Man, I’m glad I’m not the only person on here that’s watched a Dave moss video. 😂😂 There are too many content creators that don’t do this correctly, and it’s annoying af.
Super important. Learned this in the late 80's on my moto-x bikes. I agree, lotsa creators that miss this step. Totally makes me question their knowledge.
That’s wild in all My years at a dealership I have never seen a service manual say this nor have I ever had any sort of alignment issues. The newer bikes can’t really be fucked up. Calipers have dowels so they aren’t adjusted. Wheel has spacers specific to each side, a big axle bolt threads into a hole that cannot be moved or changed without loosening the fork mounts. Then 2-4 bolts to lock it in place and keep it tight.
Good video, make sure you tighten the pinch bolts on the side with the nut. The other side is the variable side that is able to move freely and be adjusted.
@@Roller-01 Honda is just a different breed of bike. Sort of like comparing a light infantry vehicle to a tank. The CBR has a drift car turning radius where for example on my r6 and r1 I look like Austin powers on that little electric car in the tunnel all the time.
Just what I needed for my first time I taking off my front wheel myself. Despite needing to do so to replace a tire, I found out my spacer needed to be replaced. Good video bro! 👊🏾✊🏾
Interesting. I change wheels all the time and have never done this nor have I ever heard about it. This is something looking into. Learn something new everyday. Thanks for all the info you put out.
Good tips with aligning your calipers, but remember to also bounce the forks up and down to have the axle, wheel and forks where they want to be before tightening down the pinch bolts.
You know, I was just going to look this up on UA-cam and the next few days because I got to change my tire on the front of my bike. Good job bro thank you.❤
I think you may have done that wrong. The end without the nut is the part that would spin freely (since the other side would be held in place by the nut) tightening the pinch bolts on the opposite side to the spindle nut and then bouncing the bike might not have actually aligned the forks with the brake disks.
On the Aprilia the axle goes through the left leg first so it is indeed the captive side. On my bmw it goes through the right leg and screws into another collar in the left which is free to move. But it looks exactly the same as this left leg which is why I was confused at first.
Good god this channel is gonna be a life saver when I really really get into my motorcycle and have the money to work on it. Thank you. Been watching for quite some time
Its the other side without the nut that needs to be loosened after you tighten the wheel nut. The fork on the side without the nut can move freely on the axle, the other side can't after tightening. This is the correct way 👌
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I’ve been working on my bikes for 14 years and I’ve never pulled the brake lever when tightening the calliper bolts, never had an issue. The only time I’d do that is on a push bike.
Was planning on painting my rims, had everything appart except for the front brake rotor bolts. Since even Heat couldn't get them appart put everything back to how it was nice having a short alignment quide.
I hope you loosened those pinch bolts on the left before you compressed the suspension, that's the side that needs the fork leg to center up. The axle cant slide relative to the right fork once the nut is snugged up.
Just an FYI, this only has to be done if youre removing your calipers for service or swapping them out entirely. If youre only removing your front wheel and the calipers were already aligned then the front wheel should go back on with no problem and no rubbing!
IDK I'm pretty sure that's backwards cuz the gsxr are similar setup. And the side with the nut is the captive fork. The nut sets the axle with that fork and the open side is the free fork that needs to be aligned. IDK i could be wrong with that bike but I know for a fact 100% on GSXRs you need the special socket and you have to tighten the NUT side pinch bolts first then align the OPEN side fork, then tighten the OPEN side pinch bolts.
Thanks for this. My calipers sit on spigots- they can't move or align to anything. Also, none of that stuff he is is taking about could possibly tighten up in any other position than the correct one.
@hotshot2101 wrong. Unless something got bent, there is no alignment for brakes. The wheel spacers align the front wheel. The only alignment fix if forks, discs, or hangers are bent are new parts. You are clueless.
Have not had a problem with any late model bikes either doing this or not doing it. I think the forks and materials are so strong these days it is not a very big concern. In the 60s and 70s it did make a difference due to inferior metals and fork flexing. Good video though!!
