Why China sucks at team sports even with a population of 1.4B people
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- Why are the Chinese so bad at team sports?
Even with a population of 1.4B people, china is not ranked highly on any team sports
Athletes from China are usually good at solo sports. But, they struggle at team sports.
For example, China is great at Olympic sports like gymnastics, weightlifting, and diving. But, it doesn't do great when it comes to games like basketball, soccer, or baseball.
The Chinese Soccer Team failed to qualify for the World Cup in 2022, extending its absence to 20 years.
But other Asian countries like South Korea and Japan qualified, ranking at
24th and 28th in the world at that time
In 2023, the Chinese basketball team was knocked out of the FIBA Basketball World Cup. They lost three games and won only one match against Angola
As a result, they missed qualifying for the Paris 2024 Summer Olympics.
This disappointed many Chinese fans since they again have no men's squad to root for
Apart from soccer and basketball, China struggles with other team sports like baseball.
This is the final moment of the 2023 World Baseball Classic for China against Korea. Korea beat China 22 to 2.
In the end, Japan won their third title. They won after beating the defending champion United States 3-2 in the championship game.
Some of the other team sports China struggle with include like rugby, cricket, and hockey.
Even with a population of 1.4B, China does not perform well when it comes to the most popular team sports.
I believe that China fails to compete due to a culture focused on education, a lack of infrastructure, and a lack of passion and pride for these given sports.
Basically, athletes in China lack incentives to pursue sports careers, despite a huge pool of people to pick from and world-class athletes.
To be great at a sport, there has to be tradition and pride. This cannot created overnight.
This requires tremendous sacrifice at a national level and individual level most of these athletes are not going to make it.
Instead, the truth is China does not take team sports seriously like we do in the west. There is no althetic scholarships for student athletes nor are there hundreds of development teams and organizations helping these kids grow.
Instead, China mostly relies on the old model of scouting children who have nothing else going for themselves and feed them to a system that is built to chew you out.
Unlike solo sports that require repetition and the require genetics. There is no effective roadmap for finding the next Messi in China.
And to do so requires a national obsession for a sport. It also requires individual sacrifice and the right culture and system for kids to grow.
And to be honest, I would much rather see thousands of engineers being created in China versus 1 talented soccer, baseball, or basketball player.
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I mean, the Japanese and Koreans also value education and also have their fair share of cram schools to get into university.
Yes for sure, but not quite like the GaoKao. Also, having lived most of my life in Japan, you see everywhere baseball fields where small children play baseball in intense training camps. There is also a deeprooted passion and love for baseball, as even high school national championships get enormous attendance and TV coverage - kind of like March Madness for us. These are cultural elements that China does not have.
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@@williamanstey5933japanese are decent people who respect each other. China is a selfish shit show of a country. Its no surprise China sucks at working together. Dishonesty and screwing each over is part of life.
Every country has different preferences in sport. The sport china is good at, ur country might be poor in that.
@@IamHandsome4uwumao weak for football
I work in China as football coach with kids, I think one of their issues is that they are very individualistic. It is hard to fight against that and make them play for the team instead of for themselves.
Beside the sabotages by foreign coaches / trainers...
As part of U$A anti-CCP agenda .
I have to wonder if this is a second or third order effect of the decades of the one child policy? After all, the first team you are on is your family. Hard to be a team of one.
@@luddite4change449
Nah... PRC's Mens football were ascending in the 1980s; so did their Men's volleyball in the 1990s; and their Women's hockey & ice hockey in the 2K and '90s ...
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Good point, but hose players in the 80s and 90s were not born during the era of the one child policy, and even the players of the early 2000s were the first generation to reach adulthood. I'm wondering if this could be impact of a cumulative effect.
@@luddite4change449 it could be one factor, boys are treated like little prince, very spoiled, the girls not that much. But it is also because Chinese society is actually very individualistic and family centered, everybody outside the nuclear family is a stranger, and there are few to none empathy.
I visited a chinese school a few years ago and was kinda shocked at everything. They had stunning sports facilities with a massive badminton hall and a full size soccer pitch as well as basketball courts on the roof of the school. Bear in mind, this was downtown Beijing so it was all very impressive. Throughout the day they played lots of sports so calling out their lack of time for sports is just BS. However, following a student assigned to me throughout the day i really notized how different going to school in China is compared to Denmark where i'm from. There was absolutely NO team/group work or time for thinking or reflection for any of the students when they had classes. The teacher would just talk and write down on the chalkboard whilst students took notes. I observed math, english and some kind of writing class. It was all the same. I asked my student if it was normal and she said it was like that every day. From my small experience, i got a feeling that China are raising kids who are like robots and i think their society also reflects this in many ways. How can they do team sports if they have never been taught how to work together as a team?
No group cohesion, nobody can form a group to overthrow the government . Simple
I hate tribalism, and I don't even prefer China over other country. However, I don't think team/group work is a good thing before college. I was in China before high school and then studied in US since high school. I hated group project in US high school. It just doesn't really make sense. For simple things pre college, it is almost always better (for everyone) if the best student just do the group project alone. Only when there is a large and complex enough project, is team work useful. Team work in pre college US educational institutions, didn't really teach, at least, me any non-trivial thing about teamwork.
