo for my target rifles which is a great way to repair the brain . Not a thing wrong with all the ways to sharpening a chain, sharp is sharp.
Yup, sharp is good!
Is there still people that have problems with drimmel? LOL oh Lord, thanks for video Chris,and for teaching me the drimmel
Yup, some do.
If hit rock your talking half hour with file. I touch up my chain with cordless rotary tool. I used an Oregon one that plugged in to lighter or clamped onto a battery for years. If a rock a chain I take it off and use bench grinder to bring it back to life. I also use the bench grinder for the depth gauge. When get 10 chains I just spend couple hours getting them back to new.
Nice!
Another thing to consider, it's hard to find good files these days. I found a 20 year old box of "the Best". and the last popular brand name ones I bought seem dull right out of the box by comparison.
I have a box of OREGON ones now and they are good.
I use the Stihl 2 in 1 file along with a Sharp Pebble electric sharpener. The Stihl file is pretty awesome, throws big chips in 4 or 5 passes. The sharp pebble is way faster of course, gets nearly as sharp as the Stihl file. Biggest downfall is how much material they eat up if youre not careful. To each their own.
Yup, sharp is what matters!
Your handsaw V chainsaw analogy?.
I was at our country show the other day, I was watching the woodchop events when the cross cut saw competition started. Those old boys with those cross cut saws were something to see! A 60cm (2 bananas) thick log ( Australian hardwood), the winners- 13 strokes of the cross cut, maybe 10 or 12 seconds? I reckon if I put my 60cc chainsaw up against them , I would be going home with my tail between my legs !
PS I haven't picked up a file since your video convinced me to try the dremel a few months back!
Yup, they are very fast but how long can they keep that up??? A few minutes maybe. I will stick with my saws!
@@InTheWoodyard me too! But I am not making any bets down the pub!
I use a Milwaukee M12 version of a Dremel I take it with me everywhere 💪
Nice!
Great review of a daily task.
Thanks!
Love the sharpening video up close. Can learn a lot while watching others. How do you put in an order for your sharpening vice?
Thanks...email us at maryinthewoodyard@gmail.com
Good morning Chris!!😀😀
I never thought about using a brick. LOL!! Have to try that.
It's all 6 one half dozen the other.
I agree 100 percent that what ever works for you is what you should do!!
Take care my friend!!😀😀💚💚
Logger Al
Yup, as long as it is sharp!
Dremel is great and the Oregon stone bits are definitely better than the Chinese diamond bits
Yup!!
great video
Thanks!
The 11th commandment...Thou shall watch In the Woodyard every morning!🙏🙏
Ha! I like it!
I still want to buy one of those vises!!
We will get some made when Bert gets time...soon I hope!
Chris.. just today I saw the third or fourth news story about those electric bikes catching fire while in storage or kept inside. The county fire marshal now has an official site to warn people of the dangers. Thought you might like to know. I think I'd have to think hard before I wheeled one in my hundred year old wooden barn. Just trying to help, keep up the good work!
Yup, good point...most of the time it is people leaving them on constant charge...plugged in.
my truck has 110 like a house so i would use a extension cord with a dremmel tool unless it blew fuses then i coulduse a box like yours
Yup your truck outlet would be fine!
Dremels work great.
Yup!!!
Id send Bert one of the custom made sharpening wheels from the local saw shop.
But near $350 is out of my budget.
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Its advertised as being made from.
Cubic Boron Nitrde
He will see this and check into it...thanks!
Chris since I started sharping the way you do my chain is sharper. Chris what’s your recommendation on chain replacement ? Stay with the same brand of chain? Or is one chain a little better than the other? Thanks Chris
I like the OREGON and the HUSQVARNA chains a lot...and the Stihl chains are okay but they stretch a lot and need tightening often.
Good Friday morning Chris..
Hello Bobby!
Thinking of trying this.
What speed are you running on the Dremel?
11 out of 10....wide open!
File guy at heart but use all three methods, in defense of the Dremel method I find when using a file if I continue to file after the tooth is sharp I remove too much material as well.😉🤐
Yup, they all work.
Chris your TOOL BOX 📦 got everything but the KITCHEN SINK 😮. need to go Bjarne butler get his POWER WEDGE on WOOD BOSS CA . 😊
Power wedge is a great idea if you want less lift but easier, buy two for double stacking.
Yup.
Correct me if I am wrong.
A sharp saw runs cooler and is a happier saws.😉👍
You are correct!
I might have missed it, but where do you get the bits for the Dremmel? And do you just get the same size as the recommended file size?
They are Oregon 7/32" stone bits about $7 for a 3 pack and I get them at our mans mall "Fleet Farm" Most pro saw shops should have them.
@@InTheWoodyard and I commented too soon!! Just caught it at the end 😬
Any comments/information about some diamond bits if they work or last longer than the Oregon bits?
Chris discussed them in a previous video likes and dislikes, dremel brand bits as well. Take note of which bits he is still using.
They work but I like the stone Oregon bits better.
Yup!
Great video Chris. Can you tell me what model of Dremal that you use ?
I have 5 of them...the 3000 maybe in the video?? They all work. $60-100?? depending on the model.
Folks, listen to experience and success... Once you figure out the Dremel tool method... It saves, time, money and allows you to cut longer .. I used to use the original RotoZip tool before tge Dremel ... Dremel is a lot smaller and easier to handle.. I hand filed for 20 years and have used the electrical device since the 90's... Game changer
PS... That vice that Bert made is an absolute essential tool to have in your kit/truck.... so much easier to maneuver it instead of chasing the saw around .. It allows you to spin that chain and continue sharpening
GNI
The Bert vice works great I have been using a similar home modified stump vice version for years.
thanks!