That's pretty cool knowing 9/10 sport bikes crash and those that don't are returned buy older guys. Those are facts comming from the dealership who my family has done business for years and 20+ years ago. I was thinking and wanting a crotchrocket and the salesman we knew said absolutely no 9/10 crash and high death high bad injurie and then old guys just trade them in quick for a four wheeler and dirt bike or 2 four wheelers. That salesman saved my life 💯 by telling it straight.
I few questions (I have never worked on a sport bike) 1.unless the axel is cammed then how does it effect the alignment. 2. The bike was already setting on the forks so what did putting it on the tire compressing the suspension then lifting it back up on the forks do. 3. Unless the calipers have in and out adjustment why do they need to be clamped down before tightening them up (this is one of the benefits of disk brakes they are self adjusting)
They also don't really care what happens to the parts as long as it gets through a singular race, teams cut a bunch of corners to get what needs done done. No race mech can truthfully maintain their own machines the same way they take care of race machines. High level motorsport racing also used specialized parts, not designed for regular use anyway
Excellent! Thanks! My 2023 Hayabusa manual states to first torque the axle nut to proper torque then tighten the axle nut side pinch bolts to torque values. After pressing the handle bars several times, torque the pinch bolts on the other side. So maybe Aprilia has different alignment methods???
Incorrect steps. Wheel up. Axle in and nut on. All nuts and bolts loose. Snug up the axle bolt. Spin front wheel, apply front brake, repeat a couple of times. Disc/ wheel is now centered. Compress front brake with a lever (locking on) and tighten. lower wheel to ground. Left twin bolts are still loose. Firmly compress forks on ground so that free side/left floats to find it's natural center of fork travel. Snug up. Lift wheel Torque to specs. Unless these steps aren't done in this order the fork bushings will wear unevenly.
@Mike Ames the sliders should be aligned correctly. The front end of a bike is a delicate mechanism. A Lot of stuff relies on stuff being set up correctly. Incorrect front end setup can end up with tank slappers. If it were my bike I'd fix it. Ride safe mate!
Yo congratulations on 70k and this came perfect time I have to change the front tire for my project bike and thought you just threw it on there and hit the road. 😂
You are supposed to tighten the pich bolts opposite the nut just to torque the nut. Then loosen the pinch bolts again. Then have someone compress the forks while holding the brake, while you torque the pinch bolts. This process is to make sure the fork tubes are perfectly aligned, otherwise you will have undue wear and damage to your fork internals. Not really sure what you are "aligning" with calipers, because the pistons will center themselves to the rotors.
Never seen it done like this before. I tighten in the same order just didn't lower the front to the ground, bounce the front end then raise again before torque the caliper bolts. I think that's what I saw?
If the correct torque settings are used itnshould be in alignment... the bearings and spacers set the alignment not the pinchbolts. If you are adjusting the forks I would say the step of lowering the bike and compressing can help but not for a wheel removal. Also the discs are floating usually the caliper is floating you have no alignment on a caliper for that reason so it all seems a lot of work for nothing tbh.
My caliper bolts are not 25 foot pounds. They are 33 foot pounds. Arbitrarily throwing out torque specs for one bike doesn’t help anybody with a different bike. They’re all going to be different.
@@thagingerninjer5391 you got the point, not to over tighten. Measure twice, cut once? Please, nobody is going to use my specs for their bike. Are they stupid? Did I mention a specific bike. I’m sorry I didn’t bring my crayon’s
Love to see him do it wrong, the pinch bolts on the side without the nut need to be loose when compressing the fork so the left fork tube can move freely on the spindle and align itself.
lesson to anyone watching this who wants a bike he's doing a major service job himself, let that sink in it's in his driveway he's doing it cuz all garage suc
before you even try to lift the front of the bike up, make sure that you have a proper jack like the one he is using in this video. don’t try to get a normal hydraulic/scissor jack for cars and put it underneath the engine/oil pan. your bike will be very unstable and it may fall over twice and break your fairings and mirrors. that happened to me.
Does this apply to dirt bikes also? I've been riding dirt for 38yrs, got my boys riding and we always work on our own bikes and I never heard about doing this.
It’s nice to see someone showing how to do stuff the right way. Keep it up 👍🏻
How do you know its correct?