Also I don't even think Chinese are worse in team work compared to other countries. Making a decent complex beurocracy needs a lot of team work. The Chinses government is one of very few complex beurocracy that is okay at providing well being to its citizen. Most government with this level of authoritarianism failed miserably, and most well functioning government like those in western countries, don't have the complexity of chinese beurocracy.
My guess why China is bad at team sport, is that: China doesn't like fun, but try hard in developing sports in a non-fun and non-spontaneous way. China is good at sports that most people don't find as fun naturally or just won't train very hard in spontaneous way. For instance, China's women weightlift is good because most women don't naturally want to lift very hardcore. China is good at diving (jumping from high platform into water) because most people don't train it hardcore spnotaneously. China is good professional Gymnastics Shooting because people don't like to train them hardcore sponotaneously.
Sports like baseball, basketball, soccer, are just more fun to people by baseline. Countries like Japan and US developed industry from those sports from high school, college, to professional level. China, on the other hand, are making kids to study more instead of doing fun things. Chinese government centrally allocate resources to train some kids in a very specialized and hardcore way for them to win gold medels. This work well for sports that people don't enjoy doing, but it works badly in sports when other countries have kids doing fun sports and training sponteneously (and developping collegial industry over the fun sport).
"or time for thinking or reflection for any of the students when they had classes"
There might be some kernel of truth to this... but it is hard to tell. Chinese kids still think a lot... despite tighter schedule. Also having more play time doesn't really allow more time for reflection or thinking.
I do think Chinese kids do way less things they are passionate about. American kids would participate in robotic team that don't directly link to their scores. Doing those passion projects will teach a kids way more about programing, electronics, than they will ever learn in a typical class.
Chinese kids don't tend to participate in such "useless" extracurricular activities because only their standardized exam score matters.. and they are very tryhard in only doing things that are "useful". American kids do those extracurricular activities because they are less try hard, and that their extracurricular activities are somewhat valued in their college admission.
By the way, doing a project in robotics team do teach team work in a non-trivial way... it's because those projects are passion projects. They are not part of the school program where the goodness of the final product would be valued above all else.
@@bohanxu6125you said hate a lot
This seems wild to me.
So the students who need help or work better with groups get left behind.
Angolia ? Do you mean Angola ?
Was about to write this
He was talking about Asia so maybe he meant Mongolia
@@abushook8626no, look at 0:45..it’s the Angolan flag. He meant Angola.
No. He means Angolia, a tiny country found just north of Nambia 😐
@@VukaniMde Angola is in no way "tiny" And "Angolia" isnt how it's name is pronounced either if you speak portuguese or english
There is also a recent story about the dopping agency allowing 23 Chinese athletes who tested positive for steroids to compete at the last Olympics, and kept it secret
Every leading country has tainted history with roids.
@Watchwatch122 never seen a country with that high number lol record breaking
@@gw7120 if china and russia are getting caught, what makes you think the states, australia, gb aren't all in on it lol
@@Kaiweeks oh whataboutism, a modern plague that will never die.
@@Kaiweeksbecause they’re not caugt 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
It's also about priority. Team sports take much larger investment while still worth only same 1 gold Olympic medal. Priority is given to individual sports the
I know the same, about the German Democratic Republic!
Except that Xi is a big football fan, so this got really pushed.
That’s just wrong. Because the more money you put into the more you get from it too through sponsorships, players sales and shirt sales which is more than ‘1 gold Olympic medal’
But that can't be the explanation since as the video says, China has invested mammoth amounts of money into (men's) soccer but has had very little success.
@@chris.48 Shirt sales in communist country :))))
"I don't know anything about Angola, but Angola's in trouble"
ANGOLIA 💀💀💀
@@RespecTheLevYT what?
@@RespecTheLevYTsmall country of 35 million people 💀
@@RespecTheLevYT Agnolia. It's allied with Sordland and Lespia. They won a huge war in the 50's against Rumburg.
@@joao-batistaikr, it's like calling Peru small lmao.
My question is, why don't South Korea and Japan have the same problems with education hindering their sports development. Im not incredibly informed about the specifics but doesn't all 3 of those countries largely focus on education
I know culturally Japan does prioritize sports, especially baseball
I believe Japan specifically is a team sport powerhouse because of their culture. Japanese culture generally values excellence in any activity or discipline a person is involved in. Whether it be education, innovation, entertainment, or athletics
@@presseagainidareyou4704 very true plus cooperation and teamwork is a huge aspect of their culture. It might be why we have seen many Japanese weightlifters or (native born) Japanese boxers but they’re amazing at sports like baseball and soccer
Also Japan is starting to get really, really big about hockey
As a Chinese person myself, I would say that even though Chinese people *say* they are all about the team, company, family, etc., at the end of the day, they are all very cutthroat, and all about themselves. Japanese, on the other hand, really do put the collective efforts of the group first. No one gets individual accolades. Even someone like Ohtani praises his teammates, and downplays his own accomplishments.
