This was amazing, great video. I remember watching a fellow college student going to the same process to edit some presentation. Except they were using all hi8 equipment. Canon l2’s. They even had an amiga hooked up with toaster and flyer. So much equipment, I was a photographer, knew very little about video. In fact I owned a jvc vhs-c that I used from time to time. Everything changed for me when I bought a Apple G4 in late 99. No more dark room. I would soup up my film scan it, edit save to zip and off to Buffalo. There was a pro place that did chemistry prints from digital files. On video, I started digitizing everything with a Sony box that converted analog to dv then FireWire into the G4. Let me just conclude by saying those were exciting times, they were expensive times. I ran up over 20k in debt, film cameras (35mm to medium format) computer equipment and video. I was a professional hobbyists who did paid gigs just to afford my maniacal purchases. I loved the 90’s and y2k.
My first homebrew video edit system was not cheap either. @ 1996/97 It consisted of a Dell half-height tower computer with an Adaptec firewire card, ATTO SCSI card, and an 8 gig SCSI drive. All total I think I spent @ $5,500 US dollars. Oh and my Sony VX-1000 set me back another $3,000 US dollars. To be able able to edit video in my apartment was such an amazing, but expensive, concept at the time. Going back a bit further in time to 1985. My first camcorder was a Sony CCD-V8. The only way I could edit at the time was by using my family's VHS VCR and using the record/pause edit method. Then a friend came along with his Sony CCD-V8AF camcorder and he had a Sony RM-E100 edit controller. We set up the cameras together on my bedroom floor, hooked up the edit controller, and the next thing you know we were editing video. It was so cool to be cutting video at my house. The idea was short-lived, however. My friend moved away with his gear and I couldn't afford another camera plus the edit controller. I had to wait another ten-plus years before my dream became a reality. :)
Your standard headphone jack will have three internal connections, a signal left, signal right, and ground. If you ever see TRS on a jack, that’s what it stands for - tip ring and sleeve. Most 1/8” mic inputs are unbalanced, or just two connections - tip and sleeve. In theory, I would expect an adapter that splits off the balanced TRS headphone jack into two unbalanced 1/8” plugs would allow you to plug one VCR directly into another. If you are getting a hum, buzz, or low signal, that can happen from an improper connection from an unbalanced to balanced output. It sounds like you solve the problem with your Mackie mixer!
As a professional video editor, i can say we have it way too easy nowadays, hell you can even edit HD video on your phone ive done it for television, insane how expensive, complicated and slow it used to be.
All of this had be thinking of the DroidEdit machine, which made use of Laserdiscs to make edits. While that made it easier in terms of precise editing points, the requirements to perform that was nuts. Not at least requiring 5-6 LaserDisc players playing the same material in CAV mode. All of that just to make smooth and precise edits. No wonder it flopped.
Thanks for showing this! One thing that would concern me with this is Quality Degradation. Editing it together creates a 2nd Generation Copy, the Recorder gets it's signal via Composite I guess? Being an analogue copy will definitely lead to quality losses. Not to mention that VHS isn't that great to begin with, if one had discarded or overwritten the original tapes back in the day, they'd only have a worse copy on hand to digitize nowadays. Nowadays with vhsdecode you can make literally perfect copies of the tapes condition, but if your source tape is mediocre to begin with because it's like the second or third generation copy, there's not you can fix there.
I think everyone is so used to seeing 4k footage with HDR that it’s hard to fathom video looking so mediocre. But, that’s how someone back in 1985 would’ve edited their footage composite video cables and all.
@@davesretrovideolab2709 Yeah definitely, without professional gear it would've been impossible to truly edit tape recordings losslessly. I'm just saying, we give in great times today where Storage is cheap and we can capture the Raw RF Signals of a VHS Tape to make true Backups. Same with DVDs, it's easy to store the original DVD MPEG2 Files as Remuxes, Storage is plenty cheap. It's just a shame that if you were editing videos like this back then and discarded the original raw tape, you'd be sitting here today with an inferior copy quality-wise. And that's a real shame! Digital Video Editing is definitely a real luxury.
back in the day I would have used a docking slid for both of the machines.the docking slides have av out and av in. I no longer have my setup because of a apartment fire caused by bad wiring. I would love to get that canon video setup.
Found an old editing desk console in my friends old building the other day and thought oh THIS was editing. Im so used to Sony Vegas 😂. I also watched a 1991 tape just tonight. sports illustrated greatest highlights of the Super Bowl, one of my all time Favorite VHS movies ever, and first of all, how they managed to get high quality sound and Film masters from superbowl 4 or even 1 in the late sixties is super rad, and then edit that all from I’m guessing scans? To VHS tape in the late 80s to publish that video in 1991 is a treat to me. Now it kinda makes sense.