@@bluedogsalvage5246 you don't need to.
@@Umoddafokka it helps if you want to do something correctly
It is not the correct way
It is not the correct way unfortunately.
Man, I’m glad I’m not the only person on here that’s watched a Dave moss video. 😂😂 There are too many content creators that don’t do this correctly, and it’s annoying af.
He setup my race bike when i was racing afm. Taught me a lot
@@adobomoto I just pay him money to watch his videos sometimes. I wish he were closer. 😂😩
@@adobomoto I do hope to get him to remote tune my bike some time this track season, though.
Super important. Learned this in the late 80's on my moto-x bikes. I agree, lotsa creators that miss this step. Totally makes me question their knowledge.
A lot of the videos I see here is just a copy of Dave Moss. 🤦♂️
That’s wild in all
My years at a dealership I have never seen a service manual say this nor have I ever had any sort of alignment issues. The newer bikes can’t really be fucked up. Calipers have dowels so they aren’t adjusted. Wheel has spacers specific to each side, a big axle bolt threads into a hole that cannot be moved or changed without loosening the fork mounts. Then 2-4 bolts to lock it in place and keep it tight.
This. The whole video felt reeeaally strange to me. What alignment, what the heck, how and why😂
I thought the same until I had a problem with brakes after tyres changing in s1000r 😂 after alignment everything is good.
I did see that on a few bike that have recently rolled in. Some bikes need it and others do not
My RC390 owner’s manual details similar sequence for mounting the front wheel 🤷♂️
Good video, make sure you tighten the pinch bolts on the side with the nut. The other side is the variable side that is able to move freely and be adjusted.
That’s cool and all but my owners manual just says to slap it on and use a torque wrench👍
@@Roller-01 Honda is just a different breed of bike. Sort of like comparing a light infantry vehicle to a tank. The CBR has a drift car turning radius where for example on my r6 and r1 I look like Austin powers on that little electric car in the tunnel all the time.
I agree I've had many bikes many brands, none ever showed this process, not saying he did anything wrong but kind of unnecessary steps...
@Andy B not at all, its for brake pad alignment though
@@indianftrtard7899I hope that’s a joke
@@andyb9994and yeah there is no brake alignment or wheel alignment he’s just making shit up to make himself look good on the internet
Just what I needed for my first time I taking off my front wheel myself. Despite needing to do so to replace a tire, I found out my spacer needed to be replaced. Good video bro! 👊🏾✊🏾
Interesting. I change wheels all the time and have never done this nor have I ever heard about it. This is something looking into. Learn something new everyday. Thanks for all the info you put out.
Good tips with aligning your calipers, but remember to also bounce the forks up and down to have the axle, wheel and forks where they want to be before tightening down the pinch bolts.
You know, I was just going to look this up on UA-cam and the next few days because I got to change my tire on the front of my bike. Good job bro thank you.❤
Even though i don't have big bikes, i learn a lot from you sir. Salamat. Pohon maka bigbike ko I'll remember your tips
I think you may have done that wrong. The end without the nut is the part that would spin freely (since the other side would be held in place by the nut) tightening the pinch bolts on the opposite side to the spindle nut and then bouncing the bike might not have actually aligned the forks with the brake disks.
I was actually about to comment this. I was thinking the exact same thing as you.
On the Aprilia the axle goes through the left leg first so it is indeed the captive side. On my bmw it goes through the right leg and screws into another collar in the left which is free to move. But it looks exactly the same as this left leg which is why I was confused at first.
Good god this channel is gonna be a life saver when I really really get into my motorcycle and have the money to work on it. Thank you. Been watching for quite some time
This is like the motorcycle riding I uncle I wish I had 😪 lol but you’re videos help a lot thanks!
I don’t even ride and I love these educational vids. Amazing work
Very informative. I've done this job on multiple BMW bikes, the manual we had there didn't say anything about this.
Love this video bro... just about to do my bike bike licence and get my first 600. Don't know much about mechanics so really appreciate this video
This seems like good practice even if the manual doesn’t call for it. I think I may start doing something similar.