There are two things that facilitated China’s lack of team mentality:
First, the One Child policy. China forcibly restricted parents to have only one child from 1978 to 2016. This meant the kid was raised to become the best, and teamwork mentality vanished. This has a disastrous impact in China’s team sport development.
Second, poor design of education system. Chinese education system is designed to restrict, not to be flexible like in South Korea and Japan, both are similar to China in term of harsh education. However, South Korea and Japan have been able to design their education curriculums to navigate and enable young people to embrace sports if they are not academically blessing, something China failed to do so.
I would still rather take a Chinese or Japanese applicant over a jeet anyday. Can’t trust those who don’t use toilets .
This is utter nonsense, anyone who has sibling would know this, they fight with each other than the stereotypical "team work"
@@obsidianstatuemost humans have to learn to share or coexist or compromise with their siblings one of the beautiful things of growing up. Also that fighting usually disappears when you move out. You also learn to cope with being their for family even when they make you mad or dislike them. Something useful in a team setting.
@@obsidianstatuealso the attention in china probably is really high if you’re raised to be the only child and succeed significantly… you don’t have the choice to be mediocre and that means constant single competition between other peers.
@@obsidianstatue Anyone who actually have siblings know that "fighting" is only the surface part of a sibling relationship. Sibling fights only strengthen family bonds. When things get serious and times get rough they fight the world for each other.
Example: Try telling your best friend that you want to date his sister and see how long your friendship lasts.
At one point China was actually decent in women's hockey and basketball, but IIRC these are the only team sports where China actually achieved any measure of international success...
China is quite strong in women's basketball now; they won silver at the most recent women's world cup
u missed women's volleyball. Anyway, Chinese's women team sports are generally quite competitive as compared to their men's counterpart
China did/do well in women team sports before other countries start applying their well-defined men's system to women. Football is a good example. China played very well in the 90s when other countries barely had women's football. When countries like Japan and England start sharing the resources they had in men's football to women, China just went downhill.
Chinese women in 3x3, ranks 1st and men ranks 4th. Its a very good ranking.
I understand that China has more hoops success in 3x3, but I never specified whether it was 3x3 or 5x5 basketball though. However, China tends to have more success in a sport if the sport flies under other countries' radars...
No sibling, no cousin leads to lack of family bond. Team sports are like families working together.
I’d say there is a deeper cultural reason related to the educational style that bleeds into attitudes around sports. Negative feedback might work in education and ends up producing kids who get all 100 questions right to avoid having to answer for the one or two wrong answers. In sports, you can’t take this approach with a goalkeeper, batter, or three point shooter and expect the team dynamic to stay strong.
I work in a Chinese school that focuses on sports, and I see talented footballers blame their teammates for not receiving a pass. Coaches lay into goalkeepers during the game. In Europe, the culture of team sports is more focused on relieving pressure from teammates so they can play more naturally, not looking to blame them. “You’d better not make a mistake” doesn’t work as well as “let’s play well” in team sports.
Sabotages as well...by foreign coaches / trainers.
Most glaring is Men's basketball...past and present. Even the Serbs are cajoled or coerced into becoming saboteurs.
Chinese excell in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
You're missing one, they are currently ranked among the top teams in Women Volleyball.
Women's volleyball (and to an extent, women's soccer/football, although it hasn't seen the same success as volleyball) seem to be the exception. Women's volleyball success has a deeply rooted culture and is considered a source of national pride across multiple generations.
Do you think maybe the Chinese culture is less cooperative, more back stabbby, more selfish than other cultures so individual sports do better than team sports?
You nailed it. He doesn’t want to think that about his ancestors - but it’s true. Chinese will cheat their own family/friends to get ahead.
Thats the same stereoyype against Chinese in South East Asia....they also avoid yeam sports and exclide other races..they believe foe example that only Chinese can play badmintoj but trends of badminton champions show many excellent badminton players from Europe, India and Indonesia.
I would have imagined the opposite. A lot of Chinese political decisions seem to press the individual for the benefit of the group.
@@rossfisher5543It’s not a general “group over individual” thing. The benefits always have to go to the one specific group.
i worked in business that deals a lot with foreigners, and me with my boss always teach our colleagues not to trust the "mainlander" chinese folks, they're good for short term profit but they WILL backstab or do something weird with your projects or contracts
One of the things missed for the American and European obsession with team sports is that many were initially supported out of the goal to train officers and military men. Soccer, Rugby, and American football all started as more primative games that were often structured more like capture the flag and could involve hundreds. And the more those three sports diverged was not to degrade their use as a training tool, but instead about limiting injury or teaching different skills. Many US president's and business leaders played team sports. And even the more obscure team sports like Polo and Lecross were originated in martial traditions.
Honestly, a nation's ability to perform at team sports is quite indicative of its sociological ability at collective action. It doesn't matter if you have billions of people and millions of "the best", if they're all brought up by society to always look after their own ass above all else, to fuck over everyone else along the way just to get ahead. Such sociological attitudes are antithetical to effective labor unions (one that's an independent social corporation, not part of capital or state), bottom up social reform, or having a competent sports team.
maybe cultural factors come in here.