Where can I purchase the sled/vise?
email me at chrisinthewoodyard@gmail.com and I will put you on the list for when we make another batch.
How can I get, In The Wood Yard stickers?
I just got some to hand out when I am at logging/firewood shows.
what attachment is that for Dremel
It is a Oregon 7/32 stone bit..3 pack is about $7
Folks act like these chains are made of gold and to throw one away would be an admission of guilt. I've probably lost more chains than I've ever worn out. If something works better one way vs the other then it kinda sorta makes sense to do it that way. Even in 2024
Yup, they are disposable.
How often does everyone flip their bar?
every new chain minimum, I dress and flip the bar as needed.
Yup!
Every new chain or so.
I like the Dremel!! At 72, I need all the time I can use!!! 😂😂😂 I use both electric and battery operated dremels!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
Thanks!
Grinding is way faster, easier, and better on badly dulled chains. I still carry a file into the woods with me though.
Might also depend on if counting taking the chain off from the saw, resetting grinder for left and right teeth etc? I utilize all 3
Rotary Dremel type grinding. Bench grinders take up too much space
yup
yup
They both do work well.
Way faster with dremel. Some nice saw there too.
yup, thanks!
How far down do you wear your dremel stones?
I get 4-6 sharpenings with them and then use them for something else. About the same as a file.
@@InTheWoodyard Ta, I have sharpened my chain probably 3 or 4 times with the first one i got and it doesn't look like it will last a lot longer!
How do i get on the list to get a vise?
Email us at maryinthewoodyard@gmail.com Thanks!
@@InTheWoodyard done
32,000,000..... Fantastic Chris!! 1 bite at a time!!
Yup, it is a good start!
how small do you go with the teeth. Just wondering when you consider the chain no good
I go almost all the way to witness mark and feel I have good results. However i think Chris likes to change when it's about 2/3 back.
I just did a video showing this....2/3 gone and it is time to change the chain....the closer you are to the witness marks the slower it will cut.
Yup.
I watch all the videos and must have missed that thanks for the responses I was wondering if I was retiring the chains early I go until the teeth are pretty short and it cut good but not much left to cut. thanks again have a great one
Loggers are stihl born 😅
Okay!
how do you know when to change the dremel bit?
From what I remember of Chris’s video, the bit will have a “u” shape in it or a bowl shape to it.
You can see it getting worn down and it does not "fill" the C shape of the tooth.
yup
People are just stuck in their ways and don't want change. I've met some old timers that absolutely hate the fact that I can successfully sharpen 4 chains before they can do 1, and I do it with a battery powered dremmel! They hate battery power, technology, and change! 🤣
Yup, people fear change!
On average how many 24" chains can you sharpen with one bit?
3-4 chain average really depends on just touching up or straightening out a rocked chain. That is if using a Oregon bit vs a junk pink Dremel bit.🤨
3-5 depending on how bad they are.
yup.
Thank you for your response.
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Thanks!!
Are you going to have a video with your dad soon?
Probably not, he does not do much with wood or outdoor work any more...he likes to walk with his dog mostly. I would like to maybe do an interview about he old times but he has almost no hearing any more and won't wear his aids so you have to yell to talk so....
@@InTheWoodyard Do it anyway! If it is not to your YT liking it will always be family quality.
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Thanks!
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Thanks!!!
Try the 'other' hand filing method: PFERD CHAINSHARP ( used by Stihl 2in1 ) for each chain type except skip, square, hex. Does BOTH edge and raker. I get no hat or shirt or commission. 😁Good job for a pro.
Is it adjustable for depth gauge hardwood soft wood frozen wood?
@@iffykidmn8170 I use the same tool, both versions for different saws. They are not adjustable but all 3 files are replaceable. By 3 files I mean; the 2 round files as well as the square file used for the rackers. Hope this helps. 👍🏻
@@iffykidmn8170 NO. The depth gauge/raker is set at .025 for both. Goldilocks setting for most, not for pros needing more adjustment for soft vs hard woods.For my harvesting 6-8 cords hardwood/year and sruce/fir trail clearing it has served for my saws. Good question.
Thanks for the tip!
Yup, I like a more aggressive chain too.
That stuff takes forever to dry
Like oak it does dry slow!
Fricking filing fine. Kinda dull vid...but what do I know? Zip! 6 outta 10 professor. I think.
Thanks for watching!
Depth Gauges are flat. no need to switch sides.
as long as you can live with the file chatter.
@@iffykidmn8170 ?? I have no issue filing.
they are flat from the Factory . That file Gauge Chris shown in the Video is Harder than the File and lays flat across the Chain.
@@m9ovich785 actually if you look at the profile of a factory raker it is ramped shorter in the front taller at the rear, using a progressive file gauge would actually keep closer to factory ramp angles.
@@iffykidmn8170 YUP.. they are and when I file I roll off the leading edge to keep from making a sharp edge .
But across the left/right profile they are flat..
I'm a big fan of the progressive raker gage. For those learning to file, I'd suggest trying the husqvarna roller gauge to help learn the correct angles but also file some more out of the gullet so chips will flow. A good sharpening job will be at least as good or better than new out of the b9x
Good Morning Woodhounds!!(((---:::
Thanks!
It took me a bit too learn too correctly sharpen by hand,now as usual we just steal your patented method
As long as your chain is sharp it's good!
good morning Chris, your standards are slipping... ain't that a shame? i guess really you thought a video could be made if you had several to sharpen at once... here's hoping that's the explanation :)
I have no idea what you are trying to say??
@@InTheWoodyard perhaps my jokey sarcasm didn't work whilst it flew over the Atlantic... just you said normally when you're finished cutting you sharpen your chains but last time you left them... sorry for the confusion my good man
Thanks!!!