I went to school for motorcycle mechanics and they definitely did not teach us this. Also I've never done it and I've also never had a problem.
good to know i’m never going to do this now 😅
@@Slowkat the only part of this i do is tightening the brake calipers evenly. after the wheel has been tight.
@@matthewglaze5398 ok thanks i appreciate the info
@@Slowkat no problem. Just pay attention to where your spacers come out of each side of the wheel so you know where they go back and all will be fine.
@Supa Trending Daily that's great advice.
Its the other side without the nut that needs to be loosened after you tighten the wheel nut.
The fork on the side without the nut can move freely on the axle, the other side can't after tightening.
This is the correct way 👌
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That was awesome, thank you for making this video! 👍🏼😎🙏
A good shop manual will tell you all this too. It's similar on my rune.
Thanks for good info mate keep it up 👍
I’ve been working on my bikes for 14 years and I’ve never pulled the brake lever when tightening the calliper bolts, never had an issue. The only time I’d do that is on a push bike.
Love the video..good attention to detail of how to do it right the first time.
Yo this is so useful. Keep it up Adobo👍
One of your best videos
Thanks
Very methodic that's why I like your videos even if I don't have a bike
I have never did this in my 25 yrs of riding sport bikes and never had seen anyone doing this and I ride like a maniac
Was planning on painting my rims, had everything appart except for the front brake rotor bolts. Since even Heat couldn't get them appart put everything back to how it was nice having a short alignment quide.
Its amazing when you realize just how little is actually holding the forks to the frame and the wheel to fhe forks.
Doing alignment just makes sense.
I only have a Bicycle, usually the ones with Quick Release has alignment issues.
Thru axles not as much.
I hope you loosened those pinch bolts on the left before you compressed the suspension, that's the side that needs the fork leg to center up. The axle cant slide relative to the right fork once the nut is snugged up.
That's what I said and he lmfao'd me and told me it makes no difference. He doesn't understand how this works. O well I tried ,lol.
I noticed he wasn't too interested in fixing his mistake lol, I juat feel bad for anyone who thinks this a "tutorial" haha
So is everything supposed to be loose before compressing the suspension?
Your bike is very nice 🔥💪
Just an FYI, this only has to be done if youre removing your calipers for service or swapping them out entirely. If youre only removing your front wheel and the calipers were already aligned then the front wheel should go back on with no problem and no rubbing!
Love the video bro
Are you a motorcycle mechanic? You’re so knowledgeable when it comes to bikes
IDK I'm pretty sure that's backwards cuz the gsxr are similar setup. And the side with the nut is the captive fork. The nut sets the axle with that fork and the open side is the free fork that needs to be aligned. IDK i could be wrong with that bike but I know for a fact 100% on GSXRs you need the special socket and you have to tighten the NUT side pinch bolts first then align the OPEN side fork, then tighten the OPEN side pinch bolts.
It's not quite this complicated. I was in the bike business for 17 years. Unless you bent something, it aligns itself and calipers stay on center.
Definitely
Thanks for this. My calipers sit on spigots- they can't move or align to anything. Also, none of that stuff he is is taking about could possibly tighten up in any other position than the correct one.
Not true when you have floating front disc brakes guy has a valid point.
@hotshot2101 wrong. Unless something got bent, there is no alignment for brakes. The wheel spacers align the front wheel. The only alignment fix if forks, discs, or hangers are bent are new parts. You are clueless.
@@bluedogsalvage5246 his bike has floating rotors so the calipers don’t have alignment pins so you do have to align the calipers the way he showed it.
Have not had a problem with any late model bikes either doing this or not doing it. I think the forks and materials are so strong these days it is not a very big concern. In the 60s and 70s it did make a difference due to inferior metals and fork flexing. Good video though!!
Super well made video!
That's pretty cool knowing 9/10 sport bikes crash and those that don't are returned buy older guys. Those are facts comming from the dealership who my family has done business for years and 20+ years ago. I was thinking and wanting a crotchrocket and the salesman we knew said absolutely no 9/10 crash and high death high bad injurie and then old guys just trade them in quick for a four wheeler and dirt bike or 2 four wheelers. That salesman saved my life 💯 by telling it straight.