Ain't China communist? They pride themselves on interdependence
Great comment 👍🏽
Your correlation between the capacity for collective action and affinity for team sports is nonsensical. My country, Brazil, produces some of the best sports teams in the world and our culture is hyperindividualistic. The USA is another example.
Countries with more collective-oriented thought aren't the best at mainstream team sports either (pick any south asian country and see). I honestly don't know what you're basing your correlation on.
@@arturhatwigpiper3894I think it's a combination of various factors. Brazil is one of the most passionate countries when it comes to sports, the infrastructure isn't great and society might be individualistic but the passion is there.
The U.S has the best sport infrastructure in the world with some of the best genetics in the world and the weirdest and most successful tbh sports culture.
China lacks pretty much everything.
“Angolia”
Doeu
@@fruitpunchsamurai8939 what
@@CTGReviews "It hurt (when he said that)" in portuguese
@@fruitpunchsamurai8939 oh
Guy kind of drops the ball at the end. Chinese kids are too busy studying? Not the strongest conclusion. That's like what the Chinese government would say.
Yeah, big lol the video was meant to explain a lack of high level team sports athletes and he just goes on about how apparentlery every kid in china is too busying wanting to be a doctor or something
I agree. I also don't think it's admirable that children are made to study almost all day and are given very little opportunity to pursue their passions (unless they are picked out of a lineup for being flexible or having long arms/optimal bone density lmao). I'm sure the diminishing returns on studying all day are massive, the human brain simply isn't equipped to learn in that manner. You have to have a culture in which kids are encouraged to 1) try new things, and 2) pursue the things they love and aim for excellence in those pursuits.
China sucks at everything but propaganda
@@PlaySA There are diminshng returns.
@@ThePasteansChannel But that's the reality. Chinese put education above sports. That's how they've been able to output 4.7 million STEM graduates while the US only has 437,302 STEM graduates per year.
Chinese women’s teams have traditionally been quite competitive - there was a film made in 2020 called Leap based on the women’s national volleyball team. The coach Lang Ping is very famous for coaching both the Chinese national team and the US National team. The national football team has a storied history too.
The author is a sexist.
I had a Chinese friend who was in the soccer training camp, he has a big passion for the game and his parents were Palace fan (most likely due to Fan Zhiyi). He said one of the problem he found in the state training camp was no one wanted to be there, lots of students were they because they don’t wanna study. The training are very static and using old format like teaching Fundamentals of the game just doesn’t work. But however when he trained with BSU, there’s a sense of light.
So no mention of the Chinese women's national volleyball team (five world cups, two world championships, and three Olympic titles), I guess it didn't fit your narrative. And have you ever thought that maybe due to the average height of Chinese people, there are not many NBA stars, as is the case for all other Asian nations?
lol your thought process is an american thing which is infact why they struggle at it(long arms do swimming, tall go play volleyball and BBall) is a stupid way to find talent. Europeans, Africans and South Americans understood the key to being good at a team sport first and foremost is understanding its fundamentals and growing a high understanding i.e IQ of the sport. Until China lets kids follow sports based on their natural instinct, love for it and a bit of luck they will continue to regress in team sport. America gets away with it cause they have a sizeable black gene pool in their population but in recent years as american sports reach international popularity they are losing a grip on it to countries like germany where both their black and white atheletes have a better understanding of bball fundamentals than americans who rely on sheer athleticism and individual brilliance(iso plays)
and the Chinese women's basketball team are current silver medallists at the world cup. This video focuses only on men's team sports and draws unsupported conclusions about China overall. And mentioning rugby, baseball and hockey is just nonsense since these sports are very new to China altogether
Wrong, the average is low but china has the most "tall" people in the world, they are 1.4 billion, they have alot of men over 2 meters.
@@lucaskellan4909 ah yes, you have a point there : )
I guess corruption is much less in women's sports as the money is not there.
Tho from what I've spoke to some chinese ppl, they are a bit frustrated by how bad they do in football. I see them wanting to have a more competitive football team.
At one point China’s women’s soccer team was one of the best in the world. They managed to draw with the US in 1999 before losing in penalties. The government funded them well and they were the first Women’s World Cup host. Now they can’t escape the group stage.
I've watched 🇯🇵, 🇰🇷 and 🇨🇳 play ⚽️ on the national level since 2018. They all have passionate fans so that's not really the issue. However, their approaches to the game noticeably differs from each other.
🇯🇵 can play an attractive, team-oriented brand of ⚽️. When they are at their best, they resemble 🇪🇸. They have very good, technical players and are very good at passing and making the correct runs off the ball. Both the men's and women's team typically play this way.
🇰🇷 generally doesn't play the attractive brand of ⚽️ that 🇯🇵 employs. Their style resembles 🇩🇪 or 🏴. Also, 🇰🇷 is not quite as technically gifted as 🇯🇵. Still, they have good players and tends to play well as a unit. They can be tough to beat.
🇨🇳, well...there's no real identity to their game. There's no system. At times it looks like the 11 players on the field are on several different wavelengths. That team chemistry is sorely lacking. Also, their players generally are not nearly as talented as 🇯🇵 or 🇰🇷. They tend to be average at best. 🇨🇳 needs to actually select a style of play that suits them and develop players in the mold of that style in the same manner that 🇯🇵 has done.