I totally forgot what old school editing was like until I worked on this video. We’re so used to non-linear editing that having to think through shot after shot was a new, but old concept. I will never forgot editing with a friend’s Sony CCDV8AF and my CCDV8 on the floor of my bedroom when I was a 16. My friend had the RME100 edit controller so we could actually make proper edits with the two camcorders. We were in such amazement that editing from home was now possible with just two camcorders and an edit controller. We didn’t need separate decks, etc.
Wow amazing gear. Thank you for getting it and showing it. It's hard to imagine that once someone wanted to produce something like this and someone wanted to have it.
The Panasonic PV-460D camcorder really surprised me with its image quality. Even in the darker areas, I could see some definition. It may be my go-to camera for filming old-school SD material.
Question: Why do you keep having to go back and mess with / review with the record deck for each edit? Can't you just keep stacking up the edits on the record deck and trust that it will place them one after the next without any drops in between?
Yes, I could’ve simply just kept dropping in one clip after the other and not cared how the edit looked. That being said, if I had a flash frame or missed part of a play, I would’ve been annoyed with how that looked.
@@davesretrovideolab2709 I realized after I posted this that these decks don’t really have a way to “mark” the in and out points you’re dubbing to the record deck, so you going back and lining up your out point on the record deck manually for each clip makes sense now.
Back in the day I used a clock with a second hand videoed it and could use the footage to determine the inaccuracy. I have a Panasonic edit controller which has a built in notepad for keeping track on the tape counters. Remember the videonics thumbs up. Then we got timecode. The audio would need to be attenuated to reduce the level
It was the setup I wanted when I was a kid, but my family couldn’t afford. Thanks to eBay, it became a reality 38 years later and a heck of a lot less expensive than in 1986.
I've wanted to produce this episode for so long, but I wanted to make sure I did it properly. There is so much to demonstrate that I had to wait until the time was right to film this.
Love the chance to see how things were done back in the day
Old school video editing fun!
This was amazing, great video.
I remember watching a fellow college student going to the same process to edit some presentation. Except they were using all hi8 equipment. Canon l2’s. They even had an amiga hooked up with toaster and flyer.
So much equipment, I was a photographer, knew very little about video. In fact I owned a jvc vhs-c that I used from time to time.
Everything changed for me when I bought a Apple G4 in late 99. No more dark room. I would soup up my film scan it, edit save to zip and off to Buffalo. There was a pro place that did chemistry prints from digital files.
On video, I started digitizing everything with a Sony box that converted analog to dv then FireWire into the G4.
Let me just conclude by saying those were exciting times, they were expensive times. I ran up over 20k in debt, film cameras (35mm to medium format) computer equipment and video. I was a professional hobbyists who did paid gigs just to afford my maniacal purchases.
I loved the 90’s and y2k.
My first homebrew video edit system was not cheap either. @ 1996/97 It consisted of a Dell half-height tower computer with an Adaptec firewire card, ATTO SCSI card, and an 8 gig SCSI drive. All total I think I spent @ $5,500 US dollars. Oh and my Sony VX-1000 set me back another $3,000 US dollars. To be able able to edit video in my apartment was such an amazing, but expensive, concept at the time.
Going back a bit further in time to 1985. My first camcorder was a Sony CCD-V8. The only way I could edit at the time was by using my family's VHS VCR and using the record/pause edit method. Then a friend came along with his Sony CCD-V8AF camcorder and he had a Sony RM-E100 edit controller. We set up the cameras together on my bedroom floor, hooked up the edit controller, and the next thing you know we were editing video. It was so cool to be cutting video at my house. The idea was short-lived, however. My friend moved away with his gear and I couldn't afford another camera plus the edit controller. I had to wait another ten-plus years before my dream became a reality. :)
Your standard headphone jack will have three internal connections, a signal left, signal right, and ground. If you ever see TRS on a jack, that’s what it stands for - tip ring and sleeve. Most 1/8” mic inputs are unbalanced, or just two connections - tip and sleeve. In theory, I would expect an adapter that splits off the balanced TRS headphone jack into two unbalanced 1/8” plugs would allow you to plug one VCR directly into another. If you are getting a hum, buzz, or low signal, that can happen from an improper connection from an unbalanced to balanced output. It sounds like you solve the problem with your Mackie mixer!
Thanks for the info! I knew I was on the right track, but I wasn't sure.
Just found the channel, really Enjoy the content!
Welcome aboard!
As a professional video editor, i can say we have it way too easy nowadays, hell you can even edit HD video on your phone ive done it for television, insane how expensive, complicated and slow it used to be.
I agree with you, though there is something to he said for having to do a paper edit first.
All of this had be thinking of the DroidEdit machine, which made use of Laserdiscs to make edits. While that made it easier in terms of precise editing points, the requirements to perform that was nuts. Not at least requiring 5-6 LaserDisc players playing the same material in CAV mode. All of that just to make smooth and precise edits. No wonder it flopped.