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I few questions (I have never worked on a sport bike)
1.unless the axel is cammed then how does it effect the alignment.
2. The bike was already setting on the forks so what did putting it on the tire compressing the suspension then lifting it back up on the forks do.
3. Unless the calipers have in and out adjustment why do they need to be clamped down before tightening them up (this is one of the benefits of disk brakes they are self adjusting)
I didnt know this. I been on bikes for 40+ years. Thanks. Great short vids
I make sure the forks are straight but I don't worry about the brake alignment - the calipers or rotors float.
Strange how they don’t do that on race bikes every time they change a wheel.
It’s probably one big nut like f1 cars
They also don't really care what happens to the parts as long as it gets through a singular race, teams cut a bunch of corners to get what needs done done. No race mech can truthfully maintain their own machines the same way they take care of race machines.
High level motorsport racing also used specialized parts, not designed for regular use anyway
We don't do it becaus there is absolutely no diference, there are not enough tolerance for parts to move around
Excellent! Thanks!
My 2023 Hayabusa manual states to first torque the axle nut to proper torque then tighten the axle nut side pinch bolts to torque values. After pressing the handle bars several times, torque the pinch bolts on the other side. So maybe Aprilia has different alignment methods???
Never knew there was so much involved on just replacing the front wheel
I need to do that... I didn't last year and I can tell!
Great video ! 👍🏼
But definitely don't Have to do this
It's a great idea though
You definitely HAVE to do this, or your brakes will wear unevenly and the front end will shake.
@Tha Ginger Ninjer no its not mandatory, but I guess if you have time, why not.
It is definitely mandatory. If you don’t have time to do it right, you shouldn’t be doing it.
@@thagingerninjer5391 No it isn't. Optional, yes. Necessary? No.
@@GTI1dasOriginal it is absolutely necessary. Not my fault you’ve been doing it wrong, and now you’re Butt hurt about it.
Good information for those starting out
Philip pine all the way,spot on ❤
Incorrect steps. Wheel up. Axle in and nut on. All nuts and bolts loose. Snug up the axle bolt. Spin front wheel, apply front brake, repeat a couple of times. Disc/ wheel is now centered. Compress front brake with a lever (locking on) and tighten. lower wheel to ground. Left twin bolts are still loose. Firmly compress forks on ground so that free side/left floats to find it's natural center of fork travel. Snug up. Lift wheel Torque to specs.
Unless these steps aren't done in this order the fork bushings will wear unevenly.
How important are those orders? I just put my front tire on and tighten everything down. And now I've been riding on it for a month
@Mike Ames the sliders should be aligned correctly. The front end of a bike is a delicate mechanism. A Lot of stuff relies on stuff being set up correctly.
Incorrect front end setup can end up with tank slappers.
If it were my bike I'd fix it.
Ride safe mate!
Literally never done this and never had an issue.
Yo congratulations on 70k and this came perfect time I have to change the front tire for my project bike and thought you just threw it on there and hit the road. 😂
You can. If you feel something weird, then try this. It’s not as serious as before, these bikes are engineered pretty awesome these days
I dnt own a bike but nice to know.
Mambo Jambo shit.
If you do all that 3 times you become a vampire. 🤣🤣
I align the tires on the rims. Debead the tires 5 times, align the shifter to the break lever so both levers are equal hieght to the floor.
You are supposed to tighten the pich bolts opposite the nut just to torque the nut. Then loosen the pinch bolts again. Then have someone compress the forks while holding the brake, while you torque the pinch bolts. This process is to make sure the fork tubes are perfectly aligned, otherwise you will have undue wear and damage to your fork internals. Not really sure what you are "aligning" with calipers, because the pistons will center themselves to the rotors.
This is valid for pretty much any motorcycle or dirt bike! Good stuff man🤙🏻
Someone's been watching Dave Moss 😉👌
He set me up in 2007 when i was club racing 🤫
@Adobo Moto he's my go to, for straight talking no shit advice!