How could you make a video about China’s poor soccer performance without mentioning the corruption and Chen Xuyuan
Probably because sports in general and corruption go hand in hand, so it basically becomes a given. Plus the video is more about the society aspect.
This is an excellent video, minimal yapping and a good script, keep it up, I honestly didn't realize how few views it had because the quality was so high
Wow, thanks!
@@Notjimmymaio High level of individualism is also a problem why china might not be as good as other countries.
@@saadbinrehman8186 thats ironic since the us is highly individualistic but they always wins big 😂😂
@@Notjimmymaio
You skipped the sabotages by foreign coaches/trainers ...
Also forgetting the existence of sport academies ...
Chinese excelled in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
@@vijaz5559 the only teamsports the US kinda "dominate" are the sports they them self invented and have the only real league on their own soil ex; Basketball, hockey and baseball and american fotball
I mean China is Godly in Badminton, which if you count Thomas and Uber Cups, is a team sport.
There's always am exception to the rule
Well, Badminton are still played at single or pair at one time so its still very much 1v1 or 2v2 games.
China is lacking in sports where teamwork and coordination is needed. Games where you need to be aware what you teammates are doing, how individual players can fit into the whole system and how you can react as a unit in a run of play.
The only exception are Dragon Boat Racing, Water Polo and Volleyball and out of those 3, Dragon boat Racing is the only sports that they can completely dominate.
Every time I hear about badminton, I think of that time at the 2012 Olympics an Asian team trying to intentionally lose a match (to get easier matchups later) ran into ANOTHER country's team trying to intentionally lose a match AT THE SAME TIME.
The result was an absolute disaster, and I think every single player involved was disqualified.
Apparently China, South Korea and Indonesia were involved.
badminton isn't really a team sport though, like the pair barely has to coordinate to be effective
@@Sammich4839 Yea, I don't think anyone would seriously consider doubles tennis to be "team sports" in the same way that baseball is a team sport
I'm Japanese, but most Japanese students aged between 12 and 18 belong to school club activities. And I think it depends on the club, but many Japanese students are passionate about club activities, and many of them put club activities before their studies. In Japanese schools, if students are tired from club activities or lack of sleep, teachers will overlook them even if they are sleeping during class. And Japanese parents are very supportive of their children being involved in club activities. I don't know much about Chinese education, but your video makes me feel that it's very different from Japanese education and their education is much more stressful.
If you are japanese, then you surely know about your absolutely toxic sports club culture, specifically the history of the human rights violating baseball culture in middle schools-high schools. People have destroyed their bodies, given up their lives and tortured by japanese sports culture as well, so I don't think its fair to say that japanese education is better in that regard.
Teamwork isn't always about being a part of a team or club. Generally a good team has people sacrificing their own ambitions so others can look better.
Over the history of football (soccer) many players have been overlooked by spectators but anyone that has played with them know, they make everyone look better. It's hard to put into words because it's like air, you can't see but you feel it and when it's not there, well... everything dies
Chinese education views club activities as a distraction against studying.
I've noticed that most of the most populous countries don't excel in sports, you don't hear much that China, India or Indonesia have won a sports tournament or championship, smaller countries like Australia, the Netherlands, or Canada stand out much more in any sport, the only populated countries that really stand out in many sports are the USA, Brazil and Japan
You're talking about Team Sports ...
Try badminton, hockey , shooting , TT etc with them
China excels in many individual sports and India excels in cricket
What are you on about, India has won the hockey World Cup equivalent and is consistently ranked as the number one cricket team on the planet. Confidence and ignorance shouldn’t be mixed together
@@thomasgrabkowski8283India has been consistently improving in individual sports. It’s just that India doesn’t enforce inhumane training on kids for the sake of “national pride”
Which is not to say that the system isn’t an inefficient bureaucratic corrupt mess
Thank u for this. This is a really good assessment.. I haven't seen or heard they won on a team sport for a long time
Chinese excelled in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
Thanks
Fantastic video, mate! Luved the topic and your calm, yet entertaining approach of explaining. Hang in there, that was good!
Glad you enjoyed it!
If China is struggling then what is India? India perform 100 times worse across many sports and Olympics. Even in cricket they struggle to win world cups
India do not even try aleast china put money on the national sport teams
They have won 3 world cups. And they consistently rank 1 in different formats of cricket.
If you can make yourself feel better by comparing with others, rather than improving then go ahead. Most people in my area only focus on cricket and kabbadi, and we do good in both of them.
@@SRJ7798 you just named 1sport....even Australia shits all over India in many sports including cricket
@@Skybar23 Yeah, so? How is that a counter to my point. Australia is no Egypt, Sudan or even china. They are good at cricket, infact extremely good. Sometimes India win, sometimes Australia win amongst them. That's what happens when good teams play against each other. It's not as if some weaker team came and defeated them.
@@Skybar23 I just named one sport, because it's the sport which is most followed. I also follow Kabaddi, and we are pretty good at them. For other sports, like football or basketball, it's not widely followed or watched. I don't know what happens in those sports and I don't care.