Thanks for showing this! One thing that would concern me with this is Quality Degradation. Editing it together creates a 2nd Generation Copy, the Recorder gets it's signal via Composite I guess? Being an analogue copy will definitely lead to quality losses. Not to mention that VHS isn't that great to begin with, if one had discarded or overwritten the original tapes back in the day, they'd only have a worse copy on hand to digitize nowadays.
Nowadays with vhsdecode you can make literally perfect copies of the tapes condition, but if your source tape is mediocre to begin with because it's like the second or third generation copy, there's not you can fix there.
I think everyone is so used to seeing 4k footage with HDR that it’s hard to fathom video looking so mediocre. But, that’s how someone back in 1985 would’ve edited their footage composite video cables and all.
@@davesretrovideolab2709 Yeah definitely, without professional gear it would've been impossible to truly edit tape recordings losslessly.
I'm just saying, we give in great times today where Storage is cheap and we can capture the Raw RF Signals of a VHS Tape to make true Backups. Same with DVDs, it's easy to store the original DVD MPEG2 Files as Remuxes, Storage is plenty cheap. It's just a shame that if you were editing videos like this back then and discarded the original raw tape, you'd be sitting here today with an inferior copy quality-wise. And that's a real shame! Digital Video Editing is definitely a real luxury.
back in the day I would have used a docking slid for both of the machines.the docking slides have av out and av in. I no longer have my setup because of a apartment fire caused by bad wiring. I would love to get that canon video setup.
The decks are showing their age for sure, but I really enjoyed editing old school linear style.
I really want to get a canon system like that.
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Edit controller would aggravate the crap outta me with no in/out point button not even an edit type button insert/assemble....is A/B roll an option
Amazing
Thanks
Do the vtrs and the edit control have backlit lcd menu display
Found an old editing desk console in my friends old building the other day and thought oh THIS was editing. Im so used to Sony Vegas 😂. I also watched a 1991 tape just tonight. sports illustrated greatest highlights of the Super Bowl, one of my all time
Favorite VHS movies ever, and first of all, how they managed to get high quality sound and Film masters from superbowl 4 or even 1 in the late sixties is super rad, and then edit that all from I’m guessing scans? To VHS tape in the late 80s to publish that video in 1991 is a treat to me. Now it kinda makes sense.
I totally forgot what old school editing was like until I worked on this video. We’re so used to non-linear editing that having to think through shot after shot was a new, but old concept. I will never forgot editing with a friend’s Sony CCDV8AF and my CCDV8 on the floor of my bedroom when I was a 16. My friend had the RME100 edit controller so we could actually make proper edits with the two camcorders. We were in such amazement that editing from home was now possible with just two camcorders and an edit controller. We didn’t need separate decks, etc.
Wow amazing gear. Thank you for getting it and showing it. It's hard to imagine that once someone wanted to produce something like this and someone wanted to have it.
This episode may have been the most complicated show to put together, but well worth the effort.
This video and channel as a whole deserve way more attention than this, this video is a gem. Thank you!
So much effort went into the making of that video. I’m so glad you liked it.
Great video. I wish I had a similar setup back in high school in the early 90s. Me and my buddies simply daisy chained our two 8mm cameras into a VCR.
This camera have awesome quality image 😮
The Panasonic PV-460D camcorder really surprised me with its image quality. Even in the darker areas, I could see some definition. It may be my go-to camera for filming old-school SD material.
Question: Why do you keep having to go back and mess with / review with the record deck for each edit? Can't you just keep stacking up the edits on the record deck and trust that it will place them one after the next without any drops in between?
Yes, I could’ve simply just kept dropping in one clip after the other and not cared how the edit looked. That being said, if I had a flash frame or missed part of a play, I would’ve been annoyed with how that looked.
@@davesretrovideolab2709 I realized after I posted this that these decks don’t really have a way to “mark” the in and out points you’re dubbing to the record deck, so you going back and lining up your out point on the record deck manually for each clip makes sense now.
Back in the day I used a clock with a second hand videoed it and could use the footage to determine the inaccuracy. I have a Panasonic edit controller which has a built in notepad for keeping track on the tape counters. Remember the videonics thumbs up. Then we got timecode. The audio would need to be attenuated to reduce the level
I certainly remember their Videonics thumbs up editor. That's going way back. I like your stopwatch idea. That is so practical. Thanks for watching!
Brings me back to childhood. Tapes, tapes everywhere!
It was the setup I wanted when I was a kid, but my family couldn’t afford. Thanks to eBay, it became a reality 38 years later and a heck of a lot less expensive than in 1986.
Amazing! I’ve always been interested in those:)
I've wanted to produce this episode for so long, but I wanted to make sure I did it properly. There is so much to demonstrate that I had to wait until the time was right to film this.