Never seen it done like this before. I tighten in the same order just didn't lower the front to the ground, bounce the front end then raise again before torque the caliper bolts. I think that's what I saw?
Not sure if it works on motorcycles or just dirt bikes but you can spin the wheel than slam the breaks to align it without taking it off the stand
I’ve never done this with my ninja zx6r and I’ve never had a problem
Huh, I never noticed a difference not doing this HOWEVER I was curious if there was an alignment. I'll do this next time the front comes off
You’re probably fine then. I don’t do this all the time either lmao
Wait I saw this exact bike at Utah Autorama yesterday
You have to do this no matter what tire you remove, it's just a different series of steps
If the correct torque settings are used itnshould be in alignment... the bearings and spacers set the alignment not the pinchbolts. If you are adjusting the forks I would say the step of lowering the bike and compressing can help but not for a wheel removal. Also the discs are floating usually the caliper is floating you have no alignment on a caliper for that reason so it all seems a lot of work for nothing tbh.
Yet 6 of my bikes dont have a empty spot on the other side. Just a solid bolt
Totally not necessary to loosen the left side pinch bolts. Also, one more point to mention. Don’t over tighten your caliper bolts. Only 25ftbs
My caliper bolts are not 25 foot pounds. They are 33 foot pounds. Arbitrarily throwing out torque specs for one bike doesn’t help anybody with a different bike. They’re all going to be different.
@@thagingerninjer5391 you got the point, not to over tighten. Measure twice, cut once? Please, nobody is going to use my specs for their bike. Are they stupid? Did I mention a specific bike. I’m sorry I didn’t bring my crayon’s
That’s a really cute story, cupcake.
@@thagingerninjer5391 I’m sorry, I’m out of the dating scene. But thank you for the compliment. 👍
That’s fine. I’ll settle for your mom.
What exactly did compressing the front forks do?? I’m very curious!!
Never in my riding years have i done that when changing my front tyre, absolutely do not need to do that! 😂
Man, you using a torque wrench was satisfying ASF 👍
Yeah i love the click. You get it, i can tell
Too bad he has no idea what he is doing with it haha
Love to see him do it wrong, the pinch bolts on the side without the nut need to be loose when compressing the fork so the left fork tube can move freely on the spindle and align itself.
That will be useful if I ever touch a motorcycle
Thanks! Now I know how to take my neighbor's bike
Would you follow essentially the same process for a bike with only one caliper like my R3??
Not necessarily the way it's done, but if you like it that way, enjoy.
It says in the gsxr manual to do the fork alignment, but not the caliper alignment.
lesson to anyone watching this who wants a bike he's doing a major service job himself, let that sink in it's in his driveway he's doing it cuz all garage suc
Nice to know
Just like a downhill mountain bike or dirt bike
That's why I just take it to the mechanic
Aprilia love. 🤘
Would this apply to BMW k1200r?. As it doesn't have same front fork system as regular bikes,
Do you ride or is it too cold ❄
spin the wheel and hit the brake. it will fix any binding
Same thing applys to dirtbikes too
before you even try to lift the front of the bike up, make sure that you have a proper jack like the one he is using in this video. don’t try to get a normal hydraulic/scissor jack for cars and put it underneath the engine/oil pan. your bike will be very unstable and it may fall over twice and break your fairings and mirrors.
that happened to me.
Why would you want to compress the front caliper before tightening the bracket?? Again, to satisfy my curiosity??
Page 6-39 yamaha r6 manual. “To align it with the end of the wheel axle”
Hey chris fix, oh wrong video.
Same for dirtbikes, but nobody does it… then they complain about stiff forks.
Any bike. My 250, my 450, my Harleys. You can feel a front end that isn't aligned right regardless of kind of bike.
What about torquing the punch bolts?
My dumb ass car brain thought, you have to readjust toe.
Yepp, that's me... 🙃
Did you get those gloves used from a gixxer rider?
I drop it off the stand a few times so I don’t have to try to compress with my body weight/strength ✌🏻
You really don't have to align calipers. No, you really don't.
Does this apply to dirt bikes also? I've been riding dirt for 38yrs, got my boys riding and we always work on our own bikes and I never heard about doing this.