Good analysis
Great video! Well put together, great info, and well edited!
This remix is incredible freal
I think a reason could be that team sports take a huge amount of effort to be good at (e.g. you need a lot of competitors, only some will actually make it) and they are very complex when it comes to cooperating and organising the sport. Also, you NEED a CULTURE of a certain team sport for it to be played! Like, people in Germany play football not because they are state sponsered programmes which tells them to do so, but because thats just what you do when you're a kid. From that pool you can always find the best.
Agree with the assessment that the issue is mainly cultural. In a sense, a boring culture which prioritises education over sports.
Japan and Korea still compete at a high level despite a highly education-centered culture and much smaller populations
Japan literally just beat Germany at the last world cup
@@symptomofsouls CC should do a showcase of japan in contrast of this
@@dinglshingle I think if China was more willing to let their players move to European clubs they would be much better off
Real Madrid and Inter Milan both tried to sign their NT captain Zhang Linpeng back when he was 19 but they demanded so much money for him they backed out
@@symptomofsouls have you ever seen a japanese weightlifter?
@@symptomofsouls didn't know of that. only person i know played in laliga was wu lei and the chinese are quite proud that he made it there. maybe we'll see more chinese talents in the far future since there is a huge fanbase for football in China. it's just not happening in this or the coming century
It's wierd cause solo sports, Olympics they are there fighting with Russia and US for the most medals but team sports... it's really bad for some reason.
Also the countries name 0:37 is Angola, and doesn't really have a small population it's almost Spains population. Ofc pales when comparing to China
Periphery vision I think. Ever walk down a road there and people don’t see you until you are nearly in front of them. That affects team sports where you are looking for subtle movements
well said. you hit a lot of good points!
Something i think worth mentioning on this topic (and kinda relates with what you said about culture and passion, as well as that repetitive methodology) is creativity.
Theres a book called Brave Dragons by Jim Yardley about when former NBA coach Bob Weiss went to coach in China and his experiences, and it shares some similar sentiments as this video. its also really really insightful while not taking itself too seriously or is overly critical, and has a lot of funny moments. its compares and contrasts a lot and also goes a lot into the history of the sport in China.
Bob Weiss did an interview about the book and it was right around the time of Linsanity. He was asked about Lin and said Lin would not have made it to the level he did if he grew up in China (or Taiwan for that matter) because the game requires a level of creativity, improvisation and cleverness in the moment and as well as audacity to just do. This kind of mentality is not something post Cultural Revolution China is receptive too. He also mentions that there's something to be said about the dynamics between coach/teacher/authority and the people they are responsible for developing in a Chinese cultural context.
Yao Ming is a once in a generation, brilliant talent/mind who was able to succeed at the highest level regardless of the conditions of his development.
0:38 wtf is angolia? 💀💀💀
It's Angola
A mythical country where mongolians and angolans coexist
i think the BIG thing here is everywhere else sports is about community and cultural identity. It does it in different ways but Japan, USA, France, Argnetina, and etc.. are all very different and some (japan) put just as much of a push in school but sports is a culture and identity in these places and they are not in China.
"unlike the west, chinese athletes usually emerge from the sports academy system" Newsflash but so does the rest of the world, America is unique in their system. Unless your concept of "the west" = USA than what you said makes no sense.
I believe he meant a government run academy system. Quite different from the ones in Europe for football/basketball
he meant government programs dedicated to intense sports programs, the USA doesn't have this at all.
You know that the US has sports academies too, right? Like, not-government-run(even the US Olympic team gets 0 government funding, they have to find their own money) sports academies? Like IMG Academy, they aren't exactly a secret.
Its about medal count at the Olympics & Asian Games.
A team sports medal is 1 medal. Diving, Swimming, Badminton, Gymnastics, Track, Speedskating all can win multiple medals at a single games.
Good job!
Its even worse when you consider theres a name for Korea vs China Soccer called Konghanzheng also known as the fear of korean soccer
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Angola (assuming that's what you meant by "Angolia") is not a small country...
There is no single correct body type in football.
There are a lot of factors but the system is the most important in my opinion. Before their unification, East Germany won way more Olympic individual medals than West Germany. But West Germany was way better at soccer than East Germany. They are the exact same people and yet you see a big difference in results in a short period of time.
Why put subtitles that can’t be turned off? Annoying.
Wait... 22-2? Goddamn, I've never been a proponent for mercy rules in the pros, but when a baseball team is putting up a football score, I can make an exception.
Angola is so small you said it wrong..
National and local love for sports, and willingness to pay is crucial. It will make the finance flowing. Look how many people attend ncaa games in the us
1:27 Also these sports are olympic sports, theyre a totally different beast in prestige. But curiously, in brazil when Seleção plays on the olympics is like "wait, theres football there???" Which is followed by "who cares is more football". I think it's because is not really something people associate with olympics, it's overshadowed by the other sports and especially dont make the noise of a Cup (people are like "cool medal... where's my hexa?!"). Volleyball on the other hand is the opposite, people really follow on the olympics but dont follow during World Cup.
That's my impression nation wise but locality might skew your perception since brazil is insanely diverse (like, some people might want to crucify me for saying that about olympic football) and internet changed the way we interact with each other and those events.
I mean bonus sports are always good, Same reasin why i watched the U16 hockey game in Helsinki.
As far as football is concerned people do a Google Maps view of China please and tell me how many fields that you see set aside for field sports such as football in its vast rural areas? Plots that are not used for hedgerows or tree line wind breaks are exclusively used as fields! Period.
One thing that China could do to up it's team sports participation, is have it effect scholarships and Uni- access, Japan and Korea are heavily education focused, and still good at team sports.
Soccer was a ghost sport in the US for 50 years until the NASL was created in the 70's and players like Pele, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, Gerd Müller, Johan Cruyff, etc inspired Americans. Then you throw in the 94 World Cup and the success of the Women's team. Translation to 2024 and the US has players playing for some of the biggest clubs in the world. America has now 4th generation soccer kids playing youth soccer. No Messi or Ronaldo caliber player yet, but progress has been made. It takes decades to build a sports culture. This shift happened in the US and Japan in the 80's. Japan also co hosted the World Cup in 2002. Both are now starting to see fruits of their labor. Maybe in 3 decades China will be a top 10 nation in the world. After all they have a leader who is investing billions into the sport, but as we often see in the sport itself it starts with culture. Maybe in 2038 it is China that host the World Cup that further inspires a generation leading to a young crop of stars by the 2050's.
Well another factor for soccer growth in the US is the large influx of immigrants from Latin American countries that are crazy about this sport in recent decades. China also doesn’t have that factor
@@thomasgrabkowski8283 but only 30% of soccer fans in the US are Latino. 70% are not. While a factor, it isn't like they make up the majority. I see more and more white and black kids playing soccer these days. My town has probably gotten less Latino since the days I was in high school, yet now every elementary school has a soccer field with kids playing on it. That didn't exist in the 90's when I was in school. There is no doubt that soccer interest has grown tremendously in the US. It is actually more popular than the NHL and arguably as popular as baseball even if its domestic league (MLS) has not caught on as much yet. MLS is still the 7th most attended league in the soccer world, despite many American soccer fans not caring much about it preferring Liga MX, EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A instead.
China has taken the steps to generate interest in Football/Soccer, its one of the sports it can do well since most Chinese are of similar physical traits to Koreans and Japanese who do qualify for the World Cup. If the real interest is generated and their system can yield results in decades. Add in some world class foreign coaches and advisors they can catch up.
That said there are some sports they won’t do well as their Asian counterparts like basketball no matter how much training and development they get.
There's a thing you didn't consider, and i would have loved to know your point of view: esports. League of legends chinese players are some of the best in the world, they're always highly competitive in international tournaments. So why teenagers are more likely to invest their time playing the game trying to be a pro player insted of a traditional sport like soccer of basketball?
State-driven athletics is trash, and the fact that Chinese kids aren't free to pursue their passions is sad, not admirable.
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Chinese excelled in Women's volleyball - basketball - softball - water polo - rugby - football - synchronized swimming - rowing & kayaking - sprint relay race ... also in 3x3 basketball along with the Men's
Is that why China became second in the Olympics by just one medal, smartass?
It is solid and gives results apart from that engineers are needed for a country's growth not some omegle or onlyfans celebrity like the west has in abundance.
This is the result of 'freedom' given to children.
Go say your crap where people of your ilk exist.Joker
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No wonder the west is going down the drain along with its vassals as people like yourself exist.
State driven system does quite well.
No one needs omegle, instagram and onlyfans celebrities which west has in abundance Joker.
No wonder the west is going down the drain along with its vassals as people like yourself exist.
State driven system does quite well.
They have slit small eyes
They have difficulty following instructions and watching for team signal like when to pass or to shoot that needs chemistry
You've taken a good deep look at general social culture and its connection to sports. But when it comes to soccer, you gotta remember the corruption. The top soccer academ(ies) choose their entrants based on connections and corruptions and not on skill. The tuition fee is too high as well. They'll never get someone hungry enough to train with no other distractions and priorities. They will never get a rags to riches story, even if they show early talent and skill.
When i was young i used to think they banned them from football due to yheir use of magical Kongfu
Maybe team sports require a level of spontaneity among teammates that such strict society doesn't allow, both culturally and socially because of ccp
There's just too much oversight on what kids do. Unstructured play is curbed for educational utility.
China does really well in 1 team sports, Dragonboat paddling. Canada & USA have tried to beat & even emulate them in multiple world competitions, but have come up short
Well when it comes to a big team sport with large athletes like basketball, I don’t imagine an Asian country to thrive
It's Angola Jimmy, not Angolia. Very unexpected mistake.
Hey you should talk about how India is a no show in most international sports
Good editing, but the way you explain your opinion on why this is the case seems to be presented as a fact.
They are very good at team esports games like League of Legends, if you count that.
This video has several basic factual errors such as calling Angola “angolia” and stating china put billions of dollars into soccer in 2025 instead of 2015 just to name a few
Went to the rugby 7’s qualifier in the US and was surprised to see China there. They got absolutely rolled by whoever they played, I can’t remember, and honestly should have been one of the exhibition college teams that played between games. It was kind of sad to watch knowing these guys just rode a plane for 13 hours to get stomped in public and go home.
if Latin America had a strong College and High School sport leagues and system likr the US, we would produce 3X times as many sport starts as we have today. We lack the budget unfortunately.
China PRC is also very good at Chess in both men’s and women’s. That requires memorization and no teamwork in general. India is too.
They pick people in they are kids because they are tall in basketball but no passion in sports at all
Interesting video and I agree it is not that important for China as a nation to be good at team sports. However, I grew up playing soccer and cricket as part of a team I have continued playing into my 40s because it gives me so much. Team sports where you work hard with your friends and become successful teaches you a lot about yourself and you as an individual must get the most out of yourself while also trying to have a positive impact on your team. You will have times when you have to perform under pressure, not give up during adversity, and when you have to put your team in front of yourself. I really don't know who I'd be today if it wasn't for team sports, while it is unimportant whether China wins the World Cup, it is a huge shame Chinese kids only prioritize school work (while trying to outperform their friends and classmates) and don't really have the chance to play sport competitively and win together with teammates who they can go on a journey with, bond and become friends for life.
Big time agree. It's not admirable that Chinese kids are made to study all day long, it's sad. It's really sad, actually. Children should be free to experiment, pursue their passions, and PLAY. I really don't think studying all day works anyways, there has to be diminishing returns on that. You need periods of freedom and play to allow lessons to truly sink in or else it just become rote memorization.
What are top Chinese pro athletes making? I think if the Chinese basketball league was paying out contracts like the NBA, you would have TONS of Chinese hoop players, but if it doesn't make the money, it doesn't make any sense to go all out for sports that dont pay big bucks.
NBA pays big bucks to anybody that makes it. If a Chinese guy was anywhere near the level to play in the NBA, the scouts would descend on him like vultures. Getting a Chinese guy on your roster would guarantee hundreds of millions of new fans and all the money that goes along with it. There's just no suitable ball players in China
@@rocinante4488 Theres no suitable ball players because there is no incentive to become an suitable ball player. Without supreme physical attributes (like Yao Ming), its nigh impossible to excel in china, I mean who you gonna compete against to get better?
@@snapperl people from all around the world play in American college league and G league and the NBA. All of these are incentives. There have been top guys from Serbia, Croatia, Argentina…none of the countries offer their professional players anywhere near as much as the US in terms of playing level or income, but the US is still an incentive for everyone
Talking about the word "teamwork", how about the esports scene? China's dominating the esports scene for years, they've won multiple championships on different esport games
Its Angola ..not Angolia jeez 🤦🏽♂️
India/Pakistan are similar too much focus on cricket mix with poverty and accessibility to facilities and passion for other sports but they’re getting better each year
0:38 Angolia lol Angola Big Bro
I heard that in China “ There can only be one” so hard to be a team of ones 😂
Lack of team spirit. Period
Man the school thing is an excuse lol. Japan and South Korea academics is rigorous too lol
Not the same thing. Koreans have more spare time, Japan has a stronger sports culture, and Chinese are utilitarian (short sighted).
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Did he just call Angola “Angolia”???
They are spreading their talent too thin across so many different sports.... Sounds crazy I know
they focus mainly on olympic events too much
my approach:
If you want to take part, in the Olympic Games, you have to had, all the Olympic sports, at least once competetly each, in your life so far!
As a Chinese, in my view, our team sports stucked into a big problem that we strongly want to see our teams become the top to show to the world. However, in the past we tried the fast way to use the strong men, such as former soldiers. Then it was the warmest time we can be the top of asia. As time going, we found that we were unable to foster the good athletes although some people may have massive talent. Our teams sports started late and even unable to foster the professional coach, judge, athletes ,and thd dietitian. Yao Ming is the best case for this, he was thin and weak in confrontation before he joined the NBA. You may think China has now been developing, but the sports go worse. It is the new big problem that our parents want us to spend more time in study. Our teenagers or adults are not like the former soldiers athletes. I am sure that Chinese will catch up with someday.
As a soccer fan, watching China fail over and over again is hilarious. But I agree, I think it is more important for a country to focus on education than sports. In the United States, many colleges are just sports franchises with a college hustle on the side. Its ridiculous.
I just realized this.
Uruguay is like the opposite of china in that matter. Small country, two world cups, constantly produces top level players (suarez, cavani, valverde, forlan)
Okay when said west you describe the United State. Europe and South America have completely different systems. In fact uses there own academy system. Just run by pro sports teams.
What is an "Angolia"?
yeah he messed up
Its a portugese speaking alternate universe Mongolia
@@dagmawiberhane5398 no he did not.
A doctor contribute more to society than an athelete.
Ehh
FIFA World Rankings and Angola
Also cricket is a important think
Angolia ?
The only thing you can argue about chinese team sports that they are good at is basketball because of how many chinese fans love it but with the literal rise of Japanese basketball Koreas new age, Restructure of Philippiness basketball And more west asian team rising like lebanon, i think there era of dominance of the chinese to this sports is over and also adding more team such as Australia and New Zealand to keep in asian Basketball